rangertell examiner field trials

[hipopp]

I have started this new thread to enable the space that will be needed for what will be a hot debate on this device(s). Going to a dance here and will rejoin this thread tomorrow morning or afternoon. regards ...hipopp

[Jim]

I have started this new thread to enable the space that will be needed for what will be a hot debate on this device(s). Going to a dance here and will rejoin this thread tomorrow morning or afternoon. regards ...hipopp

I have read some of these "hot debates" over the past several years. It is usually one person using multiple screen names claiming how "wonderful" this do-nothing device works.

Why would this thread be any different?

[Theseus]

Turn the calculator ON, or leave it OFF. Enter special numbers into the calculator or not.... The end result of using a RangerTell dowsing rod to locate treasure will yield the operator the exact same results as a bent coat-hanger, or just plain guessing.

No debate necessary. :cool:

[J_Player]

I have read some of these "hot debates" over the past several years. It is usually one person using multiple screen names claiming how "wonderful" this do-nothing device works.

Why would this thread be any different?The last RangerTell master debater who came around said he was the manufacturer.
He told me he would try to arrange a demonstration for me to see the TangerTell actually recover treasure.
But his RangerTell customers in my area would not respond to his emails, so there was no demonstration.

But things are different now. This debater has a witness.
We will read what he tells us about his chiropractor's observations.
This will certainly give credibility to the RangerTell. Right?

Best wishes,
J_P

[hipopp]

hello folks...allow me to introduce myself...I am a former Telecommunications Technician (retired early). I have studied four different Technologies the last being self taught in Computing with a successful business. Alas optical fibre technology escaped me, can't know everything.
I am not quite sure what delusional state I was in at the time of buying a Rangertell Examiner on eBay from people here in Australia but it was like buying the winning numbers for a lottery...yeah right as if anyone would give away a rangertell examiner if it REALLY worked. I mean I would first find all the Gold silver and treasure in the world before I sold a single unit to anyone. Why would I waste my time messing about with building and packaging and sending RT units to people if I had a truck load of treasure. I know it was greed that made me buy a RT unit. Greed and gold fever. Since purchasing the RT unit i have had a lot of fun recreating in our mountains and goldfields but alas the only gold the RT unit has actually found is a small half gram nuggett I bought on eBay. Even then the RT unit lost my precious half gram nuggett as well.
Before anyone buys one of these absolutely useless things please read the results of my field trials with the RT unit and the opinions of a Professional Chiropractor who uses muscle strength measurement in his treatment of patients. This info will be posted on this forum in the next week or so give or take a week. I get so darn busy with professional music lessons i don't feel like doing much else.
To those that were like me in the early days full of Hope Hope Hope and Denial....Give in...you are wasting your time. I felt like a fool at first and could not come to grips with the fact I handed over money for snake oil.
Time to look at things rationally...stay tuned for further information. p.s Carl you were always right.....kindest regards john. By the way I am hipopp............. john baryczka 82 patten street Sale Victoria Australia tel:0351442292

[Rangertell]

Sure, it sounds like an honest appraisal of the RT Examiner until you consider the following facts.

The user claimed he has spent 300 hours testing the Examiner yet he has not contacted us for support. Huh? Maybe his chiropractor friend felt sorry for him after he wore his shoes down to the nails, go figure. The truth is there is no muscle trick involved with the RT Examiner. We have mining companies using them daily and people finding targets daily. We have been on ebay and on the net for seven years and the only negatives are from people with faulty units. They either dropped them or left them in the rain etc etc..

This Hipopp first threatened us with exposure everywhere if we didn't refund his $650AUD after a couple of years of using the Examiner. We're sorry but the 7 day period is binding. :nono: No company ever gives a refund after years of a buyer using a product. We offered to replace the Examiner for him and even invited him for a personal demo..but no..'goodbye Rangertell' he threatens.

So when he posts his thin critique I hope you bear in mind he has not asked for help or followed the rules.:|

RT

[Theseus]

Sure, it sounds like an honest appraisal of the RT Examiner until you consider the following facts.

The user claimed he has spent 300 hours testing the Examiner yet he has not contacted us for support. Huh? Maybe his chiropractor friend felt sorry for him after he wore his shoes down to the nails, go figure. The truth is there is no muscle trick involved with the RT Examiner. We have mining companies using them daily and people finding targets daily. We have been on ebay and on the net for seven years and the only negatives are from people with faulty units. They either dropped them or left them in the rain etc etc..

This Hipopp first threatened us with exposure everywhere if we didn't refund his $650AUD after a couple of years of using the Examiner. We're sorry but the 7 day period is binding. :nono: No company ever gives a refund after years of a buyer using a product. We offered to replace the Examiner for him and even invited him for a personal demo..but no..'goodbye Rangertell' he threatens.

So when he posts his thin critique I hope you bear in mind he has not asked for help or followed the rules.:|

RT

The facts to consider are these:


Hipopp is stating truthfully his own experiences with the Examiner scam dowsing wand.
Hipopp, you are to be commended for coming forth with your honest evaluation.
Your evaluation is completely in line with all the other honest evaluations from disgruntled and disappointed RangerTell customers (suckers).
Vincent Blanes (RangerTell) indicating that his only negative comments were from those who damaged their units or purchased faulty units is a crock of bull$hit. Anyone who fairly tests the Examiner scam dowsing wand will always come to the same conclusions (the same as Hipopp).
The RangerTell Examiner is manufactured with but one single purpose in mind; and that is to swindle the gullible and technically-challenged out of their hard-earned cash through Willful Deception (FRAUD).
The RangerTell Examiner will find treasure EXACTLY ONCE! When Vincent Blanes deposits your check in his bank account. After that, it will yield the same results as a bent piece of wire and best guessing.

Those Are The Facts!

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Rangertell]

Sam the scam is still the biggest net ripoff on the planet. A walking con and collection of anti-long-range detection hearsay. Still reeling from the beating he took from a bent rod in his childhood. Still as straight as a rattler. Rave on! :lol:

[Theseus]

Sam the scam is still the biggest net ripoff on the planet. A walking con and collection of anti-long-range detection hearsay. Still reeling from the beating he took from a bent rod in his childhood. Still as straight as a rattler. Rave on! :lol:

:shrug: ...I have not a clue what you are talking about.

Please try to stick with the subject of this thread, rather than going out on a tangent involving some past personal vendetta that you are still harboring in your mind.

[hipopp]

good morning folks...I have just had a reply from rangertell re my claim that the RT is NO GOOD.. A SCAM. The usual bulldust about new frequencies or recalibration or replacement...do not believe a word they say. I will have them removed from eBay without doubt and maybe we can all have a Class Action to recover our money. Class actions are common in australia. One of my friends is a Politician and I know several other politicians because I published my own newspaper. I have spent 300 hours with this ridiculous device and have proved scientifically and practically that it is nothing more than a bit of wire with a calculator glued on top. The combinations of settings for the calculator must be in the order of a trillion trillion so they can keep feeding you tripe for the rest of your life. The calculator in reality is there so you can calculate how much money you have wasted on a device that has no practical or scientific basis at all. They rely on the gullibility of the purchaser. At no time have I read on any thread the clear unambiguous statement by rangertell that this device "can detect Gold at a distance". Before we go any further let us hear from them that the RT Examiner can locate and fing Gold and Gems, even Opal. One step at a time, we are waiting.

[hipopp]

And in answer to Rangertells personal criticisms...THE CUSTOMER IS ALWAYS RIGHT yer lying thieving mugs. First state unequivocally that the Rangertell can actually locate and find Gold.

[hipopp]

i have shares in approx 50 mining companies....send me a list of the companies that use one and i will contact them either directly or through one of my companies.

[hipopp]

and i see rangertell have been members since feb 2009 on this site...rubbish they have been contributors here for years (under other names obviously). I mean these people are sick...to perpetrate such a hoax on people and then continually argue the point...everybody is wrong but themselves...i believe this is the domain of lunatics. We have good Current Affairs programs here who are begging for stories. I am going to go on TV folks and you will get a copy of the 60 minutes program in the States too.

I say again, the Rangertell Examiner is a hoax a scam an outright Con. The people behind it are sickos to delude the people like they do.

Any positive responses to this device must provide telephone numbers and addresses and a copy of a drivers licence for i.d No other posts unless you provide that info.

Note the reverse psychology used by rangertell re...sam the scam etc etc doesn't make sense and it is not suposed to it is a powerful (confusing) bunch of nonsense. these guys are real sick.

[Dell Winders]

W.I.S.

The RangerTell Examiner is manufactured with but one single purpose in mind; and that is to swindle the gullible and technically-challenged out of their hard-earned cash through Willful Deception (FRAUD).

Theseus, which category do you place Hipopp in, Guillable, or technically challenged?

Hipopp, suggested that his own greed was the reason for purchasing a Rangertell. It sounds like Hipopp is admitting responsibility for his own mistake in purchase judgement. Dell

[osman]

The facts to consider are these:


Hipopp is stating truthfully his own experiences with the Examiner scam dowsing wand.
Hipopp, you are to be commended for coming forth with your honest evaluation.
Your evaluation is completely in line with all the other honest evaluations from disgruntled and disappointed RangerTell customers (suckers).
Vincent Blanes (RangerTell) indicating that his only negative comments were from those who damaged their units or purchased faulty units is a crock of bull$hit. Anyone who fairly tests the Examiner scam dowsing wand will always come to the same conclusions (the same as Hipopp).
The RangerTell Examiner is manufactured with but one single purpose in mind; and that is to swindle the gullible and technically-challenged out of their hard-earned cash through Willful Deception (FRAUD).
The RangerTell Examiner will find treasure EXACTLY ONCE! When Vincent Blanes deposits your check in his bank account. After that, it will yield the same results as a bent piece of wire and best guessing.
Those Are The Facts!


:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

hi Theseus,
goldbeam you, people omnitron manufacturer, I correct? know.

[Qiaozhi]

W.I.S.

Theseus, which category do you place Hipopp in, Guillable, or technically challenged?

Hipopp, suggested that his own greed was the reason for purchasing a Rangertell. It sounds like Hipopp is admitting responsibility for his own mistake in purchase judgement. Dell
I would place Hipopp in the "waking up to reality" category. :D

:cry: "WHAT DOESN'T WORK, CANNOT BE MADE TO WORK." :cry:

[osman]

[quote = hipopp, bu sitede Şubat 2009 tarihi 101.176] ve i rangertell görmek olabilirdi üye ... çöp onlar olabilirdi katılımcılar burada yıldır diğer adları (altında elbette). Ben bu insanlar hasta ... ve sonra sürekli noktası ... herkes ama kendileri yanlış ... ben bu Lunatics bir etki olduğuna inanıyorum iddia insanlar böyle bir aldatmaca kötü yapmak istememiştim. Kim öyküleri için yalvarıyor vardır Biz iyi Şu İşleri programları burada. Televizyonda millet gitmek için ve çok Devletleri'nde 60 dakika programın bir kopyasını alır gidiyorum.

Ben tekrar Rangertell Examiner bir aldatmaca salt Con bir aldatmaca olduğunu söylüyorlar. Arkasında insanlar gibi yaptıkları insanların kapatmayı Sickos vardır.

Telefon numaraları ve adres ve kimlik başka yazılar için bir sürücü belgesinin bir kopyasını sağlamalıdır, bu cihaz için herhangi bir olumlu tepkiler olmadıkça bilgi sağlar.

Ters psikoloji rangertell yeniden kullanılır ... hilekarlık vs vs ve mantıklı değildir onu gerekiyordu Sam Not güçlü (kafa karıştırıcı) saçmalık salkımı olduğunu. Bu çocuklar hasta gerçek. [/ quote]

hipoop hey, did you do 300 hours test.under a metal or other uses,did not respond?.

[osman]

Some people, at the same time incompetent, he can be my bad liar.

[osman]

[quote = Qiaozhi; 101.180] Ben "gerçeğe" kategorisinde uyanma yılında Hipopp yer olacaktır. :D


:cry: "NE DEĞİLDİR, CAN'T yapılacak İşleyişi ÇALIŞMA. " :cry:
[/ quote]


reason (for $ 650) a big lie.

[osman]

goldbeam, omnitron I've used for years.works to a point.Although in radio,come to work, you get a.to a lack thou, took ta, vilification,hipoop u both these issues, the authorities do wonder until such acceptance.can use for each tool more or less, have an ability.result is not sufficient for a single instrument.








As in many forums, I always have a negative approach.Well I ask, what would you recommend for you to find the remote.with which instrument, how much time did you land in the define call.no going to say something in general.pc at a desk, coffee, cigarettes, (preposterous, no, I guess, I do not think, stupid),
tools to work, very unfair criticism.why?????

[hipopp]

people keep playing the rangertell game...deflecting attention away from whether or not you can actually find Gold with the stupid thing...this is called playing the man and not the ball. How about we agree that anyone playing the man is an outright fool and therefore has no credibility at all on this website. I am still waiting for rangertell to state unambiguosly that you can actually find gold with the device. They will not and have never actually said you can find gold because in a legal sense they will have committed themselves and made themselves liable. I bought one of their devices out of curiosity because I get gold fever quite easily. I know and state here unambiguosly and categorically that the device is a scam as most intelligent people already know and Carl has himself tested and appraised. It is hard to admit to being a fool in believing they actually work so we have to give our friends here time to adjust to reality. Everyone remember their Christian values please. As expected this subject attracts a lot of emotional response. Still waiting for rangertell. Will contact the 60 minutes program next week. I offered to get my money back and just shut up and leave you people to your own fates but they refused. They also knew 12 months ago or more that I was doing an extensive evaluation of the silly thing and they were always kept informed so yes I want my money back after all this time thankyou.

[hipopp]

and osman the Turk who should be asleep (in Turkey) forgets his grammar when he want s to and perks it up when he wants to is rangertell in disguise. These people will stoop to the lowest form.

[osman]

people keep playing the rangertell game...deflecting attention away from whether or not you can actually find Gold with the stupid thing...this is called playing the man and not the ball. How about we agree that anyone playing the man is an outright fool and therefore has no credibility at all on this website. I am still waiting for rangertell to state unambiguosly that you can actually find gold with the device. They will not and have never actually said you can find gold because in a legal sense they will have committed themselves and made themselves liable. I bought one of their devices out of curiosity because I get gold fever quite easily. I know and state here unambiguosly and categorically that the device is a scam as most intelligent people already know and Carl has himself tested and appraised. It is hard to admit to being a fool in believing they actually work so we have to give our friends here time to adjust to reality. Everyone remember their Christian values please. As expected this subject attracts a lot of emotional response. Still waiting for rangertell. Will contact the 60 minutes program next week. I offered to get my money back and just shut up and leave you people to your own fates but they refused. They also knew 12 months ago or more that I was doing an extensive evaluation of the silly thing and they were always kept informed so yes I want my money back after all this time thankyou.




very urgent, a psychiatrist e, + To remove this issue from the head you need a 650$

[hipopp]

osman (rangertell) is a wanker playing the man so he has no credibility on this website right folks? won't mean much i suppose because rangertell will just get another disguise of which they have many. They also did their own appraisal of the device on another website which must be discredited. So are there any people out there in australia or the USA who would be prepared to go on the 60 minutes program to prove the RT examiner works? Will the rangertell people be prepared to find a "hidden" gold nuggett at 25 meters laying on top of the ground for the TV program?Put up or shut up. Now watch the frenzy of personal attacks to deflect attention away from whether the RT examiner actually works. Like children but there is a lot at stake here because they sell these useless things for big bucks. Nothing but nothing will stop me from having these fraudsters put in jail.

[Rangertell]

Mr Hipopp

1. Osman is not rangertell in disguise.

2. You're the only person on the planet that has asked for a refund years after the trial period. And that's over 1300 buyers.

Where is your head?

You can travel to see a demo so we can adjust your machine or take a replacement

OR

Send it to us for a replacement!!!

No other company I have struck has such a generous after-sales support system.

Where is your sense of perspective?

Admit it. You are pushing a barrow with another wheel inside it.

We have asked you for statistics on your testing and still nothing. :nono:

Google for rangertell and read the site. All the answers are there.


Tech Support

[hipopp]

i told you before no more needs to be said...the next thing in the order of
things will be an invitation for you to find a gold nuggett for the 60
minutes program. You are nothing but time wasters. you were told over 12 months ago i would be trialling the device and you were waiting for the
results. you now have the results it is a complete fake so i want my money back NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[osman]

osman (rangertell) is a wanker playing the man so he has no credibility on this website right folks? won't mean much i suppose because rangertell will just get another disguise of which they have many. They also did their own appraisal of the device on another website which must be discredited. So are there any people out there in australia or the USA who would be prepared to go on the 60 minutes program to prove the RT examiner works? Will the rangertell people be prepared to find a "hidden" gold nuggett at 25 meters laying on top of the ground for the TV program?Put up or shut up. Now watch the frenzy of personal attacks to deflect attention away from whether the RT examiner actually works. Like children but there is a lot at stake here because they sell these useless things for big bucks. Nothing but nothing will stop me from having these fraudsters put in jail.


-I 'm not a fake, I am a real person
-% /% Live experience
-Why I write,I ran very frustrated.
-no I do not like injustice.matter against whom

[Rangertell]

Hipopp

If you send us evidence that we would refund your money after an indefinite trial we will do so. I cannot find anything to suggest that the trial period was waived.

Tech Support

[hipopp]

more time wasting....tell us that your RT can definitely without fail detect gold at 25 meters...a hidden nuggett sitting on top of the ground at 25 meters. That is question 1. Question 2 is, are you willing to go on 60 minutes and prove the effectiveness of your RT examiner. Any serious business would jump at the chance of free nationwide publicity.

[Carl-NC]

The usual bulldust about new frequencies or recalibration or replacement...

Hmmm... that sounds familiar:

The main thing that needs to be said is that the report on Geotech re the Examiner refers to an experimental Examiner

As I recall that particular model was NOT representative of the Examiner by Ranger-Tell though it worked to the same quality levels as the others.

Also the wrong instructions were sent out with that particular model. The frequencies were wrong.

Same ol' song.

...and maybe we can all have a Class Action to recover our money.I'm convinced that a lawsuit for fraud would stop these people dead in their tracks. Class Action would be even better. But it's expensive, so you may need to find a lawyer who would take it on contingency.

Before we go any further let us hear from them that the RT Examiner can locate and fing Gold and Gems, even Opal.This is already established, from the RT web site:

All RT units will detect coins and jewellery as well as reefs, caches and any deposits of gold and precious metals and/or gemstones. They will also detect paper money.

Small items like coins and rings can be detected at tens of feet. Deeply buried objects will also be detectable tens to hundreds of feet.

Note the use of the word "detect".

W.I.S.
Theseus, which category do you place Hipopp in, Guillable, or technically challenged?

Enlightened.

Hipopp, suggested that his own greed was the reason for purchasing a Rangertell. It sounds like Hipopp is admitting responsibility for his own mistake in purchase judgement. DellPoor judgment does not excuse fraud. See Bernie Madoff for details.

osman (rangertell) is a wanker playing the man so he has no credibility on this website right folks?

Osman is not Mr. Blanes.

So are there any people out there in australia or the USA who would be prepared to go on the 60 minutes program to prove the RT examiner works? Will the rangertell people be prepared to find a "hidden" gold nuggett at 25 meters laying on top of the ground for the TV program?Put up or shut up.See if Mr. Blanes will agree to demonstrate his claims (see above) under a controlled test administered by DickSmith or the Australian Skeptics. I expect alibis. If he loses, you get a refund.

- Carl

[J_Player]

osman (rangertell) is a wanker playing the man so he has no credibility on this website right folks? won't mean much i suppose because rangertell will just get another disguise of which they have many. They also did their own appraisal of the device on another website which must be discredited. So are there any people out there in australia or the USA who would be prepared to go on the 60 minutes program to prove the RT examiner works? Will the rangertell people be prepared to find a "hidden" gold nuggett at 25 meters laying on top of the ground for the TV program?Put up or shut up. Now watch the frenzy of personal attacks to deflect attention away from whether the RT examiner actually works. Like children but there is a lot at stake here because they sell these useless things for big bucks. Nothing but nothing will stop me from having these fraudsters put in jail.Hi Hipopp,
I have no clue who osman is or why he suddenly appeared here and started making posts that are difficult to understand. Maybe his purpose is to confuse this thread.

But, about going on the 60 minutes program to prove the RT examiner works -- I would be happy to go on any TV program to demonstrate the RangerTell and see if it works. You may remember I have an open invitation for anyone who wants to demonstrate an LRL recovering treasure. If it works and I am impressed with the performance, I will probably buy one on the spot. I will also make a professional web page telling all about the demonstration and post videos with links to all the major treasure hunting forums including Geotech.

--- Yes, I am anxious to see any LRL demonstrated working live in front of me, or I will be happy to make the demonstration myself, using the manufacturer's instructions for recovering treasure.

We all remember RangerTell made forum posts saying he would arrange a demonstration for me to see a RangerTell recover treasure live:
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=86666&postcount=314
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=86666&postcount=315
He also sent me a series of PMs advising me of arrangements he was making to hold a demonstration of his RangerTell in my area. But after many weeks of waiting, The final PM from RangerTell said his customer in my area would not answer his emails (I have all these PMs saved, and can post them here if need be).

But what seems interesting to me is RangerTell spent a lot of time here debating, and said everything he could to make it seem like his products work just fine except for making an actual live demonstration. This raises a question in my mind about the local RangerTell customer who won't answer his emails...
I am wondering if he is another customer like you, who bought a RangerTell on ebay, and after playing with it for awhile, discovered he couldn't find anything with it.
Maybe he asked RangerTell if he could have his money back and was told no. I wonder if this is the reason he won't answer RangerTell's emails.

Actually my area is pretty big. I am willing to drive up to 200 miles in any direction to see a demonstration of a RangerTell recovering treasure. Anywhere in Southern California, past the Arizona or Nevada border, or even into northern Mexico as far as Ensenada or San Filipe, Baja California. But if nobody in this area is willing to demonstrate a RangerTell working. I would also be happy to demonstrate a RangerTell that is sent to me, provided the full manufacturers instructions are also sent, along with any calculator key codes needed to make it work really good.

P.S. Mr. RangerTell, any progress in locating a customer or factory rep in my area who can demonstrate the RangerTell recovering treasure?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Rangertell]

You seem to have this hangup about a Mr Blanes. No Mr Blanes owns Rangertell and you've been told literally hundreds of times. There is input from various people who don't publicize their assistance. I wouldn't say any were owners.:D

I can't see the difference between detect and find.

It will detect or find gold at 25 meters as you describe. Knowing you though you wouldn't even get that right. You wouldn't hold it unbiasedly enough. Hocus pocus machine...don't give it a chance. Bah..humbug!

No more time-wasting from you guys please. This is all old and tired ground. No point in reiteration of the the same well explained and quashed uninformed premises.

Why don't you and a mate go angling and see if the guy with Examiner doesn't bring back more fish. That way you won't annoy people with gold bs.:razz:

Tech Support

[Carl-NC]

Here are a couple of additional items of interest. First up is a long-running thread on Finders concerning the RT scam. Especially read the posts by "Treasure_Hunter" who has met Blanes. "nomanon" is, of course, Blanes.

http://www.finders.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?p=55643#55643

Second is yet another attempt by Blanes to attack me:

http://www.geotech1.9f.com

- Carl

[Rangertell]

Which is even more evidence that you cannot read.

Tech Support

[Rangertell]

Rangertell is engaged in high level mineral detection. We have found an area with the Examiners which has assayed at 40 gm ton zinc, copper, gold, silver etc and hundreds of gm copper in one spot. All things being equal we won't even need to sell the locators eventually. :)

Any talk of proving they work etc is definitely early days. Been there done that and 1300 users round the world are happy.

Come up for a demo and we'll see what is wrong with your unit. Your body in fact may be out. It needs to resonate at normal levels, approx 6.9Hz. If you have a problem it would not.

BTW, the owner is a Garry Brooker.

Just because you've used the Examiner and not found gold doesn't mean a thing. Most people have found very little using metal detectors of the beeping kind over decades , so what's the difference? :rolleyes:

That is all I wish to say re this.

PS: If J Player can travel to Phoenix there is a guy there that uses the Examiner.


Tech Support

[hipopp]

you said a number of companies are using your device...name one so i can contact them. A body does not resonate at 6 hertz...you would be stone dead. You continually set the discussion agenda and avoid questions. you have no Tech Support section if you have only sold 1300 devices you are a lone man band. So you have said in your email that you can definitely find gold at 25 meters. I will send you a letter for you to sign stating that fact and we will post that fact on this site and hold you legally liable to your claim. In the meantime tomorrow is Monday i will contact 60 minutes and you will be invited to prove the effectiveness of your device in due course. I will get busy down the shed bending bits of wire and painting them in fluoro colours to sell as technologically advanced micro locators based on the frenetic resonance principle of not so super conductors with a dash. At only eight hundred dollars should sell like hotcakes. Probably supply a small vial of gold dust with each device to keep the dream alive. You irritate me beyond belief. You insult my intelligence to the point i want to totally destroy you. Snake Oil salesman.

[hipopp]

finally rangertell have committed themselves on the principle with which the RT examiner works..."You have to hold it in an unbiased way" so that your subconscious can take over setting your imagination into gear to have the RT examiner lock into a target that you imagine MIGHT be gold or gems or ha ha ha ha ha even paper money.

BUY A COAT HANGER and put a right angle bend in it will be a lot cheaper. You have just lost every ounce of credibility with your non scientific mumbo jumbo. I see that over time you have done nothing but attack Carl personally avoiding scrutiny of your scam device.

Read my posts next week or so re results of testing this device....exactly as Rangertell has quoted....you have to be unbiased ha ha ha ...you have to be biased my friends and believe what you pointing at is a target. Then you spend the rest of your life digging up a mountainside and by then Rangertell will have spent your money. Takes longer than seven days to dig a mountain no wonder people cannot get their money back.

Note that they sell a model without the calculator..a budget model set exactly to within micro hertz of its optimal working parameters using components that have working tolerances of + or - 20 % ha ha ha ha

[Rangertell]

"If your body resonated at 6Hz you would be stone dead!!!" --Hipopp


What's this then? Just some crap from Harvard...?
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2001SPIE.4317..469B



No Tech Support section having sold more than half a million dollars worth of these instruments? Bah , Humbug!

I wouldn't give you the company names because you would ruin everything by being smart!


"If your body resonated at 6Hz you would be stone dead!!!" :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:


One of many. I can't find the exact article that tells you that it's around 7Hz but we have determined it as this.

http://www.rangertell.com/fieldfx.htm


Yes, you do have to hold it steadily not in a way that is symptomatic of skepticemia, where the fool holding it will not allow it to move freely. Any other phenomenon explain this burning hatred for long range detectors?:nono:




Tech Support

[hipopp]

thats what i meant...you absolutely disgust me with your gibberish...you guys are genuinely sick...like i said i have investments in approx 50 mining and exploration companies. As a shareholder i have a right to talk to them and ask anything i want. If one of your companies is not one of my companies i can simply get my company to phone your company and find out if they in actual fact own one of these devices let alone use it. You are desperate fraudsters caught with your hand on it. Unbiased holding hahahahahaha yer gotta tell the aerial to lock by hoping and wishing in some delusional transfixed state. 60 minutes next week boys.....judgement day has come...the hipopp

[Qiaozhi]

You seem to have this hangup about a Mr Blanes. No Mr Blanes owns Rangertell and you've been told literally hundreds of times. There is input from various people who don't publicize their assistance. I wouldn't say any were owners.:D

I can't see the difference between detect and find.

It will detect or find gold at 25 meters as you describe. Knowing you though you wouldn't even get that right. You wouldn't hold it unbiasedly enough. Hocus pocus machine...don't give it a chance. Bah..humbug!

No more time-wasting from you guys please. This is all old and tired ground. No point in reiteration of the the same well explained and quashed uninformed premises.

Why don't you and a mate go angling and see if the guy with Examiner doesn't bring back more fish. That way you won't annoy people with gold bs.:razz:

Tech Support

Which is even more evidence that you cannot read.

Tech Support
:shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:

Blimey! If I bought a detector from Whites, Garrett, Fisher, Tesoro, etc., and I received this type of response from their Technical Support team, I would be horrified.

:stars:

[J_Player]

PS: If J Player can travel to Phoenix there is a guy there that uses the Examiner.Hi Rangertell,
Sure, I can travel to Phoenix, but not right away. You can send me the information by PM and I will make arrangements as soon as I am free to go.

Best wishes,
J_P

[hipopp]

science says the res freq is either 5 or up to 10 hertz but rangertell know better and say it is 7.9 hahahahahaha. No wonder you need to recalibrate all the time (recalibrate every one you have sold) hahahahahaqhah oh diddly twot my rangerytell my rangertell thou knowest best.
Yep folks you have to hold it in an unbiased way and let your imagination take over hahahahahahahaahh i always thought that was called masturbation.

[Rangertell]

Phoenix could be okay.He hasn't used it for a while but he has found silver with it.

Tech Support

[Qiaozhi]

If you bought anything from anywhere you wouldn't get that response two years later. Asking for a refund...You wouldn't get a reply! Maybe something like this :barf:

Reservoir

Hunky dory??

Tech Support
As I said before "If I received this type of response from their Technical Support team, I would be horrified.".

You are just emphasizing the point. :nono:

[Rangertell]

J Player

I will get back to you.



Tech Support

[hipopp]

finally rangertell have committed themselves on the principle with which the RT examiner works..."You have to hold it in an unbiased way" so that your subconscious can take over setting your imagination into gear to have the RT examiner lock into a target that you imagine MIGHT be gold or gems or ha ha ha ha ha even paper money.

BUY A COAT HANGER and put a right angle bend in it will be a lot cheaper. You have just lost every ounce of credibility with your non scientific mumbo jumbo. I see that over time you have done nothing but attack Carl personally avoiding scrutiny of your scam device.

Read my posts next week or so re results of testing this device....exactly as Rangertell has quoted....you have to be unbiased ha ha ha ...you have to be biased my friends and believe what you pointing at is a target. Then you spend the rest of your life digging up a mountainside and by then Rangertell will have spent your money. Takes longer than seven days to dig a mountain no wonder people cannot get their money back.

[Rangertell]

RT did not say unbiased so as to concentrate anything but your sensibility in holding it. Sorry. If your logical arguments are anything like your hold then there is not much hope.


Tech Support
Hey, like me.. I'm new!

[hipopp]

Ohhhh you guys, the ranger tell doe's work, iv got one.
Ya just have to be in the right frame of mind when it becomes a part of your anatomy.

It works like this, open can of favorite beer, place rangertell in left or right hand, extend small antenna, turn calculator on and enter the numbers in the correct sequence, 5318008, turn screen upside down and grin, thrust hips back and forth while using available hand to gesture a passing truck driver to sound his horn, scull beer, hold parallel to the ground, scratch testicles, toss empty can, fart, swing rangertell left then right then left then right then repeat sequence a few more times, grin burp and keep your balance, open new can, walk a few steps crouch down and rest, toss previously opened can, light cigarette and wipe brow, look at calculator screen and grin once more, say the words MY BAD, chuckle, open new can, scull contents, disregard empty can, open new carn, look at cowcumator screen and frust hips, make horn sound, consume comtemps of newly opened cam, look at cowpototo scween, gwin, fow away empty fing, owpin neww con, enhale coptemp, fart, faw down in swow motion, wook ot elavotor scren, giggl umtill spew, loook at spew, oten new cem, get comteps of new cen im my mowf, path oot.......GOLD.
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[hipopp]

give me the name of an australian company that uses any one of your devices. In return you have my word that they will be contacted only indirectly through one of my mining/exploration company geologists. Your credibility is already gone now darken it to the pits...because no company uses one of your devices. They do not work .

[Rangertell]

If I told you that I'd have to kill you!

Many, many operatives do and don't tell the company. They cheat don't they!:D

If 1300 have been sold and accepted , surely you can see ( or google rangertell) there are countless people using this in the mining industry.:angry:

What irks us is the fact you did not contact us during your trials. In other words you may have been using a faulty unit. Two years is well past warranty and everything,..never mind refund. We are not a candy store run by a benevolent retard!! 8)

Leave it with me.

TS

[hipopp]

you do run a candy store because you have your hand in the lolly jar all the time and yes you are anti benevolent retards. Pathetic. And I see you are multi named on the australian Finders site as well and they despise you there. www.finders.com.au (http://www.finders.com.au) Judgement day is coming you picked on the wrong guy to hoodwink.

[hipopp]

no wonder they believe in their coat hangers effectiveness as a mineral detector. Just read the posts one after another...sounds like multiple personalities...an answer for everything but as if different people are submitting the posts. Now they would not be paying overtime rates to have someone working at 1135 pm here in australia. Can only assume the guy is a schizophrenic and a very clever one at that. would take a very sick person to perpetuate this hoaxing.
Anyway I have had enough. Seems like the rangertell debate has been going on for years with no satisfactory conclusion. Exposure on National television is the only answer. Glad he told me he has made half a million dollars out of the scam....lot of very disgruntled customers. Now need to find out where he lives in N.S.W so we can send a convoy and.....

[Theseus]

What irks us is the fact you did not contact us during your trials. In other words you may have been using a faulty unit.

TS

That's the same crock of bull$hit you always come up with... A Faulty Unit!! The Examiner Hipopp has is EXACTLY like all the other FAULTY units you've sold - because NONE of them can do what you claim; and there is NO FIX for it because there is no FIX for a FRAUD and a SCAM.

The only real fix is exactly what Hipopp is going to do... take steps to have you run out of business. Even better would be to have you tared and feathered and run out of town on a rail AFTER you've REFUNDED all the money you've stolen!

[hung]

It's impressive how the name Rangertell raises hairs in (pretend to be scientific) ''geoskepthics' who to date, could not even understand simple basic laws on why it possibly works.:lol:

Carl: Don't waste your time in this discussion. We all know what you
think you know about the device. Just say it 'does not work', but
please don''try to explain your scientific reasons for the hundredth
time. Save your own exposure. I'm sorry.

Hippop: Please post your 300 hour test report. These tests were actually
performed and there's a report about it as you promised, or was it
all 'propaganda'?

Whatever this discussion turns out, we all know the end. There will be no end.
The ones who know it works and why it works, such as I, will go on their lives normally as well as the others who think it does not.
This discussion generates lots of publicity in forums and might be a sucess someday on TV, but don't count on me to perpetuate this.
All I had to say about this subject I already did. Nothing else to add.

Regards.

[Theseus]

It's impressive how the name Rangertell raises hairs in (pretend to be scientific) ''geoskepthics' who to date, could not even understand simple basic laws on why it possibly works.:lol:

Not only do we fully understand how and why the RangerTell DOES NOT work, but we also understand why you try to defend the scam artist Vincent Blanes and his junk dowsing wand.

Birds (Scammers) of a Feather Flock Together!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Qiaozhi]

It's impressive how the name Rangertell raises hairs in (pretend to be scientific) ''geoskepthics' who to date, could not even understand simple basic laws on why it possibly works.:lol:

Carl: Don't waste your time in this discussion. We all know what you
think you know about the device. Just say it 'does not work', but
please don''try to explain your scientific reasons for the hundredth
time. Save your own exposure. I'm sorry.

Hippop: Please post your 300 hour test report. These tests were actually
performed and there's a report about it as you promised, or was it
all 'propaganda'?

Whatever this discussion turns out, we all know the end. There will be no end.
The ones who know it works and why it works, such as I, will go on their lives normally as well as the others who think it does not.
This discussion generates lots of publicity in forums and might be a sucess someday on TV, but don't count on me to perpetuate this.
All I had to say about this subject I already did. Nothing else to add.

Regards.
Is this another attempt at debunkering?
Hmmm... maybe not. :lol:

The only basic laws to understanding why the RT possibly works have nothing to do with physics. By "work" I can only assume that you are referring to its ability to discover treasure just once ... during the initial sale to another unsuspecting sucker. If you are instead referring to the detection of treasure in the field, then you are living in cloud cuckoo land. :lol:

[Rangertell]

Goodnite. You obviously didn't want any treasure or natural riches from Day 1. Sorry for bringing out the twisted side of you Mr Skeptics. Get professional help for your contradictory nature, pronto. Classic sour grapes because you are in a bind from accusing and will never see anything resembling a working LRL. You just wouldn't be there!!

Tech Support

[Theseus]

Goodnite. You obviously didn't want any treasure or natural riches from Day 1. Sorry for bringing out the twisted side of you Mr Skeptics. Get professional help for your contradictory nature, pronto. Classic sour grapes because you are in a bind from accusing and will never see anything resembling a working LRL. You just wouldn't be there!!

Tech Support

Adios Vincent Blanes; though I doubt we've heard the last from you.

A working LRL??? :???: What a laugh :lol:. Certainly a bent coat-hanger with a cheap calculator glued on top is not going to qualify as a working LRL. :lol:

The only professional help you will get is when the cops come knocking on your door, and haul you away in the wagon for perpetrating Fraud through Willful Deception. :nono: :nono: :nono:

[Qiaozhi]

Goodnite. You obviously didn't want any treasure or natural riches from Day 1. Sorry for bringing out the twisted side of you Mr Skeptics. Get professional help for your contradictory nature, pronto. Classic sour grapes because you are in a bind from accusing and will never see anything resembling a working LRL. You just wouldn't be there!!

Tech Support
Dear Vincent Blanes,

You need to fire your technical support team. Clearly they have no idea how to respond courteously to a paying customer.

[osman]

Hi Hipopp,
I have no clue who osman is or why he suddenly appeared here and started making posts that are difficult to understand. Maybe his purpose is to confuse this thread.

But, about going on the 60 minutes program to prove the RT examiner works -- I would be happy to go on any TV program to demonstrate the RangerTell and see if it works. You may remember I have an open invitation for anyone who wants to demonstrate an LRL recovering treasure. If it works and I am impressed with the performance, I will probably buy one on the spot. I will also make a professional web page telling all about the demonstration and post videos with links to all the major treasure hunting forums including Geotech.

--- Yes, I am anxious to see any LRL demonstrated working live in front of me, or I will be happy to make the demonstration myself, using the manufacturer's instructions for recovering treasure.

We all remember RangerTell made forum posts saying he would arrange a demonstration for me to see a RangerTell recover treasure live:
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=86666&postcount=314
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=86666&postcount=315
He also sent me a series of PMs advising me of arrangements he was making to hold a demonstration of his RangerTell in my area. But after many weeks of waiting, The final PM from RangerTell said his customer in my area would not answer his emails (I have all these PMs saved, and can post them here if need be).

But what seems interesting to me is RangerTell spent a lot of time here debating, and said everything he could to make it seem like his products work just fine except for making an actual live demonstration. This raises a question in my mind about the local RangerTell customer who won't answer his emails...
I am wondering if he is another customer like you, who bought a RangerTell on ebay, and after playing with it for awhile, discovered he couldn't find anything with it.
Maybe he asked RangerTell if he could have his money back and was told no. I wonder if this is the reason he won't answer RangerTell's emails.

Actually my area is pretty big. I am willing to drive up to 200 miles in any direction to see a demonstration of a RangerTell recovering treasure. Anywhere in Southern California, past the Arizona or Nevada border, or even into northern Mexico as far as Ensenada or San Filipe, Baja California. But if nobody in this area is willing to demonstrate a RangerTell working. I would also be happy to demonstrate a RangerTell that is sent to me, provided the full manufacturers instructions are also sent, along with any calculator key codes needed to make it work really good.

P.S. Mr. RangerTell, any progress in locating a customer or factory rep in my area who can demonstrate the RangerTell recovering treasure?

Best wishes,
J_P

Hİ J Player,

-osman real person
-My year-long, a useless toy, devices passed.
-I gave $ thousands of dollars to toys.
-For me the most appropriate setting, it worked.
-ranger tell, simple but very effective
-I now, the previous idle labor and time
-experienced hand% /% working tools to distinguish,
-As a user,I live, I am writing experience.
-I do not like injustice

[osman]

[quote = Theseus; 101.249] Adios Vincent Blanes; gerçi şüphe Sizden son duydum.

Bir çalışma LRL?? :???: What a laugh :lol:. Ucuz bir hesap üzerine yapıştırılmış ile Kesinlikle bir bent elbise askısı bir çalışma LRL olarak hak kazanmak için gitmiyor. :lol:

Sadece alacak yardımcı profesyonel zaman polisler için kapıya Come Knocking, ve vagon içinde üretmiş için uzak mesafe Dolandırıcılık kasten Aldatma yoluyla. :nono: :nono: :nono:[/ quote]



If you don't like something, change it; if you can't change it, change the way you think about it. -- Mary Engelbreit

[hipopp]

My year-long, a useless toy, devices passed.
-I gave $ thousands of dollars to toys.
-For me the most appropriate setting, it worked.
-ranger tell, simple but very effective
-I now, the previous idle labor and time
-experienced hand% /% working tools to distinguish,
-As a user,I live, I am writing experience.
-I do not like injustice


me too i do not like injustice that is why rangertell must be and will be shut down. Both of you support the validity of their device so tell us...how much gold have you found with it? 1 ounce 10 ounces or a bucket full maybe? You will be telling us you located gold at 3000 feet deep and are having a little trouble getting to it or joining your ethnic brothers in macedonia and telling us that the "Jinns" are stealing the gold before you can get to it. So how much have you found then ? How much money have you made out of finding Gold Gems Jewellry and hahahaha paper money?

[hipopp]

you sound like a very interesting chap osman..who are you and where are you that you speak in Turkish but can break out into perfect English when you want to. Osman OZman Ausman Vincent Blanes?

[osman]

My year-long, a useless toy, devices passed.
-I gave $ thousands of dollars to toys.
-For me the most appropriate setting, it worked.
-ranger tell, simple but very effective
-I now, the previous idle labor and time
-experienced hand% /% working tools to distinguish,
-As a user,I live, I am writing experience.
-I do not like injustice


me too i do not like injustice that is why rangertell must be and will be shut down. Both of you support the validity of their device so tell us...how much gold have you found with it? 1 ounce 10 ounces or a bucket full maybe? You will be telling us you located gold at 3000 feet deep and are having a little trouble getting to it or joining your ethnic brothers in macedonia and telling us that the "Jinns" are stealing the gold before you can get to it. So how much have you found then ? How much money have you made out of finding Gold Gems Jewellry and hahahaha paper money?


Whatever a man prays for, he prays for a miracle. Every prayer reduces itself to this: "Great God, grant that twice two be not four." -- Ivan TURGENEV

[osman]

[quote = hipopp; 101.265] size çok ilginç bir adam osman gibi ses .. kim olduğunuzu ve nerede size türk ama mükemmel İngilizce konuşan önüne istediğiniz patlak olabilir mi. Osman Özman Ausman Vincent Blanes? [/ Quote]


The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear. -- H. AGAR

[Rangertell]

In view of your persistence we have decided to buy back your used (1-2 years) Examiner for half-price. This is all we can offer you.

Tech Support

[osman]

War will never cease until babies begin to come into this world with larger cerebrums and smaller adrenal glands. -- H. L. MENCKEN

[osman]

[quote = hipopp; 101.265] size çok ilginç bir adam osman gibi ses .. kim olduğunuzu ve nerede size türk ama mükemmel İngilizce konuşan önüne istediğiniz patlak olabilir mi. Osman Özman Ausman Vincent Blanes? [/ Quote]

He went on like a broken record

[hipopp]

yeah nice english osman the Turk...you are absolutely right ..the truth will set you free so get real...however in your case i would suggest suicide for a release from yourself and your delusions..

[osman]

[quote = hipopp; 101.271] evet güzel ingilizce Osman Türk ... kesinlikle doğru gerçeği .. bunu olsun gerçek özgür kılacak ... davanızı ben Ancak kendinizi ve sanrılar bir sürümü için intihar öneriyorsun vardır .. [/ quote]

Sorry about your behalf.

[osman]

[quote = osman; 101.272] [quote = hipopp; 101,271] evet güzel ingilizce Osman Türk ... kesinlikle doğru gerçeği .. bunu olsun gerçek özgür kılacak ... davanızı ben Ancak kendinizi ve sanrılar bir sürümü için intihar öneriyorsun vardır .. [/ Quote]

Sizin adınıza üzgünüm. [/ Quote]


no it does not mean, I did copy and paste.

[osman]

[quote = osman; 101.273] [quote = osman; 101,272] [quote = hipopp; 101.271] evet güzel ingilizce Osman Türk ... kesinlikle doğru gerçeği .. bunu olsun gerçek özgür kılacak ... davanızı ben Ancak kendinizi ve sanrılar bir sürümü için intihar öneriyorsun vardır .. [/ Quote]

Sizin adınıza üzgünüm. [/ Quote]


no anlamına gelmez, ben kopyala yapıştır yaptım. [/ quote]



Allah does not forgive one committed suicide

[hipopp]

as previously mentioned I have arranged a meeting with my chiropractor here in Sale this friday who is willing to help uncover this scam rangertell device. He will be willing to testify in any court provided he can replicate my findings and conclusions which i am sure he can do. I have many reliable witnesses to the rangertell hoax who have assisted me and a wealth of documented evidence duly witnessed and signed. The documentary evidence is for a Court only at this stage on professional advice received a short time ago. I had never anticipated that rangertell would avoid refunding me for their hoax product so i apologise for saying I would release the results of all the tests to you the public. On the other hand Rangertell have so incriminated themselves on this and other sites that they have dug the deepest of holes for themselves to the point that their legal counsel will ask for an out of court settlement for what will include slander and defamation. I only need their I.p address they are using for the various sites. They sure left themselves wide open they must be very very ill people. This I can say...I can point the rangertell at a pair of old boots and "tell it there is spanish dubbloons sewn into the soles " and by jove the rangertell locks onto the boots. WOW. Next day I can point the rangertell at the old boots and after telling the aerial that the Jinns have been at work again and stolen the dubloons the aerial is not interessted in locking onto the target. What a heap of absolute drivel. Anyway must go now I have this mountain to dig up..I am at 4000 feet deep with another 3000 to go...got a signal from way down there somewhere.

[osman]

as previously mentioned I have arranged a meeting with my chiropractor here in Sale this friday who is willing to help uncover this scam rangertell device. He will be willing to testify in any court provided he can replicate my findings and conclusions which i am sure he can do. I have many reliable witnesses to the rangertell hoax who have assisted me and a wealth of documented evidence duly witnessed and signed. The documentary evidence is for a Court only at this stage on professional advice received a short time ago. I had never anticipated that rangertell would avoid refunding me for their hoax product so i apologise for saying I would release the results of all the tests to you the public. On the other hand Rangertell have so incriminated themselves on this and other sites that they have dug the deepest of holes for themselves to the point that their legal counsel will ask for an out of court settlement for what will include slander and defamation. I only need their I.p address they are using for the various sites. They sure left themselves wide open they must be very very ill people. This I can say...I can point the rangertell at a pair of old boots and "tell it there is spanish dubbloons sewn into the soles " and by jove the rangertell locks onto the boots. WOW. Next day I can point the rangertell at the old boots and after telling the aerial that the Jinns have been at work again and stolen the dubloons the aerial is not interessted in locking onto the target. What a heap of absolute drivel. Anyway must go now I have this mountain to dig up..I am at 4000 feet deep with another 3000 to go...got a signal from way down there somewhere.


He sees red whenever he loses the match
:lol:

[hipopp]

and your english is improving by the minute osman or should i say vincent.
Folks I worked with a guy like this for 28 years he was a Paranoid. Just barely civil enough to be able to hold down a job and the most irritating of characters so much so that you could not even feel sorry for him. This osman vincent blanes and his other pseudonyms is exactly the same. He is just not aware of how sick he really is but this wil not save his goose. He has not learnt a thing in all the years you have been his adversary. He is right and the all the rest of the world is wrong, yeah. This guy is real sick and you can tell by the twisted psychology he uses in his posts with the various names he uses, its a dead giveaway and shows a clearly unbalanced mind. his day is coming.

[Rangertell]

You know what the best course of action might be if you don't stop this Hipopp? Any suggestions?..and please be serious.

TS

[hipopp]

please report me to the police immediately and that is an order you Paranoid Psychopath.

[hipopp]

and your english is improving by the minute osman or should i say vincent.
Folks I worked with a guy like this for 28 years he was a Paranoid. Just barely civil enough to be able to hold down a job and the most irritating of characters so much so that you could not even feel sorry for him. This osman vincent blanes and his other pseudonyms is exactly the same. He is just not aware of how sick he really is but this wil not save his goose. He has not learnt a thing in all the years you have been his adversary. He is right and the all the rest of the world is wrong, yeah. This guy is real sick and you can tell by the twisted psychology he uses in his posts with the various names he uses, its a dead giveaway and shows a clearly unbalanced mind. his day is coming.

[hipopp]

as previously mentioned I have arranged a meeting with my chiropractor here in Sale this friday who is willing to help uncover this scam rangertell device. He will be willing to testify in any court provided he can replicate my findings and conclusions which i am sure he can do. I have many reliable witnesses to the rangertell hoax who have assisted me and a wealth of documented evidence duly witnessed and signed. The documentary evidence is for a Court only at this stage on professional advice received a short time ago. I had never anticipated that rangertell would avoid refunding me for their hoax product so i apologise for saying I would release the results of all the tests to you the public. On the other hand Rangertell have so incriminated themselves on this and other sites that they have dug the deepest of holes for themselves to the point that their legal counsel will ask for an out of court settlement for what will include slander and defamation. I only need their I.p address they are using for the various sites. They sure left themselves wide open they must be very very ill people. This I can say...I can point the rangertell at a pair of old boots and "tell it there is spanish dubbloons sewn into the soles " and by jove the rangertell locks onto the boots. WOW. Next day I can point the rangertell at the old boots and after telling the aerial that the Jinns have been at work again and stolen the dubloons the aerial is not interessted in locking onto the target. What a heap of absolute drivel. Anyway must go now I have this mountain to dig up..I am at 4000 feet deep with another 3000 to go...got a signal from way down there somewhere.

[hipopp]

the dead set giveaway for Paranoids is when they break out into personal slander and vitriole easily and without conscience but absolutely crack up in fits of insanity when someone gives them a little back in return. They are too sick to understand the gravity of the meaning of Courts and Slander and Defamation because they do not posess the normal amount of Human Empathy that well adjusted people posess. I know the condition only too well having worked side by side with one of these in the Public Service for 27 years. In the end i could predict every mood swing and psychotic episode in advance.
I am still waiting for my $650 to be deposited to my previously supplied bank account.

[Rangertell]

And what will you do if this occurs? We would like to see the unit. It may of course be in good nick. Would you say? :oh:

TS

[hipopp]

Please refer back to my original email re bank account and means of returning device by registered post. The refund is required only because I was working for you in field testing the device and a report was to be returned to you for inclusion on your website to assist with sales. The time lapse was mainly due to the effect of the bushfires in this district that prevented me from wanting to enter those areas at all. The results will be sent to you after the monies have been cleared in the account and the results of the cooperation with my Chiropractor are available. My Chiropractor friend is a fully professionally qualified competent person trained in muscle reflexology and other areas that drive your device.
regards.....

[Rangertell]

You will have to send again. Windows Live Mail is a pain in the butt.

TS

[Rangertell]

We have received legal advice not to engage in any further correspondence with you. Thank you.

Tech Support

[Theseus]

as previously mentioned I have arranged a meeting with my chiropractor here in Sale this friday who is willing to help uncover this scam rangertell device. He will be willing to testify in any court provided he can replicate my findings and conclusions which i am sure he can do. I have many reliable witnesses to the rangertell hoax who have assisted me and a wealth of documented evidence duly witnessed and signed. The documentary evidence is for a Court only at this stage on professional advice received a short time ago. I had never anticipated that rangertell would avoid refunding me for their hoax product so i apologise for saying I would release the results of all the tests to you the public. On the other hand Rangertell have so incriminated themselves on this and other sites that they have dug the deepest of holes for themselves to the point that their legal counsel will ask for an out of court settlement for what will include slander and defamation. I only need their I.p address they are using for the various sites. They sure left themselves wide open they must be very very ill people. This I can say...I can point the rangertell at a pair of old boots and "tell it there is spanish dubbloons sewn into the soles " and by jove the rangertell locks onto the boots. WOW. Next day I can point the rangertell at the old boots and after telling the aerial that the Jinns have been at work again and stolen the dubloons the aerial is not interessted in locking onto the target. What a heap of absolute drivel. Anyway must go now I have this mountain to dig up..I am at 4000 feet deep with another 3000 to go...got a signal from way down there somewhere.

You've just described exactly how any dowsing rod works when activated by the operator's ideomotor response.

All dowsing wands operate this way, including the scam RT Examiner. Essentially, it amounts to "best guessing". And, let's not forget; guessing will occasionally be correct. For instance if you take any dowsing rod (including the RT Examiner) into the midst of an already established gold-bearing area, and ask for it to point to gold, it will point to gold eventually. Of course standing in one spot and pointing your finger will yield the same results. :lol:

[Theseus]

We have received legal advice not to engage in any further correspondence with you. Thank you.

Tech Support

It appears you finally have Vincent's attention - but TOO LATE!

Do not let him off the hook, Hipopp. He needs to be stopped before he can rob anymore cash from other innocents.

[hipopp]

the matter is in abeyance for 24 hours...i am glad they sought legal advice at least now i know we are moving towards a legal judgement. I have 50,000 bucks in my contingency account and i reckon my solicitor is going to get the lot. However costs are usually paid by the loser so i should get my 50,000 back wouldn't you say folks? you are all my witnesses....my big card is my chiropractor...no magistrate or judge in the world would doubt the word of such a professional. Pity all you chaps are in the US where you can't touch them . Their solicitors advice is all a bluff of course just like all their other communications. We shall march forward in due course..Carl do not wipe out any threads to do with the RT as these are pure incrimination of them and their style and i will want a copy.I know about Law and all i will have to do is send their solicitor a copy of the threads here and finders and he will immediately want to settle out of court. He has nothing left to defend. If any other people have been slandered or threatened please let me know on my email address i gave earlier. The goose is cooked.

[hipopp]

by the way folks...don;t you just hate the way solicitors (lawyers) operate. They represent you alright and start charging the minute you open your mouth. But and I say but...they never tell you outright whether you can or cannot successfully defend a case...they just put you into a pipeline that empties out the other end with no idea of the outcome and a massive fee to them regardless of the outcome. How come they get away with it?

[osman]

Please refer back to my original email re bank account and means of returning device by registered post. The refund is required only because I was working for you in field testing the device and a report was to be returned to you for inclusion on your website to assist with sales. The time lapse was mainly due to the effect of the bushfires in this district that prevented me from wanting to enter those areas at all. The results will be sent to you after the monies have been cleared in the account and the results of the cooperation with my Chiropractor are available. My Chiropractor friend is a fully professionally qualified competent person trained in muscle reflexology and other areas that drive your device.
regards.....


hipoop tells

with my Chiropractor are available. My Chiropractor friend is a fully professionally qualified competent person trained in muscle reflexology and other areas that drive your device.
regards.....
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-Your Chiropractor.avi, what brand appliances, recommends
-In my store, different brands lrl, MFD, detector (Except for the new)
-may be helpful to your business
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-Prevention is better than cure
-warm milk at night, early hours
-un psikooğ doctor suggestions, exactly apply
-Sundays the church must.(confession)king master, your sins will be difficult to remove

[hung]

by the way folks...don;t you just hate the way solicitors (lawyers) operate. They represent you alright and start charging the minute you open your mouth. But and I say but...they never tell you outright whether you can or cannot successfully defend a case...they just put you into a pipeline that empties out the other end with no idea of the outcome and a massive fee to them regardless of the outcome. How come they get away with it?

I'm sorry, but I feel you will fail miserably in going on with all of this. The device works. If you care to read my report on the AC and DC variations in this forum you will know.

A technical investigation about it if a judge requires so might take a long time.
There are also several users who know it works.

Chances are you will waste a lot of money on this for nothing.
But go on... I will enjoy to 'see the skepthics faces' in the end.:D
I would not like to be in your skin.
Good luck.

[osman]

[quote = Theseus; 101.303] Sonunda Vincent dikkatini var mı görünüyor - fakat çok geç!

Kanca, Hipopp onu izin vermeyin. Önce o artık başka masum nakit soymak için Durdu gerekiyor. [/ Quote]



hey dell
your production, I've always used.
hey dell uncle, (Administrator carl-nc)(gold beam,omnitron) your test device
please, how the results, publish

[hipopp]

I can point the rangertell at a pair of old boots and "tell it there is spanish dubbloons sewn into the soles " and by jove the rangertell locks onto the boots. WOW. Next day I can point the rangertell at the old boots and after telling the aerial that the Jinns have been at work again and stolen the dubloons the aerial is not interested in locking onto the target. What a heap of absolute drivel.

hello hung...i see you are a true believer...best of luck in finding gold...how much have you found to date? I have found old boots, cardboard boxes, filled soiled nappies and the like. I mean this rangertell can find me anything i point it at. Never found me an australian Turk like osman before though better point my aerial at him and declare him found!
Had to mow the lawn the other day so took the rangertell to the shed pointed it at the lawnmower and found it. found the shed and the lawnmower all at the same time...this device is astounding. The missus put a gold nuggett in the lounge room for me to find and i spent days trying to find it ...cannot...it is still in the lounge room and she has forgotten where she put it after shifting it around so many times trying to make it easier for me. I mean man if i only knew exactly where it was i could point my aerial at it and find it. Might take it to church on sunday and point my aerial at it and find my church. Can't be too careful you are not in the right building you know.

[hipopp]

it is rather late here ...i sit up to keep an eye on Wall Street and Europe during the early hours sometimes.
How about telling us your secret ...how you find gold with your hoax rangertell device hung? I can put a nuggett on the floor two meters away from me and still not find it unless i tell the aerial to lock in. I suppose Rangertell will say it is the cockroaches and carpet mite i am standing on might be bellowing out upsetting the finely balanced resonant picolo frequecy of the arvamint that is interfering with the line of sight antennae on their heads and reflecting onto the chrome of the aerial which is endowed with natural oils and spices guaranteed to make your hair grow. Do you use this technique?

[hipopp]

"Should exist injustice and untruths towards working LRLs, I'll show up to debunker the big mouths"

me too if i ever find a working LRL i will show them up too the rotten debunkers. Let me know when you find a working LRL Hung.

I have asked rangertell for the name of a company or geologist who uses one...they can't tell me. Definite psychopaths these guys. As paranoid as the day is long.

[osman]

[quote = hipopp; 101.326]"Çalışan LRLs karşı haksızlık ve untruths mevcut halinde, büyük ağzı debunker kadar göstereceğiz"

me too If I Ever bir çalışma LRL i çok çürük debunkers onları gösterir bulabilirsiniz. Zaman bana çalışan bir LRL Hung bulmak bildirin.

Ben bir şirket veya bir jeolog olan kullanır ... beni söyleyemem adı için rangertell istediler. Kesin psikopatlar bu çocuklar. Gibi paranoyak olarak gün uzun. [/ Quote]


the real thing, science is

http://www.physicsclassroom.com/Class/sound/U11L4c.html

[hipopp]

so.........that is what i should have been doing....paying a chinaman or maybe a Turk to go in front of me hitting the nuggetts first to get them resonating so then i would pick them up with the Rangertell. Osman vincent you are full of such good ideas just need to get them out a bit better....your vocabulary is artrocious. Real Science? yeah in your head.

[hipopp]

what is it about these rangertell examiner LRL's folks when people simply refuse to believe they do not work as gold/treasure locators. They simply do not work yet the believers are so fixated they cannot accept this. I am on the net for half of each day with 50 or so mining companies putting in reports from time to time. All the mineral discoveries are made from aerial Imaging and rock chip samples at a cost of hundreds of thousands of dollars. No where is there ever a report that someone pulled out his LRL and discovered a mineralised patch, never. It takes months of collating samples and the hard yards are done on foot carrying rock chip samples for lab assaying over some pretty bad terrain. Sometimes it can take 3 to 5 years before a patch is determined to contain any significant mineral deposit. Yet Rangertell say their devices have found thousands of tons of Gold. What an outright lie...who in the hell would believe anything they say but the absolutely most gullible fools or the very sick and vulnerable.

[hipopp]

thank god that the rangertell people have finally been silenced...i have never dealt with people so sick in my life. No wonder he has no conscience selling his device to the unwary public. I am going to get a website called...xxxxxx........ for highlighting Scammers and he is the first to go on it. Will go ahead with the 60 minutes approach right now 3.30pm tuesday. Carl will you be prepared to be interviewed by the US 60 minutes team?

[Dell Winders]

Carl will you be prepared to be interviewed by the US 60 minutes team?
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :D :D :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[hipopp]

not sure what you meant by that Dell...
We have an Australian 60 minutes program here that the producers share with the USA 60 minutes. We get bits and pieces from the US 60 minutes team regularly.
If our 60 min people do a program here on the subject of the dud rangertell crowd then I am sure they will love to interview carl because he would know more than anyone else and his offer of $25000 is a good gimmick to present.
not only that but ebay now makes shopping international ,without borders, and i am sure most of the rangertell products would go overseas because websites here are full of anti RT examiner.
This is not a laughing matter for me anymore...don't you read the slanderous posts by vincent blanes and his phoney Tech Support section?

[J_Player]

not sure what you meant by that Dell...
We have an Australian 60 minutes program here that the producers share with the USA 60 minutes. We get bits and pieces from the US 60 minutes team regularly.
If our 60 min people do a program here on the subject of the dud rangertell crowd then I am sure they will love to interview carl because he would know more than anyone else and his offer of $25000 is a good gimmick to present.
not only that but ebay now makes shopping international ,without borders, and i am sure most of the rangertell products would go overseas because websites here are full of anti RT examiner.
This is not a laughing matter for me anymore...don't you read the slanderous posts by vincent blanes and his phoney Tech Support section?Hi hipopp,
I think Dell is posting laughing faces because he thinks Carl doesn't know much about the RangerTell Examiner while Dell does. Maybe it would be good for Dell Winders to tape an interview with 60 minutes too, so he can show us a Rangertell finding hidden treasures. Maybe coins hidden in the sand. This would show once and for all that Dell knows what he is talking about.

I think you are right about Carl. He probably has more experience in dealing with electronic circuits used for metal detecting than most of the members of this forum, and can speak with authority on the topic better than the rest of us can. I think he is the only forum member who has taken apart a RangerTell Examiner, and is also willing to demonstrate it doing what it does. Do you think Dell Winders will demonstrate the RangerTell Examiner doing what it does on international TV? Or maybe hung, who claims he can locate treasures at long range with his "diode model"?

I haven't had anyone take me up on my offer to make a videotape of them demonstrating their LRL recovering treasure live yet, and post a free professional website showing their demonstration along with videos linked to all the major treasure hunting forums. So maybe a "60 Minutes" interview with Geotech forum members is RangerTell's chance to get the much needed publicity to promote the RangerTell Examiner by showing what it is and what it can do worldwide.

Best wishes,
J_P

[hipopp]

thanks JP...agree with all you say.

[osman]

so.........that is what i should have been doing....paying a chinaman or maybe a Turk to go in front of me hitting the nuggetts first to get them resonating so then i would pick them up with the Rangertell. Osman vincent you are full of such good ideas just need to get them out a bit better....your vocabulary is artrocious. Real Science? yeah in your head.


Madness need not be all breakdown. It may also be breakthrough. It is potential liberation and renewal as well as enslavement and existential death. -- R. D. LAING

[hipopp]

glad to see you back...i had run out of sparring partners. Yep you know all about madness my deluded friend. Get one of your rangertells and locate your head..it is used for thinking. Osman the Turk who breaks out into psychotic prose...Never before in my life have i ever come accross such a sick fool as you vincent. I see you are still active on the other site...you said you were gone.

[hipopp]

how much gold have you found dell winders?????

[Theseus]

how much gold have you found dell winders?????

Just for your information; if you pressure Dell enough for answers, he will eventually lapse into his name-calling mode and then will run and hide for a month or two. Or he will tell you to do your own research and answer your own questions. In this case, you have done your own research (and plenty of it), so I rather imagine he will just go directly to his name-calling... and then disappear for a bit while things cool off and your questions go unanswered. ;)

[Dell Winders]

W.I.S. :lol: :lol:

[Qiaozhi]

W.I.S. :lol: :lol:
Or in other words:
"I used to think I was a parrot, but I'm alright now..... I used to think I was a parrot, but I'm alright now..... I used to think I was a parrot, but I'm alright now....." :lol: :lol:

:cry: "WHAT DOESN'T WORK, CANNOT BE MADE TO WORK." :cry:

[J_Player]

how much gold have you found dell winders?????Dell has found tons of gold.
Every time gravity pulls his rods downward, they point toward tons of gold in the earth that has never been mined.
The question is... how much gold has Dell recovered?

For a manufacturer who produces treasure locators with frequency selections for "gold, silver, copper, lead, tin, iron, diamond & emeralds", we know he must have a large stockpile of spare gold that he uses to send his servants grocery shopping from his stately mansion. And if the local stores don't accept gold bullion for payment, he probably gives them wads of cash that he found using his "X-Scan & universal Dell Rod combo". http://www.omnitron.net/del_prod.htm

Of course W.I.S. (Wisdom is silence). -- Meaning he will not show any evidence of his vast wealth gained from treasure recovery because talking about it would place him in grave danger of being robbed by jealous skeptics.
Right Dell? :rolleyes:

Best wishes,
J_P

[Dell Winders]

W.I.S. :lol: :lol:

[Theseus]

Of course W.I.S. (Wisdom is silence). -- Meaning he will not show any evidence of his vast wealth gained from treasure recovery because talking about it would place him in grave danger of being robbed by jealous skeptics.
Right Dell? :rolleyes:

Best wishes,
J_P

I thought it was Women In Sports.

But, whatever, it makes as much sense as anything else Dell posts... Zilch, Zero, 0, Nothing.

The really important thing is; he avoids answering any of the questions put to him about his products, real claims and inferred claims. Sort of his own trademark he puts on all legitimate inquiries. :D

[Dell Winders]

W.I.S. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[hipopp]

your responses are pretty bad Dell...makes you sound a bit like a rangertell Clone i'm afraid.

[Qiaozhi]

W.I.S. :lol: :lol:
More parrot droppings. ;)

:cry: "WHAT DOESN'T WORK, CANNOT BE MADE TO WORK." :cry:

[J_Player]

The really important thing is; he avoids answering any of the questions put to him about his products, real claims and inferred claims. Sort of his own trademark he puts on all legitimate inquiries. :DReal claims?
It is hard to find any real claims Dell made for his Omnitron products.
On his products advertising page, Dell makes only two definite claims about the ability of his products to recover treasure:

1. "The PRO-4 has yet to prove it's merit with a recovery".
2. "As of August 2003 the X-SCAN has only been tested under the Ground & Atmospheric conditions of Central Florida, USA on a limited variety of targets. At the moment I really don't know the extent of it's capabilities, or of it's limitations".
Quoted from: http://www.omnitron.net/del_prod.htm

You can be sure Dell will point out his claims in federal court if the FBI goes after him for selling useless equipment across state lines under fraudulent pretenses. So keep Dell's claims in mind the next time you are overcome with gold fever and anxious to send in your cash for a magic paint roller that seems too good to be true.

Inferred claims?
Of course, you could infer that Dell is highly successful at recovering fabulous treasures based on the references he makes to treasure hunting projects where un-named archaeologists, anthropologists, geologists, mining companies and treasure hunters allegedly use his products.
But think about it....
what professional would use a product that has never made a single recovery? :lol: :lol: :lol:
Is this more hillbiilly logic? :rolleyes:

Best wishes,
J_P

[hipopp]

hello 60 mins editorial

can i interest you and therefore have you expose a scam of a product sold on eBay here and internationally?
The product is a "Long Range locator". Yes you simply type in a few numbers on a calculator, point the aerial and it will locate gold gems and even paper money.
I would not bother you if it was simply a scam product as there are numerous sold today but this one is so so so different. Different in that the seller /manufacturer is obviously some sort of colourful paranoid who has left a trail of lies slander and libel and character assasinations on the internet on various sites in a most inglorious language for all and sundry to see. The claims are so preposterously transparent and laughable that it will absolutely guarantee you a riveted audience on your program. example follows a typical submission on a internet forum and a response from the peddlar......



http://www.geotech1.com/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif to hung
I can point the rangertell at a pair of old boots and "tell it there is spanish dubbloons sewn into the soles " and by jove the rangertell locks onto the boots. WOW. Next day I can point the rangertell at the old boots and after telling the aerial that the Jinns have been at work again and stolen the dubloons the aerial is not interested in locking onto the target. What a heap of absolute drivel.

hello hung...i see you are a true believer...best of luck in finding gold...how much have you found to date? I have found old boots, cardboard boxes, filled soiled nappies and the like. I mean this rangertell can find me anything i point it at. Never found me an australian Turk like osman before though better point my aerial at him and declare him found!
Had to mow the lawn the other day so took the rangertell to the shed pointed it at the lawnmower and found it. found the shed and the lawnmower all at the same time...this device is astounding. The missus put a gold nuggett in the lounge room for me to find and i spent days trying to find it ...cannot...it is still in the lounge room and she has forgotten where she put it after shifting it around so many times trying to make it easier for me. I mean man if i only knew exactly where it was i could point my aerial at it and find it. Might take it to church on sunday and point my aerial at it and find my church. Can't be too careful you are not in the right building you know.

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif top secret rangertell operating manual

Ohhhh you guys, the ranger tell doe's work, iv got one.
Ya just have to be in the right frame of mind when it becomes a part of your anatomy.

It works like this, open can of favorite beer, place rangertell in left or right hand, extend small antenna, turn calculator on and enter the numbers in the correct sequence, 5318008, turn screen upside down and grin, thrust hips back and forth while using available hand to gesture a passing truck driver to sound his horn, scull beer, hold parallel to the ground, scratch testicles, toss empty can, fart, swing rangertell left then right then left then right then repeat sequence a few more times, grin burp and keep your balance, open new can, walk a few steps crouch down and rest, toss previously opened can, light cigarette and wipe brow, look at calculator screen and grin once more, say the words MY BAD, chuckle, open new can, scull contents, disregard empty can, open new carn, look at cowcumator screen and frust hips, make horn sound, consume comtemps of newly opened cam, look at cowpototo scween, gwin, fow away empty fing, owpin neww con, enhale coptemp, fart, faw down in swow motion, wook ot elavotor scren, giggl umtill spew, loook at spew, oten new cem, get comteps of new cen im my mowf, path oot.......GOLD. Rangertell (http://www.geotech1.com/forums/member.php?u=4135) http://www.geotech1.com/forums/images/statusicon/user_offline.gif
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If I told you that I'd have to kill you!

Many, many operatives do and don't tell the company. They cheat don't they!:D

If 1300 have been sold and accepted , surely you can see ( or google rangertell) there are countless people using this in the mining industry.:angry:

What irks us is the fact you did not contact us during your trials. In other words you may have been using a faulty unit. Two years is well past warranty and everything,..never mind refund. We are not a candy store run by a benevolent retard!! 8)

Leave it with me.



etc etc etc etc please refer to site www.geotech1/forums (http://www.geotech1/forums) then go to REMOTE SENSING then RANGERTELL EXAMINER FIELD TRIALS. Also the Australian site is www.Finders.com.au (http://www.finders.com.au/) I am Hipopp just another one in a long line of bitten customers...
Absolutely ridicule this Rangertell for a darn good sixty minutes segment...will help all i can but please give me adequate notice.

[Rangertell]

Hi Rangertell,
Sure, I can travel to Phoenix, but not right away. You can send me the information by PM and I will make arrangements as soon as I am free to go.

Best wishes,
J_P


Still waiting on the Phoenix guy to get back. Re companies that use RT products, if you read the Testimonials on the rangertell.com site there is a letter from one there. Right down page, easy to miss. It's after first post past the pics.

Tech Support

[J_Player]

Still waiting on the Phoenix guy to get back. Re companies that use RT products, if you read the Testimonials on the rangertell.com site there is a letter from one there. Right down page, easy to miss. It's after first post past the pics.

Tech SupportHi RangerTell.
Thank you for checking into it. Please send the details by PM when he gets back to you.
I will contact him and make arrangements suitable for both of us.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Rangertell]

J Player

Although he appears to have had success with meteorites this year he suggested we would do better with someone in California that owns a newer model. His is a 2003 model from memory. Sorry.

Tech Support

[J_Player]

J Player

Although he appears to have had success with meteorites this year he suggested we would do better with someone in California that owns a newer model. His is a 2003 model from memory. Sorry.

Tech SupportHi Rangertell,
I thought the older models could detect gold and other treasures. But I can see how technological advances could make for better detection of specific targets. Ok, I am ready... hook me up with someone in California that owns a newer model. There are people in the Southern California who have a newer model, right?

If not, then it might be fun to find some meteorites in the Arizona desert. I have some meteorite samples that would be good to use as test specimens to see how well the 2003 model can detect them. We can also take the RangerTell to the open field. Who knows... we may find a really cool specimen like a pallasite. :)

PS. I am right-handed and in good health, so there should be no problem with the functionality of the RangerTell Examiner if I should make a go at it.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Theseus]

J Player

Although he appears to have had success with meteorites this year he suggested we would do better with someone in California that owns a newer model. His is a 2003 model from memory. Sorry.

Tech Support

Total BS. I doubt very seriously if the the "customer" even exists. This is nothing more than the usual stalling and procrastination tactics from Vincent. :(

[Theseus]

J Player

Although he appears to have had success with meteorites this year he suggested we would do better with someone in California that owns a newer model. His is a 2003 model from memory. Sorry.

Tech Support

Here's an idea. In the interest of settling this issue once and for all, why don't you (Vincent Blanes) send your customer(?) the latest model of the Examiner, strictly as a loan to be returned after the demo for J_P. :)

Perhaps after your customer(?) sees how much better it works than his outdated 2003 model, he might pony up the cash for it and you will have made another sale. Or, maybe J_P will buy it on the spot, once he experiences the virtues of the new improved model. :D

[Qiaozhi]

Here's an idea. In the interest of settling this issue once and for all, why don't you (Vincent Blanes) send your customer(?) the latest model of the Examiner, strictly as a loan to be returned after the demo for J_P. :)

Perhaps after your customer(?) sees how much better it works than his outdated 2003 model, he might pony up the cash for it and you will have made another sale. Or, maybe J_P will buy it on the spot, once he experiences the virtues of the new improved model. :D
.

[J_Player]

Here's an idea. In the interest of settling this issue once and for all, why don't you (Vincent Blanes) send your customer(?) the latest model of the Examiner, strictly as a loan to be returned after the demo for J_P. :)

Perhaps after your customer(?) sees how much better it works than his outdated 2003 model, he might pony up the cash for it and you will have made another sale. Or, maybe J_P will buy it on the spot, once he experiences the virtues of the new improved model. :DHey....
If it works for me so I can recover gold from a distance every time, then I plan to buy it on the spot for myself. I will take tons of videos of it working from every angle, and post them on a professional website with a complete writeup of a series of tests. This web page will be linked to all the major treasure forums including Geotech.

Don't give any ideas to this dude in Arizona, or I won't be able to buy it. :oh:

Best wishes,
J_P

[hipopp]

J.P what do you mean by "if" the locator works? Rangertell are telling you it will find you truck loads of gold........just point and...yup for a measely thousand or so they are going to give you millions $$$$$$$$$ can't get a better deal than that anywhere. yer right vincent!!! The Black Horseman cometh for you Vincent.

[J_Player]

J.P what do you mean by "if" the locator works? Rangertell are telling you it will find you truck loads of gold........just point and...yup for a measely thousand or so they are going to give you millions $$$$$$$$$ can't get a better deal than that anywhere. yer right vincent!!! The Black Horseman cometh for you Vincent.Hey...
So if it works for certain, then you can count on me buying one on the spot for certain.
And get ready to see a new professional web page with videos and links to all the major treasure hunting forums for certain.
... That is, as soon as I see the RangerTell Examiner that I am holding in my hand locating the hidden gold every time for certain. :thumb:

Even if nobody in Southern California has a newer RangerTell Examiner to test, the old 2003 model will work fine for locating my meteorite samples.


Hmmmm... No PMs telling how to contact a satisfied RangerTell customer who will demonstrate it working yet.
But no worries... A PM will be forthcoming for certain.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Theseus]

Hey...
So if it works for certain, then you can count on me buying one on the spot for certain.
And get ready to see a new professional web page with videos and links to all the major treasure hunting forums for certain.
... That is, as soon as I see the RangerTell Examiner that I am holding in my hand locating the hidden gold every time for certain. :thumb:

Even if nobody in Southern California has a newer RangerTell Examiner to test, the old 2003 model will work fine for locating my meteorite samples.


Hmmmm... No PMs telling how to contact a satisfied RangerTell customer who will demonstrate it working yet.
But no worries... A PM will be forthcoming for certain.

Best wishes,
J_P

Yup, I'm just sure a PM will show up in your Inbox, any day now.... Perhaps within the next few hours.

[Rangertell]

J Player

We have decided to send you an Examiner free of charge. If you find it suitable you can pay us then. It's too hard to find a user in your district.

The unit will be sent next week if you give me an address.

Rangertell

[WM6]

J Player

We have decided to send you an Examiner free of charge. If you find it suitable you can pay us then. It's too hard to find a user in your district.

The unit will be sent next week if you give me an address.

Rangertell


Bravo!!! Right way.

Expect the same from Mineoro (and other producers too) to send testing device to one of sceptic here.

Buyers have right to independent test review and second opinion too.

[hung]

J Player

We have decided to send you an Examiner free of charge. If you find it suitable you can pay us then. It's too hard to find a user in your district.

The unit will be sent next week if you give me an address.

Rangertell

Hummm.... I would not do it.

Not a single standard MD manufacturer does it.
So, in my view, LRLs should not promote this either.

[WM6]

Not a single standard MD manufacturer does it.



They does (if not producers directly then ower sellers).
Where do you live?
Do you mean that treasure magazines are buying MD for test and reviews?

[Qiaozhi]

Hummm.... I would not do it.

Not a single standard MD manufacturer does it.
So, in my view, LRLs should not promote this either.
Are you getting nervous?
I imagine the private messaging system is being well used. :rolleyes:

[osman]

[quote = Rangertell; 101.477] J Oyuncu

Size bir Examiner ücretsiz göndermeye karar verdik. Eğer uygun daha sonra bize ödeme yapabilirsiniz bulabilirsiniz. Çok senin semtinde bir kullanıcı bulmak zor.

Eğer bana adresi vermek birimi önümüzdeki hafta gönderilecektir.

Rangertell [/ quote]


good proposal

[hung]

Where do you live?

You did not see? It's written up right where it says 'location'.

Do you mean that treasure magazines are buying MD for test and reviews?

He's not from any treasure magazine. He's just a (potential) ordinary customer.

Also, usually magazines return the product after test reviewing them.
Err... well... after the reviewer gets his 'tip' or after the manufacturer buys some advertising space of course... Marketing is tiresome...:lol:

[WM6]

Your fear is now debunkering himself.

[Qiaozhi]

You did not see? It's written up right where it says 'location'.
LRL (fantasy) Land :lol:

[J_Player]

J Player

We have decided to send you an Examiner free of charge. If you find it suitable you can pay us then. It's too hard to find a user in your district.

The unit will be sent next week if you give me an address.

RangertellHi Rangertell,
Thank you for your offer to send an Examiner that I can test. See your PM in box. :)

Best wishes,
J_P

[Qiaozhi]

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[Theseus]

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Yes, even the beeping pistols are silent.

Wonder if Vincent will make good on his "threat" to send J_P a unit to test?

[Mike(Mont)]

JP if you honestly want to learn I will give you some pointers after you have worked with it a bit.

[J_Player]

JP if you honestly want to learn I will give you some pointers after you have worked with it a bit.Sure, Mike(Mont).
Post your pointers here.
Keep in mind, I don't do dowsing, and I am not in contact with my inner biorhythms, nor am I especially lucky at walking in the direction of treasures.

Thanks in advance for any tips,
J_P

[Max]

what's that ?

new game ? old players ? :lol:

I like that... expecialli Mike's allucinations (too many peyotes there, uh ?) :rolleyes:

[Esteban]

Yes, even the beeping pistols are silent.


Wonder if Vincent will make good on his "threat" to send J_P a unit to test?


But treasures are very "noisy", so is easy to "hear" it with coils. :razz:

[Mike(Mont)]

You can get started here. Don't expect immediate results. Practice the basic "belly" breathing here--slow breaths using your diaphram, especially before using the Examiner or other locator device. Twenty minutes should work. This is the path to meditation. I would avoid the advanced breathing techniques like holding your breath. This can be dangerous and you really need an instructor. Read the warnings.

http://www.abc-of-yoga.com/pranayama/

I really wanted to wait until you have some practice with the rod, but I can tell you to avoid fixating on the rod itself. This is a common mistake when learning any new equipment. You want your awareness on the search area, not the rod. Don't worry, you will notice when it responds.

Also, you want to be several feet away from the target. If you are too close, your energy field will interact with the target's field and you won't feel it. The hottest areas are the edges of the target's field. For a small target this might be a circle six feet in diameter. As you sweep the rod through the search area, try to imagine you have a very long stick and feel for the target's field like it is a big bubble. It's like there is a field membrane where the polarity changes. The target itself will not give as good a response.

I noticed you said you wanted something that works 100%. That's isn't going to happen unless you are perfect. I know ALL skeptics think they are, but that's delusional. The rod is only going to be as good as the operator's skill level. Typically the beginner is going to have mental interference. This might be more than you can overcome, so you are going to have to work hard at eliminating negative thoughts and doubts. If you can get the meditation down, your mind will be still and it won't be "your own worst enemy".

When you are actually searching for a hidden target, you might get more than one response. Put a marker down on each line and try to learn where you went right and where you went wrong.

That's enough for now.

[Theseus]

But treasures are very "noisy", so is easy to "hear" it with coils. :razz:

Yeah, right. Too bad it only works in your hemisphere. :p

[Theseus]

You can get started here. Don't expect immediate results. Practice the basic "belly" breathing here--slow breaths using your diaphram, especially before using the Examiner or other locator device. Twenty minutes should work. This is the path to meditation. I would avoid the advanced breathing techniques like holding your breath. This can be dangerous and you really need an instructor. Read the warnings.

http://www.abc-of-yoga.com/pranayama/

I really wanted to wait until you have some practice with the rod, but I can tell you to avoid fixating on the rod itself. This is a common mistake when learning any new equipment. You want your awareness on the search area, not the rod. Don't worry, you will notice when it responds.

Also, you want to be several feet away from the target. If you are too close, your energy field will interact with the target's field and you won't feel it. The hottest areas are the edges of the target's field. For a small target this might be a circle six feet in diameter. As you sweep the rod through the search area, try to imagine you have a very long stick and feel for the target's field like it is a big bubble. It's like there is a field membrane where the polarity changes. The target itself will not give as good a response.

I noticed you said you wanted something that works 100%. That's isn't going to happen unless you are perfect. I know ALL skeptics think they are, but that's delusional. The rod is only going to be as good as the operator's skill level. Typically the beginner is going to have mental interference. This might be more than you can overcome, so you are going to have to work hard at eliminating negative thoughts and doubts. If you can get the meditation down, your mind will be still and it won't be "your own worst enemy".

When you are actually searching for a hidden target, you might get more than one response. Put a marker down on each line and try to learn where you went right and where you went wrong.

That's enough for now.

Wow! A lot of what you are stating and recommending sounds like preparations and training for ordinary dowsing. From the RangerTell claims and advertisements (and Dr. Hung) I got the impression the Examiner has nothing to do with dowsing; but is strictly based on physics(?), the electronic circuits and the numbers plugged into the calculator; not dowsing. Thus, mental state, breathing exercises and thinking processes should have absolutely no influence on the results whatsoever.

So! :shocked: What's the story here? Is the RT Examiner just another dowsing rod, like a bent coat hanger, or your Revelation rod? :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Mike(Mont)]

When I say keep your awareness on the search area, I don't mean to stare at it with a sharp focus. You are not supposed to be using any of your five senses, especailly your eyes. So use a soft focus and that's mainly for the rod. Remember anytime you are using a conscious effort, you are blocking out the subtle energies. All this is difficult, almost overwhelming, to perform when you have so many things to remember. It just takes time to get to where you do it without thinking. As for the breathing, you should be able to notice you feel more relaxed, even feeling wonderful. They say you need to be happy, joyful when you meditate.

The key to breathing is to do it smoothly, like pedaling a bicycle. Slowly count to five on the inhale as you expand your belly, slowly count to five on the exhale as you contract your belly. Immediatly go into the next breath without pause. When you catch your mind wandering, just get it back to the task. It all sounds so simple but it takes a few weeks of practice.

[Dell Winders]

Mike, you have to be more specific. Skeptics who cater to the Coat hanger mentality don't appear to be very smart. To them, every thing using a hand held antenna is considered Dowsing, With their limited intelligence and closed minded prejudice, they are unable to comprehend the difference between an application of Physics, and an application of meta-physics.( Dowsing)

As an example, the years of confusion for Theseus, regarding the physics employed in many LRL applications, and the meta-physics employed in mental Dowsing applications, has obviously caused irreversible damage to his brain cells, and rational thinking.

Be careful how you try to explain the difference. The Scientific pretenders mind cannot handle the truth. Theseus, has shown that he can become irrational in the defense of imaginary beliefs. A once rational, and no doubt brilliant mind, now wasted by egotism, irresponsibility, Scientific pretense, stupidity, and a blatant disregard for truth, facts, and common sense.

Good Luck! Dell

[Max]

But treasures are very "noisy", so is easy to "hear" it with coils. :razz:

all the same BS from him...

noi way!

Now also noise... so one can hear for treasures! :lol:

What next !? Treasure will smell of something... ??? :rolleyes:

Snake-oil selling here... as always!:D

[Mike(Mont)]

Dell, that's why I mentioned the meditation. "What they don't think won't hurt them."

[Dell Winders]

W.I.S. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Max, you have reaffirmed the obvious mentality of the Scientific pretenders posting on Geotech. I rest my case on the ignorance of your reply. Dell

[Dell Winders]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Esteban
But treasures are very "noisy", so is easy to "hear" it with coils.
all the same BS from him...

noi way!

Now also noise... so one can hear for treasures!

What next !? Treasure will smell of something... ???

Snake-oil selling here... as always!

W.I.S. :lol: :lol: :lol:

In the 1930's Prospectors used crystal radios to search for placer deposits. When they walked over shallow Gold deposits they would hear "crackling" noises in the head set.

Max, you have reaffirmed the obvious mentality of the Scientific pretenders posting on Geotech. I rest my case based on the ignorance of the reply you gave. Dell

[Theseus]

W.I.S. :lol: :lol: :lol:

In the 1930's Prospectors used crystal radios to search for placer deposits. When they walked over shallow Gold deposits they would hear "crackling" noises in the head set.

Max, you have reaffirmed the obvious mentality of the Scientific pretenders posting on Geotech. I rest my case based on the ignorance of the reply you gave. Dell

But you haven't explained your all encompassing ignorance. You know, the ignorance of not knowing what is inside the do-nothing black boxes that you sell. :lol: :lol:

Your name is on them, so why wouldn't you know about the hot glue and the other do-nothing crap that you put in there to fool the gullible and technically-challenged.

Incidentally, there ARE NOT two kinds of dowsing "mental" and "physical". There is only DOWSING, and I don't care if you sell Dowsing with a needle and thread or a box of do-nothing crap that you plug into the ground.... it all still works as a result of an ideomotor response from the operator. The box of do-nothing crap is completely superfluous and adds nothing to the whole dowsing act, except of course to give you a trumped up excuse to charge some poor sap $695 plus shipping and handling.

And, btw, if you take issue with the above statement, please do so with proof positive data of why you are right and I am wrong. Simply calling me names and side-stepping the issue is NOT proof positive data. :lol: :lol: :lol: :razz:

[Dell Winders]

W.I.S.

The price is $950, not $695. Shipping is FREE within the Continental USA.

Even an idiot can see what is inside. Anyone can remove 4 screws and see for themselves. A little bit of clear epoxy to hold the circuit board in place, and Black epoxy to encapulsate the antenna, but no hot glue? Dell

http://images.yuku.com/image/jpeg/79635533d649ef541f630fc9552a1e01b0b7f22.jpg

http://images.yuku.com/image/jpeg/e2a15ddeee15025edc469a5a499f2f258cea0a0.jpg

[Theseus]

W.I.S.


The price is $950, not $695. Even an idiot can know what is inside. Anyone can remove 4 screws and see for themselves. A little bit of clear epoxy to hold the circuit board in place, but no hot glue. Dell


Only an idiot could look inside because only an idiot would fall for such a fraudulent scam piece of junk. Whether the rip-off price is $695, or $950, or $2950; as a treasure locating device it isn't worth 10 cents to the idiot buyer.

It only locates treasure (cash) once, when the idiot forks over cash to the LRL/MFD scam artist. After that, it serves no purpose and has a cash value of scrap plastic and used electronics components; roughly 10 cents a pound on the scrap market.

Idiots beware.... :lol: :lol: :lol:

[J_Player]

You can get started here. Don't expect immediate results. Practice the basic "belly" breathing here--slow breaths using your diaphram, especially before using the Examiner or other locator device. Twenty minutes should work. This is the path to meditation. I would avoid the advanced breathing techniques like holding your breath. This can be dangerous and you really need an instructor. Read the warnings.

http://www.abc-of-yoga.com/pranayama/

I really wanted to wait until you have some practice with the rod, but I can tell you to avoid fixating on the rod itself. This is a common mistake when learning any new equipment. You want your awareness on the search area, not the rod. Don't worry, you will notice when it responds.

Also, you want to be several feet away from the target. If you are too close, your energy field will interact with the target's field and you won't feel it. The hottest areas are the edges of the target's field. For a small target this might be a circle six feet in diameter. As you sweep the rod through the search area, try to imagine you have a very long stick and feel for the target's field like it is a big bubble. It's like there is a field membrane where the polarity changes. The target itself will not give as good a response.

I noticed you said you wanted something that works 100%. That's isn't going to happen unless you are perfect. I know ALL skeptics think they are, but that's delusional. The rod is only going to be as good as the operator's skill level. Typically the beginner is going to have mental interference. This might be more than you can overcome, so you are going to have to work hard at eliminating negative thoughts and doubts. If you can get the meditation down, your mind will be still and it won't be "your own worst enemy".

When you are actually searching for a hidden target, you might get more than one response. Put a marker down on each line and try to learn where you went right and where you went wrong.

That's enough for now.Thanks for the tips, Mike(Mont).

There may be a place for using your suggestions in the testing program. But for the initial tests I plan on following the manufacturers instructions exactly. This means if the instructions don't say I should meditate or try yoga or breathing exercises before looking for a target, then I wont. the manufacturer says the Rangertell Examiner is not a dowsing rod, but works on electronic principles instead. I once read that the reason why a person must be holding the pistol is to complete the circuit to ground with the right hand (left hand will have the wrong polarity). But this is second-hand information. I will read the instructions sent by the manufacturer and follow them with the idea that the manufacturer knows how his invention is designed to be used.

Of course there is a lot of controversy about the working/non-working of the Examiner, as well as controversy about the principles on which it is alleged to work. But in order to make a fair test, I will presume the manufacturer/inventor knows more about the correct operating methods than others know.

After all, the Rangertell Examiner advertising does not say the user needs to perform mental, physical or spiritual exercises in order for it to work. It is supposed to work by simply following the instructions. This is the basis of fair testing. I plan to begin as any ordinary person who wants to find hidden targets, without special gifted abilities or yoga training. The premise of the Rangertell Examiner is that it works for most people as soon as it is properly tuned. As an example, suppose I practised your instructions and found that they magically made me into an expert dowser. Then who would know if the dowsing was finding the targets, or the Rangertell examiner was finding them? I am sure that by deviating from the instructions in the early stages of testing, we would start a forum war between LRL enthusiasts and skeptics. It wouldn't be wise.

But your instructions are what I am looking for in the event that I don't find the kind of success that that we are shooting for. If I have trouble getting the Examiner to work, and if I have exhausted all the manufacturer recommended methods without success, then I will rely on tips like the ones you suggested. If it gets to that point, I will follow your instructions exactly, and I will be asking for more tips.

Thank you for sharing your tips on operating the Rangertell Examiner. :)
I will archive them in my repository of tests to perform toward the end of the testing program.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Mike(Mont)]

Yeah, right. i think if you look you won't see anywhere I spoke about dowsing. His instructions might work for normal people, but skeptics aren't normal. They ooze negativity out their soul. Like one skeptic said he was "totally unbiased", it's delusional. The breathing exercises were an attempt to tone this down. It's okay.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvTwFl6OIAk

[J_Player]

Yeah, right. i think if you look you won't see anywhere I spoke about dowsing. His instructions might work for normal people, but skeptics aren't normal. They ooze negativity out their soul. Like one skeptic said he was "totally unbiased", it's delusional. The breathing exercises were an attempt to tone this down. It's okay.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvTwFl6OIAkNope, you didn't say dowsing. But this is exactly what skeptics are saying when they hear your words. Personally I just don't feel like wading through more dowsing debates when we have more important business at hand, so I would rather save the yoga/meditation stuff until the initial testing is done.

Well then, I s'pose my trials will be done by a skeptic oozing with negativity, per Mike(Mont)'s appraisal. But don't despair, even if the Rangrtell Examiner works perfectly without breathing exercises as the factory says it will, I will still try your suggestions toward the end of the test program. Who knows, maybe your suggestions will change me into the kind of person you consider the ideal earth being.

In the mean time, I will consider the manufacturer to be the authority on how to use his products, and I will give him a fair shot with testing done to his standards by more people than just myself. When time permits I will be holding some demonstration events where treasure hunting skeptics as well as LRL enthusiasts will be invited to try their hand at the RangerTell Examiner. You will be invited too. This will allow you to demonstrate your techniques to show without a doubt how well they work.

I can guarantee all the skeptics watching will be anxious to learn your methods after they see your outstanding performance recovering gold with the Examiner. And it will be a good chance for all the LRL enthusiasts to point their fingers at skeptics and laugh "I told you so". You may make LRL history if your methods work. :)

Remember anytime you are using a conscious effort, you are blocking out the subtle energies. All this is difficult, almost overwhelming, to perform when you have so many things to remember.Ummm... I have no plan to try to remember anything during the tests. Once the Examiner is set, I plan to let it do it's thing and find the target. I have no reason to focus on the antenna or treasure or anything else. Maybe I will occasionally stop to check whether I am following the manufacturer's instructions. Personally, I don't see anything difficult about it at all as long as I am not trying to remember a lot of stuff.


Best wishes,
J_P

[Theseus]

Nope, you didn't say dowsing. But this is exactly what skeptics are saying when they hear your words. Personally I just don't feel like wading through more dowsing debates when we have more important business at hand, so I would rather save the yoga/meditation stuff until the initial testing is done.

Well then, I s'pose my trials will be done by a skeptic oozing with negativity, per Mike(Mont)'s appraisal. But don't despair, even if the Rangrtell Examiner works perfectly without breathing exercises as the factory says it will, I will still try your suggestions toward the end of the test program. Who knows, maybe your suggestions will change me into the kind of person you consider the ideal earth being.

In the mean time, I will consider the manufacturer to be the authority on how to use his products, and I will give him a fair shot with testing done to his standards by more people than just myself. When time permits I will be holding some demonstration events where treasure hunting skeptics as well as LRL enthusiasts will be invited to try their hand at the RangerTell Examiner. You will be invited too. This will allow you to demonstrate your techniques to show without a doubt how well they work.

I can guarantee all the skeptics watching will be anxious to learn your methods after they see your outstanding performance recovering gold with the Examiner. And it will be a good chance for all the LRL enthusiasts to point their fingers at skeptics and laugh "I told you so". You may make LRL history if your methods work. :)

Ummm... I have no plan to try to remember anything during the tests. Once the Examiner is set, I plan to let it do it's thing and find the target. I have no reason to focus on the antenna or treasure or anything else. Maybe I will occasionally stop to check whether I am following the manufacturer's instructions. Personally, I don't see anything difficult about it at all as long as I am not trying to remember a lot of stuff.


Best wishes,
J_P

Way to go J_P, you are approaching the testing procedure EXACTLY the way I would do it, if I were doing the testing. The inventor/manufacturer should know best how to operate his own instrument, and his instructions should be followed precisely. That is the only fair way to evaluate the instrument.

I was once involved in the testing of an LRL/MFD device, where I made my test procedure and results public (after getting permission from the inventor). One or two chastised me for certain facets of the test procedure, because it didn't fit "their" idea of how it should be tested. I then reminded them that I followed the recommendations from the inventor exactly, and that if anyone should know how it should be tested, it would only be the inventor. Probably you've guessed by now.... the device did not operate as advertised, or claimed. Mike and others will contend that the fault lies with me the tester because of negative vibs and all the other silly excuses; but the inventor DID NOT make any such stipulations about my vibs either negative or positive. When (or if) the Examiner fails to operate correctly for you; you will hear the same things. ;)

[Esteban]

Yeah, right. Too bad it only works in your hemisphere. :p



No, work in 2 hemispheres. :lol:

[Theseus]

No, work in 2 hemispheres. :lol:

Whatever you think. :|

[Fred]

...I really wanted to wait until you have some practice with the rod, but I can tell you to avoid fixating on the rod itself. This is a common mistake when learning any new equipment. You want your awareness on the search area, not the rod. Don't worry, you will notice when it responds.

(...) The hottest areas are the edges of the target's field. (...) As you sweep the rod through the search area, try to imagine you have a very long stick and feel for the target's field like it is a big bubble. It's like there is a field membrane where the polarity changes....
:lol::lol: Is that only me? this is so funny

[Theseus]

J Player

We have decided to send you an Examiner free of charge. If you find it suitable you can pay us then. It's too hard to find a user in your district.

The unit will be sent next week if you give me an address.

Rangertell

J_Player,

Any status update or info that you can share with the group? Is the Examiner in the mail yet? Any idea when it is expected to arrive?

[Rangertell]

J_Player


See email for shipping latest.

RT

[J_Player]

J_Player,

Any status update or info that you can share with the group? Is the Examiner in the mail yet? Any idea when it is expected to arrive?Hi Theseus,
Yes, I received an email from Rangertell:
The Examiner TG has been sent and should reach you in 7 to 10 working days.
Enjoy!


Note: 'Re Depth' on PDF, pls see amended attached.
The Examiner should be arriving soon, and I will keep the Geotech forum informed of new developments. (The PDF attached is a short note giving a technical tip for using the Examiner). I am currently preparing a website for the testing and demonstration program, and will be giving details when it is ready. Expect to see some posts about this in about two weeks from now.

Many thanks to Rangertell for taking the initiative to become the first manufacturer to send a long range locator unit for testing by a member of the Geotech forum. :)


Best wishes,
J_P

[Fred]

That´s great news JP !

[Carl-NC]

Many thanks to Rangertell for taking the initiative to become the first manufacturer to send a long range locator unit for testing by a member of the Geotech forum.

Several years ago, Mr. Blanes sent me a "Goldscrew" to test. I've just never mentioned it.

[J_Player]

Several years ago, Mr. Blanes sent me a "Goldscrew" to test. I've just never mentioned it.Hi Carl,
A goldscrew? What's that?
Is it something that Rangertell manufactured?

Are there any test results?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Qiaozhi]

Hi Carl,
A goldscrew? What's that?
Is it something that Rangertell manufactured?

Are there any test results?

Best wishes,
J_P
Yes, it's a RangerTell product. There's a reference on their website ->
http://www.rangertell.com/booster.htm
Apparently Sam and Carl are the only people in the world who cannot use it ... because they are left-handed. :lol:

[Fred]

Apparently Sam and Carl are the only people in the world who cannot use it ... because they are left-handed. :lol:
In the northern hemisphere that should not be a problem ??

[Qiaozhi]

In the northern hemisphere that should not be a problem ??
Who knows? It's just another excuse to add to the list.
And what happens at the equator? :stars:

[Dell Winders]

Apparently Sam and Carl are the only people in the world who cannot use it ... because they are left-handed.

According to Carl, & Sam, they are not mentally capable of learning, or refuse to learn in order to prevent libel and defeat the Skeptic agenda.

I have practiced, and learned to use LRLs successfully the same as most any one can. If a dumb, uneducated Kentucky hillibilly Hillbilly can learn to use these products, surly any one can. Does that make me smarter, open minded, or more intelligent than Carl, or Sam? They compliment my intelligence and degrade themselves:super: every time they claim LRL's can't possibly work. Dell

[Qiaozhi]

According to Carl, & Sam, they are not mentally capable of learning, or refuse to learn in order to prevent libel and defeat the Skeptic agenda.

I have practiced, and learned to use LRLs successfully the same as most any one can. If a dumb, uneducated Kentucky hillibilly Hillbilly can learn to use these products, surly any one can. Does that make me smarter, open minded, or more intelligent than Carl, or Sam? They compliment my intelligence and degrade themselves:super: every time they claim LRL's can't possibly work. Dell
No. It simply shows that you are susceptible to self-delusion and selective memory.

:cry: "WHAT DOESN'T WORK , CANNOT BE MADE TO WORK" :cry:

[Carl-NC]

Apparently Sam and Carl are the only people in the world who cannot use it ... because they are left-handed. :lol:

Are you serious? I'm left-handed? That explains everything... bad penmanship, dropped peas, gutter balls... I've been using the wrong hand!

[Dell Winders]

It's the stupidest excuse for failure that I've heard. You the W.I.S. man, Qiaozhi.
:yo: :lol: :lol:

[Theseus]

They compliment my intelligence.... Dell

Apparently "this" Sam and Carl are miracle workers, since complimenting intelligence where none exists would indeed be a really neat trick. :razz:

[Carl-NC]

It's the stupidest excuse for failure that I've heard.

I agree, Dell, but it's the one Mr. Blanes keeps citing as to why I couldn't make his Ranger-Tell work.

[Qiaozhi]

It's the stupidest excuse for failure that I've heard. You the W.I.S. man, Qiaozhi.
:yo: :lol: :lol:

I agree, Dell, but it's the one Mr. Blanes keeps citing as to why I couldn't make his Ranger-Tell work.

Blimey! For once we all agree with Dell. :stars:

[J_Player]

I received the Rangertell Examiner package from Australia and opened it last night. I was hoping to start field testing today, but after reading the manuals on CD, I realised it will take some time to digest all that is written in the instructions. It may be a few days before I am ready to try it out on targets.

As you can see in the photos below, there are only two items in the box. The Rangertell Examiner, and a CD with instruction manuals, both taped to the bottom of the box. Everything arrived in good condition, and the calculator seems to perform calculator functions fine. I can answer questions here that anyone wants to ask, and next week I should have my web page up for the Examiner testing. The web page should have a lot more detailed information. I will be taking questions posted in the Geotech remote sensing forum to add to the FAQ section of the website. I will also be looking at suggestions for tests to run that are posted in the Geotech forum.

The tests that I perform will eventually be published on my web page along with some public events where people will be able to watch others using the Rangertell Examiner T-G, and trying it out for themselves.
I plan on publishing the results of my own tests last, after everyone else has had a chance to try out the Examiner with their own tests to see how well they can get it to work. If you will be in the Los Angeles area in the near future, be sure to contact me by PM and make arrangements to try it out. We will also be holding a few events in areas such as the California desert, Arizona or Nevada, if you can come to those areas. All the field testing will be done in open areas away from trash and power lines. We would like to also test in some mineralised areas with the hope of recovering some gold or other metal or mineral items.

It may take some time to get the test program rolling. The delay at the moment is because I have only a limited amount of time to come up to speed on the Rangertell instructions before I am ready to begin the field testing. The CD with instructions contains a 2-part instruction manual with a whole lot of pages and notes attached. And there are a lot of additional addendum instructions on the CD too. It looks like it will take a few days just to read the instructions and figure out how to properly calibrate the Examiner. I also need to finish coding the web page, and it all takes time.

But for now, feel free to ask any questions you want here.

There is only one rule for questions here...
Do not post Rangertell calculator key codes here. If you have key codes that came from the Rangertell factory publications, they are proprietary and should not be made public. You can discuss these only in a private message. But if you want to talk about key codes that did not come from the Rangertell factory, such as your own sequence, then you can post it here in the forum or in a PM.

P.S.
Unless I have written permission from the Rangertell factory, I will not open the Rangertell Examiner. Don't even ask. This is a test unit on loan, that must be returned when I am done testing it. I wouldn't want to break anything while opening it, and then end up having to buy it after I know it is broken.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Alexismex]

The calculator it is Casio FX 300Ms, you have a nice program to match and find photo in internet:
http://www.tineye.com/
I will think J.P have a lot of time to loose with this piece of craps CD and Ranger!!!!

[Theseus]

Since dowsing (and the ideomotor effect) is not supposed to be part of what causes the Examiner to "work"; I hope you will test the unit with the handle clamped in some type of holding device, and with the unit level and with the proper key codes plugged in - bring the proper target close to the antenna so we can see the antenna (device) swing around and point towards the target you are holding, or placing in proximity to the Examiner.

Thanks, J_P, you are doing us all (and the world) a great service.

[Fred]

This is funny i have bougt exactly the same calculator a few days ago in a chinese store, (except that it is not witten "scientific calculator" on it).The price was 4.50€
The calculator is very accurate...

[J_Player]

Since dowsing (and the ideomotor effect) is not supposed to be part of what causes the Examiner to "work"; I hope you will test the unit with the handle clamped in some type of holding device, and with the unit level and with the proper key codes plugged in - bring the proper target close to the antenna so we can see the antenna (device) swing around and point towards the target you are holding, or placing in proximity to the Examiner.

Thanks, J_P, you are doing us all (and the world) a great service.Hi Theseus,
I will put your requst in the repository of tests to make in the field.

I have seen a video of this test done on the Rangertell site some years ago, where the Examiner was clamped to the end of a metal pipe about 6 feet long that was held by an operator. The video showe the Examiner pointing to treasure as it was moved past the target. We can repeat that test as well as some others. One item of interest is I thought the operator needed to be holding the handle with his right hand in order to complete a capacitive coupling to ground. Maybe the clamped pipe acts as a conductor to the operator's right hand to keep this circuit alive. I will have to check that video again to see the details of how the pipe is connected at the ends and to see which hand(s) the operator is holding the pipe.

I have some very accurate instruments that can be used to check the leveling of the rangertell with the horizon, but it may be easier to calibrate a small non-metallic level bubble on top that an observer can watch to warn the operator if he is holding the Examiner tilted to one side or another.

I believe the Examiner is supposed to swing at a very slight incline upward against the force of gravity when passing a target. I'm not sure of this, but I will do some more reading to find out. This could make a more definite test if we can have the Examiner tilted down a few degrees to the front.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Theseus]

Hi Theseus,
I will put your requst in the repository of tests to make in the field.

I have seen a video of this test done on the Rangertell site some years ago, where the Examiner was clamped to the end of a metal pipe about 6 feet long that was held by an operator. The video showe the Examiner pointing to treasure as it was moved past the target. We can repeat that test as well as some others. One item of interest is I thought the operator needed to be holding the handle with his right hand in order to complete a capacitive coupling to ground. Maybe the clamped pipe acts as a conductor to the operator's right hand to keep this circuit alive. I will have to check that video again to see the details of how the pipe is connected at the ends and to see which hand(s) the operator is holding the pipe.

I have some very accurate instruments that can be used to check the leveling of the rangertell with the horizon, but it may be easier to calibrate a small non-metallic level bubble on top that an observer can watch to warn the operator if he is holding the Examiner tilted to one side or another.

I believe the Examiner is supposed to swing at a very slight incline upward against the force of gravity when passing a target. I'm not sure of this, but I will do some more reading to find out. This could make a more definite test if we can have the Examiner tilted down a few degrees to the front.

Best wishes,
J_P


If the Examiner is clamped to a length of pipe and then the operator holds onto the other end of the pipe, this would not negate an ideomotor response, and hence would just be another dowsing contraption, complete with the same problems and errors.

To eliminate the possibility of an ideomotor response, the handle of the Examiner will need to be held in a fixture much like a camera tripod. If there is a requirement that a human must be electrically connected to it, then run a wire from the handle (or metal tripod) to the fingers of the operator. But in no other way can the operator touch the tripod.

[J_Player]

If the Examiner is clamped to a length of pipe and then the operator holds onto the other end of the pipe, this would not negate an ideomotor response, and hence would just be another dowsing contraption, complete with the same problems and errors.

To eliminate the possibility of an ideomotor response, the handle of the Examiner will need to be held in a fixture much like a camera tripod. If there is a requirement that a human must be electrically connected to it, then run a wire from the handle (or metal tripod) to the fingers of the operator. But in no other way can the operator touch the tripod.Hmmm...
That might work if the tripod is insulated. Otherwise it would short direct to ground. I thought the video from the Rangertell site did show some sort of fixture to keep from tilting the Examiner while it was swept back and forth. I need to see if I can find those videos.

Maybe an easier test would be to hold the Examiner against a non-metallic insulated tripod while moving a gold target past it on a string like from a fishing pole.

Best wishes,
J_P

[WM6]

Hmmm...

Maybe an easier test would be to hold the Examiner against a non-metallic insulated tripod while moving a gold target past it on a string like from a fishing pole.

J_P

J_P, maybe you need to upgrade to graphical calculator for your continent.

[Theseus]

Hmmm...
That might work if the tripod is insulated. Otherwise it would short direct to ground. I thought the video from the Rangertell site did show some sort of fixture to keep from tilting the Examiner while it was swept back and forth. I need to see if I can find those videos.

Maybe an easier test would be to hold the Examiner against a non-metallic insulated tripod while moving a gold target past it on a string like from a fishing pole.

Best wishes,
J_P

Well... whatever, but obviously all tilting and/or movement from the operator must be eliminated if the ideomotor effect is to be eliminated from the overall equation. Once that is done, then it is up to the key code and the internal circuitry to move the antenna towards the target. Period!

[J_Player]

J_P, maybe you need to upgrade to graphical calculator for your continent.I have a Casio fx-300ES which seems to have all the same keys plus a solar power panel. This calculator has been certified to produce very accurate calculations in North America. When it was manufactured in China, the parent company from Tokyo apparently had the foresight to install brighter coloured keys and an English instruction manual. I am not sure the electronics inside are identical to the calculator on the Examiner, but I am guessing they are. After all, math works the same in most languages as far as I know.

But I will never know for sure, because the Casio fx-300ES won't fit in the holster for the calculator on the Examiner.

Best wishes,
J_P

[J_Player]

Well... whatever, but obviously all tilting and/or movement from the operator must be eliminated if the ideomotor effect is to be eliminated from the overall equation. Once that is done, then it is up to the key code and the internal circuitry to move the antenna towards the target. Period!Hi Theseus,
Your objective should not be hard to accomplish. The problem with clamps and vices is they cause a short circuit to ground from the handle, thus bypassing the circuit through the body of the user. It shouldn't be too hard to rig up an insulated non-metallic bracket that the user can brace his hand against so it cannot move. Then a second person can walk past with a chunk of gold while we watch to see if the antenna tracks as usual.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Theseus]

Hi Theseus,
.... Then a second person can walk past with a chunk of gold while we watch to see if the antenna tracks as usual.

Best wishes,
J_P

..... as usual, or as advertised and expected?

[Mike(Mont)]

Being the recovering skeptic that I am, I have to wonder why there is no word on the Ranger Tell locator. I'm not even certain the rod was shipped to California, but assuming it was, I suspect it was then shipped to Marshalltown, Iowa.

[Theseus]

Being the recovering skeptic that I am, I have to wonder why there is no word on the Ranger Tell locator. I'm not even certain the rod was shipped to California, but assuming it was, I suspect it was then shipped to Marshalltown, Iowa.

...recovering skeptic...???? What on this green earth would you be skeptical about?

Judging from your input here, it appears you constantly jump from one obscure pseudo-scientific contraption or theory to the next; depending on which occult library book you've just browsed.

If Christopher Hills were alive today, I'm sure he'd be most appreciative of all your support and backing. However, in his absence, no doubt his heirs, who run the business and publish the esoteric musings for people like yourself, are grinning all the way to the bank (with your contributions).

[WM6]

Being the recovering skeptic that I am,

Nice Mike, which software do you use to recover?

[J_Player]

Being the recovering skeptic that I am, I have to wonder why there is no word on the Ranger Tell locator. I'm not even certain the rod was shipped to California, but assuming it was, I suspect it was then shipped to Marshalltown, Iowa.Hi Mike(Mont),
The examiner was not shipped to Iowa. I am in the Los Angeles area, not Iowa. There is no word on the Examiner bcause I have not done any testing on it yet. It has been raining here on and off for the past week, and I can't do any real field testing until the rainy spell stops. The first thing I will be doing is a calibration of the tester to make sure it is functioning properly. I know it will need some fine tuning because of the intermittent operation I observed so far. So far the fine tuning has been difficult. After I am sure it is calibrated to me or whoever else is using it, then the field testing will begin. While the Rangertell instructions don't mention anything about the weather, I suspect it will be easier to get a good adjustment when the air is dry and the ground is not muddy.

At present, I am preparing a web page to keep tract of progress, which will be made public when I am ready to start the first of the field tests. I will make another update after the ground is no longer muddy and no rain in the forecast.

I am also looking for any people in the Los Angeles area who are interested in helping with the testing of the Rangertell Examiner. If anyone would like to try it out or help conduct some tests, send me a PM so we can make arrangements.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Theseus]

Hi Mike(Mont),
The examiner was not shipped to Iowa. I am in the Los Angeles area, not Iowa. There is no word on the Examiner bcause I have not done any testing on it yet. It has been raining here on and off for the past week, and I can't do any real field testing until the rainy spell stops. The first thing I will be doing is a calibration of the tester to make sure it is functioning properly. I know it will need some fine tuning because of the intermittent operation I observed so far. So far the fine tuning has been difficult. After I am sure it is calibrated to me or whoever else is using it, then the field testing will begin. While the Rangertell instructions don't mention anything about the weather, I suspect it will be easier to get a good adjustment when the air is dry and the ground is not muddy.

At present, I am preparing a web page to keep tract of progress, which will be made public when I am ready to start the first of the field tests. I will make another update after the ground is no longer muddy and no rain in the forecast.

I am also looking for any people in the Los Angeles area who are interested in helping with the testing of the Rangertell Examiner. If anyone would like to try it out or help conduct some tests, send me a PM so we can make arrangements.

Best wishes,
J_P

Too bad Mike couldn't come down to your area. That way he could get some of the results firsthand, and he wouldn't have to speculate and skepticize(*) how the testing is being conducted, and in what State of the Union. :D

* skepticize is a word I made up

I'm still wondering why Mike thought the unit would be shipped to Iowa; wasn't the Deliver To Address clear?

[J_Player]

Too bad Mike couldn't come down to your area. That way he could get some of the results firsthand, and he wouldn't have to speculate and skepticize(*) how the testing is being conducted, and in what State of the Union. :D

* skepticize is a word I made up

I'm still wondering why Mike thought the unit would be shipped to Iowa; wasn't the Deliver To Address clear?Hi Theseus,
Mike(Mont) can come here if he wants. Simply send me a PM so I can make arrangements to take the Examiner in the field for all the testing he wants to do. I would suggest he or anyone else who wants to try it out waits a bit until the mud dries.

"Skepticize" sounds like a good word. Kind of like "debunker", but not as funny-sounding. You are correct - if Mike(Mont) comes to try out the Examiner for himself he will have no cause to skepticize because he will have a chance to perform any testing he wants to his own standards. I actually think we would see different test results from Mike(Mont) than from other users who test the Rangertell Examiner.

But even if he does not come to personally test the Examiner, I doubt we will hear much skepticization, considering he does breathing exercises to make his mind still, as a recovering skeptic. I suspect he has already curbed the temptation for skepticization many times by meditating instead of posting.

Best wishes,
J_P

[hipopp]

i'll send you over my wheelbarrow J>P so you can wheel the "Treasure" past the aerial and get a fix. sorry i can't come over personally to carry all the loot around for you. You are doing a good service here to publish results once and for all but it sounds like you have to follow the manufacturers guidelines to achieve a result. Such as poke the found treaure under the nose of the rangertell so it can find it again. i wasted 300 hours on field tests and came to the conclusion i had been massively duped into buying a cheap calculator and aerial that can only find things after they were already found and even then i could switch the thing on and off with my mind...so it is all about muscle activity and nothing to do with the ability of the device to find anything at all. Final!!!! best of luck.

[hipopp]

what i mean is...get some gold or whatever...put it on the ground in front of you...do whatever it takes using whoever's directions to get a fix on the object, this will be easy, the aerial will lock on the target because you "want it to". Then repeat the process telling yourself the gold is not there and the aerial will not lock onto anything. No more needed to do other than that to prove the rangertell examiner is a complete dud. I know you americans do things in a big way but digging up the whole of the Rocky Mountains chasing false signals is a bit over the top. You can do these tests in your own home in five minutes and not even have to go outdoors into the wild. I found the most stressful test to be on the beach. I had some coins buried blind in the sand and the beach being so big i nearly lost them (the coins) because the Rangertell could not find anything because i did not know where they were buried. It was pure luck that i found the exact location of my buried precious two dollars fifty in coin by running my fingers through the sand.

[Qiaozhi]

i'll send you over my wheelbarrow J>P so you can wheel the "Treasure" past the aerial and get a fix. sorry i can't come over personally to carry all the loot around for you. You are doing a good service here to publish results once and for all but it sounds like you have to follow the manufacturers guidelines to achieve a result. Such as poke the found treaure under the nose of the rangertell so it can find it again. i wasted 300 hours on field tests and came to the conclusion i had been massively duped into buying a cheap calculator and aerial that can only find things after they were already found and even then i could switch the thing on and off with my mind...so it is all about muscle activity and nothing to do with the ability of the device to find anything at all. Final!!!! best of luck.

what i mean is...get some gold or whatever...put it on the ground in front of you...do whatever it takes using whoever's directions to get a fix on the object, this will be easy, the aerial will lock on the target because you "want it to". Then repeat the process telling yourself the gold is not there and the aerial will not lock onto anything. No more needed to do other than that to prove the rangertell examiner is a complete dud. I know you americans do things in a big way but digging up the whole of the Rocky Mountains chasing false signals is a bit over the top. You can do these tests in your own home in five minutes and not even have to go outdoors into the wild. I found the most stressful test to be on the beach. I had some coins buried blind in the sand and the beach being so big i nearly lost them (the coins) because the Rangertell could not find anything because i did not know where they were buried. It was pure luck that i found the exact location of my buried precious two dollars fifty in coin by running my fingers through the sand.
There must be many more people who were also duped by this useless contraption, but they are just too embarrassed to admit it.

Thanks hippop for having the courage to pass on your firsthand experience. :thumb:

Now we just need to wait for RangerTell, Hung, Dell, etc., to tell you that you either have a faulty unit (seems to be a lot of these around) :frown:, you're left-handed, not concentrating / meditating / breathing properly, there is interference from micro-gold, or a multitude of other excuses. :lol:

[Theseus]

what i mean is...get some gold or whatever...put it on the ground in front of you...do whatever it takes using whoever's directions to get a fix on the object, this will be easy, the aerial will lock on the target because you "want it to". Then repeat the process telling yourself the gold is not there and the aerial will not lock onto anything. No more needed to do other than that to prove the rangertell examiner is a complete dud. I know you americans do things in a big way but digging up the whole of the Rocky Mountains chasing false signals is a bit over the top. You can do these tests in your own home in five minutes and not even have to go outdoors into the wild. I found the most stressful test to be on the beach. I had some coins buried blind in the sand and the beach being so big i nearly lost them (the coins) because the Rangertell could not find anything because i did not know where they were buried. It was pure luck that i found the exact location of my buried precious two dollars fifty in coin by running my fingers through the sand.

It is truly unfortunate that you actually had to invest your cash in the Examiner to learn that it was nothing but an ideomotor-driven hoax. However, your honest reporting is admirable and "may" even help others who might've been duped by the advertising and false claims (real or implied). I say may, because even though the truth about these scams has been published many times over; there will still be a few that will not get the message or will not believe the truth.

Those poor souls will learn the hard way that all the Ranger-Tell, Dell Winders, Tim Williams, Mike Healey, Bob Fitzgerald, Russ Simmons, Fred Stewart and others pushing similar scams - are cashing in on the natural greed and technically misinformed. This targeted market are generally the more "gullible" and technically-challenged, and/or have more money than smarts and don't care if they throw away their cash. They may be small in number, but it only takes a very few sales at between $500 and $5000 a sale, to keep an LRL scam artist in business.

Bottom line is; these LRL contraptions only find treasure once - when the sucker hands his cash over to the scam artist salesman. After that, the sucker may as well use a bent coat hanger, or random digging; they'll find just as much treasure.

[Fred]

After that, the sucker may as well use a bent coat hanger, or random digging; they'll find just as much treasure.
Actually the coat hanger has the advantage over random digging in that it helps the user´s subconscious to point over a "probable" target location.
Thus the persistence of LRL´s and dowsing business.
IMHO :D

[Theseus]

Actually the coat hanger has the advantage over random digging in that it helps the user´s subconscious to point over a "probable" target location.
Thus the persistence of LRL´s and dowsing business.
IMHO :D

I don't have any actual statistics, but probably there's been about as much treasure found by accident as with a dowsing contraption. Seems like there is always the odd article about somebody digging in their garden and coming up with a little fruit jar cache, secreted by a previous owner. ;)

[Carl-NC]

Actually the coat hanger has the advantage over random digging in that it helps the user´s subconscious to point over a "probable" target location.
Thus the persistence of LRL´s and dowsing business.
IMHO :D

I agree, and I've long said that dowsing rods are nothing but an "intuition indicator."

[Mike(Mont)]

In case you don't know, I own an old model Examiner. I have found gold with it. One time in a city park I found a gold stick pin from about 75 yards had it dug up in about five minutes. The pinpoint was off about 15 inches. Other times I have dug junk metals. I did some modifications, removed the handle, just use the bare metal rod squeezed between my finger tips to feel the torque. It's sensitive. You want to watch out if you adjust the variable cap screw. You don't want to turn it more than about one-third turn. I haven't used it in the field for several years.

[Qiaozhi]

In case you don't know, I own an old model Examiner. I have found gold with it. One time in a city park I found a gold stick pin from about 75 yards had it dug up in about five minutes. The pinpoint was off about 15 inches. Other times I have dug junk metals. I did some modifications, removed the handle, just use the bare metal rod squeezed between my finger tips to feel the torque. It's sensitive. You want to watch out if you adjust the variable cap screw. You don't want to turn it more than about one-third turn. I haven't used it in the field for several years.
Now we just need to wait for RangerTell, Hung, Dell, .....
..... and (of course) Mike Mont .....

..... etc., to tell you that you either have a faulty unit (seems to be a lot of these around) :frown:, you're left-handed, not concentrating / meditating / breathing properly, there is interference from micro-gold, or a multitude of other excuses. :lol:

In other words - the usual purveyors of useless LRL / dowsing equipment ... and their customer. :lol:

[Theseus]

You want to watch out if you adjust the variable cap screw. You don't want to turn it more than about one-third turn. I haven't used it in the field for several years.

Why? What will happen if you adjust the cap screw, say a whole turn?

Gullible, technically-challenged and apparently brainwashed as well.

Mike, do you have any idea what you sound like?

:shocked:

[Mike(Mont)]

My Examiner looks different than the one Carl has. It's not that you will damage the unit if you turn the cap too much, but you risk "losing your place" and anything much more that a third of a turn is going to give you near zero value anyway--at least on the one I have. Of course this won't matter if you can't use the locator in the first place, but it's not a good feeling when you forget which way you turned it.

[Theseus]

My Examiner looks different than the one Carl has. It's not that you will damage the unit if you turn the cap too much, but you risk "losing your place" and anything much more that a third of a turn is going to give you near zero value anyway--at least on the one I have. Of course this won't matter if you can't use the locator in the first place, but it's not a good feeling when you forget which way you turned it.

"...give you near zero value..." ??? :shrug:

It's a little hard to understand how an ideomotor-driven device can have any value at all, zero or not.

Hopefully, J_Player understands what you are referring to, and it will be beneficial information for him.

[Theseus]

My Examiner looks different than the one Carl has. It's not that you will damage the unit if you turn the cap too much, but you risk "losing your place" and anything much more that a third of a turn is going to give you near zero value anyway--at least on the one I have. Of course this won't matter if you can't use the locator in the first place, but it's not a good feeling when you forget which way you turned it.

"...won't matter if you can't use the locator in the first place..." ??? :shrug:

That's interesting; I was under the impression that the locator functioned and worked regardless of who the operator was, or what their mindset was because it worked completely as a function of the internal circuitry and the keycodes plugged into the calculator.

Mike, you make it sound like it is akin to an ordinary dowsing rod, which is driven by and influenced by the operator's mind (conscious and subconscious).

Again, I'm sure J_Player will eventually get to the bottom of this matter.

[J_Player]

"...give you near zero value..." ??? :shrug:

It's a little hard to understand how an ideomotor-driven device can have any value at all, zero or not.

Hopefully, J_Player understands what you are referring to, and it will be beneficial information for him.Hi Theseus,
I understand what Mike(Mont) is saying. The rep from the factory warned in an email not to use the setscrew on bottom except as a last resort. He said if I turn it more than a hair at a time, I may lose my place and not be able to restore the setting that I had originally. This is part of the reason why I expect it will take some time to make an adjustment. Before making any adjustments on this setscrew, I will first need to try several different "gold frequency" calculator values while trying all the settings I can make on the top dial. Then if that doesn't work, I can make some very tiny adjustments on the bottom setscrew and repeat the adjustments with the top dial and different "gold calculator values".

The rain here has stopped. I expect I will be able to make these adjustments outdoors in a couple of days when the mud dries. While I have been waiting, I did open the calculator to see the back where the batteries are changed. It is definitely not the same as my Casio fx-300ES. The circuit board is different, and it has a 2-cell supply that supplies 3 VDC to the processor, where my Casio has only one cell and a solar panel that supply 1.5 VDC to the processor. Just looking at the backs of these two calculators, I can see there are a few extra components on my Casio which probably have to do with the lower voltage supply. My Casio also has more conductors running toward the display than the one sent with the Examiner. The Casio can display up to 15 digits in the top line, while the other only displays 12. I am thinking the two calculators probably don't use the same processor, but they both seem to provide the same functions at the display while showing fewer of the digits.

What does it all mean?
To start with, different processors use different routines to drive dedicated displays that are different sizes. This means the pulse train that occurs in each of these calculators will not be the same, even though the numbers displayed have the same mathematical value. If we consider the Examiner uses the signals that are derived from the pulse trains inside the calculator, then there are two significant differences:

1. The pulse trains are different. Thus, any signal that is inductively coupled to the Examiner will be small a small pulse that can be detected inductively when a calculator clock edge rises or falls. The Casio cannot have the same pulse train regardless what number or function is entered, because part of it's routine is to drive three more digits than the other calculator.

2. The Casio is running at 1/2 the voltage as the other calculator. This means any Casio clock edges have less voltage to send out a signal that can be inductively detected. Picking up an induced signal from clock edges depends on the rise or fall time of the pulses inside the calculator, as well as the amount of current, (which is driven by the voltage). In essence, you pick up induced clock noise strongest when there is a fast movement of current through a conductor that momentarily moves to discharge a from a stored location. And this generally happens strongest and fastest when the voltage is higher. If this is the usual Cmos technology used in low-voltage calculators, the two-cell calculator will have significantly faster clock edges which should produce clock noise that can be detected inductively at a farther distance.

[WM6]

In case you don't know, I own an old model Examiner. I have found gold with it.

I haven't used it in the field for several years.



Why not? Your big mistake, Mike. Can you imagine how many gold finding you missing during this "several years"?

Or maybe gold you found are not genuine? There are many virtual findings between LRL worshipers.

[Mike(Mont)]

J_P, I suggest you practice outdoors away from electrical lines. One of the problems learning to use a locator is it is easy to fixate on the rod when you should be using a soft focus and putting your awareness on the search area. Some people who think they are so intelligent cannot understand this. They want to be in control. When you stare at the rod and use intense concentration, you are overpowering it. Like I said, there is a fine line between gold fever and skepticism. You have to learn to let the rod work without trying to interfere with your mind or your body. Some people might do better with two hands or stabilizing the elbow or forearm with the opposite hand so your arm is somewhat relaxed. Or maybe just support your elbow with you hip. And remember to keep your arm and upper body all as one unit, don't try to freehand it. Go slow, some say move the rod tip three inches per second, no more. Be smooth, don't let the rod bounce more than about a quarter inch. This isn't easy to do and still stay relaxed and not fixate on it.

[Fred]

Mike(Mont), since you have acquired such a high level of knowledge, did you try to dowse without a rod?
I mean, you could concentrate enough to mentally visualise a non-existing L-rod.
That way you could make the perfect instrument, no impaired by any mechanical issues, and you could be a pioneer in "virtual instrument dowsing".

I am thinking about patenting the idea, before Hung steals it...

[Mike(Mont)]

I can find a signal line without rods. I hold my arms out from my sides and relax my wrists so my hands point down somewhat. I call it the scarecrow stance. Then I walk around the transmitter (arms parallel to signal line) until I feel the psychic electricity. I can't pinpoint the target with this method, just the signal line. I use the Revelation Locator Rod. There is no other rod that has as low stiction. It has an extremely low start-up torque threshold that borders on the infinite. Of course it's not, but it's imperceptible.

[Theseus]

J_P, I suggest you practice outdoors away from electrical lines. One of the problems learning to use a locator is it is easy to fixate on the rod when you should be using a soft focus and putting your awareness on the search area. Some people who think they are so intelligent cannot understand this. They want to be in control. When you stare at the rod and use intense concentration, you are overpowering it. Like I said, there is a fine line between gold fever and skepticism. You have to learn to let the rod work without trying to interfere with your mind or your body. Some people might do better with two hands or stabilizing the elbow or forearm with the opposite hand so your arm is somewhat relaxed. Or maybe just support your elbow with you hip. And remember to keep your arm and upper body all as one unit, don't try to freehand it. Go slow, some say move the rod tip three inches per second, no more. Be smooth, don't let the rod bounce more than about a quarter inch. This isn't easy to do and still stay relaxed and not fixate on it.

Holy Molly... Mike, you are making it sound like the Examiner is powered by the error-prone ideomotor effect;

intense concentration
skepticism
interfere with your mind or body
stabilizing the elbow
support your elbow

Isn't the whole intent of the Examiner that it contains special inductive circuitry and special key-codes entered into the calculator for discrimination properties? That way, it works without the need for an ideomotor effect, and works regardless of what the operator is concentrating on, is left-handed, they are skeptical, or any of those other things you mentioned above? :shrug:

If J_P needs to be informed about all the stuff you mentioned above (in order to insure success), I suppose those same admonishments are in the Manual of Operation, and he will read them there. If he does not find them in the Manual, I guess he really needn't concern himself with them. ;)

Unless of course..... the Examiner he is testing is just another dowsing contraption. :D

[Qiaozhi]

Mike(Mont), since you have acquired such a high level of knowledge, did you try to dowse without a rod?
I mean, you could concentrate enough to mentally visualise a non-existing L-rod.
That way you could make the perfect instrument, no impaired by any mechanical issues, and you could be a pioneer in "virtual instrument dowsing".

I am thinking about patenting the idea, before Hung steals it...

I can find a signal line without rods. I hold my arms out from my sides and relax my wrists so my hands point down somewhat. I call it the scarecrow stance. Then I walk around the transmitter (arms parallel to signal line) until I feel the psychic electricity. I can't pinpoint the target with this method, just the signal line. I use the Revelation Locator Rod. There is no other rod that has as low stiction. It has an extremely low start-up torque threshold that borders on the infinite. Of course it's not, but it's imperceptible.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Clearly you are unable to detect sarcasm when you read it.

[Theseus]

Mike(Mont), since you have acquired such a high level of knowledge, did you try to dowse without a rod?
I mean, you could concentrate enough to mentally visualise a non-existing L-rod.
That way you could make the perfect instrument, no impaired by any mechanical issues, and you could be a pioneer in "virtual instrument dowsing".

I am thinking about patenting the idea, before Hung steals it...

Sorry, Fred. Both you and Hung are a little late with the idea of "virtual instrument dowsing".

It is already explained right here....
http://sites.google.com/site/dowsingtruth/Home/device-less-dowsing

[Fred]

Sorry, Fred. Both you and Hung are a little late with the idea of "virtual instrument dowsing".

It is already explained right here....
http://sites.google.com/site/dowsingtruth/Home/device-less-dowsing

:shocked: I´m so sad.
It´s amazing how the wildest ideas have already been seriously presented.
Anyway thanks Thesus, i will dedicate my life to it.

[J_Player]

J_P, I suggest you practice outdoors away from electrical lines. One of the problems learning to use a locator is it is easy to fixate on the rod when you should be using a soft focus and putting your awareness on the search area. Some people who think they are so intelligent cannot understand this. They want to be in control. When you stare at the rod and use intense concentration, you are overpowering it. Like I said, there is a fine line between gold fever and skepticism. You have to learn to let the rod work without trying to interfere with your mind or your body. Some people might do better with two hands or stabilizing the elbow or forearm with the opposite hand so your arm is somewhat relaxed. Or maybe just support your elbow with you hip. And remember to keep your arm and upper body all as one unit, don't try to freehand it. Go slow, some say move the rod tip three inches per second, no more. Be smooth, don't let the rod bounce more than about a quarter inch. This isn't easy to do and still stay relaxed and not fixate on it.Hi Mike(Mont),
I don't know where you get the idea it will be easy to fixate on the rod or put my awareness on the search area. Maybe you are thinking of your habits from your skeptic days?

I have never fixated on the rod or any other thoughts while holding the Examiner in my hand. If it helps you understand, I start by placing a target in an area where I will try a test. Then I look at the area and determine some good places to walk that will take me past the target. Then I put the Examiner in my right hand and hold it steady so it is not swinging, and I walk in the areas I had in mind to walk. During the walking stage, I am not fixating or thinking about anything in particular. Not the rod or the target or the area where I am walking. There is nothing intelligent or controlling in this process. The part of a person's mind that calculates things and controls things is not in use while walking in an area and noticing if a rod swings.

After walking awhile, if I don't notice the Examiner swinging in a manner that makes me feel like it is connecting with the target, I stop walking and start thinking about what to do next. I then think of things like turn the tuning dial a little. Or try a different gold calculator code, or read some more instructions to see if I missed something important. After making adjustments, I stop thinking and go back to walking in the area where the target is.

If you recall, I told you in a previous post there is nothing difficult about this as long as I don't have to remember a lot of stuff while I am operating the Examiner. If I try to do all the stuff you mentioned in your post, then I would be thinking and trying to control the test, just as you cautioned not to do. It makes me wonder how you can find any targets when you are doing all these things. Doesn't it take a lot of precision and a conscious effort to control a rod in the manner you described while you are walking? On top of that you must consciously control your thoughts as you described while making the ground survey. I doubt I could do all that without exercising control instead of just walking and observing without thinking. I wouldn't want to introduce some un-needed controls when trying the Examiner. The kind of control you are suggesting might cause me to unwittingly fixate on things that seem un-natural to me... maybe even fixate on all the stuff I should be doing and not doing, which could be distracting enough to make it hard to do the field testing in an un-biased manner.

The instructions say nothing about taking the measures you suggested. But if all else fails, I will try the things you say I should keep in mind when using the examiner. In fact, I will try all your suggestions at the end of the test program regardless, even if I find success without them.

Because of the recent rains, most of my preliminary testing was indoors. I doubt this is the best condition, considering it is claimed your body acts to complete a ground circuit. Completing a ground circuit can be difficult when you are walking on a wood framed floor raised from the ground. But the ground will be dry enough soon to do some outdoor tests, which I will be doing away from electrical lines.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Mike(Mont)]

Yes, learning to use a rod is similar to learning a golf swing--many things to remember but not think about. Anybody really think they can learn to swing a golf club in twenty minutes? That's why you need to practice until you can do it without thinking about it. That's also why I think many people are not able to learn--they think they are superior and don't need practice. Well, they are wrong on both counts. If you practice, it will come to you. If you listen to the skeptics, it won't. That's my new motto.

[J_Player]

Yes, learning to use a rod is similar to learning a golf swing--many things to remember but not think about. Anybody really think they can learn to swing a golf club in twenty minutes? That's why you need to practice until you can do it without thinking about it. That's also why I think many people are not able to learn--they think they are superior and don't need practice. Well, they are wrong on both counts. If you practice, it will come to you. If you listen to the skeptics, it won't. That's my new motto.Hi Mike(Mont),

The person who appears to think his way is superior is you. I was sent an Examiner from the manufacturer that came with some very specific instructions. I am wondering why I should decide to ignore the factory instructions and follow yours instead. From what I have read in this forum, there are 1300 satisfied customers who used the instructions from the Rangertell factory, and you are the only one who insists your way must be used. And I look at your results... You found a silver target some time ago. This does not seem to compare to the performance Rangertell wrote about his 1300 clients attaining without making modifications or practicing your techniques. Perhaps you can see why I tend to prefer the instructions given by the manufacturer. What would you do if you had to decide which is the correct method? Would you choose the factory method used by 1300 satisfied customers, or the more difficult method by a person who says his way is the right way, yet only found a treasure with it some time ago?

I am not listening to the skeptics. I am listening to the Rangertell factory instructions and doing what they say. I doubt the 1300 satisfied Rangertell clients ever listened to your instructions. I believe they saw the same instructions that I read directly from the Rangertell factory CD. This makes me wonder how 1300 people got it right without doing all the things you say must be done.

Of course, If I listened to skeptics instead of the Rangertell instructions, I wouldn't even try. I would probably throw it in the trash like Clondike-Clad did. Right?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Qiaozhi]

Well, they are wrong on both counts. If you practice, it will come to you. If you listen to the skeptics, it won't. That's my new motto.
What's your old motto? :D

[J_Player]

Holy Molly... Mike, you are making it sound like the Examiner is powered by the error-prone ideomotor effect;

intense concentration
skepticism
interfere with your mind or body
stabilizing the elbow
support your elbow

Isn't the whole intent of the Examiner that it contains special inductive circuitry and special key-codes entered into the calculator for discrimination properties? That way, it works without the need for an ideomotor effect, and works regardless of what the operator is concentrating on, is left-handed, they are skeptical, or any of those other things you mentioned above? :shrug:

If J_P needs to be informed about all the stuff you mentioned above (in order to insure success), I suppose those same admonishments are in the Manual of Operation, and he will read them there. If he does not find them in the Manual, I guess he really needn't concern himself with them. ;)

Unless of course..... the Examiner he is testing is just another dowsing contraption. :DHi Theseus,
It is my understanding that the Examiner is powered by electronics that discriminate targets. It seems to me that what you say is correct. It operates as an electronic detector, not a dowsing rod. But as an electronic detector, part of the circuit is completed by the operator. From what I read about the operation of the Examiner, the connection to ground is completed by a capacitive coupling through the operator's body. However, the polarity of the operator is important in order for the current to flow correctly. According to the information I saw published, left-handed people have different polarity than right-handed. This causes an electronic problem with the locator circuitry. I don't fully understand how this works, but it is a test we can perform to see if it works as was published. I know some left-handed people who can try it to see what happens.

Best wishes,
J_P

[J_Player]

Hi Theseus,
There seems to be a lot of confusion about the Rangertell Examiner. We have Mike(Mont)'s idea of how it should be used, and we have the skeptical viewpoint, and the LRL proponent viewpoint with a lot of different ideas mixing together here. I will try to clear up the confusion by separating the manufacturers concept from all the other ideas we are reading here.

I studied the manual to find exactly how the manufacturer says this LRL works. I find the inventors publish definite descriptions of how it works, as well as definite methods that should be used when operating the Examiner.

To start with, it is not possible to follow the methods the manufacturer specifies if I am using the methods Mike(Mont) says are required. I can use one method or the other, but not both at the same time. I will perform Mike(Mont)'s method after I have completed the manufacturer's techniques in the interest of making a fair test for the manufacturer.

Paraphrasing what I read in the manual, I can explain how the Rangertell factory says it works:
The manual describes the Examiner as an electronic device, not a dowsing device. From what they say it is basically a kind of MFD that is much more precise than other MFDs on the market. The manual states that the target materials you are searching for have their own specific frequencies, and the coil antenna within the Examiner can amplify this frequency once it detects it. The coil antenna within the examiner will detect the target frequency because you set this frequency by entering a number in the calculator. The calculator frequency is then coupled to the antenna within the Examiner by magnetic induction, which transfers this frequency to the antenna circuitry.

The manual goes on to explain how the coils inside the Examiner are sensitive to similar vibrations as the target material, and will resonate when you have the correct numbers for the target entered into the calculator. They also explain the importance of adjusting the tuning dial and setting the antenna length when tuning the Examiner. They caution to not change anything such as removing or adding jewelry, coins, or mobile phones in your pocket after the Examiner has been tuned, because this can degrade the tuning you had arrived at and will require you to tune it again. (I suppose you are best to remove loose change and jewelry before tuning the examiner if you don't want to deal with this problem). Once the Examiner is tuned, magnetic laws govern the disposition of the Examiner to align with the target.

The manual says that a dowser may be able to locate treasures using bent wires, but not nearly as well as with the Examiner. The reason is because the bent wires are not tuned. They pick up all frequencies, similar to an un-tuned broadband receiver that picks up all RF at the same time, while the Examiner is more similar to a finely tuned radio that picks up only one signal and amplifies it. The result is the Examiner will find the target when a dowser cannot. I can quote: "The frequency that the Examiner processes is so fine you cannot possibly go wrong, even if standard L rods refuse to move for you which is a way".

Another thing that should be mentioned is this is not the average MFD according to the manual. The adjustment dial on top can be adjusted to be responsive to different size targets. That is to say, you can tune it to find jewelry stores while ignoring a ring on the ground. Or you can tune it to ignore Jewelry stores and only see ring-sized gold. The buttons pressed on the calculator are also used for selecting sizes and shapes of targets in conjunction with the dial on top. These are the ways the examiner can ignore micro gold that can confuse other MFD users.

Having said all that, I have hopefully given you and others a clearer idea what the Rangertell factory manual says about the Examiner. From what I have discerned they are describing it as an electronic locator which uses magnetic induction to transfer electronic pulses from the calculator to circuitry inside the Examiner. Then the circuitry will begin resonating at an exact frequency as a target you have adjusted it for, and magnetic laws cause the antenna to swing toward the target.

As you can see, the manual describes the Examiner as an electronic machine, not a dowsing machine. The Rangertell manual makes the distinction to show how the electronics will locate treasures that dowsers can miss. But it does seem to use the same kind of "signals" that dowsers claim to use. What is different is they use electronic means to tune these signals. And the operator's body is part of this electronic circuit along with the calculator on top. The manual also makes mention that solar interference can be annoying, but usually does not stop the Examiner from locating a target.


When I am able to make some field tests, we can check to see how well all this works. So far I have made a test to see if I can find any inductive signals coming from the calculator. I found I could pick up a series of pulses when placing a small coil at the back side of the calculator. These pulses could be measured until I moved the coil about 3 cm away from the calculator. I am sure I could detect the pulses farther if I used a more sensitive instrument, but detecting the pulses with a coil confirmed it is possible to send a pulse signal from the calculator inductively into the enclosure of the Examiner. I don't know about any of the other things like resonant frequencies or magnetic laws causing the antenna to swing, but inductive coupling is possible.

Best wishes,
J_P

[WM6]

(I suppose you are best to remove loose change and jewelry before tuning the examiner if you don't want to deal with this problem).

J_P

Dont forget gold prosthesis too.

Thanks for the very clear manual presentation.

[J_Player]

Dont forget gold prosthesis too.

Thanks for the very clear manual presentation.It is interesting to note that the manual says it is ok to have some metal things such as jewelry or coins in your pocket as long as they stay there after the Examiner is tuned. I guess this means the Examiner can detect a gold ring from some distance even when you are wearing a gold ring, or have gold fillings in your teeth. They also advise you to remove your coins and jewelry if you think they are interfering with your best detection. I suppose you can tune out the metal you are carrying by adjusting the dial on top so the Examiner will ignore the stronger signal from the ring on your finger and find the weaker signal of distant gold. For my testing I think I will remove all jewelry and metal things from my pockets, just to be safe so there will be no chance of getting a false signal from things I am carrying.


The ground is beginning to dry here. I may be able to start some outdoor tests in the next few days when I can take time off during the day for it. I may need to wait for the weekend.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Theseus]

J_P, there are obviously many places in the R-T Examiner manual that talk about the importance of the antenna, the length and the tuning by adjusting the antenna length to the various desired frequencies of operation.

From these references, one would have to suppose the antenna is functioning in a manner that is totally electronic in nature; coupling, receiving and transmitting real frequencies. This operation would be completely contrary to the long antenna arm of a simple dowsing rod, which essentially operates as a swinging weight to emphasize and respond to an ideomotor input from the operator. In essence, the long arm of the dowsing rod swings and indicates the force of gravity. (nothing electronic going on at all)

Assuming the antenna on the Examiner is, according to the manual, operating in a totally electronic nature, I would be remiss if I did not point out to you, one very important parameter of short whip antennas.

That is; the maximum signal strength of any antenna of this nature, will always occur at 90 degrees to the physical length dimension of the antenna. In other words, the strongest signal transmitted (or received) will occur broadside to the antenna. Thus, saying that the tip of the antenna of the device is being drawn to the target by magnetic properties, is actually contrary to how the electronic properties of a short whip antenna operate.

Could it be that it is just another indicator of gravity? :lol:

[J_Player]

J_P, there are obviously many places in the R-T Examiner manual that talk about the importance of the antenna, the length and the tuning by adjusting the antenna length to the various desired frequencies of operation.

From these references, one would have to suppose the antenna is functioning in a manner that is totally electronic in nature; coupling, receiving and transmitting real frequencies. This operation would be completely contrary to the long antenna arm of a simple dowsing rod, which essentially operates as a swinging weight to emphasize and respond to an ideomotor input from the operator. In essence, the long arm of the dowsing rod swings and indicates the force of gravity. (nothing electronic going on at all)

Assuming the antenna on the Examiner is, according to the manual, operating in a totally electronic nature, I would be remiss if I did not point out to you, one very important parameter of short whip antennas.

That is; the maximum signal strength of any antenna of this nature, will always occur at 90 degrees to the physical length dimension of the antenna. In other words, the strongest signal transmitted (or received) will occur broadside to the antenna. Thus, saying that the tip of the antenna of the device is being drawn to the target by magnetic properties, is actually contrary to how the electronic properties of a short whip antenna operate.

Could it be that it is just another indicator of gravity? :lol:Hi Theseus,
I am familiar with antenna theory and how a 1/4 wave whip antenna works. Keep in mind that we are looking for targets in the near field, which does not behave the same as far field wave propagation.

Apparently the Examiner is not functioning as a 1/4 wave whip antenna. I can't pretend to understand the exact principle how it functions. But I can tell you how the manufacturer explains it. They recognize there is considerable debate regarding the real explanation for locating power of LRLs in general, as we see in your post. But they consider the answer to be in the physics of magnetic currents, resonant frequency and coil principles e.g. induction. They say the coil antenna within the unit can amplify the frequency of the target once it detects it, provided you have set the target frequency at the calculator. (I presume this is caused by a resonant circuit utilizing a coil inside the Examiner enclosure). On being amplified by the circuitry inside the Examiner the magnetic laws govern its disposition for it to align with the target's direction.

This information is taken from the current Examiner manual. After reading what you are asserting, I can agree that normal RF transmissions behave as you said at far field distances. But the principles explained in the Examiner manual are not exactly describing far field RF transmissions or even near field transmissions. Well, maybe near field, but the principle they explain is not pure RF propagation. You have to wonder about polarization and field strength when looking at the near field effects of a resonant circuit that derives it's power by inductively picking up clocking pulses sensed through the air from a 3 volt calculator. Perhaps some of the power comes from the operator's body charge which is said to be capacitively coupled to the Examiner, and is completing a ground circuit. Or maybe some of the power comes from another source we have not noticed yet.

But there is also a non-RF part of the explanation: "magnetic laws govern its disposition for it to align with the target's direction".

I really don't know how this happens. The antenna is chrome plated brass, and I don't know of any electric currents strong enough to cause the Examiner to swing, regardless of what coils might be inside. All I can say is I don't understand the magnetic laws that cause the Examiner to swing toward the target. Perhaps there is more current moving through some internal coils than I can imagine.

What I see is two elements of operation that I don't understand. But it is clear the principle the Rangertell manual describes is not the same as ordinary 1/4 wave RF reception. And it is not totally electronic in nature, unless you consider the magnetic force and chemical-derived charges from your body to be electronic.

hmmm....
I suppose these are electronic in most ways. Only the "body charge" part is not contained within the Examiner enclosure. So the Examiner cannot function without a live operator holding it in his right hand and standing on the ground according to the Rangertell manual. It seems the Examiner is not a fully contained electronic locator. It requires the addition of a live operator who is usually suitable to complete the electronics. But sometimes the operator won't work correctly (operators who are left-handed or biologically impaired to have the wrong body charge).

This is where the differentiation becomes sketchy to me...
If a human operator holding the Examiner in his right hand is necessary to detect the same signals that dowsers find, then where do we draw the line between dowsing and electronic?

The only answer I can think of that explains how the Examiner is different from dowsing is what I read in the manual, indicating the Examiner serves to tune the antenna to a very precise frequency as opposed to dowsing rods which are not tuned.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Theseus]

Hi Theseus,
I am familiar with antenna theory and how a 1/4 wave whip antenna works. Keep in mind that we are looking for targets in the near field, which does not behave the same as far field wave propagation.

Apparently the Examiner is not functioning as a 1/4 wave whip antenna. I can't pretend to understand the exact principle how it functions. But I can tell you how the manufacturer explains it. They recognize there is considerable debate regarding the real explanation for locating power of LRLs in general, as we see in your post. But they consider the answer to be in the physics of magnetic currents, resonant frequency and coil principles e.g. induction. They say the coil antenna within the unit can amplify the frequency of the target once it detects it, provided you have set the target frequency at the calculator. (I presume this is caused by a resonant circuit utilizing a coil inside the Examiner enclosure). On being amplified by the circuitry inside the Examiner the magnetic laws govern its disposition for it to align with the target's direction.

This information is taken from the current Examiner manual. After reading what you are asserting, I can agree that normal RF transmissions behave as you said at far field distances. But the principles explained in the Examiner manual are not exactly describing far field RF transmissions or even near field transmissions. Well, maybe near field, but the principle they explain is not pure RF propagation. You have to wonder about polarization and field strength when looking at the near field effects of a resonant circuit that derives it's power from induced pulses from a 3 volt calculator. Perhaps some of the power comes from the operator's body charge which is said to be capacitively coupled to the Examiner, and is completing a ground circuit. Or maybe some of the power comes from another source we have not noticed yet.

But there is also a non-RF part of the explanation: "magnetic laws govern its disposition for it to align with the target's direction".

I really don't know how this happens. The antenna is chrome plated brass, and I don't know of any electric currents strong enough to cause the Examiner to swing, regardless of what coils might be inside. All I can say is I don't understand the magnetic laws that cause the Examiner to swing toward the target. Perhaps there is more current moving through some internal coils than I can imagine.

What I see is two elements of operation that I don't understand. But it is clear the principle the Rangertell manual describes is not the same as ordinary 1/4 wave RF reception. And it is not totally electronic in nature, unless you consider the magnetic force and chemical-derived charges from your body to be electronic.

hmmm....
I suppose these are electronic in most ways. Only the "body charge" part is not contained within the Examiner enclosure. So the Examiner cannot function without a live operator holding it in his right hand and standing on the ground according to the Rangertell manual. It seems the Examiner is not a fully contained electronic locator. It requires the addition of a live operator who is usually suitable to complete the electronics, but sometimes won't work (left-handed or biologically impaired people who have the wrong body charge).

This is where the differentiation becomes sketchy to me...
If a human operator holding the Examiner in his right hand is necessary to detect the same signals that dowsers find, then where do we draw the line between dowsing and electronic?

The only answer I can think of to say how the Examiner is different from dowsing is what I read in the manual, indicating the Examiner serves to tune the antenna to a very precise frequency as opposed to dowsing rods which are not tuned.

Best wishes,
J_P

I read your posting over twice before commenting; and it sounds like you are becoming more confused with the techno-babble than I expected you might. Or, if you are not, you are coming across that way. I can appreciate you maintaining an open mind about this test and evaluation, but before we go about changing the known laws of physics and wave propagation to fit into the Examiner paradigm, I think the device needs to prove itself during actual trials.

Facts are facts, and no amount of concocted craziness from the Examiner Manual (written by V. Blanes) will change these things.

Two things are quite immutable; a telescoping whip antenna does not react one way in the short range and a different way in the long range. Second, chrome-plated brass is a non-magnetic material.

In my opinion, further discussion on this thread is probably pointless until you've had a chance to actually get some of the real testing completed. Good Luck... ;)

[J_Player]

I read your posting over twice before commenting; and it sounds like you are becoming more confused with the techno-babble than I expected you might. Or, if you are not, you are coming across that way. I can appreciate you maintaining an open mind about this test and evaluation, but before we go about changing the known laws of physics and wave propagation to fit into the Examiner paradigm, I think the device needs to prove itself during actual trials.

Facts are facts, and no amount of concocted craziness from the Examiner Manual (written by V. Blanes) will change these things.

Two things are quite immutable; a telescoping whip antenna does not react one way in the short range and a different way in the long range. Second, chrome-plated brass is a non-magnetic material.

In my opinion, further discussion on this thread is probably pointless until you've had a chance to actually get some of the real testing completed. Good Luck... ;)Hi Theseus,
I am not confused at all. I said from the start that I can't pretend to understand the exact principle how it functions.
But I can tell you how the manufacturer explains it.

And that is what I did.
It is true, I have not received education in some of the principles I read about in the Examiner manual which seem foreign to me. But just because I am not familiar with all of the principles they explain does not mean the Examiner cannot be demonstrated to work.

The way I see it, the only real test is to see if it finds the treasure or not. If it does, then I don't care if it is a box full of cockroaches or circuit boards packed with gold plated CPUs. If it works for finding treasure, I can use it to bring home the goods without understanding a single thing about how it works. :)


P.S. The weather is clear and the ground is drying. Hopefully I will have time this weekend to get the Examiner checked out as being in good operating condition. I actually haven't done any testing other than an hour or so of indoor tinkering which proved intermittent at best. I think it is necessary to be standing on outdoor ground before you can expect results. My time constraints are because I work during the day and it's hard to take time away from the office. Weekends are best for me to make daytime tests.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Theseus]

J_P said; "The way I see it is the only real test is to see if it finds the treasure or not. If it does, then I don't care if it is a box full of cockroaches or circuit boards packed with gold plated CPUs. If it works for finding treasure, I can use it to bring home the goods without understanding a single thing about how it works. "

I could not agree more.

But if it does not find treasure, that fact needs to be iterated as well.

[WM6]

P.S. The weather is clear and the ground is drying.

J_P

J_P dont allow the soil to dry out too much. This can lead to false examiner results, or you must splitting around before testing.

[hipopp]

the calculator settings, left handed right handed and whether the ground is wet or dry or the position of the aerial has absolutely nothing to do with the examiner being capable of finding anything. Like i said before point it at a known target and the aerial can lock on...then tell yourself that there is nothing there and the device cannot lock onto the target. It is all in the operators head!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! J.Player you are setting yourself up to be duped by the six million reasons why you are doing something wrong in the way you are using the device. Your fault not the device...what baloney. Still have not heard from our sixty minutes program to expose this crock and the twit who has duped 1300 people out of their money. Going to our alternative program ''today tonight".............

[Theseus]

the calculator settings, left handed right handed and whether the ground is wet or dry or the position of the aerial has absolutely nothing to do with the examiner being capable of finding anything. Like i said before point it at a known target and the aerial can lock on...then tell yourself that there is nothing there and the device cannot lock onto the target. It is all in the operators head!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! J.Player you are setting yourself up to be duped by the six million reasons why you are doing something wrong in the way you are using the device. Your fault not the device...what baloney. Still have not heard from our sixty minutes program to expose this crock and the twit who has duped 1300 people out of their money. Going to our alternative program ''today tonight".............

I don't believe J_P is going to be fooled by anything of an LRL nature, especially the R-T Examiner. I think he is trying very hard to give the Examiner every chance to do exactly what it is advertised to do; to find treasure and allow the operator to recover it.

If it turns out the Examiner equates to nothing more than another dowsing rod that merely responds to the intuition and best guessing of the operator; I'm confident J_P will make this fact known to all of us. :D

[J_Player]

I don't believe J_P is going to be fooled by anything of an LRL nature, especially the R-T Examiner. I think he is trying very hard to give the Examiner every chance to do exactly what it is advertised to do; to find treasure and allow the operator to recover it.

If it turns out the Examiner equates to nothing more than another dowsing rod that merely responds to the intuition and best guessing of the operator; I'm confident J_P will make this fact known to all of us. :DHi Theseus,
You are correct.
I will be observing tests performed, and recording the results. I will take note of the details of each test and report these so others can see what I see. This isn't the same as being here live in person, but it's the next best thing. Come to see for yourself if you want to make your own test and watch others try it.

I have a feeling others will be performing most of the tests, and I will only be watching. Part of the reason is I want videos to show, and I will end up holding the camera insted of operating the Examiner. The other reason is because I got inconsistent results so far in my preliminary tests, while others seem to do better. Maybe I am biologically impaired with a weak body charge or something. I don't know why for sure. If the testing program becomes controversial, it could also be said I am intentionally or subconsciously biasing the performance of the Examiner by the way I hold it or by carrying things in my pockets, etc. I would rather keep the tests less controversial and conduct tests from the best operators I can get to see what kind of response we can get.

I did get a chance to do some preliminary tests this weekend to check if the Examiner is working correctly. The weather was clear and the ground was dry enough to try it out away from the city and power lines. I was getting intermittent results the same as my initial try that was done indoors, but I had a volunteer who did better. I have sent a report of this test to Rangertell to see if they feel it shows the Examiner is working properly. If they say yes, then I can publish the results of the test and proceed to begin the test and demonstration program to report all the tests events. My website is already up, but I will not make it public until I get an ok from Rangertell that the Examiner is working correctly so we can start the tests.

I will report back about this as soon as I hear from Rangertell.


P.S.
If anyone wants to try the Rangertell Examiner in the Los Angeles area from Santa Barbara to the Mexican border, or even into Nevada or Arizona, send me a PM. We can set a time and place.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Theseus]

J_Player...

Any progress or preliminary findings to report on the testing of the Examiner? How about the website where the results and videos will be published? Is it roughed out yet?

I hope we will see some periodic and intermediate findings and reports before you complete all the testing and reach a final conclusion. :)

[J_Player]

J_Player...

Any progress or preliminary findings to report on the testing of the Examiner? How about the website where the results and videos will be published? Is it roughed out yet?

I hope we will see some periodic and intermediate findings and reports before you complete all the testing and reach a final conclusion. :)Hi Theseus,
There are no test results I can report yet. I am waiting for a reply from Rangertell after they review the results of our preliminary testing to confirm the Examiner is functioning correctly. As soon as I get an email back from them that it is working correctly, I will post the results of the initial tests, and the formal testing program will begin.

The website is up and a journal is posted that keeps tract of the the events that happend during the Examiner test program from the day I received the Examiner. There are photos and some lab tests and reports in various sections of the site, but the content will remain sparse until after the test and demonstration program starts -- After I receive a confirmation that the Examiner is working properly.
When this time comes, I will make the website public and open the testing to the general public for anyone interested in coming to try the Examiner out for themselves or watch others try it out. Your test request is already posted on the page that lists tests requested, along with others from the Geotech forum.

I agreed not to make any public tests or post test data until after the Examiner was checked to be working correctly. So for now, I wait for a reply from Rangertell to go ahead or not. The delay came when Rangertell had trouble downloading files I sent them that showed the initial tests. This was just before Christmas, and I suspect they are caught up in holiday activities like everyone else. I suppose they will get back to me as soon as they have the time to get to it. I will be emailing them to see if they finally got all my downloads and have made a determination of whether the Examiner is working properly.

I forsee the serious testing will start in January if I get a green light from Rangertell.

Best wishes,
J_P

[WM6]

I forsee the serious testing will start in January if I get a green light from Rangertell.

J_P

What about flashing yellow? Will stop you?

[J_Player]

What about flashing yellow? Will stop you?I have done all the testing I am permitted to do until I see green. If I were to continue when only yellow, then all testing would be claimed invalid, and a waste of time. I have better things to do than making invalid tests, so I do important things like coding web pages, polishing gold statues, studying science and making Geotech forum posts.
(No watching TV, no checking football scores, no nose-picking). :rolleyes:

Best wishes,
J_P

[WM6]

I think we all support your efforts.

[Jim]

I have done all the testing I am permitted to do until I see green. If I were to continue when only yellow, then all testing would be claimed invalid, and a waste of time. I have better things to do than making invalid tests, so I do important things like coding web pages, polishing gold statues, studying science and making Geotech forum posts.
(No watching TV, no checking football scores, no nose-picking). :rolleyes:

Best wishes,
J_P

With all due respect...your tests will be claimed invalid if the results are not in favor of this gimmick...regardless if you follow scientific protocol or not.

That's just my opinion, of course

[J_Player]

With all due respect...your tests will be claimed invalid if the results are not in favor of this gimmick...regardless if you follow scientific protocol or not.

That's just my opinion, of courseYou might be right about that. I don't know because I haven't done any real tests yet. So far there have only been a couple of preliminary unofficial tests. I have also done a couple of electronic bench tests I can make public when I have confirmation the Examiner is working ok.

But I plan to avoid making lots of invalid field tests. I will only be making a very few test of my own. I basically will try it out, and if I get the feeling it is helping me find treasures, I will buy it. Most of the real testing will be done by other people who volunteer to try out the Examiner. This will give us a good cross section of a lot of different people with different backgrounds to check the performance of the Examiner. There won't be any one person who does all the testing to invalidate it.

From the preliminary unofficial tests, I observed others do better than me at locating gold so far. So I figure I should stay in the background as an observer who records the results rather than exposing the Examiner to my poor performance compared to others. This will leave me free to make close observations and record how the LRL is performing, while practicing up on breathing exercizes that Mike(Mont) recommends to get better performance. Maybe I will become as good as others using the Examiner after observating their methods, and after enough practice with breathing exercizes.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Theseus]

...From the preliminary unofficial tests, I observed others do better than me at locating gold so far...

Best wishes,
J_P

I think, from your statement above, you have just released some unofficial results.

Apparently, someone, other than yourself, WAS successful at getting the Examiner to point to the exact location of some type of hidden gold target. Further, the inference is that these operators were successful at doing this under strict double-blind protocol (if not D-B, than why not?), which means their success rate was significantly better than what could be expected from Chance Guessing.

Wow!!!!

If this is not what happened or this is not what you meant to infer, please clarify what you observed and how it was conducted.

Also, I thought the Examiner worked on principles that totally eliminated operator characteristics and traits. Why then would you not be able to obtain the same results as some other operator or operators, when fairly tested?

[WM6]

. Iif I get the feeling it is helping me find treasures, I will buy it.





I hope that once you have accumulated gold with rangertell, you will not forget us poor forum man's.

[Qiaozhi]

I hope that once you have accumulated gold with rangertell, you will not forget us poor forum man's.
:D Good idea!

I can accept payment by Paypal, or you can transfer directly into my bank account. :thumb:

[J_Player]

I think, from your statement above, you have just released some unofficial results.

Apparently, someone, other than yourself, WAS successful at getting the Examiner to point to the exact location of some type of hidden gold target. Further, the inference is that these operators were successful at doing this under strict double-blind protocol (if not D-B, than why not?), which means their success rate was significantly better than what could be expected from Chance Guessing.

Wow!!!!

If this is not what happened or this is not what you meant to infer, please clarify what you observed and how it was conducted.

Also, I thought the Examiner worked on principles that totally eliminated operator characteristics and traits. Why then would you not be able to obtain the same results as some other operator or operators, when fairly tested?Hi Theseus,

I don't know the reason why I didn't get the same results as others. According to what is written in the product literature, it could be caused by a biological deficiency in body charge. Or if I go by Mike(Mont)'s posts instead, it could have to do with breathing practices and mind control. Bottom line... I don't know. It is only an observation I made.

I meant exactly what I said. Nothing more.
I made no inference. Only a reader can infer things I did not say. If we go by the inferences you made and typed in your post, we would get a distorted view of what happened so far. This can be expected because I intentionally did not tell the details of the preliminary test conditions, or the exact results.

These were preliminary tests that are unofficial. The preliminary tests that were performed were simple tests suggested by the manufacturer to help rule out damaged sample unit. They are not intended to prove anything about the performance of the product. They are intended only to help the manufacturer ascertain whether the sample he sent was damaged in shipment or not. The preliminary tests were not done in any controlled conditions other than making adjustments to the Examiner and setting the test stage according to the manufacturer's suggestions. The exact test procedure to check for a malfunctioning Examiner was done in conditions that would probably be considered unsuitable for proof by scientific testing standards. This is the reason they are unofficial. The tests were not intended for testing the accuracy of the Examiner or it's ability to pass any contest percentages.

When I say others did better than me, you can infer whatever you want to think it means about the test conditions or percentages. The facts are that it was observed to point to treasure at some times when I tried it as well as when others tried it. I think under the circumstances of the preliminary testing, anyone would be able to observe it point at treasure some of the time. I suppose you are wondering how much of the time more than random did it point to the target? This is what I won't say until the Examiner is confirmed to be functioning correctly. But regardless of what the answer is, it has little to do with what results will be seen when actual testing is conducted. The fact is there was no scientifically controlled test method used to determine the accuracy of the Examiner yet.

The reason why I am not performing double blind testing at this point is because the testing program has not started yet, and will not start until I have a confirmation from Rangertell that the sample he sent is functioning correctly. This was the agreement I made. It is also the reason I am not talking about the details of the preliminary tests we ran until I get an OK from Rangertell.

Instead of inferring test conditions and arriving at speculative conclusions that have not been shown to be true, I suggest you wait until the test program starts, and then come to watch the actual testing and even perform your own tests done in the ways you feel are impeccable to satisfy you that it is properly tested. If you are here to oversee the tests you want done, then there can be no inferences to draw, because your tests will be definitive.

I am not anxious to form conclusions about what the tests will show until all the testing program is done. I don't think I could make accurate field test observations if I prejudge the performance and have any particular expectations of what I will observe. I don't intend to prove it works or not. I will let others do that. If I see it doesn't work, then a large number of people will have proved it to me. But if I see it working and finding treasure, then others will prove that to me as well. This way, I can see the best of the skeptics show me how it does not work, and the best of the LRL enthusiasts show me how it does. There will also be a number of volunteers who have no opinion of whether it should be able to work or not. When the last test is done, then I can decide what I want to conclude.

And this is the reason why you are best to try it yourself, so you don't need to rely on secondhand information from someone who might have an axe to grind. The best we can do for people who do not make thier own tests live is to try to conduct tests according to the instructions we get. No guarantees it can be done exactly as you would do it in every way.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Dell Winders]

In my years of Field experience,I find that no LRL, of any manufacture works all the time. They only work when the target 'Strength of Field" is sufficient.

When Magnetic interference occurs, the target SOF, is diminished and the LRL will not respond accurately, or not at all. This is a fact. Dell

[J_Player]

In my years of Field experience,I find that no LRL, of any manufacture works all the time. They only work when the target 'Strength of Field" is sufficient.

When Magnetic interference occurs, the target SOF, is diminished and the LRL will not respond accurately, or not at all. This is a fact. DellHi Dell,

You are invited to come and test out the Examiner and see for yourself. You can even bring some of your other treasure tools along and see how they compare. I can put it all on video if you want. But you will need to wait until I get the ok to start from Rangertell.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Theseus]

Hi Theseus,

...The preliminary tests that were performed were simple tests suggested by the manufacturer to help rule out damaged sample unit. They are not intended to prove anything about the performance of the product.
Best wishes,
J_P

Okay. Got no problem with that.

You did not say that in your original post. You said; "a couple of preliminary unofficial tests". The reader is left to make their own inferences as to how they were conducted and why.

Just my opinion, but probably those sorts of "checks" should not have been called tests, and would no doubt have been better left unmentioned on this thread. ;) That way there would be no confusion from us "readers" who are not privy to all the information you have, and can only go on what you are posting (or not posting).

I'm just guessing now... but I suppose the preliminary "checks" were not conclusive as to IF you have a faulty unit or not; and that is why you are waiting for Vincent (R-T) to give you the official go-ahead. Seems like he has had ample time to make that determination... but maybe not.

Yes, I really wish I could travel to your location and try the device for myself. However, my financial resources and time constraints will not allow me that luxury. I'll just have to rely on whatever information you make public; if and when that occurs. ;)

[Theseus]

In my years of Field experience,I find that no LRL, of any manufacture works all the time. They only work when the target 'Strength of Field" is sufficient.

Dell

What an incredible convenient "backdoor" excuse for it not working. :lol: :lol: :lol:

And, exactly how are you measuring this target strength of field, so that you can reliably claim that the target strength of field is at fault, and not the LRL contraption? :D :D :D

Never mind... that was a rhetorical question.