Restoration-mods. old pistols

[Esteban]

One was restored. The other need reverse engineering and some cleaning and paint. :)

[aft_72005]

Hi Esteban
Please more explain about both.

[Esteban]

Hi Esteban
Please more explain about both.

The restored is a type off-resonance and radio type. The other is a BFO and an optic system... The dissambled wich need restoration/mods is years 70s and begining 80s.

[aft_72005]

The restored is a type off-resonance and radio type. The other is a BFO and an optic system... The dissambled wich need restoration/mods is years 70s and begining 80s.


Are you know ,What found with both?

[Esteban]

Are you know ,What found with both?

I saw in functionment since 1979 and found many things with similar. There are "1,000 variations" or small mods. One use FM transmitter, other no... etc.

[Esteban]

Dissambled. New circuits will be inside, but based on old schematics.

[Geo]

The dissambled wich need restoration/mods is years 70s and begining 80s.

Hi Esteban.
If you are boring to restore it.... i can make it for you :lol::lol:

Regards:)

[detectoman]

hola esteban veo que esa pistola es igual a la que usaba tu primo en texas, dime por favor que desventajas tiene en comparacion con las otras nuevas que has dise/nado, y dime si compite con ellas en estabilidad discriminacion y rango, te envio un abrazo inventor de stuff increibles
hello staban i see this pistol semms how your cousin handed in texas city, say me please what advantages or vantages has in comparation whit the other new of your what you today build, y same is comparable whit these in stablility and discrimination and range, i see this may be is bfo and fm, ist true? i send to you one embrace of your friend in hobby detectoman
p.d my congratulations

[Esteban]

hola esteban veo que esa pistola es igual a la que usaba tu primo en texas, dime por favor que desventajas tiene en comparacion con las otras nuevas que has dise/nado, y dime si compite con ellas en estabilidad discriminacion y rango, te envio un abrazo inventor de stuff increibles
hello staban i see this pistol semms how your cousin handed in texas city, say me please what advantages or vantages has in comparation whit the other new of your what you today build, y same is comparable whit these in stablility and discrimination and range, i see this may be is bfo and fm, ist true? i send to you one embrace of your friend in hobby detectoman
p.d my congratulations

Is similar that the pistol used in Texas in the begining of the 80s.

Es similar a la usada en Texas al principio de los 80.

[Esteban]

Hi Esteban.
If you are boring to restore it.... i can make it for you :lol::lol:

Regards:)

:lol:
Thanks very much!

Regards

[Geo]

:lol:
Thanks very much!

Regards

When you are ready tell me to give you my address :lol:

After 2 hours i will go to test the TDi and 2... 3 pistols.
I will inform abour results

Regards:)

[Esteban]

Circuits that replaces the olds.

[raff33]

hi esteban
nice work

[detectoman]

congratulations estaban, i see, in new model, for pistol, whit the best implementation, sems how pd circuits, low consume, most stability simplified, major materials what antique, less transistor more range power, transistor hig gain, low consume, sound efficient and economic, compact, efective sistem regulation, good spacied complement, in conclusion one simple jewel own of you experence, i understand at little your idea is very good, one embrace, you is one machine for make, how much models have your of lrls? may be hundreds

[Esteban]

Raff33, thanks.

Hi Detectoman.

Double receiver, magnetic and optic. Stability is exceptional, switching open and closed. During interval of open is enable for to enter the desirable signal, and this deppend of the timing.

[Esteban]

Optic parts

[Max]

funny tons of BS, as always!:D

[detectoman]

guag, esteban i understand, infrared., oscilation whit pause for detection intermitent, boostered, hibrid rx soported, one true jewel own of your experence, my congratulation tu vas tras de los pasos de alonso, y cuando la pistola de vision directa subterranea? jaja, may be one beat of x rays and old panasonic camera and infrared, ya te volaste" inventor! un abrazote

[Esteban]

guag, esteban i understand, infrared., oscilation whit pause for detection intermitent, boostered, hibrid rx soported, one true jewel own of your experence, my congratulation tu vas tras de los pasos de alonso, y cuando la pistola de vision directa subterranea? jaja, may be one beat of x rays and old panasonic camera and infrared, ya te volaste" inventor! un abrazote

Hola Detectoman, esto va a llevar bobina, usa los circuitos de esta máquina. Inside the restored pistol, the circuits and coil of this pistol 2009:

[Astrodetect]

Hello Esteban
Do you mean that this Pistol with magnetic receiver + optics is MAGNETIC+INFRARED?

[Esteban]

Hello Esteban
Do you mean that this Pistol with magnetic receiver + optics is MAGNETIC+INFRARED?

Is magnetic and photoelement.

[detectoman]

a ya sensor fotoelectrico como el de los elevadores?

[Dell Winders]

Hi Estaban & Hung. This may be of some interest to you. Dell

http://thunting.com/smf/black_box_technologies/mfd-t9141.0.html

[Qiaozhi]

Hi Estaban & Hung. This may be of some interest to you. Dell

http://thunting.com/smf/black_box_technologies/mfd-t9141.0.html

:cry: "WHAT DOESN'T WORK, CANNOT BE MADE TO WORK." :cry:

[hung]

Hi Estaban & Hung. This may be of some interest to you. Dell

http://thunting.com/smf/black_box_technologies/mfd-t9141.0.html

Very interesting Dell.

Since you claim not being an electronics expert, did you have any help in conducting those tests?

Also, you said that in one of your surveys an oscope and some meters were used. Were you able for instance to determine the frequencies of different metals/substances signal lines with the oscope?

Would you post the pictures of your MFDs?

Regards.

[Theseus]

Very interesting Dell.

Since you claim not being an electronics expert, did you have any help in conducting those tests?

Also, you said that in one of your surveys an oscope and some meters were used. Were you able for instance to determine the frequencies of different metals/substances signal lines with the oscope?

Would you post the pictures of your MFDs?

Regards.

Oh no... not those doctored up Photoshop pictures of "signal lines" again. Please spare us.....

[Dell Winders]

:???: Hung, the photos are on the link I posted. Left click on the photo to enlarge them.


Theseus, you are an excellent example of W.I.S. :lol: :lol: :lol:

[J_Player]

...the photos are on the link I posted. Left click on the photo to enlarge them.Ummm, Dell....
These photos look like the Vernell VR-800 and the Dell VR-800.
Hmmmm... aren't the frequency discrimination electronics inside these units the same as the electronics that you used to find coins hidden in the sand for Randi?

Aren't they the same kind of electronics that you used at the beach when you said "conditions deteriorated", and then later claimed that Randi lied about the test results, and you claimed you really did find the hidden coins that Randi says you failed at? :???:


Best wishes,
J_P

[hung]

:???: Hung, the photos are on the link I posted. Left click on the photo to enlarge them.

Dell, I forgot that I had to log in to see the pictures. It's been a while since my last visit to that forum and I also took the time to reply one post.

Anyway, I asked you about the oscope because if done properly, you are able to determine the different frequencies.

All the best.

[Theseus]

Dell, I forgot that I had to log in to see the pictures. It's been a while since my last visit to that forum and I also took the time to reply one post.

Anyway, I asked you about the oscope because if done properly, you are able to determine the different frequencies.

All the best.

Yeah, Dell... he asked you about the oscope pictures. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

....no where to run to, no where to hide...

[Dell Winders]

Anyway, I asked you about the oscope because if done properly, you are able to determine the different frequencies.

When turned on the oscilloscope would show a straight line across the screen.

The antenna was directional. When the antenna was rotated and aligned with the target, the audio would buzz, the meter would deflect, and the line across the oscilloscope screen would change from straight to jagged.

Dell

[Dell Winders]

Ummm, Dell....
These photos look like the Vernell VR-800 and the Dell VR-800.
Hmmmm... aren't the frequency discrimination electronics inside these units the same as the electronics that you used to find coins hidden in the sand for Randi?

Aren't they the same kind of electronics that you used at the beach when you said "conditions deteriorated", and then later claimed that Randi lied about the test results, and you claimed you really did find the hidden coins that Randi says you failed at?


Best wishes,
J_P

Absolutely not! Those units never existed at that time. That's Carl, and Randi's lie, for which they have never apologized for. Dell

[J_Player]

Absolutely not! Those units never existed at that time. That's Carl, and Randi's lie, for which they have never apologized for. DellOh.
I thought the basic 555 timer/oscillator circuits used in the VR-800 existed a few years before they were released as production circuits for consumers. It seems likely you would have used the same circuits during the Randi tests. But I guess I was wrong, and you used a different kind of circuit during those tests in the sand.

So what kind of circuits did you use at the time?

Best wishes.
J_P

[Theseus]

When turned on the oscilloscope would show a straight line across the screen.

The antenna was directional. When the antenna was rotated and aligned with the target, the audio would buzz, the meter would deflect, and the line across the oscilloscope screen would change from straight to jagged.

Dell

So, NO properties of discrimination. Hardly the same thing that a dowsing rod responds to, so saying that you electronically metered the same thing that the dowsing rods indicate is a total falsehood. Not surprising! :nono:

[Dell Winders]

W.I.S. :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Theseus]

W.I.S. :lol: :lol: :lol:

w.b.w.t.t.w.i.d.s.t.a.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Qiaozhi]

W.I.S. :lol: :lol: :lol:

w.b.w.t.t.w.i.d.s.t.a.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
:cry:"W.D.W.C.B.M.T.W.":cry:

[Esteban]

In process. Old housings are painted. Some changes made.

[WM6]

Hi Esteban, you violate dr. Best copyright.

[Astrodetect]

Esteban I wanted to ask you what is the difference between off resonance and BFO?
Thanks

[Qiaozhi]

Esteban I wanted to ask you what is the difference between off resonance and BFO?
Thanks
Hi Astrodetect,

BFO and Off-resonance detectors are closely related, as they both rely on a metal target causing the TX oscillator to shift in frequency. In the BFO the TX signal is mixed with the output from a second internal oscillator (known as the local oscillator) to produce a beat frequency in the audio range. When the TX frequency changes, the audo note also changes. However, in the Off-resonance detector, the TX output is fed into a tuned circuit that is tuned off-resonance. The output of this circuit gives an amplitude change which can be used to trigger an audio output or a meter. So the only "audible" difference is that the BFO has a constant threshold tone that changes in frequency, whereas the Off-resonance detector can be silent search and only beeps when a certain threshold is reached. They both have about the same sensitivity to metal targets.

[Astrodetect]

Thanks Qiaozhi for your explanation. Does anybody have a complete schematic for a stable off resonance detector here?
Thanks again

[Qiaozhi]

Thanks Qiaozhi for your explanation. Does anybody have a complete schematic for a stable off resonance detector here?
Thanks again
Here's a good place to start -> http://www.geotech1.com/pages/metdet/projects/rakes_cc/rakes0_150.pdf

[detectoman]

these vlf circuit of rakes, whit ic lm1458, i use for succes two box is not critic and very stable, put 150 turns wire may be cal. 28 or 29, or other, too put one simple oscilator one transistor, how tx put here large capacitor tubular old, very basic, 150 turns and voila

[Esteban]

Circuits inside.

[aventurier]

HI Esteban

can you help to made this detecter and give we all instructions & schematic? thx

[Funfinder]

Why you sceptics make it so complicated:

take this LRL stuff to some real scientific test and if it doesn't work sue the producer for fraud! And the same should be done with so called sensitive persons, parapsychic guys and fortune tellers!

[raff33]

HI Esteban

can you help to made this detecter and give we all instructions & schematic? thx

hi aventurier,
it is a long time i did't see any reply of esteban in this forum.............;ok i sent you 2 messages to your hotmail why did't reponse ?

[J_Player]

Why you sceptics make it so complicated:

take this LRL stuff to some real scientific test and if it doesn't work sue the producer for fraud! And the same should be done with so called sensitive persons, parapsychic guys and fortune tellers!What skeptics have made it complicated?

Nobody who produces LRLs has agreed to take their products for any kind of test that resembles scientific except for a few isolated incidents in which the LRL failed. There are several scientific tests available where any producer of LRLs can have their product tested for free. But no producers will send their product to be tested. As far as I have seen, no producers of LRLs has conducted their own scientific test either.

Since skeptics don't produce non-working LRLs, they don't have them on hand for testing. This does not seem complication to understand.
The people who do manufacture LRLs do not permit them to be tested in a scientific test. This does not seem complicated to understand either.

I have an LRL on loan which is ready for any kind of test by any skeptic or non skeptic. So far, all people who tried could not find any good results with it. The invitations to anyone who wants to try it have shown there are no so-called "sensitive" persons who are willing to test it either.

The only complication I can see is people don't want to admit that nobody who believes LRLs work is willing to allow their LRLs to be tested in a scientific test. This is not hard to observe after reading this forum and other LRL forums. Yet we see people pretending things are complicated to understand, and blaming it on skeptics.

The fact is it is not complicated. Let the owners of LRLs who want people to believe they work show some scientific tests to demonstrate that their claims are true. I haven't ever seen that happen.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Morgan]

HI Esteban

can you help to made this detecter and give we all instructions & schematic? thx


Hi

Unfortunatly it seems Esteban become with serious eye problems.
Hope he recover soon.

13602

[J_Player]

Hi

Unfortunatly it seems Esteban become with serious eye problems.
Hope he recover soon.

13602Yes,
Hoping for the best for Esteban's recovery. We all miss him.

Best wishes,
J_P

[aventurier]

Hi

Unfortunatly it seems Esteban become with serious eye problems.
Hope he recover soon.

13602


Hope he recover soon,god icaver

[aft_72005]

Also I hoping , best health for Esteban

[raff33]

Also I hoping , best health for Esteban
realy we miss him ,i hope best health for

[humhum]

Best health for Esteban

[Funfinder]

What skeptics have made it complicated?

Nobody who produces LRLs has agreed to take their products for any kind of test that resembles scientific except for a few isolated incidents in which the LRL failed. There are several scientific tests available where any producer of LRLs can have their product tested for free. But no producers will send their product to be tested. As far as I have seen, no producers of LRLs has conducted their own scientific test either.

Since skeptics don't produce non-working LRLs, they don't have them on hand for testing. This does not seem complication to understand.
The people who do manufacture LRLs do not permit them to be tested in a scientific test. This does not seem complicated to understand either.

I have an LRL on loan which is ready for any kind of test by any skeptic or non skeptic. So far, all people who tried could not find any good results with it. The invitations to anyone who wants to try it have shown there are no so-called "sensitive" persons who are willing to test it either.

The only complication I can see is people don't want to admit that nobody who believes LRLs work is willing to allow their LRLs to be tested in a scientific test. This is not hard to observe after reading this forum and other LRL forums. Yet we see people pretending things are complicated to understand, and blaming it on skeptics.

The fact is it is not complicated. Let the owners of LRLs who want people to believe they work show some scientific tests to demonstrate that their claims are true. I haven't ever seen that happen.

Best wishes,
J_P

I agree and you're right, usually the producer has to proof his product really works.

But it seems with LRL we are entering some kind of "shadow-land" like with esoteric, dowsing and magic stuff so the consumer has to be protected.

Either he protects himself by not beliefing claims until personal thorough investigation or the law-enforcment has to protect citizens what is it's job!

There is no problem buying really fully functionable cars, tvs, computers, dvd-players, game-consoles (those are especially extra high functionable and durable because they wanna sell alot games to happy playstation etc. owners) and other stuff so why psyeudo-electronical sh*t should has the right to contaminate the market???

Every food-producer or restaurant has to have a licence for going shure the consumer's health remains as save as possible.

There is absolutly no tolerance in understanding that such "miracle boxes" like Mineoro should be impossible for scientific tests. Because they don't consist of miraculous innards but just "simple" electronic-circuits.

And it is well know what those circuits are suppused to do.

Electronic is no occult science and the needed circumstances for metal detection are know, otherwise such a device would be of no use at all.

And those LRL-companies are no big firms like military or weapon industry so they would have a big lobby. If they are producing nonworking crap and rob 1000s of dollars or euros etc. from their deceived victims they have to get sentenced and punished for this evil crime! No matter if those are "dreamers", "genius" or "worldsavers" or whatever.

And if those companys are not willing to scientifally test their expensive stuff on their own they have to be forced otherwise they can shut down their production once and for all! In what world we are living?

the result of all this inconsequent acting are persons like gaucho1961 that dig large holes for nothing, paying a high price for not reliable detectors and hard working hole digging expeditions!


It is really good this forum does something against such problems but it's not enough. btw. it's irresponsible and helping covering a crime if somebody who has insider information holding this back so other naive persons get trapped by the oh so shine LRL announcements. I also hope Esteban get's back his health soon but I also hope further he will inform us technically real detailed so this unbearable and silly "does it work or does it not work"-hickmack stops and finally we get scientific provable and in deed working LRL devices!