Large Gold Hoard Found

[Theseus]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/09/24/staffordshire.uk.gold.hoard/index.html

Interesting article. Large gold hoard found; not with LRL, but with a cheap old MD bought probably at a garage sale.

Wonder how all that gold escaped undetected all these years with so many LRLs in existence? ;)

[WM6]

Wonder how all that gold escaped undetected all these years with so many LRLs in existence? ;)



You know, unproper air humidity, too much tractor vibration, disturbing cow voices, too much gold in the same place, etc. and LRL go out of work.

[Dell Winders]

The answer is obvious. I don't have any LRL customers in England. Dell

[Mike(Mont)]

It's true there are a large number of dowsers in Great Britian. Just knowing how to dowse or use an LRL is not going to get you access to private property.

The guy said he had some feeling about it beforehand. I know the skeptic response to that--"They always say that". He found it, that's what counts,and he obviously didn't have a negative attitude.

[J_Player]

It's true there are a large number of dowsers in Great Britian. Just knowing how to dowse or use an LRL is not going to get you access to private property.

The guy said he had some feeling about it beforehand. I know the skeptic response to that--"They always say that". He found it, that's what counts,and he obviously didn't have a negative attitude.Yup, sounds right to me....
It's kinda like the guy who wins the lottery. He says he had a good feeling about it beforehand when he bought his ticket.
Hmmmm.... didn't all the of the lottery losers have a good feeling about it too? I guess they did, cause millions of losers bought tickets too.

...I guess we just haven't heard yet from all the dowsers who had some feeling about it beforehand when they dug an empty hole. :rolleyes:

Best wishes,
J_P

[Mike(Mont)]

Is there an echo in here?

[Fred]

Is there an echo in here?
No, it is a trick of the mind :lol:

[Qiaozhi]

No, it is a trick of the mind :lol:
Damn ... you beat me to it! :lol:

[Theseus]

The answer is obvious. I don't have any LRL customers in England. Dell

Yeah, right. And if you did....? Would that somehow have changed what happened. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

(No UK sales.... I guess dowsers in the UK are a little smarter than here in the US.)

[Theseus]

It's true there are a large number of dowsers in Great Britian. Just knowing how to dowse or use an LRL is not going to get you access to private property.

The guy said he had some feeling about it beforehand. I know the skeptic response to that--"They always say that". He found it, that's what counts,and he obviously didn't have a negative attitude.

Mike, do you really think this guy's MD cares what attitude he harbors, or that the machine would work differently depending on the operator's attitude? (rhetorical)

I'm pretty sure attitude only has influence on your bent wires, because they react only to mind and an ideomotor response. Sorry to break the news to you but signal lines have nothing to do with how a bent wire reacts. Signal lines, as described by the believers, are a trick of the mind. Nothing more.

[J_Player]

Mike, do you really think this guy's MD cares what attitude he harbors, or that the machine would work differently depending on the operator's attitude? (rhetorical)

I'm pretty sure attitude only has influence on your bent wires, because they react only to mind and an ideomotor response. Sorry to break the news to you but signal lines have nothing to do with how a bent wire reacts. Signal lines, as described by the believers, are a trick of the mind. Nothing more.Yup.... I spose that metal detectorist could have had a bad attitude....
"...dang cheapo metal detector doesn't find anything good. I should throw this thing in the trash. If I don't find something soon, I think I will smash it to pieces...... beep, beep, beep...... :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: "I'm rich..!!!

Yup. that metal detector will beep at the metal no matter what yer thinking.
(or maybe not... Maybe the detector found gold only after hearing it would be smashed to pieces)? :rolleyes:

Best wishes,
J_P

[Mike(Mont)]

"The demarcation of what is physical and what is not, is simply a line drawn by man and based on the awareness of the majority." a quote from Victor Beasley in the book "Supersensonics" by Christopher Hills.

Most people don't have a clue how thought energy can set up a wave-field around an object.

[Theseus]

"The demarcation of what is physical and what is not, is simply a line drawn by man and based on the awareness of the majority." a quote from Victor Beasley in the book "Supersensonics" by Christopher Hills.

Most people don't have a clue how thought energy can set up a wave-field around an object.

Don't tell me, let me guess; you and Christoper Hills are among the elite few who have a clue about awareness and its association with what is physical and what is not. :lol:

Please spare us. :nono:

Christopher Hills was a prolific writer, publisher and salesman of a great many books all dealing with a variety of esoteric topics; not the least of which are inner awareness, visual awareness, The Science of Radiational Paraphysics, The Rise of the Phoenix Universal Government by Natures Laws, Nuclear Evolution Discovery of the Rainbow Body, Secrets of the Life Force, etc., etc. I could go on, but I think you get the idea of where this is going.

In 1972, Dr. Hills founded the University of the Trees, as a progressive community whose courses focused on the study of consciousness and practiced the dynamics of interpersonal relationship.

In short, Dr.(?) Hills was a crackpot writer/publisher/salesman of teachings and unverified doctrines; appealing to those holding beliefs of a similar ilk. (If the shoe fits, wear it.) Although today he is "hawking" his stuff in another dimension... his wife and son continue the proliferation from their modest California Estate, where they live quite comfortably whilst enjoying the fruits of the book sales, and other miscellaneous "awareness" contraptions, mind wave guides and other pseudo-scientific trinkets and paraphernalia. :barf:

Isn't capitalism a wonderful tool when coupled with, and protected by free speech? :)

[J_Player]

Don't tell me, let me guess; you and Christoper Hills are among the elite few who have a clue about awareness and its association with what is physical and what is not. :lol:

...In 1972, Dr. Hills founded the University of the Trees, as a progressive community whose courses focused on the study of consciousness and practiced the dynamics of interpersonal relationship.

... his wife and son continue the proliferation from their modest California Estate, where they live quite comfortably whilst enjoying the fruits of the book sales, and other miscellaneous "awareness" contraptions, mind wave guides and other pseudo-scientific trinkets and paraphernalia. :barf:

Isn't capitalism a wonderful tool when coupled with, and protected by free speech? :)Ummm... does this mean a metal detector can find awareness upon hearing it will soon be smashed into pieces if it doesn't find gold soon?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Theseus]

Ummm... does this mean a metal detector can find awareness upon hearing it will soon be smashed into pieces if it doesn't find gold soon?

Best wishes,
J_P

Well.... I guess that would be something maybe Mike or the Good Doctor would have to tell you. However, I don't think you will understand the answer because like me; you are "one of those people who don't have a clue how thought energy can set up a wave-field around an object". :shrug:

[Mike(Mont)]

Seems I detect a bit of envy. Hills retired at age thirty and spent the rest of his life helping others. At one point he was president of the World Yoga Association. Out of all the reading I have done on dowsing, I would say without question he was the most knowledgable person in the field to date. You wouldn't like to hear what he says about your conceit and phony logic. Really makes my day to read it. I don't know much about his widow, but I spoke with her a while back and she does not sell any dowsing tools, just books, tapes, and videos.

[J_Player]

Seems I detect a bit of envy. Hills retired at age thirty and spent the rest of his life helping others. At one point he was president of the World Yoga Association. Out of all the reading I have done on dowsing, I would say without question he was the most knowledgable person in the field to date. You wouldn't like to hear what he says about your conceit and phony logic. Really makes my day to read it. I don't know much about his widow, but I spoke with her a while back and she does not sell any dowsing tools, just books, tapes, and videos.Hi Mike(Mont),

I, for one, don't have envy for Hills or other proponents of dowsing. I have read many of the theories and teachings of dowsing. I think this is great stuff for people who want to know what they teach. People are well off to pursue dowsing if it interests them. And if they find happiness from learning teachings of dowsing, then I think it is good for them to get as much of this happiness as they can find.

I suppose the reason we see so many disagreeing opinions here is because this is a technical site dominated by engineers and others who have years of training to teach them about how science works. It seems reasonable to me that you will find fewer people here who find their happiness from studying dowsing teachings. I suspect the majority of people who post at Geotech will think that dowsing is kind of a funny superstition that is only good for making jokes about.

If only I could see a few double blind tests that show dowsing actually works, maybe I would change my mind and join the people who find happiness from learning more of the teachings of dowsing . But for now, it seems like a funny superstition to me.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Geo]

If only I could see a few double blind tests that show dowsing actually works, maybe I would change my mind and join the people who find happiness from learning more of the teachings of dowsing . But for now, it seems like a funny superstition to me.

Best wishes,
J_P

Hi J_P.

Come to Greece if you want to see how dowsing works. Of course as many you want of double blind tests!!!! But i wrote and other times. Your problem with double blind tests, is if from long distance a dowsing operator will find the objects 10/10 times and not 7/10???? For me is the same, it is a device that locate objects from long distance. With or without errors. I believe that it count some persons to study it...

Regards

[J_Player]

Hi J_P.

Come to Greece if you want to see how dowsing works. Of course as many you want of double blind tests!!!! But i wrote and other times. Your problem with double blind tests, is if from long distance a dowsing operator will find the objects 10/10 times and not 7/10???? For me is the same, it is a device that locate objects from long distance. With or without errors. I believe that it count some persons to study it...

RegardsHi Geo,
I will be happy to conduct double blind tests of dowsing. I will also make videos to put on a professional website with links in all the major treasure hunting forums including Geotech. But the problem, I cannot come to Greece now. If you are ready to come to California, then we can start right now. I will believe 10/10 as soon as the double blind test confirms it. And you will be king of dowsing for the first person to pass double blind testing. If you can come, PM me, and we will get started right away! :)

Best wishes,
J_P

[Qiaozhi]

"The demarcation of what is physical and what is not, is simply a line drawn by man and based on the awareness of the majority." a quote from Victor Beasley in the book "Supersensonics" by Christopher Hills.

Most people don't have a clue how thought energy can set up a wave-field around an object.
Read it and weep ... :cry:

http://blog.modernmechanix.com/index.php?s=bowser

... or (for us skeptics) have a good laugh. :lol:

[Geo]

Hi Geo,
I will be happy to conduct double blind tests of dowsing. I will also make videos to put on a professional website with links in all the major treasure hunting forums including Geotech. But the problem, I cannot come to Greece now. If you are ready to come to California, then we can start right now. I will believe 10/10 as soon as the double blind test confirms it. And you will be king of dowsing for the first person to pass double blind testing. If you can come, PM me, and we will get started right away! :)

Best wishes,
J_P


Hi H_P.

Hahaha California is to far.
Tommorrow i will go to London.


Regards:)

[Fred]

Hi H_P.

Hahaha California is to far.
Tommorrow i will go to London.


Regards:)

Will you perform a double blind test in London ?

[Theseus]

Seems I detect a bit of envy. Hills retired at age thirty and spent the rest of his life helping others. At one point he was president of the World Yoga Association. Out of all the reading I have done on dowsing, I would say without question he was the most knowledgable person in the field to date. You wouldn't like to hear what he says about your conceit and phony logic. Really makes my day to read it. I don't know much about his widow, but I spoke with her a while back and she does not sell any dowsing tools, just books, tapes, and videos.

Envy a charlatan; I think not. :D

Hills, and his "university" of the trees, falls in the category of those individuals who found (and capitalized on) a small niche industry catering to a rather obscure thirst for the weird and esoteric, from the gullible and technically-challenged. To that end, he must be recognized only as a successful but crafty capitalist; nothing more. :razz: Much like a few others I could mention. If there is any envy sensed here, it would have to come from those here who wanted to break into the same type business as Hills, but so far has failed miserably. :lol: :lol:

BTW, Mike; since you seem to be in the elite group of individuals who have a clue - please share with the rest of us how thought energy can set up a wave-field around an object. Waiting patiently for that kind of information. :rolleyes:

[Geo]

Will you perform a double blind test in London ?


Hi Fred.
With who??


Regards:)

[Dell Winders]

BTW, Mike; since you seem to be in the elite group of individuals who have a clue - please share with the rest of us how thought energy can set up a wave-field around an object. Waiting patiently for that kind of information.

Not much point with no common interest. Folks here seem to be into electronics. Rational Thought, is rarely used, or entertained here. Dell

[homefire]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/staffordshire/8272058.stm

[Mike(Mont)]

You wanna learn? Get Hills book--considered the bible of dowsing--"Supersensonics". Absolutely fascinating reading. Prepare to spend about a year or more. Like he says, to be open-minded you need to be able to forget everything you know. Not an easy task if you are egocentric.

[Qiaozhi]

You wanna learn? Get Hills book--considered the bible of dowsing--"Supersensonics". Absolutely fascinating reading. Prepare to spend about a year or more. Like he says, to be open-minded you need to be able to forget everything you know. Not an easy task if you are egocentric.
I can imagine that to be true. :rolleyes:

You would have to forget everything in order to get the full experience. :lol:

[Fred]

Like he says, to be open-minded you need to be able to forget everything you know. Not an easy task if you are egocentric.
To forget everything else to learn something new ? i call this brainwashing.
A pretty stupid way to learn .

[Theseus]

To forget everything else to learn something new ? i call this brainwashing.
A pretty stupid way to learn .

Only a very tiny number of folks would subscribe to such brainwashing. It would take a certain mentality (or lack thereof), to fall for such craziness.

Probably Dell said it best; stupid is as stupid does. :)

[Mike(Mont)]

Just more of your phony logic. You really ought to read the book. You have so much self-doubt it just stifles you. You obviously can't even comprehend what an open mind is. "I think I'm an alright guy. I really do!"

[Theseus]

Just more of your phony logic. You really ought to read the book. You have so much self-doubt it just stifles you. You obviously can't even comprehend what an open mind is. "I think I'm an alright guy. I really do!"

I probably have a bigger dowsing library than you could ever dream of owning. A lot of very collectible old volumes, not to mention a ton of research material and communications. I had a copy of Supersensonics, and when I was done reviewing it, I sold it on eBay for a small profit. Some other poor sap now has to figure out what he is going to do with it. :p

I'm glad you think you are an alright guy. Has holding that thought in your mind helped you to be a more accurate dowser? Or do you have to keep repeating it to yourself, sort of like a self-help mantra? ;)

BTW, Mike; since you seem to be in the elite group of individuals who have a clue - please share with the rest of us how thought energy can set up a wave-field around an object. Waiting patiently for that kind of information. :rolleyes: Maybe the answer was in my copy of Supersensonics, but like the rest of the phony baloney in that volume; ....it was a waste of good trees to print that thing.

[Carl-NC]

Found with a White's, no less!

That hoard will end up in the British Museum, next to all the other hoards that are labeled, "Found with a metal detector."

- Carl

[Geo]

Found with a White's, no less!

That hoard will end up in the British Museum, next to all the other hoards that are labeled, "Found with a metal detector."

- Carl

Carl,
do you know the model???
:)

[Max]

Hi,
this is the way British Museum collected many valuable items today and in recent years, BIG discoveries made BY METAL DETECTORS and amateur treasure hunters.
Then the british laws suit the scenario with wonderful and reasonable rules that make all win.
So the really big :razz: go to all museums of "some" other countries where archeo-guys go hunting with camel-butt-hairs-brushes and find nothing as valuable as this stuff is.

But there's no limit to human stupidity, this confirms the fundamental rule.:D

Kind regards,
Max

[ivconic]

Carl,
do you know the model???
:)


:lol::lol::lol:
That's "most important" question! Mother question! Question of all questions!! :lol::lol::lol:

I am joking....Geo friend! Ahahahah!
Why? I met so often same question.
My prospecting experiences so far tells me that MAIN FACTOR of success in prospecting is...... LUCK! Pure luck and nothing else!
It could be any other brand or model, never mind. If hoard was shallow enough - any other brand and model could do the job just fine.
All the fantastic finds i've being heard about so far, were made at shallow depths mostly - 99% cases.
So..considering that i am sure any brand and model would do the job just fine.
All you have to do is to have huge LUCK and nothing else.

Secret success formula:
- 95% LUCK
- 4% experience in prospecting
- 1% metal detector...

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Mike(Mont)]

I read an article on Yahoo.

He asked a farmer friend if he could search his land. That explains how he lucked into it.

"I have the phrase I say sometimes, 'Spirits of yesteryear take me where the coins appear', but on that day I changed coins to gold. I don't know why I said it that day, but I think someone was listening and directed me to it."

Sounds like dowsing to me. Enough of the phony logic/assumptions that he said that everytime. People were dowsing thousands of years before L-rods were invented. It's an "awareness thing". Many dowsers attribute it to their superconscious. Where the subconscious is things known, the superconscious is things unknown to the person.

As for the Whites detector and "luck" I guess if he had been using a PI unit it would have been "skill" LOL. I have a Whites that's over 25 years old. It works way better for surface/shallow targets than does my Minelab Sovereign.

[ivconic]

...
As for the Whites detector and "luck" I guess if he had been using a PI unit it would have been "skill" LOL. I have a Whites that's over 25 years old. It works way better for surface/shallow targets than does my Minelab Sovereign.

That i believe for sure. Last year i had Spectrum and was pretty amazed with it's performing. So old yet so useful. So as few other (brands and models) older detectors, from the past.
Sometimes man have to ask ; why some models are being discontinued?
(or replaced with newer and worse ones !?!?)

[Esteban]

All OK, but what are doing this thread in remote sensing if the ancient treasure was found with regular MD? :shrug:

[ivconic]

All OK, but what are doing this thread in remote sensing if the ancient treasure was found with regular MD? :shrug:

Ahahahahahahahahahhh! :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[J_Player]

All OK, but what are doing this thread in remote sensing if the ancient treasure was found with regular MD? :shrug:That sounds right.
Maybe we should begin posting all those newspaper articles we read about ancient gold treasure hoards found by dowsing here. :rolleyes:

Best wishes,
J_P

[Max]

he can just post some 100years old magazine stuff...

with ads of asbestos pills as remedy for cholyte! :lol:

Now I understand why all that asbestos migrated from europe and us to south america... :D

[Morgan]

I read an article on Yahoo.

He asked a farmer friend if he could search his land. That explains how he lucked into it.

"I have the phrase I say sometimes, 'Spirits of yesteryear take me where the coins appear', but on that day I changed coins to gold. I don't know why I said it that day, but I think someone was listening and directed me to it."

Sounds like dowsing to me. Enough of the phony logic/assumptions that he said that everytime. People were dowsing thousands of years before L-rods were invented. It's an "awareness thing". Many dowsers attribute it to their superconscious. Where the subconscious is things known, the superconscious is things unknown to the person.

As for the Whites detector and "luck" I guess if he had been using a PI unit it would have been "skill" LOL. I have a Whites that's over 25 years old. It works way better for surface/shallow targets than does my Minelab Sovereign.
Hi

Do you know how deep was the treasure ?

Regards

[J_Player]

Hi

Do you know how deep was the treasure ?

RegardsAccording to the article Theseus posted, they were not deep:
"Pieces were just literally sat at the top of the soil, at the grass," said Ian Wykes, of the county council. He said the hoard had been unearthed by recent plowing".

Best wishes,
J_P

[Esteban]

According to the article Theseus posted, they were not deep:
"Pieces were just literally sat at the top of the soil, at the grass," said Ian Wykes, of the county council. He said the hoard had been unearthed by recent plowing".

Best wishes,
J_P

So, any BFO or toy detector can find it. Lucky man. I noticed that in GB and other european countries museums pay the correct price for the items found.

[Esteban]

That sounds right.
Maybe we should begin posting all those newspaper articles we read about ancient gold treasure hoards found by dowsing here. :rolleyes:

Best wishes,
J_P

I don't understand the people... Recently, a man with absorptive pistol detect a spot, maybe 30 meters in distance. Pistol show the site, but this man also "corroborate" the mark with LRL rods... The man found a silver adorn 10 X 10 cm at 1.20 m depth...

[Morgan]

So, any BFO or toy detector can find it. Lucky man. I noticed that in GB and other european countries museums pay the correct price for the items found.
Yes,in GB they have very clever system when one person find Treasure . Unfortunatly in my country we whait 50 years for the government to make treasure valuation,and in the end they not pay nothing,and they say all the treasures belong to them,as result they allways lose,and the colectors make colections more rich,not the museum. England is the best country for Treasure hunting.

[Max]

Yes,in GB they have very clever system when one person find Treasure . Unfortunatly in my country we whait 50 years for the government to make treasure valuation,and in the end they not pay nothing,and they say all the treasures belong to them,as result they allways lose,and the colectors make colections more rich,not the museum. England is the best country for Treasure hunting.

Hi,
yes it is... and I say half states of EU have so restrictive rules on "treasures" that even go around with an MD in your hands can bring you easy to jail also!:lol:

The archeo-guys and funny politicians know ZERO of reality but just of camel-butt-hairs-brushes maybe, and they're happy this way... so why they have change their mind !?

Just cause other half of EU have more liberal and realistic approach to treasure hunters and real heritage preservation ??? :D

No... EU is something you can never say there's something homogeneous in e.g. laws... so what's good for me could be bad for you and maybe passable for someone else all that in the same EU!

What's that ? We have 1 coin and monetary system and 27 different set of rules !? :lol:

Seems like a big joke these guys at Bruxelles do and laugh at us, that's it!

I do agree, UK is THE ONE AND ONLY treasure hunters heaven! (and of course, a very fair country that treat citizens for what they are... not as childrens, as happens in many places...)

Where else you can go around without e.g. any document that say who are you without risk to pass some hour at local police station !?

Uk, I love that country.;)

And ,of course, I like Ireland , expecially Aran islands...but for other reasons...

Kind regards,
Max

[J_Player]

Hi,
yes it is... and I say half states of EU have so restrictive rules on "treasures" that even go around with an MD in your hands can bring you easy to jail also!:lol:

The archeo-guys and funny politicians know ZERO of reality but just of camel-butt-hairs-brushes maybe, and they're happy this way... so why they have change their mind !?

Just cause other half of EU have more liberal and realistic approach to treasure hunters and real heritage preservation ??? :D

No... EU is something you can never say there's something homogeneous in e.g. laws... so what's good for me could be bad for you and maybe passable for someone else all that in the same EU!

What's that ? We have 1 coin and monetary system and 27 different set of rules !? :lol:

Seems like a big joke these guys at Bruxelles do and laugh at us, that's it!

I do agree, UK is THE ONE AND ONLY treasure hunters heaven! (and of course, a very fair country that treat citizens for what they are... not as childrens, as happens in many places...)

Where else you can go around without e.g. any document that say who are you without risk to pass some hour at local police station !?

Uk, I love that country.;)

And ,of course, I like Ireland , expecially Aran islands...but for other reasons...

Kind regards,
MaxHi Max,

"Where else you can go around without e.g. any document that say who are you without risk to pass some hour at local police station !?"
Most English-speaking countries you can walk the streets without ID documents... like Canada, USA, and Australia, New Zealand, and other places too. In most of Central and South America don't need to carry your ID with you in order to avoid risk of being sent to the police station. I suppose in much of the world it is safe to go around without ID documents... as long as a person is not creating problems.

But even these "free" countries have some poor treasure laws. The English treasure law is the best treasure law I have heard of:
"Pieces were just literally sat at the top of the soil, at the grass," said Ian Wykes, of the county council. He said the hoard had been unearthed by recent plowing".
In England a person can dig all the treasure and will be paid collector's value to give it to a museum. But what about other "free countries"? This treasure was "unearthed" in the grass from recent plowing. In a country where treasure hunting and metal detectors are illegal, a person walking through the field could find this treasure by accident. Maybe trip over a gold sword on the ground. If this kind of treasure was found in most other countries, we would never hear about it in the newspaper or see it in a museum. It would be hidden in the treasure hunter's secret cache or sold secretly to a collector. The idea that only government regulated Archaeologists can recover treasure seems like a sure way for a country to lose most national treasures found by secret treasure hunters. The English treasure law seems a very good way for a country to keep their national treasures.

PS. Does anybody know if dowsing is illegal in countries where treasure hunting is illegal?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Morgan]

Hi,
yes it is... and I say half states of EU have so restrictive rules on "treasures" that even go around with an MD in your hands can bring you easy to jail also!:lol:

The archeo-guys and funny politicians know ZERO of reality but just of camel-butt-hairs-brushes maybe, and they're happy this way... so why they have change their mind !?

Just cause other half of EU have more liberal and realistic approach to treasure hunters and real heritage preservation ??? :D

No... EU is something you can never say there's something homogeneous in e.g. laws... so what's good for me could be bad for you and maybe passable for someone else all that in the same EU!

What's that ? We have 1 coin and monetary system and 27 different set of rules !? :lol:

Seems like a big joke these guys at Bruxelles do and laugh at us, that's it!

I do agree, UK is THE ONE AND ONLY treasure hunters heaven! (and of course, a very fair country that treat citizens for what they are... not as childrens, as happens in many places...)

Where else you can go around without e.g. any document that say who are you without risk to pass some hour at local police station !?

Uk, I love that country.;)

And ,of course, I like Ireland , expecially Aran islands...but for other reasons...

Kind regards,
Max
About Ireland,i know two friends from there,Desmond and Roland,they are MINELAB dealers,they told me Ireland is a forbiden country for Treasure Hunting,i think its also forbiden to search in the beach...Nice country but so diferent from UK.

[Carl-NC]

Carl, do you know the model???

Eagle Spectrum.

Then the british laws suit the scenario with wonderful and reasonable rules that make all win.

Yes, the UK have the best treasure laws I know of.

All OK, but what are doing this thread in remote sensing if the ancient treasure was found with regular MD?

I think mostly to point out that, even though Britain has many dowsers, ordinary metal detectorists are making all the great finds. Dowsers aren't finding anything, unless you count ley lines.

- Carl

[putrechigi]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOK
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1212031/10-000-Roman-coins-unearthed-amateur-metal-detector-enthusiast--treasure-hunt.html

[putrechigi]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1212031/10-000-Roman-coins-unearthed-amateur-metal-detector-enthusiast--treasure-hunt.html

[J_Player]

Hmmm... And he didn't use dowsing rods....

A massive haul of more than 10,000 Roman coins has been unearthed by an amateur metal detecting enthusiast - on his first ever treasure hunt. The finder, Nick Davies, bought his first metal detector a month ago and this is his first find made with it. The silver and bronze 'nummi' coins, dating from between 240AD and 320AD, late in the reign of Constantine I, were discovered in a farmer's field near Shrewsbury, in Shropshire, last month. In total the coins and the pot weigh more than 70lb. Finder Nick Davies, 30, was on his first treasure hunt when he discovered the coins, mostly crammed inside a buried 70lb clay pot buried in the ground about 1,700 years ago..

Ok, maybe Esteban is right. So let's see all the newspaper articles about the large hoards found by dowsers.

Best wishes,
J_P

[michael]

Hi.
one lucky find nothing more, as you all know no professional work.
just luck (god providence) and again demonstration of British beautiful fair laws for THing and THers, shame on other countries governments.
..... Does anybody know if dowsing is illegal in countries where treasure hunting is illegal?
Dear J-P, here they will confiscate every tool that is suspect to use in THing. even a pair of L-rods.

[Esteban]

In Islamic countries seems is illegal, but maybe only for archaeologists investigations.

[Esteban]

Yes, the UK have the best treasure laws I know of.


- Carl

In UK, if you found a coin valuated, for example, US$ 150,000, the museum pay the price. They exhibit this coin in special and tourism and local stores wins.

[putrechigi]

In UK, if you found a coin valuated, for example, US$ 150,000, the museum pay the price. They exhibit this coin in special and tourism and local stores wins.
hi esteban for italian people is dream:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::roll eyes::rolleyes:

[Mike(Mont)]

Of course "pure" metal detectors are going to have more finds. I mean look at T-net--There are tens of thousands of MD'ers and about ten dowsers (if that many). I put "pure" in quotes because this is an unknown. When five percent of the people find ninety-five percent of the treasure, it's a whole lot more than dumb luck. What it is exactly is up for conjecture, but there is definitely a positive attitude among them as well as dowsers, in stark contrast to any skeptic.

[Theseus]

Of course "pure" metal detectors are going to have more finds. I mean look at T-net--There are tens of thousands of MD'ers and about ten dowsers (if that many). I put "pure" in quotes because this is an unknown. When five percent of the people find ninety-five percent of the treasure, it's a whole lot more than dumb luck. What it is exactly is up for conjecture, but there is definitely a positive attitude among them as well as dowsers, in stark contrast to any skeptic.

Your inference is that all skeptics lack a positive attitude. Do you have actual data to support that statement, or are you just making comments at random.

I fail to see the association between being skeptical about something and a person's attitude; be it positive or negative.

If we view your basic comments posted here, one might think that all dowsers suffer from extreme paranoia, are suspicious by nature and completely abhor rational science. But it would be erroneous to make such a silly association, because there are probably a lot of dowsers that are not paranoid, are not suspicious and fully accept the axioms of rational science.

Perhaps you do have data to support your inference. It would interesting to see it. :)

[Mike(Mont)]

I watched an old movie on Loius Pasteur and it was ominous how similar the skeptics were--almost as if the ones around here use that movie as a template/script for their ranting. Just a bunch of arrogant @*&%$#@ claiming they know it all when they know nothing. I guess "nothing is new under the sun".

[Max]

It's not the Sun.

you have such powerful senses and don't see it's not the Sun !? :lol:

It's a thermonuclear device >50megaton dropped by the former soviet union.

It's the kind of stuff they planned to drop in areas like new york in the 60's , using a strategic bomber, tupolev brand.:shocked:

Sakharov team developed and assembled it in 3 months and then the bomb was tested in the Artic, Nova Zemlja islands area.

But I see you can't figure it out... :D

As with other stuff! :rolleyes:

Kind regards,
Max

[Fred]

I watched an old movie on Loius Pasteur and it was ominous how similar the skeptics were--almost as if the ones around here use that movie as a template/script for their ranting. Just a bunch of arrogant @*&%$#@ claiming they know it all when they know nothing. I guess "nothing is new under the sun".

Do as he did: prove them wrong...

[Theseus]

I watched an old movie on Loius Pasteur and it was ominous how similar the skeptics were--almost as if the ones around here use that movie as a template/script for their ranting. Just a bunch of arrogant @*&%$#@ claiming they know it all when they know nothing. I guess "nothing is new under the sun".

Seems when pressed for evidence to back up your claims, your only response is to get antagonistic and arrogant. :nono:

Why do you hang around here if you feel that threatened? :shrug: 'Course with Tnet being as dead as yesterday's newspaper, I suppose you are not left with that many choices where you can insert your book reviews and other baseless musings about dowsing (and the nonexistent signal lines). :lol:

[WM6]

I watched an old movie on Loius Pasteur and it was ominous how similar the skeptics were--almost as if the ones around here use that movie as a template/script for their ranting. Just a bunch of arrogant @*&%$#@ claiming they know it all when they know nothing. I guess "nothing is new under the sun".
.

Another view on your "they know nothing":

"......... UNESCO proclaimed 1995 as "The Year of Pasteur." Just prior to that, Pasteur’s family proudly released his notes and research. Gerald Geison, a science historian, was among the first people to thoroughly review those notes. In 1995, The Year of Pasteur, Geison wrote an article in the New York Times proclaiming that Pasteur had lied about his research on vaccines and germs and that most of his ideas had been plagiarized from his contemporaries. His article, "Pasteur’s Deception" claimed that Pasteur was, in the end, a fraud.


Now this is a terrible proclamation to make over anyone, especially one so highly revered in modern medicine. The French erected statues and built an institute dedicated to this great man. What on earth would make anyone wish to believe he was a fraud?


What is truth and what is fiction must be determined by the facts.



And as "Deep Throat" of Watergate fame said, "Follow the money."


In researching medicine, following the money has always led to the truth. The money, in Pasteur’s case, has led to unnecessary and mandatory vaccination programs. Wouldn’t we all like to own a company that gets support from a government that will enact laws to make the purchase of our product mandatory?
Where to begin? Well, let’s begin with the Germ Theory.


As discussed in The Lost History of Medicine (http://www.mnwelldir.org/docs/terrain/lost_history_of_medicine.htm), the Terrain is more important than the Germ.
Pasteur described germs as non-changeable. We know today, from the use of Darkfield Microscopes that microorganisms are pleomorphic, that they can change and often do. A virus can become a bacterium which can mutate into a yeast or fungus. Modern medicine has yet to acknowledge this because it would turn the pharmaceutical interests on their backs like a helpless tortoise. Again, we follow the money.


Medical tests take your blood and then fix it with a dye. They freeze the blood in a fixed state. The germs therein are frozen in time. This is not real life. Germs change, blood moves; life is a process, not a fixed state.
It was Bechamp who discovered the pleomorphic nature of germs, and later on Bernard described the "milieu" or environment that affected/caused those changes. Bernard is the one responsible for our theories today on pH and how the nature of the microorganisms change as the body moves from an alkaline pH to an acidic pH. (This is covered in depth in our article The Lost History of Medicine. (http://www.mnwelldir.org/docs/terrain/lost_history_of_medicine.htm))


On his deathbed, Pasteur recanted, saying that Bernard was right; the Terrain is everything, the Germ is nothing.


However, since the Germ is so profitable, the medical world has written off his final statements as the madness of a dying man. We should all be so mad.
Another problem with the Germ Theory of medicine is discovered when we look at Koch’s Postulates as they apply to Pasteur's experiments (my comments: need to be adapted to LRL test too):


The bacteria must be present in every case of the disease.
The bacteria must be isolated from the host with the disease and grown in pure culture.
The specific disease must be reproduced when a pure culture of the bacteria is inoculated into a healthy susceptible host.
The bacteria must be recoverable from the experimentally infected host.



Pasteur never quite fulfilled all the rules. He was not able to find the germ in all cases of a disease, and this is where his research became fraudulent (like LRL research). Additionally, many so-called pathogenic germs are often found in healthy people.



One of the first books published that took a serious look at the work of Pasteur in an unfavorable light was Bechamp or Pasteur, written by Ethel Douglas in 1923. It has since then been reprinted under the heading, Pasteur Exposed, a more dramatic title that would guarantee more sales.
Douglas’s book describes Pasteur as an ambitious self-promoter. She shows how Pasteur plagiarized Bechamp's work in unraveling the mysteries of fermentation and the causes of disease in silkworms. But Pasteur wasn’t as bright as Bechamp and made some very serious mistakes in both his interpretation of Bechamp’s work and subsequent theories and practices which he later espoused.
Joseph Lister, the young surgeon who developed antiseptic surgery methods wrote to Pasteur thanking him for his research in sepsis. We know this to be true since many of Lister’s early surgeries, using carbolic acid at the strengths advised by Pasteur, ended successfully, though the patient died.



Bechamp was the first person to experiment with carbolic acid, and he warned against its toxicity. Pasteur poo-pooed this fear and presented his own theories to the world that Lister had picked up on. It took Joseph Lister a few more years of refining his techniques and using less and less carbolic acid to finally produce an antiseptic surgery in which the patient survived.


While Bechamp spent years proving that germs were the consequence of disease and not the cause, Pasteur’s theory was much simpler and highly profitable. It made economic sense. It made money.


Another book that came out on this subject is The Dream and The Lie of Louis Pasteur, and can be found on the web in a few locations. Here is just one: http://www.sumeria.net/dream/7.html. If you are interested in learning more about the fraudulent research of Pasteur, this is where to start.


Pasteur instructed his family never to release his lab notes. After his grandson died in 1975, they were finally released. This was when Professor Gerald Geison got a hold of them and presented his findings in 1993 to the American Association for the Advancement of Science. The New York Times, seeing how UNESCO had named 1995 the Year of Pasteur, felt that this would be the proper time to release Gerald Geison’s research. Don’t you just love a good drama?


The Myth of Pasteurization

One more thing before we go. Our second reference above makes this statement: "Pasteur developed ‘pasteurization’, a process by which harmful microbes in perishable food products are destroyed using heat, without destroying the food."
This is not entirely true. Pasteurization does NOT kill ALL harmful microbes in milk and it DOES harm the milk.
In her book, The Medical Mafia, Dr Lanctôt debunks pasteurization with a one-two punch:


The temperature is not high enough.
The temperature is too high.

First off, Dr Lanctôt points out that germs that bring us typhoid, coli bacillus, and tuberculosis are not killed by the temperatures used, and there have been a good number of salmonella epidemics traced to pasteurized milk. ............."


More here:
http://www.mnwelldir.org/docs/history/biographies/louis_pasteur.htm

[Mike(Mont)]

You are pathetic. Worse than I thought. Don't you know extreme skepticism is a psychological disorder? Get some professional help. I can't help you. A priest once told me people will swear that black is white. In other words they "rationalize". "Prostitute the intellect to defend the ego."

[WM6]

You are pathetic. Worse than I thought. Don't you know extreme skepticism is a psychological disorder? Get some professional help. I can't help you. A priest once told me people will swear that black is white. In other words they "rationalize". "Prostitute the intellect to defend the ego."

What for LRL you use for this findings, must be real remote sensing yourselfdetector?

[joecoin]

You are pathetic. Worse than I thought. Don't you know extreme skepticism is a psychological disorder? Get some professional help. I can't help you. A priest once told me people will swear that black is white. In other words they "rationalize". "Prostitute the intellect to defend the ego."


Mike,

A priest once told me I was going to hell . I don't hold much stock in what priests say.

[WesP]

More wacky crap that only morons place any credence in.

Another view on your "they know nothing":

"......... UNESCO proclaimed 1995 as "The Year of Pasteur." Just prior to that, Pasteur’s family proudly released his notes and research. Gerald Geison, a science historian, was among the first people to thoroughly review those notes. In 1995, The Year of Pasteur, Geison wrote an article in the New York Times proclaiming that Pasteur had lied about his research on vaccines and germs and that most of his ideas had been plagiarized from his contemporaries. His article, "Pasteur’s Deception" claimed that Pasteur was, in the end, a fraud.


Now this is a terrible proclamation to make over anyone, especially one so highly revered in modern medicine. The French erected statues and built an institute dedicated to this great man. What on earth would make anyone wish to believe he was a fraud?


What is truth and what is fiction must be determined by the facts.



And as "Deep Throat" of Watergate fame said, "Follow the money."


In researching medicine, following the money has always led to the truth. The money, in Pasteur’s case, has led to unnecessary and mandatory vaccination programs. Wouldn’t we all like to own a company that gets support from a government that will enact laws to make the purchase of our product mandatory?
Where to begin? Well, let’s begin with the Germ Theory.


As discussed in The Lost History of Medicine (http://www.mnwelldir.org/docs/terrain/lost_history_of_medicine.htm), the Terrain is more important than the Germ.
Pasteur described germs as non-changeable. We know today, from the use of Darkfield Microscopes that microorganisms are pleomorphic, that they can change and often do. A virus can become a bacterium which can mutate into a yeast or fungus. Modern medicine has yet to acknowledge this because it would turn the pharmaceutical interests on their backs like a helpless tortoise. Again, we follow the money.


Medical tests take your blood and then fix it with a dye. They freeze the blood in a fixed state. The germs therein are frozen in time. This is not real life. Germs change, blood moves; life is a process, not a fixed state.
It was Bechamp who discovered the pleomorphic nature of germs, and later on Bernard described the "milieu" or environment that affected/caused those changes. Bernard is the one responsible for our theories today on pH and how the nature of the microorganisms change as the body moves from an alkaline pH to an acidic pH. (This is covered in depth in our article The Lost History of Medicine. (http://www.mnwelldir.org/docs/terrain/lost_history_of_medicine.htm))


On his deathbed, Pasteur recanted, saying that Bernard was right; the Terrain is everything, the Germ is nothing.


However, since the Germ is so profitable, the medical world has written off his final statements as the madness of a dying man. We should all be so mad.
Another problem with the Germ Theory of medicine is discovered when we look at Koch’s Postulates as they apply to Pasteur's experiments (my comments: need to be adapted to LRL test too):

The bacteria must be present in every case of the disease.
The bacteria must be isolated from the host with the disease and grown in pure culture.
The specific disease must be reproduced when a pure culture of the bacteria is inoculated into a healthy susceptible host.
The bacteria must be recoverable from the experimentally infected host.



Pasteur never quite fulfilled all the rules. He was not able to find the germ in all cases of a disease, and this is where his research became fraudulent (like LRL research). Additionally, many so-called pathogenic germs are often found in healthy people.



One of the first books published that took a serious look at the work of Pasteur in an unfavorable light was Bechamp or Pasteur, written by Ethel Douglas in 1923. It has since then been reprinted under the heading, Pasteur Exposed, a more dramatic title that would guarantee more sales.
Douglas’s book describes Pasteur as an ambitious self-promoter. She shows how Pasteur plagiarized Bechamp's work in unraveling the mysteries of fermentation and the causes of disease in silkworms. But Pasteur wasn’t as bright as Bechamp and made some very serious mistakes in both his interpretation of Bechamp’s work and subsequent theories and practices which he later espoused.
Joseph Lister, the young surgeon who developed antiseptic surgery methods wrote to Pasteur thanking him for his research in sepsis. We know this to be true since many of Lister’s early surgeries, using carbolic acid at the strengths advised by Pasteur, ended successfully, though the patient died.



Bechamp was the first person to experiment with carbolic acid, and he warned against its toxicity. Pasteur poo-pooed this fear and presented his own theories to the world that Lister had picked up on. It took Joseph Lister a few more years of refining his techniques and using less and less carbolic acid to finally produce an antiseptic surgery in which the patient survived.


While Bechamp spent years proving that germs were the consequence of disease and not the cause, Pasteur’s theory was much simpler and highly profitable. It made economic sense. It made money.


Another book that came out on this subject is The Dream and The Lie of Louis Pasteur, and can be found on the web in a few locations. Here is just one: http://www.sumeria.net/dream/7.html. If you are interested in learning more about the fraudulent research of Pasteur, this is where to start.


Pasteur instructed his family never to release his lab notes. After his grandson died in 1975, they were finally released. This was when Professor Gerald Geison got a hold of them and presented his findings in 1993 to the American Association for the Advancement of Science. The New York Times, seeing how UNESCO had named 1995 the Year of Pasteur, felt that this would be the proper time to release Gerald Geison’s research. Don’t you just love a good drama?


The Myth of Pasteurization

One more thing before we go. Our second reference above makes this statement: "Pasteur developed ‘pasteurization’, a process by which harmful microbes in perishable food products are destroyed using heat, without destroying the food."
This is not entirely true. Pasteurization does NOT kill ALL harmful microbes in milk and it DOES harm the milk.
In her book, The Medical Mafia, Dr Lanctôt debunks pasteurization with a one-two punch:


The temperature is not high enough.
The temperature is too high.

First off, Dr Lanctôt points out that germs that bring us typhoid, coli bacillus, and tuberculosis are not killed by the temperatures used, and there have been a good number of salmonella epidemics traced to pasteurized milk. ............."


More here:
http://www.mnwelldir.org/docs/history/biographies/louis_pasteur.htm

[WM6]

More wacky crap that only morons place any credence in.

And what you decided, to be crap or moron?

[putrechigi]

looooooooooooooooooooooooooooook

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1120523/Boadiceas-gold-buried-hoard-dating-era-warrior-queen.html