Can someone with a LRL do an experiment for me?

[FrankMD]

IF you have an old school LRL where you can adjust the frequency, could you try an experiment with the following frequency and tell me the results? Please be someone that knows how to use a LRL.

The frequency is:

72919 Hz (.72919 kHz).

Thanks

Frank

[homefire]

Do you mean 72Khz?

72919hz?

[FrankMD]

Hi,

Whoops sorry I goofed. I mean't

729.19 Hz (.72919 kHz).

Frank

[Jim]

Hi,

Whoops sorry I goofed. I mean't

729.19 Hz (.72919 kHz).

Frank

Is that the transmit or receive frequency?

[FrankMD]

Transmit

[Jim]

Transmit


Ok...what is the receive frequency? Or, are you going to transmit/receive the same frequency simultaneously?

[Dell Winders]

Sounds like a trick question? SWR, you wouldn't do that would you? Dell

"Stupid is as Stupid does!"

[sweatofglory]

Hi,

Whoops sorry I goofed. I mean't

729.19 Hz (.72919 kHz).

Frank


Your freq. is OK!:)

[Jim]

Sounds like a trick question? SWR, you wouldn't do that would you? Dell

"Stupid is as Stupid does!"

It is an engineering question

"I like him, he is a freaking idiot"

[FrankMD]

Sweatofglory,

Did you test it and it worked?


The frequency is transmit and receive is conventional L-rod/human.

Frank

[Theseus]

Yup... 729.19 Hz is a frequency.

What are you going to do with it? In what way is that frequency supposed to influence an LRL or the operator holding the L-rod?

I hope you are not laboring under the illusion that specific frequencies allow an L-rod operator to discriminate the items that a dowsing rod will pull to. That idea is pure poppycock and only a very small number of delusional believers subscribe to it... (ie. Dell, Mike and Tim).
:lol:

[Jim]

The frequency is transmit and receive is conventional L-rod/human.

Frank

So, the conventional L-rod/human should gravitate/lean/sway towards the transmitter?

[Mike(Mont)]

Is this for gold? I tried it twice, did not detect a signal line to my test target, but I was able to get a lock-on when performing an L-rod sweep.

[FrankMD]

Yes, for Gold.

Frank

[Theseus]

Is this for gold? I tried it twice, did not detect a signal line to my test target, but I was able to get a lock-on when performing an L-rod sweep.

Isn't the mind a wonderful thing. ;)

[Mike(Mont)]

FrankMD, my frequency generator only has .1 hz adjustment so I used 729.2 hz. Just curious why you are using this frequency? There are some frequencies you can try on the LRL reports page. I've been messing with the ones on the Treasure Scope Quad report. Not real strong, but...

[hung]

Yes, for Gold.

Frank

Sorry to disapoint you. I tried it in the RT Examiner and it gets a lock.
But it's not for gold.

I'll try to figure out what substance it might picking and will report later.

[WM6]

I'll try to figure out what substance it might picking and will report later.


Most of this frequencies picking only aspirin.

[FrankMD]

Hi Mike,

Where is the LRL reports page?

Back in the early 90's I did a lot of controlled experients with using a signal generator and various rods . I was using 5 kHz for gold, 8.7 kHz for silver and 4.5 kHz for lead. I used lead because it was cheaper than gold and I had a collection of different sizes.

Before I got into that I bought some land in Oregon, needed a well and dowsed a 30 gpm well in an area with dry wells and that was why the land wouldn't sell. So I bought the land contingent on a good well. The well company said that would drill in a convient spot.

So I believe we as humans have the ability to sense the very small field anomolies in the earths field and elf, frequencies, etc. created by water underground or underground voids.

So with the frquency generator set to a specific freq for gold their is a very small change that our brains can detect and the rods show us.

So that frequency I asked someone to try is one based on physics similar to how a proton magnetometer works. Realted to nuclear magnetic resonance, the nuclear moment for gold is based on theta y over 2 pie for AU (197). Where theat y is e over 2 Mc. Anyway I have an advance physics books that has that calculated for gold and is the frequency I mentioned, 729.19 Hz.

So I was curious if that frequency might have a strong response.

I may sound a bit nuts but I am just curious about all this and believe our brain as a receiver is very much not known what it is capable of.

Frank

[FrankMD]

Thnaks hung

[WM6]

Anyway I have an advance physics books that has that calculated for gold and is the frequency I mentioned, 729.19 Hz.



This "advanced physics books" is probably without a title and the issue of publishing "Lunatic". May you cite paragraph in this advanced book where this frequency is mentioned?

[FrankMD]

The name of the physics book:


"Encyclopedia of Physics" (second edition) by Rita G. Lerner/George L. Trigg

VCH Publishers, Inc.

I not here to prove anything to anyone. Just looking for a little open minded discussion.

[hung]

Hi Mike,

Where is the LRL reports page?

Back in the early 90's I did a lot of controlled experients with using a signal generator and various rods . I was using 5 kHz for gold, 8.7 kHz for silver and 4.5 kHz for lead. I used lead because it was cheaper than gold and I had a collection of different sizes.

Before I got into that I bought some land in Oregon, needed a well and dowsed a 30 gpm well in an area with dry wells and that was why the land wouldn't sell. So I bought the land contingent on a good well. The well company said that would drill in a convient spot.

So I believe we as humans have the ability to sense the very small field anomolies in the earths field and elf, frequencies, etc. created by water underground or underground voids.

So with the frquency generator set to a specific freq for gold their is a very small change that our brains can detect and the rods show us.

So that frequency I asked someone to try is one based on physics similar to how a proton magnetometer works. Realted to nuclear magnetic resonance, the nuclear moment for gold is based on theta y over 2 pie for AU (197). Where theat y is e over 2 Mc. Anyway I have an advance physics books that has that calculated for gold and is the frequency I mentioned, 729.19 Hz.

So I was curious if that frequency might have a strong response.

I may sound a bit nuts but I am just curious about all this and believe our brain as a receiver is very much not known what it is capable of.

Frank
Hi Frank,

I see what you mean.

But don't try to 'convert' certain frequencies based on 'supposed Teslas' generated by Earth which comes up with 'checked' frequencies that in theory would respond. These calculations altough correct only for NMR conversions and corresponding magnitudes are completely off for magnetic grid points and dowsing related detection.

Bear in mind that all substances have several and several related frequencies which make up its weight, shape, color, density, etc. So, it's not a surprise, there are so many different frequencies for gold by the way. The several MFD frequencies people report might even be correct in some extent altough some are 'more relevant' than others. This explains why some are sucessful and others are more prone to 'interferences' from other substances and end up with failures.

Regards.

I not here to prove anything to anyone. Just looking for a little open minded discussion.
Be careful. People here are anything but open minded...:cool:

[FrankMD]

Thanks for the response Hung.

Yes is is way more complex than what I wrote. It has also to do with nuclear moments and quantum objects.

It was just that my pysics book specically talked about the 729.19 Hz for gold. If I had a scanner I'd scan the page and so you could see what I'm talikg about in a complete way.

Frank

[J_Player]

So, the conventional L-rod/human should gravitate/lean/sway towards the transmitter?Hi Jim,
I can say a couple of things that may give some insight into the transmitter and wave propagation theory of LRLs.

Judging from posts made by LRL proponents and LRL salesmen in this forum, there are two kinds of LRLs that operate by audio frequency signals. These are passive detectors and active detectors. The passive detectors can be anything from a paint roller in your hand to an electronic passive receiver. The treasure signal is claimed to be detected when the passive receiver LRL is seen to move when the target is detected. It is unclear what causes the passive receiver (rod or electronic receiver) to move or point in the direction of the treasure. Some claim it is from forces in the air, others say it is from the user's muscles moving when they respond to the frequency of the target found from a "signal line". Some variations of the passive long range detector include an electronic receiver that shows a response when pointed or moved to a target, similar to a radio direction finder. I suppose the signal is believed to originate from the hidden target in the case of a passive long range detector.

The second kind of LRL is an active detector, which consists of a transmitter and receiver used to locate hidden objects. The transmtter is usually held in your hand, while the receiver may not be seen in some of these gizmoes, as some LRL salesmen consider the LRL user to be the receiver (his body responds to the location of treasure when the treasure frequency is transmitted) I think this is the kind that is being addressed in this thread, but maybe both kind are included. Not sure about that.

It is interesting that a passive detector of the L-rod style can be easily modified to become an active detector by simply connecting a low voltage audio signal generator to the metal rods. Even more interesting is the Ranger tell uses a calculator to transmit by glueing it on top of a plastic box tthat contains a non-powered circuit inside. The plastic box with a radio antenna sticking out the front of it, and calculator glued on top is mounted on a swivel handle. Apparently the calculator clock and dividers are believed to broadcast a treasure signal that couples to the stuff inside the box and is sent out an antenna to the treasure. Perhaps the RangerTell principle was best described by the esteemed Dr. hung: "This is the principle in which the Rangertell Examiner works. Resonance to the elements subatomic levels when a carrier signal line is shot and returned".

So we can see from Dr. hung's explanation, the RangerTell principle is the calculator generates a treasure signal after pressing some calculator buttons. A non-powered circuit inside the plastic box causes this signal to be shot. And when shot signal returns to the RangerTell, it swivels to point in the direction of the treasure.

Hope this helps to understand about the treasure signal,
J_P

[Mike(Mont)]

FrankMD, go to the home page geotech1.com click on LRL then LRL reports. The frequency you asked about is used in the gold range on the VR locator. It appears to be one used for a large quantity. That could explain why I didn't detect the signal line on my test target.

[Theseus]

Hi Jim,
I can say a couple of things that may give some insight into the transmitter and wave propagation theory of LRLs.

Judging from posts made by LRL proponents and LRL salesmen in this forum, there are two kinds of LRLs that operate by audio frequency signals. These are passive detectors and active detectors. The passive detectors can be anything from a paint roller in your hand to an electronic passive receiver. The treasure signal is claimed to be detected when the passive receiver LRL is seen to move when the target is detected. It is unclear what causes the passive receiver (rod or electronic receiver) to move or point in the direction of the treasure. Some claim it is from forces in the air, others say it is from the user's muscles moving when they respond to the frequency of the target found from a "signal line". Some variations of the passive long range detector include an electronic receiver that shows a response when pointed or moved to a target, similar to a radio direction finder. I suppose the signal is believed to originate from the hidden target in the case of a passive long range detector.

The second kind of LRL is an active detector, which consists of a transmitter and receiver used to locate hidden objects. The transmtter is usually held in your hand, while the receiver may not be seen in some of these gizmoes, as some LRL salesmen consider the LRL user to be the receiver (his body responds to the location of treasure when the treasure frequency is transmitted) I think this is the kind that is being addressed in this thread, but maybe both kind are included. Not sure about that.

It is interesting that a passive detector of the L-rod style can be easily modified to become an active detector by simply connecting a low voltage audio signal generator to the metal rods. Even more interesting is the Ranger tell uses a calculator to transmit by glueing it on top of a plastic box tthat contains a non-powered circuit inside. The plastic box with a radio antenna sticking out the front of it, and calculator glued on top is mounted on a swivel handle. Apparently the calculator clock and dividers are believed to broadcast a treasure signal that couples to the stuff inside the box and is sent out an antenna to the treasure. Perhaps the RangerTell principle was best described by the esteemed Dr. hung: "This is the principle in which the Rangertell Examiner works. Resonance to the elements subatomic levels when a carrier signal line is shot and returned".

So we can see from Dr. hung's explanation, the RangerTell principle is the calculator generates a treasure signal after pressing some calculator buttons. A non-powered circuit inside the plastic box causes this signal to be shot. And when shot signal returns to the RangerTell, it swivels to point in the direction of the treasure.

Hope this helps to understand about the treasure signal,
J_P

Have you given any serious thought to "ghost" writing marketing copy for Vincent Blanes?
;)

[J_Player]

Have you given any serious thought to "ghost" writing marketing copy for Vincent Blanes?
;)Hi Theseus,
I don't need to give any thought to it.
Qiaozhi once made a similar post which ended up on the RangerTell website as another scientific testimonial.
I am sure Vincent Blanes will take what he considers to be helpful propaganda from my post to add to his website too .. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Best wishes,
J_P

[Qiaozhi]

Some claim it is from forces in the air, others say it is from the user's muscles moving when they respond to the frequency of the target found from a "signal line".
You missed out the third possibility - it's a "trick of the mind".

A simple ideomotor effect, which can easily be demonstrated by ouija boards, table tipping and automatic writing. :eek:

[J_Player]

Some claim it is from forces in the air, others say it is from the user's muscles moving when they respond to the frequency of the target found from a "signal line".
You missed out the third possibility - it's a "trick of the mind".

A simple ideomotor effect, which can easily be demonstrated by ouija boards, table tipping and automatic writing. :eek:Yup, I heard the "trick of the mind" explanation too... but this explanation usually comes from electronic engineers, not LRL salesmen. :rolleyes:

Best wishes,
J_P

[Qiaozhi]

Yup, I heard the "trick of the mind" explanation too... but this explanation usually comes from electronic engineers, not LRL salesmen. :rolleyes:

Best wishes,
J_P
If the device has a swinging handle, then it's "trick of the mind" dowsing rod, and has nothing to do with electronics ... even if you attach a non-powered box to the top of the handle and glue a calculator on top. :stars:

[Dell Winders]

Is your swinging handle a trick of your mind ? Dell

[Mike(Mont)]

FrankMD, did you find the reports page? While it is mostly negative viewpoint, you just have to get past that and see there is some good info there. As I said, I have been messing with the frequencies from the Treasure Scope Quad. I took the voltages and offsets and extrapolated some discriminator values to set in my frequency generator. Like I said, there is valuable info there if you can decipher it.

[WM6]

The name of the physics book:


"Encyclopedia of Physics" (second edition) by Rita G. Lerner/George L. Trigg

VCH Publishers, Inc.

I not here to prove anything to anyone. Just looking for a little open minded discussion.

I believe you. Impressive work.
But can you put here citation of paragraph where gold frequency is discussed?

[Esteban]

The "gold frequency" can vary significantly according to the alloy. But how is the atomic frequency (how many vibrations per second) of the atoms of pure gold?

[WM6]

The "gold frequency" can vary significantly according to the alloy. But how is the atomic frequency (how many vibrations per second) of the atoms of pure gold?

I give you this frequency in dr. Best ultimate LRL tread:

"If we know that characteristic resonate frequency of natural gold is 1730 MHz then we need to calculate wavelength from typical gold frequency which is 173 mm."


If you drag a parallel with the world of gold nano particles there is no unique resonant frequency for pure gold, but it depend on mass of nanoparticles in collodial solution.

The gold nanoparticles in diameter of 10–95 nm exhibit a resonance scattering peak at 580 nm. Others can vary:

Colloidal gold nanoparticle layer effective thicknesses: 0.16 nm, 0.28 nm, 0.60 nm, 1.36 nm
Colloidal gold nanoparticle peak absorption frequency: 650 nm
Colloidal gold nanoparticle absorption damping frequency: 280 nm


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