dr. Best Ultimate Single Chip Two Antennas LRL

[WM6]

Long avaiting, best of the best: dr. Best Ultimate Single Chip Two Antennas LRL is finally here.
Built around single Burn Browns chip INA121. Amazing! Never seen to this day, even on TV.

Order INA121 chip today - right now!

Seat down and enjoy!

All data on schematic (PCB 2.2x2.2 inch).

Dont use near to banks, jewelery or exchange posts! Never!

Here you are, complete schematic and PCB:
(here some simplified without output amplifier /V to F converter - marked as IC1/ which is replaced by simple LED indicator, but you can use instead of led indicator some kind of VU meter or add your own amplifier, as you wish,,, depending on your soil condition R1 can vary from 5 to 20 Ohms ,,,, put all circuit in metal (copper or rather silver) housing binded to ground point,,, and yes, spacing between antennas have to be from 3,5 and 5,3 cm).

[Geo]

Hi WM6.
Any details for L1, L2???
Is there any kind of sample ?????

Regards:)

[Esteban]

Hi WM6.
Any details for L1, L2???
Is there any kind of sample ?????

Regards:)

Geo

This doesn't work, and not in this very poor implementation. Is a simple joke.

Regards

[WM6]

Hi WM6.
Any details for L1, L2???
Is there any kind of sample ?????

Regards:)

In fact, L1 and L2, are not critical Geo.
You can compensate deviations by telescope antenas.

You can put on your finger 3 to 5 windings (dependent on which finger you use) of 2 mm dia Cul wire by same spacing between windings and you came out by 56nH.

I am sorry, but dr. Best are not alowed to publish photo of his more sophisticated final LRL device. He give us only simplified schematic and PCB of pure joy due personal bankruptcy his former wife.

[WM6]

Geo

This doesn't work, and not in this very poor implementation. Is a simple joke.

Regards

You never judge other products according to your own products.

Device is working, and working even far better than all Mineoros. Which are just extremly expensive joke.

And Esteban, take notice that the dr. Best plans may not be used commercially.

[Max]

Geo

This doesn't work, and not in this very poor implementation. Is a simple joke.

Regards


:lol:

doesn't work ! poor implementation! Simple joke! :D

Not like yours , uh ? :razz:

Kind regards,
Max

[Geo]

Geo

This doesn't work, and not in this very poor implementation. Is a simple joke.

Regards


Hi Esteban. INA121 is a low noise amplifier with max gain 10.000. So at low frequency it can detect (maybe) a signal smaller than 1uV. But it need some filters.....
One answer: does it see any different between the 2 antennas???
Regards:)

[J_Player]

Hi Esteban. INA121 is a low noise amplifier with max gain 10.000. So at low frequency it can detect (maybe) a signal smaller than 1uV. But it need some filters.....
One answer: does it see any different between the 2 antennas???
Regards:)Yes, good question.
If both antennas are close together, then maybe maybe they both will see the same gold signal. Maybe it is important to make the antenna spacing some distance from each other in order to detect the presence of gold signals shooting in the direction of the antennas.

Best wishes,
J_P

[WM6]

Yes, good question.
If both antennas are close together, then maybe maybe they both will see the same gold signal. Maybe it is important to make the antenna spacing some distance from each other in order to detect the presence of gold signals shooting in the direction of the antennas.

Best wishes,
J_P

As you stated, placement of antennas can be important question. Related to soil antennas have to be stacked. So below antenna load more capacitance from soil in comparisons to upper antenna so signal by right antennas position cannot be the same. Additional this help to establish right direction to gold cause dip can be strongest in position in which no one of antennas cover apart other antenna reflected VHF signal from buried gold. A strong and sharp signal is obtained only from the precious metal with a smooth surface with no rust, therefore, filters are not necessary.

But for more advanced and experienced LRL user dr. Best suggest to build spiral wide-band antenna which represent big improvement in comparisons to telescope antennas. Spiral antennas are connected by center of windings to pin2 and pin3 of INA121, by other end of coil over 22pf C to ground point and spaced between each other for 1/2 of diameter of antenna (you can figure it by attached picture).

Even better than spiral antenna can be Pyramidal logarithmic quadro spiral antenna as currently used in their LRL devices dr. Best, but it is hard to build in the home workshop.


http://meissnerresearch.com/images/15.jpg

[J_Player]

...But for more advanced and experienced LRL user dr. Best suggest to build spiral wide-band antenna which represent big improvement in comparisons to telescope antennas. Spiral antennas are connected by center of windings to pin2 and pin3 of INA121, by other end of coil over 22pf C to ground point and spaced between each other for 1/2 of diameter of antenna (you can figure it by attached picture).

Even better than spiral antenna can be Pyramidal logarithmic quadro spiral antenna as currently used in their LRL devices dr. Best, but it is hard to build in the home workshop.


http://meissnerresearch.com/images/15.jpgYes, We can see the construction of the spiral antenna for big improvements over the telescopic antennas. But what about the Pyramidal logarithmic quadro spiral antenna? Is this antenna only used in the Dr. Best secret LRLs?

Best wishes,
J_P

[WM6]

Yes, We can see the construction of the spiral antenna for big improvements over the telescopic antennas. But what about the Pyramidal logarithmic quadro spiral antenna? Is this antenna only used in the Dr. Best secret LRLs?

Best wishes,
J_P

In the final version of the Ultimate LRL rev. 3.2, dr. Best use only Pyramidal logarithmic quadro spiral antenna. Probably antenas structure not to be publish until anything gold is find in the ground.

[Geo]

As you stated, placement of antennas can be important question. Related to soil antennas have to be stacked. So below antenna load more capacitance from soil in comparisons to upper antenna so signal by right antennas position cannot be the same. Additional this help to establish right direction to gold cause dip can be strongest in position in which no one of antennas cover apart other antenna reflected VHF signal from buried gold. A strong and sharp signal is obtained only from the precious metal with a smooth surface with no rust, therefore, filters are not necessary.

But for more advanced and experienced LRL user dr. Best suggest to build spiral wide-band antenna which represent big improvement in comparisons to telescope antennas. Spiral antennas are connected by center of windings to pin2 and pin3 of INA121, by other end of coil over 22pf C to ground point and spaced between each other for 1/2 of diameter of antenna (you can figure it by attached picture).

Even better than spiral antenna can be Pyramidal logarithmic quadro spiral antenna as currently used in their LRL devices dr. Best, but it is hard to build in the home workshop.


http://meissnerresearch.com/images/15.jpg





Hi. We need filters at least for 50/60 Hz. Also we have strong signal at gold even if near it there is rust.
Regards

[WM6]

Spiral antenna need some changes in schematic nad PCB. Separate inductor of 56nH not needed anymore, it is now included in antenna inductivity.

All mods here in this new design.

[WM6]

Hi. We need filters at least for 50/60 Hz. Also we have strong signal at gold even if near it there is rust.
Regards

Hi Geo, if you work under power line you need 50/60Hz filter for sure. The same near railway. About 500 m away from such disturbances you do not need filter anymore. But if you wish you can put VLF compensative capacitor 22nF in parallel to R1. In this case you can not count on VLF signal detection. Dr. Best rejects the use of filters. In case of strong outer disturbances spiral antenas can bi installed in plastic tube (as for sewer use) shielded by householding alu foil connected to ground point.

In case of gold signal is strong and sharp. In case of rusty ferro signal is still strong but towed and not sharp. In case of gold and rusty ferro combination signal is strong and towed with sharp dips. One need reasonable practice to achieve good distinguish between signals.

[Fred]

Where do you glue the calculator ?

[WM6]

Where do you glue the calculator ?

In inner pocket of jeans by advanced digital cycle version. Here we presented Ultimate analog version of LRL.

If someone interested, here approximate wideband spiral coil data: outer diameter 222mm, inner diameter 22mm, wire diameter 2,2mm, inductance 222uH, number of turns 50, lenght of used wire 19m/coil. One can experiment with very different diameters, wires or tubes, nr. of turns, shieldings etc.

Some samples:

[Fred]

It seems you´re deeply into PI´s coils :shocked:

[ma330]

hi dear wm6
please guide me abuot built coil 56nh in dr.best in 2 anenna ???
i want dr.best 2 antenna.please guide me.

[Max]

hi dear wm6
please guide me abuot built coil 56nh in dr.best in 2 anenna ???
i want dr.best 2 antenna.please guide me.

glue the calculator on your forehead! Will work better than spiral antenna! :lol:

[GOLDENSKULL]

Hi to all friends,

anybody build this LRL ?
Did this device work?!!! :shocked:

[WM6]

hi dear wm6
please guide me abuot built coil 56nh in dr.best in 2 anenna ???
i want dr.best 2 antenna.please guide me.

Hi, dear ma330

regarding your question, please, read answer to Geo in post #4, this tread.

If you still are not satisfied, then follow this guide:

- Use 330k (or better more) Ohms resistor with body diameter 5 mm,
- Use Enameled Cu wire diameter 1.23 mm (to 1.36 mm),
- solder one end of wire to one end of resistor contacts,
- wound exactly 4 turns of wire on resistor body by spacing between turns same as wire diameter (coil have to be length about 9.5mm),
- solder free second wire end to free second resistor contact,
- lacquer your design to consolidate coil on resistor body (use nail lack of your sister).

Now, inductor of 56nH is yours!

Hurry up, gold is waiting!

[WM6]

Hi to all friends,

anybody build this LRL ?
Did this device work?!!! :shocked:

As dr. Best say this is not pessimistic device, this is an optimistic LRL.

Sure that they work as any other commercially LRL.

I suggest you to build spiral implementation of this device.

Here an example how to build dual spiral coil sensor:

[Fred]

Ok ,
already built this one from your picture,
Is this close enough ?
I detect many things but not sure of size of treasures.
There is gold everywhere in my house and i suppose it is making interferences.
The closer one coming from the coaxial connectors that connect to the antenna itself :angry:
Tried to scrap it but surely some atoms remains.
Please help me i need to find a treasure urgently!

[WM6]

Ok ,
already built this one from your picture,
Is this close enough ?
I detect many things but not sure of size of treasures.
There is gold everywhere in my house and i suppose it is making interferences.
The closer one coming from the coaxial connectors that connect to the antenna itself :angry:
Tried to scrap it but surely some atoms remains.
Please help me i need to find a treasure urgently!

Excelent work Fred.
As I see you prefer fixed static sensor and I decided to build mobile.
About gold, dont hurry, maybe you live in prohibited aerea and you ned some cap support.
Placing of both spiral coil isnt critical but it is advisable to leave the possibility of a subsequent regulation of distance. Winding of spiral coil isnt critical too only inductivity have to be over 220 nH. For phase shift tunning leave both (or at least one) coil rotating.

Look at picture one of our testing LRL device in spiral sensor design (equiped with beep instead of VU meter), just like idea for possible design. I detected golden dental prosthesis of my uncle at 1.75 km (more uncle did not want to go).

[J_Player]

Ok ,
already built this one from your picture,
Is this close enough ?
I detect many things but not sure of size of treasures.
There is gold everywhere in my house and i suppose it is making interferences.
The closer one coming from the coaxial connectors that connect to the antenna itself :angry:
Tried to scrap it but surely some atoms remains.
Please help me i need to find a treasure urgently!Hi Fred,
The problem is all the gold artifacts inside your house are causing the antenna to give signals stronger than the signals from buried treasure. If you can't move your antenna, then you should shield your gold items in your house so you can detect new treasures. You can wrap all your gold items in platinum foil or screening (make sure the platinum shields are grounded to earth ground). This will effectively shield the gold signal from the antenna. When finished with shielding the gold inside your house, then replace the gold coax connectors at the antenna with aluminum or stainless steel. And also be careful if you have any gold fillings in your teeth. If you cannot have your gold fillings removed, then shield them with platinum foil too. Any remaining signals you pick up will be from new treasure, not from interferences.

Hope this helps.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Esteban]

Hi Esteban. INA121 is a low noise amplifier with max gain 10.000. So at low frequency it can detect (maybe) a signal smaller than 1uV. But it need some filters.....
One answer: does it see any different between the 2 antennas???
Regards:)

... and? Is a simple joke! :lol:

[Esteban]

Hi to all friends,

anybody build this LRL ?
Did this device work?!!! :shocked:

Of course, not!

[Fred]

Placing of both spiral coil isnt critical but it is advisable to leave the possibility of a subsequent regulation of distance.
I can see how you resolved the conector problem at the rear spiral : you used the new technology of non-conductive waveguide.


Hi Fred... J_P
Hi JP,
Thanks for the hints, i am working on it.
but i have problems grounding to earth ground my teeth shields.
I have lead fillings too, thinking to use them as ground.

[J_Player]

Thanks for the hints, i am working on it.
but i have problems grounding to earth ground my teeth shields.
I have lead fillings too, thinking to use them as ground.Hi Fred,
If you have gold fillings and also lead fillings, the problem is much worse. You will have a "mouth battery" problem with DC current to also interfere. I think best solution is to make a platinum helmet to shield all your head when treasure hunting. In order to get a proper ground, you can wear golf shoes with metal cleats, and run a braided ground wire connected from the helmet to the metal cleats on your shoes. This should remove the last traces of interference to your LRL antenna. But be careful you always have one foot touching the soil for proper ground.

Best wishes,
J_P

[GOLDENSKULL]

hi wm6,

I want build this device (LRL) ...

You use chip INA121 for amplify receive signals...
I can use other preamps or other chip for this purpose ?
Did best antenna is spiral ?
How you tune this LRL to detect only gold signals ?

[Fred]

Solved:
With special modification to avoid mouth battery induced radiation.

[Esteban]

hi wm6,

I want build this device (LRL) ...

You use chip INA121 for amplify receive signals...
I can use other preamps or other chip for this purpose ?
Did best antenna is spiral ?
How you tune this LRL to detect only gold signals ?

They are making only jokes... :lol:

[Max]

They are making only jokes... :lol:

We made also LRL circuits...... but they don't work...

so maybe better making jokes... more funny!

Kind regards,
Max

[GOLDENSKULL]

Hi Fred,

Did you make this device ?
please share your results...!!!

and show us with picture, how make spiral coil and how connect it to schematic of LRL ?

[WM6]

Of course, not! They are making only jokes.

Dear Esteban, you start here argue that LRLs are not working. This is unbelievable. Are you ok?

[Geo]

... and? Is a simple joke! :lol:

Hi Esteban.
I believe that it is joke, but it is a good amplifier to replace the first stages of PCB5.....
Are you agree..... very good gain, hight slew rate


Regards:)

[Fred]

Hi Esteban.
I believe that it is joke, but it is a good amplifier to replace the first stages of PCB5.....
Are you agree..... very good gain, hight slew rate


Regards:)
This is true, this IC is an excellent choise.Seriously.


To Goldenskull: no, it´s only a joke.You won´t find a working schematic of a working LRL anywhere - and this is the best place on the world to look for.

[Esteban]

This is true, this IC is an excellent choise.Seriously.


To Goldenskull: no, it´s only a joke.You won´t find a working schematic of a working LRL anywhere - and this is the best place on the world to look for.

Maybe soon, a demo version...? :rolleyes:

[Esteban]

Dear Esteban, you start here argue that LRLs are not working. This is unbelievable. Are you ok?

The circuit you posted, no!!! :lol:

[Esteban]

We made also LRL circuits...... but they don't work...

so maybe better making jokes... more funny!

Kind regards,
Max

Maybe you need more devotion! :lol:

[J_Player]

The circuit you posted, no!!! :lol:Hi Esteban,
You argue the circuit posted is not working. But you have never built this circuit for testing in the exact manner as Dr. Best. Maybe this circuit will not work with your FM radio version of LRL, but maybe works good with the spiral antenna for big improvements over the telescopic antennas.

Have you tested this circuit using the dual spiral antenna with advanced non-conductive wave guide and provisions to rotate for phase shifting as shown by WM6?
No?
Then how can you know it does not work? :nono:

Maybe it will be best if you first build the pyramidal logarithmic quadro spiral antenna, which is said to give best performance, and connect to the antenna this circuit with exact same components as shown. Then be careful to put shields on all nearby gold things. After testing with proper antenna, then you will have qualifications to determine if it works or not. :cool:

Best wishes,
J_P

[WM6]

hi wm6,

I want build this device (LRL) ...

You use chip INA121 for amplify receive signals...
I can use other preamps or other chip for this purpose ?
Did best antenna is spiral ?
How you tune this LRL to detect only gold signals ?


Good decision dear GOLDENSKULL, much better than buy other expensive LRL crap like mineoros, which cannot be tunned to gold but only to earth. What for tunning to earth? Only dr. Best Ultimate spiral sensor LRL can be tunned to gold, no other primitive telescopic antenna LRL solutions like mineoros.

And yes, build this LRL with spiral antenna is the best solution fo your homemade conditions. You can try both given schematic and make you sure.

Sorry, there is no known one chip replacement for INA121, therefore I recommend you ti find it and use. This is practically only critical part in schematics. Read this tread carefully.

Tunning to gold is only possible by dr. Best Ultimate dual spiral sensor. If we know that characteristic resonate frequency of natural gold is 1730MHz then we need to calculate wavelength from typical gold frequency which is 173mm. For distance between both spiral sensor coil we can use only multiple half-wavelength (mean 86,5mm) starting with multiplier 1x, the we can use 2x, 3x etc. half-wavelength. Half-wavelength because we have two spiral sensor and have to divide wavelength by 2. For fine tune one can borrow gold bar at the bank and tune by it dr. Best Ultimate LRL on gold at different half wave positions before the spiral front coil. Phase shift for ground effect elimination you can tune by rotating one of spiral coil sensor.

So all is logical (except circuit which is analog) and scientifically based.

Have you ever heard of the magic Golden number? Here you are: 173oMHz / 173mm - only by natural gold!!!!

[GOLDENSKULL]

Hi wm6,

thanks...

please tell us more about building spiral antenna sensor and show in schematic where spiral antenna connect to board ?
also please give us exactly spiral antenna dimensions and it's material to detect gold?
if possible show detail of spiral antenna with picture... ;)
I am waiting for your answer... :rolleyes:

[WM6]

Why use dual spiral sensor, not only one, or use of primitive telescopic antenna?

Here some scientifically based data in excerpt from Russian Physics Journal, Vol. 48, No. 9, 2005


In the present article, the design of a two-spiral flat coil intended for detecting NQR signals is described. Results of calculations of its magnetic fields and field non-uniformities are presented for windings of different types. It is demonstrated that the two-spiral coil field is localized in the near-field zone and has more uniform structure than the field of the conventional spiral coil with the same radius and winding type. It is emphasized that the two-spiral coil has higher sensitivity than the analogous conventional flat coil.

The description of methods of detecting 14N NQR signals with the use of a transceiving flat spiral coil can be found in [4–9]. In [7] windings of different types were analyzed and it was pointed out that the optimal winding for the spiral coil of a given diameter obeys the law
b = a ln(1 + k φ) ,
where b is the radial winding coordinate, φ is the current angle of the winding element in the polar system of coordinates, k is the coefficient determined by the coil dimension and the number of turns, and a is the logarithmic winding spacing.

On the other hand, the results of calculations demonstrate that the radio-frequency field of spiral coils is analogous to that of a single turn with current and radius equal to that of the coil. The denser the coil winding toward the external spiral radius, the closer the spiral winding field to that of the turn with current. As is well known (for example, see [12]), the coil with current has a wide effective directivity pattern; as a consequence, the spiral coil with the density of windings increasing toward the external coil radius will have low spatial selectivity and large noise level. The flat spiral coil with uniform winding [8, 11] has still a greater number of disadvantages than the coil with non-uniform winding.

At the same time, to increase the signal-to-noise ratio of the receiving antenna, the radio-frequency field of the coil must be localized in the volume being detected, and as already indicated above, a very uniform field must be created by the transmitting coil. In the present work, we suggest a two-spiral flat transceiving coil to improve the method and means for detecting NQR signals with flat spiral coils [8, 10]. The characteristics of this coil for a preset volume being detected are better than those of the conventional flat spiral coil with the same radius. We consider two-spiral flat coils of two types with constant winding spacing and spacing that obeys law (1) as well as give results of calculations of radio-frequency fields for coils of both types and of their average relative field non-uniformities together with measurements of NQR signal intensity with the two-spiral coils versus the distance from the examined sample.

[Fred]

Not to forget to wind the coils in oposite direction, and to check correct winding and resonance that no conductivity must be measured between ends of a same coil. : as we all know when in resonnace impedence of a coil raise sharply.

[WM6]

Hi wm6,

thanks...

please tell us more about building spiral antenna sensor and show in schematic where spiral antenna connect to board ?
also please give us exactly spiral antenna dimensions and it's material to detect gold?
if possible show detail of spiral antenna with picture... ;)
I am waiting for your answer... :rolleyes:

L1 and L2 (here only residue from first schematic with telescopic antenna) represent both spiral antennas. You simply replace L1 and L2 by spiral coils.

To build spiral antenna nothing is critical. But ideally for gold treasure you can follow this data:

- outer coil diameter 173mm
- number of turns 17,3 (because of centered beginning mean practically 17 full turns)
- material copper tube with hole not smaller than 1,73mm (copper wire diameter 1.73 mm on a supporting plate (see picture at post # 9) will also be good.)

Coil inductivity for gold have to be bigger than 173nH.

Not to forget to wind the coils in opposite direction, and to check correct winding and resonance that no conductivity must be measured between ends of a same coil. : as we all know when in resonance impedance of a coil raise sharply.

Yes Fred, thank you. Of course we are speaking about 1730MHz on which natural gold resonate (although we do not need to worry about resonance by spiral antenna because it is wide-band in contrary of telescopic antennas). For others metal this instructions are not adequate and need adoptions.

[Fred]

Yes Fred, thank you. Of course we are speaking about 1730MHz on which natural gold resonate. For other frequencies this instructions are not valid.
Absolutely, except for all its harmonics and sub-harmonics (i think).
We could also measure amperage at coil ends, but for that we need Hung´s advice.

[J_Player]

Why use dual spiral sensor, not only one, or use of primitive telescopic antenna?

Here some scientifically based data in excerpt from Russian Physics Journal, Vol. 48, No. 9, 2005

In the present article, the design of a two-spiral flat coil intended for detecting NQR signals is described. Results of calculations of its magnetic fields and field non-uniformities are presented for windings of different types. It is demonstrated that the two-spiral coil field is localized in the near-field zone and has more uniform structure than the field of the conventional spiral coil with the same radius and winding type. It is emphasized that the two-spiral coil has higher sensitivity than the analogous conventional flat coil.

The description of methods of detecting 14N NQR signals with the use of a transceiving flat spiral coil can be found in [4–9]. In [7] windings of different types were analyzed and it was pointed out that the optimal winding for the spiral coil of a given diameter obeys the law
b = a ln(1 + k φ) ,
where b is the radial winding coordinate, φ is the current angle of the winding element in the polar system of coordinates, k is the coefficient determined by the coil dimension and the number of turns, and a is the logarithmic winding spacing.

On the other hand, the results of calculations demonstrate that the radio-frequency field of spiral coils is analogous to that of a single turn with current and radius equal to that of the coil. The denser the coil winding toward the external spiral radius, the closer the spiral winding field to that of the turn with current.As is well known (for example, see [12]), the coil with current has a wide effective directivity pattern; as a consequence, the spiral coil with the density of windings increasing toward the external coil radius will have low spatial selectivity and large noise level. The flat spiral coil with uniform winding [8, 11] has still a greater number of disadvantages than the coil with non-uniform winding.

At the same time, to increase the signal-to-noise ratio of the receiving antenna, the radio-frequency field of the coil must be localized in the volume being detected, and as already indicated above, a very uniform field must be created by the transmitting coil. In the present work, we suggest a two-spiral flat transceiving coil to improve the method and means for detecting NQR signals with flat spiral coils [8, 10]. The characteristics of this coil for a preset volume being detected are better than those of the conventional flat spiral coil with the same radius. We consider two-spiral flat coils of two types with constant winding spacing and spacing that obeys law (1) as well as give results of calculations of radio-frequency fields for coils of both types and of their average relative field non-uniformities together with measurements of NQR signal intensity with the two-spiral coils versus the distance from the examined sample.Hi WM6,
After reading the Russian Physics Journal excerpt, I can see that the double spiral antenna (while an improvement over the single spiral), still has serious limitations in the signal to noise ratio. ie: The spiral coil must be localized in the volume of the RF field being detected, a very uniform field must be created by a transmitting coil.

Now, considering we are searching for gold, the dual spiral coil antenna will not be centered in a uniform gold RF field. Knowing that the gold signal is "shot in a signal line", a treasure hunter would have to be very lucky to be holding the antenna in the middle of this "shot signal" by chance. Therefore we can expect he will be getting a very poor signal to noise ratio with much random beeping until he gets lucky enough to cross into a gold signal line with the antenna. In addition, he will need to continually adjust the rotation, hoping to achieve proper phasing while searching for a gold signal line to position the antenna. I can see how treasure hunting could take some long time when using this dual spiral antenna.

For this reason I think it is of urgent importance to secure the design details for the advanced pyramidal logarithmic quadro spiral antenna. With the pyramidal logarithmic design, the reception will no longer be restricted to the limitations of law-1: b = a ln(1 + k φ) , and because it is a quadro design, the side-lobes of the gold signal are not lost as in the single and dual spiral designs. Is there any chance we will see some construction details for the pyramidal logarithmic quadro spiral antenna?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Max]

You guys forgot to add an autoreversing magnetic spin accelerator.... all this stuff will not work without... I warned you! :D

Also, will be useful some spare plutonium rod to generate energy required....

But I think Dr. Best found alternatives already, like cold fusion cells... made of tungsten doped with cerium oxides. :rolleyes:

btw.... I miss that issue of Russian Journal of Physics... :frown:

Kind regards,
Max

[WM6]

Hi WM6,
After reading the Russian Physics Journal excerpt, I can see that the double spiral antenna (while an improvement over the single spiral), still has serious limitations in the signal to noise ratio. ie: The spiral coil must be localized in the volume of the RF field being detected, a very uniform field must be created by a transmitting coil.

Now, considering we are searching for gold, the dual spiral coil antenna will not be centered in a uniform gold RF field. Knowing that the gold signal is "shot in a signal line", a treasure hunter would have to be very lucky to be holding the antenna in the middle of this "shot signal" by chance. Therefore we can expect he will be getting a very poor signal to noise ratio with much random beeping until he gets lucky enough to cross into a gold signal line with the antenna. In addition, he will need to continually adjust the rotation, hoping to achieve proper phasing while searching for a gold signal line to position the antenna. I can see how treasure hunting could take some long time when using this dual spiral antenna.

For this reason I think it is of urgent importance to secure the design details for the advanced pyramidal logarithmic quadro spiral antenna. With the pyramidal logarithmic design, the reception will no longer be restricted to the limitations of law-1: b = a ln(1 + k φ) , and because it is a quadro design, the side-lobes of the gold signal are not lost as in the single and dual spiral designs. Is there any chance we will see some construction details for the pyramidal logarithmic quadro spiral antenna?

Best wishes,
J_P

Hi J_P

You are right.

But for now we have only complete data for flat spiral sensor.

Dr Best is allowed only to publish picture of (from previous medium development phase), conical testing sensor without any data. But maybe someone can try to build this sensor too, according picture.

[Max]

Hi J_P

You are right.

But for now we have only complete data for flat spiral sensor.

Dr Best is allowed only to publish picture of (from previous medium development phase), conical testing sensor without any data. But maybe someone can try to build this sensor too, according picture.

:D

I wonder what will be next step.. ;)

Kind regards,
Max

[Fred]

I have been experimenting and found that after your non-conductive waveguide i could make also a non-conductive spiral antenna, by ionising gas.
Actually the antenna istself and ionising circuits are already done :

9548

It has certain advantages at night, and it is a proven fact that with it you dig less empty holes (for small targets) than with spiral coils made of conventional materials.
Note that this is a double spitral antena, not triple like yours.

[WM6]

You guys forgot to add an autoreversing magnetic spin accelerator.... all this stuff will not work without... I warned you! :D

Also, will be useful some spare plutonium rod to generate energy required....

But I think Dr. Best found alternatives already, like cold fusion cells... made of tungsten doped with cerium oxides. :rolleyes:

btw.... I miss that issue of Russian Journal of Physics... :frown:

Kind regards,
Max

It seems strong to me that your faith in this magnificent project is not strong enough?
I guess Estebans doubt to him undermine you?
Don't forget that LRL community count on your support.

[WM6]

I have been experimenting and found that after your non-conductive waveguide .

Hey Fred, this is not nonconducting waveguide, this is Hi Tech carbon shielding (delicate litz wire inside).

As you stated, triple spiral, middle conductor connected to ground point for shielding role.

But there is quite considerable reason in your proposal.

But at last, all data was given, go on work boys!

[Fred]

The nonconductive ((flexible) waveguide i was referring to are the ones you used to connect both spirals in the picture of your post #24 :

9550

I have noticed the your pictures are shrinking and will soon reach the stamp size- synonym of supreme perfection in the LRL world.

[J_Player]

The nonconductive ((flexible) waveguide i was referring to are the ones you used to connect both spirals in the picture of your post #24 :

I have noticed the your pictures are shrinking and will soon reach the stamp size- synonym of supreme perfection in the LRL world.Hi Fred,
I see your version of the spiral coil seems to show some degree of radiant EM energy, probably caused by heavy ionization in the vicinity of the coil/nonconductive flexible wave guide. I also see the image of the Dr. Best pyramidal logarithmic quadro spiral antenna is radiating in several colors and only using carbon-litz technology (personally I think there is a flexible nonconductive wave guide concealed under the cone). Are these flexible non-conductive wave guides secret technology taken from space alien ships? Is this what causes these antennas to radiate colors and to shrink to the size of supreme perfection in the LRL world?

If these antennas continue to shrink, then they will eventually reach the dimensions of quantum energies, and will take on a timeless character which allows to travel to the past for viewing the original time of burying the metal. This is the ultimate form of the LRL perfection. Maybe we need to be careful with these flexible non-conductive wave guides, so we can return to the correct present time with the treasures? :???:

Best wishes,
J_P

[nelson]

I had build this too has an antenna for hams bands
Can anyone, tell me how to cennect this spiral antena to the divice show here, cause for hamradio, you use aligator clips to conect the antenna. One goes to the coax shield and the other goes to the center of the coax. But in this divise seems that the te start pont of the spiral and the end of the spiral for one side, connects to L1 and the other connects to L2, is this correct?
Regards
Nelson


Ok ,
already built this one from your picture,
Is this close enough ?
I detect many things but not sure of size of treasures.
There is gold everywhere in my house and i suppose it is making interferences.
The closer one coming from the coaxial connectors that connect to the antenna itself :angry:
Tried to scrap it but surely some atoms remains.
Please help me i need to find a treasure urgently!

[nelson]

Hi Fred.
About this divice, have you got any succsess.
Today i just order the chip for this project, so please let us know more about your expirencies.
Kind regards
Nelson


Ok ,
already built this one from your picture,
Is this close enough ?
I detect many things but not sure of size of treasures.
There is gold everywhere in my house and i suppose it is making interferences.
The closer one coming from the coaxial connectors that connect to the antenna itself :angry:
Tried to scrap it but surely some atoms remains.
Please help me i need to find a treasure urgently!

[Fred]

Hi Fred.
About this divice, have you got any succsess.
Today i just order the chip for this project, so please let us know more about your expirencies.
Kind regards
Nelson
Just´kidding Neslon, dont waste your time ! :frown:

[nelson]

Hi Fred, so you didn´t made the divice?
Well, i think that must be something of thru on this, but if no one mede it, it will be impossible to know if is a fake or if it really have a chance to work.
Regards
Nelson


Just´kidding Neslon, dont waste your time ! :frown:

[Max]

Hi Fred, so you didn´t made the divice?
Well, i think that must be something of thru on this, but if no one mede it, it will be impossible to know if is a fake or if it really have a chance to work.
Regards
Nelson

It's a joke...

as you can see... if don't focus attention enough or haven't skills required you can be tricked very easy by some pseudo-working lrl schematic... ;)

But , at least, people here who made the joke at the end tell you ! :lol:

Some perseverate years posting lunatic circuits... that will never work in reality. ;)

Kind regards,
Max

[Qiaozhi]

Hi Fred, so you didn´t made the divice?
Well, i think that must be something of thru on this, but if no one mede it, it will be impossible to know if is a fake or if it really have a chance to work.
Regards
Nelson
Hi Nelson,

This whole thread is a spoof. WM6 is pulling your leg. :D

[J_Player]

It's a joke...

as you can see... if don't focus attention enough or haven't skills required you can be tricked very easy by some pseudo-working lrl schematic... ;)

But , at least, people here who made the joke at the end tell you ! :lol:Grrrr....
I resent your blasphemous remarks!

I have been counting on the Dr. Best pyramidal logarithmic quadro spiral antenna to replace my dated carbon-litz technology. And my entire financial future depends on successfully building a flexible nonconductive wave guide to guarantee success in finding fabulous treasures with an LRL.
Now you come and tell us it's all a joke? :nono:

Where there is a will, there is a way.
I will find a way to prove (at least to myself) that all unknown technologies shown above are true science! :razz:

Best wishes, :cool:
J_P

[Fred]

I will find a way to prove (at least to myself) that all unknown technologies shown above are true science! :razz:
Best wishes, :cool:
J_P

Professionals call this action "Debunkering", whathever it means ...

[nelson]

I wish i can understand much english, so this way i ll not fall into jokes.
Anyway thanks all good people that advice me about this joke, before i purchase the components:shrug:
Regards
Nelson


Hi Nelson,

This whole thread is a spoof. WM6 is pulling your leg. :D

[Esteban]

I wish i can understand much english, so this way i ll not fall into jokes.
Anyway thanks all good people that advice me about this joke, before i purchase the components:shrug:
Regards
Nelson

Nelson, el 28 advertÃ* de que era una joda. Y no fue la única vez. Mira la captura de página:

[nelson]

Es verdad Esteban, muchas gracias por tus buenos consejos.
Aprovechando el tema, necesito armar un detector de larga distancia para buscar en dos zonas donde se dice que existirÃ*an entierros españoles. El próximo verano yo y un amigo, vamos a ir nuevamente a explorar el lugar con detectores de pulso (Pulse Star Pro II y Delta Pulse). Tal vez podamos levar un Deepers 6, eso lo sabré en un mes mas.
En toso caso también me gustarÃ*a saber cual de todos los equipos me recomiendas armar para esta efecto, el zahorie o tal vez el que armó el amigo Morgan.
De antemano muchas gracias por todo Esteban y te felicito por el empeño y entusiasmo que le pones a tus proyectos.
Un abrazo hermano.
Atte.
Nelson


Nelson, el 28 advertÃ* de que era una joda. Y no fue la única vez. Mira la captura de página:

[Esteban]

Es verdad Esteban, muchas gracias por tus buenos consejos.
Aprovechando el tema, necesito armar un detector de larga distancia para buscar en dos zonas donde se dice que existirÃ*an entierros españoles. El próximo verano yo y un amigo, vamos a ir nuevamente a explorar el lugar con detectores de pulso (Pulse Star Pro II y Delta Pulse). Tal vez podamos levar un Deepers 6, eso lo sabré en un mes mas.
En toso caso también me gustarÃ*a saber cual de todos los equipos me recomiendas armar para esta efecto, el zahorie o tal vez el que armó el amigo Morgan.
De antemano muchas gracias por todo Esteban y te felicito por el empeño y entusiasmo que le pones a tus proyectos.
Un abrazo hermano.
Atte.
Nelson

OK, serÃ*a a fin de año casi?

Un abrazo

Esteban

[Max]

Nelson, el 28 advertÃ* de que era una joda. Y no fue la única vez. Mira la captura de página:

But I don't see warning about your stamp sized designs.... :rolleyes:

Maybe just if WM6 is the author you step in writing it's a joke! :lol:

Now tell me... how the heck you think to detect buried metals using a thing like Zahori...

Hmmm...

Why don't you make some outing here...

let people know about truth and let people focus on working stuff ???:D

Kind regards,
Max

[WM6]

9548

It has certain advantages at night, and it is a proven fact that with it you dig less empty holes (for small targets) than with spiral coils made of conventional materials.
Note that this is a double spitral antena, not triple like yours.

Good proposal. Only color have to be deep blue, cause yellow can not be adequate for moonlight searching. Moonlight time when gold radiates most polymorphic ions. Yellow rays cancel to invisible gold ions.

[WM6]

Maybe just if WM6 is the author you step in writing it's a joke! :lol:

Max

Esteban only demonstrate how Mineoro marketing works.

But dr. Best do not need marketing, because his Ultimate Single Chip Two Spiral Antennas LRLs are not expensive cheapy-crapy waste like Mineoros but is totally free.

[Fred]

Good proposal. Only color have to be deep blue, cause yellow can not be adequate for moonlight searching. Moonlight time when gold radiates most polymorphic ions. Yellow rays cancel to invisible gold ions.
That confirms how gold ions radiation can be dangerous.
Here you can see a LRL user (studies where unable to determine if man or woman) that found a very big treasure. He was hit by migrating gold ions.

[homefire]

Hmmmmm! Gold Ions! :D

May be chip would help here.

[WM6]

That confirms how gold ions radiation can be dangerous.
Here you can see a LRL user (studies where unable to determine if man or woman) that found a very big treasure. He was hit by migrating gold ions.

Hair is not washed, so untouched. The gold ions are very sensitive to personal hygiene.


Hmmmmm! Gold Ions! :D May be chip would help here.


Confidetial report: Mineoro in his hidden laboratory deep in the jungle is already developing ion detector chip using INA121.

[Rudy]

Hmm, a simple, very high gain bridge circuit, with no provisions to balance it to achieve best sensitivity on the meter. I presume the meter is zero center type?

[J_Player]

.

[homefire]

Hmm, a simple, very high gain bridge circuit, with no provisions to balance it to achieve best sensitivity on the meter. I presume the meter is zero center type?

The first schematic if you notice has a mirror amp 180 out to help cancel noise.:cool:

[J_Player]

That confirms how gold ions radiation can be dangerous.
Here you can see a LRL user (studies where unable to determine if man or woman) that found a very big treasure. He was hit by migrating gold ions.Hi Fred,
It appears this person died due to excessive gold ion migration. Am I correct?

If so, then I suggest you recover the remains of this LRL user before government agencies declare him an archaeological artifact (gold statue) to be placed in a national museum. This statue would be much better displayed in your private art collection than put on public display where small children may become confused about gender and maturity of se.xual appendages.

ps. Is this statue shrinking like the antenna did?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Fred]

Hi Fred,
It appears this person is dead due to excessive gold ion migration. Am I correct?
Hi JP, :lol:

Absolutely, and now we have indiscutable proof of massive gold migration.
Aparently "it" discovered a big treasure with the help of some (working) LRL, but went too close.Smells of burnt transistors -among other things- was present, as reported by the subject´s team (who escaped unharmed.)


If so, then I suggest you recover the remains of this LRL user before government agencies declare him an archaeological artifact (gold statue) to be placed in a national museum. This statue would be much better displayed in your private art collection than put on public display where small children may become confused about gender and maturity of se.xual appendages.

ps. Is this statue shrinking like the antenna did?

Best wishes,
J_P

I would advice anyone to keep away from it for several reasons, one of the most important is that there is the possibility of massive gold migration again,wich could be life threatening.

And i agree about the confusion it may induce...i don´t know if it´s [the statue] shrinking, ( if you keep looking you may find out)... but it certainly looks like it has shrunk already.


Regards,
Fred.

[J_Player]

....and now we have indiscutable proof of massive gold migration.
Aparently "it" discovered a big treasure with the help of some (working) LRL, but went too close.Smells of burnt transistors -among other things- was present, as reported by the subject´s team (who escaped unharmed.)

I would advice anyone to keep away from it for several reasons, one of the most important is that there is the possibility of massive gold migration again,wich could be life threatening.

And i agree about the confusion it may induce...i don´t know if it´s [the statue] shrinking, ( if you keep looking you may find out)... but it certainly looks like it has shrunk already.Now this opens some interesting questions...

This whole account brings to mind the story of king Midas, who was endowed with the ability to turn anything he touched into gold. We hear that he was given this ability by a god named Dionysus, who warned him about the consequences before endowing Midas with this "golden touch". Midas soon learned the dangers of gold migration when he accidentally touched his daughter and turned her into a gold statue, and was unable to eat because all his food turned to gold when he tried to eat it.

Now I read your account of how this LRL user was also turned to gold simply because he was too close to a gold treasure that was long-time buried. At first I could see no connection to the Midas story.... until I remembered Dr. hung's teachings about gold DNA. Things are becoming clearer now. It is easy to deduce that Dionysus made alterations to the DNA of King Midas so the capacitive nature of his cells were resonating at the gold frequency. But there also must have been some kind of biological implant that shot signal lines to buried gold, and induced it to ionize and cause the ions to rapidly rise above the surface where they became airborne to seek whatever object he touched. (This mechanism suggests a biological device to "shoot signal lines" was implanted in his hands). And it can be further inferred that perhaps Dionysus was not a simple mythological god, but an extra-terrestrial traveler who had the skills to make surgical bionic implants in ordinary people. Apparently Dionysus is not around today where we could consult with him to learn the details of what he did exactly.

But what concerns me is we may have stumbled upon some advanced technology that is very dangerous in the hands of people who do not understand the hazards of what they are dealing with. I hesitate to build the Dr. Best pyramidal logarithmic quadro spiral antenna for fear that unpredictable results may be catastrophic. And the flexible nonconductive wave guide may be the most dangerous of all. In fact, I am becoming scared of visiting the locations of long time buried gold. I do not want to turn into a gold statue! I think I will find less danger if I shift my career to bank robbery, where there is no long-time buried gold or flexible nonconductive wave guides to contend with.

ps. You may be right about the statue shrinking -- another reason to avoid the fate of the LRL user.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Max]

Hmm, a simple, very high gain bridge circuit, with no provisions to balance it to achieve best sensitivity on the meter. I presume the meter is zero center type?

It's an homemade, low voltage, ionic chamber schematic.

The meter can be of various kinds... google : "homemade ionic chamber" there are others...

Kind regards,
Max

[Esteban]

Esteban only demonstrate how Mineoro marketing works.

But dr. Best do not need marketing, because his Ultimate Single Chip Two Spiral Antennas LRLs are not expensive cheapy-crapy waste like Mineoros but is totally free.

????? :nono:

[Max]

????? :nono:

Maybe he meant ...Esteban demonstrated only how PaloAlto works! :lol:

[Esteban]

Maybe he meant ...Esteban demonstrated only how PaloAlto works! :lol:

Yes, people works in Palo Alto, CA. Spanish name, maybe was part of Mexico in the past. Google offices... an expensive site for to live...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palo_Alto,_California

Here downton of Palo Alto.

[Max]

Yes, people works in Palo Alto, CA. Spanish name, maybe was part of Mexico in the past. Google offices... an expensive site for to live...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palo_Alto,_California

Here downton of Palo Alto.

You don't live in PaloAlto... you live of PaloAlto... that's different! :lol:

Kind regards,
Max

[WM6]

Yes, people works in Palo Alto, CA. Spanish name, maybe was part of Mexico in the past. Google offices... an expensive site for to live...



Working at Long Rang Locations?

[Esteban]

You don't live in PaloAlto... you live of PaloAlto... that's different! :lol:

Kind regards,
Max

Do you're Palo Alto lover? :razz:

[Max]

Do you're Palo Alto lover? :razz:

I meant you can't stay without PaloAlto! :lol:

[Fred]

Jeee
You two look like an old couple :lol:

[Max]

Jeee
You two look like an old couple :lol:

No! I like Dr. Hung... she has red hairs... :rolleyes:

[Esteban]

Jeee
You two look like an old couple :lol:


I, as an educated husband, I am going to allow now that the woman should complain. :razz:

[Max]

I, as an educated husband, I am going to allow now that the woman should complain. :razz:

???

Have you married PaloAlto ??? And also hear complains from it ??? :lol:

Also I don't understand the fact you're the "husband"... maybe your too new age... :D

Kind regards,
Max

[Esteban]

???

Have you married PaloAlto ??? And also hear complains from it ??? :lol:

Also I don't understand the fact you're the "husband"... maybe your too new age... :D

Kind regards,
Max

Ahhh! You are palo alto adorator, such forms disturb you! :rolleyes:

[Max]

Ahhh! You are palo alto adorator, such forms disturb you! :rolleyes:

No I'm not. :lol:

It's not me that play with PaloAlto just to prove it works as an alternative dowsing rod.... :rolleyes:

BTW... tell the truth... you found an easy and cheap way to solve your hemorrhoids troubles... :lol:

The question is... how the heck you climb the PaloAlto... before each "session" of therapy??? :rolleyes:

Kind regards,
Max

[WM6]

Again it appeared that the only workable LRL device in the world, only dr. Best Ultimate Single Chip Two Spiral Antennas LRL is. No others like mineoro expensive waste-made cheapy-crapy things. And this is not all, dr. Best Ultimate Single Chip Two Spiral Antennas LRL is here for free to all LRL hunters. What opportunity? Never seen on TV until now.

[Max]

No.... dr Best.... can't beat this one... this can locate a notebook at 200meters no problem... :D

This is a real LRL antenna... like a small cannon...

How the dr. Best spiral can compete with that ?

Kind regards,
Max

[WM6]

How the dr. Best spiral can compete with that ?

Max

Very easy, dr Best Ultimate Spiral Antenna LRL do not need BNC or NC connector which cause a huge lost of signal and generate noise. Dr Best Ultimate Spiral Antennas LRL are direct coupled, no lost, no noise, just go and dig your gold kilometers away.

A least, canon on picture is spiral antenna too, but is not Ultimate.

[J_Player]

Very easy, dr Best Ultimate Spiral Antenna LRL do not need BNC or NC connector which cause a huge lost of signal and generate noise. Dr Best Ultimate Spiral Antennas LRL are direct coupled, no lost, no noise, just go and dig your gold kilometers away.

A least, canon on picture is spiral antenna too, but is not Ultimate.Yes, The Dr. Best is the ultimate for LRL detection, because no BNC or NC connectors to cause a loss of signal and generate noise. But be very careful. All Dr. Best equipment works too efficiently, and has been shown to cause spontaneous gold ion migration direct from treasures in the ground and throgh the air. Yes, it is true.. gold ions were observed migrating near the speed of light, traveling along shot signal lines and traversing through the flexible non-conductive wave guides direct to the treasure hunter. The pyramidal logarithmic quadro spiral antenna is the final stage of these developments, which pose an extreme danger to any treasure hunter who uses it.

My opinion is I would prefer to use a random dowsing rod to find treasure after many years of digging random holes. Then I will have no danger of massive gold ion migration in my face. :nono:

[Esteban]

No I'm not. :lol:

It's not me that play with PaloAlto just to prove it works as an alternative dowsing rod.... :rolleyes:

BTW... tell the truth... you found an easy and cheap way to solve your hemorrhoids troubles... :lol:

The question is... how the heck you climb the PaloAlto... before each "session" of therapy??? :rolleyes:

Kind regards,
Max

Palo Alto is your creation, not mine, rememer? Or you forgett your "high-tech" creations? Maybe I'll repost your "high-tech" creations for to refresh you and the memory of others. :razz: :lol:

[Max]

Palo Alto is your creation, not mine, rememer? Or you forgett your "high-tech" creations? Maybe I'll repost your "high-tech" creations for to refresh you and the memory of others. :razz: :lol:

Hmmm.... no....

just told you that long time ago... the Wizard of Woz said something in PaloAlto...

but you'd mistaken and used PaloAlto for healing your haemorrhoids adding vaseline and napalm to the stuff... before apply...

But then... how the heck you climb it ? I still don't understand... :lol:

Maybe you're brave enough to climb the PaloAlto with that silly red pistol on hand... and besotted expression... like in the avatar! :razz:

Kind regards,
Max

[WM6]

Then I will have no danger of massive gold ion migration in my face. :nono:

This is only possible with mineoro stuff, dr Best give you lifetime guarantee and all this for free!

[Nihil Roma Maius]

Hmmm.... no....

just told you that long time ago... the Wizard of Woz said something in PaloAlto...

but you'd mistaken and used PaloAlto for healing your haemorrhoids adding vaseline and napalm to the stuff... before apply...

But then... how the heck you climb it ? I still don't understand... :lol:

Maybe you're brave enough to climb the PaloAlto with that silly red pistol on hand... and besotted expression... like in the avatar! :razz:

Kind regards,
Max

Also I'm brave and can fly and visit you and "meet" front to front. I wish to see what you can do. I wish to comprobe how "brave" you can be...

[Max]

Also I'm brave and can fly and visit you and "meet" front to front. I wish to see what you can do. I wish to comprobe how "brave" you can be...

:lol:

I think is not a good idea , dear Nihil...

It's better don't know me... who I am really... :cool:

Not to scary you... if you want can do... but you've been warned!:shocked:

Kind regards,
Max

[WM6]

Also I'm brave and can fly and visit you ...

You constantly fly and never land, so how you can visit someone?

http://www.operationlettertosanta.com/Christmas%20images/Wallpapers/witch_broom.jpg

[Max]

You constantly fly and never land, so how you can visit someone?

Maybe he must land... to make some pop :rolleyes:

Or he will do flying ??? :lol:

Like a pest! ;)

[Esteban]

Also I'm brave and can fly and visit you and "meet" front to front. I wish to see what you can do. I wish to comprobe how "brave" you can be...

If he provide an address, I can "visit" him instead you!

[Esteban]

You constantly fly and never land, so how you can visit someone?

http://www.operationlettertosanta.com/Christmas%20images/Wallpapers/witch_broom.jpg

Is very beautiful your firm, mister. You're doing a great job!

[WM6]

If he provide an address, I can "visit" him instead you!


Better you visit mineoro:

Look what they selling:

We are regularly Selling: long range gold detectors (http://br.tradeholding.com/default.cgi/action/viewcompanies/sellers-exporters-manufacturers/long+range+gold+detectors/), ionic detectors (http://br.tradeholding.com/default.cgi/action/viewcompanies/sellers-exporters-manufacturers/ionic+detectors/), two'boxes metal detectors (http://br.tradeholding.com/default.cgi/action/viewcompanies/sellers-exporters-manufacturers/twoboxes+metal+detectors/), security doors (http://br.tradeholding.com/default.cgi/action/viewcompanies/sellers-exporters-manufacturers/security+doors/).

OK LRL, but why security doors? It is likely therefore that fury buyers of mineoro crap can not get to visit.

[WM6]

Is very beautiful your firm, mister. You're doing a great job!


Remember it is copyright (dowsing broom inclusive).

[Nihil Roma Maius]

:lol:

I think is not a good idea , dear Nihil...

It's better don't know me... who I am really... :cool:

Not to scary you... if you want can do... but you've been warned!:shocked:

Kind regards,
Max

Not difficult to know. Fear is not in my dictionary.

[Max]

If he provide an address, I can "visit" him instead you!

Hmmmmm....

use your custom made teleport... and send me some ninjas (but trained!) to kill me overnight... :rolleyes:

I like these kind of alternatives to watching boring TV shows and MTVs ***-s (I like only when MTV shows that no-brain chicks as explained before) !:D

But if you're that magician of Internet as you're of LRLs you'll sure locate me without I have to provide anything !:rolleyes:

Don't you ?

Kind regards,
Max

[Max]

Not difficult to know. Fear is not in my dictionary.

:lol:

are you sure ?

Big words... I heard many times... but people often lack at... facts :rolleyes:

I know by experience...

Then who am I... ? :lol:

Are you also an Internet magician ??? :rolleyes:

Kind regards,
Max

[J_Player]

Big words... I heard many times... but people often lack at... facts :rolleyes:

I know by experience...

Then who am I... ? :lol:Hi Max,
I got no facts, but I can try a guess...
Are you President Obama using the name of Max to post on the Geotech forums? :???:

Best wishes,
J_P

[Fred]

Hi Max,
I got no facts, but I can try a guess...
Are you President Obama using the name of Max to post on the Geotech forums? :???:

Best wishes,
J_P

I don´t think so.
Obama says "yes we can" , but not Max :lol:

[J_Player]

I don´t think so.
Obama says "yes we can" , but not Max :lol:No? Hmmmmm.....
Then maybe he is Osama bin Laden posting as Max in Geotech? :shrug:

Best wishes,
J_P

[Max]

Hi Max,
I got no facts, but I can try a guess...
Are you President Obama using the name of Max to post on the Geotech forums? :???:

Best wishes,
J_P

No , try another....

Little help...I'm not black anyway... not that pres. Obama is... :lol:

Kind regards,
Max

[Max]

I don´t think so.
Obama says "yes we can" , but not Max :lol:

Hmmmm...

I'll rather say... "No, they can't" ...apply perfectly to LRLs and belivers... :rolleyes:

[Max]

No? Hmmmmm.....
Then maybe he is Osama bin Laden posting as Max in Geotech? :shrug:

Best wishes,
J_P

Hmmmmm...

Don't tell me... you read somewhere that there's a reward of $50,000,000 for anyone will provide informations about and need some extra cash for parties and to collect some more... ops... brainless chicks from MTV ??? :lol:

I never understand why just $50,000,000 for him... someone at CIA or NSA must explain me why so few for him!

I think it's just political move... cause goverment don't wanna make him a legend or something like Guevara... (btw he already is for many muslims, no matter what US put as reward)

If you think that a single e.g. strategic bomber B-2 costs around $450,000,000 and many tens of maintenance each year I simply don't understand, if not political stuff like above, why just $50,000,000 for him! :???:

Everyday US soldiers are killed in Iraq... everyday the Iraq "mission" costs to US some millions dollars and you guys offer just $50,000,000 ???

Ridiculous.:D

Kind regards,
Max

[J_Player]

No , try another....

Little help...I'm not black anyway... not that pres. Obama is... :lol:
Ok, so you're not Obama, and not Osama.
Are you Elvis Prestley, who faked his death so he could post on Geotech forums as Max?

If so, please record a song live at home and send me an MP3 of it.
I promise I will not sell it to collectors for the highest bid I can get on eBay.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Max]

Ok, so you're not Obama, and not Osama.
Are you Elvis Prestley, who faked his death so he could post on Geotech forums as Max?

Best wishes,
J_P

If I would be Elvis... how the heck I would need his sideburns ??? :lol:

[J_Player]

Then I will have no danger of massive gold ion migration in my face. :nono:

Originally Posted by WM6
This is only possible with mineoro stuff, dr Best give you lifetime guarantee and all this for free! __________________Hi WM6,
It is reassuring to know that Dr. Best gives a lifetime guarantee for free to guard against the horrors of massive gold ion migration that can turn a treasure hunter into a statue.
But there is a problem...
At the first occasion of a massive gold ion migration, the treasure hunter will be instantly changed into a gold statue, and his life will end, thus causing the Dr. Best lifetime guarantee to expire.

The lifetime guarantee solution seems to be faulty in that respect, so I have assembled a team of engineers to begin research in a secret bunker where we will search for a suitable solution to the massive gold migration danger. The lead engineer and resident physicist are both confident they will have a workable solution forthcoming. But until this massive gold migration hazard is fully understood and measures are taken to prevent irreversible damage to treasure hunters, I must caution against the use of your experimental flexible non-conductive wave guide and advanced spiral antennas, as well as the ultimate pyramidal logarithmic quadro spiral antenna.

Don't let this happen to you !

[WM6]

Hi WM6,
But until this massive gold migration hazard is fully understood and measures are taken to prevent irreversible damage to treasure hunters, I must caution against the use of your experimental flexible non-conductive wave guide and advanced spiral antennas, as well as the ultimate pyramidal logarithmic quadro spiral antenna.

Don't let this happen to you !

This happens only to those which do not read instruction manuals. Regarding user manual: "Never use the Ultimate LRL, if you have gold teeth or gold vein."

[J_Player]

This happens only to those which do not read instruction manuals. Regarding user manual: "Never use the Ultimate LRL, if you have gold teeth or gold vein."Hi WM6,
You are correct, if a person has no gold in their teeth, and is wearing no gold rings or other gold jewelry, then he is safe from the horrors of massive gold ion migration. But many treasure hunters have gold fillings in their teeth, and they may forget to remove their wedding ring before going on a treasure hunt. This is unfortunate, because it presents a life-threatening hazard to the treasure hunters which is made much worse when using your advanced nonconductive flexible wave guide technology, and spiral antennas or the ultimate pyramidal logarithmic quadro spiral antenna.

Reading instructions will not prevent an accident that causes the treasure hunter to turn into a statue. Suppose the treasure hunter forgets to remove his gold jewelry. And what if some treasure hunters cannot afford the cost of having their gold tooth fillings removed and replaced with non-gold fillings? This would eliminate a large number of treasure hunters from using the Dr. Best spiral antennas and pyramidal logarithmic quadro spiral antenna for advanced treasure hunting.

But alas, all is not lost. The engineers on our team at the secret research center in the hidden bunker have already devised a workable solution that will protect all treasure hunters from the horrors of turning into a statue. Here is a first hand report from the chief engineer on our secret team who has just debunkered from below to make his announcement:

"We have discovered that the Dr. Best technology is the best in the world. His advanced antennas will not only draw spontaneous gold migration from the ground, it will also collect gold ion clouds that are floating in the air nearby. This makes his antennas far too dangerous to place in the hands of a treasure hunter with gold tooth fillings or not. So we devised a clever method to safely recover the treasure, even when using the most advanced pyramidal logarithmic quadro spiral antenna. Our newly devised method will also work with the dual or single spiral antennas, and nonconductive flexible wave guides. You will find no danger of becoming a gold statue when using our method. As you will see below, there are some very beneficial side effects to using the solution we devised from the depths of our secret bunker. As a bonus, you will find there can be a substantial conversion of aluminum, steel and other materials to gold during the massive gold ion migration process, which can be sold for enormous profits to precious metal refineries":

[WM6]

This is called Good Year.

[J_Player]

This is called Good Year.Hi WM6,
Yes, for you it is a good year. Dr. Best will sell thousands of his advanced spiral antenna single chip LRLs and accessories with a lifetime guarantee.
But for me, I have a problem...

I don't know where to start to explain my problem. So let me ask you: Did you receive any word from my chief engineer about commercial ventures? I have not been able to find him. He was here in the bunker yesterday, but today he is gone... disappeared.

I also cannot find my classic Cobra car that was used for a test vehicle in our experiments for remote controlled vehicle treasure hunting. It is gone too. If you hear any word from my chief engineer, or see any sign of a shiny yellow car with a pyramidal logarithmic quadro spiral antenna attached at the front, can you please send me a PM?

Thanks in advance,
J_P

[WM6]

If you hear any word from my chief engineer, or see any sign of a shiny yellow car with a pyramidal logarithmic quadro spiral antenna attached at the front, can you please send me a PM?
J_P

You do not need chief engineer anymore. Grab for dr. Best ultimate single chip spiral antenna LRL and all worlds gold is yours. You can then remove to Brazil and play every day with mineoro toys in Alonso kindergarten (chief engineer will be there too). Do it your way, why waiting on pyramidal logarithmic quadro spiral antenna? Gold will not be waiting I am going tunning my spiral Ultimate.

[Esteban]

You do not need chief engineer anymore. Grab for dr. Best ultimate single chip spiral antenna LRL and all worlds gold is yours. You can then remove to Brazil and play every day with mineoro toys in Alonso kindergarten (chief engineer will be there too). Do it your way, why waiting on pyramidal logarithmic quadro spiral antenna? Gold will not be waiting I am going tunning my spiral Ultimate.

Please, no name more him in these terms.

Regards

Esteban

[Nihil Roma Maius]

You do not need chief engineer anymore. Grab for dr. Best ultimate single chip spiral antenna LRL and all worlds gold is yours. You can then remove to Brazil and play every day with mineoro toys in Alonso kindergarten (chief engineer will be there too). Do it your way, why waiting on pyramidal logarithmic quadro spiral antenna? Gold will not be waiting I am going tunning my spiral Ultimate.

Why you name this person here in your nonsense post? He nothing to see with this thread. What you're looking? With what wants to clash?

Regards

[Max]

victimism... just victimism...

when something useful from you guys ?

[J_Player]

victimism... just victimism...

when something useful from you guys ?Hi Max,
I think The WM6 posts are useful... for Hollywood movie scripts.

Spielberg could read this forum thread and have a good base for making a new adventure movie similar to the Indiana Jones movies. Lots of good material here. :rolleyes:

Best wishes,
J_P

[WM6]

Why you name this person here in your nonsense post? He nothing to see with this thread. What you're looking? With what wants to clash?

Regards

I only repeat this name to his believers, but I forgot that the name of the deity of LRL religion can not be spoken. Sorry, this will not happen again.

[Esteban]

I only repeat this name to his believers, but I forgot that the name of the deity of LRL religion can not be spoken. Sorry, this will not happen again.

This is not a religion, is a reality since 1959. In other words, you don't know nothing.

[WM6]

This is not a religion, is a reality since 1959. In other words, you don't know nothing.

If you speaking about dowsing this is not since 1959, better 59 before Christi and earlier, but if you speaking about nonexistent phenomena: for all believers their religion is reality (this is out of discussion).

[Esteban]

If you speaking about dowsing this is not since 1959, better 59 before Christi and earlier, but if you speaking about nonexistent phenomena: for all believers their religion is reality (this is out of discussion).

I know this, I'm talking about electronic LRL... Not all the people are stupid... or maybe you're the only intelligent. :nono:

[Theseus]

I know this, I'm talking about electronic LRL... Not all the people are stupid... or maybe you're the only intelligent. :nono:

Have you ever, or are you currently using an LRL such as is described in your attachment?

I don't mean similar, I mean exactly those circuits?

[Fred]

ALERT !

Stamp sized schematic diagram in view ! :ninja:

[J_Player]

ALERT !

Stamp sized schematic diagram in view ! :ninja:

Is too big to fit on envelope for mailing. Can someone reduce it to half size?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Esteban]

Have you ever, or are you currently using an LRL such as is described in your attachment?

I don't mean similar, I mean exactly those circuits?

No, I don't use this, but similar was used first time in 1959 (the year I born!) with 6L6 tube in transmitter. This is of 1926 magazine Science & Invention. But this was the base. The actual size of pic I have is this. But in the book of Santschi (maybe the first book about MD) maybe is better resolution. Need time for to find in wich CD (pdf) I have it...

[Esteban]

This issue.

[Fred]

I remember the picture Esteban.

Does this mean the PD relies on external transmissions on the 60khz range to work?

Regards,
Fred.

[Esteban]

Radio prosecting, for metals?... maybe

[Esteban]

I remember the picture Esteban.

Does this mean the PD relies on external transmissions on the 60khz range to work?

Regards,
Fred.

Don't know in wich frequency works the electronic LRL made here in 1959. I remember that I post original hand-drawing of elements in wood base... forgotten?

[Esteban]

First detector before Dr. Fischer. Pulse induction? With 2 coils (2 detectors in one!), made by afficionated. Pure electric MD. 1921. Many forgotten infos! Reinventing the wheel...

[Fred]

Don't know in wich frequency works the electronic LRL made here in 1959. I remember that I post original hand-drawing of elements in wood base... forgotten?
No, i mean the actual PD,
If you show an early two-box working with a transmitter and receiver, maybe your PD if working on the same principle , with the help of an external transmitter?

[Esteban]

No, i mean the actual PD,
If you show an early two-box working with a transmitter and receiver, maybe your PD if working on the same principle , with the help of an external transmitter?

The image I post is not 2 box, is a kind of PI with 2 coils. Is a reference about how many info is sleeping... or fogotten technology. And no, I don't use transmitter, actual magnetic absorptive type I use. But also sometimes I use oscillator (coil, of course, a kind of transmitter), but in mode resonance-off.

[Theseus]

No, I don't use this, but similar was used first time in 1959 (the year I born!) with 6L6 tube in transmitter. This is of 1926 magazine Science & Invention. But this was the base. The actual size of pic I have is this. But in the book of Santschi (maybe the first book about MD) maybe is better resolution. Need time for to find in wich CD (pdf) I have it...

Yes, in my previous research concerning these published circuits, I have come across similar schematics. My experience has been that just because schematics like this were published, does not by default make them a lucrative method to use; especially today.

Common sense tells me that if these circuits were around in 1926, and IF they were actually that useful in doing what is claimed, than certainly the theory of operation along with the technology would not have died, but would have been advanced along with all the other electronic and technical devices that evolved in a similar nature. By that I mean we would see these advanced devices in use today. (Actually, the modern-day MDs evolved, probably from something similar to what you posted.)

For instance, say an article was published in the 1900s showing how to talk over a length of two wires utilizing a carbon microphone and a headset consisting of a magnetic transducer. Further assume this device was called the Electromagnetic Telephone. Now over 100 years later, the device must have had some actual merit, because the world literally revolves around the telephone for instant communication. Plus, technology has advanced so that I can carry a telephone in my shirt pocket.

Now let's say someone else published an article in the 1900s extolling the virtues of exposing the human body to certain frequencies and claiming that each malady of the human body would respond to a particular frequency and would be eradicated by the exposure from his frequency device. Let's call this fellow Dr. Fife. Today, over 100 years later, the idea, the device and indeed all traces of the procedure are gone. The idea was bogus; without merit or provable results. In fact, people attempting to treat other people with such devices have been sued and removed from business.

I hope you can understand the analogy I am trying to convey here... and why I am doing it. :)

[J_Player]

Yes, in my previous research concerning these published circuits, I have come across similar schematics. My experience has been that just because schematics like this were published, does not by default make them a lucrative method to use; especially today.

Common sense tells me that if these circuits were around in 1926, and IF they were actually that useful in doing what is claimed, than certainly the theory of operation along with the technology would not have died, but would have been advanced along with all the other electronic and technical devices that evolved in a similar nature. By that I mean we would see these advanced devices in use today. (Actually, the modern-day MDs evolved, probably from something similar to what you posted.)

For instance, say an article was published in the 1900s showing how to talk over a length of two wires utilizing a carbon microphone and a headset consisting of a magnetic transducer. Further assume this device was called the Electromagnetic Telephone. Now over 100 years later, the device must have had some actual merit, because the world literally revolves around the telephone for instant communication. Plus, technology has advanced so that I can carry a telephone in my shirt pocket.

Now let's say someone else published an article in the 1900s extolling the virtues of exposing the human body to certain frequencies and claiming that each malady of the human body would respond to a particular frequency and would be eradicated by the exposure from his frequency device. Let's call this fellow Dr. Fife. Today, over 100 years later, the idea, the device and indeed all traces of the procedure are gone. The idea was bogus; without merit or provable results. In fact, people attempting to treat other people with such devices have been sued and removed from business.

I hope you can understand the analogy I am trying to convey here... and why I am doing it. :)Dell Omnitron is still in business judging from their web page and Dell's claim of a 3-month backlog. Does this mean Omnitron porducts work?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Max]

ALERT !

Stamp sized schematic diagram in view ! :ninja:



what a big news from him! :lol:

[Max]

Is too big to fit on envelope for mailing. Can someone reduce it to half size?

Best wishes,
J_P

sure... all he got are stamp sized! Maybe it's cause of that we never see anything useful... apart jokes about them. :rolleyes:

I'm reconsidering Dr. Best ultimate single chip two antennas... as more realistic LRL! :lol:

Kind regards,
Max

[Max]

The image I post is not 2 box, is a kind of PI with 2 coils. Is a reference about how many info is sleeping... or fogotten technology. And no, I don't use transmitter, actual magnetic absorptive type I use. But also sometimes I use oscillator (coil, of course, a kind of transmitter), but in mode resonance-off.

And he don't understand the difference between a two-box and an ib detector... good.

What else ?

My wc siphon is a suitable antenna for LRLs ??? :lol:

Am I making jokes again ? Or am I serious ??? :eek:

Kind regards,
Max

[J_Player]

sure... all he got are stamp sized! Maybe it's cause of that we never see anything useful... apart jokes about them. :rolleyes:

I'm reconsidering Dr. Best ultimate single chip two antennas... as more realistic LRL! :lol:

Kind regards,
MaxHi Max,
Be careful when using the Dr. Best single chip two antenna LRL. It is very powerful.
Be sure to take precautions shown above from our team's secret bunker experiments so you don't turn into a gold statue.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Max]

Hi Max,
Be careful when using the Dr. Best single chip two antenna LRL. It is very powerful.
Be sure to take precautions shown above from our team's secret bunker experiments so you don't turn into a gold statue.

Best wishes,
J_P

I just hope if I'll turn into a gold statue don't be so ugly and disturbing like it...:lol:

Kind regards,
Max

[Theseus]

Dell Omnitron is still in business judging from their web page and Dell's claim of a 3-month backlog. Does this mean Omnitron porducts work?

Best wishes,
J_P

I like your humor. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Being in business(?) for years and able to hawk something is probably not the only defining criteria of a "viable technology". Further, I also feel it is an insult to real technology to hint that perhaps what Dell is selling is even related to "a technology".

But I'm glad you mentioned his products, because they (or something similar) have been around since about the late 60s or early 70s. They were a scam then and today they are still a scam. (BTW, Dell is not the only purveyor of such items dating back that far. I could list them all but it's pointless...)

Basically, when pure snake oil can be marketed, and sold to a select number of technically-challenged individuals, it is really not a measure of the merits (or lack of merits) of the product itself; rather it is a clear indication that our US Justice system contains "holes" and is not a perfect system. :( (....unfortunately)

Perhaps in the future, the State AGs (or FTC) will have enough time to investigate such items; but for now they have bigger fish to fry.

Look at the bright side... Quadro Tracker is no longer in business and I believe Sniffex is down for the count. :)

(Incidentally, if Dell makes a response here he is going to want to tell everyone that he has a clean bill of health with the BBB of Florida and zero customer complaints. When judging his retort, one should also remember that he claims his contraptions were utilized in the location of Noah's Ark. You are free to make your own decisions regarding his claims...)

[Esteban]

Yes, in my previous research concerning these published circuits, I have come across similar schematics. My experience has been that just because schematics like this were published, does not by default make them a lucrative method to use; especially today.

Common sense tells me that if these circuits were around in 1926, and IF they were actually that useful in doing what is claimed, than certainly the theory of operation along with the technology would not have died, but would have been advanced along with all the other electronic and technical devices that evolved in a similar nature. By that I mean we would see these advanced devices in use today. (Actually, the modern-day MDs evolved, probably from something similar to what you posted.)

For instance, say an article was published in the 1900s showing how to talk over a length of two wires utilizing a carbon microphone and a headset consisting of a magnetic transducer. Further assume this device was called the Electromagnetic Telephone. Now over 100 years later, the device must have had some actual merit, because the world literally revolves around the telephone for instant communication. Plus, technology has advanced so that I can carry a telephone in my shirt pocket.

Now let's say someone else published an article in the 1900s extolling the virtues of exposing the human body to certain frequencies and claiming that each malady of the human body would respond to a particular frequency and would be eradicated by the exposure from his frequency device. Let's call this fellow Dr. Fife. Today, over 100 years later, the idea, the device and indeed all traces of the procedure are gone. The idea was bogus; without merit or provable results. In fact, people attempting to treat other people with such devices have been sued and removed from business.

I hope you can understand the analogy I am trying to convey here... and why I am doing it. :)

The same circuit with tubes doesn't was used, only the principle. If you see the MD of 1921, seems a pulse induction via electromechanical vibrator, pulse induction born many years later, but seems ideas was "rediscovered" used modern words, more "bombastic", according to "science" words, for to give credibility... Seems that toward this work of the afficionated (like the MD of 1921) attention don't be payed for the "scientific cimmunity", but the principle is similar to PI.

Hope you can understand what I trying to said... maybe my English doesn't help me...

[Theseus]

The same circuit with tubes doesn't was used, only the principle. If you see the MD of 1921, seems a pulse induction via electromechanical vibrator, pulse induction born many years later, but seems ideas was "rediscovered" used modern words, more "bombastic", according to "science" words, for to give credibility... Seems that toward this work of the afficionated (like the MD of 1921) attention don't be payed for the "scientific cimmunity", but the principle is similar to PI.

Hope you can understand what I trying to said... maybe my English doesn't help me...

Perhaps in some "fringe" areas the scientific community tends to shy away from or ignore certain early discoveries and concepts. However, I believe that is simply a natural process of elimination that takes place as one concept (or theory) is replaced by a better or more efficient one.

One thing I think we can be very certain of, and is a testament to the technology we have in this world today.... That is, if a theory or scientific discovery has real merit; it will not be ignored, rather it will be recognized, developed and utilized to the fullest. We aren't where we are today, by ignoring viable concepts and real technology.

Those concepts and theories which die out and are not heard about again, do so for good reason; generally because they were based on faulty reasoning and wrong assumptions. Others were just plain "pie in the sky" in the first place, and had no chance of being accepted.

[Max]

Perhaps in some "fringe" areas the scientific community tends to shy away from or ignore certain early discoveries and concepts. However, I believe that is simply a natural process of elimination that takes place as one concept (or theory) is replaced by a better or more efficient one.

One thing I think we can be very certain of, and is a testament to the technology we have in this world today.... That is, if a theory or scientific discovery has real merit; it will not be ignored, rather it will be recognized, developed and utilized to the fullest. We aren't where we are today, by ignoring viable concepts and real technology.

Those concepts and theories which die out and are not heard about again, do so for good reason; generally because they were based on faulty reasoning and wrong assumptions. Others were just plain "pie in the sky" in the first place, and had no chance of being accepted.

Don't be fooled by that old magazine cover...

I know what's inside the famous double coil MD... and it's not PI as he claims.

But he probably is just making a mistake... he think it's related to PI and it isn't... I told him already... now I'm on his ignore list and so he can't see my posts... god for me , god for him...

It's an IB electric metal detector: no electronics inside it , just electric stuff... and electromechanical... the vibrator he wrote is not some oscillating Palo Alto, but an electromechanical device easy to find in 20's cause used in early cars... and similar things.

Kind regards,
Max

[J_Player]

The same circuit with tubes doesn't was used, only the principle. If you see the MD of 1921, seems a pulse induction via electromechanical vibrator, pulse induction born many years later, but seems ideas was "rediscovered" used modern words, more "bombastic", according to "science" words, for to give credibility... Seems that toward this work of the afficionated (like the MD of 1921) attention don't be payed for the "scientific cimmunity", but the principle is similar to PI.

Hope you can understand what I trying to said... maybe my English doesn't help me...Hi Esteban,
The articles you read from old magazines were written to describe projects built by experimenters. These projects were not standard technology at the time, only some experiments that a few people made. This is the same as the kind of experiments that Alonso and you made. Not standard technology... only experimental stuff. The difference is you do not show your experiments and schematics in magazines like other experimenters did. Maybe this is the reason many readers don.t believe.

It always helps when writing in your native language, but you seem to be less handicapped than others whose multi-language skills are not as well developed. We see the modern words you posted like "according to science" or "backed up by science" posted in this forum by the esteemed Dr. hung in many of his posts. And you are also correct when using the modern word "bombastic". This word often comes to mind while reading Dr. hung's posts that are not factual, and contain extraordinary claims that he is not prepared to answer challenges to.

I suppose if extraordinary claims that are said to be "backed up by science" could be actually shown to be factual, {such as showing the reference to the science proof and scientists that are backing it up), then extraordinary claims would not seem so much like bombastic BS.

best wishes,
J_P

[Max]

Hi Esteban,
The articles you read from old magazines were written to describe projects built by experimenters. These projects were not standard technology at the time, only some experiments that a few people made. This is the same as the kind of experiments that Alonso and you made. Not standard technology... only experimental stuff. The difference is you do not show your experiments and schematics in magazines like other experimenters did. Maybe this is the reason many readers don.t believe.

It always helps when writing in your native language, but you seem to be less handicapped than others whose multi-language skills are not as well developed. We see the modern words you posted like "according to science" or "backed up by science" posted in this forum by the esteemed Dr. hung in many of his posts. And you are also correct when using the modern word "bombastic". This word often comes to mind while reading Dr. hung's posts that are not factual, and contain extraordinary claims that he is not prepared to answer challenges to.

I suppose if extraordinary claims that are said to be "backed up by science" could be actually shown to be factual, {such as showing the reference to the science proof and scientists that are backing it up), then extraordinary claims would not seem so much like bombastic BS.

best wishes,
J_P

The silly stuff is that's not PI !

But he still think so...

what to say... let him think what he want...

Kind regards,
Max

[Esteban]

Perhaps in some "fringe" areas the scientific community tends to shy away from or ignore certain early discoveries and concepts. However, I believe that is simply a natural process of elimination that takes place as one concept (or theory) is replaced by a better or more efficient one.

One thing I think we can be very certain of, and is a testament to the technology we have in this world today.... That is, if a theory or scientific discovery has real merit; it will not be ignored, rather it will be recognized, developed and utilized to the fullest. We aren't where we are today, by ignoring viable concepts and real technology.

Those concepts and theories which die out and are not heard about again, do so for good reason; generally because they were based on faulty reasoning and wrong assumptions. Others were just plain "pie in the sky" in the first place, and had no chance of being accepted.

Most of the time because most of these persons aren't doctors or recognized autorithies in the matter...

[Esteban]

Hi Esteban,
The articles you read from old magazines were written to describe projects built by experimenters. These projects were not standard technology at the time, only some experiments that a few people made. This is the same as the kind of experiments that Alonso and you made. Not standard technology... only experimental stuff. The difference is you do not show your experiments and schematics in magazines like other experimenters did. Maybe this is the reason many readers don.t believe.

It always helps when writing in your native language, but you seem to be less handicapped than others whose multi-language skills are not as well developed. We see the modern words you posted like "according to science" or "backed up by science" posted in this forum by the esteemed Dr. hung in many of his posts. And you are also correct when using the modern word "bombastic". This word often comes to mind while reading Dr. hung's posts that are not factual, and contain extraordinary claims that he is not prepared to answer challenges to.

I suppose if extraordinary claims that are said to be "backed up by science" could be actually shown to be factual, {such as showing the reference to the science proof and scientists that are backing it up), then extraordinary claims would not seem so much like bombastic BS.

best wishes,
J_P

Of course, I think that to experiment is the first step. And, of course, the experimenters just can describes that what happens since his "poor perspective", no relevant for the "scientific community". From the first moment they are condemned by the "wise"...

Regards

[J_Player]

Of course, I think that to experiment is the first step. And, of course, the experimenters just can describes that what happens since his "poor perspective", no relevant for the "scientific community". From the first moment they are condemned by the "wise"...

RegardsHi Esteban,
The early experimenters were not condemned. They did not hide their experiments in secret bunkers, they published them in hobby magazines. Other experimenters continued to modify these designs, and eventually they were improved to the point of being used as a standard technology. This happened to the experiments that you posted from old magazines. We can see this because of modern metal detectors were first experimented with before 1900, and went through many design changes before reaching the sophistication we see today. Not even Alonso could make improvements if he did not see these published articles for his beginning point.

But what would have happened if those same experimenters never published their work? Suppose they hid their secrets so nobody would steal their idea? Then their idea would die when they died. There would be no improvements from others with diverse ideas and new methods to add to the original experiments and make the evolutionary improvements.

I see the "secret technology" "free energy" websites insisting energy from a vacuum is there for free, This is all very secret, and no usable demonstrations are available. Also no free energy is available for use to power cities as a standard technology. I see posts in Geotech about a secret anti-corrosion substance produced by gold DNA, but the person who posted refuses to say where this technology was discovered, or what science supports it. We can see none of this secret gold DNA produced substance is available to protect other metals as a standard technology either. It seems to me that most secret technology which is never explained or demonstrated to be factual or put into practical use is doomed to oblivion.

But maybe I'm wrong about that. You think so? Ok, then show me some examples. I would like to see.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Theseus]

Hi Esteban,
The early experimenters were not condemned. They did not hide their experiments in secret bunkers, they published them in hobby magazines. Other experimenters continued to modify these designs, and eventually they were improved to the point of being used as a standard technology. This happened to the experiments that you posted from old magazines. We can see this because of modern metal detectors were first experimented with before 1900, and went through many design changes before reaching the sophistication we see today. Not even Alonso could make improvements if he did not see these published articles for his beginning point.

But what would have happened if those same experimenters never published their work? Suppose they hid their secrets so nobody would steal their idea? Then their idea would die when they died. There would be no improvements from others with diverse ideas and new methods to add to the original experiments and make the evolutionary improvements.

I see the "secret technology" "free energy" websites insisting energy from a vacuum is there for free, This is all very secret, and no usable demonstrations are available. Also no free energy is available for use to power cities as a standard technology. I see posts in Geotech about a secret anti-corrosion substance produced by gold DNA, but the person who posted refuses to say where this technology was discovered, or what science supports it. We can see none of this secret gold DNA produced substance is available to protect other metals as a standard technology either. It seems to me that most secret technology which is never explained or demonstrated to be factual or put into practical use is doomed to oblivion.

But maybe I'm wrong about that. You think so? Ok, then show me some examples. I would like to see.

Best wishes,
J_P

Spot on the mark! :cheers:

[Esteban]

Hi Esteban,
The early experimenters were not condemned. They did not hide their experiments in secret bunkers, they published them in hobby magazines. Other experimenters continued to modify these designs, and eventually they were improved to the point of being used as a standard technology. This happened to the experiments that you posted from old magazines. We can see this because of modern metal detectors were first experimented with before 1900, and went through many design changes before reaching the sophistication we see today. Not even Alonso could make improvements if he did not see these published articles for his beginning point.

But what would have happened if those same experimenters never published their work? Suppose they hid their secrets so nobody would steal their idea? Then their idea would die when they died. There would be no improvements from others with diverse ideas and new methods to add to the original experiments and make the evolutionary improvements.

I see the "secret technology" "free energy" websites insisting energy from a vacuum is there for free, This is all very secret, and no usable demonstrations are available. Also no free energy is available for use to power cities as a standard technology. I see posts in Geotech about a secret anti-corrosion substance produced by gold DNA, but the person who posted refuses to say where this technology was discovered, or what science supports it. We can see none of this secret gold DNA produced substance is available to protect other metals as a standard technology either. It seems to me that most secret technology which is never explained or demonstrated to be factual or put into practical use is doomed to oblivion.

But maybe I'm wrong about that. You think so? Ok, then show me some examples. I would like to see.

Best wishes,
J_P

Simple, when such experiments was made by hobbyist, his name and experiments are buried... Only a doctor in Physics emerges! :lol: Alonso told a friend this: "If I ventilate the secret, other will to obtain the merit". And he know this, because you must to be doctor or master, and convert it in formulas (but I think we can't, at first sight, due conditions as mineralization and excess of wet in air, wet in air dispersse much the phenomenon, except when very light rain, because micro-drops acts as a "bridge" –this I have observed!!!–).

[Esteban]

Spot on the mark! :cheers:
I'm not very triumphalist like you!

[Fred]

Simple, when such experiments was made by hobbyist, his name and experiments are buried... Only a doctor in Physics emerges! :lol: Alonso told a friend this: "If I ventilate the secret, other will to obtain the merit". And he know this, because you must to be doctor or master, and convert it in formulas (but I think we can't, at first sight, due conditions as mineralization and excess of wet in air, wet in air dispersse much the phenomenon, except when very light rain, because micro-drops acts as a "bridge" –this I have observed!!!–).

Esteban,
There is plenty of inventors that where made famous by their discoveries-and they were not Doctors...
But yes , you need a scientifical explanation for your discovery.I guess this is why you´re here, but you have dificulties in dosing what you want to give for what you want to know :razz:
Regards,
Fred.

[Esteban]

Esteban,
There is plenty of inventors that where made famous by their discoveries-and they were not Doctors...
But yes , you need a scientifical explanation for your discovery.I guess this is why you´re here, but you have dificulties in dosing what you want to give for what you want to know :razz:
Regards,
Fred.

Of course, also Edison uses original ideas of Tesla and 1,000 other examples.

From the first moment it is "calculated well" in order that the merits take others.

[Max]

the snake oil sell continues here... :rolleyes:

That's your daily dose !

[mosha]

Of course, also Edison uses original ideas of Tesla and 1,000 other examples.

From the first moment it is "calculated well" in order that the merits take others.

On mineoro site they explaine the physic prinsibal that these mineoro devices work by, and Alonso make his devices based on this theory, why he dont patent it with any US patent agency and take the merits?

rgards,

Mosha.

[Max]

On mineoro site they explaine the physic prinsibal that these mineoro devices work by, and Alonso make his devices based on this theory, why he dont patent it with any US patent agency and take the merits?

rgards,

Mosha.

I guess you got your computer infected by some... Mineoro trojans... scan for them! ;)

[Esteban]

On mineoro site they explaine the physic prinsibal that these mineoro devices work by, and Alonso make his devices based on this theory, why he dont patent it with any US patent agency and take the merits?

rgards,

Mosha.

Think is patented in Brazil, but his theory (with Damásio) maybe is not enough for the scientific world... But the columns of ions (also describes 1,000 times by J_P and used by minning company of Australia) is showed in Mineoro pages.

[Max]

He doesn't know... he's not sure.... how come !?:rolleyes:

patented in Brazil... oh yeah... and Obama flyes without the helicoper now... :lol:

Fairy tales... and brazilian-paraguayan snake oil company! :D

Panamerican Palo Alto Corporation... of Pantanal !

[mosha]

I guess you got your computer infected by some... Mineoro trojans... scan for them! ;)
You are wright, some times I get random beebs,:frown:

[Max]

You are wright, some times I get random beebs,:frown:

There are at least three... when you opened the english pages they loaded into your browser stuff... and now you have to play with antivirus software!

What a nice company, uh ? :rolleyes:

[J_Player]

Simple, when such experiments was made by hobbyist, his name and experiments are buried... Only a doctor in Physics emerges! :lol: Alonso told a friend this: "If I ventilate the secret, other will to obtain the merit". And he know this, because you must to be doctor or master, and convert it in formulas (but I think we can't, at first sight, due conditions as mineralization and excess of wet in air, wet in air dispersse much the phenomenon, except when very light rain, because micro-drops acts as a "bridge" –this I have observed!!!–).Hi Esteban,
I think Alonso was wrong.
It was never necessary for an experimenter to convert a discovery to formulas in order to obtain the merit for his work. There are only two things necessary for an experimenter to receive the merit for their work.

First is their experiment must do something useful that other people want done. Second the experimenter must explain what his discovery does. He does not need scientific formulas of a master or doctor. Simply to publish his work in a magazine or trade journal. This immediately establishes him as the experimenter who discovered something new. Same as the experimenters names are shown in the old magazines you post.
I can show you plenty of examples to prove this is true, starting with some early experimenters a century ago who proved it.

For example Thomas Edison became famous for inventing the light bulb after years of experiments with many methods until he settled on the light bulb. He did not hide his secret, and he was not a master or doctor. He simply made it to do something useful for people and published the news. It seems the news spread fast so many people were byying his light bulbs to replace their candles. I don't remember ever reading any converted for formulas for his light bulbs. But because the details of his experiments were published, later experimenters made better light bulbs and many variations he did not think of. They improved lighting technology in ways Edison could never achieve. If he hid his light bulb secrets because he knew he was not a master or doctor to convert some formulas, then he would have died long ago with nobody knowing he was an early experimenter of light bulbs. But he did not hide his light bulb secrets, and we see he is remembered a century later as a famous discoverer of the method for early light bulb... So not true he needs doctor or master!

The same is true for hundreds of others who make experiments that they publish in magazines and trade journals. The only time when I see people are not remembered is when they make secret discoveries. There are two roads to oblivion for secret discoveries. One is the secret discovery is kept by an experimenter, who improves his discovery as much as he can, but keeps it secret. Then he eventually dies and his secret dies with him. After he is dead, somebody cleans out his workshop and throws away all the unknown secret junk hidden in the corner. No merit for the secret experimenter in this case. Result is the secret discoverer does not receive merit, and his work ends in oblivion.

The second road to oblivion for secret experimenter is when he continues working on his secret discovery and someone else makes the same discovery somewhere else, but does not make it secret. Then we see the person who publishes his discovery will receive the merit, not the person who hides his discovery in his secret bunker. After the person who publishes the discovery receives the merit, and is remembered as the discoverer, others who read about his work will make more experiments that can improve it in ways he did not think of, while the person who hides his discovery will see no improvement other than what he could think of. Eventually the secret experimenter will find out that another person also discovered and made great improvements. Then he may try to claim he is the discoverer. But who will care what he claims? His work is antique without more improvements like the person who published his experiments. People will laugh at the secret discoverer and ask why he only shows his discovery after another person makes the discovery. The result again is the secret discoverer does not receive merit, and his work ends in oblivion. But the difference here is someone who publishes the discovery receives the merit, not the first discoverer who hides his discovery.

So I say no...
Alonso is wrong to believe a physics master or doctor is necessary for an experimenter to receive merit for their discovery.
What I see is it is necessary to publish your work to receive merit.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Esteban]

Hi Esteban,
I think Alonso was wrong.
It was never necessary for an experimenter to convert a discovery to formulas in order to obtain the merit for his work. There are only two things necessary for an experimenter to receive the merit for their work.

First is their experiment must do something useful that other people want done. Second the experimenter must explain what his discovery does. He does not need scientific formulas of a master or doctor. Simply to publish his work in a magazine or trade journal. This immediately establishes him as the experimenter who discovered something new. Same as the experimenters names are shown in the old magazines you post.
I can show you plenty of examples to prove this is true, starting with some early experimenters a century ago who proved it.

For example Thomas Edison became famous for inventing the light bulb after years of experiments with many methods until he settled on the light bulb. He did not hide his secret, and he was not a master or doctor. He simply made it to do something useful for people and published the news. It seems the news spread fast so many people were byying his light bulbs to replace their candles. I don't remember ever reading any converted for formulas for his light bulbs. But because the details of his experiments were published, later experimenters made better light bulbs and many variations he did not think of. They improved lighting technology in ways Edison could never achieve. If he hid his light bulb secrets because he knew he was not a master or doctor to convert some formulas, then he would have died long ago with nobody knowing he was an early experimenter of light bulbs. But he did not hide his light bulb secrets, and we see he is remembered a century later as a famous discoverer of the method for early light bulb... So not true he needs doctor or master!

The same is true for hundreds of others who make experiments that they publish in magazines and trade journals. The only time when I see people are not remembered is when they make secret discoveries. There are two roads to oblivion for secret discoveries. One is the secret discovery is kept by an experimenter, who improves his discovery as much as he can, but keeps it secret. Then he eventually dies and his secret dies with him. After he is dead, somebody cleans out his workshop and throws away all the unknown secret junk hidden in the corner. No merit for the secret experimenter in this case. Result is the secret discoverer does not receive merit, and his work ends in oblivion.

The second road to oblivion for secret experimenter is when he continues working on his secret discovery and someone else makes the same discovery somewhere else, but does not make it secret. Then we see the person who publishes his discovery will receive the merit, not the person who hides his discovery in his secret bunker. After the person who publishes the discovery receives the merit, and is remembered as the discoverer, others who read about his work will make more experiments that can improve it in ways he did not think of, while the person who hides his discovery will see no improvement other than what he could think of. Eventually the secret experimenter will find out that another person also discovered and made great improvements. Then he may try to claim he is the discoverer. But who will care what he claims? His work is antique without more improvements like the person who published his experiments. People will laugh at the secret discoverer and ask why he only shows his discovery after another person makes the discovery. The result again is the secret discoverer does not receive merit, and his work ends in oblivion. But the difference here is someone who publishes the discovery receives the merit, not the first discoverer who hides his discovery.

So I say no...
Alonso is wrong to believe a physics master or doctor is necessary for an experimenter to receive merit for their discovery.
What I see is it is necessary to publish your work to receive merit.

Best wishes,
J_P

Nobody remember him... Maybe the industry of "fat" screen no permits flat screen. :lol: I have a collection of these guys who published his inventions...

http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2006/04/09/flat-screen-tv-in-1958/

[Esteban]

"If you produce the pistol, we’re going to have to fight you." :lol:

The interview
http://www.ieeeghn.org/wiki/index.php/Oral-History:William_Ross_Aiken#About_the_Interview

[J_Player]

"If you produce the pistol, we’re going to have to fight you." :lol:

The interview
http://www.ieeeghn.org/wiki/index.php/Oral-History:William_Ross_Aiken#About_the_InterviewHi Esteban,
I think the example you show is not a good example of the hobbyist experimenter you started with.

General Electric was also interested in his flat cathode ray tube, but Aiken declined their offer, telling them he had chosen the Kaiser group to fund his project. While developing his tube at Kaiser group, he found the Naval Research Center was interested in his flat tube for heads-up displays in jet planes. So they demonstrated a prototype and the government was interested. But when they told the government they must pay millions of dollars to develop production models and set up a plant and get into production, the government was not interested. They were only interested if the product could be implemented at a competitive price compared to other available heads-up display methods which came into use at the time. Kaiser then went to RCA and offered their flat tube to be used in the new RCA color technology. This is the story that we see in the article you posted. Their final decision was as you read -- they were too heavily invested in their own tubes to decide to accept his offer. But the story did not end there. Kaiser also went to other TV tube manufacturers who also did not want to sign a license for these flat tubes either. Not after his visit to RCA. When they found that nobody was interested in paying them to produce or license their flat tube design, Kaiser stopped funding the project. Too bad Aiken didn't choose the offer by GE. They weren't heavily invested in new dot matrix tubes like RCA, and they also had the capacity to fund production costs without problems from stockholders. Who knows?

But lets take a look at the patents Aiken filed. He was not the only person who had patents for flat cathode ray tubes. In fact he was not the discoverer of the concept. Many thought of it before, and a few did enough experimenting to make workable methods. Dr. Dennis Gabor (inventor of 3D holograms) patented a similar tube about the same time in London. And if you check your old copies of "Radio and Hobbies" magazine you will see there were new flat screen ideas published every couple of years from the 1940s. Also note a more affordable version of these flat screen cathode ray tubes were put into production for a few years in miniature hand-held TVs, but became extinct when plasma and LCD flat screens were developed. William Aiken was not involved in the development of these flat panel screens, only the flat cathode ray tube.

Also note his story is no way similar to the Alonso story or average hobbyist story. Aiken was not a hobbyist, but an engineer working for the government when he first got his idea. And he tried to sell it to people who did not want it under his terms or cost proposals (remember I told you experiment must do something useful that other people want done). But I don't see someone else receiving the merit for Aiken's discovery. I see nobody wanted to buy his discovery. Merit was not taken from him by some physics doctor as you claim. Aiken is still listed as the inventor of the first flat screen cathode ray TV. See here: Google "william ross aiken" http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=william+ross+aiken&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

But I do understand the concept that an inexperienced businessman can make bad choices in how to market his idea.


To finish the flat screen idea, do you think Alonso will be putting flat screens on the Mineoro FG detectors to show GPS maps with an "X" to mark the location of treasure?
This is one I would like to see. :)

Best wishes,
J_P

[Qiaozhi]

Do you remember this? ->

http://www.crashonline.org.uk/18/sinclar4.htm

[WM6]

But I do understand the concept that an inexperienced businessman can make bad choices in how to market his idea.

J_P

Mineoro, in contrary, make a brilliant idea how to market "pistol, nothing inside". Not to mighty GE, not to speculative Kaiser, not to tie Naval, but to naive gold hunters.

Someone said, naive will never run out, because every second born one new.

[Max]

Mineoro, in contrary, make a brilliant idea how to market "pistol, nothing inside". Not to mighty GE, not to speculative Kaiser, not to tie Naval, but to naive gold hunters.

Someone said, naive will never run out, because every second born one new.

Mineoro! What a nice company!

Must be rebranded as PanamericanPaloAltoCorporation... of Pantanal.

And they must change also logo... from that funny comic to some serious PaloAlto... so the user will know what expect him/her after buy! :D

Kind regards,
Max

[Theseus]

I'm not very triumphalist like you!

I believe, if I am a triumphalist, as you say; it is only because I have a complete understanding of the topic which we are speaking - based on a very long and arduous collection of all the available data.

That is not to say I am not willing to change my mind in light of new data; ...only that at this time, there is no new data forthcoming. ;)

Provide me with some valid new data...........

[J_Player]

I believe, if I am a triumphalist, as you say; it is only because I have a complete understanding of the topic which we are speaking - based on a very long and arduous collection of all the available data.

That is not to say I am not willing to change my mind in light of new data; ...only that at this time, there is no new data forthcoming. ;)

Provide me with some valid new data...........No data forthcoming?
Hmmm... Are we talking about another secret technology following the road to oblivion?

Maybe somebody else with the same idea will publish some successful experiments with improvements that make the project usable with repeatable test results. Could that save it from oblivion? Of course anyone who did that would receive the merit for his efforts. :rolleyes:

Best wishes
J_P

[Max]

I believe, if I am a triumphalist, as you say; it is only because I have a complete understanding of the topic which we are speaking - based on a very long and arduous collection of all the available data.

That is not to say I am not willing to change my mind in light of new data; ...only that at this time, there is no new data forthcoming. ;)

Provide me with some valid new data...........

Data from him ??? :lol:

It's like squeeze water from a stone... :D

Nothing from him... apart PaloAlto statistics...

[Theseus]

No data forthcoming?
Hmmm... Are we talking about another secret technology following the road to oblivion?

Maybe somebody else with the same idea will publish some successful experiments with improvements that make the project usable with repeatable test results. Could that save it from oblivion? Of course anyone who did that would receive the merit for his efforts. :rolleyes:

Best wishes
J_P

I expect to some, the mere "belief" they are holding back some grandiose technology concept, rather than making it available to the entire scientific community to test and evaluate - is satisfaction enough for them. Could be sort of an ego trip for them.

Or.... alternatively, maybe they are afraid to have the scientific community look at, test and pass judgment on their theory/concept because they already know in their heart what the outcome of that examination would be. Might not be favorable, and then what would they have to look forward to each day of the rest of their life? (rhetorical)

Thus, it is far less risky (to the human psyche), and considerably more pleasant, to simply never expose the total fundamentals of ones "secret concept/phenomenon", and consequently never risk the examination and resultant conclusions from actual peer review. A far safer path to follow and one that allows them to mess with and modify their "beepers" for the rest of their born days; all the while shielding themselves from the horrible truth. :)

[J_Player]

I expect to some, the mere "belief" they are holding back some grandiose technology concept, rather than making it available to the entire scientific community to test and evaluate - is satisfaction enough for them. Could be sort of an ego trip for them.

Or.... alternatively, maybe they are afraid to have the scientific community look at, test and pass judgment on their theory/concept because they already know in their heart what the outcome of that examination would be. Might not be favorable, and then what would they have to look forward to each day of the rest of their life? (rhetorical)

Thus, it is far less risky (to the human psyche), and considerably more pleasant, to simply never expose the total fundamentals of ones "secret concept/phenomenon", and consequently never risk the examination and resultant conclusions from actual peer review. A far safer path to follow and one that allows them to mess with and modify their "beepers" for the rest of their born days; all the while shielding themselves from the horrible truth. :)Actual peer review?
In this case, wouldn't "peer review" be review from other treasure hunters who tested the Mineoro LRLs in the field?
I suppose they could look in the Geotech forum to read some actual peer review. :rolleyes:

Best wishes,
J_P

[Esteban]

Hi Esteban,
I think the example you show is not a good example of the hobbyist experimenter you started with.

General Electric was also interested in his flat cathode ray tube, but Aiken declined their offer, telling them he had chosen the Kaiser group to fund his project. While developing his tube at Kaiser group, he found the Naval Research Center was interested in his flat tube for heads-up displays in jet planes. So they demonstrated a prototype and the government was interested. But when they told the government they must pay millions of dollars to develop production models and set up a plant and get into production, the government was not interested. They were only interested if the product could be implemented at a competitive price compared to other available heads-up display methods which came into use at the time. Kaiser then went to RCA and offered their flat tube to be used in the new RCA color technology. This is the story that we see in the article you posted. Their final decision was as you read -- they were too heavily invested in their own tubes to decide to accept his offer. But the story did not end there. Kaiser also went to other TV tube manufacturers who also did not want to sign a license for these flat tubes either. Not after his visit to RCA. When they found that nobody was interested in paying them to produce or license their flat tube design, Kaiser stopped funding the project. Too bad Aiken didn't choose the offer by GE. They weren't heavily invested in new dot matrix tubes like RCA, and they also had the capacity to fund production costs without problems from stockholders. Who knows?

But lets take a look at the patents Aiken filed. He was not the only person who had patents for flat cathode ray tubes. In fact he was not the discoverer of the concept. Many thought of it before, and a few did enough experimenting to make workable methods. Dr. Dennis Gabor (inventor of 3D holograms) patented a similar tube about the same time in London. And if you check your old copies of "Radio and Hobbies" magazine you will see there were new flat screen ideas published every couple of years from the 1940s. Also note a more affordable version of these flat screen cathode ray tubes were put into production for a few years in miniature hand-held TVs, but became extinct when plasma and LCD flat screens were developed. William Aiken was not involved in the development of these flat panel screens, only the flat cathode ray tube.

Also note his story is no way similar to the Alonso story or average hobbyist story. Aiken was not a hobbyist, but an engineer working for the government when he first got his idea. And he tried to sell it to people who did not want it under his terms or cost proposals (remember I told you experiment must do something useful that other people want done). But I don't see someone else receiving the merit for Aiken's discovery. I see nobody wanted to buy his discovery. Merit was not taken from him by some physics doctor as you claim. Aiken is still listed as the inventor of the first flat screen cathode ray TV. See here: Google "william ross aiken" http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=william+ross+aiken&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

But I do understand the concept that an inexperienced businessman can make bad choices in how to market his idea.


To finish the flat screen idea, do you think Alonso will be putting flat screens on the Mineoro FG detectors to show GPS maps with an "X" to mark the location of treasure?
This is one I would like to see. :)

Best wishes,
J_P

I think is a problem of money... big industry of "fat" tubes. Imagine this guy, good engineer, scientific... experimenter/hobbyist... has less possibility. But Alonso is not hobbyist. I remember that in end of 70s he told that is possible (he assure he is capable of it) process and see a buried coin, for example, in a screen like size oscilloscope tube. So, pistol "can show" targets via screen. He has this tube waiting it... :lol: But jobs, responsabilities consumes much time... I'll ask about it... if I remember. :lol:

For example, he construct normal MD wich can detect a Spanish silver Carolus IV (the piece of eight) at 60 cm depth, discriminative, no PI. But he use strong transmitter. No, he isn't simple hobbyist like me... :lol: And he have a sciebtific mind, he analize very depth the things, and in this field is in extreme intelligent..., even prejudices toward South America by some guys... He make "million" coils for different purposes and experiments and work alone... If you know his capability for the work and intelligence... you don't believe, even today at 64. He told me, and I believe it: "I'm sure I'm the man in the world who winding and try the most quantity of coils". His hand-made coils have not comparisson with all the coils I have seen here on forum (hand-made). He made complete cinema projector by hand, pieces, screws, etc. with machinery. I remember that he has patented one of the smallest 35 mm cinema projector on the world... and he make millions things nobody imagine... He repair his car alone... etc. :lol:

[Esteban]

I believe, if I am a triumphalist, as you say; it is only because I have a complete understanding of the topic which we are speaking - based on a very long and arduous collection of all the available data.

That is not to say I am not willing to change my mind in light of new data; ...only that at this time, there is no new data forthcoming. ;)

Provide me with some valid new data...........

Also I have collection of useful data in the field I work... Pistol is based on magnetic-electric-radioelectric theory, no mistery here. Of course is not valid our datas...: you justify me, so is not useful that present schematics, etc.

[Esteban]

I expect to some, the mere "belief" they are holding back some grandiose technology concept, rather than making it available to the entire scientific community to test and evaluate - is satisfaction enough for them. Could be sort of an ego trip for them.

Or.... alternatively, maybe they are afraid to have the scientific community look at, test and pass judgment on their theory/concept because they already know in their heart what the outcome of that examination would be. Might not be favorable, and then what would they have to look forward to each day of the rest of their life? (rhetorical)

Thus, it is far less risky (to the human psyche), and considerably more pleasant, to simply never expose the total fundamentals of ones "secret concept/phenomenon", and consequently never risk the examination and resultant conclusions from actual peer review. A far safer path to follow and one that allows them to mess with and modify their "beepers" for the rest of their born days; all the while shielding themselves from the horrible truth. :)

Do you see? But the phenomenon is waiting you! Is not in front of your computer or labo. I don't imagine scientifics walking with gadgets trying to "catch" the phenomenon, is not his style, maybe for you is like a "ghost", so explain since my poor scientific perspective is to expend time... for you and for me. :lol: The horrible truth is other...

[Theseus]

Also I have collection of useful data in the field I work... Pistol is based on magnetic-electric-radioelectric theory, no mistery here. Of course is not valid our datas...: you justify me, so is not useful that present schematics, etc.

Sorry.... I don't understand exactly the point you are making. Will reserve comment until maybe some further clarification.

[Fred]

I think the flat tube example is not so good.The tube was really complex,with many plates and tecnhical dificulties.
Probably expensive to build and dificult to use.

[Theseus]

Do you see? But the phenomenon is waiting you! Is not in front of your computer or labo. I don't imagine scientifics walking with gadgets trying to "catch" the phenomenon, is not his style, maybe for you is like a "ghost", so explain since my poor scientific perspective is to expend time... for you and for me. :lol: The horrible truth is other...

Sorry, no I don't see.

The phenomenon you are talking about is not waiting for me to either see or discover it. It is not a tangible as far as I am concerned.

If you, or others, desire for your phenomenon to be recognized by more than just yourselves, it will require that it be observable by not only myself but also disinterested third-parties. I don't think that is in the offing. ;)

[Esteban]

Sorry.... I don't understand exactly the point you are making. Will reserve comment until maybe some further clarification.

You have your data, and also I have data regarding electronic LRLs and MDs. If you assume that all I have been posted since my own experience (and words) of years in this field is not valid, you justify me why I don't wish to present schematic(s).

[J_Player]

I think the flat tube example is not so good.The tube was really complex,with many plates and tecnhical dificulties.
Probably expensive to build and dificult to use.One problem is for the military, they wanted some large screens with curves like a jet plane canopy, so the tube will be the canopy of the plane. Two problems: 1. The structural strength needed is very large because of the vacuum inside two curved plates of glass that are the size of a canopy. Also both plates must be transparent for the pilot to see through, and at the same time must carry high voltage - maybe 20 KV between the plates to deliver the beam.

2. A glass vacuum tube can be dangerous when it receives impact that causes it to break in a jet plane canopy. Maybe better to use safety glass or acrylic for canopy material, and a separate small flat glass heads up display.

When using for home TV, these problems of planes are not important. The problem for domestic use is the development was not done, and the production factories were not done. It costs a lot of money to complete these. Maybe that would have been a good idea to licence to GE who had the facilities for this. But even if GE completed the development and sold them for home use, then not too long later it would be obsolete as the plasma and LCD flat panels were developed. So large expense for few years of flat CRTs.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Esteban]

Sorry, no I don't see.

The phenomenon you are talking about is not waiting for me to either see or discover it. It is not a tangible as far as I am concerned.

If you, or others, desire for your phenomenon to be recognized by more than just yourselves, it will require that it be observable by not only myself but also disinterested third-parties. I don't think that is in the offing. ;)

Observable, don't know... but measurable (detectable) with coils or antenna yes... the "phenomenon" is distortion of magnetic fields associated with chemical process, corrossion, particles migration, etc., that forms also an electric field (deppend of the size), also capable for to detect via RF.

[J_Player]

Observable, don't know... but measurable (detectable) with coils or antenna yes... the "phenomenon" is distortion of magnetic fields associated with chemical process, corrossion, particles migration, etc., that forms also an electric field (deppend of the size), also capable for to detect via RF.The "phenomenon" is not from a column of ions that is 7.2 feet in the air holding its position above the buried metal?

J_P

[Theseus]

You have your data, and also I have data regarding electronic LRLs and MDs. If you assume that all I have been posted since my own experience (and words) of years in this field is not valid, you justify me why I don't wish to present schematic(s).

Just because I don't understand.... does not mean someone else here could not have a better understanding. No excuse not to post your schematics for them, not me. ;)

[Max]

Observable, don't know... but measurable (detectable) with coils or antenna yes... the "phenomenon" is distortion of magnetic fields associated with chemical process, corrossion, particles migration, etc., that forms also an electric field (deppend of the size), also capable for to detect via RF.

In one word ???

Whatever.

[Max]

The "phenomenon" is not from a column of ions that is 7.2 feet in the air holding its position above the buried metal?

J_P

Also you... I guess got infected by Mineoro trojans...

These are for remote mind control.... uhhhhh

Voodo stuff from Brazil... with roasted chicken and tanned chicks...

i think you're already roasted by them ! :lol:

[Max]

Just because I don't understand.... does not mean someone else here could not have a better understanding. No excuse not to post your schematics for them, not me. ;)

What schematic you want ?

PD ?

To make what ? :shocked:

[Fred]

What schematic you want ?

PD ?

To make what ? :shocked:
To sell :lol:

[Max]

To sell :lol:

If so... I can post everything here in public section for all chinese tuned... :rolleyes:

So the value of schematic will drop to 1$ in a second...like all electronics made there! :lol:

What do you think ?

[Fred]

If so... I can post everything here in public section for all chinese tuned... :rolleyes:

So the value of schematic will drop to 1$ in a second...like all electronics made there! :lol:

What do you think ?

Go for it!
You´re the king! :razz:

[Max]

Go for it!
You´re the king! :razz:

I'm ready too upload...

but first wanna see messages from LRL tribe... :lol:

[Max]

Here's the preview...

as always... unfortunately... stamp-sized! :lol:

BUT CHINESE OF ALL PLANET STAY TUNED...

INTERESTING THINGS WILL HAPPEN SHORTLY...

AND MAYBE COMPLETE RELEASE OF ALL

PD SECRETS HERE IN THE PUBLIC FORUM FOR ANYONE

for now... please...be patient.... :rolleyes:

Kind regards,
Max

[Esteban]

The "phenomenon" is not from a column of ions that is 7.2 feet in the air holding its position above the buried metal?

J_P

But if it is only column of ions, vertical, what about horizontal detection (this is the real purpose of electronic LRL, and depth), what causes that the "phenomenon" is detectable 30-90 meters in horizontal? Damásio and Alonso comprobe the verticality (column) over a chair and (because the "phenomenon" going more above) over a stairs. This comprobation they made 25 years ago, maybe before technology of today that uses the ions for to find metal into Earth.

[J_Player]

But if it is only column of ions, vertical, what about horizontal detection (this is the real purpose of electronic LRL, and depth), what causes that the "phenomenon" is detectable 30-90 meters in horizontal? Damásio and Alonso comprobe the verticality (column) over a chair and (because the "phenomenon" going more above) over a stairs. This comprobation they made 25 years ago, maybe before technology of today that uses the ions for to find metal into Eart.The answer is simple. What they detected was not ions, but a different a secondary effect from the buried metal. It is not possible for a cloud of ions to remain stationary in the air whether above something buried or not. As soon as a small breeze blows, the ions will blow away with the wind too. But Gold ions do not exist in a stationary location in the air. They exist in extremely small trace amounts that are scattered all over the air, and cannot be measured with any normal instruments. Special measuring methods must be used to find any gold in the air. And most of it is particulate, not ions. Similar to the trace amount of gold that is found in sea water. It has only been measured by special instruments because it is in such rare trace amounts.

Now, look at the signal that LRL believers are reporting. The "phenomenon" is strong... can burn transistors. Was measured on stairs...
Ions in the open air cannot burn transistors in a metal detector. But a strong enough electric field or magnetic field at a coil could do that. Maybe a secondary effect could cause a response to a detector at those locations, But I think not ions in the air. This is also not hard to prove. First, What proof do Damásio and Alonso have that what they were measuring is ions? Did they prove it they found a column of ions up to 7.2 feet? Or did they prove they recorded some response up to 7.2 feet? What method did they use to identify the response they recorded was caused by ions located in the air? Is it possible they simply assumed the signal was caused by the ions, but did not take an ion sample to prove it? Are you aware that scientists have already proved that the small trace of metal ions in the soil become neutralized before they reach the surface of the ground? Only Mineoro is claiming a concentration of gold ions are remaining in the air, but they have never shown proof using a standard test instrument to prove it.

This is simple to prove... Go to the location where the strong signal is located in the air 7.2 feet above the ground and take the air sample through a drift tube to measure actual ions. This instrument will not respond to other signals that Alonso's machine sees, only ions. You will quickly find that there are no measurable gold ions or other metal ions there other than a few trace random ones that may blow by. You will see the drift tube is very accurate for finding a concentration of gold ions. You will also find it does not report anything more than small amounts of scattered trace ions which are the same in open air above the buried metal as away from it.

This is easy to prove.. why not try?

Best wishes,
J_P

[sweatofglory]

Go for it!
You´re the king! :razz:

Yes, Max is the KING KONG of the LRL world!!!:D:D:D

[hung]

The answer is simple. What they detected was not ions, but a different a secondary effect from the buried metal. It is not possible for a cloud of ions to remain stationary in the air whether above something buried or not. As soon as a small breeze blows, the ions will blow away with the wind too. But Gold ions do not exist in a stationary location in the air. They exist in extremely small trace amounts that are scattered all over the air, and cannot be measured with any normal instruments. Special measuring methods must be used to find any gold in the air. And most of it is particulate, not ions. Similar to the trace amount of gold that is found in sea water. It has only been measured by special instruments because it is in such rare trace amounts.

Now, look at the signal that LRL believers are reporting. The "phenomenon" is strong... can burn transistors. Was measured on stairs...
Ions in the open air cannot burn transistors in a metal detector. But a strong enough electric field or magnetic field at a coil could do that. Maybe a secondary effect could cause a response to a detector at those locations, But I think not ions in the air. This is also not hard to prove. First, What proof do Damásio and Alonso have that what they were measuring is ions? Did they prove it they found a column of ions up to 7.2 feet? Or did they prove they recorded some response up to 7.2 feet? What method did they use to identify the response they recorded was caused by ions located in the air? Is it possible they simply assumed the signal was caused by the ions, but did not take an ion sample to prove it? Are you aware that scientists have already proved that the small trace of metal ions in the soil become neutralized before they reach the surface of the ground? Only Mineoro is claiming a concentration of gold ions are remaining in the air, but they have never shown proof using a standard test instrument to prove it.

This is simple to prove... Go to the location where the strong signal is located in the air 7.2 feet above the ground and take the air sample through a drift tube to measure actual ions. This instrument will not respond to other signals that Alonso's machine sees, only ions. You will quickly find that there are no measurable gold ions or other metal ions there other than a few trace random ones that may blow by. You will see the drift tube is very accurate for finding a concentration of gold ions. You will also find it does not report anything more than small amounts of scattered trace ions which are the same in open air above the buried metal as away from it.

This is easy to prove.. why not try?

Best wishes,
J_P

How naive...

It this was so, every time wind would blow, also electrons would vanish and your favorite radio station 'would be lost' for sometime.
Do you loose that signal?:lol:

You need to read Mineoro's explanation 4 times more. This time memorize the sentences and use glasses. If this was a school test, you would grade F...:lol:

[Theseus]

How naive...

It this was so, every time wind would blow, also electrons would vanish and your favorite radio station 'would be lost' for sometime.
Do you loose that signal?:lol:


Wow! Are you ever confused! :shocked:

You need to go back to the basics, and read about Wave Propagation, how it's done and what is involved.

[J_Player]

How naive...

It this was so, every time wind would blow, also electrons would vanish and your favorite radio station 'would be lost' for sometime.
Do you loose that signal?:lol:

You need to read Mineoro's explanation 4 times more. This time memorize the sentences and use glasses. If this was a school test, you would grade F...:lol:Hi hung,
I can't read the Mineoro page because my anti-virus alert will not let me load their page. But I saved a graphic of their idea for gold ions moving up in the air 7.2 feet above a buried treasure before my previous installation of Windows crashed. So I know they showed 7.2 feet in the air.

But they did not talk about how blowing wind can cause electrons to vanish and cause my favorite radio station to be lost. Is this your idea?
I know you understand a lot about radio wave transmission. I learned from you the principle of the RangerTell for find treasure with an RF carrier:
"This is the principle in which the Rangertell Examiner works. Resonance to the elements subatomic levels when a carrier signal line is shot and returned".

Can you explain the dynamics of rising gold ions 7.2 feet in the air above buried gold for me?

Best wishes,
J_P

[hung]

Hi hung,
I can't read the Mineoro page because my anti-virus alert will not let me load their page. But I saved a graphic of their idea for gold ions moving up in the air 7.2 feet above a buried treasure before my previous installation of Windows crashed. So I know they showed 7.2 feet in the air.

But they did not talk about how blowing wind can cause electrons to vanish and cause my favorite radio station to be lost. Is this your idea?
I know you understand a lot about radio wave transmission. I learned from you the principle of the RangerTell for find treasure with an RF carrier:
"This is the principle in which the Rangertell Examiner works. Resonance to the elements subatomic levels when a carrier signal line is shot and returned".

Can you explain the dynamics of rising gold ions 7.2 feet in the air above buried gold for me?

Best wishes,
J_P

As Esteban said:

Damásio and Alonso comprobe the verticality (column) over a chair and (because the "phenomenon" going more above) over a stairs. This comprobation they made 25 years ago, maybe before technology of today that uses the ions for to find metal into Earth.


Earth has gone into some changes in 25 years. Also after 2004 Tsunami.
It could still be at 7 feet, taller or shorter. Even frequency could now present some slight variation, but the aproach and method in which it manifests will always be the same.


Also, don't try to be silly on me on subjects you complete ignore.
Perpetrating your infant jokes and irony here will not help you...

[Fred]

How naive...

It this was so, every time wind would blow, also electrons would vanish and your favorite radio station 'would be lost' for sometime.
Do you loose that signal?:lol:

You need to read Mineoro's explanation 4 times more. This time memorize the sentences and use glasses. If this was a school test, you would grade F...:lol:

One more post you would better had kept for yourself :lol:
DR Hung cannot make difference between ions and electromagnetic field? :shocked:
One more for the archives...
And i suppose we should read mineoros explanations 4 more times because there is 4 new trojans in their page...

[J_Player]

I learned from you the principle of the RangerTell for find treasure with an RF carrier:
"This is the principle in which the Rangertell Examiner works. Resonance to the elements subatomic levels when a carrier signal line is shot and returned".

Can you explain the dynamics of rising gold ions 7.2 feet in the air above buried gold for me?


Originally posted by hung:
Earth has gone into some changes in 25 years. Also after 2004 Tsunami.
It could still be at 7 feet, taller or shorter. Even frequency could now present some slight variation, but the aproach and method in which it manifests will always be the same.

Also, don't try to be silly on me on subjects you complete ignore.
Perpetrating your infant jokes and irony here will not help you...Hi Dr. hung,
There is nothing silly about my questions, I am dead serious.
I cannot be ignorant about the subject because I quoted what you taught us in this forum about the RangerTell shooting signal lines.
Why are you calling it silly?

But you have not answered my question. You talked about how some natural disasters could present some "slight variation" in the past 25 years, but the aproach and method in which it manifests will always be the same.

So where is your explanation of how gold ions are found at 7.2 feet (with slight variations) in the air above buried gold?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Esteban]

The answer is simple. What they detected was not ions, but a different a secondary effect from the buried metal. It is not possible for a cloud of ions to remain stationary in the air whether above something buried or not. As soon as a small breeze blows, the ions will blow away with the wind too. But Gold ions do not exist in a stationary location in the air. They exist in extremely small trace amounts that are scattered all over the air, and cannot be measured with any normal instruments. Special measuring methods must be used to find any gold in the air. And most of it is particulate, not ions. Similar to the trace amount of gold that is found in sea water. It has only been measured by special instruments because it is in such rare trace amounts.

Now, look at the signal that LRL believers are reporting. The "phenomenon" is strong... can burn transistors. Was measured on stairs...
Ions in the open air cannot burn transistors in a metal detector. But a strong enough electric field or magnetic field at a coil could do that. Maybe a secondary effect could cause a response to a detector at those locations, But I think not ions in the air. This is also not hard to prove. First, What proof do Damásio and Alonso have that what they were measuring is ions? Did they prove it they found a column of ions up to 7.2 feet? Or did they prove they recorded some response up to 7.2 feet? What method did they use to identify the response they recorded was caused by ions located in the air? Is it possible they simply assumed the signal was caused by the ions, but did not take an ion sample to prove it? Are you aware that scientists have already proved that the small trace of metal ions in the soil become neutralized before they reach the surface of the ground? Only Mineoro is claiming a concentration of gold ions are remaining in the air, but they have never shown proof using a standard test instrument to prove it.

This is simple to prove... Go to the location where the strong signal is located in the air 7.2 feet above the ground and take the air sample through a drift tube to measure actual ions. This instrument will not respond to other signals that Alonso's machine sees, only ions. You will quickly find that there are no measurable gold ions or other metal ions there other than a few trace random ones that may blow by. You will see the drift tube is very accurate for finding a concentration of gold ions. You will also find it does not report anything more than small amounts of scattered trace ions which are the same in open air above the buried metal as away from it.

This is easy to prove.. why not try?

Best wishes,
J_P

Of course... secondary effect, and this I called "phenomenon", I think is electrical/magnetic... Here also RF is affected... this mean the "phenomenon" can be detectable via RF.

The feet don't know, but "medition" was made with pistol. But as pistol catch the secondary effect is possible that 7.2 feet can be exceeded easily.

[J_Player]

Of course... secondary effect, and this I called "phenomenon", I think is electrical/magnetic... Here also RF is affected... this mean the "phenomenon" can be detectable via RF.

The feet don't know, but "medition" was made with pistol. But as pistol catch the secondary effect is possible that 7.2 feet can be exceeded easily.Of course,
secondary effect. This effect is derinitely not gold ions in the air. It is something different.
The fact is nobody knows what it is. This is why we hear people call it "phenomenon". Same as when people claim strong signal with a metal detector that disappears after they dig a coin, they call it "halo". They don't know what caused it, only that they detected it.
Maybe "phenomenon" is seen same as "halo". Both are claimed to be detected, and for both, nobody knows exactly what is detected.
People only assume it is electric or magnetic, but not sure.
The only test that was made with standard instruments was to check it is not ions in the air. But instruments did measure ions in the ground above buried metal.
So we are sure there are ions below the ground :)

Best wishes,
J_P

[ivconic]

Here's the preview...

as always... unfortunately... stamp-sized! :lol:

BUT CHINESE OF ALL PLANET STAY TUNED...

INTERESTING THINGS WILL HAPPEN SHORTLY...

AND MAYBE COMPLETE RELEASE OF ALL

PD SECRETS HERE IN THE PUBLIC FORUM FOR ANYONE

for now... please...be patient.... :rolleyes:

Kind regards,
Max


:lol::lol::lol::lol:
Ahahahahahahahahah! Max that is funny!
......
How about this secret project?!

[Max]

:lol::lol::lol::lol:
Ahahahahahahahahah! Max that is funny!
......
How about this secret project?!



Hmmmm... it's stamp sized...must be good then! ;)

[Rudy]

How naive...

It this was so, every time wind would blow, also electrons would vanish and your favorite radio station 'would be lost' for sometime.
Do you loose that signal?:lol:


Such dribble. Obviously you need to read about basic radio transmission theory.

[J_Player]

How naive...

It this was so, every time wind would blow, also electrons would vanish and your favorite radio station 'would be lost' for sometime.
Do you loose that signal?:lol:
Such dribble. Obviously you need to read about basic radio transmission theory. __________________

HH Rudy,
MXT, HeadHunter Wader

Do or do not. There is no try.
Yoda
Hi Rudy,
I kinda thought radio waves could travel through a vacuum without needing ions or electrons to propagate. I guess I was wrong.
Who needs to learn about basic radio transmission theory? Doesn't the esteemed Dr. hung know it inside and out?
He knows transmission principles that are over my head... that's for sure: This is the principle in which the Rangertell Examiner works. Resonance to the elements subatomic levels when a carrier signal line is shot and returned. :nerd:

Best wishes,
J_P

[WM6]

Dr. Best decided to upgrade Ultimate Single Chip Spiral Antenna LRL to Ultimate Single Chip Spiral Antenna Quartz controlled LRL.

It is well known that quartz crystal oscillators operating in the thickness shear mode (TSM) are widely used to detect mass and viscosity changes in thin films and to monitor adsorption from gas and liquid phases of elements.

The precision and detection limits attainable are constrained by the baseline response of the bare crystal.

Dr Best show here that using a conductive adhesive (Eccobond 56C) to fix the spiral antennas directly to the quartz oscillator results in significant improvement in the signal-to-noise ratio in measurements of the conductance of the bare crystal and a net increase in the baseline conductance over the temperature range 5-75 °C.

But, very important (!!!): the baseline frequency and frequency versus temperature remain the same or change only slightly. The conductive adhesive improves the stability, precision, and reproducibility in quartz crystal microbalance measurements.

So dr. Best can now to upgrade Ultimate LRL to quartz crystal microbalanced detection of gold only by put some gold on back spiral antenna and search for balance with gold in soil.

[Theseus]

Such dribble. Obviously you need to read about basic radio transmission theory.

It really does no good for Hung to read about wave propagation concepts, if he refuses to accept and understand them.

I guess like Dell and the other LRL/MFD advocates, it's a whole more fun to live in the world of pseudo science where they can make up their own rules of physics and other strange (as yet undiscovered) phenomenon.

[Esteban]

It really does no good for Hung to read about wave propagation concepts, if he refuses to accept and understand them.

I guess like Dell and the other LRL/MFD advocates, it's a whole more fun to live in the world of pseudo science where they can make up their own rules of physics and other strange (as yet undiscovered) phenomenon.

Some do not "make their own laws," only looking for "secondary manifestations".

[Fred]

Some do not "make their own laws," only looking for "secondary manifestations".
For Hung it is diferent:I already told you, he lives in a parallel dimension.He only uses internet to explain how laws of Physics works "over there".

[Theseus]

Some do not "make their own laws," only looking for "secondary manifestations".

Generally, it is thought to be only reasonable to first have established a correct and valid primary manifestation; before wandering around looking form the secondary ones.

Perhaps you (or someone else) could explain in basic terms what the primary manifestation is. ;)

[Esteban]

Generally, it is thought to be only reasonable to first have established a correct and valid primary manifestation; before wandering around looking form the secondary ones.

Perhaps you (or someone else) could explain in basic terms what the primary manifestation is. ;)

The primary manifestation is magnetic and electric (or conductive properties for each metal). This primary manifestation can distort a little the magnetic lines of Earth, this occurs with iron and also with non ferrous metals. Action of water in soil, particle migration, chemical process in situ and possible redadiated RF signals can produce the secondary manifestation.

[J_Player]

Generally, it is thought to be only reasonable to first have established a correct and valid primary manifestation; before wandering around looking form the secondary ones.

Perhaps you (or someone else) could explain in basic terms what the primary manifestation is. ;)The primary manifestations of buried metal and long-time buried metal which have been measured by scientists are many. You can check with geologists to find that buried metals were observed to give signals on geological instruments to indicate their location. Geologists have been able to measure the primary manifestations with ground resistivity surveys, induced polarization instruments, magnetometers, RF devices devices, and metal detectors (for shallow targets) that indicate the presence of buried metal through primary measurements. Secondary effects of buried metals that have been measured by scientists include (among other methods) measuring gamma ray anomalies and trace ion concentration anomalies in the soil using chemical surveys of the soil above long-time buried metals. These primary and secondary manifestations have been established to be valid by the scientific community.

But the hobbyists did not wait to first find the valid scientific established manifestations. Their experiments are considered invalid as proof of anything, and their home-made instruments are only tools they use when they go treasure hunting. It appears that in order for these "unvalidated" secondary theories are to be accepted, they will first need to be validated by scientists who prove they are correct through testing. In the meantime, the hobbyists rely on assumptions and draw their own conclusions such as "shot signal lines returning".


(Just another "midway opinion" between fairy tales and science that perhaps has a little truth to it).

Best wishes,
J_P

[Theseus]

The primary manifestations of buried metal and long-time buried metal which have been measured by scientists are many. You can check with geologists to find that buried metals were observed to give signals on geological instruments to indicate their location. Geologists have been able to measure the primary manifestations with ground resistivity surveys, induced polarization instruments, magnetometers, RF devices devices, and metal detectors (for shallow targets) that indicate the presence of buried metal through primary measurements. Secondary effects of buried metals that have been measured by scientists include (among other methods) measuring gamma ray anomalies and trace ion concentration anomalies in the soil using chemical surveys of the soil above long-time buried metals. These primary and secondary manifestations have been established to be valid by the scientific community.

But the hobbyists did not wait to first find the valid scientific established manifestations. Their experiments are considered invalid as proof of anything, and their home-made instruments are only tools they use when they go treasure hunting. It appears that in order for these "unvalidated" secondary theories are to be accepted, they will first need to be validated by scientists who prove they are correct through testing. In the meantime, the hobbyists rely on assumptions and draw their own conclusions such as "shot signal lines returning".


(Just another "midway opinion" between fairy tales and science that perhaps has a little truth to it).

Best wishes,
J_P

Can you spell f-r-i-n-g-e?

[J_Player]

Can you spell f-r-i-n-g-e?Hahahahaaa....
I doubt "shot signal lines returning" or "gold DNA" are fringe.... they sound like pure pseudoscience to me. :lol:

Best wishes,
J_P

[epitopios]

Ok ,
already built this one from your picture,
Is this close enough ?
I detect many things but not sure of size of treasures.
There is gold everywhere in my house and i suppose it is making interferences.
The closer one coming from the coaxial connectors that connect to the antenna itself :angry:
Tried to scrap it but surely some atoms remains.
Please help me i need to find a treasure urgently!

This is a Ten-Tec ANTENNA my friend , and especially for HF Frequencies like 14 Mhz
friendly epitopios

[bulsack]

you can shield gold from beeng detected by placing it in an antistatic bag. The gray plastic bags that some electronic parts are placed in and also they come with you'r EZ-pass

[Max]

you can shield gold from beeng detected by placing it in an antistatic bag. The gray plastic bags that some electronic parts are placed in and also they come with you'r EZ-pass

That will interfere with gold frequency reception...

you know you must tune receiver to 1254.0098765 Mhz to receive signal from the gold item , the metallized bag will cut all signal

So you can't detect gold from long range thius way! :nono:

[GOLDENSKULL]

Hi all,

anybody build this dr. Best Ultimate Single Chip Two Antennas LRL ?

Did really This device work ?

[J_Player]

Hi all,
anybody build this dr. Best Ultimate Single Chip Two Antennas LRL ?
Did really This device work ?
Hi GoldenSkull.
Judging from the posts in this thread, I would say there are some dangers associated with using a gold detector this powerful. I am sure you read all the posts, and you remember the posts complaining about gold ion migration through rogue gold ion clouds in the air above long time buried treasures. And you read about how dangerous these ion clouds can be when spontaneous ion migration can cause death to a treasure hunter. We have Fred to thank for bringing this fatal defect to our attention. See here:
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=96596&postcount=72
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=96643&postcount=79 (http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=96596&postcount=75)
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=97341&postcount=121
If you build the Dr. Best single chip detector and use it in the field, then not only will your skull be golden.... your whole body will! ... And you will no longer be breathing when your new life as a museum statue begins. :eek:
But if you take proper precautions, you may be able to use the fantastic treasure-finding ability of these Dr. Best detectors.

Answer to your question: No, I did not build it, but our cheif engineer did, and he has not been seen since my car that was transmuted to solid gold disappeared the same time he did.
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=97496&postcount=123
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=97572&postcount=125

Best wishes,
J_P

[Fred]

I support Dr J_Player message above: be carefull :shocked:
You may be the richest man during the shortest time ever.

[Max]

Hi all,

anybody build this dr. Best Ultimate Single Chip Two Antennas LRL ?

Did really This device work ?





I made it in my spare time , results are great... can detect a gold coin from half-a-mile (if not trees around) and depth of 1 meter.

It pinpoints coins hands down with incredible accurancy.

Just I don't know how to calibrate to diamonds... I'm sure Dr. Best will explain sooner or later, maybe I use wrong frequency ? :rolleyes:

[Fred]

I made it in my spare time , results are great... can detect a gold coin from half-a-mile (if not trees around) and depth of 1 meter.

It pinpoints coins hands down with incredible accurancy.

Just I don't know how to calibrate to diamonds... I'm sure Dr. Best will explain sooner or later, maybe I use wrong frequency ? :rolleyes:

Yes , gold ion goes up into the trees , i suppose they need leafs...
Dear Max, could you build and sell one of those devices to me? A quarter of a mile would be enought if can meake it half the price...

[Theseus]

Yes , gold ion goes up into the trees , i suppose they need leafs...
Dear Max, could you build and sell one of those devices to me? A quarter of a mile would be enought if can meake it half the price...

I think Max was pulling your leg. :)

[GOLDENSKULL]

Hi Max,

if you build this device, please tell us about what kind of antenna you build for this device and about antenna dimensions ... for detect gold ?
and how we use this device for better results...

thanks...

[Qiaozhi]

I think Max was pulling your leg. :)
I think Fred knows that already. ;) He's just playing along with the joke. :lol:

[Qiaozhi]

Hi Max,

if you build this device, please tell us about what kind of antenna you build for this device and about antenna dimensions ... for detect gold ?
and how we use this device for better results...

thanks...
Don't take any of this seriously. It's just a spoof. :cool:

[Max]

Hi Max,

if you build this device, please tell us about what kind of antenna you build for this device and about antenna dimensions ... for detect gold ?
and how we use this device for better results...

thanks...

I used 1/4 dipole antenna plus the quadratic logaritmic one of Dr. Best project, I have also a ferrite inside device for alignment north-south, kind of electronic compass.

I get into Esteban's PC last month and stole many pictures: most are stamp sized schematics of few or no value, but I found a secret folder called "Alonso ferrite antenna", full of details about directive signal line finders... and everything is there, number of turns, core to use, lenght , all there!

I wired 2 up and added to Dr. Best basic design, and with my big surprise I discovered it works very good and help insulating the signal line, as well as identifing the north direction during sweeps of device.

Now I'm building another using a parabolic reflector behind the master Dr. Best's antenna to concentrate field lines... I think I could break the half-mile detection with that.

But need more tests... so for now I'm stuck at half-a-mile.

Kind regards,
Max

[GOLDENSKULL]

Hi Max,
Did you build exactly this schematic ?

[GOLDENSKULL]

Hi Max,

Please show me more details about this device antenna for building it, and if possible share us your antenna's picture ...

Thanks... :cool:

[Qiaozhi]

Hi Max,

Please show me more details about this device antenna for building it, and if possible share us your antenna's picture ...

Thanks... :cool:
You're not listening !!! :stars:

It is a spoof.

[GOLDENSKULL]

You're not listening !!! :stars:

It is a spoof.



Hi Qiaozhi and take it easy...
i have not trust to this device, yet ... :D

there is any other idea...?

[GOLDENSKULL]

Hi max,

I have waiting for your answer...

[Esteban]

Hi max,

I have waiting for your answer...

A simple audio preamp and a few other things is better than Dr. Best (Dr. Bad).

[aft_72005]

A simple audio preamp and a few other things is better than Dr. Best (Dr. Bad).

Hi Esteban
I did try my electrostatic detector on aluminum and copper target
( 7 yare buried) , without result .
Best regards.

[Qiaozhi]

Hi Qiaozhi and take it easy...
i have not trust to this device, yet ... :D

there is any other idea...?
Perhaps you don't understand the meaning:

Other words for "spoof" are "hoax" and "deception".
The Dr. Best device is not real. It is just a joke. :lol:

[GOLDENSKULL]

Hi aft_72005,

Did you build dr. Best Ultimate Single Chip Two Antennas LRL (http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=100338#post100338) ?
or you build other electrostatic detector ?

Did you get any result with build LRL or electrostatic detector, yet ?
I work on a schematic that can detect both negative and positive ions,
and welcome to anybody to complete it ...!!! ;)