Lightnin' BOLT !

[peroon]

Just look what is posted in LA Times !?!?!?!?

So...now Usain Bolt is "freak of the nature" !???!?
When "they" can not beat somebody, usually "they" decree him as "freak of the nature" !!
Than...how to like "them"?? Despite our efforts, we simply can not like those kind of people (if people they are at all).
Yesterday evening i watched that race with a huge thrill. I was and still am delited with what Usain Bolt achieved! What a man! What a champion! Real champion! Not "freak of the nature" but great man, real man and finest human specimen!

Minute after the race i almost died laughing cose of so idiotic and stupid appearance of Lolo Jones when interviewing Tyson G.a.y. What a stupid and limited girl she is?
Typical american girl with typical american way of thinking!? Horror! (I for sure should know that fact, i met many of them in my life so far!)
Instead asking poor Tyson about huge lost from Bolt and huge disapointment, she actually pretty thrilled told him how he won national record!!!! Tyson was confused much, perplexed and said something which he, himself couldnt even understand!?
Ahahahhahaahh!
I am sorry for Tyson, it is so obvious that he is great racer and great sportsman. All tributes to him.
But Bolt is superior! Best that mother nature can give us!
And it is time to be accepted as that. It is huge shame for usa , shame and reproach to have so bad attitude upon foreign (and much better) sportist who easilly beat their (also not bad) sportists.
Articles like this one in LA Times, written by some american idiot, will not contribute at all to relations usa - rest of the world. On contrary, articles and attitude simillar to this will enlarge abyss already present between usa and rest of the world.
How to like them? How to give them a friendly hand? Tough!

[Max]

Just look what is posted in LA Times !?!?!?!?

So...now Usain Bolt is "freak of the nature" !???!?
When "they" can not beat somebody, usually "they" decree him as "freak of the nature" !!
Than...how to like "them"?? Despite our efforts, we simply can not like those kind of people (if people they are at all).
Yesterday evening i watched that race with a huge thrill. I was and still am delited with what Usain Bolt achieved! What a man! What a champion! Real champion! Not "freak of the nature" but great man, real man and finest human specimen!

Minute after the race i almost died laughing cose of so idiotic and stupid appearance of Lolo Jones when interviewing Tyson G.a.y. What a stupid and limited girl she is?
Typical american girl with typical american way of thinking!? Horror! (I for sure should know that fact, i met many of them in my life so far!)
Instead asking poor Tyson about huge lost from Bolt and huge disapointment, she actually pretty thrilled told him how he won national record!!!! Tyson was confused much, perplexed and said something which he, himself couldnt even understand!?
Ahahahhahaahh!
I am sorry for Tyson, it is so obvious that he is great racer and great sportsman. All tributes to him.
But Bolt is superior! Best that mother nature can give us!
And it is time to be accepted as that. It is huge shame for usa , shame and reproach to have so bad attitude upon foreign (and much better) sportist who easilly beat their (also not bad) sportists.
Articles like this one in LA Times, written by some american idiot, will not contribute at all to relations usa - rest of the world. On contrary, articles and attitude simillar to this will enlarge abyss already present between usa and rest of the world.
How to like them? How to give them a friendly hand? Tough!

Hi,
eh ???

"freak of nature" ??? :lol:

Who wrote that, whoever he/she is, is a big *****hole, a truly gigantic IDIOT! Dot. :lol:

Me too... watched that race with a huge thrill yesterday...

What Bolt made is already HISTORY. And G.a.y. ...well... what to say, is fast, but not as fast... and I really don't understand his way of doing... what he said... what he has aginst so SUPERIOR sportsman, that's BOLT.

BOLT won the race with style... and G.a.y. simple don't realize he lose not cause there's some "freak of nature" against him but, simply, someone that runs faster. Dot.

Someone think is there any doping or something !? Prove that, or shut up!

That's a really bad example of press article from L.A. times, if that's new politics there... well... people can also don't buy that c.r.a.p. or throw in the pile of garbage...

I was thrilled when Carl Lewis won all that medals in L.A. and all celebrated him for so many years... now what I have to read: "freak of nature"...

The only "freak of nature" are newspapers that hire that "genius"... next Pulitzer Prize I think... :razz:

Fu#k the L.A. Times, Fu#k that stupid monkeys...

Bolt is an antihero... and they hate him cause of that and cause he's from Jamaica and not USA... and they hate most of all his dance attitude at the end of races... that they see like a big joke to the billion dollars paid G.a.y. s. :rolleyes:

Kind regards,
Max

[peroon]

I agree 100% with You.
Usain Bolt is history maker, no matter what certain news rats trying with posting such rubbish. Only average american idiot can accept simillar nonsences.
It is still fresh in my memory - huge injustice done to my compatriot Milorad Cavic, at olymipic games in Beijing. He was the real winner in that race against Michael Phelps. But than "those" did the "magic" with time counters and made M.P. the winner. Nobody on this planet MUST NOT win against usa sportists! Ha,ha,ha!
I saw slowmotion of that race dozen times (on our national tv was analyzed in details) and it is so obvious that Cavic touched first the pool fence (or whatever they calling that marker).
Yet...it was not enough. M.P. must win, so they did it!
Now is Usain Bolt on the table! If he was from usa than we wouldnt have what to talk about. Pitty (for them) he is from Jamaica. God bless him and whole Jamaica!

[peroon]

But wait...more reproach is waiting "them". Usain Bolt and company are just about to take more medals in Berlin!!! Ahahahahahah! Looking forward to see and enjoy! :lol::lol::lol:

[Max]

I agree 100% with You.
Usain Bolt is history maker, no matter what certain news rats trying with posting such rubbish. Only average american idiot can accept simillar nonsences.
It is still fresh in my memory - huge injustice done to my compatriot Milorad Cavic, at olymipic games in Beijing. He was the real winner in that race against Michael Phelps. But than "those" did the "magic" with time counters and made M.P. the winner. Nobody on this planet MUST NOT win against usa sportists! Ha,ha,ha!
I saw slowmotion of that race dozen times (on our national tv was analyzed in details) and it is so obvious that Cavic touched first the pool fence (or whatever they calling that marker).
Yet...it was not enough. M.P. must win, so they did it!
Now is Usain Bolt on the table! If he was from usa than we wouldnt have what to talk about. Pitty (for them) he is from Jamaica. God bless him and whole Jamaica!

Yes exactly.

Me too think that Cavic won that race... but maybe Beijing judges need googles... :lol:

But... you know... M.P. needs another gold medal... and they gave him! :rolleyes:

And then the smart press made all that game as in Carl Lewis case, years ago... not even considering that "incident" of Beijing games...

What to say... they need googles too! :D

Kind regards,
Max

[peroon]

There are some highlights on Eurosport right now. I saw race again. And i took a shot with my cam, short movie directly from tv screen. Ha,ha,ha!
Just look what spirit has that man! Man must like that Usain Bolt! Real character!
I am sitting in front of tv and waiting more events today...
Enjoy!
:):):)

[peroon]

Ooops HE did it again!!! :lol::D:razz:

* 100m = 9.58
* 200m = 19.19

What's next?

:lol::lol::lol:

[J_Player]

BOLT won the race with style... and G.a.y. simple don't realize he lose not cause there's some "freak of nature" against him but, simply, someone that runs faster. Dot.

Someone think is there any doping or something !? Prove that, or shut up!

That's a really bad example of press article from L.A. times, if that's new politics there... well... people can also don't buy that c.r.a.p. or throw in the pile of garbage...

I was thrilled when Carl Lewis won all that medals in L.A. and all celebrated him for so many years... now what I have to read: "freak of nature"...

The only "freak of nature" are newspapers that hire that "genius"... next Pulitzer Prize I think... :razz:

Fu#k the L.A. Times, Fu#k that stupid monkeys...
Hi Max,
You are exactly right. He lost not cause there's some "freak of nature" against him, but simply someone that runs faster.

The reporting from the LA Times, and other American TV and newspaper press is editorial propaganda, not true reporting of the facts. The Newspapers and Radio broadcasts in the USA began a propaganda campaign during the second world war when they noticed how effective Hitler's propaganda was for getting support from the people of that country. Since that time, the television broadcasts have also been used to promote propaganda along with actual news. Whenever there is any world controversy, the American press and broadcasts show the stories from the edited American point of view. This is because the USA government has strong influence in the USA news agencies. The reasoning is the press must support the idea that the USA is the best of everything in the world. If Americans believe they are the best, and have the best government, and have the best ideas, and best athletes, and best everything, then they will support the government policies, even if they are not popular policies to most of the world outside the USA. And most USA citizens believe most of what they hear from the USA news. They are too busy working to take time to check if it is true or not. There are still USA citizens who believe the war against Iraq was for the purpose to stop Iraq from stockpiling weapons of mass destruction, while all the rest of the world knows a different reason for that war. This is not because these Americans are stupid, but because they only heard what what was reported in the USA news services.

As a resident of the USA, have been watching this USA propaganda phenomenon for years. Years ago I first discovered it when I spent hours listening to broadcasts on short wave radio from other countries. I heard many world news events that were never reported in the USA, and others that seem to have been twisted into something different than what most of the other countries were reporting. In my travels, I discovered that what the other countries were reporting are often more accurate than the version that is reported in the USA news. But I also see propaganda in the reporting from other countries too. It seems the "truth" of any event depends on the politics from where it is reported.

I think most intelligent people can recognize when they are reading and hearing slanted stories in the news. Not all people in the USA are ignorant enough to make the kind of reporting that we see in the G.a.y/Bolt race. The reason we see idiotic reporters from the USA is because the executives who own the news agencies will not hire reporters who do not provide the "American dream" point of view. If a reporter was to say G.a.y lost the race because Bolt is just plain faster -- Bolt is not from the USA, but he's the fastest you will find in this world", then this reporter would be looking for a new job the next day. This seems to be true of all the major USA news agencies. I am sure there are other countries where we find varying degrees of this kind of news control happening.

What is sad is this is what is seen by the world as representing the average USA citizens. In fact, most people in the USA are not inclined to twist a story like that. Only a few who understand what they are expected to report when they work for a large news agency would do that.

The USA is comprised of immigrants from countries all over the world, as well as a few aboriginals who lived here before the immigrants. We have all cultures and points of view. I seriously doubt the average citizen would allow himself to publish the kind of garbage you are referring to if they were asked to report the story. But then no news agency would hire a person with the idea to report only the facts. They want people who will conduct interviews that will promote the American dream, not reality.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Fred]

This is so true and well said .

[peroon]

Yes it is true and well said...and also very sad. Bad thing is also that many other countries are having simillar propaganda as usa.
I dont beleive that most of usa citizens are stupid, of course not. usa is huge country with huge population. There are many smart and valueable people there , of course. But major percentage are average people with "chicken memory" - sad but true. Same as in my country and any other.
But claiming Bolt as "freak of the nature" is a way to much! Just because he is not usa sportsman and just because he is much better than any usa sportsman! Not fair, not sport and not smart at all.
With very same philosophy usa propaganda and usa politics are started various wars arround the globe. I have very personal reasons to hate. usa propaganda and usa politics bombed my country for 78 days and destroyed it in huge percent, so as killed many inocent people here. usa politics couldnt fight directly to our army but bombed hospitals, civil marks and killed mostly civilians and destroyed mostly civil targets. Later they proclaimed colateral damage!!! In same manner usama bin fuc.k.i.n.g ladden could claim wt towers as colateral damage. I hate usama bin fuc.k.i.n.g ladden same way as i hate usa politics - those are same to me, no differences - both are killing inocent people arround the world.
Reading what that idiot posted in LA Times i can only sense the very same spirit - today sport joke, tomorow bombs on Jamaica, if neccessary!

That's way is very important ordinary people from usa to stand up and fight against simillar appearances! Not to fight arround the world - but first to clean garbage in their own house.
Larger the house - more garbage to clean! A lot of job is waiting.
J Player i thank you for such good elaborated text. I agree 100%.
Regards!

[J_Player]

...That's way is very important ordinary people from usa to stand up and fight against simillar appearances! Not to fight arround the world - but first to clean garbage in their own house.
Larger the house - more garbage to clean! A lot of job is waiting.
J Player i thank you for such good elaborated text. I agree 100%.
Regards!The large percentage of ordinary American people have no reason to stand up and fight. They do not know the news they hear is not a true account of the facts. The average American person believes he is seeing the true news, because he does not see other viewpoints from other places in the world. So they do not see the appearance of any garbage to clean up in the news.

But this does not happen only in the USA. You will see the news service for many countries contains some degree of propaganda and editing to support the politics of these other countries. It has been my experience that people think the same way all over the world. If people in China, or Russia, or Italy, or any other country were to hear only broadcasts that were had editorial propaganda, then they would also believe what they are hearing is correct. But in Europe this is not easily done, because Europeans speak several languages, and can hear broadcasts from many countries to get a good picture of what are the real facts. In the USA most average Americans only speak English, and will only hear the USA news broadcasts. For this reason, it is much easier to accomplish the task of adding propaganda to the news in the USA. And people seldom suspect anything is wrong, because there is no "different version" news to compare to the news they hear. So if I am correct, It is highly unlikely that there will be any citizen's uprising in the USA designed to remove propaganda from the news. And I doubt any small group of protesters would have any chance in changing the USA news service policies.

The result of this propaganda is most Americans believe the wars that happened were necessary to stop very dangerous threats to the world or to USA. This is what they see on the television, and what they believe. They have no reason to put a stop to fighting these wars against these perceived threats to the world. They want to help remove these threats, and they know the way to do this is to support their government's position. So the average American citizen is not stupid, but just uninformed. Actually, they may be less smart on average than the rest of the world because they spend a lot of time getting their opinions from watching televisions, which prevents them from thinking on their own.

I could be wrong about all this, but this is how it looks to me from inside the USA after going outside for some extended stays.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Fred]

...so as killed many inocent people here. usa politics couldnt fight directly to our army but bombed hospitals, civil marks and killed mostly civilians and destroyed mostly civil targets. Later they proclaimed colateral damage!!! In same manner usama bin fuc.k.i.n.g ladden could claim wt towers as colateral damage. I hate usama bin fuc.k.i.n.g ladden
Be carefull: why do you hate bin Laden? do you know him? everything you know from him come from the medias.
People need to hate someone with a face, a evil individual wich is against US- if you say them them it´s a whole continent -or more- that will ruin their moral.
Are you sure americans bombed everything you see bombed ? Often they make lots of mistakes but sometimes people use this as propaganda.
You will make a lot more damage bombing your own hospital than using 1000 bombs agains soldiers.
I don´t say it has been done, nor that Bin laden is a nice guy, just the we need to open our eyes. everything is possible.And history show us how men can be cruel to suit their interests.

I could be wrong about all this, but this is how it looks to me from inside the USA after going outside for some extended stays.
Best wishes,
J_P

I think everyone should travel for a while when young-as a duty.World would probably be much more peacefull after 1 generation.
The fact that the US has no many borders and is geographically isolated probably helps making the situation you depicted-and the government to keep it like this.

[peroon]

The large percentage of ordinary American people have no reason to stand up and fight. They do not know the news they hear is not a true account of the facts. The average American person believes he is seeing the true news, because he does not see other viewpoints from other places in the world. So they do not see the appearance of any garbage to clean up in the news.

But this does not happen only in the USA. You will see the news service for many countries contains some degree of propaganda and editing to support the politics of these other countries. It has been my experience that people think the same way all over the world. If people in China, or Russia, or Italy, or any other country were to hear only broadcasts that were had editorial propaganda, then they would also believe what they are hearing is correct. But in Europe this is not easily done, because Europeans speak several languages, and can hear broadcasts from many countries to get a good picture of what are the real facts. In the USA most average Americans only speak English, and will only hear the USA news broadcasts. For this reason, it is much easier to accomplish the task of adding propaganda to the news in the USA. And people seldom suspect anything is wrong, because there is no "different version" news to compare to the news they hear. So if I am correct, It is highly unlikely that there will be any citizen's uprising in the USA designed to remove propaganda from the news. And I doubt any small group of protesters would have any chance in changing the USA news service policies.

The result of this propaganda is most Americans believe the wars that happened were necessary to stop very dangerous threats to the world or to USA. This is what they see on the television, and what they believe. They have no reason to put a stop to fighting these wars against these perceived threats to the world. They want to help remove these threats, and they know the way to do this is to support their government's position. So the average American citizen is not stupid, but just uninformed. Actually, they may be less smart on average than the rest of the world because they spend a lot of time getting their opinions from watching televisions, which prevents them from thinking on their own.

I could be wrong about all this, but this is how it looks to me from inside the USA after going outside for some extended stays.

Best wishes,
J_P


No, you are not wrong. It is truth. Sort of informations gheto or informations blockade over ordinary usa citizens. There was very nice movie touching that subject. I dont remember exactly the title...but as i remeber Robert De Niro, Al Pacino and few other actors there. Story about faked tv story about young and brave albanian girl etc..etc... Excellent movie!
But nowdays we have internet - most powerfull thing on a planet. Nowdays we can make contacts and friendship (isn't this the one of the possible ways?) and we can overcome inner politics and informations blockade.
When i said i have reasons to hate i didnt said that i actually hate! Not at all.
I just want to see the day when those bad politics will stop and be defeated, once for all. It is time to stop with those. We all gonna turn very stupid nowdays, if dont use brains and huge power of internet, among other possible ways.
So..no you are not wrong. I know exactly what are you saying and i agree with that.
Regards!

[peroon]

Be carefull: why do you hate bin Laden? do you know him? everything you know from him come from the medias.
People need to hate someone with a face, a evil individual wich is against US- if you say them them it´s a whole continent -or more- that will ruin their moral.
Are you sure americans bombed everything you see bombed ? Often they make lots of mistakes but sometimes people use this as propaganda.
You will make a lot more damage bombing your own hospital than using 1000 bombs agains soldiers.
I don´t say it has been done, nor that Bin laden is a nice guy, just the we need to open our eyes. everything is possible.And history show us how men can be cruel to suit their interests.



I think everyone should travel for a while when young-as a duty.World would probably be much more peacefull after 1 generation.
The fact that the US has no many borders and is geographically isolated probably helps making the situation you depicted-and the government to keep it like this.

You got the point about ubl. Maybe...and just maybe he is demonized to much. But than again...i see lot of terorists attacks arround the world under his flag and under his signature??

About bombing here, at my country; well.... i know that because i was there. 78 days of bombing and i was 60 days under uniform, heavilly armed, waiting their land troops to cross our border. Pitty (or maybe luckilly) they never crosed our borders. I was ready to die, just wanted to kill as many of them as possible. But they never came. It was much less risky to bomb and stay away on secure distance, for them. Even than we managed somehow to "land" many of their aircrafts and among those 2 "invisible"'s ! :lol:
So much from "invisibillity"!
At the end we lost. We lost much. And still most of usa citizens think we were the bad guys!
They crossed the ocean and attacked us, killed and destroyed us in our country in our land...and despite all of that at the end we turned to be very bad guys! Ahahhaha!
Same as that idiot journalist claimed Bolt as "freak of the nature" !
Only Bolt's guilt is cose he is fastest man on planet. Superior over any usa sportist. Nothing else.

When i said usa citizens must rise and clean garbage in their own home, i ment just exactly that - to stand up against that journalist, for example. And against any other simillar idiot with simillar claims. I guess there are enough sane people there to realize that claiming somebody "freak of the nature" is actually HUGE offend! Offend against humanity! Offend against human rights! Do those people need somebody from abroad to tell them that?
I honestly hope they dont need.
Land of "democracy" we are speaking here of...

However, J Player is right. Many of possible remarks which goes on usa account could also, easilly go on other countries accounts too.
People arround the world are actually very simillar, no doubts in that.
It is just a matter of power and money and longterm interests.
Ok.. let's not turn this to much in politic debate. Worse thing we can end up with here could be politic debate. Buuiiiyakkk!
Let's turn to the bright side of this thread - Usain Bolt! Aint he a character?
Looking forward to see more from him...
Cheers!

[Fred]

You´re right.
Cheers! :cheers:

[J_Player]

No, you are not wrong. It is truth. Sort of informations gheto or informations blockade over ordinary usa citizens. There was very nice movie touching that subject. I dont remember exactly the title...but as i remeber Robert De Niro, Al Pacino and few other actors there. Story about faked tv story about young and brave albanian girl etc..etc... Excellent movie!
But nowdays we have internet - most powerfull thing on a planet. Nowdays we can make contacts and friendship (isn't this the one of the possible ways?) and we can overcome inner politics and informations blockade.
When i said i have reasons to hate i didnt said that i actually hate! Not at all.
I just want to see the day when those bad politics will stop and be defeated, once for all. It is time to stop with those. We all gonna turn very stupid nowdays, if dont use brains and huge power of internet, among other possible ways.
So..no you are not wrong. I know exactly what are you saying and i agree with that.

....Ok.. let's not turn this to much in politic debate. Worse thing we can end up with here could be politic debate. Buuiiiyakkk!
Let's turn to the bright side of this thread - Usain Bolt! Aint he a character?
Looking forward to see more from him...I like to watch champions win their victories. I will be watching Bolt too. :super:

But the propaganda machines do not exist only in the news media. They have long been used on the internet as well. Steering away from politics, we see that internet propaganda has influenced the way people look at metal detecting, particularly long range locating. The problem with internet propaganda is it is sometimes difficult to know what is the real facts and what is the propaganda.

Internet LRL propaganda in the simplest form is fake advertising about LRLs that do not find treasures from long distances. This is easy to prove if you have the money to buy a LRL.

But we still have LRL proponents who claim they work by principles that are not accepted by scientists. If you look at the published information of how these little known principles of LRL work, you find strange science articles from places like Keelynet that talk about space alien technology, and experiments designed to produce free energy. This was from 10-20 years ago. But today, Keelynet has cleaned up it's image because they were seen as a bunch of wierdos publishing wierd science that only adolescents would pay much attention to. Today's Keelynet has shifted to a more accepted format that is hesitant to publish fantastic stories. Today we have a large collection of websites that promote the same kind of science as what Keelynet spearheaded decades ago. And these new websites are presented in a way that appears to be legitimate, yet they are publishing the same fantastic stories as have been around for decades.

One of the foremost LRL proponents in the Remote Sensing forum claims that his secret LRLs work on some of these principles. The principles described in these sources include radionics, zero point energy, technology from space aliens, advanced quantum physics which allows time travel and creation of energy from a vacum. Unlike past publications which posted long rambling stories and doctrines, the new versions are written in the format of well-organized websites which give the appearance of legitimacy, and are documented by quoting people who have some credentials. To an average reader, these sites look legitimate, and the fantastic stories seem plausible. But a person who has the mathematical knowledge and the experience of education in these areas will see it is simply another version of what was posted by Keelynet and similar sites decades ago. You can simply research the "credentialed people" they quote to begin to understand how good their information is. While these sites are full of science fiction, there is some truth in some of what they say, and they make very interesting reading. But the bottom line is they are full of propaganda, just as political sites are.

So we see the propaganda on the internet is used to help fuel the belief in long range locating, in place of actual field demonstrations to show whether these gadgets really work or not. I am happy the scientists who send explorer satellites do not consult these sites to get their information on how to do their jobs. Otherwise we would have the skies full of satellites with LRLs in them looking for all manner of buried objects, and to determine what elements are on distant stars.


....Another cold one for the Lightening Bolt! :cheers:
Best wishes,
J_P

[Max]

The large percentage of ordinary American people have no reason to stand up and fight. They do not know the news they hear is not a true account of the facts. The average American person believes he is seeing the true news, because he does not see other viewpoints from other places in the world. So they do not see the appearance of any garbage to clean up in the news.

But this does not happen only in the USA. You will see the news service for many countries contains some degree of propaganda and editing to support the politics of these other countries. It has been my experience that people think the same way all over the world. If people in China, or Russia, or Italy, or any other country were to hear only broadcasts that were had editorial propaganda, then they would also believe what they are hearing is correct. But in Europe this is not easily done, because Europeans speak several languages, and can hear broadcasts from many countries to get a good picture of what are the real facts. In the USA most average Americans only speak English, and will only hear the USA news broadcasts. For this reason, it is much easier to accomplish the task of adding propaganda to the news in the USA. And people seldom suspect anything is wrong, because there is no "different version" news to compare to the news they hear. So if I am correct, It is highly unlikely that there will be any citizen's uprising in the USA designed to remove propaganda from the news. And I doubt any small group of protesters would have any chance in changing the USA news service policies.

The result of this propaganda is most Americans believe the wars that happened were necessary to stop very dangerous threats to the world or to USA. This is what they see on the television, and what they believe. They have no reason to put a stop to fighting these wars against these perceived threats to the world. They want to help remove these threats, and they know the way to do this is to support their government's position. So the average American citizen is not stupid, but just uninformed. Actually, they may be less smart on average than the rest of the world because they spend a lot of time getting their opinions from watching televisions, which prevents them from thinking on their own.

I could be wrong about all this, but this is how it looks to me from inside the USA after going outside for some extended stays.

Best wishes,
J_P

"In the USA most average Americans only speak English, and will only hear the USA news broadcasts. "

Hmmmm...
sure it is, but it's not a real and important reason today.

I mean, they could watch BBC world, they could watch Al Jazeera international (english), they could see a number of international (english) reports/services (think e.g. at RussiaToday... a sat tv that make news etc ONLY in english!).

The problem with that english only understanding is now back... one must just have a sat receiver and a dish... or simply a computer and Internet and watch whatever he want in english, everywhere...

And even in places like China or Iran... no problems for "skilled" people... :rolleyes: In US not even a problem... everything you can do... about... even buy a war-rifle at supermarket! :lol:
Ok... laws there are too... and limitations on some things... but cannot compare with e.g. Europe... where e.g. weapons control and selling is really strictly limited.

In USA the problem is that people have kinda of "autarchy culture" ...so they think simply don't need watching from a "different point of view".

Indeed that's the idea behind Al Jazeera international and other stuff... but seems not much US citizens watch it! :lol:

Autarchy... USA suffers from that disease.... I think. In everything.

Thats' my point of view , of course. :D

Then what to expect from autarchy system ? Autarchy e.g. press and newspapers or TV ?

I tell you... watch Fox and you'll see... just USA-centric presentation of world affairs and news... not even a different "point of view" there.

That's why I don't watch much Fox... I know already what they made without watching! :lol:

But, let me say that other countries is about the same... with very few exceptions... like northern europe TVs/news/press ... evn in UK there's a fairly clear way of doing about "interesting" stuff...

Don't you remember "how" some western tv channels spread images of gen. Colin Powell play with a glass vial at UN ... talking of Saddam's secret weapons... ??? :rolleyes:

And BBC what spreaded by its channels ??? Who remember that ??? ;)

Then what ?

Nothing... press/news are striclty controlled in most of the world... and "free" people/journalists are often killed in an elevator... :rolleyes:

That's reality.

Kind regards,
Max

[J_Player]

"In the USA most average Americans only speak English, and will only hear the USA news broadcasts. "

Hmmmm...
sure it is, but it's not a real and important reason today.

I mean, they could watch BBC world, they could watch Al Jazeera international (english), they could see a number of international (english) reports/services (think e.g. at RussiaToday... a sat tv that make news etc ONLY in english!).

The problem with that english only understanding is now back... one must just have a sat receiver and a dish... or simply a computer and Internet and watch whatever he want in english, everywhere...

And even in places like China or Iran... no problems for "skilled" people... :rolleyes: In US not even a problem... everything you can do... about... even buy a war-rifle at supermarket! :lol:
Ok... laws there are too... and limitations on some things... but cannot compare with e.g. Europe... where e.g. weapons control and selling is really strictly limited.

In USA the problem is that people have kinda of "autarchy culture" ...so they think simply don't need watching from a "different point of view".

Indeed that's the idea behind Al Jazeera international and other stuff... but seems not much US citizens watch it! :lol:

Autarchy... USA suffers from that disease.... I think. In everything.

Thats' my point of view , of course. :D

Then what to expect from autarchy system ? Autarchy e.g. press and newspapers or TV ?

I tell you... watch Fox and you'll see... just USA-centric presentation of world affairs and news... not even a different "point of view" there.

That's why I don't watch much Fox... I know already what they made without watching! :lol:

But, let me say that other countries is about the same... with very few exceptions... like northern europe TVs/news/press ... evn in UK there's a fairly clear way of doing about "interesting" stuff...

Don't you remember "how" some western tv channels spread images of gen. Colin Powell play with a glass vial at UN ... talking of Saddam's secret weapons... ??? :rolleyes:

And BBC what spreaded by its channels ??? Who remember that ??? ;)

Then what ?

Nothing... press/news are striclty controlled in most of the world... and "free" people/journalists are often killed in an elevator... :rolleyes:

That's reality.

Kind regards,
MaxHi Max,
When you say Autarchy, I presume you mean autarky, which means self sufficiency. The USA is self sufficient in some ways. At least they don't rely on any one particular industry to maintain their existence, and they don't require the aid of other countries for military strength. But this has little to do with what the average American watches to see the news.

The average American is too busy with working and raising a family to spend leisure time looking for lots of news broadcasts with different opinions. Most Americans watch the local news broadcasts because they will get the local sports news and weather forecast only when they watch the local news. These local broadcasts often have their own reporters read the world news that is handed to them by USA news agencies. Other Americans like to watch their favorite world news on CNN or other USA news reports. But rarely the average USA citizen spends much time listening to news broadcast from non-USA services, partly because they have become accustomed to their favorite broadcasts, and they want to get the spectrum of news they are accustomed to within a reasonable length of time so they have time to spend with their families and other activities. Many of the large news agencies like CNN and Fox will often put on short interviews with reporters from England and other countries, which gives the viewer the impression he is hearing the news from all over the world. Of course, the USA news agency will choose what foreign reporters are permitted to talk to their American audience. Most Americans have no idea there can be a large difference in the content of world news broadcasts from other sources.

The reason I came to learn there was a different version of the news is because listening to short wave radio broadcasts was once a hobby that I did in my spare time for more than a year. After seeing how much the news can change from different sources, I became aware that the USA news is not the only version, and is sometimes not the most accurate version. Since that time, when I hear about some world controversy, I will listen to some of the news broadcasts from the European countries, and South America, as well as from the Pacific. It does not take long to find out what most of the world is thinking about a particular world news event that way.

But not even I have time for continually listening to hours of news broadcasts every day. I found there are more important things to life, like metal detectors, for example.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Max]

Hi Max,
When you say Autarchy, I presume you mean autarky, which means self sufficiency. The USA is self sufficient in some ways. At least they don't rely on any one particular industry to maintain their existence, and they don't require the aid of other countries for military strength. But this has little to do with what the average American watches to see the news.

The average American is too busy with working and raising a family to spend leisure time looking for lots of news broadcasts with different opinions. Most Americans watch the local news broadcasts because they will get the local sports news and weather forecast only when they watch the local news. These local broadcasts often have their own reporters read the world news that is handed to them by USA news agencies. Other Americans like to watch their favorite world news on CNN or other USA news reports. But rarely the average USA citizen spends much time listening to news broadcast from non-USA services, partly because they have become accustomed to their favorite broadcasts, and they want to get the spectrum of news they are accustomed to within a reasonable length of time so they have time to spend with their families and other activities. Many of the large news agencies like CNN and Fox will often put on short interviews with reporters from England and other countries, which gives the viewer the impression he is hearing the news from all over the world. Of course, the USA news agency will choose what foreign reporters are permitted to talk to their American audience. Most Americans have no idea there can be a large difference in the content of world news broadcasts from other sources.

The reason I came to learn there was a different version of the news is because listening to short wave radio broadcasts was once a hobby that I did in my spare time for more than a year. After seeing how much the news can change from different sources, I became aware that the USA news is not the only version, and is sometimes not the most accurate version. Since that time, when I hear about some world controversy, I will listen to some of the news broadcasts from the European countries, and South America, as well as from the Pacific. It does not take long to find out what most of the world is thinking about a particular world news event that way.

But not even I have time for continually listening to hours of news broadcasts every day. I found there are more important things to life, like metal detectors, for example.

Best wishes,
J_P

Hi,
yes I meant autarky, wrote as "autarchy" that means both autarky and autocracy... or maybe I wrote it wrong ???

Anyway... the meaning is like you described... and also about a self-referential set of rules that US made... and others must follow... otherwise... BOMBS! :rolleyes:
That's the "cure" for those who are out of US made rules... not that many, really many of these rules are non-sense... indeed these have lot of sense, and guaranteed peace for many and for many years.

Ok, ok... maybe I made too much humor on very serious issues here...
but I still think that we live in a world made of infomations and news today... so I can only see as strange stuff the about complete blindness of US citizens to what happens in the world today... at least that's true for big part of US population.

You're in the US... so you know better than me how things go there... then right... maybe people are too busy with work/career and rise family than watching BBC or whatever... sure, I agree with that... and happens also in other countries...

But I imagine average US citizens, following your description, as completely blind about how really things are out of USA.

Now... suppose a young man enlist for the Army... to go in Iraq/Afghanistan or other interesting hot place today... cause read national newspapers and/or watch Fox.... and similar things.

What he will discover once there ??? :lol:

"Something" will be different from local description of press...;)

Still I'm making humor on serious things... :shocked:

What I wanna say is that is so stupid for e.g. a US citizen enlist in that ignorance about world affairs... but seems still many do... expecially where there's lack of work and much recession...

Hmmm... don't seems patriotic that young american guys study situation before made similar bad move!

But, then... when they will be back from hell will they watch BBC or not ???

I think also their families must pay more attention to "other points of view" instead of thinking just at career and excursions in spare time... than after crying on a coffin.

Also cause recruiting is performed much in poor places... and related to about-ignorant guys! :cool:

I don't know of any recruiter at e.g. beverly hills... but I'm not in the US so can't say for sure.

Cause... I think also, one of the top-secrets of US news are pictures like below... death soldiers that return home in plastic bags.

I mean... if one knows and accept the risks ok... no problems.

I mean... sometimes is better less autarky and point the dish to european satellites... than watching some local news worth nothing apart local baseball scores...

Kind regards,
Max

[J_Player]

Hi,
yes I meant autarky, wrote as "autarchy" that means both autarky and autocracy... or maybe I wrote it wrong ???

Anyway... the meaning is like you described... and also about a self-referential set of rules that US made... and others must follow... otherwise... BOMBS! :rolleyes:Hi Max,
An autocracy is a form of government in which the political power is held by a single, self-appointed ruler. The USA does not have this kind of government. The most powerful ruler is the president, who is elected by a poll of the citizens. An autocracy would be more similar to a dictatorship like we find in Cuba and some other countries.
In the USA, the political power is held by many people, including the members of congress, who are elected by each of the 50 states, and by the senators who also represent each of the 50 states. The president is not free to enact any policy he wants without some form of approvals from the senators and congressmen. There are actually many other powerful political influences that determine the USA policies. While the president has the most power, he is not free to make policies as he pleases without the consent of the other political forces that surround him. So you can see the USA is not an autocracy, but it is in some ways it is an autarky, being self-sufficient for defense and in most economic scenarios.
Ok, ok... maybe I made too much humor on very serious issues here...
but I still think that we live in a world made of infomations and news today... so I can only see as strange stuff the about complete blindness of US citizens to what happens in the world today... at least that's true for big part of US population.

You're in the US... so you know better than me how things go there... then right... maybe people are too busy with work/career and rise family than watching BBC or whatever... sure, I agree with that... and happens also in other countries...

But I imagine average US citizens, following your description, as completely blind about how really things are out of USA.Yes, this is what I observed. Most Americans are blind to the opinions of world events in places outside the USA. The only see the USA news, and see no other versions, so they think they know all the facts.
Now... suppose a young man enlist for the Army... to go in Iraq/Afghanistan or other interesting hot place today... cause read national newspapers and/or watch Fox.... and similar things. ...What I wanna say is that is so stupid for e.g. a US citizen enlist in that ignorance about world affairs... but seems still many do... expecially where there's lack of work and much recession... I don't think it is stupid. These people are ignorant, not stupid. The average American does not know there is a different opinion or other news stories that he does not see. It is the same as if you were deprived of seeing all modern technology, and you only had access to old circuits from the 1950s with tubes. This would not mean you are stupid for using old technology, but only that you are ignorant of transistors and ICs that other people use who see the technology that you cannot see....I think also their families must pay more attention to "other points of view" instead of thinking just at career and excursions in spare time... than after crying on a coffin.

Also cause recruiting is performed much in poor places... and related to about-ignorant guys! :cool:

I don't know of any recruiter at e.g. beverly hills... but I'm not in the US so can't say for sure.

Cause... I think also, one of the top-secrets of US news are pictures like below... death soldiers that return home in plastic bags.

I mean... if one knows and accept the risks ok... no problems.

I mean... sometimes is better less autarky and point the dish to european satellites... than watching some local news worth nothing apart local baseball scores...You are correct, there is no military recruiter in Beverly Hills. You must travel several miles away before you find the first recruiter (see map below for military recruiters). Americans know that the purpose of war is to fight and break things. They know that people die in wars, maybe even themselves. They know these are the risks of participating in a war. What they don't know is some other points of view held by large groups of people who don't think a war is necessary. They have no reason to look for these points of view because they do not know they exist. There will not be an urgent searching for other points of view, because the average American does not know there is another point of view to look for. He only knows what he sees on his CNN and local news. He knows who are the good guys and bad guys because the news reporters from CNN tell him.

I agree, it would be good for Americans and people from other countries to see more news broadcasts that don't originate in their own country. But do you think this will begin to change in your lifetime? If you have a chance to visit the USA, make a point to notice the habits of the average American when they are watching the news. You will see it is the same as in many countries. They listen mostly to the main broadcasts that originate in their own country, and like to see the local sports news and weather forecasts. They generally believe they are hearing all the news, even if they don't know there are other versions of the news being broadcast from other places. There are a smaller percentage of USA citizens who do listen to BBC and many other foreign news broadcasts regularly. But these are a small minority from the average.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Fred]

Interesting and somewhat confusing::

Autarchism (from Greek, "belief in self rule") is a political philosophy that upholds the principle of individual liberty, rejects compulsory government, and supports the elimination of government in favor of ruling yourself and no other.


autarchy A condition of absolute power.

Autarky is the quality of being self-sufficient

[J_Player]

Interesting and somewhat confusing::

Autarchism (from Greek, "belief in self rule") is a political philosophy that upholds the principle of individual liberty, rejects compulsory government, and supports the elimination of government in favor of ruling yourself and no other.


autarchy A condition of absolute power.

Autarky is the quality of being self-sufficientYes, can be confusing.
Maybe this can help explain it:

Encyclopedia (http://www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia/) > Autarchism
The term autarchy has two different meanings. In its first definition, formulated by Aristotle (http://www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia/Aristotle), it refers either to a form of self-government, or to the absolute rule of an individual over others. The word comes from the Greek (http://www.statemaster.com/country/gr) autarkhos (απολυταρχία), "auto" meaning self and "arkhos" meaning "ruler". Aristotle (Ancient Greek: AristotélÄ“s 384 – March 7, 322 BCE) was an ancient Greek philosopher, a student of Plato and teacher of Alexander the Great. ... Self-governance is an abstract concept that refers to several scales of organization. ...

Traditionally, autarchy refers to a system of absolutism (http://www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia/Political-absolutism) (see also: autocracy (http://www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia/Autocracy), despotism (http://www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia/Despotism), dictatorship (http://www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia/Dictatorship), monocracy, tyranny (http://www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia/Tyranny)). It also implies a state enjoying absolute sovereignty (http://www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia/Sovereignty). Absolutism is a political theory which argues that one person, who is often generally a monarch, should hold all power. ... An Autocracy is a form of government in which unlimited power is held by a single individual. ... Despotism is a form of government by a single authority, either a single person (ie. ... It has been suggested that Dictator be merged into this article or section. ... A tyrant (from Greek τυραννος) is a usurper of rightful power, possessing absolute power and ruling by tyranny. ... Sovereignty is the exclusive right to exercise supreme political...

In its self-government meaning, autarchy refers to a libertarian idea, championed by Robert LeFevre (http://www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia/Robert-LeFevre), of stateless self-governance, distinct from anarchism (http://www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia/Anarchism). Robert LeFevre (1911–1986) was a libertarian businessman and radio personality.

More recently autarchy is the term that came to be used for a national economic policy that aims at achieving self-sufficiency and eliminating the need for imports (by imposing tariffs, for example). It is more often spelled autarky (http://www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia/Autarky) when referring to such a policy. The goal may be difficult to achieve, if not impossible, for a small country. Countries that take protectionist measures and try to prevent free trade are sometimes described as autarchical.
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What is interesting is that autarky is an English word that was derived from a German word, which was originally borrowed from Greek. But when you spell the word as autarchy, then we are talking about the English word that was adopted directly from Greek. And there are also variations within the English language, whereby the word autarchy is more often associated with the concept of economic self-sufficiency in the British usage than the American usage. Keeping in mind that these words were derived from Greek, we must consider that the Greek language has words to express some concepts that do not exist in the English language, so the meanings in Greek may have a slightly different quality than the English versions.

It must be hard for people who don't have English as a first language to sort out all the intricacies of words that are not often used for conversational English. Strang how an off-topic post about the Lightning Bolt can turn into an off topic post about learning language skills. :lol:

Best wishes,
J_P

[Max]

Yes, can be confusing.
Maybe this can help explain it:

Encyclopedia (http://www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia/) > Autarchism
The term autarchy has two different meanings. In its first definition, formulated by Aristotle (http://www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia/Aristotle), it refers either to a form of self-government, or to the absolute rule of an individual over others. The word comes from the Greek (http://www.statemaster.com/country/gr) autarkhos (απολυταρχία), "auto" meaning self and "arkhos" meaning "ruler". Aristotle (Ancient Greek: AristotélÄ“s 384 – March 7, 322 BCE) was an ancient Greek philosopher, a student of Plato and teacher of Alexander the Great. ... Self-governance is an abstract concept that refers to several scales of organization. ...

Traditionally, autarchy refers to a system of absolutism (http://www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia/Political-absolutism) (see also: autocracy (http://www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia/Autocracy), despotism (http://www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia/Despotism), dictatorship (http://www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia/Dictatorship), monocracy, tyranny (http://www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia/Tyranny)). It also implies a state enjoying absolute sovereignty (http://www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia/Sovereignty). Absolutism is a political theory which argues that one person, who is often generally a monarch, should hold all power. ... An Autocracy is a form of government in which unlimited power is held by a single individual. ... Despotism is a form of government by a single authority, either a single person (ie. ... It has been suggested that Dictator be merged into this article or section. ... A tyrant (from Greek τυραννος) is a usurper of rightful power, possessing absolute power and ruling by tyranny. ... Sovereignty is the exclusive right to exercise supreme political...

In its self-government meaning, autarchy refers to a libertarian idea, championed by Robert LeFevre (http://www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia/Robert-LeFevre), of stateless self-governance, distinct from anarchism (http://www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia/Anarchism). Robert LeFevre (1911–1986) was a libertarian businessman and radio personality.

More recently autarchy is the term that came to be used for a national economic policy that aims at achieving self-sufficiency and eliminating the need for imports (by imposing tariffs, for example). It is more often spelled autarky (http://www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia/Autarky) when referring to such a policy. The goal may be difficult to achieve, if not impossible, for a small country. Countries that take protectionist measures and try to prevent free trade are sometimes described as autarchical.
*********

What is interesting is that autarky is an English word that was derived from a German word, which was originally borrowed from Greek. But when you spell the word as autarchy, then we are talking about the English word that was adopted directly from Greek. And there are also variations within the English language, whereby the word autarchy is more often associated with the concept of economic self-sufficiency in the British usage than the American usage. Keeping in mind that these words were derived from Greek, we must consider that the Greek language has words to express some concepts that do not exist in the English language, so the meanings in Greek may have a slightly different quality than the English versions.

It must be hard for people who don't have English as a first language to sort out all the intricacies of words that are not often used for conversational English. Strang how an off-topic post about the Lightning Bolt can turn into an off topic post about learning language skills. :lol:

Best wishes,
J_P

Hi,
:lol:
me too think the Lightning Bolt thread is a really strange place to discuss about learning language skills!

Some concepts... are confusing...

I know that formerly USA are not an autocracy. There are elections, the president who hold big part of power has limitations, the congress members are elected etc etc etc

I know... and that's what we find e.g. in books about USA political system.

Ok, then... there's another concept of autocracy there... hidden and subtle... like exist also in other places.

I mean, I think who is the president is not so relevant issue.

And from which party he's supported ? Same stuff, change nothing.

Why I write this ?

Simple... to me president/party could play a truly different role when govern have to define e.g. taxation! (internal affairs)

In that case could be really different having Obama instead of Reagan at White House.

But what about foreign affairs ??? What about strategic role of US in the world scenario ???

Do you think Obama will be different from Bush about that ?

Hmmm...

I think not.

When US supremacy (not economic only) is the target... well... things can be really flat regarding the approach to take about foreign affairs.

You know... I think much of US economy is related to weapons productions... and US have a desperate need of oil at fair price.

These things will not change just cause there's someone instead of another on that chair.;)

Lobbies make candidates win elections, not ideas or programs.

And lobbies follow strictly the rules of above: mantain US world supremacy at any costs, including all that's needed for that.

If that means you need to invade another country from time to time... ok, fine.

Let's recruiters find new soldiers, let industries make and sell weapons and vehicles... and let oil companies get all oil needed.

The real autocracy, in my point of view about US, is that hidden way of doing that end with examples... we see on tv... like the gen. Colin Powell show at UN.

These shows are product of "realpolitik" of people like mr. Kissinger (more recent example is mr. Wolfowitz) and other smart guys there... (cause they ARE smart, no dubt).

Hidden reasons and secrets... and always very same lobbies sharing the bear! :D

US politics is (and will be) Machiavellian kind, like happens in most other countries too... but US are bigger than others and very powerful, that's only difference.

It's like with ancient Rome... different emperors (and even republic and monarchy before)... but very same strategy and objectives: world supremacy.

That's why I like US! I like people that make FACTS, not words! :rolleyes:

I'd like to visit US... could be interesting having a close view of average americans. :cool:

Kind regards,
Max

[peroon]

President in usa (and in most of other countires) is just figure and nothing else. Sometimes clown (clinton, bush sr. and bush jr.) sometimes honest and perspective man (Obama), but for sure just figure with very limited power.
Real power is placed in Coca Cola, Philip Moriss, McDonalds, Playboy (gran' gran' pa surrounded with his granddaughters), Microsoft, IBM, Dell, GMC, Ford, Hollywood, various "Trumps", various "Turners", Texaco, Schering, ICM ...... and of course most of the power is situated in good old south (for example rednecks from Dallas..). So... those are power holders, those are projectants of inner and outer politics. Those decide about our destiny.
How to fight them? Simply - do not put your hard earned money in their pockets! Piece of cake! :lol:
That's why i do applaude to China and breakthrough those made in last decade! Go for it China! I am on your side!

[peroon]

"...I'd like to visit US... could be interesting having a close view of average americans..."

Nothing strange to see, people like you and me. Ordinary people. Majority are descent and respectfull working people, with wishes and dreams like we or anybody else.
I met many americans so far. 1992/93/94 lived on Creta island nearby the main Nato base (Souda bay). Many soldiers there were from usa. Their relatives and friends oftenly visiting them. Also that part of Creta island is very popular in usa and there are numerous american touristic villages there. (I met Mickey Rourke there..!)
It is estimated that over 2 milion (!!!) tourists from usa are coming there during summer! Wow!
So...i met many of them there. I even had a few girlfriends from usa, there. Sort of summer "love". I played basketball and beach volley with them, hanged arround with them....etc...etc...
Ordinary and descent people.
Only.... american girls (younger mostly) are suffering from to many complexes.
"Am i fat...am i ugly...is this IN...is this OUT...blah ...blah..." - simillar stuff. Most of those simply can not be relaxed. Most of the time those are tenced somehow...?! In the begining it was pretty strange for me. Later i got used on that and didnt payed much attention.
So... nothing strange and alien at ordinary americans...people like we are.

[peroon]

This is my favorite place to hang! Each night for all the time i've been on Creta!!!

http://www.greek-holidays.gr/scorpios/index3.htm

Owner was some Thomas, pretty good and pleasant man. We were good friends... What a place! What a crazy nights!

I suggest to all of you to go there! June, Jully and August are best to go there!

[peroon]

...

[Max]

"...I'd like to visit US... could be interesting having a close view of average americans..."

Nothing strange to see, people like you and me. Ordinary people. Majority are descent and respectfull working people, with wishes and dreams like we or anybody else.
I met many americans so far. 1992/93/94 lived on Creta island nearby the main Nato base (Souda bay). Many soldiers there were from usa. Their relatives and friends oftenly visiting them. Also that part of Creta island is very popular in usa and there are numerous american touristic villages there. (I met Mickey Rourke there..!)
It is estimated that over 2 milion (!!!) tourists from usa are coming there during summer! Wow!
So...i met many of them there. I even had a few girlfriends from usa, there. Sort of summer "love". I played basketball and beach volley with them, hanged arround with them....etc...etc...
Ordinary and descent people.
Only.... american girls (younger mostly) are suffering from to many complexes.
"Am i fat...am i ugly...is this IN...is this OUT...blah ...blah..." - simillar stuff. Most of those simply can not be relaxed. Most of the time those are tenced somehow...?! In the begining it was pretty strange for me. Later i got used on that and didnt payed much attention.
So... nothing strange and alien at ordinary americans...people like we are.

:lol:

I met also a number of americans already... made similar experience like you... also near a NATO base... what a case! :D

Hmmm... but I meant it different...

not just a closer look to americans but average americans in their native places... you know I wanna understand this local news stuff... I wanna see them watching for baseball scores... :rolleyes:

I don't need tourists and soldiers to make new freinds... or other... I wanna stay there for a while... watching that baseball scores live! ;)

I wanna stay in their habitat...:cool:

Do you understand now what I mean?

Kind regards,
Max

[peroon]

I understand you. It is not impossible. You can get green card with not so much effort. What you need is certain occupation which is respectable there and some job. The rest is easy.

Me, on the other hand, i was "globetrotter" in the past. But i never visited usa. Nowdays i dont have such wish. More than usa i would like to visit South America; Mexico, Brasil, Argentina....etc..etc.. But i seriously doubt that i will achieve that at all. Lack of money and responsibillites are deciding factor at me. Also ages (43), i am not in ages to do wild things as i used to in the past. Most probably i will consign that pleasure to my sons, if they are up to simillar.
Regards!

[Fred]

"Am i fat...am i ugly...is this IN...is this OUT...blah ...blah..."
So you dated ulgy american girls that didn´t know when it was in or out? :shocked:
I think YOU should be complexed :lol:
Just kidding.;)

[J_Player]

Nothing strange to see, people like you and me. Ordinary people. Majority are descent and respectfull working people, with wishes and dreams like we or anybody else.
I met many americans so far. 1992/93/94 lived on Creta island nearby the main Nato base (Souda bay).American people are descendants from the same people who live in all European countries, Scandinavian, Asian, African, and everywhere else. They think the same as anyone else anywhere in the world. Only difference is the influence of the culture in the USA. When you see American girls who have many problems worrying about too fat, not right fashions, etc... these are usually upper middle class, whose parents put pressures on them to look good so they will find a rich husband to take care of them. Often these girls are not too smart, because they spend all their energy to look good for a capturing a husband, not for learning important things. We have the "bimbos" who are the worst case... usually blonde with very low IQ, but always happy and like to make parties. You hear dumb blonde jokes about these ones. But a lot of smart American girls also worry about many unimportant things like this.
Hmmm... but I meant it different...

not just a closer look to americans but average americans in their native places... you know I wanna understand this local news stuff... I wanna see them watching for baseball scores...

I don't need tourists and soldiers to make new freinds... or other... I wanna stay there for a while... watching that baseball scores live!

I wanna stay in their habitat...Hi Max,
This is a good idea. If you find a way to visit and stay with an American family for awhile, you will get a good idea of how things really are. You will see they like to watch for baseball scores, but also basketball and American-style football. These are the biggest national sports. But we also watch closely other major sports like the world football championships, and the olympics, etc. You will discover many Americans watch too much junk TV. We have cable TV with at least 50 channels in most locations. Some people have well over a hundred channels to choose from. So there is no shortage of TV programming to watch. I like the nature channels, science, documentaries, and movies for TV. But you can also find a lot of what seems like junk to me... simply comedy programs with content not as good as the quality of the 3 stooges (my opinion).
If you stay in the USA for awhile, you will also have a chance to see how the average American spends their time during a day and through the week. You will see what kind of leisure time activities they choose, etc. I think you will find it is not too much different than other places in the world that have similar degree of civilization. But you will also see there are parts in every large USA city where the customs of the old country are still kept. ie: any large city has a place called "little Italy" where a lot of Italians live and speak Italian, and seems like you are in Italy there. Same for China, Mexico, Korea, and a lot of other countries. So when you are looking to observe the average American, don't focus on these places, cause you could see these kind of places by traveling much shorter distance from where you are. :cool:

Best wishes,
J_P

[peroon]

So you dated ulgy american girls that didn´t know when it was in or out? :shocked:
I think YOU should be complexed :lol:
Just kidding.;)

Most of the time there i was under huge influence of Amstel and Heineken, so i could date an alien too! :lol::lol::lol:
American girls were my favorites cose they really have nice custom to call another "tour" again and again to poor Serbian! I was expecting certain kind of antagonism considering that am Serbian - not so popular nation in '90. On contrary! Being Serbian between young Americans there was extra cool thing! Beer from all over arround, tour by tour - they probably wanted to kill me gently...or what!? :lol::lol::lol::lol:

[peroon]

"...American people are descendants from the same people who live in all European countries, Scandinavian, Asian, African, and everywhere else. They think the same as anyone else anywhere in the world. Only difference is the influence of the culture in the USA. When you see American girls who have many problems worrying about too fat, not right fashions, etc... these are usually upper middle class, whose parents put pressures on them to look good so they will find a rich husband to take care of them. Often these girls are not too smart, because they spend all their energy to look good for a capturing a husband, not for learning important things. We have the "bimbos" who are the worst case... usually blonde with very low IQ, but always happy and like to make parties. You hear dumb blonde jokes about these ones. But a lot of smart American girls also worry about many unimportant things like this..."

As time goes by i see simillar behavior at youngsters here. New, imported way of thinking and living. Mostly thanks to damn tv! Especially MTV and simillars..
Speaking of tv's - most powerfull weapon today! No need for guns and bombs at all!

[Max]

Most of the time there i was under huge influence of Amstel and Heineken, so i could date an alien too! :lol::lol::lol:
American girls were my favorites cose they really have nice custom to call another "tour" again and again to poor Serbian! I was expecting certain kind of antagonism considering that am Serbian - not so popular nation in '90. On contrary! Being Serbian between young Americans there was extra cool thing! Beer from all over arround, tour by tour - they probably wanted to kill me gently...or what!? :lol::lol::lol::lol:

Hi,
I met a number of very nice people from USA, not only girls.

Some were really pretty and also good in conversations, with culture I mean, even if blonde.

Some just pretty and nice and not much culture, apart, like reported high attention to fashion etc.

But , generally speaking, I found all americans I met really interesting for a reason or another.

Not to talk of very smart ones... real masters in their work/job ! I had real admiration for them... all the time !

Maybe I was just lucky ??? I'm aware not all americans are that way... but I met just good, nice and interesting people from there.:D

Also... about american girls... they are open minded! They are different from some other places I stay/stayed/visited.

Beers ? Sure they like! Me too ... and that was always a plus! :lol:

Kill you gently ??? NO! They wanna have fun... and if find interesting boy all fine... nationality doesn't matter.;)

I agree with JP... must visit US: there I could see better how things are...

Kind regards,
Max

[Max]

"...American people are descendants from the same people who live in all European countries, Scandinavian, Asian, African, and everywhere else. They think the same as anyone else anywhere in the world. Only difference is the influence of the culture in the USA. When you see American girls who have many problems worrying about too fat, not right fashions, etc... these are usually upper middle class, whose parents put pressures on them to look good so they will find a rich husband to take care of them. Often these girls are not too smart, because they spend all their energy to look good for a capturing a husband, not for learning important things. We have the "bimbos" who are the worst case... usually blonde with very low IQ, but always happy and like to make parties. You hear dumb blonde jokes about these ones. But a lot of smart American girls also worry about many unimportant things like this..."

As time goes by i see simillar behavior at youngsters here. New, imported way of thinking and living. Mostly thanks to damn tv! Especially MTV and simillars..
Speaking of tv's - most powerfull weapon today! No need for guns and bombs at all!

Hmmm... just imitation. ;)

I know very well... seems it's this way... but reality is really different.

E.g. American girls (and from some other countries also) grow in a different culture , like JP explained.

It's different importing models by TV and staying immersed all the time in that different culture. Dang different things.

Very different... I can say cause made many travels and so I know these differences there are still and also huge but people like watch tv , of course, MTV for jung people even more... even if reality is light years far from US or north america in general.:D

It's also somehow comic thing... cause some stuff you see like in US... then some other things are like 50-60 years ago in their country!:lol:

Make me laugh all the time!:rolleyes:

Kind regards,
Max

[peroon]

So as i see - you are "roasted" already! :lol::lol::lol:
No help from talking to much - act! If you wish badly to go there - than go; involve all your energy to fulfill your dream. If you really want that you will succeed, sooner or later.
Once you are there you will post here your impressions. :)
Speaking of Usain Bolt; Jamaica is very nice place to visit! Ehhhh...

[Max]

So as i see - you are "roasted" already! :lol::lol::lol:
No help from talking to much - act! If you wish badly to go there - than go; involve all your energy to fulfill your dream. If you really want that you will succeed, sooner or later.
Once you are there you will post here your impressions. :)
Speaking of Usain Bolt; Jamaica is very nice place to visit! Ehhhh...

Badly ??? :rolleyes:

No... I wanna make tourist for a while... then if I like the place... who knows ?

Could also find a job and get green thing...

Hmmm... why roasted ? Neurons you mean ??? :D

Hmmm... maybe... all that dang microwaves around!

Which dream ???

American Dream ??? :rolleyes:

Hmmm... why not... is not a bad dream.

Maybe there's too much illusion about it... expecially today, but I think the principle is nice!

Of course, I'm aware that for many it's JUST a dream...:cool:

Kind regards,
Max

[peroon]

Badly ??? :rolleyes:

No... I wanna make tourist for a while... then if I like the place... who knows ?

Could also find a job and get green thing...

Hmmm... why roasted ? Neurons you mean ??? :D

Hmmm... maybe... all that dang microwaves around!

Which dream ???

American Dream ??? :rolleyes:

Hmmm... why not... is not a bad dream.

Maybe there's too much illusion about it... expecially today, but I think the principle is nice!

Of course, I'm aware that for many it's JUST a dream...:cool:

Kind regards,
Max



"..Hmmm... why not... is not a bad dream..."

Of course not, not bad at all....if you are rich man with a lot of money! :lol:

But than again; if you are rich man with a lot of money than any other place on earth is paradise too! :lol:

Just kiddn', dont take me seriously. Yes generally i agree; excellent thing in life to travel and visit new places, meet new people, learn and work on yourself. More you travel and meet other people - more rich you are.
United States of America are huge country. Rich variety of everything.
Me....if we talking about usa, i would prefer to ride whole route 66, from one to another end. What else... LA of course! Las Vegas! Atlantic City! And New York finally.... Worth to visit and see.
Max go for it! I envy you!
:)

[Max]

"..Hmmm... why not... is not a bad dream..."

Of course not, not bad at all....if you are rich man with a lot of money! :lol:

But than again; if you are rich man with a lot of money than any other place on earth is paradise too! :lol:

Just kiddn', dont take me seriously. Yes generally i agree; excellent thing in life to travel and visit new places, meet new people, learn and work on yourself. More you travel and meet other people - more rich you are.
United States of America are huge country. Rich variety of everything.
Me....if we talking about usa, i would prefer to ride whole route 66, from one to another end. What else... LA of course! Las Vegas! Atlantic City! And New York finally.... Worth to visit and see.
Max go for it! I envy you!
:)

Yes... that's the kind of things I'd like to see!

I mean... when you're in a place just for work it's too hard find time and freedom to visit all that places and make that trips coast to coast. :rolleyes:

I have to go as tourist...

At now I can't go... but next future could be really cool make that trip! :D

Kind regards,
Max

[ApBerg]

Hello Friends,

Do not understand most of this, for me al people are the same...
But as Ivica says :)

Most of the time there i was under huge influence of Amstel and Heineken

That I do know..... it's Dutch beer !!

Do not drink to much stay healthy!

Regards.
Ap

[peroon]

Now you know why we understand each other so good!
Proost! :lol:

[J_Player]

... Exactly!
Beer is the solution to world peace.
:cheers:

[Fred]

Hi Ap!
Hope everything is fine for you with lots of treasures! ;)

Regards!
Fred.

[Max]

... Exactly!
Beer is the solution to world peace.
:cheers:

Hmmmm...

seems subliminal message....or hidden reference to an event... I saw president Obama with a black man and a white officer.... and beers...

Change the world ? Hmmm...

I have dubts...:D

Kind regards,
Max

[J_Player]

Hmmmm...

seems subliminal message....or hidden reference to an event... I saw president Obama with a black man and a white officer.... and beers...

Change the world ? Hmmm...

I have dubts...:D

Kind regards,
MaxSure, change the world....
Suppose all the world leaders had a meeting in a large room where beer from all over the world was served for all to sample, along with authentic pizza. After sampling enough beers, maybe the world leaders would return home with a new idea of the meaning of life. Maybe they will abandon their ideas of making war to solve problems. Who knows?

:)
Best wishes,
J_P

[Max]

Sure, change the world....
Suppose all the world leaders had a meeting in a large room where beer from all over the world was served for all to sample, along with authentic pizza. After sampling enough beers, maybe the world leaders would return home with a new idea of the meaning of life. Maybe they will abandon their ideas of making war to solve problems. Who knows?

:)
Best wishes,
J_P

Hi,
well... I don't understand the part where people all drink beers...

Hmmmm... something wrong...

maybe all like authentic pizza... but beers ??? :lol:

I think these ones will not drink ! ;)

Don't know why...:D

Kind regards,
Max

[monay]

Minute after the race i almost died laughing cose of so idiotic and stupid appearance of Lolo Jones when interviewing Tyson G.a.y. What a stupid and limited girl she is?
Typical american girl with typical american way of thinking!? Horror! (I for sure should know that fact, i met many of them in my life so far!)
Instead asking poor Tyson about huge lost from Bolt and huge disapointment, she actually pretty thrilled told him how he won national record!!!! Tyson was confused much, perplexed and said something which he, himself couldnt even understand!?

it sure be
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[Fred]

So you finally secretly built a LRL and found "monay" right ? :razz:

[WM6]

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We have the "bimbos" who are the worst case... usually blonde with very low IQ, but always happy and like to make parties.

/quote]

any working schematic or picture of this IQ devices ?? ... how deep? .. which coil to use ???

[Max]

[quote=J_Player;95944]

We have the "bimbos" who are the worst case... usually blonde with very low IQ, but always happy and like to make parties.

/quote]

any working schematic or picture of this IQ devices ?? ... how deep? .. which coil to use ???

I have!

this one, straight inside... to prevent other future damages... :lol:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intrauterine_device :rolleyes:

then you can have fun... and avoid troubles... clones... :lol:

Kind regards,
Max