mineoro fg/90

[putrechigi]

hi at hall i back and i want to know some information ebaut this new mineoro lrl please
reguards many

[WM6]

hi at hall i back and i want to know some information ebaut this new mineoro lrl please
reguards many

This is incredibile "buy and go" system.

[Max]

hi at hall i back and i want to know some information ebaut this new mineoro lrl please
reguards many

It's C.R.A.P. like all the others !?:D

Why asking about... they works all about the same... just one time, with customer money.

Then they stop working finding treasures...:lol:

Or do you need a PALO ALTO's diagram to better understand ?;)

Kind regards,
Max

[hung]

hi at hall i back and i want to know some information ebaut this new mineoro lrl please
reguards many

Hi Putre,

The FG90 is an updated Tyon.
As I could check, it's an improvement from previous models with a more stable circuit that works ok at night also.
To me, it's the best Mineoro model so far, although there are goldhunters here I know who swear by their FG80s.
I believe now that Alonso has double duties on R&D and with the aid of fine engineers recently in charge, even better models will appear.

Best Regards.

[Alexismex]

---with the aid of fine engineers "recently" in charge, even better models will appear-----HoooooH God make me cry!!!!

[Morgan]

hi at hall i back and i want to know some information ebaut this new mineoro lrl please
reguards many
Hello

All Mineoro models i have with me not give signal near small gold medal buried 20 years ago,and i dont believe this FG90 can do better than the other models.
Today i buy video cassets to make some LRL real films,and it will be Mineoro and PD field test.
I´m waithing for Geo to visit my country and all the true about LRL will be public in this forum.
If you want,you can join us .

Regards

[Morgan]

hi at hall i back and i want to know some information ebaut this new mineoro lrl please
reguards many
Hello

All Mineoro models i have with me not give signal near small gold medal buried 20 years ago,and i dont believe this FG90 can do better than the other models.
Today i buy video cassets to make some LRL real films,and it will be Mineoro and PD field test.
I´m waithing for Geo to visit my country and all the true about LRL will be public in this forum.
If you want,you can join with us .

Regards

[peroon]

:razz::lol::D:razz::p:lol::D

http://www.geofazma-detectors.tripod.com/

:D:razz::lol::p:razz::D:lol:

[peroon]

Wow! Just surf those pages! What a professional work!
And prices!??!?!?
2500e! 4000! xxxxe!!!
Oh man, oh man!
Is this reallity or just stupid joke in a stupid dream!?
I must wake up!

Who's that on the sketch!? :razz::lol::D:p:lol::razz::D

[peroon]

SAT !?!!? 12GHz!!!!
Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!
Stop me please! Ahahhahahahahaaha!
I will die laughin' !
Ahahhahahahahahahahahahha!

" Atmosveric pressure..." !!!!! "Locator with 1.xx MHz.." !!!:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
" Freqency 1.729MHz ..." !!!!

[peroon]

"Mineoro phenomenon" is spreading arround the globe! Even people from small and tiny Macedonia realized huge potential of "Mineoro phenomenon" in conjuction with huge human stupidity and greed for fast and easy fortune!
This is so huge nonsence - i really can not imagine such idiot and imbecille who will be ready to waste such money on such rubbish! Are those kind of idiots exist? Is it possible?
I would not be suprised to hear that, actually, poor Zahori is packed in that funny, stupid and pretty ugly box and sold by those lunatic prices!?!?
Mineoro is master of garbage, but also initiator of huge herd of simillar lower or higer profille mountebanks arround the world! But this one is champion of stupidity - no competition at all! :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[peroon]

What a lunatic prices!!! What a stupid and lunatic advertisment!!!
Very cheap "Mastech" digital multimeter included in this funny and stupid enclosure!! They didnt even bothered to remove that "Mastech" label!! :lol:

Same case with all Mineoros! Guess what LCD multimeter (part) Mineoro used in their garbage products!? Ahahhahahaha!
To show and indicate what? Ahahahah! Battery voltage? Cosmic energy? SAT reception?? Spiritual energy? Ghosts presence?Ahahhahahah!


Here is the Mastech link; check out! Which model they used? I guess most cheapest they could afford! Ahahahahahah!

http://www.multimeterwarehouse.com/digitalmultimeter.htm

[Esteban]

What disorder, mister! :???: :???:

[J_Player]

hi at everybody sorry but i woeked where is not possible to have internet, today a back at my house and i ride the discussion, if geo and morgan is right i can go at morgan house for pd test and for meet my friends
reguards manolo

Originally posted by Geo
Hi Manolo.
I wait you. I am very glad if any other member will come with me.

Originally posted by Morgan
All Mineoro models i have with me not give signal near small gold medal buried 20 years ago,and i dont believe this FG90 can do better than the other models.
Today i buy video cassets to make some LRL real films,and it will be Mineoro and PD field test.
I´m waithing for Geo to visit my country and all the true about LRL will be public in this forum.
If you want,you can join us .
Hi Morgan,
I will be watching this event closely to see what they report. I will also wait for the videos to show the different LRLs comparison. It will be interesting to see the technique used for searching with the different LRLs. This will be the first time I have ever heard of a LRL demonstration being held live in front of people I know from this forum. :super:

Is there any date set for when Geo and Putrechigi will visit to see the LRLs working?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Qiaozhi]

"Mineoro phenomenon" is spreading arround the globe! Even people from small and tiny Macedonia realized huge potential of "Mineoro phenomenon" in conjuction with huge human stupidity and greed for fast and easy fortune!
This is so huge nonsence - i really can not imagine such idiot and imbecille who will be ready to waste such money on such rubbish! Are those kind of idiots exist? Is it possible?
I would not be suprised to hear that, actually, poor Zahori is packed in that funny, stupid and pretty ugly box and sold by those lunatic prices!?!?
Mineoro is master of garbage, but also initiator of huge herd of simillar lower or higer profille mountebanks arround the world! But this one is champion of stupidity - no competition at all! :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
Unfortunately they do exist!
As they say - "A fool and his money are soon parted". :lol:

[Max]

Unfortunately they do exist!
As they say - "A fool and his money are soon parted". :lol:

Unfortunately ?

Hmmmm... I think LRLs "manifacturers" are pretty happy they exist! ;)

Kind regards,
Max

[Qiaozhi]

Unfortunately ?

Hmmmm... I think LRLs "manifacturers" are pretty happy they exist! ;)

Kind regards,
Max
Luvley gubbley!

[Max]

Luvley gubbley!

strip poker porker ? :rolleyes:

[putrechigi]

Hi Morgan,
I will be watching this event closely to see what they report. I will also wait for the videos to show the different LRLs comparison. It will be interesting to see the technique used for searching with the different LRLs. This will be the first time I have ever heard of a LRL demonstration being held live in front of people I know from this forum. :super:

Is there any date set for when Geo and Putrechigi will visit to see the LRLs working?

Best wishes,
J_P
at this time i haven't problem and i will go 28 agust with geo

[Morgan]

at this time i haven't problem and i will go 28 agust with geo
Hello

I will be happy to see you and Geo or other forum members(28 August) who are interested to study the Phenomenon and the LRL who can catch the Phenomenon.
I give the WARANTY the Pistoldetektor is a true LRL who can detect precious metal and treasures.

Regards

[WM6]

Pistoldetektor is a true LRL who can detect precious metal and treasures.

Regards

If this the case, you would not sell it. You selling it because thing is a crap. Even precious metal and treasures hidden by you on your territory are difficult to find to you by such things.

[Morgan]

If this the case, you would not sell it. You selling it because thing is a crap. Even precious metal and treasures hidden by you on your territory are difficult to find to you by such things.
Who told you i want to sell the Pistoldetektor ???
You are confused,this is a LRL demonstration.You not understand nothing about this.

Think before tell nonsense.

[WM6]

Who's that on the sketch!? :razz::lol::D:p:lol::razz::D

Clint Eastwood Junior, how not to recognize him, Ivconic?

[WM6]

.You not understand nothing about this.

.

In case of fraudulence it is nothing to understand. It is about an intentional deception made for personal gain, nothing else.

[J_Player]

n case of fraudulence it is nothing to understand. It is about an intentional deception made for personal gain, nothing else. told you i want to sell the Pistoldetektor ???

Originally posted by Morgan
You are confused,this is a LRL demonstration.You not understand nothing about this.

Think before tell nonsense.Hi Morgan,
There is no need to worry about people who make ignorant nonsense posts. We all know you will be demonstrating many LRLs for all the forum members who want to see. This is a chance for anyone to see your LRLs working in fornt of their eyes, so they can test and check for themselves if they work or not. Believers and skeptics all can see. They only need to go and watch on August 28 where you will show the pistoldetectors and Mineoros and other LRLs search for buried metal. As far as I know, you are the first person on earth to hold a public demonstration of LRLs working for the members of the forum to see and believe or not believe. This will be the biggest event in the history of the Remote Sensing forum! :super:

If I could come to see, then I would come too and make many photos and videos. But it will be good enough to see the reports from Geo and Putrechigi, and any others who watch.

Best wishes,
J_P

[putrechigi]

Who told you i want to sell the Pistoldetektor ???
You are confused,this is a LRL demonstration.You not understand nothing about this.

Think before tell nonsense.

quote

[putrechigi]

Hi Putre,

The FG90 is an updated Tyon.
As I could check, it's an improvement from previous models with a more stable circuit that works ok at night also.
To me, it's the best Mineoro model so far, although there are goldhunters here I know who swear by their FG80s.
I believe now that Alonso has double duties on R&D and with the aid of fine engineers recently in charge, even better models will appear.

Best Regards.

thanks my friend for the info but you have see this model at work? or speak with alonso family?
reguards

[Fred]

In case of fraudulence it is nothing to understand. It is about an intentional deception made for personal gain, nothing else.
You are being ridiculous.Please let others do what they want, no one want to sell you anything so don´t interfere.
And i hope Morgan and Geo and Putre will make good videos to show people how it works, letting no place for doubts :It is dificult.
3 persons with good cameras , we surely will see cool videos :).
Hope real THunting will be possible too, on real terrain.

[Geo]

Hi Morgan,
I will be watching this event closely to see what they report. I will also wait for the videos to show the different LRLs comparison. It will be interesting to see the technique used for searching with the different LRLs. This will be the first time I have ever heard of a LRL demonstration being held live in front of people I know from this forum. :super:

Is there any date set for when Geo and Putrechigi will visit to see the LRLs working?

Best wishes,
J_P

Hi.
I will arrive at Portugal at 13:30 topic time. I don't know if i will see Morgan at same date. I will stay to Portugal until 1 September, and after i will visit Belgium for 2 Days. I will try to see everything about the working principle of PD. I spoke with Morgan twice, so he wait me for the demonstration. More ... when i will come back :):)

Regards:)

[ivconic]

Geo καλό ταξίδι!
Looking forward to hear your impressions!
Regards!

[WM6]

3 persons with good cameras , we surely will see cool videos :).
Hope real THunting will be possible too, on real terrain.

What evidence of videos? Are you watching David Copperfield on videos? What evidence of "magic" where the same person hide some gold or silver and the same after "find" this gold, what can one video say about this "magic"? Nothing.

Real terrain? On real terrain it is only very expensive crap. No test needed. But if one wish, test and buy and be happy.

And yes, I can repeat, sellers of such craps are engaged in an intentional deception made for personal gain.

[J_Player]

What evidence of videos? Are you watching David Copperfield on videos? What evidence of "magic" where the same person hide some gold or silver and the same after "find" this gold, what can one video say about this "magic"? Nothing.

Real terrain? On real terrain it is only very expensive crap. No test needed. But if one wish, test and buy and be happy.

And yes, I can repeat, sellers of such craps are engaged in an intentional deception made for personal gain.Hi WM6,
This demonstration is open to people from the Remote Sensing forum to go and see LRLs working live with their own eyes. You do not need to rely on a video unless you decide not to go and see the LRLs working. There is nobody selling any LRLs. The LRLs belong to Morgan, which he bought or built for his own personal use. He will not be selling any of them. He is demonstrating them only so people can see them working and test them for themselves.

You continue to make posts condemning Morgan for selling crap, yet he has nothing to be sold. After seeing your continued posts, I have concluded these posts are not only ignorant, but were written by a person who is not capable of understanding what he is reading. Some people may speculate that your posts were written by a person with limited brain function, or perhaps intoxicated by alcohol or other drugs.

In any case, it would be nice if you stop clogging up the forum with non-relevant posts aimed at LRL salesmen. There are no LRL salesmen among Morgan, Geo or Putrechigi. Save your wrath for some other thread where someone is actually trying to make a profit on LRL sales.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Morgan]

Hi Morgan,
There is no need to worry about people who make ignorant nonsense posts. We all know you will be demonstrating many LRLs for all the forum members who want to see. This is a chance for anyone to see your LRLs working in fornt of their eyes, so they can test and check for themselves if they work or not. Believers and skeptics all can see. They only need to go and watch on August 28 where you will show the pistoldetectors and Mineoros and other LRLs search for buried metal. As far as I know, you are the first person on earth to hold a public demonstration of LRLs working for the members of the forum to see and believe or not believe. This will be the biggest event in the history of the Remote Sensing forum! :super:

If I could come to see, then I would come too and make many photos and videos. But it will be good enough to see the reports from Geo and Putrechigi, and any others who watch.

Best wishes,
J_P
Hello

thanks for the suport.
As i understand,our friend Esteban also open this LRL´s demonstrations to the forum members,he is from Paraguay,maybe is more easy for you to travel there and see his LRL demonstrations.

Regards

[Morgan]

Hi.
I will arrive at Portugal at 13:30 topic time. I don't know if i will see Morgan at same date. I will stay to Portugal until 1 September, and after i will visit Belgium for 2 Days. I will try to see everything about the working principle of PD. I spoke with Morgan twice, so he wait me for the demonstration. More ... when i will come back :):)

Regards:)
Hello Geo

If you need some help when arrive to the airport or any kind of informations,just ask,my city is near .
Very soon you will see one real LRL .
I apreciate your intention to travel and to see the Pistoldetektor working,this means you believe in me and Esteban,let the skeptics talking B.S. and nonsense,they are monkeys ,but we are learnig about one real Phenomenon.See you soon


Regards

[Morgan]

What evidence of videos? Are you watching David Copperfield on videos? What evidence of "magic" where the same person hide some gold or silver and the same after "find" this gold, what can one video say about this "magic"? Nothing.

Real terrain? On real terrain it is only very expensive crap. No test needed. But if one wish, test and buy and be happy.

And yes, I can repeat, sellers of such craps are engaged in an intentional deception made for personal gain.
What personal gain???

1-I have nothing to sell.

2-I have one LRL device who not belong to me,this one will be in field demonstrations for the closed forum members,also not for sell,its to study(some members as the schematic of this device,not you).

3-Your idiot threads its becouse you dont read the previous information we put in this forum,hope you open your eyes and close the mouth.
When Geo and Manolo return,you can see their coments about the LRL and put here your opinions...

[WM6]

Who named this crap Mineoro FG/90? Nobody?
OK, then I posted based on anyone.

Otherwise, my posts aimed producer, seller and promoter of Mineoro FG/90.
I did not mention the others, and there is no reason to feel concerned.

[Geo]

Geo καλό ταξίδι!
Looking forward to hear your impressions!
Regards!


Thank you

Ευχαριστω φιλε...:)

[epitopios]

Hi.
I will arrive at Portugal at 13:30 topic time. I don't know if i will see Morgan at same date. I will stay to Portugal until 1 September, and after i will visit Belgium for 2 Days. I will try to see everything about the working principle of PD. I spoke with Morgan twice, so he wait me for the demonstration. More ... when i will come back :):)

Regards:)
Beyond all that , have a pleasant time with good food and fine win , dont forget :nono:you are a Greek one , we must not forget our treditions eeee :cheers:
and to come back more sophisticate :nerd:
friendly epitopios

[ivconic]

Beyond all that , have a pleasant time with good food and fine win , dont forget :nono:you are a Greek one , we must not forget our treditions eeee :cheers:
and to come back more sophisticate :nerd:
friendly epitopios

Oh yeah!? Relating good food, wine and.....women - than i am the greatest Greek in history!!! :razz::lol::lol:

Είμαι μεγάλος ελληνικός εμπρός ιστορία!!!

Kάλλιστα χαιρετισμοί!!! :)

[hung]

thanks my friend for the info but you have see this model at work?

Yes.
That's why I'm positive about what I already said.
Also, recently a treasure has been located with it.

[Fred]

Who named this crap Mineoro FG/90? Nobody?
OK, then I posted based on anyone.

Otherwise, my posts aimed producer, seller and promoter of Mineoro FG/90.
I did not mention the others, and there is no reason to feel concerned.
JP was right, you can´t read : Morgan i not going to test the Mineoro, but his own Pistol detector.
And as he is not selling it, nor Geo, we can thrust their videos to be real - besides the fact not everyone is a stupid liar just to fool others.

[J_Player]

JP was right, you can´t read : Morgan i not going to test the Mineoro, but his own Pistol detector.
And as he is not selling it, nor Geo, we can thrust their videos to be real - besides the fact not everyone is a stupid liar just to fool others.Hi Fred,
Actually Morgan will be demonstrating some Mineoro models. His main emphasis is to show the Pistol Detector built by Alonso working. But he indicated he will also be showing several other LRLs working to compare how they perform with the PD. Some of these other LRLs were built by Morgan or other experimenters, and others were built by factories like Mineoro. Morgan says he has not seen good performance from the Mineoros. But this will be a chance for Geo and Putrechigi to also test and see if they find the same as what Morgan found.

I don't think any of Dr. hung's attempts to coach Morgan on how he must conduct his tests of the Mineoros will work. Morgan already knows that most forum readers believe Dr. hung produced fake test videos, and Morgan does not want his test demonstrations to be associated with anything fake. So we can be assured that Morgan's demonstration will not be tainted by the control of Dr. hung's propaganda and testing techniques.

Now we come near the date when Morgan will show in a real live LRL demonstration for all who want to see. Never before has anyone agreed to demonstrate LRLs working in a live demonstration in front of any forum members who want to watch. This is the chance for any skeptics who want to see with their own eyes if these LRLs work or not. Just go and see Morgans demonstration. :cool:

Best wishes,
J_P

[detectoman]

then the sceptics should say what geo and putri are lrlsts, and then these tries aren,t true, so go should came max personally whit morgan and take all and he the videos, then the largest discussion finally succes for ever
dman

[detectoman]

deberia ir un esceptico de peya y recalcitrante, a mirar las pruebas junto con geo y putry, alguien como max o jlp, o robert, para que en verdad se convenzan ya que empiezo a creer que los incredulos no van a aceptar que la prueba y videos hayan sido hechos solo entre creyentes de los lrl, y todavia no creo que quieran aceptar, es como convencer a un ateo, que van a decir? que plantaron los objetivos, y alguna cosa sacaran, entonces que max lleve a los amigos a su pais y que le saquen algunas pulgas propias para que quede convencido, asi es esto, no estoy muy seguro del exito pero esperemos y me gustaria ver que ya los escepticos paran de rellenar geotech
jajaj un abrazo amigos

[Max]

then the sceptics should say what geo and putri are lrlsts, and then these tries aren,t true, so go should came max personally whit morgan and take all and he the videos, then the largest discussion finally succes for ever
dman

Unfortunately, not possible.

Kind regards,
Max

[Geo]

Any better translation please????

Sorry Detectoman..

[epitopios]

Είμαι μεγάλος ελληνικός εμπρός ιστορία!!!

Kάλλιστα χαιρετισμοί!!! :)
with out misunderstanding Dear Ivcovic , can you write it please in English or even in Serbian ?? :cheers::super:
friendly epitopios

[Geo]

with out misunderstanding Dear Ivcovic , can you write it please in English or even in Serbian ?? :cheers::super:
friendly epitopios


Ivica translate in Greeke the "than i am the greatest Greek in history". He knows good Greek because he was some years at Crete..
Γεια σου Πανο.
Γειασου και σενα Ιβιτσα. Πριν μερικες μερες σε πηρα τηλεφωνο αλλα υπηρχε προβλημα.

Regards:)

[epitopios]

Ja sam najveći grčki u istoriji previÅ¡e , prijatelju my friend
izvinjenje za posmatranje :notalk:
friendly epitopios

[Fred]

He knows good Greek because he was some years at Crete..
And epitopios doesn´t understand good greek?

[Geo]

And epitopios doesn´t understand good greek?


Hahahaha secret talents:lol::lol:
Ivica speeks Greek and Epitopios speak Servian.
So Epitopios.... a Servian song..
O tislasi epaneta......
"You leave, so what....."
Εφυγες ε και.... στα τετοια.........μας:lol::lol:

Best regards :)

[detectoman]

hurra max yes understand my bad english
geo i say max should came whit morgan for tries, for all they the esceptics see not trik, or think geo and morgan and putry are lyers and video false
morgan is true not lie

[Geo]

Hi Detectoman. I am sure that if Max will see a video from me where the PD works, he will believe it.
Don't forget that Max constructed the PD, but without good results as me and some others. Morgan called all the RSP members for a demonstration. So, all in the RSP will believe the videos (if PD work :lol:).

Regards:)

[J_Player]

Hi Detectoman. I am sure that if Max will see a video from me where the PD works, he will believe it.
Don't forget that Max constructed the PD, but without good results as me and some others. Morgan called all the RSP members for a demonstration. So, all in the RSP will believe the videos (if PD work :lol:).

Regards:)Hi Geo,
I will also be watching the videos you make, and that Morgan makes. I will be watching closely to see if the LRLs make beeps when pointing in the direction of the targets, and don't make beeps when they are pointing away from the targets. I will also be watching to see how far away from the targets these LRLs begin to make beeps. Maybe it is a good idea to put a paper marker at the location of the target so we can see how far the LRL is sensing. It will also be good to see a video when turning on the power and tuning each LRL for correct sensitivity before beginning each search. This will help to understand the correct method to adjust each of the LRLs.

Finally we will see a demonstration to see which LRLs work and don't work. Maybe this will show new information to change the thinking of some people, or maybe not. But these will certainly be the most watched videos ever shown in the Remote Sensing forum.

Thank you to Morgan for taking your time to hold this demonstration to show your LRLs working in front of forum members who can see and use these LRLs with their own eyes and with their own hands. And thank you to Geo and Putrechigi for going to this demonstration to report the facts of what you see. :)

Best wishes,
J_P

[epitopios]

Hahahaha secret talents:lol::lol:
Ivica speeks Greek and Epitopios speak Servian.
So Epitopios.... a Servian song..
O tislasi epaneta......
"You leave, so what....."
Εφυγες ε και.... στα τετοια.........μας:lol::lol:

Best regards :)

Για κάντο πιό λιανά βρε Γιώργο ,να σε καταλάβω ?????
ξέρεις και εσύ απ αυτά ??
Τι εννοεί το τραγούδι ?:???:
friendly epitopios

[Geo]

Για κάντο πιό λιανά βρε Γιώργο ,να σε καταλάβω ?????
ξέρεις και εσύ απ αυτά ??
Τι εννοεί το τραγούδι ?:???:
friendly epitopios

Το φραφω απο κατω.
"Εφυγες, ε και......"πως λεμε να και εαν εφυγες να και........:lol::lol:

Φιλικα:)

[WM6]

deberia ir un esceptico de peya y recalcitrante, a mirar las pruebas junto con geo y putry, alguien como max o jlp, o robert, para que en verdad se convenzan ya que empiezo a creer que los incredulos no van a aceptar que la prueba y videos hayan sido hechos solo entre creyentes de los lrl, y todavia no creo que quieran aceptar, es como convencer a un ateo, que van a decir? que plantaron los objetivos, y alguna cosa sacaran, entonces que max lleve a los amigos a su pais y que le saquen algunas pulgas propias para que quede convencido, asi es esto, no estoy muy seguro del exito pero esperemos y me gustaria ver que ya los escepticos paran de rellenar geotech
jajaj un abrazo amigos

Sorry friend, Just skeptics can carried out such test objectively. Not LRL belivers, nor LRL producers, sellers or promoters.

And testers cannot be any skeptics, but skeptics who are proficient in all "tips & tricks" which can manipulate the test to be positive.

The fundamental error in this case is that they have not been tested on neutral ground but on the ground that it is exclusively controlled by LRL belivers and promoters.

When such error succeed, further errors no longer needed.

So, good success!

[WM6]

I will also be watching the videos you make, and that Morgan makes. I will be watching closely to see if the LRLs make beeps when pointing in the direction of the targets, and don't make beeps when they are pointing away from the targets.

J_P

In whose hands? These beeps can be easily simulated (e.g. by external capacitive or inductive effects on the circuit in the pistol - think about proximity sensors - here "proximity finger" to antena or other parts of pistol, even by hidden remote transmitter in case of putting pistol in neutral hands). Plenty of opportunities for "LRL David Copperfields" tip and tricks.

When all the options for carrying out the "tips and tricks" are not excluded in advance, the test is without force.

To exclude all manipulation with test results in advance you have to be an very experienced skeptic in such field, not only naive skeptic (or scientist).

[ivconic]

Για κάντο πιό λιανά βρε Γιώργο ,να σε καταλάβω ?????
ξέρεις και εσύ απ αυτά ??
Τι εννοεί το τραγούδι ?:???:
friendly epitopios

Ok..i am rusty a bit. Last time i spoke Greek was in 1994. Long time ago. Most probably i made to much gramatical and logical mistakes!

Serbian τραγούδι (song) goes like:

" Otisla si e pa neka..."
" You left...so let it be..."

What about that Greek song:

"...περιμένω επιμένω.... στην καρδιά μου εσύ... ζωή μου εσύ.."

Usually i dont listen new folk music (not serbian, neither the greek, neither any other) but i remembered that song pretty good cose it was so oftenly played everywhere in summer 1993. !!! Even sparrows on the tree learned it good!!! :razz::lol:


:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[epitopios]

dear Ivcovic
for me , i prefer Marcovic than Bregovic , i have many of them :cheers:
what about my serbians ? are they correct? :lol: :???:
friendly epitopios

[epitopios]

What about that Greek song:

"...περιμένω επιμένω.... στην καρδιά μου εσύ... ζωή μου εσύ.."

! :razz::lol:
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

you better ask Geo , he knows better :D:D:D:D:D
friendly epitopios

[ivconic]

dear Ivcovic
for me , i prefer Marcovic than Bregovic , i have many of them :cheers:
what about my serbians ? are they correct? :lol: :???:
friendly epitopios

Yes useable. You can manage. I guess your Serbian is better than my Greek, cose i forgot a lot since 1994.

[J_Player]

In whose hands? These beeps can be easily simulated (e.g. by external capacitive or inductive effects on the circuit in the pistol - think about proximity sensors - here "proximity finger" to antena or other parts of pistol, even by hidden remote transmitter in case of putting pistol in neutral hands). Plenty of opportunities for "LRL David Copperfields" tip and tricks.

When all the options for carrying out the "tips and tricks" are not excluded in advance, the test is without force.

To exclude all manipulation with test results in advance you have to be an very experienced skeptic in such field, not only naive skeptic (or scientist).These beeps can be easily simulated (e.g. by external capacitive or inductive effects on the circuit in the pistol?
How do you know this?
Are you familiar with the circuit inside the pistol?
Do you have any clue what this pistol responds to?

I am familiar with the circuitry inside the pistol that Morgan will be demonstrating. My opinion is you are speaking from ignorance, and making judgments about events that have not occurred yet. Apparently you have already decided the demonstration to be held is tainted, before seeing any of the details of the demonstration. Isn't this what constitutes prejudice? In this forum, we are trying to learn the facts about the performance of LRLs, not some prejudiced person's doctrines that it can't work because he says so, regardless of what may be seen in a coming demonstration.

If you are certain the demonstration to be performed will be tainted, then why not attend the demonstration and make your own videos to show us where the tricks and deceit lies in these demonstrations? Or are you able to do that without seeing the demonstration before it happens?

I am not a confirmed believer in the performance of LRLs, but my opinion is that what you have posted in this thread is BS.
It was BS when you posted to suggest this demonstration was for the purpose of selling LRLs.
It was BS when you pretended you were not referring to Morgan, Geo, or Putrechigi when you claimed their motive was to sell LRLs.
And it is BS to presume the demonstration is tainted before even seeing it.
My challenge to you is to go to the demonstration and take videos to prove what you claim is true. Show us the tricks to prove these LRLs are being manipulated to make false beeps to find a target.

I do not believe Morgan, Geo, and Putrechigi would all conspire to lie about what they observe in the performance of these LRLs. But it is easy for me to believe you will post any BS you find necessary to support your dream that nobody will ever be permitted to hold a demonstration of the performance of LRLs open to all forum members who want to watch and try these LRLs with their own hands.

Best wishes,
J_P

[WM6]

My challenge to you is to go to the demonstration and take videos to prove what you claim is true.

J_P

There is no problem, come to my testing field and demonstrate how your LRLs working.

On on testing fields of LRL believers, promoters, sellers and producers all LRLs are working, and all this crap surprisingly stop working on buyers test fields.

Making judgments is your business not mine, like: for you obviously video argue by self and this is truly BS in advance.

[J_Player]

There is no problem, come to my testing field and demonstrate how your LRLs working.

On on testing fields of LRL believers, promoters, sellers and producers all LRLs are working, and all this crap surprisingly stop working on buyers test fields.

Making judgments is your business not mine, like: for you obviously video argue by self and this is truly BS in advance.Hi WM6,
Again, you have obviously not read what others are writing in this forum. I am not an LRL believer, and I do not have any LRLs to demonstrate working. Therefore it is impossible for me to bring these non-existent LRLs to your testing field to demonstrate.

You also claim I am in the business of judgments, when my role is an observer, not a person who pre-judges the outcome of demonstrations that have not taken place yet. If you actually read what is written, you will see that you are the person who has written the LRLs Morgan will demonstrate are crap, without knowing what kind of circuitry they use, or how they will perform, or even what kind of demonstration will occur.

If you read what Morgan wrote, you will know he is holding a demonstration for members of the forum in Portugal, not at your testing field. If you are able to substantiate your claims of tricks used to manipulate the working of these LRLs, then go to the demonstration and prove it. Until you can do that, I have no reason to believe you know anything about observations that will be reported in the future, especially when you don't even bother to read the forum posts before making prejudiced statements.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Geo]

In whose hands? These beeps can be easily simulated (e.g. by external capacitive or inductive effects on the circuit in the pistol - think about proximity sensors - here "proximity finger" to antena or other parts of pistol, even by hidden remote transmitter in case of putting pistol in neutral hands). Plenty of opportunities for "LRL David Copperfields" tip and tricks.



Yes, the beeps can be simulated !!!!! What does it tell???? at our days, everything can be simulated. So what?????
I don't sell detectors or LRLs. I was in the RSP forun where we tried to construct this Pistol without results. I was one of the first in the forum who i said that the Morgan Pistol don't work. I believe that i made BIG Mistake.
I spent much money to go to Portugal to see the Demostration ofPistol by Morgan. I want to see it and to take at my hands and to work with it. Only this...... or
I go to the Portugal for myself, NOT for the others.
I will try to take some photos and videos, first for me and second for the members of the forum that they want to see it. If you will don't believe at LRLs, you can do it. But you can't:nono: to tell from now (before we will go to Portugal) that the video maybe be FRAUD, that we will simulate it!!!!!

Regards

[Fred]

I think it has been proven that WM6 is just provoking people here and don´t even take the time to read answers, the best would be to just ignore his posts.

[Esteban]

VM6

If we are in epoch of Inquisition, you'll be an inquisitor. When Peter Heinlein invent the pocket clock in the XVI century, was persecuted, prisioned and later refuged in monastery for to continue improving his invention.

[Qiaozhi]

I think it has been proven that WM6 is just provoking people here and don´t even take the time to read answers, the best would be to just ignore his posts.
If you go to your "User CP" (User Control Panel) you can set up an "ignore list". Then you never get to see posts from anyone you don't like. :cool:

[Max]

VM6

If we are in epoch of Inquisition, you'll be an inquisitor. When Peter Heinlein invent the pocket clock in the XVI century, was persecuted, prisioned and later refuged in monastery for to continue improving his invention.

Hi,
so we can burn LRL inventors too... there's something unexplainable in LRL behaviour.

KInd regards,
Max

[WM6]

VM6

If we are in epoch of Inquisition, you'll be an inquisitor. When Peter Heinlein invent the pocket clock in the XVI century, was persecuted, prisioned and later refuged in monastery for to continue improving his invention.

Dear friend, don't worry about inquisition, with right LRL in your hands all inquisitors can be momently frozen or fried (depending on moving pistol button).

[WM6]

I go to the Portugal for myself, NOT for the others.
But you can't:nono: to tell from now (before we will go to Portugal) that the video maybe be FRAUD, that we will simulate it!!!!!

Regards

All is OK Geo, I just practice my bad English with native speaking friends. And, as you can see, English can be very very bad language. Good journey and happy testing for you and your friends.

[sweatofglory]

BAD ENGLISH = OK

BAD COMPREHENSION = ME

TO GEO AND COMPANY, GOOD LUCK & MORE POWER!:cheers:

[Fred]

If you go to your "User CP" (User Control Panel) you can set up an "ignore list". Then you never get to see posts from anyone you don't like. :cool:
I wonder why there is a jump between post #70 and #73 ? :razz:

[connie]

deberia ir un esceptico de peya y recalcitrante, a mirar las pruebas junto con geo y putry, alguien como max o jlp, o robert, para que en verdad se convenzan ya que empiezo a creer que los incredulos no van a aceptar que la prueba y videos hayan sido hechos solo entre creyentes de los lrl, y todavia no creo que quieran aceptar, es como convencer a un ateo, que van a decir? que plantaron los objetivos, y alguna cosa sacaran, entonces que max lleve a los amigos a su pais y que le saquen algunas pulgas propias para que quede convencido, asi es esto, no estoy muy seguro del exito pero esperemos y me gustaria ver que ya los escepticos paran de rellenar geotech
jajaj un abrazo amigos

HOLA DETECTOMAN;

SOY NUEVA EN EL FORO, ME ENCANTARIA VER LA DEMOSTRACION EN VIDEO DE LA QUE TANTO HAN DISCUTIDO, PARA CUANDO ESTARA LISTA EN EL FORO??? NO ME LA QUIERO PERDER. YO TENGO ALGUNOS DE LOS DETECTORES A LOS QUE LES LLAMAN BASURA Y ESAS COSAS, OJALA PUEDAN DEMOSTRAR QUE SI FUNCIONAN, PERO EN CAMPO REAL.

SALUDOS,


CONNIE

[sweatofglory]

I wonder why there is a jump between post #70 and #73 ? :razz:


It is because #37 este #73 is my favorite #...now you know!:lol::lol::lol:

[Geo]

All is OK Geo, I just practice my bad English with native speaking friends. And, as you can see, English can be very very bad language. Good journey and happy testing for you and your friends.


Thank you

Regards:)

[Geo]

BAD ENGLISH = OK

BAD COMPREHENSION = ME

TO GEO AND COMPANY, GOOD LUCK & MORE POWER!:cheers:

For your wishes to me, Thank you.
But i am not company, the same putrechigi and Morgan

Regards

[J_Player]

HOLA DETECTOMAN;

SOY NUEVA EN EL FORO, ME ENCANTARIA VER LA DEMOSTRACION EN VIDEO DE LA QUE TANTO HAN DISCUTIDO, PARA CUANDO ESTARA LISTA EN EL FORO??? NO ME LA QUIERO PERDER. YO TENGO ALGUNOS DE LOS DETECTORES A LOS QUE LES LLAMAN BASURA Y ESAS COSAS, OJALA PUEDAN DEMOSTRAR QUE SI FUNCIONAN, PERO EN CAMPO REAL.

SALUDOS,

CONNIELa demostración de LRLs se celebrará el 28 de agosto en Portugal cerca de la casa de Morgan para mostrar varios detectores LRL realmente en funcionamiento, y para la gente a utilizar estos LRLs con sus propias manos en campo real. Todos los miembros del Foro están invitados a ver por sÃ* mismos si estas funciones LRLs o no, y poner a prueba estas LRLs. Geo, Putrechigi. y Morgan se toma fotos y videos de las pruebas para ver tambien todos los demás miembros del foro.

En este foro, se habla Inglés. Se puede utilizar otro idioma si también escribir en Inglés para los demás entiendan.
~~~~~~~~~~~~
The demonstration of LRLs will be held on August 28 in Portugal near Morgan's home to show several LRL detectors actually working, and for people to use these LRLs with their own hands in the field. All of the forum members are invited to see for themselves if these LRLs work or not, by testing them. Geo, Putrechigi. and Morgan will be making photos and videos of the testing so all the other members of the forum can see too.

In this forum, we speak English. It is ok to use another language if you also type in English so others will understand.

Best wishes,
J_P

[sweatofglory]

I wonder why there is a jump between post #70 and #73 ? :razz:
=74??????:shocked:

[Fred]

:???:

[Qiaozhi]

=74??????:shocked:
Lost the plot? :rolleyes:

[Max]

Lost the plot? :rolleyes:

:lol:

Maybe they mean 69... :rolleyes:

Or I understud it wrong ??? :D

You know... I think they're talking about some "hot" disposition....:eek:

Kind regards,
Max

[sweatofglory]

:lol:

Maybe they mean 69... :rolleyes:

Or I understud it wrong ??? :D

You know... I think they're talking about some "hot" disposition....:eek:

Kind regards,
Max

haha...post #69? yes max. you got it right! i like your style....;)

[Qiaozhi]

I wonder why there is a jump between post #70 and #73 ? :razz:
I completely understood what Fred was saying in the above post ... but I think most of you have lost the plot.

Read post 69 (seems that Max also figured it out) and then note which posts are between 70 and 73.

You'll get there eventually... :rolleyes:

[connie]

La demostración de LRLs se celebrará el 28 de agosto en Portugal cerca de la casa de Morgan para mostrar varios detectores LRL realmente en funcionamiento, y para la gente a utilizar estos LRLs con sus propias manos en campo real. Todos los miembros del Foro están invitados a ver por sÃ* mismos si estas funciones LRLs o no, y poner a prueba estas LRLs. Geo, Putrechigi. y Morgan se toma fotos y videos de las pruebas para ver tambien todos los demás miembros del foro.

En este foro, se habla Inglés. Se puede utilizar otro idioma si también escribir en Inglés para los demás entiendan.
~~~~~~~~~~~~
The demonstration of LRLs will be held on August 28 in Portugal near Morgan's home to show several LRL detectors actually working, and for people to use these LRLs with their own hands in the field. All of the forum members are invited to see for themselves if these LRLs work or not, by testing them. Geo, Putrechigi. and Morgan will be making photos and videos of the testing so all the other members of the forum can see too.

In this forum, we speak English. It is ok to use another language if you also type in English so others will understand.

Best wishes,
J_P


Thanks a lot JP, for your commets, I wil write it in english from now on.
When will the videos be on the forum, so we can all see them????? the reason why I'm so interrested to see them is because I bought a DC2008 from mineoro. ( I really had a brain wash from Brazil )
and now, the only thing left to do is really get to understand it.
Hopefully the demostration can show us all, the good they work or if i'ts just "garbage".

Best wishes and good luck to all

Connie:)

[Max]

Thanks a lot JP, for your commets, I wil write it in english from now on.
When will the videos be on the forum, so we can all see them????? the reason why I'm so interrested to see them is because I bought a DC2008 from mineoro. ( I really had a brain wash from Brazil )
and now, the only thing left to do is really get to understand it.
Hopefully the demostration can show us all, the good they work or if i'ts just "garbage".

Best wishes and good luck to all

Connie:)

Hi,
a woman ? Here ? How come ? But like Caster Semeya or with less hormones ??? :eek:

you're lucky... they washed your brain only! :lol:

And your pockets and wallet also... :rolleyes:

But you're still intact at interesting parts ...aren't you ??? :???:

Maybe not... hmmmm.... depends how much you paid for that piece of junk I think...:shocked: Maybe hurts... cause the stuff don't work for c.r.a.p.

Don't worry... be happy... you can resell it on ebay to some other fool... but place a reasonable price of some thousand dollars... ;)

Kind regards,
Max

[WM6]

The demonstration of LRLs will be held on August 28 in Portugal near Morgan's home to show several LRL detectors actually working, and for people to use these LRLs with their own hands in the field

Read first User manual carefully.

Reading User manual before your first ride LRL beast will enable you to
maximize all the benefits and features of your LRL device. It was
written to help you gain the ultimate in performance, comfort,
enjoyment and safety when riding your new LRL monster.

WARNING TO PREVENT FIRE OR SHOCK, DO NOT EXPOSE LRL UNIT TO RAIN OR FALLS!!!! Never expose the unit to heat, cold, humidity, all kind of vibrations, vicinity of highway, rural province conditions, to big or to small gold nuggets, water, moisture or sceptic view!

Do not to make personal repairs to your hi-tech LRL machine.

[J_Player]

Thanks a lot JP, for your commets, I wil write it in english from now on.
When will the videos be on the forum, so we can all see them????? the reason why I'm so interrested to see them is because I bought a DC2008 from mineoro. ( I really had a brain wash from Brazil )
and now, the only thing left to do is really get to understand it.
Hopefully the demostration can show us all, the good they work or if i'ts just "garbage".

Best wishes and good luck to all

Connie:)Hi connie.
The LRL demonstration will be on the 28th August, and will continue for a few days. Then the people will return home and post their comments and any pictures and videos of the of the event for others to see. If you are in Spain, you may want to attend the demonstration. it is not far to Portugal. Then you can let these people with experience in LRLs help to get the best performance. You will also see several other LRLs that Morgan will be demonstrating which he claims work good. You can also take photos and videos if you want so you can report back to the forum too.

If you don't go to the demonstration, then we can wait maybe a week or more for when we can see the reports and videos of the demonstration here in the forum. If you want to attend the demonstration, then contact Morgan for details by clicking on his name above, and click to send a private message to ask for details.

Most people who use Mineoro LRLs say they don't work at all. Some say they work poorly, and a few say they work good. The first thing to do is try following the instructions. Then, if you can't get it to work, you can contact Esteban for maybe more help (his cousin designed the electronics for the prototypes of the Mineoros, and Esteban claims to have some success with these. He also speaks Spanish if you want Spanish instructions). I believe 2 or 3 other active forum members also report some success with these. Maybe Michael and Dr. hung. I have never seen any evidence of these working in any live field condition. But who knows? Maybe you can get it to work. :)

Best wishes,
J_P

[michael]

Hi friends.
I hope good luck for all of you.
good to see at last one practical activity is going to be done more interesting is that will be done documentarily.
for PD I don't know about small abject detection, but am sure is really capable to detect location of a treasure (a massive old buried precious metal).
...... Maybe Michael and Dr. hung. I have never seen any evidence of these working in any live field condition. But who knows? Maybe you can get it to work. :) Best wishes,
J_P
Dear J_P about mineoros; I personally had one FG80 and used it for about one year in many of hot areas from treasure standpoint ;no result.
I even had used it near my latest treasure locations where we were strongly suspect of treasure existence. The locations we at last found them by MDL and also tested PD there successfully. FG80 never beeped there, remained silent. I never claimed it really works.

[Max]

So...

as stated mineoro proved once more that don't work for c.r.a.p. :rolleyes:

Hmmm....

Not that we need more proofs...;)

Kind regards,
Max

[detectoman]

HOLA DETECTOMAN;

SOY NUEVA EN EL FORO, ME ENCANTARIA VER LA DEMOSTRACION EN VIDEO DE LA QUE TANTO HAN DISCUTIDO, PARA CUANDO ESTARA LISTA EN EL FORO??? NO ME LA QUIERO PERDER. YO TENGO ALGUNOS DE LOS DETECTORES A LOS QUE LES LLAMAN BASURA Y ESAS COSAS, OJALA PUEDAN DEMOSTRAR QUE SI FUNCIONAN, PERO EN CAMPO REAL.
SALUDOS,
CONNIE
hello only in spanish because my english is bad, hola connie me da mucho gusto que una mujer se interese en la deteccion, y mas si es de larga distancia, :D mujer mas credula que los Electronic Enginers eso es relevante, y para ellos una muestra, :razz: mira las pruebas pronto seran hechas por nuestro querido amigo morgan ya que el posee un lrl efectivo :oh:, el hara las demostraciones a los que no creen que sea posible que pueden funcionar, y sera demostrado,:lol: morgan es una persona sincera y desinteresada, y probara que si es posible,:razz: los videos seran puestos aqui mas o menos en 15 dias, para que tu los puedas abrir y los veas.,8) solo necesitaras accesar un link, que se dara en este mismo panel, luego ir a una pagina y hacer dos o tres pasos y te saldra la descarga en winzip para que los saques y archives a tu pc, y los veas cuando quieras, creo que ya sabras como, bueno si quieres escribeme a mi mail clickeando en mi avatar y nick para que me digas en donde vives haber si vives cerca y si es asi, intercambiar impresiones de vez en cuando
te envio un abrazo amiga y felicidades por tu fe"
ya veras los videos, seran reales' ok
atte detectoman

[detectoman]

y disculpame connie que no habia advertido tu nota, es que he entrado poco y casi no participo, porque he andado ocupado
si te interesas en lrls y sabes algo de electronica puedes hacer uno en estos paneles hay suficiente informacion, solo que la puesta a punto es muy critica pero funcionan
detectoman

[sweatofglory]

For your wishes to me, Thank you.
But i am not company, the same putrechigi and Morgan

Regards

Thank you also for everything......




Phil.4:13

[Morgan]

For your wishes to me, Thank you.
But i am not company, the same putrechigi and Morgan

Regards
Hi Geo and Manolo

I´m waithing to show the Pistoldetektors and Mineoros working in my field test and if possible in open fields.

The more important is to study the PHENOMENON,and we will make videos to show in this forum the scientific facts.

For you and your friend i wish a nice travel .

[Geo]

Thank you Morgan.
I am travel today for Athens, and tomorrow morning for Portugal

Regards:)

[aft_72005]

Hi Geo :)
Please take with yourself compass . and show us direction of searching at all movies
Best regards.

[Geo]

Hi Geo :)
Please take with yourself compass . and show us direction of searching at all movies
Best regards.


I will try :)

[putrechigi]

I apologize to all, there arose a problem of a personal nature and I can not go to Portugal from Morgan, I am very sorry I waited this moment for a long time i lose the tiket plane and the hotel, but first the family and afther the hobby
reguards manolo

[humhum]

Hi Everybody , my homemade LRL not works in other country (Bulgaria) ,because have very humidity, plant and tree-branch.
Now I need new sensor for this All.

[Esteban]

Hi,
a woman ? Here ? How come ? But like Caster Semeya or with less hormones ??? :eek:

you're lucky... they washed your brain only! :lol:

And your pockets and wallet also... :rolleyes:

But you're still intact at interesting parts ...aren't you ??? :???:

Maybe not... hmmmm.... depends how much you paid for that piece of junk I think...:shocked: Maybe hurts... cause the stuff don't work for c.r.a.p.

Don't worry... be happy... you can resell it on ebay to some other fool... but place a reasonable price of some thousand dollars... ;)

Kind regards,
Max

Connie, don't worry. There are some misogynist here... :lol:

[Max]

Connie, don't worry. There are some misogynist here... :lol:

Hi,
I simply asked if she/he/? has balls or guts...

I known you miss both... during one LRL expedition with Dr. Hung... while playing with dynamite candles... and Dr. Hung dropped one of these in your pants... :rolleyes:

Kind regards,
Max

[Esteban]

Hi,
I simply asked if she/he/? has balls or guts...

I known you miss both... during one LRL expedition with Dr. Hung... while playing with dynamite candles... and Dr. Hung dropped one of these in your pants... :rolleyes:

Kind regards,
Max

But you're the palo alto lover, or not? :razz: :lol:

[Max]

But you're the palo alto lover, or not? :razz: :lol:

Hmmm... depends what you mean.... :D

Have to explain ? :lol:

Of course, my palo alto is not for you... I like pretty women... :D

No exceptions! :rolleyes:

Good for you... good for me...

Kind regards,
Max

[Esteban]

Hmmm... depends what you mean.... :D

Have to explain ? :lol:

Of course, my palo alto is not for you... I like pretty women... :D

No exceptions! :rolleyes:

Good for you... good for me...

Kind regards,
Max

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :lol:

Your "battery" is OK or is "short range" life? :lol:

[Max]

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :lol:

Your "battery" is OK or is "short range" life? :lol:

Seems ok... at least for now...

Last good...

Of course, this also depends! :lol:

Kind regards,
Max

[Morgan]

Connie, don't worry. There are some misogynist here... :lol:
Hello

Today i meet with Geo it was 14.00PM at Faro airport.
Tomorrow will start the LRL tests near the field test and also in other fields.
Geo is aloud to locate and dig all the targets exept the Gold medal (buried more than 20 years ago).
We get other skeptic withness ,all will be recorded in video camera,start with compass to prove PHENOMENON travel to North direction.


Regards

[hillman]

hi all as i am a treasure hunting and i own a mineoro dc2008 am waiting for the result with supreme Passion :???: and i hope to be good and thanks for morgan and geo to do this demonstration
best regards,
Hillman

[mosha]

hi all as i am a treasure hunting and i own a mineoro dc2008 am waiting for the result with supreme Passion :???: and i hope to be good and thanks for morgan and geo to do this demonstration
best regards,
Hillman

hi
I do not think you will get good news about Mineoro DC2008, I have this one since two years, so far have only random beebs.

best regards,

Mosha

[J_Player]

hi
I do not think you will get good news about Mineoro DC2008, I have this one since two years, so far have only random beebs.

best regards,

MoshaSo far, all people who have used the Mineoro DC 2008 and reported in this forum say that it does not work at all. Only exception is Dr. hung who says it works excellent, and Esteban who says it works, but not as good as his own experimental LRLs. We will see what Mineoro performance is observed during Morgan's demonstration of LRLs also.

Are there any other users of Mineoro who also found success with the DC or FG models?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Max]

So far, all people who have used the Mineoro DC 2008 and reported in this forum say that it does not work at all. Only exception is Dr. hung who says it works excellent, and Esteban who says it works, but not as good as his own experimental LRLs. We will see what Mineoro performance is observed during Morgan's demonstration of LRLs also.

Are there any other users of Mineoro who also found success with the DC or FG models?

Best wishes,
J_P

on which planet ??? :lol:

[Esteban]

So far, all people who have used the Mineoro DC 2008 and reported in this forum say that it does not work at all. Only exception is Dr. hung who says it works excellent, and Esteban who says it works, but not as good as his own experimental LRLs. We will see what Mineoro performance is observed during Morgan's demonstration of LRLs also.

Are there any other users of Mineoro who also found success with the DC or FG models?

Best wishes,
J_P

I have only experiences with old models than 2008, but I can modificate it.

[Max]

I have only experiences with old models than 2008, but I can modificate it.


Have experience and wrote they work... that's the interesting stuff... :lol:

It's a fact all mineoro's LRLs things are just hi-priced pieces of junk...

Kind regards,
Max

[Morgan]

I have only experiences with old models than 2008, but I can modificate it.
Hi to all

I return from the LRL tests,i was with Geo and another person also skeptic.

Report of this tests near the gold medal buried more than 20 years ago.

1-Geo take one L rod and find imediatly the place where the medal is buried. This is realy amazing !!!

2-After this we try Mineoro models (PDC210,DC2006,DC2008) near the medal and only DC2008 start beeps but only 1 meter over the gold...

3-I get signals with my PD clone and Alonso Pistoldetektor 2m or more from the gold medal,also Geo try Alonso PD and get the same results.

4-Near my Field test we locate one piece of silver paper 15cm buried and 3meters distance.
And finaly we get another sigal 2m distance,i dig one nice old silver ring but near it was one iron can,this convince 100% my portuguese friend,but i hope Geo also become not skeptic after this simple demonstrations.

5- Our friend Geo bring with him LRL device who give beeps 3m near the gold .

All was recorded in video DVD.



Regards to all

[Morgan]

I have only experiences with old models than 2008, but I can modificate it.
In this LRL videos everybody can see how dificult is the PD calibration until we get the correct point when he start detecting the small targets,i do this more esay but Geo also get point and the signals.
People here,all should understand PHENOMENON is real.

[Esteban]

In this LRL videos everybody can see how dificult is the PD calibration until we get the correct point when he start detecting the small targets,i do this more esay but Geo also get point and the signals.
People here,all should understand PHENOMENON is real.

Of course, phenomenon is REAL. And treasure size is "hot spot".

[FrancoItaly]

Hi All

I'm very happy for this notice, not only for lrl phenomenom but for dowsing that it seems real if well used. I continue with renewed enthusiasm to develope my BFO pistol. The future efforts will be for the sensor. I'm convinced that in Morgan'PD it there is a sensor in the head, perhaps a little metallic sheet, connected to ferrite coil that is a pass band filter. The coils in the ferrite are opposite in phase to reduce the strong signal from Tr coil.

Best Regards

[hung]

As Esteban stated, long time buried metal phenomenon is and has always been real. That's unquestionable and does not need further coments.

In this LRL videos everybody can see how dificult is the PD calibration until we get the correct point when he start detecting the small targets.

Yes. I know.
It helps if a multiturn pot is used.

Not knowing how exactly this test was conducted in terms ot time intervals to allow ionic fields recovering and assuming you have also taken the time to calibrate the PDC210 and DC2006 (in edge of tuning), then you should have got the same results. Probably the PDC from a closer distance. If you could show a video on how the PDC was calibrated, this would solve my doubts.

I'm also sure that the DC2008 also set for max sensitivity is capable of detecting your medal from the same or even larger distance than the PD. Actually in a previous post, you had claimed your DC was not detecting it.

I congratulate Geo as he appears to be one of the hundreds of fine dowsers of the world.
I wish I could have the same results for a pair of L rods I do quick and strong with the RT Examiner.
Although I have stated, it's not dowsing per se.

[Fred]

As Esteban stated, long time buried metal phenomenon is and has always been real. That's unquestionable and does not need further coments.
Nothing is unquestionable and doesnt need comments.Only simple people avoid questions.

If you could show a video on how the PDC was calibrated, this would solve my doubts.
I bet it would, i remember you had a lot of them when we reverse-engineered Morgan´s PD.

[putrechigi]

In this LRL videos everybody can see how dificult is the PD calibration until we get the correct point when he start detecting the small targets,i do this more esay but Geo also get point and the signals.
People here,all should understand PHENOMENON is real.
I am very happy for the tests and the positive results, I regret not being there but I think GEO is your guarantee for all.;);););)


In this forum there are very incredible people, in pm or at the telephon said one think,in the forum write completely the opposite, that incredible lie!!!!!!:nono::nono::nono::nono:
now is the best happy!!! when i said that the pd worked
he laughed

sorry i don't want start the bad discussion but i must said this and i think that sombody to know who I'm talking and if he want he have my telephon for clarification or he can go at my house not much chilometer with the car.

[Clondike Clad]

In this LRL videos everybody can see how dificult is the PD calibration until we get the correct point when he start detecting the small targets,i do this more esay but Geo also get point and the signals.
People here,all should understand PHENOMENON is real.
IF it is real what is it and can I see it on a scope?

[J_Player]

As Esteban stated, long time buried metal phenomenon is and has always been real. That's unquestionable and does not need further coments.This is absolutely wrong.
The "phenomenon" has never been demonstrated to be what Alonoso and Damasio said it was. It exists as explained on the Mineoro website only in the minds of Mineoro believers, which are two people in this forum (so far). To say that "the phenomenon" as described by Alonso and Damasio is not questionable is ludricrous. If anyone would follow the advice to not question "the phenomenon" as it is published on the Mineoro website, they would have to put on their blinders to ignore what scientists have discovered about this "phenomenon", as well as ignoring any new discoveries about it which could also show Alonso and Damasio were wrong.

Scientists have found evidence through repeatable testing to prove that any ions that are shed from a buried metal object are neutralised when they become bound with other constituents in the soil. They proved this happens between 10 cm and 30 cm below the surface of the soil, and any trace amount of atoms of the buried treasure which reach the surface are not ions, but compounds which are no longer ionized. Further, they showed these compounds do not become airborne. They discovered the trace amounts of buried metal ions that reach the surface of the soil become metal compounds, and can move only by the forces of erosion of the soil surface.

But people who say the Mineoro concept of "the phenomenon" should not be questioned claim these ions from corroded buried metal travel into the air where they hover to a height of 7.2 feet above the surface. They continue to claim this as undeniable fact, even though testing has shown there are no treasure ions hovering in a column anywhere above the surface.

As I recall, Dr. hung has also posted claims that the DNA of gold creates a substance that coats the surface to protect it from oxidation and rust, as well as telling us his RangerTell "shoots a signal line which is returned", apparently using some transmitting equipment which nobody has been able to find inside the RangerTell. Yet neither the existence of gold DNA, transmitters "shooting signal lines", or ions hovering 7.2 feet in the air above a buried metal object have ever been demonstrated to be facts, while scientists have shown in their testing that these are not facts, but false claims. In other words this is false misinformation that Dr. hung posted in the forum.

So why is it that when we have strong evidence to suggest the science concepts of Dr. hung are false, he tells us they are unquestionable and do not need further comments? By what mandate must we agree that the "Alonso and Damasio" concept of "the phenomenon" is unquestionable and does not need further comments?

By mandate of Dr. hung?
Isn't this similar to how the Pope once mandated that all people were to believe the earth is the center of the universe, regardless of what evidence Galileo's telescope showed to say it is not true? Is Dr. hung now the infallible, all-knowing high priest of LRLs whose ideas cannot be questioned regardless of what evidence proves he is wrong?

When I hear someone saying their idea is unquestionable and does not need comments, I know I am hearing talk from someone who consider their ideas to be infallible as the supreme intelligence.

I think I will be wise to believe what Geo or Morgan post is the truth as they observed without being mandated to accept Dr. hung's commentaries and false scientific propaganda. Always, I like discoveries to be open to questions, comments and discussion.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Theseus]

This is absolutely wrong.
The "phenomenon" has never been demonstrated to be what Alonoso and Damasio said it was. It exists as explained on the Mineoro website only in the minds of Mineoro believers, which are two people in this forum (so far). To say that "the phenomenon" as described by Alonso and Damasio is not questionable is ludricrous. If anyone would follow the advice to not question "the phenomenon" as it is published on the Mineoro website, they would have to put on their blinders to ignore what scientists have discovered about this "phenomenon", as well as ignoring any new discoveries about it which could also show Alonso and Damasio were wrong.

Scientists have found evidence through repeatable testing to prove that any ions that are shed from a buried metal object are neutralised when they become bound with other constituents in the soil. They proved this happens between 10 cm and 30 cm below the surface of the soil, and any trace amount of atoms of the buried treasure which reach the surface are not ions, but compounds which are no longer ionized. Further, they showed these compounds do not become airborne. They discovered the trace amounts of buried metal ions that reach the surface of the soil become metal compounds, and can move only by the forces of erosion of the soil surface.

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Best wishes,
J_P

Absolutely correct.

In fact, "the phenomenon" is really nothing more than a copy of, or extension of the LRL salesman-created marketing term known as F.E.R.F. Free Electron Radiation Fields have never existed except in the minds of those ad writing marketing schemers who wish to take advantage of the technically-challenged and gullible treasure hunters. Today, KellyCo still runs ads for their Ground Resistance Analyzers, and utilize the bogus term FERF in their copy.

If "the phenomenon" or FERF actually existed, it would certainly have been recognized by rational science after all these years - and not remained in the category of "wish science", seen only by a mere handful of esoteric observers, having zero accreditation or collaboration.

When Hung makes silly statements like; "the phenomenon is unquestionable and does not need further comments", it is important to consider the source and discount it as having zero relevance.

[Morgan]

Of course, phenomenon is REAL. And treasure size is "hot spot".
Hi all

Today Geo was with me in the radio amateur laboratory.
He measure the frequencies of my PD clone and the Alonso PD.
The real PD frequencies are diferent from my PD clone and he as also diferent freq. in his PD made in Greece.
I let this technical language between Geo and the forum,he is the rigth person to explain to the RS forum members this measurments.

Regards to all

[J_Player]

When Hung makes silly statements like; "the phenomenon is unquestionable and does not need further comments", it is important to consider the source and discount it as having zero relevance.Hmmm...
Yes, I did consider the source. This is the same Dr. hung who posted that gold has DNA which produces a substance that coats the surface to protect it from oxidation and rust. He also declined to give any explanations or evidence to support his "gold DNA" science. :lol: :lol: :lol:


Best wishes,
J_P

[Esteban]

Absolutely correct.

In fact, "the phenomenon" is really nothing more than a copy of, or extension of the LRL salesman-created marketing term known as F.E.R.F. Free Electron Radiation Fields have never existed except in the minds of those ad writing marketing schemers who wish to take advantage of the technically-challenged and gullible treasure hunters. Today, KellyCo still runs ads for their Ground Resistance Analyzers, and utilize the bogus term FERF in their copy.

If "the phenomenon" or FERF actually existed, it would certainly have been recognized by rational science after all these years - and not remained in the category of "wish science", seen only by a mere handful of esoteric observers, having zero accreditation or collaboration.

When Hung makes silly statements like; "the phenomenon is unquestionable and does not need further comments", it is important to consider the source and discount it as having zero relevance.

F.E.R.F. Free Electron Radiation Fields can be obscure... because nobody knows all the factors in sites with metal buried for long time. This is the reason I use the word phenomenon. Through the years around metal buried for long time are created an own "atmosphere". Here the metal in conjunction wit humidity and oxidation-migration creates a kind of "field", is like a battery in ground. Here the magnetic lines of Earth can be distorted by these good conductive metals buried for long time. A quantity of metal buried for long time as a treasure directly is energetic, because an open gate of a IC connected via antenna burns in presence of it... I'm explaining since my own experiences and study in situ by many years.

Sometimes the last transistor of audio stage of a common MD burns here...

[Theseus]

F.E.R.F. Free Electron Radiation Fields can be obscure... because nobody knows all the factors in sites with metal buried for long time. This is the reason I use the word phenomenon. Through the years around metal buried for long time are created an own "atmosphere". Here the metal in conjunction wit humidity and oxidation-migration creates a kind of "field", is like a battery in ground. Here the magnetic lines of Earth can be distorted by these good conductive metals buried for long time. A quantity of metal buried for long time as a treasure directly is energetic, because an open gate of a IC connected via antenna burns in presence of it... I'm explaining since my own experiences and study in situ by many years.

Sometimes the last transistor of audio stage of a common MD burns here...

I have no idea what you mean by your term "burns" in the above quote.

FERF is a made-up term and has no real meaning or relationship to practical science or to long time buried metal.

You say you'd rather call it "the phenomenon" because it is complex and involves unknowns. Okay... but here are some FACTS that don't involve unknowns, but do relate to various metals buried in a soil environment. These facts are the result of my own experiments and study and have been corroborated many times over by other investigators in the same field of study.

Very little if anything is happening around the more noble metal buried in a soil environment. Even if two dissimilar metal are in actual contact with each other, as the corrosion of one or both takes place, the electrical contact between the two is broke and the corrosion that occurs is concentrated on each individually.

All corrosion is based on loosing electrons. No metal is pure and even the local environment can cause one part of the same piece of metal to become anodic to other areas on the same piece. One area looses electrons and corrodes while the area receiving the electrons is cathodically protected. The anodic area eventually becomes polarized and then the corrosion stops in that area. Then another anodic area starts.
Since no metal is truely pure, there are always anodic areas in the metal. Also if any metal gets struck hard or gets bent, that stressed area becomes anodic -- thus the name stress corrosion.

Charge carriers within a metal are electrons, and the charge carriers external to the metal are ions.

Questions are; do the ions that flow between the two metals concentrate themselves in any way in the soil (electrolyte) around and in the area of the more noble metal? If so, would this concentration form some sort of a charged area (a field, or "a phenomenon") in the soil that is significantly different from other areas of the soil where there are no noble metals?

What metallic ions flow away from the source immediately bond with any anions in the environment such as Cl, OH, SO4, etc. Thus forming a corrosion area around the metal. Today, there is no evidence to suggest they might escape into the atmosphere or hover above the ground.

In actually, there is little flow of metal ions between metals that are physically separated; as explained above. In a pile of iron or with other material, organic or metal, then iron corrosion products can coat them.

What about some of the most noble metals in the galvanic series, such as Platinum and Gold? Gold is probably considered to be the most noble of all metals and in that regard is thought to be the most inert. Yet if Gold or Platinum were in a suitable soil environment where they shared the same electrolyte with less noble metal, would they not enter into a typical corrosion process with other nearby less noble metal, just as readily as other metals? (Not that the Gold or Platinum would suffer any corrosion, but simply that it would enter into typical corrosion ion flows with other less noble and corroding metal.)

If gold or platinum were in contact with any other metal, -- Key thing is in contact - then the electrons would flow from the less noble metal to the more noble metal. The less noble would corrode as the electrons flowed. But the metal ions of the corroding metal mainly build up as a corrosion layer around the corroding metal. The corrosion layer consists of the metal ions of the corroding metal, any anions in the environment and the matrix (sand, gravel, etc.) that is in the area.

Gold and Platinum in most instances are very very reluctant to give up any of their electrons, thus they do not lose any metal ions.

The key point here is this: Most corrosion of metal is within and among the constituent area of the same piece. The interaction between two dissimilar metals that are not in physical and electrical contact is minimal at best, and certainly does not create a "field" or "a phenomenon" that has to this day escaped detection by rational science and scientific investigation.

(Sorry I don't speak or write Spanish or Portuguese, so I have to give you my facts in English)

[Fred]

Very little if anything is happening around the more noble metal buried in a soil environment.
Actually conductivity changes a lot. And soil is conductive too ...So we have a no-so good conductor around a very good conductor...all this submitted to electric and magnetic fields.

[Max]

F.E.R.F. Free Electron Radiation Fields can be obscure... because nobody knows all the factors in sites with metal buried for long time. This is the reason I use the word phenomenon. Through the years around metal buried for long time are created an own "atmosphere". Here the metal in conjunction wit humidity and oxidation-migration creates a kind of "field", is like a battery in ground. Here the magnetic lines of Earth can be distorted by these good conductive metals buried for long time. A quantity of metal buried for long time as a treasure directly is energetic, because an open gate of a IC connected via antenna burns in presence of it... I'm explaining since my own experiences and study in situ by many years.

Sometimes the last transistor of audio stage of a common MD burns here...

:lol:

Esteban knows better! :D

But this seems really Esteban's science...

Hmmm... I guess it doesn't work... :rolleyes:

Kind regards,
Max

[J_Player]

I have no idea what you mean by your term "burns" in the above quote.What Esteban means is if you are in the location of a buried metal object with a strong signal, and you are trying to detect it by using an antenna connected to an IC with an open gate, then then the amount of energy being sensed will be strong enough to cause a current overload in the IC, causing it to permanently malfunction, possibly accompanied by the smell of a burning IC. He says he knows this from his own field experience.

FERF is a made-up term and has no real meaning or relationship to practical science or to long time buried metal.

You say you'd rather call it "the phenomenon" because it is complex and involves unknowns. Okay... but here are some FACTS that don't involve unknowns, but do relate to various metals buried in a soil environment. These facts are the result of my own experiments and study and have been corroborated many times over by other investigators in the same field of study.

Very little if anything is happening around the more noble metal buried in a soil environment. Even if two dissimilar metal are in actual contact with each other, as the corrosion of one or both takes place, the electrical contact between the two is broke and the corrosion that occurs is concentrated on each individually.

All corrosion is based on loosing electrons. No metal is pure and even the local environment can cause one part of the same piece of metal to become anodic to other areas on the same piece. One area looses electrons and corrodes while the area receiving the electrons is cathodically protected. The anodic area eventually becomes polarized and then the corrosion stops in that area. Then another anodic area starts.
Since no metal is truely pure, there are always anodic areas in the metal. Also if any metal gets struck hard or gets bent, that stressed area becomes anodic -- thus the name stress corrosion.

Charge carriers within a metal are electrons, and the charge carriers external to the metal are ions.

Questions are; do the ions that flow between the two metals concentrate themselves in any way in the soil (electrolyte) around and in the area of the more noble metal? If so, would this concentration form some sort of a charged area (a field, or "a phenomenon") in the soil that is significantly different from other areas of the soil where there are no noble metals?

What metallic ions flow away from the source immediately bond with any anions in the environment such as Cl, OH, SO4, etc. Thus forming a corrosion area around the metal. Today, there is no evidence to suggest they might escape into the atmosphere or hover above the ground.

In actually, there is little flow of metal ions between metals that are physically separated; as explained above. In a pile of iron or with other material, organic or metal, then iron corrosion products can coat them.

What about some of the most noble metals in the galvanic series, such as Platinum and Gold? Gold is probably considered to be the most noble of all metals and in that regard is thought to be the most inert. Yet if Gold or Platinum were in a suitable soil environment where they shared the same electrolyte with less noble metal, would they not enter into a typical corrosion process with other nearby less noble metal, just as readily as other metals? (Not that the Gold or Platinum would suffer any corrosion, but simply that it would enter into typical corrosion ion flows with other less noble and corroding metal.)

If gold or platinum were in contact with any other metal, -- Key thing is in contact - then the electrons would flow from the less noble metal to the more noble metal. The less noble would corrode as the electrons flowed. But the metal ions of the corroding metal mainly build up as a corrosion layer around the corroding metal. The corrosion layer consists of the metal ions of the corroding metal, any anions in the environment and the matrix (sand, gravel, etc.) that is in the area.

Gold and Platinum in most instances are very very reluctant to give up any of their electrons, thus they do not lose any metal ions.

The key point here is this: Most corrosion of metal is within and among the constituent area of the same piece. The interaction between two dissimilar metals that are not in physical and electrical contact is minimal at best, and certainly does not create a "field" or "a phenomenon" that has to this day escaped detection by rational science and scientific investigation.Hi Theseus,
What you report is true for experiments done with various metals in the soil, and will hold true for experiments that extend for well over a year of research. Much has been studied in this area by companies who bury pipes and cables for the utilities. They often design anodic protection systems to prevent corrosion of the buried pipes and cables.

But things begin to change when we look at metals that are buried for longer terms, say more than 20 years. And these changes become very noticeable when the metal is buried for thousands of years. Scientists have found that the corrosion chemistry is different when observing the minute corrosion effects over these long time spans. Gold, platinum and other metals that naturally resist corrosion show evidence of very definite corrosion, and migration of ions in the soil in trace amounts. The chemistry that causes this corrosion is not from other metals, but from cyanide that is excreted by microorganisms which live deep under the surface. This happens in trace amounts, and depends on proximity to the buried metal, and also depends on capillary action of rain cycles, or underground moisture movement to transport the ions away from the metal host. Subterranean microorganisms also excrete organic acids and sulfur complexes which can suspend the corroded metal ions during the time when they are below the surface. The observations of the scientists who study these corrosion mechanics show the metal ions usually migrate upward (vertically) toward the surface of the earth. The metal ions eventually bind with other constituents of the soil during the final 10-30 cm before reaching the surface. At the time they bind, they become compounds (In the case of gold, it combines with itself into a gold lattice to create a microparticle). Never have they ever found any evidence of these ions surviving at the surface of the soil or above it.

This "long-time buried" chemistry is capable of transporting trace amounts of ions from noble metals such as gold and platinum, measured in the sub-parts per billion in a soil sample. But even in these trace amounts, when the process continues for long enough, scientists have found some of these moving metal ions can precipitate into new gold nuggets at some distance from the host metal which is usually below the new nugget formations. This has been observed on very long time buried natural gold deposits (more than 50,000 years old). The time involved for these processes depends on the presence and concentrations of microorganisms that excrete cyanide, low molecular weight organic acids, and sulfur complexes. The time lapse also depends on annual rain cycles to provide the capillary action needed to draw the ions upward with the moisture. In ideal conditions created in a laboratory, more than 1 part per billion gold ion concentration can be measured in the soil after a month using simple methods. Gold ions can easily obtained by seeding a bucket of damp soil with gold pellets, then incubating the soil with known cyanide excreting microorganisms. This will create a strong gold ion concentration in the soil in one month, which usually takes more than a century when relying on the rain cycles and other fortuitous circumstances.

The mechanisms I described above are what scientists have observed. They did not report any observations of strange electrical activity in these locations of buried metal. But then, maybe they were not looking for electrical activities.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Morgan]

Actually conductivity changes a lot. And soil is conductive too ...So we have a no-so good conductor around a very good conductor...all this submitted to electric and magnetic fields.
Hi

I talk with Geo about this PHENOMENON generated by buried metals and his opinion is the same as yours.

[connie]

Hi,
a woman ? Here ? How come ? But like Caster Semeya or with less hormones ??? :eek:

you're lucky... they washed your brain only! :lol:

And your pockets and wallet also... :rolleyes:

But you're still intact at interesting parts ...aren't you ??? :???:

Maybe not... hmmmm.... depends how much you paid for that piece of junk I think...:shocked: Maybe hurts... cause the stuff don't work for c.r.a.p.

Don't worry... be happy... you can resell it on ebay to some other fool... but place a reasonable price of some thousand dollars... ;)

Kind regards,
Max

HI Max!!!

what, you have a problem with women joining the forum??

I,m not worry, I'm very happy, thank you...
and yes I paid quite something!!!
and believe me, I'm still waiting for positive results.
I'm a real treasure hunter,
and I'm a women with a lot of guts!!!! and all I ask is some respect.
I'm new in this forum and I look foward to achieve more experience from the experts. I have no doubt there are many in this forum and hopefully I can learn from them.

Thank you morgan for the demostration, I hope I can see it soon and I'll be waiting for positive results.

best regards to all.

Connie

[Esteban]

HI Max!!!

what, you have a problem with women joining the forum??

I,m not worry, I'm very happy, thank you...
and yes I paid quite something!!!
and believe me, I'm still waiting for positive results.
I'm a real treasure hunter,
and I'm a women with a lot of guts!!!! and all I ask is some respect.
I'm new in this forum and I look foward to achieve more experience from the experts. I have no doubt there are many in this forum and hopefully I can learn from them.

Thank you morgan for the demostration, I hope I can see it soon and I'll be waiting for positive results.

best regards to all.

Connie

Problem? He said that he know much about women! :rolleyes: :lol:

[Esteban]

What Esteban means is if you are in the location of a buried metal object with a strong signal, and you are trying to detect it by using an antenna connected to an IC with an open gate, then then the amount of energy being sensed will be strong enough to cause a current overload in the IC, causing it to permanently malfunction, possibly accompanied by the smell of a burning IC. He says he knows this from his own field experience.

Fet is very delicate. As I can't measure this strong signal of treasure, I put the antenna at 10 centimeters of TV screen and fet again kaputt! I repeat with other circuit based on array transistors CA3046, and again kaputt! So, wich is the nature of treasure buried for long time for to causes total malfunction in IC when input is exposed or semiexposed via an antenna?

[J_Player]

...Fet is very delicate. As I can't measure this strong signal of treasure, I put the antenna at 10 centimeters of TV screen and fet again kaputt! I repeat with other circuit based on array transistors CA3046, and again kaputt! So, wich is the nature of treasure buried for long time for to causes total malfunction in IC when input is exposed or semiexposed via an antenna?Hi Esteban,
I cannot tell what is the exact cause of these FETs burning near treasures. But after much reading, I see posts that say Jinns will often cause equipment malfunction when near treasures. Of course, you have not seen any Jinns in the places where you hunt for treasure. But according to Jinn witnesses, these Jinns can be invisible to people, so you cannot see them making problems for your treasure hunting equipment. This means it is possible these Jinns are causing problems for your FETs when you cannot see them. Maybe they are watching you without your knowledge?

I cannot prove that Jinns caused the FETs to burn, but nobody can prove they are not the cause of this FET burning.
So what to say?
This is now a mystery we cannot know without first making a scan with a Jinn detector to assure no Jinns are present.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Esteban]

Hi Esteban,
I cannot tell what is the exact cause of these FETs burning near treasures. But after much reading, I see posts that say Jinns will often cause equipment malfunction when near treasures. Of course, you have not seen any Jinns in the places where you hunt for treasure. But according to Jinn witnesses, these Jinns can be invisible to people, so you cannot see them making problems for your treasure hunting equipment. This means it is possible these Jinns are causing problems for your FETs when you cannot see them. Maybe they are watching you without your knowledge?

I cannot prove that Jinns caused the FETs to burn, but nobody can prove they are not the cause of this FET burning.
So what to say?
This is now a mystery we cannot know without first making a scan with a Jinn detector to assure no Jinns are present.

Best wishes,
J_P

If you put a glass with whiskey near the treasure, probably Jinns leave his bad attitude and allow to find the treasure. Sometimes also a big cigar helps!

[J_Player]

If you put a glass with whiskey near the treasure, probably Jinns leave his bad attitude and allow to find the treasure. Sometimes also a big cigar helps!Hi Esteban,
Thank you for this excellent measure to appease the Jinns. This represents a great improvement over the method of paying a guru several thousand dollars to send the Jinns away. Maybe this "whiskey and cigar" method will mark the end of burnt FETs for treasure hunters. :super:

Best wishes,
J_P

[Esteban]

Thank you for this excellent measure to appease the Jinns. This represents a great improvement over the method of hiring a guru for several thousands of dollars. Maybe this "whiskey and cigar" method will mark the end of burnt FETs. :super:

Best wishes,
J_P

:lol: :lol: I remember that people here also asure that gnomos keep the treasure, but with ron and cigar, problem ends!

[Max]

:lol: :lol: I remember that people here also asure that gnomos keep the treasure, but with ron and cigar, problem ends!

Hmmmm....

I agree....

Indeed... happened to me... :cool:

I mean... the landlord not much tall...say like a gnome was not really... how to say...friendly... :lol: (he pointed a rifle to me and my "crew")

Then ...we convinced him... but most cause of whiskey and cigars... and stories about what we are doing there...

He never saw before a real cuban cigar...

You know... some people don't know they litterally seat over a treasure... but live in farm with goats (like in this case)... and smoked the dried leaves of trees... then if you add some REAL cigar and REAL whiskey can smooth things to the point you need... sometimes

Of course, we recovered all treasure overnight there... :D

But then before go away...we put in an handkerchief enough stuff to let the sleeping dwarf guard... wake up happy... and a new, full cigar box to him ! ;)

Kind regards,
Max

[Esteban]

Hmmmm....

I agree....

Indeed... happened to me... :cool:

I mean... the landlord not much tall...say like a gnome was not really... how to say...friendly... :lol: (he pointed a rifle to me and my "crew")

Then ...we convinced him... but most cause of whiskey and cigars... and stories about what we are doing there...

He never saw before a real cuban cigar...

You know... some people don't know they litterally seat over a treasure... but live in farm with goats (like in this case)... and smoked the dried leaves of trees... then if you add some REAL cigar and REAL whiskey can smooth things to the point you need... sometimes

Of course, we recovered all treasure overnight there... :D

But then before go away...we put in an handkerchief enough stuff to let the sleeping dwarf guard... wake up happy... and a new, full cigar box to him ! ;)

Kind regards,
Max

You put cigar and whiskey for the gnomes, but persons of our size end consuming them! :lol:

[Max]

HI Max!!!

what, you have a problem with women joining the forum??

I,m not worry, I'm very happy, thank you...
and yes I paid quite something!!!
and believe me, I'm still waiting for positive results.
I'm a real treasure hunter,
and I'm a women with a lot of guts!!!! and all I ask is some respect.
I'm new in this forum and I look foward to achieve more experience from the experts. I have no doubt there are many in this forum and hopefully I can learn from them.

Thank you morgan for the demostration, I hope I can see it soon and I'll be waiting for positive results.

best regards to all.

Connie

Hi Connie,
no I have no problem with a woman joining the forum...

my post was related to another story... about a woman that joined the forum... we discovered he's a guy... from Iran... :lol:

That's the problem! Some very smart guys think that claiming being a woman than a guy like they are... they will get more informations or "secrets" from experts... ;)

It's kind of fishing I think... but till now these attempts failed... also cause there are no secrets to get from e.g. lrl "experts".:D

Now about you... I hope (for you) you're really a woman... and not the poor, usual dude as explained above... BUT HEY... you bought that stuff... Connie! :rolleyes:

And hope you will get positive results with that stuff ! :nono:

Have you read these threads before you buy ?

I think not... cause otherwise who wanna really risk REAL money on PSEUDO-scientific devices ???

Many members explained here already that Mineoro's LRLs are c.r.a.p. ...there are even partial schematics, pcb pictures, and sensor dismantled in old threads... you can see what's inside and if have no understanding of electronics simply ask some engineer or physics expert to know if can work or not...

We (about all skeptics) concluded here from long time they cannot work.

And apart some dudes like Dr. Hung (the one with red hairs in pictures) and Esteban (the one with funny red-pistol avatar and haggard expression) that still claim mineoro's work for them... you can't find much more of these "experts" convinced of that.

You ask respect... Hmmm... as woman ? Ok, if you're a woman I can respect that.

Or as customer ? In that case no... you haven't my respect... you wasted your money and were brainwashed by them... I cannot have respect for customers like you. :nono:

It's all here... people must read before pay dollars to these cheats of Brazil... :rolleyes:

Now you are here... joined the forums... OK... I respect that, you're a woman (if you say that...) , ok I respect that... but don't ask respect of your lunatic dreamer attitude... if bought one you're a fool and dot.

And if you have guts... really... you must admit you're. Don't trick yourself. ;)

Kind regards,
Max

[Max]

Problem? He said that he know much about women! :rolleyes: :lol:

Hmmm...

jealous ??? :rolleyes:

I told you my palo alto is not for you... didn't I ? :D

You suffer from PaloAlto withdrawal symptoms... :lol:

Kind regards,
Max

[Fred]

Hmmm...

jealous ??? :rolleyes:

I told you my palo alto is not for you... didn't I ? :D

You suffer from PaloAlto withdrawal symptoms... :lol:

Kind regards,
Max

Too many radiations from treasures, can be harmfull. Should use a leather skirt , like arc welders :lol:

[connie]

HI MAX!!! I AM A REAL WOMAN, I'M SURE OF THAT, I'AM MARRIED AND HAVE 2 KIDS. I JOIN A MEXICAN FORUM, AND MY HOBBY IS THIS MOSTLY WEEKENDS WITH MY HUSBAND, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A TEAM "LOCALIZADORES DE TESOROS Y RELIQUIAS" Y WE ARE WORKING HARD.

NO, I DIDN'T READ ALL THIS BEFORE BUYING THE MINEORO, AND THIS I REGRET, BUT I'M WILLING TO WORK WITH IT UNTILL I MAKE IT WORK, BECAUSE IN MY COUNTRY WE DO HAVE REAL TREASURES, AND I'M SURE THIS PIECE OF JUNK OR CRAP as you reffer to it WILL WORK.

BEST REGARDS,

CONNIE

[Max]

Too many radiations from treasures, can be harmfull. Should use a leather skirt , like arc welders :lol:

Too many for me or for him ???

Maybe he's doing arc welding right now... thinking at PaloAlto of course!:lol:

BTW... my arc welding equipment is dead now... must buy another or do this way...:rolleyes:

Kind regards,
Max

[Max]

HI MAX!!! I AM A REAL WOMAN, I'M SURE OF THAT, I'AM MARRIED AND HAVE 2 KIDS. I JOIN A MEXICAN FORUM, AND MY HOBBY IS THIS MOSTLY WEEKENDS WITH MY HUSBAND, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A TEAM "LOCALIZADORES DE TESOROS Y RELIQUIAS" Y WE ARE WORKING HARD.

NO, I DIDN'T READ ALL THIS BEFORE BUYING THE MINEORO, AND THIS I REGRET, BUT I'M WILLING TO WORK WITH IT UNTILL I MAKE IT WORK, BECAUSE IN MY COUNTRY WE DO HAVE REAL TREASURES, AND I'M SURE THIS PIECE OF JUNK OR CRAP as you reffer to it WILL WORK.

BEST REGARDS,

CONNIE

Hi,
ok , but the junk there will not work... no matter how hard you'll try.

I suggest you resell it on ebay... and save some money at least. ;)

Kind regards,
Max

[Fred]

Too many for me or for him ???
Maybe he's doing arc welding right now... thinking at PaloAlto of course!:lol:
BTW... my arc welding equipment is dead now... must buy another or do this way...:rolleyes:
Kind regards,
Max
Hi Max,
I don´t really want to know , you both need to focus on something else :lol:
Or in the future we will will not be able to dissociate Maximiliano from Estebandito when thinking LRL´s :lol::lol:

I see that you found the microwave oven transformers usefull :)
Buy an inverter machine, they are not so expensive anymore, and welding is so much better...


BTW, i suppose Connie is not enought into South America for the mineoro to work? :shocked:


Regards,
Fred.

[J_Player]

...BTW, i suppose Connie is not enought into South America for the mineoro to work? :shocked:After much reading, I concluded the best chances for success at locating treasure with Mineoro FG and DC series is in Brazil or Paraguay. I read stories it works perfect when treasure hunting inside Mineoro test fields. But reports from users suggest the success diminishes when treasure hunting in locations more distant from the Mineoro factory. I find nobody reporting Detection in North America, except some poor success reported by Dell Winders (he says better to buy other LRLs - maybe like his X-scan or Pro 4)?
Also, all European reports I found say no success. And Michael reports no detection at all from other side of the world, opposite to Brazil. So field testing shows best results are found when treasure hunting at the Mineoro test fields. We cannot expect this high quality of performance when we take our treasure hunting expeditions outside the Mineoro test facilities.

At this point I found 4 sources for Mineoro success reports:
1. Mineoro factory (located in Brazil) reports amazing performance to recover fabulous treasures. Factory employees will make demonstrations for customers to see it working.

2. Dr. hung (located in Brazil, maybe 1000 km from Mineoro factory) reports unbelievable good detection, same as Mineoro factory reports or better.

3. Esteban (Located in Paraguay, maybe 1000 km from Mineoro factory) Nephew to the detector designer for Mineoro reports some detection with older Mineoro models that he modified for improved detection. He claims his modified Mineoro detectors don't work as well as his own experimental designs.

4. Morgan and Geo reported the first success in Europe (Portugal) when Morgan posted they got 1 meter distance detection using a DC 2008. This is only a preliminary report, still waiting to see some videos.

Maybe we will read more reports of success with Mineoro, or maybe we will discover some unknown way for tuning it to detect?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Morgan]

After much reading, I concluded the best chances for success at locating treasure with Mineoro FG and DC series is in Brazil or Paraguay. I read stories it works perfect when treasure hunting inside Mineoro test fields. But reports from users suggest the success diminishes when treasure hunting in locations more distant from the Mineoro factory. I find nobody reporting Detection in North America, except some poor success reported by Dell Winders (he says better to buy other LRLs - maybe like his X-scan or Pro 4)?
Also, all European reports I found say no success. And Michael reports no detection at all from other side of the world, opposite to Brazil. So field testing shows best results are found when treasure hunting at the Mineoro test fields. We cannot expect this high quality of performance when we take our treasure hunting expeditions outside the Mineoro test facilities.

At this point I found 4 sources for Mineoro success reports:
1. Mineoro factory (located in Brazil) reports amazing performance to recover fabulous treasures. Factory employees will make demonstrations for customers to see it working.

2. Dr. hung (located in Brazil, maybe 1000 km from Mineoro factory) reports unbelievable good detection, same as Mineoro factory reports or better.

3. Esteban (Located in Paraguay, maybe 1000 km from Mineoro factory) Nephew to the detector designer for Mineoro reports some detection with older Mineoro models that he modified for improved detection. He claims his modified Mineoro detectors don't work as well as his own experimental designs.

4. Morgan and Geo reported the first success in Europe (Portugal) when Morgan posted they got 1 meter distance detection using a DC 2008. This is only a preliminary report, still waiting to see some videos.

Maybe we will read more reports of success with Mineoro, or maybe we will discover some unknown way for tuning it to detect?

Best wishes,
J_P
Hello

In this day 29/08/2009 the Mineoro DC2008 detect the target i think just by chance ,becouse in other days not detect .
Maybe the factor Humidity ,was only 30%
With Pistoldetektor possible to find targets in all conditions except when heavy rain,and with wet soil increase the distance.

Regards

[WM6]

Hello

In this day 29/08/2009 the Mineoro DC2008 detect the target i think just by chance ,becouse in other days not detect .
Maybe the factor Humidity ,was only 30%
With Pistoldetektor possible to find targets in all conditions except when heavy rain,and with wet soil increase the distance.

Regards

Sure it was Humidity.

Why you do not use hair dryer (connected to dimmer main plug) in combinatiton with Pistoldetector to remove excessive Humidity?

[Esteban]

Hmmm...

jealous ??? :rolleyes:

I told you my palo alto is not for you... didn't I ? :D

You suffer from PaloAlto withdrawal symptoms... :lol:

Kind regards,
Max

Do you suffer Palo Bajo symptoms? :lol:

[Esteban]

Hi Connie,
no I have no problem with a woman joining the forum...

my post was related to another story... about a woman that joined the forum... we discovered he's a guy... from Iran... :lol:

That's the problem! Some very smart guys think that claiming being a woman than a guy like they are... they will get more informations or "secrets" from experts... ;)

It's kind of fishing I think... but till now these attempts failed... also cause there are no secrets to get from e.g. lrl "experts".:D

Now about you... I hope (for you) you're really a woman... and not the poor, usual dude as explained above... BUT HEY... you bought that stuff... Connie! :rolleyes:

And hope you will get positive results with that stuff ! :nono:

Have you read these threads before you buy ?

I think not... cause otherwise who wanna really risk REAL money on PSEUDO-scientific devices ???

Many members explained here already that Mineoro's LRLs are c.r.a.p. ...there are even partial schematics, pcb pictures, and sensor dismantled in old threads... you can see what's inside and if have no understanding of electronics simply ask some engineer or physics expert to know if can work or not...

We (about all skeptics) concluded here from long time they cannot work.

And apart some dudes like Dr. Hung (the one with red hairs in pictures) and Esteban (the one with funny red-pistol avatar and haggard expression) that still claim mineoro's work for them... you can't find much more of these "experts" convinced of that.

You ask respect... Hmmm... as woman ? Ok, if you're a woman I can respect that.

Or as customer ? In that case no... you haven't my respect... you wasted your money and were brainwashed by them... I cannot have respect for customers like you. :nono:

It's all here... people must read before pay dollars to these cheats of Brazil... :rolleyes:

Now you are here... joined the forums... OK... I respect that, you're a woman (if you say that...) , ok I respect that... but don't ask respect of your lunatic dreamer attitude... if bought one you're a fool and dot.

And if you have guts... really... you must admit you're. Don't trick yourself. ;)

Kind regards,
Max

Dark lenses... :lol: Do you love red pistol? :lol:

[WM6]

Do you suffer Palo Bajo symptoms? :lol:


Palo Bajo? New model from Mineoro? cam you post some picture here?

[Max]

Palo Bajo? New model from Mineoro? cam you post some picture here?

Hmmm.... he just have to make pictures of his... @en!$ during a full ere£ct!0n ! :lol:

maybe the viagra cargo was delayed also there... :D

Kind regards,
Max

[Max]

Dark lenses... :lol: Do you love red pistol? :lol:

No... actually I use a red pistol... to love... but maybe this concept is too complex for you... :D

I understand... you cannot understand... cause you maybe love PaloAlto passively! :rolleyes:

I found this one... but maybe is small for your taste... :shocked:

Kind regards,
Max

[J_Player]

....I understand... you cannot understand... cause you maybe love PaloAlto passively! :rolleyes:

I found this one... but maybe is small for your taste... :shocked:This is active design that shoots and returns signal lines?
Maybe it will work as multi-frequency for use with MDF -- looks like YAGI design?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Esteban]

No... actually I use a red pistol... to love... but maybe this concept is too complex for you... :D

I understand... you cannot understand... cause you maybe love PaloAlto passively! :rolleyes:

I found this one... but maybe is small for your taste... :shocked:

Kind regards,
Max

Humm!!! :rolleyes: You have fixation towards these "forms"! :razz: :lol:

[Esteban]

No... actually I use a red pistol... to love... but maybe this concept is too complex for you... :D

I understand... you cannot understand... cause you maybe love PaloAlto passively! :rolleyes:

I found this one... but maybe is small for your taste... :shocked:

Kind regards,
Max

Do you use red pistol to love? Do you lend this of others? :lol:

[Morgan]

Sure it was Humidity.

Why you do not use hair dryer (connected to dimmer main plug) in combinatiton with Pistoldetector to remove excessive Humidity?
I have the feeling i lose my time making this LRL films just for people like you,who like to play jokes...
Anyway the facts are more real than your nonsense words.

[Seden]

Morgan,

Ignore WM6,there are the rest of us who are really looking forward to seeing the videos.

Randy

[Morgan]

Morgan,

Ignore WM6,there are the rest of us who are really looking forward to seeing the videos.

Randy

Hi Seden

Thanks
This videos was sent to Qiaozhi and he decide to put them in the closed forum,just for some limited number of people to see...

Regards

[Qiaozhi]

Hi Seden

Thanks
This videos was sent to Qiaozhi and he decide to put them in the closed forum,just for some limited number of people to see...

Regards
Yes - for the moment the videos will be posted in the closed forum.

I will post the videos there tomorrow. Unfortunately not enough time to do this right now, and there is a lot of data to upload.

After the initial discussions the videos may get a wider audience.

[Clondike Clad]

Yes - for the moment the videos will be posted in the closed forum.

I will post the videos there tomorrow. Unfortunately not enough time to do this right now, and there is a lot of data to upload.

After the initial discussions the videos may get a wider audience.
WHAT IS THE SECRET WITH THIS STUFF.
JUST POST THE VIDEO.
SNAKE OIL AGAIN

[Esteban]

WHAT IS THE SECRET WITH THIS STUFF.
JUST POST THE VIDEO.
SNAKE OIL AGAIN

Aren't you part of the "club"? Sorry!!! :lol:

[Max]

Do you use red pistol to love? Do you lend this of others? :lol:

Hi,
no , I don't need to lend from others... I have mine, and not need extra stuff.

But maybe you need PaloAlto antenna... instead...

Seems that LRLs from south america all suffer from PaloAlto disease... all need you put that in the right place to work! :lol:

Your LRLs are best used with silicon oil... I bet you do this way! :razz:

Kind regards,
Max

[Max]

Morgan,

Ignore WM6,there are the rest of us who are really looking forward to seeing the videos.

Randy


Hmmm... now seems a soap opera... like debunkering...

Takes that long uploading some video on youtube or rapidshare ??? :???:

Ok, maybe they have no time at now for that... but if we have to wait a month or two... how do you think people will fill threads if not with humor ??? :rolleyes:

Kind regards,
Max

[Max]

Hi Seden

Thanks
This videos was sent to Qiaozhi and he decide to put them in the closed forum,just for some limited number of people to see...

Regards

Ok, seems good idea. I think you did it right.

Kind regards,
Max

[Max]

WHAT IS THE SECRET WITH THIS STUFF.
JUST POST THE VIDEO.
SNAKE OIL AGAIN

Could be serious reasons for that... then I think video will soon released for public domain.

I see no problems about that, if don't take long more than a few days.

Kind regards,
Max

[WM6]

SNAKE OIL AGAIN



No doubt, and as you know, snake oil should not be exposed to light, and the publicity.

[Qiaozhi]

The videos have been posted in the closed forum to allow feedback that does not include jokes or silly comments. Morgan and Geo have expended time and money making these videos, and we owe it to them to give this exercise a fair hearing. Both skeptics and LRL believers are part of the closed forum, so there is no danger of snake oil production.

Some of the videos may get posted here at a later date for feedback from a wider audience. Please be patient.

[WM6]

The videos have been posted in the closed forum to allow feedback that does not include jokes or silly comments.

Some of the videos may get posted here at a later date for feedback from a wider audience. Please be patient.

According UN Declaration of Human Right all people have right to jokes and silly comments without exceptions. We only demand to respect our Human Rights to laugh on LRLs.

[Max]

According UN Declaration of Human Right all people have right to jokes and silly comments without exceptions. We only demand to respect our Human Rights to laugh on LRLs.

I do agree with that... ;)

[Esteban]

I do agree with that... ;)

Of course, not other way! :razz: :lol:

[Fred]

According UN Declaration of Human Right all people have right to jokes and silly comments without exceptions. We only demand to respect our Human Rights to laugh on LRLs.

And makers have the right to do what they want with the videos.

[Esteban]

According UN Declaration of Human Right all people have right to jokes and silly comments without exceptions. We only demand to respect our Human Rights to laugh on LRLs.

We respect your rights. You have rights for to make nonsense comments... :razz: :lol:

[Max]

We respect your rights. You have rights for to make nonsense comments... :razz: :lol:

Said by you... :lol:

An authority in that field... second just to Dr. Hung and his gold-DNA theory...! :razz:

Kind regards,
Max

[gibon]

HI Max!!!

what, you have a problem with women joining the forum??

I,m not worry, I'm very happy, thank you...
and yes I paid quite something!!!
and believe me, I'm still waiting for positive results.
I'm a real treasure hunter,
and I'm a women with a lot of guts!!!! and all I ask is some respect.
I'm new in this forum and I look foward to achieve more experience from the experts. I have no doubt there are many in this forum and hopefully I can learn from them.

Thank you morgan for the demostration, I hope I can see it soon and I'll be waiting for positive results.

best regards to all.

Connie



Hello Connie,

Like you, I' m new on this forum and like you, I'm owner of Mineoro DC 2008.

Happiness I could buy it for nothing with help of CARLl himself. I shall explain later

I wanted to buy this device because I wanted to see by myself.

Morgan have explained you the situation. Few have good result and other like me have nothing.

I 've got no time to argue with Mr so and so this isnot my goal and has you could see it's serve at nothing.

I could get lot of information on this forum and theire is only one guy able to help you in case of problem it' is Mr Hung.

This guy is really helpfull and he is always answaers my E mail when I need him.

He knows very well Mineoro device because he has given me some very good advice. Only a man who know's those machine could give me those informations.

Forget about the skeptic.

For me the Dc 2008 is very versatile but I'm not going to say it'is not working. If you approach a water pipe for firman buried in the forest you will see it's going to beep in the same place all the time.

I'm using my MINEORO for six month now and you have to use it a lot make lot of taste. Training is important. Taste it in the forest without electric interference.

Has I could understand ionnisation is a natural phenomena and like every natural phenomena ( wind, sea etc ...) it can be versatile.

Forget about small beep unuseless . Search for a strong signal strait which is given you a direction.

I received this signal in one spot here in France. It is a former templeary forteress. I cannot dig for the moment because in my country if you make a search in historic area you go to jail direct.

So I don't know.

The problem with Mineoro they are so expensive that few poeple they know how they work and like you know when poeple don't understand something they prefer to be skeptics.

Don't forget the DC 2008 has been by damasio to find big size treasure. That was my mistake at beginnig. Second mistake Mineoro is very optimistic about efficeincy of theyre device and when you start the DC 2008 treasure arenot every wear,

Good luck

[WesP]

What! No video for the masses. Sounds fishy to me. Do they need time to tweak the videos? If there are real videos showing an actual working LRL then post it! If you can't take the heat stay out of the kitchen. If is real then it will be above reproach and apologizes should flow from the non believes (including myself). If it looks like BS and smells like BS then it most likely is BS. Show me the BEEF! or go back to the hen house............:nono:

[ivconic]

What! No video for the masses. Sounds fishy to me. Do they need time to tweak the videos? If there are real videos showing an actual working LRL then post it! If you can't take the heat stay out of the kitchen. If is real then it will be above reproach and apologizes should flow from the non believes (including myself). If it looks like BS and smells like BS then it most likely is BS. Show me the BEEF! or go back to the hen house............:nono:

Hopefully you will see those soon. I saw those and am not impressed at all. I am not saying "yes" or "no" (i know answer is "no" already). But according to videos, sceptic like me would have even more doubts after watching than before. Videos are not tweaked. But all the tests recorded on those videos are not done correctly at all. Nothing serious was done to support claims about devices functionallity.
If you have seen that famous Mineoro video in the past - you saw everything! Nothing new on those videos now....
But if somebody dont like my interpretations than he better to involve effort and post those in public, everybody to see and get own impressions. Right?

[ivconic]

RS forum is closed for public. There are more "beleivers" than "sceptics" there. Sceptics are overnumbered. So it would be much more fair that debate to be presented here in public, everybody else to see and decide.
Ok...RS is closed because of project there. I agree. But the rest about it (except technicals; schematics, pcbs etc...) should be presented here in public, if we want to be democratic and fair enough. Right now situation doesn't look good. I already know the end of that debate. I rised voice and put many critics and remarks reffering what i saw on videos. So far i am the only one....:lol:

[ivconic]

Hello Connie,
Like you, I' m new on this forum and like you, I'm owner of Mineoro DC 2008.
Happiness I could buy it for nothing with help of CARLl himself. I shall explain laterI wanted to buy this device because I wanted to see by myself.
Morgan have explained you the situation. Few have good result and other like me have nothing. I 've got no time to argue with Mr so and so this isnot my goal and has you could see it's serve at nothing.I could get lot of information on this forum and theire is only one guy able to help you in case of problem it' is Mr Hung.This guy is really helpfull and he is always answaers my E mail when I need him.He knows very well Mineoro device because he has given me some very good advice. Only a man who know's those machine could give me those informations.Forget about the skeptic. For me the Dc 2008 is very versatile but I'm not going to say it'is not working. If you approach a water pipe for firman buried in the forest you will see it's going to beep in the same place all the time.I'm using my MINEORO for six month now and you have to use it a lot make lot of taste. Training is important. Taste it in the forest without electric interference.Has I could understand ionnisation is a natural phenomena and like every natural phenomena ( wind, sea etc ...) it can be versatile.Forget about small beep unuseless . Search for a strong signal strait which is given you a direction.I received this signal in one spot here in France. It is a former templeary forteress. I cannot dig for the moment because in my country if you make a search in historic area you go to jail direct.So I don't know. The problem with Mineoro they are so expensive that few poeple they know how they work and like you know when poeple don't understand something they prefer to be skeptics.Don't forget the DC 2008 has been by damasio to find big size treasure. That was my mistake at beginnig. Second mistake Mineoro is very optimistic about efficeincy of theyre device and when you start the DC 2008 treasure arenot every wear,
Good luck

So...actually you are saying : those devices are "versatile" - usually those dont work....but in very rare cases they could work!

I agree! With small correction: "...but in very rare cases they also dont work.."!

That is exactly what i saw on those videos - device which is "working" but actually does not working at all. Those tests and videos are "versatile" for real! No doubts in that!

[ivconic]

Let me clear one more thing here;
i am not criticizing the device itself. No. I am criticizing the way tests were performed on those videos. Lacks..to many lacks. Opens more questions. More and more new questions.

[J_Player]

According UN Declaration of Human Right all people have right to jokes and silly comments without exceptions. We only demand to respect our Human Rights to laugh on LRLs.Hehehee...
The only rights anyone has are the rights that are granted to them by a governing body. In this forum, we do not have a democracy, or a UN Declaration. Carl-NC is the governing body of the rules for this forum, and is responsible for all rights granted. The Remote Sensing forum has different rules than the other Geotech forums:

"This forum is for the open discussion of either method. Because LRL-oriented forums can quickly degrade into personal conflicts, this forum will be strictly controlled. Rules are still simple:
You must be a registered user to post here. Guests may read.
Be polite. Name calling will get you banned quickly.
Be factual. If you make an extraordinary claim, be prepared to get challenged.
In general, try not to take differences of opinions personally.

Postings considered to be inflammatory can be reported to Admin by clicking the little red triangle icon at the top of each post. Please use this only when absolutely necessary... I would like to keep this forum as open as possible, and do not care to mediate every conversation".

Nope... no rules against jokes or stupid posts. Only rules are against name calling. But keep in mind that if you make stupid posts, then readers will become convinced you are stupid; If you make jokes, then readers will become convinced you are a joker, etc.

Also take note... You should be prepared to get challenged if you make extraordinary claims.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Geo]

So...actually you are saying : those devices are "versatile" - usually those dont work....but in very rare cases they could work!

I agree! With small correction: "...but in very rare cases they also dont work.."!

That is exactly what i saw on those videos - device which is "working" but actually does not working at all. Those tests and videos are "versatile" for real! No doubts in that!






Hi Ivica.
What are you mean?????


Regards :)

[ivconic]

"....You should be prepared to get challenged if you make extraordinary claims...."

Sounds like neverending story! RS threads should be renamed into "Endless extraordinary claims threads" !!! :lol:

[ivconic]

Hi Ivica.
What are you mean?????


Regards :)

Hi Geo,
i mean; tests performed on those videos are not convincing. There are to many lacks that opens new questions. I already posted few remarks on restricted thread. Last one i saw was also Qiaozhi's very good question too.
Regards!

[WM6]

And makers have the right to do what they want with the videos.


Of course, if they are ashamed, they can also hide such extra-sense video.

[Morgan]

Hi Ivica.
What are you mean?????


Regards :)
Hi Geo

Thanks a lot for visiting me and my country.
It was a pleasure to teach you how Pistoldetector works and to make the tests diging buried objects some meters distance. But unfortunly skeptics not react very well and start calling you and me LIERS,so i sugest that all your informations about Alonso Pistoldetector,that you get in front of osciloscope and frequencimeter SHOULD NOT SHARE WITH NOBODY IN THIS NONSENSE FORUM !!! They not deserve the true,in other short way i should say NOT GIVE THE PEARLS TO THE PIGS ;)

Regards

[hung]

Morgan,

Congratulations.
Tests were well conducted.
Don't feel bad that many might criticize you. Nothing is unanimous in life. It's normal.

Regards.

[Alexismex]

Hello Morgan ,where is the link to yours videos for to see, please
Alexis.

[sweatofglory]

Hi Morgan & Geo,

Be strong! Persecution is the name of the game......

[Theseus]

Hi Geo

Thanks a lot for visiting me and my country.
It was a pleasure to teach you how Pistoldetector works and to make the tests diging buried objects some meters distance. But unfortunly skeptics not react very well and start calling you and me LIERS,so i sugest that all your informations about Alonso Pistoldetector,that you get in front of osciloscope and frequencimeter SHOULD NOT SHARE WITH NOBODY IN THIS NONSENSE FORUM !!! They not deserve the true,in other short way i should say NOT GIVE THE PEARLS TO THE PIGS ;)

Regards

Hmmmm... your over-protective attitude towards sharing the videos seems a little ominous to me.

I thought the whole purpose of these tests was to bring to light the "true" results of what was observed during the tests; regardless of the outcome.

Now it seems, with the reluctance to let everyone on the RS forum view them, that those responsible are casting more of a clandestine air to this whole situation than there really needs to be.

The obvious questions spawned are:

1.) What is really on the tapes?
2.) Why must the tapes (and the results) be secreted away?
3.) Would the tapes have been secreted if the test results were an overwhelming success?

:|

[J_Player]

Hmmmm... your over-protective attitude towards sharing the videos seems a little ominous to me.

I thought the whole purpose of these tests was to bring to light the "true" results of what was observed during the tests; regardless of the outcome.

Now it seems, with the reluctance to let everyone on the RS forum view them, that those responsible are casting more of a clandestine air to this whole situation than there really needs to be.

The obvious questions spawned are:

1.) What is really on the tapes?
2.) Why must the tapes (and the results) be secreted away?
3.) Would the tapes have been secreted if the test results were an overwhelming success?

:|Hi Theseus,
Yes, these are the questions that many readers of this forum are wondering. The first place I look when wondering what is the answer to these questions is the answers Morgan gave:
"...unfortunly skeptics not react very well and start calling you and me LIERS,so i sugest that all your informations about Alonso Pistoldetector,that you get in front of osciloscope and frequencimeter SHOULD NOT SHARE WITH NOBODY IN THIS NONSENSE FORUM !!! They not deserve the true,in other short way i should say NOT GIVE THE PEARLS TO THE PIGS ;)"

Apparently, Morgan was expecting forum readers to be anxiously awaiting to see LRLs really working, and believing they will work even before seeing the videos. Maybe he expected to see a lot of people agreeing that they work before he showed the videos, but he read a lot of criticism instead, hinting that the videos do not show the LRLs to be working, or were not tested properly. From what he says, I can conlcude his reason for not wanting to share these videos is because he saw the opposite response from what he expected to see. I suppose his feelings are further driven by the fact he put in a lot of time and effort without anything to gain by showing these demonstrations other than the positive responses he hoped to see. When he saw these positive responses were not forthcoming, maybe he changed his mind.

For those who are certain the Morgan tests do not show the LRLs work, I am remembering that he opened the demonsrations to all forum members to see in person and test LRLs with their own hands. While I like to see things in person before believing, I do not make any criticism of the Morgan tests, because I did not see them live in person, or make any of my own tests of these detectors with my own hands. If I had been there to test them myself, then I would be able to determine whether I believe they work or not. But since I was not there, I do not have any basis to declare they are working or not working. If I am not able to determine if the LRLs work or not, then it is my default for not attending this demonstration, not Morgan's fault that I did not attend. So I have no criticism for Morgan and Geo. I think they spent their time and money to make these demonstrations open to all forum members to come and see without any monetary rewards, which is more than we did.

Anyway, Morgan stated his reasons. They seem clear to me. But the answer to your questions could be entirely different than the answers I have conlcuded.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Geo]

Hi Geo,
i mean; tests performed on those videos are not convincing. There are to many lacks that opens new questions. I already posted few remarks on restricted thread. Last one i saw was also Qiaozhi's very good question too.
Regards!



Hi Ivconic.
We made simple tests and wrote them to a small photo camera.
We was out on field, we had not a cinema studio with us. So a boy with small camera took the video, and Morgan send it to Qiaozhi. This is all the story. I say that Alonso Pistol works 1000%. I saw it.
I don't sell detectors, i don't work for any detectors company, so i have not any reason to go so big travel and to say Lies!!!!!
BUT if you don't like to believe it, it is your choice:lol:.

Regards:)

[Astrodetect]

Hi Geo

Thanks a lot for visiting me and my country.
It was a pleasure to teach you how Pistoldetector works and to make the tests diging buried objects some meters distance. But unfortunly skeptics not react very well and start calling you and me LIERS,so i sugest that all your informations about Alonso Pistoldetector,that you get in front of osciloscope and frequencimeter SHOULD NOT SHARE WITH NOBODY IN THIS NONSENSE FORUM !!! They not deserve the true,in other short way i should say NOT GIVE THE PEARLS TO THE PIGS ;)

Regards
Yes Morgan I agree with you. I dont believe it people, you saw the PD in the Video's working. Morgan and Geo went to a lot of trouble to make these video's and we owe it to them. They spent time and money and some of the people here are not thankful.
Guys keep up the good work. I believe you..
Astrodetect

[ivconic]

Hi Geo

Thanks a lot for visiting me and my country.
It was a pleasure to teach you how Pistoldetector works and to make the tests diging buried objects some meters distance. But unfortunly skeptics not react very well and start calling you and me LIERS,so i sugest that all your informations about Alonso Pistoldetector,that you get in front of osciloscope and frequencimeter SHOULD NOT SHARE WITH NOBODY IN THIS NONSENSE FORUM !!! They not deserve the true,in other short way i should say NOT GIVE THE PEARLS TO THE PIGS ;)

Regards

Fine! Now you solved all the problems. Instead of supporting all what have been started here on this subject.
As i remember; nobody here said a word about you and Geo being liers!
Especially me, me who respects Geo much. I would never think and say something simillar.
You dont like my comments and remarks. Just because i saw videos and honestly posted in public my real opinion... Fine.

[ivconic]

Hi Ivconic.
We made simple tests and wrote them to a small photo camera.
We was out on field, we had not a cinema studio with us. So a boy with small camera took the video, and Morgan send it to Qiaozhi. This is all the story. I say that Alonso Pistol works 1000%. I saw it.
I don't sell detectors, i don't work for any detectors company, so i have not any reason to go so big travel and to say Lies!!!!!
BUT if you don't like to believe it, it is your choice:lol:.

Regards:)

Geo try to understand! I am not attacking you and Morgan for nothing.
I just dont see proper and detailed tests on videos.
That's all.

[J_Player]

Geo try to understand! I am not attacking you and Morgan for nothing.
I just dont see proper and detailed tests on videos.
That's all.Hi Ivconic,
Morgan never promised to show any particular kind of "proper detailed tests". He only said he would hold a demonstration of his LRLs working for any forum members who want to come to see and test them for themselves. We all had the opportunity to go and conduct our own "proper tests". But all declined except Geo. Geo says he made all tests he needed to satisfy himself that the pistol detector works.

Maybe it is better to go to the demonstration where you can make proper tests to satisfy yourself than to criticize from the arm chair that the tests are not proper.

Best wishes,
J_P

[ivconic]

Hi Ivconic,
Morgan never promised to show any particular kind of "proper detailed tests". He only said he would hold a demonstration of his LRLs working for any forum members who want to come to see and test them for themselves. We all had the opportunity to go and conduct our own "proper tests". But all declined except Geo. Geo says he made all tests he needed to satisfy himself that the pistol detector works.

Maybe it is better to go to the demonstration where you can make proper tests to satisfy yourself than to criticize from the arm chair that the tests are not proper.

Best wishes,
J_P


I didnt declined, i just couldnt afford to go there. Pitty.
They made movies for us to see and to debate about. Right?
So now you are saying that i dont have right to talk about my personal impressions!?
So if is that so, than why they made those movies at all?
" You can watch - but you can not talk with criticism about it!" Right!?

[J_Player]

I didnt declined, i just couldnt afford to go there. Pitty.
They made movies for us to see and to debate about. Right?
So now you are saying that i dont have right to talk about my personal impressions!?
So if is that so, than why they made those movies at all?
" You can watch - but you can not talk with criticism about it!" Right!I said nothing about anybody's rights. Nor did I say anything about what we can do and cannot do. What I said is:
"Maybe it is better to go to the demonstration where you can make proper tests to satisfy yourself than to criticize from the arm chair that the tests are not proper".

Please don't misquote me as saying something different than what I wrote just to prove your point.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Clondike Clad]

Yes Morgan I agree with you. I dont believe it people, you saw the PD in the Video's working. Morgan and Geo went to a lot of trouble to make these video's and we owe it to them. They spent time and money and some of the people here are not thankful.
Guys keep up the good work. I believe you..
Astrodetect

They spent time and money and some of the people here are not thankful.
The question is for what ?
The video should show the thingie working.
Why not show it.
It is looking very fishie to me.
Show the proof.:razz:

[Qiaozhi]

:shocked:

Now you can see the reason why I never posted the videos in the open forum.

Both Morgan and Geo deserve a fair hearing. I guess you could call this the "PD Premiere", where it gets shown to a selected audience. Perhaps the videos will go on wider release later, but only if Morgan and Geo give their approval.

This subject is controversial and bound to stir up some emotions. Although sometimes I do wonder why everyone gets so upset. After all ... look at the comments already posted in the open forum ... and some of you haven't even seen the videos yet! :rolleyes:

Please give Morgan and Geo a break. They are only reporting their findings. Although, unfortunately, the lack of any double-blind testing was bound to result in more questions than answers.

[Fred]

We have doubts because Morgan wanted to prove how well the PD works, intead of simply prove that it works.

The experience is positive anyway, and i would like to see more completes videos to really understand what makes the PD beeps.

[Theseus]

At this time, I personally don't recall rendering an opinion about the validity or content of video/pics.

J_Player, I don't think nearly as much fuss would be made over seeing the resultant test videos, if that POINT had not been talked about so much prior to the tests taking place; ...right here on this forum.

Now, post testing, your explanation seems to indicate that if I (or others who for various reasons, financial and other) could not attend in person, than we should not expect to be privy to any of the results, via the viewing of the pictures and/or videos. If that fact could have been stated, pretest, then I doubt there would have been all the anticipation generated among those of us who were expecting to see the results, post testing.

Certainly, it is understood (by me at least), that observing the test first-hand would have been the ideal situation, but in lieu of that - I was expecting to see the pics/videos, since it was more or less promised by several pretest postings here.

I stand by my original questions:

1.) What is really on the tapes/pics?
2.) Why must the tapes/pics (and the results) be secreted away?
3.) Would the tapes/pics have been secreted if the test results were an overwhelming success? ;)

[Qiaozhi]

I stand by my original questions:

1.) What is really on the tapes/pics?
2.) Why must the tapes/pics (and the results) be secreted away?
3.) Would the tapes/pics have been secreted if the test results were an overwhelming success? ;)
Sounds like "Watergate" ... or should that be "LRLgate"? :rolleyes:

Is there a cover-up going on? Perhaps (like Watergate) sections of the tapes will be erased before being publicly aired. :shocked:

Of course there is no cover-up. But Morgan in particular must give permission for them to be posted here.

[Esteban]

Said by you... :lol:

An authority in that field... second just to Dr. Hung and his gold-DNA theory...! :razz:

Kind regards,
Max

I'm authority, but you are the champion here, our boss. I decline it. We (Hung and me) are humble! :razz:

[Esteban]

Hi Morgan, hi Geo

Congratulations! Your effort is positive to me. Go ahead!

Now, they wish see the videos here, for all, but need permission of the both.

Regards

Esteban

[Theseus]

Sounds like "Watergate" ... or should that be "LRLgate"? :rolleyes:

Is there a cover-up going on? Perhaps (like Watergate) sections of the tapes will be erased before being publicly aired. :shocked:

Of course there is no cover-up. But Morgan in particular must give permission for them to be posted here.

Yup, ...Morgan has the rights to the final release, or not. Perhaps his decision will be to "never" release them. Of course that will cause the speculation as to why not, to skyrocket in the short term, and then eventually it will die down.

Alternatively, if they are eventually released, but with a large time delay, there will always be the question of how they might have been altered or edited during the time delay, and for what reason.

IMHO, the pics/videos should have been made public (on this or some other forum) the instant they were available for viewing. Then just let the chips fall where they may. The repercussions from that approach could never be as much of a problem as the present approach; secret viewings, possible editing and who knows what else.

As a RS participant, and unable to attend in person, I am very disappointed in the direction this has taken, as it appears several others are as well. Frankly, I think the only prudent thing to do now is to never release the pics/videos, let everyone here (who didn't see them) form their own opinions as to why they were secreted away - and then we all simply move on to something else to discuss. JMHO... :D

[Qiaozhi]

Alternatively, if they are eventually released, but with a large time delay, there will always be the question of how they might have been altered or edited during the time delay, and for what reason.
That question will not arise, as I will be the skeptic who is putting them here ... if we get permission. The videos are too large for anyone but an administrator to post. Rest assured that they will not be altered.

[Theseus]

That question will not arise, as I will be the skeptic who is putting them here ... if we get permission. The videos are too large for anyone but an administrator to post. Rest assured that they will not be altered.

Okay. ;)

[Fred]

I think the videos should be released here, (i can´t see why not) but together with Geo´s ones.
So All data will be available, and everyone can make his own idea about it-and share it if they want to.

[J_Player]

At this time, I personally don't recall rendering an opinion about the validity or content of video/pics.

J_Player, I don't think nearly as much fuss would be made over seeing the resultant test videos, if that POINT had not been talked about so much prior to the tests taking place; ...right here on this forum.

Now, post testing, your explanation seems to indicate that if I (or others who for various reasons, financial and other) could not attend in person, than we should not expect to be privy to any of the results, via the viewing of the pictures and/or videos. If that fact could have been stated, pretest, then I doubt there would have been all the anticipation generated among those of us who were expecting to see the results, post testing.

Certainly, it is understood (by me at least), that observing the test first-hand would have been the ideal situation, but in lieu of that - I was expecting to see the pics/videos, since it was more or less promised by several pretest postings here.

I stand by my original questions:

1.) What is really on the tapes/pics?
2.) Why must the tapes/pics (and the results) be secreted away?
3.) Would the tapes/pics have been secreted if the test results were an overwhelming success? ;)Hi Theseus,
You are correct. You did not render an opinion about the validity or content of video/pics. And I agree not nearly as much fuss would be made over seeing the resultant test videos, if that POINT had not been talked about so much prior to the tests taking place; ...right here on this forum.

But you may have misunderstood the meaning of my post. It is not my contention that people who did not attend the demonstration should not be permitted to view the videos/pics. My point is those who complain about the content or validity of the test have no basis to complain if they declined to attend the demonstration and conduct their own tests to their own satisfaction (regardless of the reason why they declined). Keep in mind that Morgan did not specify this would be a test of LRLs, much less a double blind test. He said it would be a demonstration open to forum members to watch and test the LRLs with their own hands. This makes me think it is similar to the kind of demonstration you might expect to see at a metal detector shop, where you can try out the detectors with your own hands to see if you think it works and if it is suitable for your purposes. Yet we see some posts complaining it is not a particular kind of test that the reader had in mind, (and questioning the validity of his demonstrations).

My point was it appears to me that Morgan was hoping for a better reception when it came time to post his videos, and from what I read him posting, the poor reception and negative comments are what caused him to change his mind. My opinion may be incorrect, but it is what I think to be the answer to your questions. To be more specific, here are some details:

1.) What is really on the tapes/pics? Morgan no longer feels interested in showing
This cannot be known unless we see the tapes/pics. Unfortunately, they have not been released in this forum. We have a hint from Geo and Morgan that they show him demonstrating some LRLs working. And posts by others saying it does not show anything in the way of proof.
2.) Why must the tapes/pics (and the results) be secreted away?
Because Morgan changed his mind about allowing them to be released in the Remote sensing forum. I presume this is because Morgan does not want to share his videos/pics with people who do not show that they consider them to be a worthwhile demonstration, after he spent the time and money to maie it happen.
3.) Would the tapes/pics have been secreted if the test results were an overwhelming success?
In my opinion, not posting the tapes/pics had nothing to do with the test results. My feeling is they are being witheld only because Morgan and Geo did not see the respect they expected. I believe they would post what they observed regardless of the outcome, provided they found a respcectful and appreciative audience. I believe this because Geo would never falsify what he observes, and he already stated he would report his observations regardless of what was seen. I find it hard to believe that Morgan would hide results if they are not an overwhelming success either.

These are only my opinions based on what I read in this forum. I may be wrong. From what I can see, there are only a few people who influenced Morgan's decision about making his videos public. This is unfortunate for the others who did not criticize his demonstration, or expect it to be a test conducted to their standards instead of a demonstration. Maybe Morgan will reconsider making these videos available for the benefit of the majority of the readers who are politely waiting to see them, so they can know what his demonstration did show.

As we can see in Qiaozhi's post above, it is taking on tones of "Watergate". when to me it appears to be only an issue of a few posts that upset Morgan and Geo.

I still congratulate Morgan and Geo for taking the time and effort to conduct this demonstration, regardless of what criticism they may find. I would like to see the videos here. I think Morgan and Geo did an great job in their demonstrations, well worth seeing.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Theseus]

Hi Theseus,
You are correct. You did not render an opinion about the validity or content of video/pics. And I agree not nearly as much fuss would be made over seeing the resultant test videos, if that POINT had not been talked about so much prior to the tests taking place; ...right here on this forum.

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These are only my opinions based on what I read in this forum. I may be wrong. From what I can see, there are only a few people who influenced Morgan's decision about making his videos public. This is unfortunate for the others who did not criticize his demonstration, or expect it to be a test conducted to their standards instead of a demonstration. Maybe Morgan will reconsider making these videos available for the benefit of the majority of the readers who are politely waiting to see them, so they can know what his demonstration did show.

Best wishes,
J_P

Yes, it is indeed unfortunate for those of us who did not criticize his demonstration.

One point I would hasten to illustrate here. I think it is a little late to try and draw a clear distinction between the terms demonstration and test, if that is what you are now suggesting.

By your own pen; you used the terms rather interchangeably in your own posting:

On August 29 2009, Morgan began his live LRL demonstration to show any forum members who wish to see his LRLs performing in the field. He demonstrated several Mineoro models, a prototype pistol detector made by Alonos, a clone of the Alonso pistol that Morgan made, and several other LRLs he had in his collection. While the demonstration is open to all forum members, only Geo showed up to see the demonstrations and test the LRLs. Morgan also recruited a local skeptic to watch as well.

These demonstrations and tests are not done yet. They will continue a couple more days with videos and photos taken before they are done. Then we will see some reports and videos that can be accessed from links in this forum to see what they filmed during the demonstration and testing.I really don't think there is any reason to now attempt a delineation between the terms demonstration and test. It is a moot point.

What I do think is important, is the assumption I and others made, and is in line with your own statement: "Then we will see some reports and videos that can be accessed from links in this forum to see what they filmed during the demonstration and testing."

:)

[Max]

I'm authority, but you are the champion here, our boss. I decline it. We (Hung and me) are humble! :razz:

???

Maybe the PaloAlto touched your few residual neurons ? :lol:

Kind regards,
Max

[Max]

I think the videos should be released here, (i can´t see why not) but together with Geo´s ones.
So All data will be available, and everyone can make his own idea about it-and share it if they want to.

Hi,
I think the same, I see no reason to hide them to the public. I also think that having Geo's stuff too is even more positive.

From my point of view it's a good idea the "premiere" stuff... with selected audience cause here on public RS there's the common ground that even very hard critics and massive jokes can take place (I'm an expert of that... btw).

In closed forum this bad behaviour is strongly reduced and people, both skeptics and belivers, are more focused on topic, on e.g. what's on the videos.

Here is a risk posting too early stuff... cause people could start wild jokes and default critics that don't help focus on what's inside these.

But I'm about sure they will be released soon also here, for anyone to see.

Kind regards,
Max

[J_Player]

Yes, it is indeed unfortunate for those of us who did not criticize his demonstration.

One point I would hasten to illustrate here. I think it is a little late to try and draw a clear distinction between the terms demonstration and test, if that is what you are now suggesting.

By your own pen; you used the terms rather interchangeably in your own posting:

I really don't think there is any reason to now attempt a delineation between the terms demonstration and test. It is a moot point.

What I do think is important, is the assumption I and others made, and is in line with your own statement: "Then we will see some reports and videos that can be accessed from links in this forum to see what they filmed during the demonstration and testing."

:)Hi Theseus,
Yes, I did say that. It is what Morgan and Geo planned, and what I posted. I had no clue Morgan would change his mind at the last minute, or else I would not have said videos would be posted for all to see. But he did change his mind, so what I believed and posted did not occur. Possibly he will post his videos in the future. It was Morgan's decision to change his mind about making these videos public, not mine. So I can see why some people are hoping he will reconsider and post the videos for all to see. If it were my choice, I would definitely post the videos.

Maybe someday I will post videos of my own here showing LRL demonstrations. I could care less what people think, post and conclude about what they see. If they don't agree with my demonstration methods, conclusions or opinions, or want to make prejudiced comments before the videos are shown, it is ok by me. But for now we are dealing with Morgan who has decided he does not appreciate the comments he received just before he was to post his videos.

As far as it being a little late to try and draw a clear distinction between the terms demonstration and test, I doubt this is the case. As I recall, I have been saying it is a demonstration all along, open to all forum members. And the only testing I referred to was that Morgan and the attendees would be able to test them out to see if they work or not. I can never recall saying there would be any kind of scientific testing or double blind type. I thought everyone understood that. While I didn't make a point of it, I assumed that any attendees would be allowed to make any reasonable testing of the detectors to satisfy themselves to whether they are working or not, similar to how you might test out some metal detectors at a detector shop. I could forsee that any testing would be determined by the people who attended the demonstrations, so I purposely did not describe any specific preset format, only that the attendees at the demonstration would be able to test them. If you didn't understand it this way, then I am sorry I didn't get my message across to you clearly.

Also, I should mention, I have no connection to any LRL industry interests, nor am I affiliated with any hard-core skeptic groups or LRL lover groups. I maintain an independent stance so I can express my opinions without being predisposed to support any particular group. Unknown to most skeptics, I have always maintained that gold corrodes, sending ions in the soil since my first posts in Geotech many years ago. You can find my arguments with Carl-NC about this in 2006. But it is also true that I never witnessed any machine live today demonstrating an LRL working, to detect long-time buried gold, and I am not inclined to be convinced any machine can succeed until I see it working live in front of me where I can test it to my satisfaction and convince myself it works or does not work. As far as I am concerned, these are Santa Clause stories until I see something live in front of me that convinces me there is something more than fairy tales happening.

So, I couldn't go to Morgan's demonstration/tests either, but I could do the next best thing... I could watch videos of it with him and other forum members showing what I would see if I was there. This is the reason I made promotional posts for the Morgan demonstration/testing event. I wanted to see videos of his live demonstrations/testing, and I wanted others to be able to see them too. This is the first time anyone on earth made a public demonstration of LRLs working live today for any forum members who want to see. It never happened before, and is truly a remarkable event.

I think Morgan's videos are very worthwhile for people to see what he filmed. Of course these can become controversial, but the value is not for arguing purposes, but to see what he and Geo filmed. Forget the politics. Just see and observe, learn what you can. Then after seeing it, form whatever conclusions you like. You will be a better educated person after having the experience of seeing some of the best LRL films ever made in any forum -- (that is, if Morgan decides to change his mind and allow the videos to be posted here). .

I hope this clears up any misunderstanding of what I posted.
Best wishes,
J_P

ps.
If Morgan never decides to post his demonstration videos here, then Maybe someday I will host an event for people to demonstrate their LRLs working live for forum members to see and test with their own hands. I can guarantee I will post the films showing what you would see at the event, and I won't care what kind of response posts I see, so nothing will stop me from posting videos for all the curious to see.

[Morgan]

Hi Theseus,
Yes, I did say that. It is what Morgan and Geo planned, and what I posted. I had no clue Morgan would change his mind at the last minute, or else I would not have said videos would be posted for all to see. But he did change his mind, so what I believed and posted did not occur. Possibly he will post his videos in the future. It was Morgan's decision to change his mind about making these videos public, not mine. So I can see why some people are hoping he will reconsider and post the videos for all to see. If it were my choice, I would definitely post the videos.

Maybe someday I will post videos of my own here showing LRL demonstrations. I could care less what people think, post and conclude about what they see. If they don't agree with my demonstration methods, conclusions or opinions, or want to make prejudiced comments before the videos are shown, it is ok by me. But for now we are dealing with Morgan who has decided he does not appreciate the comments he received just before he was to post his videos.

As far as it being a little late to try and draw a clear distinction between the terms demonstration and test, I doubt this is the case. As I recall, I have been saying it is a demonstration all along, open to all forum members. And the only testing I referred to was that Morgan and the attendees would be able to test them out to see if they work or not. I can never recall saying there would be any kind of scientific testing or double blind type. I thought everyone understood that. While I didn't make a point of it, I assumed that any attendees would be allowed to make any reasonable testing of the detectors to satisfy themselves to whether they are working or not, similar to how you might test out some metal detectors at a detector shop. I could forsee that any testing would be determined by the people who attended the demonstrations, so I purposely did not describe any specific preset format, only that the attendees at the demonstration would be able to test them. If you didn't understand it this way, then I am sorry I didn't get my message across to you clearly.

Also, I should mention, I have no connection to any LRL industry interests, nor am I affiliated with any hard-core skeptic groups or LRL lover groups. I maintain an independent stance so I can express my opinions without being predisposed to support any particular group. Unknown to most skeptics, I have always maintained that gold corrodes, sending ions in the soil from since my first post in Geotech many years ago. But it is also true that I never witnessed any machine live today demonstrating an LRL working, to detect any long-time buried gold, and I am not inclined to be convinced any machine can succeed until I see it working live in front of me where I can test it to my satisfaction to convince myself it works or does not work. As far as I am concerned, they are Santa Clause stories until I see something live in front of me that convinces me there is something more than fairy tales happening.

Well, I couldn't go to Morgan's demonstration/tests either, but I could do the next best thing... I could watch videos of it with him and other forum members showing what I would can be seen if I was there. This is the reason I made promotional posts for the Morgan demonstration/testing event. I wanted to see his live demonstrations/testing, and I wanted others to be able to see it too. This is the first time anyone on earth made a public demonstration of LRLs working live today for any forum members who want to see. It never happened before, and is truly a remarkable event.

I think Morgan's videos are very worthwhile for people to see what he filmed. Of course these can become controversial, but the value is not for arguing purposes, but to see what he and Geo filmed, and forget the politics. Just see and observe, learn what you can. Then after seeing it, form whatever conclusions you like. You will be a better educated person after having the experience of seeing some of the best LRL films ever made in any forum -- (If Morgan decides to change his mind and allow the videos to be posted here). .

I hope this clears up nay misunderstanding of what I posted.
Best wishes,
J_P

If Morgan never decides to post his demonstration videos, then Maybe someday I will host an event for people to demonstrate their LRLs working live for forum members to see and test with their own hands. I can guarantee I won't care what kind of response posts I see, so nothing will stop me from posting videos for all the curious to see.
Hi

For me no problem to put public this LRL videos.
I not use any kind of magic:)
My mind is free,my presence here is not to deceive the forum members,all the tests show only that PHENOMENON is REAL.

Regards

[J_Player]

Hi

For me no problem to put public this LRL videos.
I not use any kind of magic:)
My mind is free,my presence here is not to deceive the forum members,all the tests show only that PHENOMENON is REAL.

RegardsHi Morgan,
I know you have no motive to decieve anyone. You only want to show what you discovered for the Alonso PD and other LRLs. You have made some truly remarkable videos that should be seen by all the curious people who want to know what you and Geo saw. I congratulate you for the effort you put into this event which I have never seen happen anywhere on earth before. Many thanks to you and Geo for your expense and time devoted to this effort. I will look forward to seeing your videos in this forum as soon as they can shown for all to see.

:super: :cheers: :thumb:

Best wishes,
J_P

[ivconic]

I suggest also the debate from there to be reposted here. I dont see a reason why not to repost here?
Also i not see reason for all that muss about videos.
Those are made purposelly to be posted here, so why those are not already here!?
My remarks on PD demonstration offended Morgan. Why? I am not obligated to like what i saw on videos. I am not obligated to say something i dont really mean. I see to much fishy moments and lacks on those videos and therefore i am ready to say that in public.
And for the end; videos presents pure demonstration - not testing.
Wait and see....
Regards!

[Theseus]

I think I understand your postings, J_P.

In regards to....

J_Player said; "Unknown to most skeptics, I have always maintained that gold corrodes, sending ions in the soil since my first posts in Geotech many years ago."

I am also of the opinion that noble metals enter into a kind of transfer with less noble metals, in a suitable electrolyte (perhaps like moist soil). The transfer is probably quite minute in strength and could involve ions, cations, etc. I do not, however, subscribe to the idea these charged particles somehow leave the confines of the electrolyte (soil) and congregate as a cloud or field above or adjacent to a deposit of noble metal. Hence, that leaves me extremely skeptical of any LRL device based on the detection of free floating ions.

Thus, my interest in seeing the videos from the Geo/Morgan test/demo. ;)

[Fred]

About Morgan´s videos:
LRL has been discussed here for YEARS.
And for the FIRST TIME we have someone who spend the time and accept to post videos, with no comercial interest.
I must applaude this.

[ivconic]

I think I understand your postings, J_P.

In regards to....

J_Player said; "Unknown to most skeptics, I have always maintained that gold corrodes, sending ions in the soil since my first posts in Geotech many years ago."

I am also of the opinion that noble metals enter into a kind of transfer with less noble metals, in a suitable electrolyte (perhaps like moist soil). The transfer is probably quite minute in strength and could involve ions, cations, etc. I do not, however, subscribe to the idea these charged particles somehow leave the confines of the electrolyte (soil) and congregate as a cloud or field above or adjacent to a deposit of noble metal. Hence, that leaves me extremely skeptical of any LRL device based on the detection of free floating ions.

Thus, my interest in seeing the videos from the Geo/Morgan test/demo. ;)


At least that is easy to check....with any ordinary ion detector.
Dont waste your time - already checked! No ion clouds in such conditions, at all! Bogus theory!

[Fred]

At least that is easy to check....with any ordinary ion detector.
Dont waste your time - already checked! No ion clouds in such conditions, at all! Bogus theory!

I think we all agree with that :
" I do not, however, subscribe to the idea these charged particles somehow leave the confines of the electrolyte (soil)..."

[J_Player]

I think I understand your postings, J_P.

In regards to....

J_Player said; "Unknown to most skeptics, I have always maintained that gold corrodes, sending ions in the soil since my first posts in Geotech many years ago."

I am also of the opinion that noble metals enter into a kind of transfer with less noble metals, in a suitable electrolyte (perhaps like moist soil). The transfer is probably quite minute in strength and could involve ions, cations, etc. I do not, however, subscribe to the idea these charged particles somehow leave the confines of the electrolyte (soil) and congregate as a cloud or field above or adjacent to a deposit of noble metal. Hence, that leaves me extremely skeptical of any LRL device based on the detection of free floating ions.

Thus, my interest in seeing the videos from the Geo/Morgan test/demo. ;)Hahahaaaaaa... :lol: :lol: :lol:
Cloud of ions hovering conveniently in the air above treasure so any ion detector will locate buried metal? Anybody who believes this must be retarded. Forget that it has been proved repeatedly with drift tubes and other ion detectors that these don't exist --- common sense tells us that the slightest wind would blow any alleged "gold ion cloud" away from the treasure area.

I am impressed that Alonso and Damasio concluded there is a column of ions above long-time buried metals, because this has been confirmed by countless scientifically conducted tests. But I think they formed a wrong conclusion when they published that the column of gold ions continues 7.2 feet above the ground.

My speculation is they used instruments to measure electrical charge fields (or other fields) in the air, and found somewhat consistent readings when their instruments were pointed in a direction up to 7.2 feet above a buried treasure. I have no idea what they were actually measuring, but I can't believe it was a cloud of gold ions. There can be many secondary geophysical effects above buried metals that might be measurable with suitable instruments. Maybe they measured something and erroneously concluded it was the same gold ions they knew were in the soil. The question that remains in my mind is: If they did not detect gold ions, then what did they find that can be detected 7.2 feet above a long time buried metal object?

The most obvious answer that comes to mind is a complex chain of interdependent mechanisms which would cause a large anomaly in the atmospheric charge gradient above long time buried metals. But this answer depends on a lot of hypothetical conditions to be met, which have never been tested. So my answer is I don't know what they detected, only that they reported it continues 7.2 feet above the ground where a buried metal object is buried.

This is part of the reason why I like to see videos and live demonstrations of LRLs working. If there is an LRL that can be shown to work consistently, then it can be used as a test instrument to explore the strange findings posted on the Mineoro website, and will maybe uncover the mystery of what this 7.2 feet in the air detection is all about. Of course, maybe it will be found that there is nothing to be detected 7.2 feet above buried metal... :rolleyes:

Best wishes,
J_P

[J_Player]

I think we all agree with that :
" I do not, however, subscribe to the idea these charged particles somehow leave the confines of the electrolyte (soil)..."Of course not!
Scientists have made tests which show that metal ions can leave buried metal particles and rise in the soil until they reach 10-30 cm below the surface. At this depth, they become bound with other elements in the soil to become compounds which are no longer ions. Then these metal compounds stay where they are, or are eroded away. (Or they may be excavated away by someone digging for a treasure). :cool:

Best wishes,
J_P

[detectoman]

hello all: the tries of morgan was made near of houses, farm, of trucks, possible electrical lines cellulars, trash, crap, for me ideal be tries in open field totally plane soil free of large rocks, trees, etc, not only whit medall objetive or coins, but jar full of coins of coper or silver, for see the distance of detection on big metal buried to hig depth may be 80 cms, too objetives of iron brass lead aluminum minerals, i understand the pd is not one spacial gpr, but see the advantages or limitations of these, i see the pd one little critice inestability, due may be to alonso go out inconcluse for came to experimentation whit ambicious dchs prototipe , pd is in comparation dish detector, dchs and mineoro two box because not detect little coins, pd is major detect coins and large objetives to near distance
mineoro detect to horizont dchs to medium range, absortive of esteban evervary medium and large and away
the pd can came whit modifications major what dchs ..

[detectoman]

the tion amazing' exist only in the mind of the maese my brodhy hung, i not see any in internet, any part, i want, where isssssssssssssss this miracle?, i remeber hung too give excesive fame for years to earlys mineoro where is? may be mineoro tries of morgan are whitout bateries, only 2oo8 give signal of compasion
the box of culebras of cousin morgan work major what last model of luxe of mineoro
my lrl detect spark i.5 v, to 1 mto
i not understand? what happen, may be mineoro factories not like give one functional aparatus, because regulation mundial of economy i major go to sleep

[Qiaozhi]

Please see new thread entitled "Morgan and Geo's Videos".

[hung]

the tion amazing' exist only in the mind of the maese my brodhy hung, i not see any in internet, any part, i want, where isssssssssssssss this miracle?, i remeber hung too give excesive fame for years to earlys mineoro where is? may be mineoro tries of morgan are whitout bateries, only 2oo8 give signal of compasion
the box of culebras of cousin morgan work major what last model of luxe of mineoro
my lrl detect spark i.5 v, to 1 mto
i not understand? what happen, may be mineoro factories not like give one functional aparatus, because regulation mundial of economy i major go to sleep

1 - Tyon is a designated upgrade for the FG80 and FG90 series and it's not an individual model.

2 - Assure yourself that I understood and know what's going on in each millisecond of Morgan's and Geo's videos. Just because the DC2006 has not detected his medal, means it will never do. Morgan also claimed that the DC2008 had not being able to do it and it does in the video. It's all a matter of calibration. The DC2006 had 4 knobs and it was hard to calibrate, although when well set, it was good also for small objects.
The PDC210 was not featured in the video, but it's my understanding, that tough problematic for small targets, in edge calibration it would have also picked his medal, altough he would need the center&deep to pinpoint it.

3 - Detection of 1.5v battery sparks at 1m does not mean it's a benchmark for 'gold sparks' range. Actually it's not. I tried different ferrite configs in my PD that raised battery sparks detecting range to up 1.6m, but not necessarily the same improvement for gold's range. The FG80Tyon for instance detects the 1.5v battery spark at only 40-50 cm. On the other hand, detected a fresh gold ring indoors at 1.8m.
Miracle? Not at all. Tuning.
Actually I talked to Mineoro this week and the one thing which might resemble a little miracle from Alonso will come up soon.

Don't die yet.:D

[Esteban]

Hi,
I think the same, I see no reason to hide them to the public. I also think that having Geo's stuff too is even more positive.

From my point of view it's a good idea the "premiere" stuff... with selected audience cause here on public RS there's the common ground that even very hard critics and massive jokes can take place (I'm an expert of that... btw).

In closed forum this bad behaviour is strongly reduced and people, both skeptics and belivers, are more focused on topic, on e.g. what's on the videos.

Here is a risk posting too early stuff... cause people could start wild jokes and default critics that don't help focus on what's inside these.

But I'm about sure they will be released soon also here, for anyone to see.

Kind regards,
Max

Expert! The King of the Clowns! :razz: :lol:

[Esteban]

???

Maybe the PaloAlto touched your few residual neurons ? :lol:

Kind regards,
Max

Well used... a few is more than billions don't used, like yours! :razz: :lol:

[Max]

Expert! The King of the Clowns! :razz: :lol:

Hmmmmm....

no... I'm just bishop... the King/Pope is Roma Nihil Maius... as you sure remember... ;)

Of course, you're archbishop... of clowns... and kiss his ring... me don't cause don't like that pope's related stuff... :D

Kind regards,
Max

[Max]

Well used... a few is more than billions don't used, like yours! :razz: :lol:

Hmmm....

not don't used... they are just relaxing... :D

Maybe after drunkness could start work full steam! :lol:

Kind regards,
Max

[Esteban]

Hmmmmm....

no... I'm just bishop... the King/Pope is Roma Nihil Maius... as you sure remember... ;)

Of course, you're archbishop... of clowns... and kiss his ring... me don't cause don't like that pope's related stuff... :D

Kind regards,
Max

I'm not expert in popes or bishop or archbishop... but I know one here.

Nihil Roma Maius... I'll contact with him and ask why he does not take part anymore.

Regards

[Max]

I'm not expert in popes or bishop or archbishop... but I know one here.

Nihil Roma Maius... I'll contact with him and ask why he does not take part anymore.

Regards

Maybe he's in tour... with circus ! :lol:

Kind regards,
Max

[detectoman]

yo antes llegue a creer que nihil roma maius era alonso, o damasio, eso es possible?

[Fred]

yo antes llegue a creer que nihil roma maius era alonso, o damasio, eso es possible?
Pues no eres el unico :D

[Max]

yo antes llegue a creer que nihil roma maius era alonso, o damasio, eso es possible?

Who knows...

maybe was just Esteban that used the mask of Zorro... :lol:

Kind regards,
Max

[detectoman]

you intencion is say what esteban can be alonso? gulp!
no lo habia pensado, may be, who if not alonso whit these experience

[Nihil Roma Maius]

Max, you're acting as a child, not as a man. Be a man. And do not do conjetures and presumptions toward others.

Regards

Nihil Roma Maius

[Esteban]

you intencion is say what esteban can be alonso? gulp!
no lo habia pensado, may be, who if not alonso whit these experience

Alonso is Alonso, nobody has his capability in LRL for metals.

[Esteban]

I read the epigraph down the Zorro pic. I am skeptical about the possibility that you could construct an electronic LRL.

[WM6]

Alonso is Alonso, nobody has his capability in LRL for metals.

Not only metal, nobody has his capability to put on a bunch paper money too.

[WM6]

Max, you're acting as a child, not as a man. Be a man. And do not do conjetures and presumptions toward others.

Regards

Nihil Roma Maius

Cause real man believe in LRL (Long Range Lubrication) and other tale story.

[Max]

Max, you're acting as a child, not as a man. Be a man. And do not do conjetures and presumptions toward others.

Regards

Nihil Roma Maius

He's back... :rolleyes:

Hmmm....

what to expect...??? :???:

[Max]

Alonso is Alonso, nobody has his capability in LRL for metals.

Hmmmm...

So he will sure explain here how to make a working long range pistol... I guess! :D

Or we must expect some other PaloAlto from there ??? :rolleyes:

Kind regards,
Max

[Max]

Max, you're acting as a child, not as a man. Be a man. And do not do conjetures and presumptions toward others.

Regards

Nihil Roma Maius

I'm a man ? Hmmm... let me see... seems so... watching down can still see IT! :lol:

But it's not an LRL dowsing rod...

well... at least I never used that way! :rolleyes:

Maybe during my next drunken state... will try... but I think someone will call police! :shocked:

Ops... forget that must use far from power lines.... maybe in farmland... or will arrive police too ??? Nevermind... will say that's for scientific purposes... :lol:

Kind regards,
Max

[Nihil Roma Maius]

Cause real man believe in LRL (Long Range Lubrication) and other tale story.

Res non verba.

[Nihil Roma Maius]

Not only metal, nobody has his capability to put on a bunch paper money too.

Maybe you're sure of your words.

[Max]

Res non verba.

Hmmmm...

he's the Pope... of LRL!

people run before he will ask you to genuflect and kiss his ring! ;)