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[Esteban]

Hmmmm...

he's the Pope... of LRL!

people run before he will ask you to genuflect and kiss his ring! ;)

ridiculus mus

[Nihil Roma Maius]

Hmmmm...

he's the Pope... of LRL!

people run before he will ask you to genuflect and kiss his ring! ;)

No! But you wish!

[Max]

Think about...

who uses today Latin ???

Just the Pope... of LRL! :lol:

Cause if you're not the Pope... are you maybe another bishop here ??? :cool:

Complicate stuff... that's of Paraguay! :D

Kind regards,
Max

[Max]

No! But you wish!

No... I don't....

I don't like the Pope... nor I like the Bishops... nor I like the other folks who belive in... what the Pope say! :lol:

I'm at the opposite... say that between Archbishop Milingo and Marilyn Manson , if I have to choose a new friend I will sure go for the last... :D

And sure I don't like the LRL-religion... that's for belivers! ;)

Kind regards,
Max

[Nihil Roma Maius]

No... I don't....

I don't like the Pope... nor I like the Bishops... nor I like the other folks who belive in... what the Pope say! :lol:

I'm at the opposite... say that between Archbishop Milingo and Marilyn Manson , if I have to choose a new friend I will sure go for the last... :D

And sure I don't like the LRL-religion... that's for belivers! ;)

Kind regards,
Max


LRL's nothing to do with popes, bishops and others... maybe you believe that you need to believe in religion for to be workable the devices. I not.

[Max]

LRL's nothing to do with popes, bishops and others... maybe you believe that you need to believe in religion for to be workable the devices. I not.

If I have no proofs , no facts how I can belive in something if not by faith ?

"Unfortunately", I have faith in science... that requires proofs and facts to elaborate theories and understanding of the world! :rolleyes:

That's why I cannot belive Pope's words... as well as claims about LRLs...

Kind regards,
Max

[Nihil Roma Maius]

If I have no proofs , no facts how I can belive in something if not by faith ?

"Unfortunately", I have faith in science... that requires proofs and facts to elaborate theories and understanding of the world! :rolleyes:

That's why I cannot belive Pope's words... as well as claims about LRLs...

Kind regards,
Max

Repeat:

LRL's nothing to do with popes, bishops and others... maybe you believe that you need to believe in religion for to be workable the devices. I not.
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[Max]

Repeat:

LRL's nothing to do with popes, bishops and others... maybe you believe that you need to believe in religion for to be workable the devices. I not.
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/images/misc/progress.gif

Do you have facts ? Proofs ? Schematics ?

Post them... people will see, evaluate and test... and if are real stuff LRL will become science then.

Otherwise how people can belive in that ?

You say no need to belive in religion... okay... but if so you have proofs and facts... and maybe schematics and working units...

Good for you.

I haven't and I'm not a blind beliver...so I can't belive something just cause I heard by you or Esteban... :rolleyes:

Kind regards,
Max

[Fred]

Esteban is cloning himself, is Max in danger?

[Max]

Esteban is cloning himself, is Max in danger?

Soon will use also the mask of Zorro...

I'm not scared... maybe will use his teleport to trasfer some LRLs at my place to test... but full of explosives !

I think not enough power to start the teleport for ninjas... :cool:

It's like MacGyver without... paper... :lol:

Kind regards,
Max

[gibon]

Ahhhh !!! Ohhhhh !!! Ouhhhhh!!!!!!

BRAVOO !!! BRAVOO !! BRAVISSIMO

CONGRATULATION CARL YOUR FORUM IS BECOMING A CIRCUS! :lol:

NOW WE HAVE GAG, WE HAVE JOKE AND EVEN WE HAVE A CLOWN

( HI MAX !! ).

I INVITE OWNER OF LRL OR POEPLE INTERESTED BY LRL TO LEAVE THIS FORUM TO AN OTHER PLACE.

LET BOZO LAUGH ABOUT ........ HIMSELF.

ADIOS BOZO

[Max]

Ahhhh !!! Ohhhhh !!! Ouhhhhh!!!!!!

BRAVOO !!! BRAVOO !! BRAVISSIMO

CONGRATULATION CARL YOUR FORUM IS BECOMING A CIRCUS! :lol:

NOW WE HAVE GAG, WE HAVE JOKE AND EVEN WE HAVE A CLOWN

( HI MAX !! ).

I INVITE OWNER OF LRL OR POEPLE INTERESTED BY LRL TO LEAVE THIS FORUM TO AN OTHER PLACE.

LET BOZO LAUGH ABOUT ........ HIMSELF.

ADIOS BOZO

new one ?

another Esteban clone ??? :rolleyes:

Use PaloAlto... and leave the forum for good... don't need you! :D

Adios burro! :razz:

Kind regards,
Max

[Esteban]

Ahhhh !!! Ohhhhh !!! Ouhhhhh!!!!!!

BRAVOO !!! BRAVOO !! BRAVISSIMO

CONGRATULATION CARL YOUR FORUM IS BECOMING A CIRCUS! :lol:

NOW WE HAVE GAG, WE HAVE JOKE AND EVEN WE HAVE A CLOWN

( HI MAX !! ).

I INVITE OWNER OF LRL OR POEPLE INTERESTED BY LRL TO LEAVE THIS FORUM TO AN OTHER PLACE.

LET BOZO LAUGH ABOUT ........ HIMSELF.

ADIOS BOZO


:cheers::super:

[hung]

Gibon,

Actually your complaints should not be directed to Carl. He's away from this forum for many months now and he's not caring about it anymore.

Your complaints should be directed to a notorious skepthic here who Carl delegated powers and who loves to see the 'circus into flames'.
Can you believe that this the Remote Sensing forum is moderated by a skepthic?:lol:

Anyway, I am maturing the idea of having an exclusive forum for LRL type subjects in which only LRL enthusiasts would join. I had talked about it with Esteban and few others here in the past. Only problem is my lack of time to run it. But due to the circumstances, this project might move forward.

Regards.

[Esteban]

Gibon,

Actually your complaints should not be directed to Carl. He's away from this forum for many months now and he's not caring about it anymore.

Your complaints should be directed to a notorious skepthic here who Carl delegated powers and who loves to see the 'circus into flames'.
Can you believe that this the Remote Sensing forum is moderated by a skepthic?:lol:

Anyway, I am maturing the idea of having an exclusive forum for LRL type subjects in which only LRL enthusiasts would join. I had talked about it with Esteban and few others here in the past. Only problem is my lack of time to run it. But due to the circumstances, this project might move forward.

Regards.

It is OK.

[Qiaozhi]

Gibon,

Actually your complaints should not be directed to Carl. He's away from this forum for many months now and he's not caring about it anymore.

Your complaints should be directed to a notorious skepthic here who Carl delegated powers and who loves to see the 'circus into flames'.
Can you believe that this the Remote Sensing forum is moderated by a skepthic?:lol:

Anyway, I am maturing the idea of having an exclusive forum for LRL type subjects in which only LRL enthusiasts would join. I had talked about it with Esteban and few others here in the past. Only problem is my lack of time to run it. But due to the circumstances, this project might move forward.

Regards.
It's not often that I agree with Hung, but in this case he has a point. :shocked:

Let's have a reminder of the forum rules:

The term "remote sensing" is used to describe scientifically viable methods of detecting geophysical anomalies from a distance. It is also used to describe the less scientific method of "long-range locating", which is engulfed in controversy.

Note the sentence referring to "long-range locating". If you make outlandish claims then you must expect to be challenged. There is no need to get upset. Just state your case and move on.

This forum is for the open discussion of either method. Because LRL-oriented forums can quickly degrade into personal conflicts, this forum will be strictly controlled. Rules are still simple:

You must be a registered user to post here. Guests may read.
Be polite. Name calling will get you banned quickly.
Be factual. If you make an extraordinary claim, be prepared to get challenged.

In general, try not to take differences of opinions personally.

Recently this Remote Sensing Forum has degraded into a circus. In general we do not like to moderate this forum closely, although I have occasionally removed certain attachments.

Now here's the most important part:

Postings considered to be inflammatory can be reported to Admin by clicking the little red triangle icon at the top of each post. Please use this only when absolutely necessary... I would like to keep this forum as open as possible, and do not care to mediate every conversation.

... and nobody has reported a single post during the recent circus! Therefore the assumption is that everyone is happy with the current postings? :shrug:

Please can I ask everyone to cool it regarding the jokes, etc., and let's try to focus on the technical aspects of remote sensing and LRLs, whatever you consider them to be. :thumb:

Thanks again to Hung for pointing out the degradation in quality of recent posts.

[Esteban]

It's not often that I agree with Hung, but in this case he has a point. :shocked:

Let's have a reminder of the forum rules:

The term "remote sensing" is used to describe scientifically viable methods of detecting geophysical anomalies from a distance. It is also used to describe the less scientific method of "long-range locating", which is engulfed in controversy.

Note the sentence referring to "long-range locating". If you make outlandish claims then you must expect to be challenged. There is no need to get upset. Just state your case and move on.



This forum is for the open discussion of either method. Because LRL-oriented forums can quickly degrade into personal conflicts, this forum will be strictly controlled. Rules are still simple:

You must be a registered user to post here. Guests may read.
Be polite. Name calling will get you banned quickly.
Be factual. If you make an extraordinary claim, be prepared to get challenged.
In general, try not to take differences of opinions personally.

Recently this Remote Sensing Forum has degraded into a circus. In general we do not like to moderate this forum closely, although I have occasionally removed certain attachments.

Now here's the most important part:

Postings considered to be inflammatory can be reported to Admin by clicking the little red triangle icon at the top of each post. Please use this only when absolutely necessary... I would like to keep this forum as open as possible, and do not care to mediate every conversation.

... and nobody has reported a single post during the recent circus! Therefore the assumption is that everyone is happy with the current postings? :shrug:

Please can I ask everyone to cool it regarding the jokes, etc., and let's try to focus on the technical aspects of remote sensing and LRLs, whatever you consider them to be. :thumb:

Thanks again to Hung for pointing out the degradation in quality of recent posts.



You know when postings are inflammatory or not?

Humm! But if somebody don't let it, well, is better stop with technical aspects.

[Qiaozhi]

You know when postings are inflammatory or not?

Humm! But if somebody don't let it, well, is better stop with technical aspects.
I'm not sure what you're saying., but basically this forum is left to fend for itself, unless anyone raises an objection by reporting inflammatory posts. If it was closely monitored then admin would have a full-time job deleting posts and banning users.

By the way, Carl has not been away from the forum or not caring about it. The decision to add a second admin person was taken after the demise of Geotech during the Christmas period, when hackers managed to bring the site down for several weeks. Since then we have added further safeguards to prevent spamming and other unwanted nuisances. You may have noticed the improvement in the sevice. Now we just need the Remote Sensing Forum members to do their bit and quit posting inflammatory remarks. This means everyone. :D

[Max]

You know when postings are inflammatory or not?

Humm! But if somebody don't let it, well, is better stop with technical aspects.

Hmmmmm..... no circus... no humor... then just technical ???

ok lets back to technical...

I'll be glad to see a complete schematic or tuning instruction set by you...

If will happen I mean... I don't hold breath for it...

I asked you a number of times about technical stuff regarding LRLs... never get a complete answer ! My fault ??? My bad attitude ???

You guys made the mess each time posts that you can e.g. detect a coin at 2 or 70 meters... doesn't matter...just out of "normal" or "human" md ranges...and I added just humor and jokes... nothing more.

Each time someone challenge you and that's not just you Esteban but all LRL belivers and pretenders you start this victimism here...

Old story...

Kind regards,
Max

[Max]

I'm not sure what you're saying., but basically this forum is left to fend for itself, unless anyone raises an objection by reporting inflammatory posts. If it was closely monitored then admin would have a full-time job deleting posts and banning users.

By the way, Carl has not been away from the forum or not caring about it. The decision to add a second admin person was taken after the demise of Geotech during the Christmas period, when hackers managed to bring the site down for several weeks. Since then we have added further safeguards to prevent spamming and other unwanted nuisances. You may have noticed the improvement in the sevice. Now we just need the Remote Sensing Forum members to do their bit and quit posting inflammatory remarks. This means everyone. :D

Inflammatory ???

And who say what's inflammatory and what's not ??? Who will enstablish rules about ???

I mean... it's really personal point of view... and what's for me humor can be inflammatory for someone else...

Also, what's an unverified and unbelivable claim can be good and safe for those who belive in that... and VERY INFLAMMATORY to people that need proofs and facts like me.

Now... what's more inflammatory... that I say sometimes that someone plays with PaloAlto... and jokes like that (that are obviously jokes and don't pretend to be truth, of course) or that someone that say gold has DNA , or that a coin can be detected with an homemade pile of junk at 70meters ???

Inflammatory... we are not talking of gasoline and napalm here (or maybe yes?) but of something that become what people feel about.

So if I can stop any time with my stupid jokes can them stop polluting here with wild claims and impossibile ship-wrecks detection at 1mile under seawater done with a well known scam device ??? :rolleyes:

Victimism! just post a serious schematic, design, idea and physics theory and I will leave any joke for good... otherwise don't make claims here and pretend don't be challenged, even wildly and with jokes (why not ?), by me (and others).:D

Kind regards,
Max

[Esteban]

I'm not sure what you're saying., but basically this forum is left to fend for itself, unless anyone raises an objection by reporting inflammatory posts. If it was closely monitored then admin would have a full-time job deleting posts and banning users.

By the way, Carl has not been away from the forum or not caring about it. The decision to add a second admin person was taken after the demise of Geotech during the Christmas period, when hackers managed to bring the site down for several weeks. Since then we have added further safeguards to prevent spamming and other unwanted nuisances. You may have noticed the improvement in the sevice. Now we just need the Remote Sensing Forum members to do their bit and quit posting inflammatory remarks. This means everyone. :D

You know that I try to be serious, but can't do nothing causes disturbances. Filter now is enable. I understand that always the advice is against LRL experimenters/promoters, etc. But maybe you're part of the "skeptical club", and maybe this is the "reason" that you are not in the middle point. In understand. But remember: I'm not the person who ever start disturbing others.

[J_Player]

Inflammatory ???

And who say what's inflammatory and what's not ??? Who will enstablish rules about ???

I mean... it's really personal point of view... and what's for me humor can be inflammatory for someone else...

Also, what's an unverified and unbelivable claim can be good and safe for those who belive in that... and VERY INFLAMMATORY to people that need proofs and facts like me.

Now... what's more inflammatory... that I say sometimes that someone plays with PaloAlto... and jokes like that (that are obviously jokes and don't pretend to be truth, of course) or that someone that say gold has DNA , or that a coin can be detected with an homemade pile of junk at 70meters ???

Inflammatory... we are not talking of gasoline and napalm here (or maybe yes?) but of something that become what people feel about.

So if I can stop any time with my stupid jokes can them stop polluting here with wild claims and impossibile ship-wrecks detection at 1mile under seawater done with a well known scam device ??? :rolleyes:

Victimism! just post a serious schematic, design, idea and physics theory and I will leave any joke for good... otherwise don't make claims here and pretend don't be challenged, even wildly and with jokes (why not ?), by me (and others).:D

Kind regards,
MaxThere is one class of posts that nobody wants to read....
Not skeptics, not LRL proponents, and not casual visitors who come to read the forum.

This is the class of posts that makes no reference whatsoever to anything technical that anyone posted, and no reference to the topic of the thread, and is directed against a single other person using vulgar or derogatory language and images. This class of post carries no information of any value whatsoever, and is of no interest to anyone except the people who are sending these messages. The net result is these posts clog up the forum with a bunch of stupid stuff and make it hard for readers to find the technical information they are looking for.

We can safely eliminate this class of post without requiring any judgments to determine whether they are near the borderline of needing to be removed or not. I am sure nobody will miss these posts. And removing them will clear the forum for easier reading without having to hunt through pages of nothing to find something worth reading.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Qiaozhi]

Inflammatory ???

And who say what's inflammatory and what's not ??? Who will enstablish rules about ???

I mean... it's really personal point of view... and what's for me humor can be inflammatory for someone else...

Also, what's an unverified and unbelivable claim can be good and safe for those who belive in that... and VERY INFLAMMATORY to people that need proofs and facts like me.

Now... what's more inflammatory... that I say sometimes that someone plays with PaloAlto... and jokes like that (that are obviously jokes and don't pretend to be truth, of course) or that someone that say gold has DNA , or that a coin can be detected with an homemade pile of junk at 70meters ???

Inflammatory... we are not talking of gasoline and napalm here (or maybe yes?) but of something that become what people feel about.

So if I can stop any time with my stupid jokes can them stop polluting here with wild claims and impossibile ship-wrecks detection at 1mile under seawater done with a well known scam device ??? :rolleyes:

Victimism! just post a serious schematic, design, idea and physics theory and I will leave any joke for good... otherwise don't make claims here and pretend don't be challenged, even wildly and with jokes (why not ?), by me (and others).:D

Kind regards,
Max
I agree that it's very difficult to define the term "inflammatory", as everyone's interpretation may be different. Claims of detecting a ship-wreck 1 mile underwater, using some unknown pseudoscience, could also be considered a joke. However, there has been a flood of very silly jokes recently that many are finding quite tedious to read, resulting in members adding others to their ignore list. This is not very productive, and everyone needs to just use some commonsense when posting, and try to be more politically correct. Both Carl or I have better things to do than closely police this forum.

On the other hand the meeting between Geo and Morgan was a great event inspired by the Geotech Remote Sensing Forum. Whether you like or dislike what you saw in the videos is another story, but this is the sort of collaboration that should be going on here. I'm sure that skeptics and LRL believers will continue to agree to disagree for many years to come. But let's do it politely.

[Qiaozhi]

You know that I try to be serious, but can't do nothing causes disturbances. Filter now is enable. I understand that always the advice is against LRL experimenters/promoters, etc. But maybe you're part of the "skeptical club", and maybe this is the "reason" that you are not in the middle point. In understand. But remember: I'm not the person who ever start disturbing others.
I totally agree, and I hope you will get a chance to be serious from now on without disturbances. Personally I enjoy seeing the results of your experiments. I may not agree with the results, but I have never joked about them.

Yes - I am a skeptic, but if I was an LRL believer I would not be in the middle point either.

[Max]

I agree that it's very difficult to define the term "inflammatory", as everyone's interpretation may be different. Claims of detecting a ship-wreck 1 mile underwater, using some unknown pseudoscience, could also be considered a joke. However, there has been a flood of very silly jokes recently that many are finding quite tedious to read, resulting in members adding others to their ignore list. This is not very productive, and everyone needs to just use some commonsense when posting, and try to be more politically correct. Both Carl or I have better things to do than closely police this forum.

On the other hand the meeting between Geo and Morgan was a great event inspired by the Geotech Remote Sensing Forum. Whether you like or dislike what you saw in the videos is another story, but this is the sort of collaboration that should be going on here. I'm sure that skeptics and LRL believers will continue to agree to disagree for many years to come. But let's do it politely.

The videos ??? The jokes were not about the videos! :rolleyes:

But anyway... lets be more "politically correct"... why not ?

But about ignore lists... it's all fake... they play victimism each time things become harder...

Yes jokes, of course, but what is that ?

Is not a joke ?

And is it politically correct ?

Just someone that read could these posts could also belive it's truth and buy then one of that fine Mineoro's devices... :rolleyes:

Why not... let be politically correct! :lol:

Let people read here and spend thousand dollars for their fools gold...:cool:

Then usefulness of this forum will be sacrificed to this "politically correct" idea... why not ?

I'll do that way.

Kind regards,
Max

[Qiaozhi]

Just someone that read could these posts could also belive it's truth and buy then one of that fine Mineoro's devices... :rolleyes:

Why not... let be politically correct! :lol:

Let people read here and spend thousand dollars for their fools gold...:cool:

Then usefulness of this forum will be sacrificed to this "politically correct" idea... why not ?

I'll do that way.

Kind regards,
Max
Hi Max,

I'm not saying that you cannot disagree with the LRL claims. Of course you can do that. In fact, as a skeptic, it is your duty to assist the technically challenged. I wouldn't expect anything else... ;)

[hung]

It's not often that I agree with Hung, but in this case he has a point. :shocked:

Let's have a reminder of the forum rules:

The term "remote sensing" is used to describe scientifically viable methods of detecting geophysical anomalies from a distance. It is also used to describe the less scientific method of "long-range locating", which is engulfed in controversy.

Note the sentence referring to "long-range locating". If you make outlandish claims then you must expect to be challenged. There is no need to get upset. Just state your case and move on.



This forum is for the open discussion of either method. Because LRL-oriented forums can quickly degrade into personal conflicts, this forum will be strictly controlled. Rules are still simple:

You must be a registered user to post here. Guests may read.
Be polite. Name calling will get you banned quickly.
Be factual. If you make an extraordinary claim, be prepared to get challenged.
In general, try not to take differences of opinions personally.

Recently this Remote Sensing Forum has degraded into a circus. In general we do not like to moderate this forum closely, although I have occasionally removed certain attachments.

Now here's the most important part:

Postings considered to be inflammatory can be reported to Admin by clicking the little red triangle icon at the top of each post. Please use this only when absolutely necessary... I would like to keep this forum as open as possible, and do not care to mediate every conversation.

... and nobody has reported a single post during the recent circus! Therefore the assumption is that everyone is happy with the current postings? :shrug:

Please can I ask everyone to cool it regarding the jokes, etc., and let's try to focus on the technical aspects of remote sensing and LRLs, whatever you consider them to be. :thumb:

Thanks again to Hung for pointing out the degradation in quality of recent posts.



I appreciate your good sense of intervention as current adminstrator of this forum and I agree that it's very hard to keep an eye all the time on what happens here in terms of flaming and BS floating around, but you also have to admit that before your 'current job' you also were included in the package of skepthics who chose to ridicularize many of the LRL proponents claims, ideas and opinions. Specially my own.
Then things got out of hand and people such as Max and Jplayer started their picture galleries and cartoons regalia with Max now taking this to unaceptable limits.


I don't know about the other LRL proponents here, but I watch this forum to trade ideas about LRLs, techiniques involved and occasionally to help any Mineoro user here who happens to hang around.
I never had the intention to discuss my latest findings, prove any scientific discovery which is against 'officially released' science, or post any kind of working LRL schematics here.


Now let's get real. This will never happen among LRL proponents here. For the skepthics who in their wildest dreams thought they would come here facing someday a complete schematic of these devices, loose your hope. Don't be silly. The LRL proponents who develop their projects, such as Esteban and a few others, will never be that naive to publish their work in an open and public forum.
I think you people know the obvious reasons for that, but I think it's worth mention the reasons for those who are blinded by make believing...


They would never do it, because anyone can steal their project, ideas, concepts and in case they have idustrial capability, start to make money from it in a matter of seconds.


So, wake up and face reality.
But that does not justify the attacks, jokes and ridicule they are exposed in public. Treat them with respect and when you don't swallow their claims or ideas, simply say you don't agree. Respect they reserve themselves to omit details or keep it secret. Understand they cannot divulge it.


Start to act as 3 to 4 people I'm aware in this forum who never said a word against anything or anybody, did their homework and now have their LRLs working.


If the skepthics keep the jokes and the idiotic attitudes, I'm sure many here will leave this forum for a better option.

[Qiaozhi]

I appreciate your good sense of intervention as current adminstrator of this forum and I agree that it's very hard to keep an eye all the time on what happens here in terms of flaming and BS floating around, but you also have to admit that before your 'current job' you also were included in the package of skepthics who chose to ridicularize many of the LRL proponents claims, ideas and opinions. Specially my own.
Then things got out of hand and people such as Max and Jplayer started their picture galleries and cartoons regalia with Max now taking this to unaceptable limits.
OK - let's leave it there. :) Perhaps we can all agree to move on, even if skeptics and LRL proponents will continue to agree to disagree.

I'm sure if we all met in a bar somewhere we would get on just fine, even after a few beers. :cheers:

[WM6]

Hmmmmm..... no circus... no humor... then just technical ???

ok lets back to technical...

I'll be glad to see a complete schematic or tuning instruction set by you...

If will happen I mean... I don't hold breath for it...

I asked you a number of times about technical stuff regarding LRLs... never get a complete answer ! My fault ??? My bad attitude ???

You guys made the mess each time posts that you can e.g. detect a coin at 2 or 70 meters... doesn't matter...just out of "normal" or "human" md ranges...and I added just humor and jokes... nothing more.

Each time someone challenge you and that's not just you Esteban but all LRL belivers and pretenders you start this victimism here...

Old story...

Kind regards,
Max


Agree 100%. Here, I believe, nobody is against undiscovered science. In contrary. But must be science not something between religion, fairy tale, David Copperfieldism and fraudism (continued more or less disguised advertising mineoro and others fraudulent boxes).

Our kidding's are less for our enjoyment, and not in order to defend our skepticism, but primarily to protect the naive members here against propaganda tricks which ultimate goal is selling worthless goods by rude prices.

If the background would not be commercial but seriously deal with an undiscovered science, it has long away to seen here working schematic of these terrible LRL devices, but we have not and obvious will not too. We saw only a technical comics. Why, then, would not laugh?

So: Be factual. If you make an extraordinary claim, be prepared to get challenged.

And they are challenged nothing else.

They're not victims at all.

Victims are naive buyers of of expensive LRL crap.

As always.

Regretfully.

I can only repeat:

There is only one answer to all LRL believers, LRL promoters, LRL sellers, LRL producers and their Lawyers: come to my "regio" (testing field) and repeat such dummy tricks. I am willing to buy 20 gr gold medal with the inscription "LRL WINNER", and buried only 5 cm deep in soil, and if you manage to find it with any of yours LRL crappy toys, medal is yours. That medal is really buried at the end we prove by ordinary Chinese metal detector. And this is not all, I will add my written apology and promise to promote LRL in future.

So stop by blah blah loading here and prepare instead yourself on the real controlled test.

[Qiaozhi]

Our kidding's are less for our enjoyment, and not in order to defend our skepticism, but primarily to protect the naive members here against propaganda tricks which ultimate goal is selling worthless goods by rude prices.
If you are referring to your spoof LRL posting, then please don't misunderstand me. This was not one of the jokes in question. In fact, you may remember that I also posted a spoof pseudo-scientific description of the Ranger Tell Examiner some years ago, and it actually got posted on their website as as an excellent description of the underlying "science". How naive!

To most people here your posting was obviously a spoof, and quite funny. LRL proponents could also see that, and could simply choose to ignore it. Unfortunately there were some members here who did believe it to be real. This was due to English not being their first language, or maybe not good enough to see that it was "tongue-in-cheek". So sometimes you have be careful.

Some LRL manufacturers, who post here, often get a hard ride, but I'm sure they have thick skins and get the same treatment elsewhere as well. It comes with the territory. However, the amateur experimentors should be given more leeway, and allowed to describe their experiments without constant barracking.

Hope you understand my concern.

[WM6]

Hope you understand my concern.



I think you are doing what administrator have to do.

It must be some clarification from time to time.

I hope we all are open minded with different knowledge and experience. This is what we are here. To exchange our knowledge and experience. But there is a line that delineating the technical knowledge from religion. It is hard to exchange religion beliefs and experience between believers and technical skeptics if believers provide only religion in different form.

Of course religion per se is not problem, this is a private matter, until it not try to sell itself costly. When this happens, they offer itself in the comment. Here we are.

[Morgan]

The videos ??? The jokes were not about the videos! :rolleyes:

But anyway... lets be more "politically correct"... why not ?

But about ignore lists... it's all fake... they play victimism each time things become harder...

Yes jokes, of course, but what is that ?

Is not a joke ?

And is it politically correct ?

Just someone that read could these posts could also belive it's truth and buy then one of that fine Mineoro's devices... :rolleyes:

Why not... let be politically correct! :lol:

Let people read here and spend thousand dollars for their fools gold...:cool:

Then usefulness of this forum will be sacrificed to this "politically correct" idea... why not ?

I'll do that way.

Kind regards,
Max
Hi Max

Its realy amazing that Esteban can detect one single coin at 70m distance. But with Alonso Pistoldetector this distances are not possible.
Unfortunatly the LRL videos are not convincent specialy for the skeptics,anyway i insist to tell you and Forum that PD works and me or Geo not use any kind of fake sistem to deceive and make people here believe in something that is impossible.

Regards

[Morgan]

OK - let's leave it there. :) Perhaps we can all agree to move on, even if skeptics and LRL proponents will continue to agree to disagree.

I'm sure if we all met in a bar somewhere we would get on just fine, even after a few beers. :cheers:
Yes,you are rigth,just remember some time ago when we start building the Pistoldetektor,and Geo cant put it to work as LRL,he also said PD is a fraud,but you can see now he as diferent opinion,he travel just to see the truth and with his recent and sucessful experience with PD, HE BELIEVES !!! after all we become good friends.

[Fred]

It doens´t mean sckeptics cannot be convinced ;)

[Esteban]

Agree 100%. Here, I believe, nobody is against undiscovered science. In contrary. But must be science not something between religion, fairy tale, David Copperfieldism and fraudism (continued more or less disguised advertising mineoro and others fraudulent boxes).

Our kidding's are less for our enjoyment, and not in order to defend our skepticism, but primarily to protect the naive members here against propaganda tricks which ultimate goal is selling worthless goods by rude prices.

If the background would not be commercial but seriously deal with an undiscovered science, it has long away to seen here working schematic of these terrible LRL devices, but we have not and obvious will not too. We saw only a technical comics. Why, then, would not laugh?

So: Be factual. If you make an extraordinary claim, be prepared to get challenged.

And they are challenged nothing else.

They're not victims at all.

Victims are naive buyers of of expensive LRL crap.

As always.

Regretfully.

I can only repeat:

There is only one answer to all LRL believers, LRL promoters, LRL sellers, LRL producers and their Lawyers: come to my "regio" (testing field) and repeat such dummy tricks. I am willing to buy 20 gr gold medal with the inscription "LRL WINNER", and buried only 5 cm deep in soil, and if you manage to find it with any of yours LRL crappy toys, medal is yours. That medal is really buried at the end we prove by ordinary Chinese metal detector. And this is not all, I will add my written apology and promise to promote LRL in future.

So stop by blah blah loading here and prepare instead yourself on the real controlled test.

Do you believe that somebody will expend money in travels thousands kilometers, hotel, etc., to your patio for an only medal? Your proposition is very unbelievable.

Be factual.

[Esteban]

Hi Max

Its realy amazing that Esteban can detect one single coin at 70m distance. But with Alonso Pistoldetector this distances are not possible.
Unfortunatly the LRL videos are not convincent specialy for the skeptics,anyway i insist to tell you and Forum that PD works and me or Geo not use any kind of fake sistem to deceive and make people here believe in something that is impossible.

Regards

Was pistol made by Alonso, but no has much depth. Was PD but without ferrite. In remote area, no interferences. And never I claim a shipwreck at 1 mile.

[Esteban]

I agree that it's very difficult to define the term "inflammatory", as everyone's interpretation may be different. Claims of detecting a ship-wreck 1 mile underwater, using some unknown pseudoscience, could also be considered a joke. However, there has been a flood of very silly jokes recently that many are finding quite tedious to read, resulting in members adding others to their ignore list. This is not very productive, and everyone needs to just use some commonsense when posting, and try to be more politically correct. Both Carl or I have better things to do than closely police this forum.

On the other hand the meeting between Geo and Morgan was a great event inspired by the Geotech Remote Sensing Forum. Whether you like or dislike what you saw in the videos is another story, but this is the sort of collaboration that should be going on here. I'm sure that skeptics and LRL believers will continue to agree to disagree for many years to come. But let's do it politely.

When somebody use words as "haggard" (the real fact is that I use dark lenses!) and other words against the person, isn't inflammatory this? If not inflammatory, is nazism! No victimism, nazism!

[Qiaozhi]

When somebody use words as "haggard" (the real fact is that I use dark lenses!) and other words against the person, isn't inflammatory this? If not inflammatory, is nazism! No victimism, nazism!
Hi Esteban,

I don't understand what you're trying to say. I have searched for the word "haggard" in the forums, and it cannot be found except in your post above. By the way, the word "haggard" means "wild looking", especially from fatigue or worry. It doesn't seem inflammatory at all.

Anyway you should see a decrease in the spamming you've been receiving recently. Please keep posting the results of your experiments.

[J_Player]

Hi Esteban,
Anyway you should see a decrease in the spamming you've been receiving recently. Please keep posting the results of your experiments.Yes,
Nice to see the spamming gone. I was going to reports some spam a while back, but it seems to have disappeared. Nice to know somebody is taking care of business here.

Best wishes,
J_P

[WM6]

Do you believe that somebody will expend money in travels thousands kilometers, hotel, etc., to your patio for an only medal? Your proposition is very unbelievable.

Be factual.

If I am factual, Carl living closer to you, and his proposal for demo of working LRL is still open. 10.000 dollars as I remember, you cannot be in debt (if you not chose Las Vegas for testing field of course).

Another factual possibilities. You send your best LRL to person of your trust near to me, no need of long and expensive travel, only one day visit and they will be my guest. I hide medal (20 gr medal cost 1000 Eur tell me at jewelry - dream (never) finding for most detectorist) in an area of about football field size. Ten minutes piece of cake for all mineoros, but they have three full hours to find medal. I'm going to withdraw (prepare for picnic) so that I will neither help nor disturb. Video will be taked by someone who does not know where the hidden medal is, you can take with your own cameraman too. After three hours of not finding medal, we will find it with cheap Chinese or more cheapest homemade detector. Mean very simple test, no tricks, no "as scamming on TV" shows, only pure factual reality: LRL is working or LRL is not working.The weather may be of your choice, so no excuses on humidity etc.

Can be more factual?

[Morgan]

If I am factual, Carl living closer to you, and his proposal for demo of working LRL is still open. 10.000 dollars as I remember, you cannot be in debt (if you not chose Las Vegas for testing field of course).

Another factual possibilities. You send your best LRL to person of your trust near to me, no need of long and expensive travel, only one day visit and they will be my guest. I hide medal (20 gr medal cost 1000 Eur tell me at jewelry - dream (never) finding for most detectorist) in an area of about football field size. Ten minutes piece of cake for all mineoros, but they have three full hours to find medal. I'm going to withdraw (prepare for picnic) so that I will neither help nor disturb. Video will be taked by someone who does not know where the hidden medal is, you can take with your own cameraman too. After three hours of not finding medal, we will find it with cheap Chinese or more cheapest homemade detector. Mean very simple test, no tricks, no "as scamming on TV" shows, only pure factual reality: LRL is working or LRL is not working.The weather may be of your choice, so no excuses on humidity etc.

Can be more factual?
You forget that this gold medal need to be buried, and only after many years phenomenon grow enough for LRL to detect the medal ...
Of course in your conditions is impossible for any LRL to find the object.

[WM6]

You forget that this gold medal need to be buried, and only after many years phenomenon grow enough for LRL to detect the medal ...
Of course in your conditions is impossible for any LRL to find the object.

OK, I will hide now and than we will see us on test in one of next life.

Please don't reincarnate yourself as Tartuffe.

But interesting, on your field gold can be freshly buried and your LRL beeps, on my terrain gold have to be buried at least 500 of years to give your LRL enough phenomenon to detect. Phenomenal.

[Esteban]

OK, I will hide now and than we will see us on test in one of next life.

Please don't reincarnate yourself as Tartuffe.

But interesting, on your field gold can be freshly buried and your LRL beeps, on my terrain gold have to be buried at least 500 of years to give your LRL enough phenomenon to detect. Phenomenal.

No problem for you with items buried for 500 years, common in all Europe or Asia. Also you can found treasure easily with a simple FM radio with some adds. And this is not La chasse au Renard.

[Max]

No problem for you with items buried for 500 years, common in all Europe or Asia. Also you can found treasure easily with a simple FM radio with some adds. And this is not La chasse au Renard.

Ok... no jokes...

But explain how the heck you detect a treasure with " a simple FM radio with some adds". :rolleyes:

Kind regards,
Max

[Esteban]

Hi Esteban,

I don't understand what you're trying to say. I have searched for the word "haggard" in the forums, and it cannot be found except in your post above. By the way, the word "haggard" means "wild looking", especially from fatigue or worry. It doesn't seem inflammatory at all.

Anyway you should see a decrease in the spamming you've been receiving recently. Please keep posting the results of your experiments.

Deppend of context, but is attack to the person. I'm not refered to Palo Alto and others...


http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15716&page=6 (http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15716&page=6)



http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15742 (http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15742)

[Fred]

No problem for you with items buried for 500 years, common in all Europe or Asia. Also you can found treasure easily with a simple FM radio with some adds. And this is not La chasse au Renard.

:lol: :thumb:

[Max]

Deppend of context, but is attack to the person. I'm not refered to Palo Alto and others...


http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15716&page=6 (http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15716&page=6)



http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15742 (http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15742)

residual victimism ???

I stopped jokes... what I have to do ???

Don't post at all ???

Let me know...

Kind regards,
Max

[Qiaozhi]

Deppend of context, but is attack to the person. I'm not refered to Palo Alto and others...


http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15716&page=6 (http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15716&page=6)



http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15742 (http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15742)
OK - very strange. When I search the forums I cannot find this post by using the word "haggard". Must be a problem with the search function.

[J_Player]

Hi Esteban,
The Max war is finished.

No es necesario para tener preocupación de ataques del Max. Max ha sido advertido a parar todos chistes malos contra usted y contra otros miembros de foro. AsÃ* que no más Palo Alto y otros chistes malos serán hechos en el foro.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Fred]

Hi Esteban,
The Max war is finished.

No es necesario para tener preocupación de ataques del Max. Max ha sido advertido a parar todos chistes malos contra usted y contra otros miembros de foro. AsÃ* que no más Palo Alto y otros chistes malos serán hechos en el foro.

Best wishes,
J_P

.... a no ser que pides por favor :lol:

[Esteban]

Hi Esteban,
The Max war is finished.

No es necesario para tener preocupación de ataques del Max. Max ha sido advertido a parar todos chistes malos contra usted y contra otros miembros de foro. AsÃ* que no más Palo Alto y otros chistes malos serán hechos en el foro.

Best wishes,
J_P

As you know, is in my ignore list. Is better for him, is better for me.

Regards

[RIMES]

Hello,
I bought a faulty unit FG 90, looking for the reference of the U5 integrated circuitry as shown in the photo, thank you for your help
(please how I can insert an image?)

[Geo]

When you make a post goto Additional options and click Manage Attachments.
Post a photo from the ic that you want details....

[RIMES]

Hello,
Tks Geo
I bought a faulty unit FG 90, looking for the reference of the U5 integrated circuitry as shown in the photo, thank you for your help.

[Geo]

Behkli, can you post a photo from all the main board????

[RIMES]

Thank you Geo;
This is a first part

[RIMES]

This is a 2 part

[RIMES]

This is a photo N 3

[RIMES]

Mineoro FG 90

[Geo]

Hi Behkli.
Please look your mesages.

[brasilpb]

http://i58.tinypic.com/2z81ezn.jpg

[brasilpb]

This is a way to check if your long-distance device is able to detect the ions of metals. The movement of the battery negative to positive ions creates a RF wave, which is capable of being detected by a sensitive detector.

[Geo]

I dont think so!!!!.
Can you explain it more!!!
I have many lrls workable..... to test it but i hear it first time.

[FrancoItaly]

It could be very interesting, when I go back to Italy I'll definitely try, but as Geo says, it would be interesting to know other details.
Regards

[brasilpb]

http://i61.tinypic.com/i3t10j.jpg

[brasilpb]

The movement of ions caused by the electrolysis, generates an RF signal at various frequencies. and a tuned receiver to each of these frequencies would be able to detect this effect.
* Based on this experience, it would be virtually impossible to find a gold ring in a dry soil should be moist soil, to be able to happen these lose or gain ions.

[Geo]

What about the coils (transformer)????

[WM6]

This will never work. You need plasma ball:

http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/x/plasma-generator-ball-smooth-magenta-blue-flames-isolated-black-background-32209785.jpg

[brasilpb]

This adapter plugged into that circuit is just to check the various frequencies generated by electrolysis, can be any reverse connected transformer.

[brs]

Well done Mr.brasilpb
It would be almost impossible to find a gold ring in dry soil should be Alterphrdobhnam

this is the truth can not be buried metal that reacts only with moist soil

[FrancoItaly]

Obviously each trasformer works on a narrow range of frequency. I have some doubts that the "phenomenon" is due solely to an ionic current. The fact that a LRL may reveal the presence of ions may be a side effect, as it happens for other disturbs (cell phones, TV, etc.). However the LRL works even in wet or dry soils. I have not found great differences.

[taxma1981]

Pdk 77.7 khz


strange phenomenon like this with the charger plugged in did not ring, when only the unplug



https://youtu.be/fMziU5C9W0g

[Geo]

Pdk 77.7 khz


strange phenomenon like this with the charger plugged in did not ring, when only the unplug



https://youtu.be/fMziU5C9W0g


Did you read anything about PDK at this thread???
If you want to speak about PDK or gold gun or ... open a new thread. Don't f@ck every thread...
"μην γαμας το καθε θεμα με τις μαλακιες. Μαθε να σεβεσαι τα αλλα θεματα και τα αλλα μελη εαν θελεις να σεβαστουν και αυτοι εσενα".

[taxma1981]

I wrote about the phenomenon, that is strange ... I put the example video:lol:

[brasilpb]

private video, I could not see.

[taxma1981]

private video, I could not see.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMziU5C9W0g&feature=youtu.be

[brasilpb]

Thank you friend, now I could watch the video.

[taxma1981]

This ist the circuit of the charger
http://s10.postimg.org/84e6yolb9/20151018_015344.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/84e6yolb9/)

[RIMES]

Hi,
The IC5 can be CA3130?

[Geo]

Hi.
You must know that FG90 can't detect fresh gold so don't worry for it.
I am afraid that the missing IC is a 555. If you measure the voltage at pin1 and pin8 and you read a voltage of 9V then it is a 555. If Voltage between pin4 and pin8 is zero but between pin4 and pin7 is 9v then it is a single op.amp as 3130, 3140, 741, TL061 etc try what you have.
Please inform us about the voltage results.
FG80 don't have the U5 and the other IC right of the ion chamber
Also inform me about the IC type (number.... right of chamber), i think that is a 324....

Regards:)

[RIMES]

Hi,
Thank you Geo.
Here is a picture of the ion chamber area, all their baseline IC are cleared as the photo shows.

[RIMES]

I measured the voltage between the pins 1 and 8, I found 9.70 V.

[WM6]

What a waste of electronic parts. Take it away, one could build something really useful.

[Geo]

I measured the voltage between the pins 1 and 8, I found 9.70 V.

Also you can measure at pin1 and pin4, must be again 9.7V. If yes then it is a 555.
I believe that it is an oscillator for an IR Led at front of pcb.
My opinion is that it is not neccesary to connect it.

[Geo]

Behkli, can you tell me who is the capacity of 3 yellow capacitors beside the toroid coil??

[Geo]

What a waste of electronic parts. Take it away, one could build something really useful.

Hi Jaka.
In practice, Mineoro is a RF receiver. They can make it better but i think that they don't like a different design.

[RIMES]

Behkli, can you tell me who is the capacity of 3 yellow capacitors beside the toroid coil??
Hi,
this device has been short circuited (poles inverted stack).
For yellow capacitors, the figures, I believe, are 103, 561 and 561 (very small).

[Geo]

Thanks for info about capacitors.
What do you mean with "device has been short circuited (poles inverted stack)", how poles inverted???

[Qiaozhi]

Thanks for info about capacitors.
What do you mean with "device has been short circuited (poles inverted stack)", how poles inverted???
I think he means that the batteries were inserted the wrong way round.

[Geo]

I think he means that the batteries were inserted the wrong way round.

Yes, but in who state is now, did he replace the voltage regulator or not.
From the voltage that read at U5 i believe that there is not any problem.

[RIMES]

Yes, but in who state is now, did he replace the voltage regulator or not.
From the voltage that read at U5 i believe that there is not any problem.
I have not replaced the regulator, until now, I bought one today and I will have replaced and I will give you the result,
Thank you for all.

[Geo]

I believe that the voltage regulator is OK because output is near to 9V. If it was faulty then the out would be near to 18V or zero.
If you try to replace it try to take a photo of full pcb.
I must remember you that Mineoro detects only no iron objects buried many years ago (if weather conditions are good..... (temperature and moisture)), and not fresh gold as rings!!!.

[RIMES]

But watched the test for this device has been achieved on a ring.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBNvr7xpQwg

[RIMES]

Hi,
This is a full PCB of FG90

[Geo]

I believe that the voltage regulator is OK because output is near to 9V. If it was faulty then the out would be near to 18V or zero.
If you try to replace it try to take a photo of full pcb.
I must remember you that Mineoro detects only no iron objects buried many years ago (if weather conditions are good..... (temperature and moisture)), and not fresh gold as rings!!!.

Yes, but if the video is True and not false (for promotion reason... to show how it works) then the ring is inside the sand for many years. A noble objects needs to be buried for many years so to create a big field called by many people (and me) "phenomeno".
You can check the Mineoro with a signal generator. Do you have one????

[Geo]

Thanks for photo of PCB but i need the component side.
Thanks:)

[Geo]

Behkli, look your email.

:)

[RIMES]

Hi,
2 wires, one black and one red and they are go to the wood base of chamber. What is connected from the other side???
The 2 wires connected to the IR.

[RIMES]

if someone a question before reassembling the device,
Best regards.

[Geo]

Thanks Behkli
I would like a better photo of soldering side at the place of U6.
Also where is connecting (near to chamber) the shielding wire (Q8) ?
Up of the chamber are there 2 coils (rf chokes) or one with center tap???

Do you have signal generator to test the receiver of FG90?
As i calculated it is tuned at 34.5 Khz

Regards

[RIMES]

Hi,
(I would like a better photo of soldering side at the place of U6.) I have a large photo so I have to send it by email.
the shielding wire is connect to the ionic chamber http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showpost.php?p=151803&postcount=348
(
Up of the chamber are there 2 coils (rf chokes) or one with center tap???)I did not understand your question.
I do not have a signal generator.

[RIMES]

Geo, look your email.

[RIMES]

for after what I did on the U6, I think it's LM348 or LM324.
it may or not ??????

[Geo]

for after what I did on the U6, I think it's LM348 or LM324.
it may or not ??????

It is LM324.

[mokkethon80]

hye guy can i see inside the schematic meniero what comp:)onen

[mokkethon80]

Qiozhi can u tel me what is the nomber inside the mineoro photo white color ic

[Qiaozhi]

Qiozhi can u tel me what is the nomber inside the mineoro photo white color ic
No idea. You will have to ask someone who owns a Mineoro.

[Geo]

Qiozhi can u tel me what is the nomber inside the mineoro photo white color ic

Try a TIL111, but it is only for the battery voltage reading.

[mokkethon80]

I love mineoro FM/90

[mokkethon80]

Try a TIL111, but it is only for the battery voltage reading.

Thank geo

[mokkethon80]

what all component inside mineoro in the transmite please help me..:frown:

[Jeg]

what all component inside mineoro in the transmite please help me..:frown:


Hi
Do you have any of the mineoro's circuits at all? FG80? FG79? They are all the same with minor changes.

Here is the FG79. It uses a microcontroller for the beep beep section!

http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17318


FG80 uses 93KHz for modulation instead of 10Hz





ps. The white IC is a simple opto-isolator

[Geo]

FG80, FG90 and DC2008 has different schematic than FG79

[Geo]

Does anyone know this circuit. which circuit it may be. What can it offer to the normal circuit of FG90?
https://www.flickr.com/photos/123194831@N02/50299642156/in/dateposted-public/

Circuit inside the red circle is a magnetic field detector.

[brasilpb]

just to detect magnet or iron, I think that only what works for 'to detect gold is its electromagnetic field detector circuit, if I had one in hand I would do the test which frequency is more sensitive, I would connect a coil at the output of a function generator and the frequency would vary to see which one is more sensitive, I believe it is in the range close to about 100khz.

[Geo]

I believe that even Mineoro knows it.
At every model uses different frequency!!!

[Douglass]

(Aluminio) I see that it has a strong relationship with silver and gold .... in resonances, Maybe with the cat's jump it only harvests gold and silver GEO ???:)

[Geo]

At a weak signal maybe to discriminate between gold and aluminium or ferrous objects.
But when the field is strong then they catch every metal.

[ishtar hunter]

FG80, FG90 and DC2008 has different schematic than FG79
Hi dear geo
Do you know the type of infrared transmitter and receiver lead ?

[humhum]

just to detect magnet or iron, I think that only what works for 'to detect gold is its electromagnetic field detector circuit, if I had one in hand I would do the test which frequency is more sensitive, I would connect a coil at the output of a function generator and the frequency would vary to see which one is more sensitive, I believe it is in the range close to about 100khz.

This is so like PD ,seting for precious Metals . Works gain is %100 only with MW Radio station wave .

[Geo]

Hi dear geo
Do you know the type of infrared transmitter and receiver lead ?

Where did you see a receiver led????

[Locator]

Hello,
do you think that Mineoro fg-90 works with the help of a radio station in VLF or MW

or it can work and without help?

[kostas87]

Hello,
do you think that Mineoro fg-90 works with the help of a radio station in VLF or MW

or it can work and without help?

If you do a little research you will see that there is a possibility to activate the detector with cw waves, in the mineoro factory there is an Antenna with high power, in Portugal there is an Antenna with very high power also in Africa too. There the devices work a little.

All of them (phenomenon sensors) have never worked well in Greece except in a few isolated cases. look for devices with stable energy sources that can be detected from a short distance such as with the help of sunlight, and in theory perhaps a device that produces cw and receives the reflections of the waves, it is proven that the cw waves are recalled by the noble metal .κ.λ.π.

[Geo]

Hello,
do you think that Mineoro fg-90 works with the help of a radio station in VLF or MW

or it can work and without help?

Chris, if phenomenon is strong... don't need any help.
Problem with Mineoro is that they need modify for better sensitivity so to be more workable.

[Locator]

Chris, if phenomenon is strong... don't need any help.
Problem with Mineoro is that they need modify for better sensitivity so to be more workable.


George,do you believe that Mineoro FG-90 is more sensitive than FG-80?


Regards

[humhum]

Hello,
do you think that Mineoro fg-90 works with the help of a radio station in VLF or MW

or it can work and without help?

Mineoro Tube is Ionic Antenna for find from Distance precious Metal and works with very High wave (Ghz) ,
But Mineoro Electromagnetic Loop Receiver is for Locate place of buried and also for Deep meter , works with Radio waves from 50Khz to 150Khz .

[Geo]

George,do you believe that Mineoro FG-90 is more sensitive than FG-80?


Regards

No. They have the same (exactly) receiver. Only diference is the working frequency.
Also they have same sensitivity.

[Locator]

Fg-80 works at 91khz but Fg-90 in which frequency?

[Geo]

somewhere betwen 35 and 40 khz.
I don't remember exactly, but don't you think that its critical

[abdou2014]

Thank you ,

how tested our magnetic receiver mineoro, does it react to a magnet or to a spark ???

[Geo]

Thank you ,

how tested our magnetic receiver mineoro, does it react to a magnet or to a spark ???

I never tried a magnet. DC2008 and FG80 reacts to battery spark from 60..70 cm.
Also i never tried FG90 on battery spark.

[abdou2014]

Thank you :) I think it detects the spark with the second receiver (electric) and not with the magnetic loop circuit , I want to know what is the reaction of the magnetic loop circuit alone , did you do a test with your mineoro clone

[Geo]

I have try it at both versions... (Original and modified). The reaction is from magnetic receiver, not from electric.

[abdou2014]

Thank you, I am missing the values between the audio amplifier and the beep generator if it's not too much to ask :)

[abdou2014]

I tried with a small audio transformer, a little stable, detected a 1.5 v spark from 1.5 meter :)

[abdou2014]

with some modification , 2.5 meter, it's amazing :)

[abdou2014]

is the ferrite antenna in the frame a stimulator ???

[brain]

Thank you, I am missing the values between the audio amplifier and the beep generator if it's not too much to ask :)

Can you post this schematic?

[abdou2014]

excuse me my friend, but I don't, I use my own scheme

[brain]

excuse me my friend, but I don't, I use my own scheme

I said the schematic in the picture

[abdou2014]

I do not have the values of the components of the diagram, I use another receiver

[Geo]

is the ferrite antenna in the frame a stimulator ???

I don't think.
But... only Esteban knows it, if he still remember it.

[abdou2014]

Thank you Geo , there is something weird, I feed both receiver and beep circuits with a 9v battery and 5v regulator,
As the battery works too much and the voltage decreases, I can calibrate my receiver in a very sensitive position 2.5 meters for a 1.5v wire, and when the battery is recharging it cannot be in this position.

[abdou2014]

I noticed when the beep gives sound, the receiver led goes out, it's like a ballance , and if each circuit has its own battery, I will not have this results

[Geo]

Thank you Geo , there is something weird, I feed both receiver and beep circuits with a 9v battery and 5v regulator,
As the battery works too much and the voltage decreases, I can calibrate my receiver in a very sensitive position 2.5 meters for a 1.5v wire, and when the battery is recharging it cannot be in this position.

I can't answer without see the schematic of receiver....

[humhum]

I don't think.
But... only Esteban knows it, if he still remember it.

16 Khz , OSC .

[abdou2014]

I can't answer without see the schematic of receiver....

It's Sony M-450 Microcassette Recorder with preamp and tranfo + beep generator :)

[Geo]

This has nothing to do with Mineoro MF receiver :frown:.

[abdou2014]

what's the difference, what's special about the mineoro receiver ???

[Geo]

Maybe nothing special... but it is n't a tape recorder.
Preamplifiers of tape recorders have filters so to work according to the NAB curve.
We need a flat curve.

[abdou2014]

Thanks , i need these values

[abdou2014]

Does the frequency of the oscillator and the coil increase or decrease near the phenomenon?
or there is a change in the amplitude ?

[abdou2014]

I have new after several tests and this time with the original mineoro oscillator

I hope to have help and answers from members who have knowledge of this receiver

there are two different results on two different frequency ranges

for LF frequencies, the reaction distance of a 1.5 v spark is 80 cm, and it also reacts to non-ferrous metals, a piece of aluminum 30x30cm from 35cm

for VLF frequencies, it reacts to a 1.5v spark at a distance of 3 meters, and it does not react to non-ferrous metals

please, what is the favorable result to detect the phenomenon, when it detects non-ferrous metals and the spark or when it only detects the spark at a great distance ???

[Geo]

I don't know the answer but i can tell you the follow.
1. Battery spark don't mean anything about the ability of a lrl.
2. Battery spark sheems that a lrl work better or worst if the lrl has n't differences at frequency or at working principle.

I believe it is clear

:)

[brasilpb]

Maybe nothing special... but it is n't a tape recorder.
Preamplifiers of tape recorders have filters so to work according to the NAB curve.
We need a flat curve.
The mineoro LRL receivers, like the two box detectors, are super regenerative receivers, and the frequency response is not flat. If the input oscillating LC circuit is tuned to 40khz for example, it will have its maximum sensitivity for frequency between 35 to 45khz. Pre-amps for tape deck, they are well-designed circuits with high gain and low noise, but they have a wide passband, reproducing from a few hz to about 20khz, and this is not good because there would be a lot of interference from the electrical network and its harmonics . The phenomenon apparently occupies a large spectrum of frequencies, and the secret is to choose an interference-free frequency, and design a sensitive receiver for that band with a narrow passband. If the receiver has a flat response, it will be immune to a lot of interference, being forced to reduce the circuit gain to not give false signals.

[abdou2014]

I don't know the answer but i can tell you the follow.
1. Battery spark don't mean anything about the ability of a lrl.
2. Battery spark sheems that a lrl work better or worst if the lrl has n't differences at frequency or at working principle.

I believe it is clear

:)

thank you geo, I just received a faulty fg90 from a friend , i will try to fix it :)

[folharin]

thank you geo, I just received a faulty fg90 from a friend , i will try to fix it :)

I keep asking myself... fix what? why it does not detect objects or does not turn on?

[folharin]

try to reverse engineer it until you get to the programmable ci..and try to measure the frequencies of each stage

[folharin]

Mineoro Tube is Ionic Antenna for find from Distance precious Metal and works with very High wave (Ghz) ,
But Mineoro Electromagnetic Loop Receiver is for Locate place of buried and also for Deep meter , works with Radio waves from 50Khz to 150Khz .

I don't understand your position..ma your opinion the frequency doesn't matter then?

[abdou2014]

I keep asking myself... fix what? why it does not detect objects or does not turn on?

I don't know if it's normal, if I move it a bit faster it beeps ???

[Pahom]

I don't know if it's normal, if I move it a bit faster it beeps ???
No, this is not normal! And when you raise it to the sky, does it also make a sound?

[abdou2014]

yes my friend :(

[Pahom]

yes my friend :(
It's not scary! Need to make less amplification! Many, including myself, think that the more amplification, the better, this is a mistake. The higher the gain, the more extra interference.

[abdou2014]

Thank you :)

[folharin]

my friend geo!!!
I wonder why so many mysteries?we are all old group participants.

there is nothing left to hide one member from the other....tell the way to old members who are in this group from the beginning!!I've been in the group for twenty years

[Geo]

my friend geo!!!
I wonder why so many mysteries?we are all old group participants.

there is nothing left to hide one member from the other....tell the way to old members who are in this group from the beginning!!I've been in the group for twenty years

Hi.
Really i don't understand where is the mystery!!!!
So many years here it is logic that i tired, i can't be more active.
From the other way English is n't my language so i need much time to write a message and check it for wrongs.
Also i don't know everything on lrls, i am not able to explain everything is happening with them.

Anyway.... Regards :)

[Geo]

I don't know if it's normal, if I move it a bit faster it beeps ???

Many times when you work with depth sensitivity at high you have this phenomenon. Try it with depth sensitivity at Normal :cool:

[abdou2014]

Thank you dear friend, I thought it was because of the humidity or the power lines, I was surrounded by trees and 600 meters from the power lines

[humhum]

I don't understand your position..ma your opinion the frequency doesn't matter then?

Here Frequencies is important and it is for carrier of Phenomenon signal , from to distance , and this carrier frequency some time is different for all Country.
PD and LRL not need big gain or sensitivity , need some info details and very long time for real calibration , all reality is this for build of a real Receiver .
We forum have all infos with details , only need time for read and experiment .
No secrets left ....

[Geo]

Most info are in this forum but there are hidden very well!!.
Every interested must read very carefully all the threads and maybe to learn the secrets.

:cool:

[humhum]

Yes, that's right, Master Geo, even all of them are clearly written,
The important thing is to detect it and apply it.
Actually, the logic is very simple (except for the setting), it will be enough for the device
builders to read their comments and understand them.
Grand Master Esteban used to say that Remote sensing devices are made up of ordinary
schematics.

[brain]

Is mineoro electrostatic receiver or electromagnetic receiver?

[Jeg]

Is mineoro electrostatic receiver or electromagnetic receiver?

Hi Brain
Mineoro has two receivers actually. The first consist of the two loops. It takes as an input the frequency that is determined by the free LC at the front. It is something close to 14MHz. It gives a beeping signal when this signal drops. So it some kind detects the null or a disturbance at this MHz signal frequency. (This MHz signal is also modulated by the input oscillator at KHz)

The second receiver is of an electrostatic nature. In fact there are a lot of circuits in the internet, utilizing a jfet as for to receive electrostatic charges. It is exactly this. It gives a beeping signal when this field nulls. This is when the sensor (brass tip) of the machine sees the target in a straight line.

Hope it helps
Jeg

[brain]

The thing I see is franco lrl electromagnetic mineorro, it's electrostatic. Actually, all the work changes according to the use of the first transistor. The IR used in the mineoro works as an electromagnetic field determinant. I hope I'm not wrong.

[Jeg]

The thing I see is franco lrl electromagnetic mineorro, it's electrostatic. Actually, all the work changes according to the use of the first transistor. The IR used in the mineoro works as an electromagnetic field determinant. I hope I'm not wrong.




Franco's receiver doesn't look like an electrostatic receiver. It is more an electric field meter. It creates an oscillation at the input and device traces any possible offset of the waveform. The number of transistors determines if it will catch a negative or a positive offset. In Franco's case it detects the positive side. And so the increase in signal when the antenna looks at the negative source target...:cool:


IR leds is a none working mambo jumbo tech which works very good as a bate!:razz:

[abdou2014]

I confirmed that my friend's FG90 has a problem, even if I make it move towards the sky, and even by decreasing the sensitivity to 10, the slightest movement gives beeps :angry::angry::angry:

[Pahom]

I confirmed that my friend's FG90 has a problem, even if I make it move towards the sky, and even by decreasing the sensitivity to 10, the slightest movement gives beeps :angry::angry::angry:The device may have mechanical problems. Pay attention to the resistance of the case to mechanical movements when holding the device by the handle of the holder. Or turn on the device, place it on a flat surface, hold the body with one hand and, without fanaticism, press left and right on the handle by which you hold the device. This is one of the most common reasons.

[FrancoItaly]

Franco's receiver doesn't look like an electrostatic receiver. It is more an electric field meter. It creates an oscillation at the input and device traces any possible offset of the waveform. The number of transistors determines if it will catch a negative or a positive offset. In Franco's case it detects the positive side. And so the increase in signal when the antenna looks at the negative source target...:cool:


IR leds is a none working mambo jumbo tech which works very good as a bate!:razz:

I think my lrl is a passive electromagnetic device, the internal oscillator only serves to create a reference signal for the mixer, while the phenomenon is in the FM range, the L / C values prove it.

[abdou2014]

I did the handle test and there is no beep , only with full movement of the device , thank you for your help

[Geo]

Hi Abdou.
Its difficult to repair the lrl from distance, this must be maken by you.
FG90 has 3 detectors. You must isolate every time the two detectors and let only one to work so to understand where is the problem.
First detector is the receiver on the board FG38679B.
2nd is the ion chamber and 3th is the magnetic receiver at right side of chamber.
For begining desolder the red wire of ion chamber and take out the IC of the magnetic receiver.
Move it to see if you have random beeps.....

[abdou2014]

Thank you very much Dear friend , I don't know where to start, I'll take your advice ,

[abdou2014]

- I cut the red wire of the ionic chamber and I removed the IC from the magnetic receiver

- when the switch (deep sensitivity) is in the ( normal ) position , no beep when the device is

in movement

- when the switch (deep sensitivity) is in the ( high ) position , beep in any movement even

with low sensitivity

[abdou2014]

I put the magnetic IC in its place, the device is always stable and silent in mouvement

and that with (deep sensitivity) in the ( normal ) position ,

this deduces that the parasite came from the ionic chamber ?

[abdou2014]

I also want to know is it still able to detect the phenomenon without the ionic chamber ?

how reliable and how far can it detect a treasure without the ionic camber ?

Thank you !

[abdou2014]

I tried them yesterday, it was windy and it gave false beeps , I want to know if this is normal?

[abdou2014]

Hi, I cut the red wire and the parasite is still there.:(

[abdou2014]

now i remove the IC in the right , the magnetic circuit works, I don't know if the removed part is essential to capture the phenomenon???

[abdou2014]

I think the IC on the right is part of an electrical receiver with ferrite, preamp and amplifier, it is associated with the resonator stimulator , I think it's the heart of the device ,

[Pahom]

I think the IC on the right is part of an electrical receiver with ferrite, preamp and amplifier, it is associated with the resonator stimulator , I think it's the heart of the device ,Above the post, in your photo there is such a powerful toggle switch, what role does it play?

[abdou2014]

I think it is to connect the stimulator signal with the magnetic receiver , I haven't put all the pieces of the puzzle together yet.

[Pahom]

I think it is to connect the stimulator signal with the magnetic receiver , I haven't put all the pieces of the puzzle together yet.

What puzzle are you writing about if you have a device on hand. The heart of the device is a generator (capacitive three point Colpitz.)

[abdou2014]

explain more , you mean the loop input , first stage colpit oscillator ?
what mean ( capacitive three point ) ?
yes the device is in my hand

[Pahom]

explain more , you mean the loop input , first stage colpit oscillator ?
what mean ( capacitive three point ) ?
yes the device is in my hand

The Colpitz oscillator (capacitive three-point), named after its inventor Edwin Kolpitz, is one of many electronic oscillator circuits that use a combination of an inductance (L) with a capacitance (C) to determine the frequency, also called an LC oscillator.

[abdou2014]

Thank you professor :)

[abdou2014]

if you insinuate that the resonance frequency is the centerpiece of the device, you are mistaken ,

[Pahom]

if you insinuate that the resonance frequency is the centerpiece of the device, you are mistaken ,

Good ! Good luck with your setup then!

[abdou2014]

Thank you my friend :)

[abdou2014]

by removing the IC from the ferrite circuit on the image the device is very stable and the magnetic circuit works, it detects a 1.5 v battery from 1.3 meters
I need Geo's opinion, to know if the device can still capture the phenomenon without the removed part

[abdou2014]

I noticed the offset of the sensitivity adjustment point of the potentiometer one goes back, this means that the signal injected into the input of the magnetic circuit is cut

this means that the magnetic receiver is less sensitive, and that it cannot detect changes in the signal from the resonator or stimulator

[shahrayar]

now i remove the IC in the right , the magnetic circuit works, I don't know if the removed part is essential to capture the phenomenon???
Where did you get the scrap?:lol::lol::lol::lol:

[abdou2014]

I bought it for 8000 euros , the seller did not tell me that it is defective :frown:

[shahrayar]

now i remove the IC in the right , the magnetic circuit works, I don't know if the removed part is essential to capture the phenomenon???

I bought it for 8000 euros , the seller did not tell me that it is defective :frown:
Did you fix the bug?

[abdou2014]

i didn't understand ?

[Crazyturk45]

hello mineoro found on fg80 . What does the thing that says “GIG” do? Sorry I wrote it with google translate.
und on (https://files.fm/u/4zvwmdbc7)

[abdou2014]

can i remplace the ionic chamber of mineoro FG90 by stimulator or the magnetic lopp with receiver can detect the phenom?ne without chamber or stimulator ???

[Geo]

No, u can't replace the ion chamber by stimulator.From what i saw ion chamber don't do anything so u can deconnect it and work only the magnetic reciever with the loop.

[abdou2014]

thank you Geo, I have a question, is it able to capture a VLF transmitter if I play with the LC oscillator ???

[Geo]

Maybe... i have n't try it.

[abdou2014]

I believe that we have more chance of capturing the phenomenon by calibrating it on a VLF station than in free range , what do you think ?

[Geo]

I don't know....:???:

[abdou2014]

there are several magnetic sensors in this forum, high-speed, medium and long sensors,
the circuit of ANDY January 1995 has a medium speed, of June 2001 is long, like a magnetometer, I build them both,
the first mineoro FG 90 magnetic circuit with ferrite inductance behind the resonator is a long receiver,

[abdou2014]

I want to know if a magnetometer can detect the phenomenon? if so, at what distance ?

[Geo]

I think that nobody knows exactly what is the "called" phenomenon.
I have catch it as electric field as magnetic field and as IR emmition, most times as megnetic field. So i believe that a magnetometer with good sensitivity can catch it.
But... i am not sure!!!!

[abdou2014]

Thank you Mr Geo , if we want to capture it with a magnetic receiver like a magnetometer, is there a way to stimulate the target ?

[Pahom]

Thank you Mr Geo , if we want to capture it with a magnetic receiver like a magnetometer, is there a way to stimulate the target ?Hakim, why did they dismantle the ion chamber?

[abdou2014]

I thought he had the GOLD tube, I wanted to get some of my money back :frown:

[Pahom]

I thought he had the GOLD tube, I wanted to get some of my money back :frown:
Understood! Did you at least take measurements before taking it apart?

[abdou2014]

it only had a copper rod and a very very thin GOLD leaf round 8 mm diameter

[Pahom]

it only had a copper rod and a very very thin GOLD leaf round 8 mm diameter
No my friend! I'm talking about capacity, I meant ... and other measurements...

[abdou2014]

no, i have not tested

[Pahom]

no, i have not testedThat's the whole problem! But Geo is a cool guy, I like it even though I don?t personally know him, he gave so many tips and laid out the diagram, and answers questions. It will be hard to put it back together again.

[abdou2014]

I have several ideas and concepts, I want to modify and make it maybe better

[abdou2014]

I'm doing an autopsy on it and drawing all the boards and diagrams 8)

[Pahom]

I'm doing an autopsy on it and drawing all the boards and diagrams 8)You still do not understand how Minero works ...... You have my mail. I don?t need boards or Mineiro?s diagrams, they are in the public domain. Geo posted this for two years already, well, just insist on everything, it?s a pity that you broke the cameo .....

[abdou2014]

I know but even before damaging it, it didn't work

[abdou2014]

I think it's a special modulation of an infrared beam

[Pahom]

I know but even before damaging it, it didn't workWell then, everything is in your hands ..... improve, why are you asking permission. If everything is fine with the disassembled static camera.

[abdou2014]

Thank you my friend

[Pahom]

Thank you my friend
Yes, for nothing ..... I didn?t immediately understand either .... But with IR or UV it?s still very tight. And yes, there is not enough time.

[abdou2014]

any improvement with your IR UV ?

[Pahom]

any improvement with your IR UV ?No improvements! I am a radio amateur lacking knowledge, and most importantly time. So far, the result is 3 meters, and then on beer cans or aluminum at a not significant depth. Ik does not work on my polegon. Perhaps he dug deep into the target.

[Geo]

I think it's a special modulation of an infrared beam

Becarefull... modulated IR beam can creates faulty signals to Mineoro magnetic receiver...:angry:

[abdou2014]

i think the best use of infrared is esteban's LRL IR with TDA

[Geo]

i think the best use of infrared is esteban's LRL IR with TDA

I don't know it...

[abdou2014]

what can i add to my mineoro fg90 magnetic receiver for make is a good lrl ???

[abdou2014]

very promising experience with fg90 8):D

[Geo]

FG90 never will be one of the best lrl..:frown:

[abdou2014]

why , it' very stable , sensitive , directional , it catch LF and VLF broadcast .........

[Geo]

Because there are other .. much better :lol:

[abdou2014]

maybe

[Geo]

https://www.facebook.com/100006749944185/videos/918404065816289/

[Geo]

Video is taken 11...12 years ago..

:)

[abdou2014]

link doesn't work

[Geo]

Sorry but i can't do something.
It is a video from me attached on a Brasil site!!!

The size of file is very big to attach it here..

[abdou2014]

successful recovery, but different from the original, detects a can of coca cola from 40cm,
there is a very weird thing about power supply :(

[abdou2014]

I have never seen such a perfect receiver , I intend to add a VHF 8)

[abdou2014]

Hi dear forum members, I added an oscillator to my FG90, connected to a small 100mH inductor, it can react to an aluminum foil at 35 cm, I need the opinion of Geo and J-player , I hope to have a fast answer , thank you .

[abdou2014]

I added a TDA7000 connected to the magnetic receiver at the IN point, very sensitive to static charge, but a decrease in sensitivity of the magnetic loop ,
what is the ideal voltage at the IN point without having a decrease in sensitivity ???

[Dubulumach]

abdou2014 send me schematic of your FG-90 and PCB pictures at both side of device. Upload at some Iranin host site and send me a link privately here at mailbox. :) I will see, could I help you with your RF-sniffing mod. OK ? There are many "underwather reefs" which must be taken to the account if you want to work it properly and detect the gold.



The problem you have is magnetic cross-coupling. Could be solved. Need more info.
Regards !

[abdou2014]

thank you very much dear friend, you gave me hope, tomorrow I will take pictures and send them to you :)