$5,000 Coat Hangers vs Metal Dector Challenge

[Dell Winders]

Gold Detector Verses Dowsing Rod

I will challenge any gold hunter using an electronic detector, against my two coat hangers. How confident am I? $5,000. The challenge: a third party will hide a small gold nugget somewhere on a football field, placing it two inches deep by pounding a wooden rod into the ground. The first to uncover the gold nugget is the winner. The event will be video tapped. Email me if you are up to the challenge

http://www.dowselikeapro.com/My_Blog.html

[Max]

Gold Detector Verses Dowsing Rod

I will challenge any gold hunter using an electronic detector, against my two coat hangers. How confident am I? $5,000. The challenge: a third party will hide a small gold nugget somewhere on a football field, placing it two inches deep by pounding a wooden rod into the ground. The first to uncover the gold nugget is the winner. The event will be video tapped. Email me if you are up to the challenge

http://www.dowselikeapro.com/My_Blog.html

What a test! :lol:

We have a brilliant mind here...:cool:

And if you have some friend in the football field... that will then tell you where the third party buried the nugget ??? :lol:

Or what if you placed an unmanned remote controlled camera there ??? :razz:

No good...

Better is an open place... the third party will choose and don't tell you till you arrive there... say some desert area... works best! :D

I'd like some US folk will challenge you Dell... I'd like to see that on YouTube! And make some laugh! :razz:

Kind regards,
Max

[sweatofglory]

What a test! :lol:

We have a brilliant mind here...:cool:

And if you have some friend in the football field... that will then tell you where the third party buried the nugget ??? :lol:

Or what if you placed an unmanned remote controlled camera there ??? :razz:

No good...

Better is an open place... the third party will choose and don't tell you till you arrive there... say some desert area... works best! :D

I'd like some US folk will challenge you Dell... I'd like to see that on YouTube! And make some laugh! :razz:

Kind regards,
Max

Hi Max,

why don't you invite some of your friends to take Dell's challenge? do you think a 'trick of the mind' nonsense gadget can sometimes win over a high end metal detector?:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Clondike Clad]

Gold Detector Verses Dowsing Rod

I will challenge any gold hunter using an electronic detector, against my two coat hangers. How confident am I? $5,000. The challenge: a third party will hide a small gold nugget somewhere on a football field, placing it two inches deep by pounding a wooden rod into the ground. The first to uncover the gold nugget is the winner. The event will be video tapped. Email me if you are up to the challenge

http://www.dowselikeapro.com/My_Blog.html

Ok lets do it.
BUT THE GOLD AND THE FOOTBALL FIELD MUST PICKED BY SOMEONE WE DON'T KNOW AND IT MUST BE DOCIMENTED, YES IT MUST BE VIDEO TAPE.
THE GOLD SHOULD BE 1 oz bar.
I will use my XLPRO with a big foot coil in the all metal mode.
I WILL FIND THE 1OZ BAR AT 2 INCH FAST
PLUS WHO FINDS THE BAR KEEPS IT.
LET ME KNOW IF THIS IS OK WITH YOU.

[Max]

Hi Max,

why don't you invite some of your friends to take Dell's challenge? do you think a 'trick of the mind' nonsense gadget can sometimes win over a high end metal detector?:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:


Hi,
cause I'm not in Florida or USA... I'm in the EU.;)

Here (but same apply to USA) serious people belive that good MDs beat hands down any fairy-tale device... expecially the kind Dell say... :D

Just a matter of time, sweeps and care in the search.

The nonsense gadgets are good for belivers... they love them... and have no need of proofs. When, after a thousand of empty holes, they endly dug something valuable like some old gold ring or a rusty coin... the selective memory take place... they instantly forget about all the empty holes and pain in the *** digging them and will remember forever the valuable item found... as an example of how special and productive LRLs are.

It's a trick of the mind... often people play with these gizmoes in e.g. old battlefields... proven rich of old relics... they will endly find something... cause the big numbers of attempts play for that... but then the trick of the mind and selective memory plays major role in all that stuff.

The Dell's "challenge" is also really tricky for the stuff I wrote before... it's easy find a way to trick people in a particular scenario (e.g. a known football field)... the things are worse instead in open field... in the middle of nothing... like a desert place... where you have no reference points... when you can hide something under the sand at 1'' and people cannot see anything to spot that underground... unless they have a sensitive MD! :rolleyes:

If you have to place in a football field don't you think you must disturb the grass there ? And that people can see you when you place stuff ? That can be an hidden camera recording all your movements ??? :lol:

The serious challenges to pass must be HARD.

Kind regards,
Max

[Max]

Ok lets do it.
BUT THE GOLD AND THE FOOTBALL FIELD MUST PICKED BY SOMEONE WE DON'T KNOW AND IT MUST BE DOCIMENTED, YES IT MUST BE VIDEO TAPE.
THE GOLD SHOULD BE 1 oz bar.
I will use my XLPRO with a big foot coil in the all metal mode.
I WILL FIND THE 1OZ BAR AT 2 INCH FAST
PLUS WHO FINDS THE BAR KEEPS IT.
LET ME KNOW IF THIS IS OK WITH YOU.

I suggest open field, not known location for you and Dell till both you reach the place, and as preference a desert like place... no reference points...
just four markers to signal the limits of the search field... and preferable all must be the same at ground level... e.g. uniform sand and nothing more than sand! :D
Then you can choose a dimension for search field like a football field... that have sense and I think Dell cannot complain if dimensions are the same.
If you're going to place a large item... like a gold bar... you must provide more depth for it... cause don't wanna people walk over it with 1'' of sand over and detect it by his foot! :lol:

If you accept or wanna make like Dell described you or the third party can be easily fooled in the way I explained.

Let the third party make the field where he wants to... then after he prepared anything you and Dell will play the big game...

PS: a good rule will be that people must have a fixed number of attempts to signal/mark a point and dig, say e.g. 10 and if make the 10th and don't find the stuff he lose.

Kind regards,
Max

[J_Player]

...If you're going to place a large item... like a gold bar... you must provide more depth for it... cause don't wanna people walk over it with 1'' of sand over and detect it by his foot! :lol:

.....PS: a good rule will be that people must have a fixed number of attempts to signal/mark a point and dig, say e.g. 10 and if make the 10th and don't find the stuff he lose. xWhoaaa...! This spoils the whole contest...
How can Dell find the target if he does not dig at least 500 holes, one for each signal he gets? Wasn't that his strategy? To quickly dig hundreds of empty holes until he finds the target? It would take way too long to do this if he had to dig hundreds of holes more than 2 inches deep.

Hmmmm... I don't see anything in the rules that says you can't use a D9 bull dozer to recover the target. Anyone who has a D9 could quickly announce "I found it".... then proceed to scrape the top few inches off the surface of the test field and pile it into a mound, where it is then screened to collect the target. :shocked:

Best wishes,
J_P

[Max]

Whoaaa...! This spoils the whole contest...
How can Dell find the target if he does not dig at least 500 holes, one for each signal he gets? Wasn't that his strategy? To quickly dig hundreds of empty holes until he finds the target? It would take way too long to do this if he had to dig hundreds of holes more than 2 inches deep.

Hmmmm... I don't see anything in the rules that says you can't use a D9 bull dozer to recover the target. Anyone who has a D9 could quickly announce "I found it".... then proceed to scrape the top few inches off the surface of the test field and pile it into a mound, where it is then screened to collect the target. :shocked:

Best wishes,
J_P

Hmmm
I think the D9 based remote sensing is not that smart...

But isn't Dell going to use coat hangers to locate stuff ??? :rolleyes:

Cause if he starts digging like a crazy dog is not that smart remote sensing detectorist... :lol:

10 attempts are enough! One will mark the place and start to dig under control of one observer... the diameter of hole must be also defined by rules... e.g. max 16'' or you will lose... ;)

:D

Kind regards,
Max

[J_Player]

Hmmm
I think the D9 based remote sensing is not that smart...
But isn't Dell going to use coat hangers to locate stuff ??? :rolleyes:

10 attempts are enough! One will mark the place and start to dig under control of one observer... the diameter of hole must be also defined by rules... e.g. max 16'' or you will lose... ;)Sure you use coat hangers to locate the treasure. This is done in about 1 second. Then take out the D9 only for recovering the treasure. This is done in about 3 hours, by scraping the top 4 inches off the test field and dumping it into a shaker screen that will separate the sand from the larger stuff -- same as the sand scoops beach detectorists use for recovering coins and jewelry. Since there is no rule in this contest for size or shape of the hole, this is a good method for recovery. You dig a hole the size of the test field and 6 inches deep, after locating the treasure in about 1 second. (maybe a 994 loader will work better to recover the target because you need lift up the dirt to dump it over the screens)...

So using a tractor for recovering treasure is really smart, because it can help to win the $5000 prize when recovering the treasure from the first hole dug. And it only cost about $500 for a day rental of a 994 with driver. After winning the prize, you can go to a real nice restaurant and buy dinner for yourself and the loser, and also you can buy a new metal detector to replace the coat hanger wires, and still have money to put in the bank when you get home. :cool:

Best wishes,
J_P

[Clondike Clad]

I suggest open field, not known location for you and Dell till both you reach the place, and as preference a desert like place... no reference points...
just four markers to signal the limits of the search field... and preferable all must be the same at ground level... e.g. uniform sand and nothing more than sand! :D
Then you can choose a dimension for search field like a football field... that have sense and I think Dell cannot complain if dimensions are the same.
If you're going to place a large item... like a gold bar... you must provide more depth for it... cause don't wanna people walk over it with 1'' of sand over and detect it by his foot! :lol:

If you accept or wanna make like Dell described you or the third party can be easily fooled in the way I explained.

Let the third party make the field where he wants to... then after he prepared anything you and Dell will play the big game...

PS: a good rule will be that people must have a fixed number of attempts to signal/mark a point and dig, say e.g. 10 and if make the 10th and don't find the stuff he lose.

Kind regards,
Max
Max that is very good,Dell let's do it in the sand the size of a football field. 6 inch deep a 1 oz bar.

[Max]

Max that is very good,Dell let's do it in the sand the size of a football field. 6 inch deep a 1 oz bar.

Hi,
very good!

I hope Dell will accept this challenge and we'll see soon on YouTube! :D

I know who will win... hands down! :cool:

Kind regards,
Max

[Mike(Mont)]

This is not Dell's contest. He just posted the link.

I read through part of it. I am a bit confounded by the "World Dowsing Championship". I know several dowsers in Montana and I never heard of such a thing. Sounds like a bunch of drunks got together to see who could spew the most BS.

As for the nugget contest, a small nugget would not be easy to find with an MD amongst thousands of pull tabs. I don't understand the significance of pounding a wooden stake in the ground unless a person could feel it when they walked over it.

[Theseus]

This is not Dell's contest. He just posted the link.

I read through part of it. I am a bit confounded by the "World Dowsing Championship". I know several dowsers in Montana and I never heard of such a thing. Sounds like a bunch of drunks got together to see who could spew the most BS.

As for the nugget contest, a small nugget would not be easy to find with an MD amongst thousands of pull tabs. I don't understand the significance of pounding a wooden stake in the ground unless a person could feel it when they walked over it.

It seemed clear to me that Dell was merely posting a link to someone else's website. Dell would never make such a challenge, and go through with the deal......... unless of course, like Max outlined; the whole thing was rigged. :lol: :lol:

Incidently, Mike, when was the last time you were coinhunting? Thousands of pull tabs??? I think you might be surprised, within the confines of a football playing field, how few pull tabs there really are. Lots of tinfoil, of course....;) Besides, unless you've never been nugget shooting with a MD; small gold nuggets usually read like a nickel on a lot of machines.

[Qiaozhi]

This is not Dell's contest. He just posted the link.

I read through part of it. I am a bit confounded by the "World Dowsing Championship". I know several dowsers in Montana and I never heard of such a thing. Sounds like a bunch of drunks got together to see who could spew the most BS.

As for the nugget contest, a small nugget would not be easy to find with an MD amongst thousands of pull tabs. I don't understand the significance of pounding a wooden stake in the ground unless a person could feel it when they walked over it.
After reading the blog, you could be excused for wondering why this "dowsing legend" has not relieved Randi of his $1M. :???:

[J_Player]

...Incidently, Mike, when was the last time you were coinhunting? Thousands of pull tabs??? I think you might be surprised, within the confines of a football playing field, how few pull tabs there really are. Lots of tinfoil, of course....;) Besides, unless you've never been nugget shooting with a MD; small gold nuggets usually read like a nickel on a lot of machines.Hi Theseus and Mike,
I recently hunted a baseball field that is also used as a soccer field (football field for people outside the USA). This place was the worst hunt I did in a long time. It was full of foil from gum wrappers, bottle tops, fast food condiment wrappers, and cigarette wrappers. And there were lots of paper clips and small nails and pieces of iron wire. I also found some pull tabs along the sidelines. At the end of 5 hours hunting, I found about 90 cents in coins, and no jewelry, even at the playground at the side of the park. Needless to say, I will not be going back to hunt there again until I have in my hands a proven LRL that shows me where the gold is. (Perhaps this will not happen in this lifetime). :rolleyes:

If anyone wants to hold a contest between coat hanger wires and a metal detector, I suggest it is done in a remote area that has been searched to insure nobody threw their trash there first. Maybe in a desert somewhere.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Max]

This is not Dell's contest. He just posted the link.

I read through part of it. I am a bit confounded by the "World Dowsing Championship". I know several dowsers in Montana and I never heard of such a thing. Sounds like a bunch of drunks got together to see who could spew the most BS.

As for the nugget contest, a small nugget would not be easy to find with an MD amongst thousands of pull tabs. I don't understand the significance of pounding a wooden stake in the ground unless a person could feel it when they walked over it.

Choose a desert like place...
the third party will find on ewith few or no pull tabs. :D

Not easy , uh ? Yeah... but some places you can find like that... and then put a limit to the attempts... e.g. 10.;)

If you use a discriminating MD you can reject easy pull tabs and got the gold signal.

Now... sure it's not easy prepare such search field... but would be more easy in a real football field ?

How many e.g. coins people lost or launched there in the field during the years ?

How much small gold items (e.g. small medals, rings etc) people lost there during the years !?

A real football field , apart the risk of being fooled by some hidden camera or person watching when you bury stuff, it's a real nightmare using an MD for to search a specific item... like the small gold bar.

Desert is fairly better.

Kind regards,
Max

[Theseus]

Needless to say, I will not be going back to hunt there again until I have in my hands a proven LRL that shows me where the gold is. (Perhaps this will not happen in this lifetime). :rolleyes:

Best wishes,
J_P

Proven LRL??? Good Luck! I hope you are a really young fella. ;)

[Fred]

I am not sure if the place should be so much "prepared" and special.
I think it should be a natural place, with usual trash.Real life.

It looks too complicated, there is nothing to be afraid of: after all it´s just regular MD against L rods, let the better win! :D

[J_Player]

I am not sure if the place should be so much "prepared" and special.
I think it should be a natural place, with usual trash.Real life.

It looks too complicated, there is nothing to be afraid of: after all it´s just regular MD against L rods, let the better win! :DWould it be ok if I go there before the contest and throw some coins, rare earth magnets, and scatter a few kilos of chopped up pieces of copper wire in the test field to add to the usual trash found in natural real life places?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Max]

Hi,
I think better if field is clean of other stuff... I mean trash that usually is found near urban areas... or farm land too.
Too much tin foil, lost coins, cigarette silvery paper, old paint cans and iron wires etc

Why ?

Easy... if too much trash the MD must perform a HUGE number of attempts before finding the gold-bar.

A HUGE number of attempts mean the LRL operator could do the same... a HUGE number of attempts... and you know... huge numbers possibly end-up with some lucky strike. :D

No no... we are talking here of a challenge between LRL-method and MD stuff...

Use a clean soil, uniform, possibly sand like... and very few trash and few attempts people can make.

This way who has ability of REALLY locate the target will find it and not by luck.

Are we talking of luck here ? No. We are talking of detectiong stuff before the other player, no need that luck have to interfere in this process.:rolleyes:

And what can be wrong if soil is almost clean of trash ?
Both operators MUST be satisfied of this search conditions... cause will not be disturbed by tin foil etc...

Or now tin foil is essential for the LRL-method to work ???

MD has no need of trash to work... I would expect the same from the coat hangers...:rolleyes:

Kind regards,
Max

[Fred]

Would it be ok if I go there before the contest and throw some coins, rare earth magnets, and scatter a few kilos of chopped up pieces of copper wire in the test field to add to the usual trash found in natural real life places?

Best wishes,
J_P

For obvious reasons the place must be unknown from both participants so this is not possible.
Now, "natural" crap, in "natural" concentrations should not be a problem.
Or else you will give the same excuse that LRL proponents uses that the test must be performed in special mood, special terrain , blood iron , and Sun activity...

[J_Player]

For obvious reasons the place must be unknown from both participants so this is not possible.Not a problem.....
I will go and scatter the trash at the location on the day before the contest, when the contest directors have chosen the location. I will not be a participant. I will only be a witness who points and laughs at the contestants digging up thousands of little pieces of copper wire, coins, and rare earth magnets. :lol:

Best wishes,
J_P

[Jarek]

I'll be more than happy to host those two individuals. Currently I dwell in Chicago and the contest can take place at Indiana Dunes which is less than 2hr away. I'm not concerned about disclosing the location because this place is HUGE and even a prior visit won't help. Since I'm not known to anyone at the forum I can be considered someone neutral. Anyone who decides to come can stay at my home for free (some Polish food and beer can be provided as well)

[Clondike Clad]

I'll be more than happy to host those two individuals. Currently I dwell in Chicago and the contest can take place at Indiana Dunes which is less than 2hr away. I'm not concerned about disclosing the location because this place is HUGE and even a prior visit won't help. Since I'm not known to anyone at the forum I can be considered someone neutral. Anyone who decides to come can stay at my home for free (some Polish food and beer can be provided as well)
If Mr Dell wants to OUT DO do one of the best metal detectors ever made LETS DO IT.CLONDIKE CLAD IS READY TO RUMBLE
If Dell don't like my XLPRO I can use my M6, Classic IDX,Minlab3500,amphibium ll,Prizm,oh what the hell I will even bring my ACE 250.
Ok Dell now you know some of the tools I will use.Iust bring the gold bar and drink some beer and eat some Polish food.Oh Dell I will put the gold bar with my good coins( not for sale):razz::razz::razz::razz::razz::razz::razz::ra zz:GOLD FEVER:razz::razz::razz::razz::razz::razz::razz:CLO NDIKE CLAD HAS GOLD FEVER:razz::razz::razz::razz::razz::razz::razz::ra zz::razz::razz::razz::razz:

[Max]

Hmmmm...
seems Dell don't read the forum recently....

or SURE he would reply to these offers... :D

Or not ???

Dell we miss you! WHERE ARE YOU NOW ???

Have to call America's most wanted ??? :rolleyes:

Kind regards,
Max

[J_Player]

HA HA HA.... It was all a trick!

Dell fooled you! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Dell made this post at the top of this thread:Gold Detector Verses Dowsing Rod

I will challenge any gold hunter using an electronic detector, against my two coat hangers. How confident am I? $5,000. The challenge: a third party will hide a small gold nugget somewhere on a football field, placing it two inches deep by pounding a wooden rod into the ground. The first to uncover the gold nugget is the winner. The event will be video tapped. Email me if you are up to the challenge

http://www.dowselikeapro.com/My_Blog.htmlIf you look at the link, you will see this is what some guy in Canada is offering, not Dell. Dell is not holding the contest, and is not a contestant. He only posted some words from this Canadian's blog, and the link to read it. He was informing us of some news that somebody is holding a dowsing contest where he puts up $5000. You are reading the offer from some Canadian, not Dell. And Dell is undoubtedly laughing in font of his computer at all the fools who didn't figure out his trick, and think Dell is making a challenge.

If you read the blog, you will find this Canadian's quote about 3/4 the way down. You can also search the page for "Gold Detector Verses Dowsing Rod". You will see he offered exactly what Dell posted, So he did not offer to make special field arrangements. But after reading some of his stories, I thik he will not mind to make the challenge in the way you are suggesting.

Anyway, don't expect Dell Winders to ever allow a test of his dowsing abilities, or of the abilities of his LRLs when someone else is watching.

Best wishes,
J_P
Gold Detector Verses Dowsing Rod (http://worlddowsingchampion.com/blog/59/gold-detector-verses-dowsing-rod/)

[Jim]

Nowhere in the challenge does it mention “metal detector” (or Dector).

Dollars to doughnuts the blogger was referring to Long Range Locators when he drafted the challenge. The verbiage is specific to “electronic detectors”…sometimes referred to as LRLs

The appropriate title to this thread would be: Coat Hangers vs. Long Range Locators

[Max]

Nowhere in the challenge does it mention “metal detector” (or Dector).

Dollars to doughnuts the blogger was referring to Long Range Locators when he drafted the challenge. The verbiage is specific to “electronic detectors”…sometimes referred to as LRLs

The appropriate title to this thread would be: Coat Hangers vs. Long Range Locators

Yes, of course,
but Dell wrote the title as " $5,000 Coat Hangers vs Metal Dector Challenge"

where you can read that the challenge is between coat hangers vs metal-detector... or not ?

Then he also made post like "I will challenge any gold hunter using an electronic detector" etc

Not explaining he was reporting words from other people... so we can conclude he's doing the challenge himself not the third party...canadian one.

Now... if not so... he just demonstrated another time he and his paint rollers can't pass any challenge against a real metal detector and skilled operator.

Just like serious THunters already know.:D

Kind regards,
Max

[J_Player]

Nowhere in the challenge does it mention “metal detector” (or Dector).

Dollars to doughnuts the blogger was referring to Long Range Locators when he drafted the challenge. The verbiage is specific to “electronic detectors”…sometimes referred to as LRLs

The appropriate title to this thread would be: Coat Hangers vs. Long Range LocatorsThat's exactly right.
The challenge made by the Canadian is titled "Gold Detector Verses Dowsing Rod"
And the challenge is "I will challenge any gold hunter using an electronic detector, against my two coat hangers".
It was Dell who added the words "Metal Detector" in his title to this thread. It appears that Dell is responsible for making it look like this is a contest between metal detectors and dowsing rods.

So what is the challenge?
The Canadian says he will challenge any gold hunter using an electronic detector against his two coat hangers. Doesn't this include gold hunters who use metal detectors? Isn't a metal detector an electronic detector?
According to his challenge, you must be a gold hunter and you must use an electronic detector, while he uses two coat hangers.

A minor complication is in the title to his challenge "Gold detector Verses Dowsing Rods". Gold detector implies a detector that only finds gold, but could also be any detector that finds gold and other things too. However, the title is not the challenge. He clearly stated his challenge which specifies the challenger must be a gold hunter and must use an electronic detector. The title only gives hints to what he had in mind. It does not specify the rules to the challenge. I suppose if you used a home-made metal detector, then you could paste a label on it that says "Gold Detector" and this would satisfy any implied requirement that it must be a gold detector.

So there you have it... You don't have to travel so far, Clondike Clad. The $5000 challenge is in Canada.

But before you pack for Canada to win your $5000, consider the credibility of the challenge.
Suppose you get there, and the Canadian says "I was only kidding"?
Or he says the challenge is only open to electronic gold-finding LRLs?
Or suppose he says: "what did you expect? I am supposed to make good on some silly thing you read in my blog?
Your laws must be different than the laws here. Go home Yankee".

If that happened, you could have a nice vacation and go home less travel expenses.

I still think Dell is laughing in front of his computer at all the ruckus he caused by making it appear that this was his challenge against metal detectors.
Do you think he would laugh harder if you went to the challenge in Canada and got turned back? :lol:

Best wishes,
J_P

[Qiaozhi]

HA HA HA.... It was all a trick!

Dell fooled you! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Dell made this post at the top of this thread:If you look at the link, you will see this is what some guy in Canada is offering, not Dell. Dell is not holding the contest, and is not a contestant. He only posted some words from this Canadian's blog, and the link to read it. He was informing us of some news that somebody is holding a dowsing contest where he puts up $5000. You are reading the offer from some Canadian, not Dell. And Dell is undoubtedly laughing in font of his computer at all the fools who didn't figure out his trick, and think Dell is making a challenge.

If you read the blog, you will find this Canadian's quote about 3/4 the way down. You can also search the page for "Gold Detector Verses Dowsing Rod". You will see he offered exactly what Dell posted, So he did not offer to make special field arrangements. But after reading some of his stories, I thik he will not mind to make the challenge in the way you are suggesting.

Anyway, don't expect Dell Winders to ever allow a test of his dowsing abilities, or of the abilities of his LRLs when someone else is watching.

Best wishes,
J_P
Gold Detector Verses Dowsing Rod (http://worlddowsingchampion.com/blog/59/gold-detector-verses-dowsing-rod/)

Mike Mont already pointed this out early on in the thread. It was clearly nothing to do with Dell. See quote below:

This is not Dell's contest. He just posted the link.

I read through part of it. I am a bit confounded by the "World Dowsing Championship". I know several dowsers in Montana and I never heard of such a thing. Sounds like a bunch of drunks got together to see who could spew the most BS.

As for the nugget contest, a small nugget would not be easy to find with an MD amongst thousands of pull tabs. I don't understand the significance of pounding a wooden stake in the ground unless a person could feel it when they walked over it.

After reading the blog, you could be excused for wondering why this "dowsing legend" has not relieved Randi of his $1M. :???:

As you stated, the contest appears to be a challenge by a dowser against electronic LRLs (gold detectors). He would not risk his reputation against a real metal detector, unless the contest could be rigged.

He had a very amusing story about the travelling salesman and his car keys. I bet that story has been repeated hundreds of times, but it proves nothing. There are numerous ways he could have retrieved his keys without any so-called psychic ability. Maybe he had an electronic key finder attached to the fob, the receptionist tipped him off, he simply watched them out of the window, or he was just lucky that they didn't hide them in a less obvious place. Whatever, any amateur conjurer could perform the same trick.

Regarding the nugget attached to the end of a wooden stake - this is also an indication of trickery. How easy would it be to embed a neodymium magnet in the top of the stake, then have a reed switch in your shoe which triggers a simple circuit and lets you know you're over the nugget? There are numerous devious methods of rigging the contest. That's why controlled double-blind testing is essential.

[J_Player]

Mike Mont already pointed this out early on in the thread. It was clearly nothing to do with Dell. See quote belowSure Mike pointed it out... and Theseus too. But it still fooled a lot of people who continued making plans to win Dell's $5000.
And yes, it did have something to do with Dell. He changed the context of the contest by naming the thread "$5,000 Coat Hangers vs Metal Dector Challenge", giving the impression that he was challenging metal detectorists.As you stated, the contest appears to be a challenge by a dowser against electronic LRLs (gold detectors). He would not risk his reputation against a real metal detector, unless the contest could be rigged.Reputation? What reputation? This person does not even publish his name. And all his stories are simply stories he posted to help sell his dowsing DVDs. What makes you think any of it is true?
Rigged? Did any of his dowsing stories ever happen in the first place? Will he even hold a contest that would necessitate rigging? :rolleyes:
There are numerous devious methods of rigging the contest. That's why controlled double-blind testing is essential.Contest? What contest? This is just something he posted in his blog to help sell dowsing lesson DVDs. You really believe he will agree to hold a contest? If he intended to hold a contest, he would first have to publish his name with a way to contact him, and a location for the test, wouldn't he?

Hypothetical scenario:
Suppose there was a poverty stricken old man who tried everything short of working to earn a living. After trying all the get rich schemes he still ended up nearly homeless. So he reads about the money you can make in drop-shipping internet sales. After a few years, he decides he wants to make more money than the deal he gets from the drop-shipper. So he hires an actor to pose as a dowser for tons of pictures in every imaginable situation where a dowser finds the hidden object and wins prizes, etc. And he has a friend help make up a DVD on how to dowse, using the actor to play the role of the dowser. Then he makes a website to sell the DVDs. He fills it with a lot of stories designed to make a reader drool over the power of dowsing, and adds a blog with more stories, etc. The he begins to see the money come in, and his only overhead is sending out DVDs. Of course, he will never publish his real name to send inquiries to, and will never give a true location of where he is. All the product is sent by someone else who handles his DVD-burning and shipping from a remote location...He simply checks his P.O. box every week to pick up checks forwarded from the shipper. Can you think of anyone who is poverty stricken that might want to try this?


p.s. Closer examination shows that the shipping location is Toronto, Kansas. So it appears he is not a Canadian, but an American who ships his goods from Kansas.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Clondike Clad]

Gold Detector Verses Dowsing Rod

I will challenge any gold hunter using an electronic detector, against my two coat hangers. How confident am I? $5,000. The challenge: a third party will hide a small gold nugget somewhere on a football field, placing it two inches deep by pounding a wooden rod into the ground. The first to uncover the gold nugget is the winner. The event will be video tapped. Email me if you are up to the challeng

http://www.dowselikeapro.com/My_Blog.html

The question is why did dell post this.
He wanted us to think HE wants to do this.
ALL I DID WAS CALL HIM OUT ON THIS.
BUT NO DELL
OK so do you want to do this DELL or what?:nono:

[Qiaozhi]

The question is why did dell post this.
He wanted us to think HE wants to do this.
ALL I DID WAS CALL HIM OUT ON THIS.
BUT NO DELL
OK so do you want to do this DELL or what?:nono:
Maybe he's too busy burning DVDs ready for posting! ;)

[Theseus]

Dell has always been one to use forum postings to advertise his wares. Not just this forum, but any forum that picks up a little traffic on the subject of dowsing.

I propose his motive for starting this thread, and with the wording he did, was nothing more than another of his schemes to get some free advertising by having every one here mention his name in a series of postings.

I'd say his scheme worked rather well. :D

He may have only a 6th grade education (or less) but he is certainly no fool. While his direct competition, in the LRL/MFD scam dowsing device market, spend thousands of dollars on websites and website designers; to attract more sales - Dell has always garnered his share of the market by haunting dowsing and LRL/MFD forums.

With the exception of Mike(Mont) and Tim Williams (a couple of wanna be's), you really don't see any other manfacturer/dealers pushing their wares on the aforementioned forums. Clearly, different strategies for different marketeers.

[Dell Winders]

On the other forums I posted, I seen how it might be construed, so I went back and modified to read I saw this on the internet. Unfortunately, on this forum it was too late to modify.

I did mistakenly credit folks here with the intelligence to click on the link to get the details before they leaped to conclusions. That was the error in my thinking.

Honestly, I did get a big laugh at the pretenders who claim to adhere to fact, jumping all over each other with their assumptions. It didn't add any credibility to your interest in research, truth, or fact, but I did enjoy watching your antics. Thanks for that!

And so it is, and always will be with the Skeptic clan, and Carl's forum. :D dell

[Max]

On the other forums I posted, I seen how it might be construed, so I went back and modified to read I saw this on the internet. Unfortunately, on this forum it was too late to modify.

I did mistakenly credit folks here with the intelligence to click on the link to get the details before they leaped to conclusions. That was the error in my thinking.

Honestly, I did get a big laugh at the pretenders who claim to adhere to fact, jumping all over each other with their assumptions. It didn't add any credibility to your interest in research, truth, or fact, but I did enjoy watching your antics. Thanks for that!

And so it is, and always will be with the Skeptic clan, and Carl's forum. :D dell

You can laugh as you want...

but people here know that your paint rollers don't work for c.r.a.p.:D

Then... you can also post what you want... and people could made wrong conclusions... why not ?

But this, again, is a proof you're full of c.r.a.p from your hairs tips to your shoes... :lol:

just to be polite... :rolleyes:

Kind regards,
Max

[Jim]

Why lie about it, Dell? You clearly posted this version on TreasureNet, with the proper internet credit, before posting here


http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,258789.0.html

Posted Jul 19, 2009, 01:25:28 AM

Found on the internet. http://forum.treasurenet.com/Smileys/default/notworthy.gif Dell

Gold Detector Verses Dowsing Rod

[Theseus]

Why lie about it, Dell? You clearly posted this version on TreasureNet, with the proper internet credit, before posting here


http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,258789.0.html

Posted Jul 19, 2009, 01:25:28 AM

Found on the internet. http://forum.treasurenet.com/Smileys/default/notworthy.gif Dell

Gold Detector Verses Dowsing Rod


Why lie about it? Because it is basically the only knee-jerk response he knows; and executes without even thinking twice about it.

Why bother with the truth, when it doesn't suit the argument? ;)

[J_Player]

Why lie about it, Dell? You clearly posted this version on TreasureNet, with the proper internet credit, before posting here


http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,258789.0.html

Posted Jul 19, 2009, 01:25:28 AM

Found on the internet. http://forum.treasurenet.com/Smileys/default/notworthy.gif Dell

Gold Detector Verses Dowsing Rod
Yup, Dell sure did post the same on Treasure net, and it ain't been changed. Looks like Dell got a good laugh. Honestly, I did get a big laugh at the pretenders who claim to adhere to fact, jumping all over each other with their assumptions. It didn't add any credibility to your interest in research, truth, or fact, but I did enjoy watching your antics. Thanks for that!
Good thing we figgered out Dell's trick before running off to Florida to win the $5000, or we would see him laughing even harder at the side of the football field. Maybe he would take his binoculars and camera to the bleachers to see who showed up, then post the photos on his website so all his friends can laugh too. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Best wishes,
J_P

[Qiaozhi]

On the other forums I posted, I seen how it might be construed, so I went back and modified to read I saw this on the internet. Unfortunately, on this forum it was too late to modify.

I did mistakenly credit folks here with the intelligence to click on the link to get the details before they leaped to conclusions. That was the error in my thinking.

Honestly, I did get a big laugh at the pretenders who claim to adhere to fact, jumping all over each other with their assumptions. It didn't add any credibility to your interest in research, truth, or fact, but I did enjoy watching your antics. Thanks for that!

And so it is, and always will be with the Skeptic clan, and Carl's forum. :D dell

Why lie about it, Dell? You clearly posted this version on TreasureNet, with the proper internet credit, before posting here


http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,258789.0.html

Posted Jul 19, 2009, 01:25:28 AM

Found on the internet. http://forum.treasurenet.com/Smileys/default/notworthy.gif Dell

Gold Detector Verses Dowsing Rod

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Dell - you've been busted!