Help for build one LRL...

[vistac2000]

Hi all friends...
Please help me to build one real LRL or Pistoldetector for remote sensing metals under the ground,
I find some posts and picture in this site, but if possible let's share our knowledge to build one real good remote sensing device...
I waiting for your nice ideas...

with regards, vistac2000 :)

[detectoman]

good strategie, mjmj

[aft_72005]

Vistac 2000,
Trying from what’s people share here . You cannot find completely circuit diagram
With details , that finally you having remote sense device work really for you .
Other idea, also study Carl remote sensing pages, some people said Lrods
Work , try it ,maybe working with you .
Best regards. :)

[vistac2000]

Hi Dear aft_72005,

Thanks for your advice,
I prefer build one LRL like Treasurescope that come in Carl pages,
What about Treasurescope performance, and did it really works ?

aft_72005, where are you from ?!!! ;)

with best wishes, vistac2000 :)

[J_Player]

Hi all friends...
Please help me to build one real LRL or Pistoldetector for remote sensing metals under the ground,
I find some posts and picture in this site, but if possible let's share our knowledge to build one real good remote sensing device...
I waiting for your nice ideas...

with regards, vistac2000 :)Hi Vistac2000,
It will be good to share our knowledge to build one real good remote sensing device.
But before we share our knowledge, we must first know what "one real good remote sensing device" means. That is, what do you want this remote sensing device to do?

You see, there are many kinds of remote sensing devices which perform different functions for finding metals under the ground. In order to provide the best help, we must first know exactly what you want the remote sensing device to do.

For example, if you want a remote sensing device to locate a buried treasure, and indicate what the metal is at a range of 1000 meters, and you also want the remote sensing device to continue to point the way to the treasure until you know exactly where to put the shovel, and then tell you how deep you must dig,... then this machine has not been perfected yet. But there are other remote sensing designs. Some will give good readings a small percentage of the time, while others will give good readings more often. Some long range detecting machines will give better readings from a long distance than when close to the treasure. Others are only good at close range. So you see... we must know what you want the long range detector to do before we can give good advice.

Since you ask "let's share our knowledge to build a real good remote sensing device..." maybe we should start with the technical information you will be sharing in this sharing session. This will help us to determine what is the best approach for you to build a remote metal sensing device. Can you tell us what you can contribute to the general knowledge of remote sensing of buried metals?

p.s. Where are you from? ;)

Best wishes,
J_P

[ivconic]

Hi all friends...
Please help me to build one real LRL or Pistoldetector for remote sensing metals under the ground,
I find some posts and picture in this site, but if possible let's share our knowledge to build one real good remote sensing device...
I waiting for your nice ideas...

with regards, vistac2000 :)

Doset daram! :)

I told you not to waste time with lrl's!? Didn't i?
Better buy...or build some gradiometer. I suggest you EPE gradiometer.
Regards!

[vistac2000]

Hi Dear J_Player,

Thank for your answer...
as you say, I want build a remote sensing device to locate a buried treasure and I able to select what kind of metal I want to search such as gold or silver or ...
now it can find metal at least 3-10 meter or more is better but at few 3-10 meter also is good enough ...

I am one single and action girl that love computer and electronic and treasure hunting theory, unlike the most other girls...!!!

I think there isn't any other girl in this site, thus take care me, dears... ;)

anyway, I study many posts and internet about remote sensing and I think we can locate metal under ground by natural resonance frequency of metals or determination of change earth magnetic field around the buried metals ...

Please tell any other your ideas to begin a serious post about building remote sensing device...

But about, where am I from ?!!!
See my picture carefully, what is your guess ? :cool:

with best wishes, vistac2000 :rolleyes:

[ivconic]

? ﻰﻌﻘﺍﻭ ‘ﺡﻴﺤﺼ ‘ﺕﺴﺭﺩ

[vistac2000]

Hi ivconic,

If remember you broken my heart ,but... I still love you dear... :)
also thanks for your advice ...

with best wishes, vistac2000 :rolleyes:

[ivconic]

From time to time i can act like elephant in a glass store.
Sorry for that.
Still i think it would be waste of time and energy to pay effort and trying to achieve any results with simillar lrl. You'll better take chance with gradiometer. I suggest you EPE project. Whole project was published in "Everyday Practical Electronics Magazine ", year 2004. july and august issues. Author is John Becker, my tribute to him! Hex code for PIC16F877 programming you can download from official EPE site.
I gave some details here:
http://hobidetektori.own0.com/ostali-tipovi-f7/epe-gradiometar-t425.htm

So....
I wish you good things in life! :)

[aft_72005]

Hi Dear aft_72005,

Thanks for your advice,
I prefer build one LRL like Treasurescope that come in Carl pages,
What about Treasurescope performance, and did it really works ?

aft_72005, where are you from ?!!! ;)

with best wishes, vistac2000 :)


Hi Vistac2000
About Treasurescope performance: I don’t know, saw some pictures at Turkish site.
It is low frequency generator, I cannot found any scientific linkage between it and
Long Buried metals. Also low frequency cannot circulate at the air by short antenna.

Is it important that where I am here?
Best regards.

[aft_72005]

locate metal under ground by natural resonance frequency of metals


It is story :lol::lol::lol:
:cheers:

[Fred]

Hi Vistac2k
Looking at you i would say you´re from Iran. :D
There is plenty of posts to read about LRL´s but no real recipe.
Esteban and Max are the ying and the yang ones on this matter.:lol:
Good luck,
Fred.

[aft_72005]

Hi Vistac2k
Looking at you i would say you´re from Iran. :D
There is plenty of posts to read about LRL´s but no real recipe.
Esteban and Max are the ying and the yang ones on this matter.:lol:
Good luck,
Fred.

Hi Fred :)
how you induct ,she ( or he ) is from Iran ?
may be our dear friend detectoman said true “good strategie, mjmj”( because vistac 2000 picture
is nice girl )
Also I am interest to learning from people faces .
Best regards.

[Qiaozhi]

Esteban and Max are the ying and the yang ones on this matter.:lol:
That's funny! :lol:

Yin means "hidden" and yang means "in the open".
So Esteban is from the dark side. :ninja:

[Fred]

Hi Fred :)
how you induct ,she ( or he ) is from Iran ?
may be our dear friend detectoman said true “good strategie, mjmj”( because vistac 2000 picture
is nice girl )
Also I am interest to learning from people faces .
Best regards.

Hi aft ,
I have alway liked to try to guess nationality by people faces, and as i travelled a lot when i was a young i suppose it helped.
Of course if i am right a girl TH in Iran must be something extraordinary ;)

That's funny! :lol:
Yin means "hidden" and yang means "in the open".
So Esteban is from the dark side. :ninja:

Had to toss a coin to choose :lol:

You sure hidden = dark side? ;)

[Esteban]

That's funny! :lol:

Yin means "hidden" and yang means "in the open".
So Esteban is from the dark side. :ninja:

The dark side of the moon (Pink Floyd). :lol: I hear it in the '74 at 15... and I believe that from this time Pink Floyd me fascinated. But prefer the light, because one of my favorite theme is Set the controls of the Hearth of the Sun... but the performed in Pompei. :lol:

[aft_72005]

as i travelled a lot when i was a young i suppose it helped.



Hi Fred :)
Are you traveled to Iran?
Best regards.

[aft_72005]

Hi Fred :)
Are you traveled to Iran?
Best regards.


Country with 7000 years age.
Also contained many treasures .
Best regards.

[1843]

Hi Fred :)
how you induct ,she ( or he ) is from Iran ?


You know him?!:razz:

[aft_72005]

You know him?!:razz:


Hi 1843 :)
I don’t know , but maybe I think knowing you .:D;)
Best regards.

[1843]

Hi 1843 :)
I don’t know , but maybe I think knowing you .:D;)
Best regards.
If you know me, What's my first name?:razz::lol:

[vistac2000]

Hi to all friends,

Let's to me introduce own, HORRAA for Fred!,
YES my name is SOLMAZ and 29 y.o from IRAN,

Iran is one ancient country with many of treasures within
and also many beautiful girls ;), as aft_72005 says,
Dear aft_72005, did are you from IRAN ?!

anyway, Please don't astray from our aim,
Dear ivconic said LRLs dont realy work and we must use gradiometer,
Thanks Dear ivconic,

Please tell me more about this device and it's performance and how to locate treasure under ground by it...

with best wishes, vistac2000 :rolleyes:

[ivconic]

Solmaz, we have already spoken about your primary detecting focus. So i do know what you are up to. Considering that i suggested you a magnetometer. To me seems pretty logical solution. Gradiometer/Magnetometer is just suitable for locating larger anomalies in soil, like caves, graveyards, large metal deposits etc..etc..
What you need is fully understanding of gradiometer working principles and phylosophy. Depending of exact model, features can varry a bit, from model to model. But generally, if you learn principles, you will be able to operate and use any other model in future. For a start EPE projects seems most suitable.
Instead me talking here about details and most probably confuse you even more with my not so always proper sentences - you better do surf the internet and do find hundreds of nice articles on that subject. You will learn and get good starting knowledge about gradiometers in generally.
EPE is easy to be made. Collect material and make it.
Only thing you must order from abroad would be Speake sensors. Not expensive at all.
It is easy to work with EPE. EPE allows you 2 working modes. For a start; "Bar" mode would be most illustrative for you as a beginner.
After couple of hours playing with "Bar" mode you will be able to successfully use another Screen mode.
You just have to obey some rules there. Null it properly and respect correct walking paths with it and of course orientations in Record mode.
Everything very good explained in John Becker article.
I tested EPE skimly at my backyard. Can easilly locate tunnels up to 8 meters in soil. Large oil barrell (200l) can locate up to 5-8 meters also.
Another friend who built it previously than me, from neighbor country, claims it has result with EPE even much better than my results. Large sewage tunnel (concrete and steel) he located cleary at 22 meters with EPE !!!
Picture in Graph mode was very clear. Man is very serious, not liar and not charlatan so i do beleive his claims.
Considering all this i assumed EPE would be most suitable tool for your needs.
Also not so hard to make it. I already made 2 devices.
So... go for it!
I wish you easy job and lot of success after!
Doset daram! (i remembered only this):):):)

[aft_72005]

If you know me, What's my first name?:razz::lol:


Hi 1843 :)
I don’t like disquisition about persons :frown:, any way this is what’s you want .:shrug:
Best regards.

[aft_72005]

Hi to all friends,

Let's to me introduce own, HORRAA for Fred!,
YES my name is SOLMAZ and 29 y.o from IRAN,

Iran is one ancient country with many of treasures within
and also many beautiful girls ;), as aft_72005 says,
Dear aft_72005, did are you from IRAN ?!

anyway, Please don't astray from our aim,
Dear ivconic said LRLs dont realy work and we must use gradiometer,
Thanks Dear ivconic,

Please tell me more about this device and it's performance and how to locate treasure under ground by it...

with best wishes, vistac2000 :rolleyes:


Hi Vistac 2000 :)
In my opinion nationality not important.
Suggestion our dear friend ivconic was good.:thumb:
Construct LRL devise which finally work having some problems.
Problem one, you need test aria and test condition. In other words
You need know place which conation treasure and very long buried valuable
Metals. Ok, if you know that place, why need to LRL?:lol:
Second , in my opinion at the first you need know theory of action .
I am scientific ,for me very important at the first theory and I research
About it.
I am serious about LRL. but consider , this way has many secret . :ninja:
Best regards.

[vistac2000]

Hi aft_72005

Thanks...
Are you any knowledge about building or testing Gradiometer/Magnetometer ?

with best wishes, vistac2000 :rolleyes:

[aft_72005]

What is your level at electronic science ?
Best regards.

[vistac2000]

Hi ivcoinc,
please check your yahoo mail...

;)

[1843]

Hi 1843 :)
I don’t like disquisition about persons :frown:, any way this is what’s you want .:shrug:
Best regards.

Sorry! I'm not Chris De Burgh!!!:lol:

[aft_72005]

Sorry! I'm not Chris De Burgh!!!:lol:



:lol::lol::lol:
Ok, better finished acting. consider I am not child . you clearly understand my opinion.

[Max]

Hi Vistac2k
Looking at you i would say you´re from Iran. :D
There is plenty of posts to read about LRL´s but no real recipe.
Esteban and Max are the ying and the yang ones on this matter.:lol:
Good luck,
Fred.

Hi,
who is the ying , and who's the yang ? ;)

You know ...with LRLs... you must be careful at definitions...:lol:

it's a confusing topic.

Kind regards,
Max

[Max]

Hi Fred :)
how you induct ,she ( or he ) is from Iran ?
may be our dear friend detectoman said true “good strategie, mjmj”( because vistac 2000 picture
is nice girl )
Also I am interest to learning from people faces .
Best regards.

Hi,
don't you remember the posts about the brass tea boiler...:D
memory loss ?

This kind of things... were/are really popular in some parts of the world still today.

Also, the picture shows specific informations if you look carefully. Faces can say much of people's origins, but often mistakes are possible...
how e.g. discriminate between true chinese people and e.g. vietnamese chinese-minority people (Zhuang) by faces only ?

It's like trying to discriminate between true africans black people and some black US citizens... plain impossible, genetics it's not enough in these cases.

So, other factors you'll must take into account... :rolleyes:

Kind regards,
Max

[Max]

Hi to all friends,

Let's to me introduce own, HORRAA for Fred!,
YES my name is SOLMAZ and 29 y.o from IRAN,

Iran is one ancient country with many of treasures within
and also many beautiful girls ;), as aft_72005 says,
Dear aft_72005, did are you from IRAN ?!

anyway, Please don't astray from our aim,
Dear ivconic said LRLs dont realy work and we must use gradiometer,
Thanks Dear ivconic,

Please tell me more about this device and it's performance and how to locate treasure under ground by it...

with best wishes, vistac2000 :rolleyes:

Hi,
though the gradiometer can't locate gold (unless we talk of tons of it) or any other diamagnetic metal you have good ability of locate deep ferromagnetic stuff...

This could be useful in the case the treasure is not gold alone or other precius item but also have e.g. an iron box ... or there are iron artifacts e.g. in a tunnel or underground room and the like.

In your country it's possible that... cause underground rooms were employed to hide such stuff... from very ancient time.

You could also locate a ferromagnetic item that has a value for its historical background... everything is possible.

But take care... required. Remember that magnetometers/gradiometers must be used with lot of care... in areas where are old e.g. mines or unexploded bombs and similar stuff... indeed it's very easy in such places finding that way , at even very high depth of several meters, big and dangerous things.

Sure... something with discrimination would be better and save work and troubles... but at depth we are talking about nothing really exist that can discriminate stuff.:rolleyes:

Kind regards,
Max

[Qiaozhi]

You sure hidden = dark side? ;)
Yin and yang are the two opposing forces in Taoist philosophy. Yang is the force associated with being overt, in the sun, and positive. Whereas yin has to do with things hidden or occult, cloudy and negative.
Therefore yin goes together with LRLs quite well. ;)

Yang is also considered to be masculine, and yin is feminine ... but we won't go there! :lol:

[Max]

Yin and yang are the two opposing forces in Taoist philosophy. Yang is the force associated with being overt, in the sun, and positive. Whereas yin has to do with things hidden or occult, cloudy and negative.
Therefore yin goes together with LRLs quite well. ;)

Yang is also considered to be masculine, and yin is feminine ... but we won't go there! :lol:

Yang don't mix with LRL... unless someone will no't confuse the LRL-rod with something phallic! :rolleyes:

You know... always they talk of pistols, rods, antennas... kinda of obsession! :lol:

Maybe all this it's size related, inverse proportional...;)

Kind regards,
Max

[Fred]

Hi,
don't you remember the posts about the brass tea boiler...:D
memory loss ?

This kind of things... were/are really popular in some parts of the world still today.

Also, the picture shows specific informations if you look carefully. Faces can say much of people's origins, but often mistakes are possible...
how e.g. discriminate between true chinese people and e.g. vietnamese chinese-minority people (Zhuang) by faces only ?
Max

Hi Max
For a dark sider you are very enlightened sometimes :lol: ;)

Yin and yang are the two opposing forces in Taoist philosophy. Yang is the force associated with being overt, in the sun, and positive. Whereas yin has to do with things hidden or occult, cloudy and negative.
Therefore yin goes together with LRLs quite well. ;)

Yang is also considered to be masculine, and yin is feminine ... but we won't go there! :lol:

Ok Qiaozhi, and they don´t exist without each other aparently, but i was being ironic ...this was a bit obscure i guess :D
About the Yin, feminine, i didn´t know it was related to the hidden side :rolleyes:

[Max]

Hi Max
For a dark sider you are very enlightened sometimes :lol: ;)



Ok Qiaozhi, and they don´t exist without each other aparently, but i was being ironic ...this was a bit obscure i guess :D
About the Yin, feminine, i didn´t know it was related to the hidden side :rolleyes:

I like that tea boilers... :lol:

I remember once I saw one... in a house... of an old man, was not in use anymore, of course, kind of relics from another age I think.

I asked him about and he provided lot of informations about... then we drink but not tea... good Madeira if I remember well. :rolleyes:

But this is another story... ;)

Kind regards,
Max

[vistac2000]

Hi MAX,

you say gradiometer can't locate gold or treasure?!

Thus what device can locate treasure in 2-3 meter or even more depth under ground ?

with best wishes, vistac2000 :rolleyes:

[aft_72005]

Hi,
don't you remember the posts about the brass tea boiler...:D
memory loss ?

This kind of things... were/are really popular in some parts of the world still today.

Also, the picture shows specific informations if you look carefully. Faces can say much of people's origins, but often mistakes are possible...
how e.g. discriminate between true chinese people and e.g. vietnamese chinese-minority people (Zhuang) by faces only ?

It's like trying to discriminate between true africans black people and some black US citizens... plain impossible, genetics it's not enough in these cases.

So, other factors you'll must take into account... :rolleyes:

Kind regards,
Max


Hi Max :)
I agree , completely true
My opinion was , vistac 2000 picture is nice girl .
May be intentional , he uploaded nice girl picture for attracting.
As detectoman said “ new strategy “ to secrets of LRLland ?
Best regards.

[J_Player]

I like that tea boilers... :lol:

I remember once I saw one... in a house... of an old man, was not in use anymore, of course, kind of relics from another age I think.

I asked him about and he provided lot of informations about... then we drink but not tea... good Madeira if I remember well. :rolleyes:
Hi Max :)
I agree , completely true
My opinion was , vistac 2000 picture is nice girl .
May be intentional , he uploaded nice girl picture for attracting.
As detectoman said “ new strategy “ to secrets of LRLland ?
Best regards.Hmmmm....
Can a gradiometer detect a deeply buried brass tea boiler?
Maybe a RangerTell Examiner could... or a PD?

Best wishes,
J_P

[vistac2000]

Hi aft_72005,

You must have a better action with a girl...
Are you from IRAN ?

We come here to share our knowledge, not to deceive each other...
I can ascertain to you that I am a girl, although this is not important that what you think about me ...
Let's be better ....

anyway, There isn't and other idea about building and using Gradiometer ?!!!

[aft_72005]

Hi aft_72005,

You must have a better action with a girl...
Are you from IRAN ?

We come here to share our knowledge, not to deceive each other...
I can ascertain to you that I am a girl, although this is not important that what you think about me ...
Let's be better ....

anyway, There isn't and other idea about building and using Gradiometer ?!!!




hi vistac 2000 :)
excuse me lady. :???:
I built various tape metal detectors with success at all .
I am very interesting about Long range detectors, and research now.
If reach to level that I know theory complete. I am be able design circuit
( I am no reproducer , no seller ) Only for myself
Also I very thanking from my LRL friend, I am under promised to my
Friend . ;);):ninja::ninja:therefore nothing any for more answer.
Best regards.

[aft_72005]

Hmmmm....
Can a gradiometer detect a deeply buried brass tea boiler?
Maybe a RangerTell Examiner could... or a PD?

Best wishes,
J_P



Hi J_Player
At the first how are you friend?:)
I forget, Max on right way. Gradiometer doesn’t detect nonferrous metals.
I didn’t work with RangerTell Examiner therefore don’t have opinion.
About PD , studying ……………………………………
Best regards. :)

[Max]

Hi MAX,

you say gradiometer can't locate gold or treasure?!

Thus what device can locate treasure in 2-3 meter or even more depth under ground ?

with best wishes, vistac2000 :rolleyes:

Hi,
small diamagnetic masses are not detected by magnetometers/gradiometers... (well, not fully right... some are better than others... but we are talking here of fluxgate sensors equipped gradiometer like EPE project is).
If we talk of large masses, in the tons range maybe you have some possibility to get useful signal from a simple gradiometer too.
(opposite deviation respect to ferromagnetic... diamagnetic materials distort magnetic fields in a way you can see lowered intensity respect to background level... but then can confuse with voids too)

But I don't know of such large treasures , involving tons of gold or other diamagnetic valuable metals... the few ones I rememeber are mostly from ship wrecks e.g. spanish near bahama islands / florida not in e.g. underground rooms in the middle east... maybe them exist... but I don't know.

I think the best solution for 2-3meters depth is a PI detector with a large coil like the old pulsestarII and newer/other ones.

That's cause they give you continous reading (gradiometers can do the same... but response time in somehow slow respect mds) and accurate localization of the metallic mass.

If the e.g. gold mass is in the Kgs order then no simple gradiometer will see it... but the depth PI will , and you could also (roughly) discriminate targets (even if I don't suggest you do that cause better dig anything than missing good stuff).

The problem is, of course, that if you locate a buried pipe at 3 meters... to be sure you must dig a pit of 3 meters... reach the target and then waste time and efforts for nothing.

But if you know you're in a RICH place... full of GOOD items it's worth finding a pipe or rusty iron stuff from time to time... but also the valuable stuff.

Kind regards,
Max

[Max]

Hmmmm....
Can a gradiometer detect a deeply buried brass tea boiler?
Maybe a RangerTell Examiner could... or a PD?

Best wishes,
J_P

But she found it with a conventional PI md... not gradiometer!
Memory losses... :D

Details are important.:rolleyes:

Kind regards,
Max

[Max]

hi vistac 2000 :)
excuse me lady. :???:
I built various tape metal detectors with success at all .
I am very interesting about Long range detectors, and research now.
If reach to level that I know theory complete. I am be able design circuit
( I am no reproducer , no seller ) Only for myself
Also I very thanking from my LRL friend, I am under promised to my
Friend . ;);):ninja::ninja:therefore nothing any for more answer.
Best regards.

Hmmmm.... hope your pen pal isn't Dr. Hung! :lol:

Kind regards,
Max

[Fred]

Hi aft_72005,

You must have a better action with a girl...
Are you from IRAN ?

Hi Girl,
Yes he is, i thought you where his sister...;)

Anyway why don´t you want to use a regular metal detector, or for big objects a two boxes or something similar?
If it is for you own use and in a such historically rich country it should be enought to find what you need.
And there is enought info on this forum to build good ones.

As i said earlier, there is no proven working LRL in the world,(Sorry Esteban :D ) so if your interest resides in developing one this is cool, but you have a long way to go.
Good luck,
Fred.

[vistac2000]

Hi Fred,

Thanks,
Yes there are some info about two boxes,
But which two box is better for building...?

[vistac2000]

Hi ivconic,
Did you get my mail ?!
I waiting for you...

[michael]

Hi all.
and hi girl from Turk tribes of Iran.:D
Don't bother yourself to search for a fantastic detector.
at first; do you yourself know what kind of targets want to search for? a single coin, a fistful of coins or not for a real massive target(treasure) for two ones none of gradiometer/magnetometers or best GPRs like GSSI are necessary or even work, so you need a simple metal detector to find them at surface.
surely big targets are at great depths, now with a good MD or other type of detectors wont conclude.
why? cos all of them are armed to jinn or spell and they never let you even approach to treasure.
so at first you should go and seriously cogitate on this matter. this is very serious especially in your country.
take it serious. supposedly you now have found an exact point of treasure, now your main problems start.
otherwise on a true location almost all detectors have reactions.
of course I know all friends here except to J-Player laugh at these mentions as done before, but it's a fact when got a location will reach to my advices.
harmless to take a look at here: http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12663

Meanwhile, if you're really a girl( that I seriously hesitate :cool:) how can you look for treasure in such country where THing is entirely illegal
and THers have to do it at night with confronting to various dangers??????
So either you do it on hobby level in a house or villa or do it among with your family; brother, …… :D

[humhum]

Hi all.
and hi girl from Turk tribes of Iran.:D
Don't bother yourself to search for a fantastic detector.
at first; do you yourself know what kind of targets want to search for? a single coin, a fistful of coins or not for a real massive target(treasure) for two ones none of gradiometer/magnetometers or best GPRs like GSSI are necessary or even work, so you need a simple metal detector to find them at surface.
surely big targets are at great depths, now with a good MD or other type of detectors wont conclude.
why? cos all of them are armed to jinn or spell and they never let you even approach to treasure.
so at first you should go and seriously cogitate on this matter. this is very serious especially in your country.
take it serious. supposedly you now have found an exact point of treasure, now your main problems start.
otherwise on a true location almost all detectors have reactions.
of course I know all friends here except to J-Player laugh at these mentions as done before, but it's a fact when got a location will reach to my advices.
harmless to take a look at here: http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12663

Meanwhile, if you're really a girl( that I seriously hesitate :cool:) how can you look for treasure in such country where THing is entirely illegal
and THers have to do it at night with confronting to various dangers??????
So either you do it on hobby level in a house or villa or do it among with your family; brother, …… :D


Michael ,ne yapmak gerek? Etkili dua'n var mı?.

[michael]

Michael ,ne yapmak gerek? Etkili dua'n var mı?. Hi Humhum.
No, Dua( praying) never works. we had done so much of these with various strange types and formulas, never worked and me personally was hit of one of them.
It only needs an knowledgeable Guru who can repel or to kill and conquer the guards. after a hard searching we found one guy and took him on the location.
although we could see nothing, but clearly felt ground quaking or shivering at that location.
after about 5 or 7-8 minutes he told: "the work is finished I put my own guards here no one either human or jinn can approach it unless you and your partners" and he gave us some needles and told; "these are as ID card you should stud and fix it on your shirts when decided to dig. otherwise will be hurt."

of course he refused of telling more info, but we all became sure this guy is a kind of master of some other jinn that obeyed him and were more powerful which could conquer the guards of the treasure.
oh, I'm sure this will be another matter of laughing for some friends, no problem.:D

[J_Player]

Hi all.
and hi girl from Turk tribes of Iran.:D
...all of them are armed to jinn or spell and they never let you even approach to treasure.
so at first you should go and seriously cogitate on this matter. this is very serious especially in your country.
take it serious. supposedly you now have found an exact point of treasure, now your main problems start.

...Meanwhile, if you're really a girl( that I seriously hesitate :cool:) how can you look for treasure in such country where THing is entirely illegal
and THers have to do it at night with confronting to various dangers??????
So either you do it on hobby level in a house or villa or do it among with your family; brother, …… :DHmmmm...
Can it be that Vistac20000 is not really a girl? :shocked:

If Vistac2000 is a man pretending to be a girl, then can we expect the Jinns to take out their full wrath on him when he locates a forbidden treasure? Will Vistac2000 still be here to post after locaitng a fabulous treasure in Iran?

I guess this might depend on if Vistac2000 is a girl as was posted in the forum, or is really a man pretending to be a girl. I wonder if Jinns have a special affection for girls, and will allow them to recover treasures that are forbidden to men? I don't really know the preferences of the Jinns because I have never met one in person.

This makes me wonder....
The reports of Jinns have come from India and the Middle East. We also have reports of leprechauns in Ireland, which are said to be certainly jinns, as well. But what about the rest of the world? Why do we not hear of the problems of Jinns in the Americas, and in China, or Southern Africa?

The traditions go back many centuries, to the times of ancient Babylonia, where Jinns were first cited. The original home of the Jinns was between the northern foothills of India and the center of Iraq. Maybe this sheds some light on the reason why we hear so many reports of Jinns from locations not too far from these origins.

After all the centuries an millenniums of mankind migrating over the entire world, it is surprising that the jinns did not follow along with the rest of civilization. But apparently they did not. They remain in their homelands patiently guarding treasures of ancient origin.

What is interesting is the exceptions in the territories that are guarded by Jinns. the leprechauns in Ireland, for example. What caused the jinns to send midget scouts to Ireland to guard gold? Did word get back to their headquarters that someone had smuggled a treasure from the middle east to Ireland? Or was it for another reason? It seems these Irish jinns (leprechauns) are quite clever at tricking treasure hunters, and don't need to resort to using physical violence as much as the jinns from the Middle East and Indian homelands.

And it is only in rare cases that we hear stories of jinns in the Americas. There are a number of tales told from Central America and even North America of strange phenomena occurring during treasure hunts that can only be attributed to the presence of jinns. It would seem reasonable that there are fewer jinns in the Americas, due to the long trip across the oceans. But maybe they crossed through the Siberian land bridge to Alaska before it became submerged eons ago. This would certainly be more easily accomplished by creatures that are known to prefer subterranean land travel. I suppose that because of the narrow land bridge in Alaska that was only open for a short time (relative to the history of the earth), and because of its remote location, so distant from the Middle East and Indian foothills, the jins did not find much opportunity to cross over into the Americas in great numbers.

In light of the jinn problem which is apparently concentrated in the regions around the Middle East and India, I feel great concern for Vistac2000. And I hope the Jinns are more lenient with women. (hopefully Vistac2000 is really a woman!)

Best wishes,
J_P

[Max]

Hmmmm...
Can it be that Vistac20000 is not really a girl? :shocked:

If Vistac2000 is a man pretending to be a girl, then can we expect the Jinns to take out their full wrath on him when he locates a forbidden treasure? Will Vistac2000 still be here to post after locaitng a fabulous treasure in Iran?

I guess this might depend on if Vistac2000 is a girl as was posted in the forum, or is really a man pretending to be a girl. I wonder if Jinns have a special affection for girls, and will allow them to recover treasures that are forbidden to men? I don't really know the preferences of the Jinns because I have never met one in person.

This makes me wonder....
The reports of Jinns have come from India and the Middle East. We also have reports of leprechauns in Ireland, which are said to be certainly jinns, as well. But what about the rest of the world? Why do we not hear of the problems of Jinns in the Americas, and in China, or Southern Africa?

The traditions go back many centuries, to the times of ancient Babylonia, where Jinns were first cited. The original home of the Jinns was between the northern foothills of India and the center of Iraq. Maybe this sheds some light on the reason why we hear so many reports of Jinns from locations not too far from these origins.

After all the centuries an millenniums of mankind migrating over the entire world, it is surprising that the jinns did not follow along with the rest of civilization. But apparently they did not. They remain in their homelands patiently guarding treasures of ancient origin.

What is interesting is the exceptions in the territories that are guarded by Jinns. the leprechauns in Ireland, for example. What caused the jinns to send midget scouts to Ireland to guard gold? Did word get back to their headquarters that someone had smuggled a treasure from the middle east to Ireland? Or was it for another reason? It seems these Irish jinns (leprechauns) are quite clever at tricking treasure hunters, and don't need to resort to using physical violence as much as the jinns from the Middle East and Indian homelands.

And it is only in rare cases that we hear stories of jinns in the Americas. There are a number of tales told from Central America and even North America of strange phenomena occurring during treasure hunts that can only be attributed to the presence of jinns. It would seem reasonable that there are fewer jinns in the Americas, due to the long trip across the oceans. But maybe they crossed through the Siberian land bridge to Alaska before it became submerged eons ago. This would certainly be more easily accomplished by creatures that are known to prefer subterranean land travel. I suppose that because of the narrow land bridge in Alaska that was only open for a short time (relative to the history of the earth), and because of its remote location, so distant from the Middle East and Indian foothills, the jins did not find much opportunity to cross over into the Americas in great numbers.

In light of the jinn problem which is apparently concentrated in the regions around the Middle East and India, I feel great concern for Vistac2000. And I hope the Jinns are more lenient with women. (hopefully Vistac2000 is really a woman!)

Best wishes,
J_P

(hopefully Vistac2000 is really a woman!) :rolleyes:

If not... I think jinns will make surgery adaptation work for free! :D

One reason jinns are just in Middle East or India is maybe that they are evoked by that formulas... and so they were/are responsible just for that treasures ...not foreign ones. ;)

If so, it's clear that who don't know formulas cannot evoke them... and that explains why old Middle East or India treasures are protected by jinns evoked in ancient times and not in europe! :rolleyes:

About Ireland... I think the average blood alcohol content is too high to take that stories seriously... :lol:

Kind regards,
Max

[vistac2000]

Hi michael and J_Player,

Yes I also hear that some treasures protected by jinns and even treasure can move under the ground, but I don't see this yet !
In my country there are many treasure and cruses full of gold coins, I must say I want search a lot of coins in curses or golden idols and treasure under ground at least 2-3 meter in depth,

With these condition, what kind of MD is good for me:
PI MD?
Two boxes MD?
Gradiometer/magnetometers ?
GPR?
or ...other one?

Dear michael, I haven't any brother, but I have some good Friends to help me to treasure Hunting...!!!

Also I must say, I have some treasure codex, and I almost located these places, but I need a good and deep search MD to locate these treasures exactly... :D
I am waiting for your guide, dears... :razz:

[1843]

Vistac, What's the image you attached?

[michael]

Hmmmm...
Can it be that Vistac20000 is not really a girl? :shocked:

If Vistac2000 is a man pretending to be a girl, then can we expect the Jinns to take out their full wrath on him when he locates a forbidden treasure? Will Vistac2000 still be here to post after locaitng a fabulous treasure in Iran?

I guess this might depend on if Vistac2000 is a girl as was posted in the forum, or is really a man pretending to be a girl. I wonder if Jinns have a special affection for girls, and will allow them to recover treasures that are forbidden to men? I don't really know the preferences of the Jinns because I have never met one in person.

This makes me wonder....
The reports of Jinns have come from India and the Middle East. We also have reports of leprechauns in Ireland, which are said to be certainly jinns, as well. But what about the rest of the world? Why do we not hear of the problems of Jinns in the Americas, and in China, or Southern Africa?

The traditions go back many centuries, to the times of ancient Babylonia, where Jinns were first cited. The original home of the Jinns was between the northern foothills of India and the center of Iraq. Maybe this sheds some light on the reason why we hear so many reports of Jinns from locations not too far from these origins.

After all the centuries an millenniums of mankind migrating over the entire world, it is surprising that the jinns did not follow along with the rest of civilization. But apparently they did not. They remain in their homelands patiently guarding treasures of ancient origin.

What is interesting is the exceptions in the territories that are guarded by Jinns. the leprechauns in Ireland, for example. What caused the jinns to send midget scouts to Ireland to guard gold? Did word get back to their headquarters that someone had smuggled a treasure from the middle east to Ireland? Or was it for another reason? It seems these Irish jinns (leprechauns) are quite clever at tricking treasure hunters, and don't need to resort to using physical violence as much as the jinns from the Middle East and Indian homelands.

And it is only in rare cases that we hear stories of jinns in the Americas. There are a number of tales told from Central America and even North America of strange phenomena occurring during treasure hunts that can only be attributed to the presence of jinns. It would seem reasonable that there are fewer jinns in the Americas, due to the long trip across the oceans. But maybe they crossed through the Siberian land bridge to Alaska before it became submerged eons ago. This would certainly be more easily accomplished by creatures that are known to prefer subterranean land travel. I suppose that because of the narrow land bridge in Alaska that was only open for a short time (relative to the history of the earth), and because of its remote location, so distant from the Middle East and Indian foothills, the jins did not find much opportunity to cross over into the Americas in great numbers.

In light of the jinn problem which is apparently concentrated in the regions around the Middle East and India, I feel great concern for Vistac2000. And I hope the Jinns are more lenient with women. (hopefully Vistac2000 is really a woman!) Best wishes, J_P

Hi dear J_Player.
some parts of your comments are right, but jinns are living all around the world without many of human limitations;
they don't need vehicle to transport, they move very fast and can go to other points of world easily of course have their own rules, tribes, boss and very careful in observing their rules and boss.
e.g. one of their rules is: "never annoy or molest human unless they make problem for you and aggress."
one of the very rare places human can make problem that is unpleasant for them is treasure hunting( of course in very professional level at great depths or sometimes at medium depths) this will provoke them to react; they can easily affect on human mind (chakrah) to discourage us this is first step.
next step is a little hit like what did with me; make very sever headache and a very sever pain on my ankle, which I couldn't sit for 2 months, if human proceeds, will make strange voices like loud crying or screaming to make you give up, and if again persist, will hurt seriously; as they are incredibly powerful will kill immediately.

I wrote this previously here;
one friend told me he has seen burnt body like a charcoal at bottom of a dug well on a treasure point. Although in some cases they move treasure very fast to another point.
of course there are very unknown aspects of these strange creatures which very rare humans know about like our Guru and when question them, try to not reveal secrets of jinns world.
This is now somewhat clear for me that some humans who are very rare, have powers to hire or employ(something like this) some especial jinns to use them against guards of treasures.
what I've got by this time is that guards were especial selected jinns more powerful than others of their races. so can conclude in ancient eras people had access to a weird science to employ such jinns for their treasures and mostly reigns in Middle east countries, India had this weird science though in some other countries like Turkey ,Greek ,… was somehow so.[ Okantex and Geo know better]. as unlike human, jinns live for thousands years, OK, you can guess; it has been the best way for keep the treasure that lasted by this time.

one thing our Guru told us was that jinns like gold much more than human especially when it becomes ancient they love it more than their life. so after death of owner they never leave it and consider themselves as owner of treasure. so makes no difference for them that trespasser to their den be a man or woman, will react the same.:rolleyes:
Our Guru said for this reason there is only one way; to persuade them to leave it for us which mostly don’t accept or fight to scare away or kill them cos treasure essentially belonged and belongs to human kind not jinns and how much of lives had taken and bloods shed to gather such treasures it is not their share and never belongs them. Humans used them to guard for some while not everlasting, jinns for their great interests to gold can’t leave, so that only way remains is push them out with using force and it’s not an ordinary war.
oh, there are much more things to tell about which is out of patience and unable to tell.........:frown:

[michael]

Hi michael and J_Player,

Yes I also hear that some treasures protected by jinns and even treasure can move under the ground, but I don't see this yet !
In my country there are many treasure and cruses full of gold coins, I must say I want search a lot of coins in curses or golden idols and treasure under ground at least 2-3 meter in depth,
Dear michael, I haven't any brother, but I have some good Friends to help me to treasure Hunting...!!!

Also I must say, I have some treasure codex, and I almost located these places, but I need a good and deep search MD to locate these treasures exactly... :D
I am waiting for your guide, dears... :razz:
Hi, if so, be sure is armed with spell/jinns, not easy as you think. they won't let you catch it. So one time you will feel must start another line-subject to cast the spell.
we found such place exact point with our unique PI, where seems be a 10m x 10m full of objects at about 10-12m, but after that problems appeared one by one and we knew the spell (jinns) were highly powerful, so we gave up and left it at 8 meters and began with smallest one we found, now we are at 9 meters and see what god's destined for us.

As an aside; 2-3 meters? It's not very deep I thought you search at depth 2-3 times deeper. If so, any kind of good PIs work for you; Lorenze, pulse starII,…..and what I heard recently from my friend; Nokta Gold King is good detector, but is very heavy. www.noktadedektor.com (http://www.noktadedektor.com)

One another thing; If you really have some treasure codex ; which is very careful detailed treasure map, so why look for a LRL to search a vast area?;)
Prepare one good PI machine and search the place.:cool:

[J_Player]

one thing our Guru told us was that jinns like gold much more than human especially when it becomes ancient they love it more than their life. so after death of owner they never leave it and consider themselves as owner of treasure.Hmmm..
If Jinns are motivated by their love for gold, and they are located all over the world, I wonder why they only guard the gold that has been purposefully put there by someone. I am thinking that if these Jinn guards are under the ground, then surely they would have seen the huge nuggets that have been found by people in the USA during the gold rush days, and they would have guarded these with their lives the same as they guard treasures in the Middle East and India areas. And what about the gold that was mined in the Philippines and Central America during the Spanish occupation 500 years ago? There were literally shiploads of gold that were freely taken from the ground without any Jinn intervention. And today, we have large underground repositories for gold. Fort Knox, for example would be a prime location for Jinns to build their dens. Yet the human guards at Fort Knox have never been disturbed by the Jinn guards who love buried gold so much. Strange creatures, these Jinns...

Best wishes,
J_P

[Esteban]

Hi Vistac2000

You can build a 2 boxes. Go here
http://www.geotech1.com/cgi-bin/pages/common/index.pl?page=main&file=main.dat (http://www.geotech1.com/cgi-bin/pages/common/index.pl?page=main&file=main.dat)

and in metal detectors search for projects. See Deep-Seeking Metal Locator. This must be constructed very well and found better distance between 2 boxes. Here you can try different cores and adjust with capacitor. See the pic of depth you can achieve on "benign" soil.

[mrezaee31]

hi
you can help me for make & modify treasure hunting ,please
kind regards

[Qiaozhi]

Hmmm..
If Jinns are motivated by their love for gold, and they are located all over the world, I wonder why they only guard the gold that has been purposefully put there by someone. I am thinking that if these Jinn guards are under the ground, then surely they would have seen the huge nuggets that have been found by people in the USA during the gold rush days, and they would have guarded these with their lives the same as they guard treasures in the Middle East and India areas. And what about the gold that was mined in the Philippines and Central America during the Spanish occupation 500 years ago? There were literally shiploads of gold that were freely taken from the ground without any Jinn intervention. And today, we have large underground repositories for gold. Fort Knox, for example would be a prime location for Jinns to build their dens. Yet the human guards at Fort Knox have never been disturbed by the Jinn guards who love buried gold so much. Strange creatures, these Jinns...

Best wishes,
J_P
I've tried to resist answering this thread ..... but I can't help it!
Even the mention of such nonsense on a technical forum is beyond belief. :stars:

My gast has never been so flabbered!
(Hmmm... might be a tricky one for non English speakers.) ;)

[vistac2000]

Hi Esteban (http://www.geotech1.com/forums/member.php?u=24),

Thanks,
I study Deep-Seeking Metal Locator,

[J_Player]

I've tried to resist answering this thread ..... but I can't help it!
Even the mention of such nonsense on a technical forum is beyond belief. :stars:

My gast has never been so flabbered!
(Hmmm... might be a tricky one for non English speakers.) ;)Hi Qiaozhi,
Personally, I have never considered the threat of treasures that are riddled with Jinns until they were brought to our attention by treasure hunters in the Geotech forums. While there is no scientific basis to support the existence of these Jinns, we have numerous reports by long-time treasure hunters who have seen them or have met with the wrath of these reportedly invisible creatures who become more than visible when their prize treasures are threatened. When a credible forum member with long experience in hunting large treasures reports his difficulty in walking for weeks due to the unyielding misery of a Jinn attack, it's enough to flabber your gast!

While I have not experienced the eternal torment of the guard Jinns, I must believe that michael is reporting what he saw and experienced, as well as others from those parts of the world. This causes me to feel concern for the safety of Vistac2000, who is planning to embark on a similar mission not too far from the center of where the Jinns are reported to be on alert in large numbers. Can Vistac2000 proceed without danger of of having her/his gast flabbered by Jinns?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Theseus]

I've tried to resist answering this thread ..... but I can't help it!
Even the mention of such nonsense on a technical forum is beyond belief. :stars:

My gast has never been so flabbered!
(Hmmm... might be a tricky one for non English speakers.) ;)

Mine either.............. I think it's the time of year, or maybe it has something to do with global warming (or cooling); whichever one you personally think is going on. :D

One thing is for certain, now besides grey clouds following me around, I must worry about the Jinns. :frown:

Reminds me of a little limerick ----

I saw a man upon the stair
A little man
who wasn't there
He wasn't there again today
I wish to heck he'd go away


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Jinns indeed....

[J_Player]

Mine either.............. I think it's the time of year, or maybe it has something to do with global warming (or cooling); whichever one you personally think is going on. :D

One thing is for certain, now besides grey clouds following me around, I must worry about the Jinns. :frown:

Reminds me of a little limerick ----

I saw a man upon the stair
A little man
who wasn't there
He wasn't there again today
I wish to heck he'd go away


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Jinns indeed....Was this limerick first recited by an Irishman who had his gold hidden by a leprechaun? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Best wishes,
J_P

[J_Player]

.

[J_Player]

Mine either.............. I think it's the time of year, or maybe it has something to do with global warming (or cooling); whichever one you personally think is going on. :D

One thing is for certain, now besides grey clouds following me around, I must worry about the Jinns. :frown:

.... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Jinns indeed....Hi Theseus,
Actually, in the USA there has been a tradition for some television broadcasters to play old black and white episodes of Rod Serling's original "Twilight Zone" TV programs non-stop, in marathon fashion during the weekend of independence day. These old episodes have been playing for two days already, and will not stop until tomorrow. The broadcasting of these old programs may tend to tend to revive the imaginations of some tv watchers. Unfortunately I don't own a TV, so I must rely on the reports I read in the Geotech forums.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Max]

Hi Vistac2000

You can build a 2 boxes. Go here
http://www.geotech1.com/cgi-bin/pages/common/index.pl?page=main&file=main.dat (http://www.geotech1.com/cgi-bin/pages/common/index.pl?page=main&file=main.dat)

and in metal detectors search for projects. See Deep-Seeking Metal Locator. This must be constructed very well and found better distance between 2 boxes. Here you can try different cores and adjust with capacitor. See the pic of depth you can achieve on "benign" soil.

???
Is conventional MD! :lol:

Didn't you bring detectoman's dog all your secrets for LRLs and remote gold localization ??? :D

Why don't you put here for sweet her (well... have my doubts SHE is but anyway) Vistac2000 ??? :razz:

Have detectoman's dog more appeal to you than Vistac2000's avatar ??? :rolleyes:

I'm a bit confused...:eek:

[Qiaozhi]

Hi Qiaozhi,
Personally, I have never considered the threat of treasures that are riddled with Jinns until they were brought to our attention by treasure hunters in the Geotech forums. While there is no scientific basis to support the existence of these Jinns, we have numerous reports by long-time treasure hunters who have seen them or have met with the wrath of these reportedly invisible creatures who become more than visible when their prize treasures are threatened. When a credible forum member with long experience in hunting large treasures reports his difficulty in walking for weeks due to the unyielding misery of a Jinn attack, it's enough to flabber your gast!

While I have not experienced the eternal torment of the guard Jinns, I must believe that michael is reporting what he saw and experienced, as well as others from those parts of the world. This causes me to feel concern for the safety of Vistac2000, who is planning to embark on a similar mission not too far from the center of where the Jinns are reported to be on alert in large numbers. Can Vistac2000 proceed without danger of of having her/his gast flabbered by Jinns?

Best wishes,
J_P
When so-called psychics provide advice, which can affect your life decisions, then this becomes a dangerous subject. While psychic predictions can be an amusing diversion for some, taking this stuff seriously could adversely affect your health. Although dowsing (and related devices) could be tared with the same brush, it is is far less serious. On average the worst that can happen is that your wallet will be slightly less heavy. At least you do get something for your money ... an education. Some people (who probably should go unmentioned here, but they'll know who they are) actually learn nothing, and completely fail to see that it's just a "trick of the mind", albeit a very good trick. There are some who also learn that this is a way of making a fast buck, and go on to become wallet miners themselves.

Whenever you encounter other strange phenomenon (such as Jinns, for example) you need to test your belief system. The whole idea of Jinns is counter-intuitive and non scientific. So you should seriously ask yourself ... am I being deceived by my senses? The answer, in this case, is undoubtedly "yes".

[Qiaozhi]

When so-called psychics provide advice, which can affect your life decisions, then this becomes a dangerous subject. While psychic predictions can be an amusing diversion for some, taking this stuff seriously could adversely affect your health. Although dowsing (and related devices) could be tared with the same brush, it is is far less serious. On average the worst that can happen is that your wallet will be slightly less heavy. At least you do get something for your money ... an education. Some people (who probably should go unmentioned here, but they'll know who they are) actually learn nothing, and completely fail to see that it's just a "trick of the mind", albeit a very good trick. There are some who also learn that this is a way of making a fast buck, and go on to become wallet miners themselves.

Whenever you encounter other strange phenomenon (such as Jinns, for example) you need to test your belief system. The whole idea of Jinns is counter-intuitive and non scientific. So you should seriously ask yourself ... am I being deceived by my senses? The answer, in this case, is undoubtedly "yes".

[Esteban]

???
Is conventional MD! :lol:

Didn't you bring detectoman's dog all your secrets for LRLs and remote gold localization ??? :D

Why don't you put here for sweet her (well... have my doubts SHE is but anyway) Vistac2000 ??? :razz:

Have detectoman's dog more appeal to you than Vistac2000's avatar ??? :rolleyes:

I'm a bit confused...:eek:

Read, she asked for:

Hi michael and J_Player,

Yes I also hear that some treasures protected by jinns and even treasure can move under the ground, but I don't see this yet !
In my country there are many treasure and cruses full of gold coins, I must say I want search a lot of coins in curses or golden idols and treasure under ground at least 2-3 meter in depth,

With these condition, what kind of MD is good for me:
PI MD?
Two boxes MD?
Gradiometer/magnetometers ?
GPR?
or ...other one?

Did you understand? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Confused? Yes!!! :razz:

Regards

[michael]

Hmmm..
If Jinns are motivated by their love for gold, and they are located all over the world, I wonder why they only guard the gold that has been purposefully put there by someone. I am thinking that if these Jinn guards are under the ground, then surely they would have seen the huge nuggets that have been found by people in the USA during the gold rush days, and they would have guarded these with their lives the same as they guard treasures in the Middle East and India areas. And what about the gold that was mined in the Philippines and Central America during the Spanish occupation 500 years ago? There were literally shiploads of gold that were freely taken from the ground without any Jinn intervention. And today, we have large underground repositories for gold. Fort Knox, for example would be a prime location for Jinns to build their dens. Yet the human guards at Fort Knox have never been disturbed by the Jinn guards who love buried gold so much. Strange creatures, these Jinns...

Best wishes,
J_P
Dear J_P
the answer is simple;
They did this for the treasures( which mostly have considerable mass) that owners at that time would intentionally captivated the jinns for their purpose during a lengthy rite and were appointed/assigned specifically to guard the treasure.

why other people didn't do it? simple; cos the science of captivating jinns was not accessible to any body, nation or any where. Somewhere had it, it's like we question why those especial pyramids were only built in Egypt not all around world? Although some other types were built in Mexico, Peru, but not same as Egyptian ones.

it was an especial thing and even now with this crowded earth and fast communications very rare of people are able to deal with such things or know about it. at first here we even found one another guy who was knowledgeable about this matter but confessed would never dare to do it. however we persist and offered him good wage and a share of treasure didn't accept.
so natural golds like nuggets or those parts of treasure that are not so much ancient or people had no access to the science are free of spell.
as our guru said one part of their rite to assign or captivate jinns for the location was to shed bloods of some humans and for this purpose they did this to innocent unpaid labors of workers or soldiers who were forced to hoard or even buried them there whereas were alive.
something like Satanists do now, I don't know are you familiar to or heard about?
Anyway very strange world, very.:frown: :frown:

[michael]

........
Why don't you put here for sweet her (well... have my doubts SHE is but anyway) Vistac2000 ??? :razz:

Have detectoman's dog more appeal to you than Vistac2000's avatar ??? :rolleyes:

I'm a bit confused...:eek:

one thing I forgot; none of Iranians dare put his or her pic in such places, as Iranian intelligent services are highly active fast smell, search and look such sites very carefully with their employed odd people for special purposes in net one of them is THing. particularly set on their country name(Iran) or infiltrate to e-mails.[ as one friend told me they have ability to easily do this.], you guess the rest.
THing is a special case in Middle East especially in Iran. then how this friend dare to put her pic here such conveniently?:cool:

[Theseus]

Hi Theseus,
Actually, in the USA there has been a tradition for some television broadcasters to play old black and white episodes of Rod Serling's original "Twilight Zone" TV programs non-stop, in marathon fashion during the weekend of independence day. These old episodes have been playing for two days already, and will not stop until tomorrow. The broadcasting of these old programs may tend to tend to revive the imaginations of some tv watchers. Unfortunately I don't own a TV, so I must rely on the reports I read in the Geotech forums.

Best wishes,
J_P

Yes, these episodes are playing as we speak. Did not personally watch any, but I saw them in the guide as I was scanning it.

Sort of reminds me of the Halloween tradition; that being the annual attempted contact with the soul of Harry Houdini. :)

[J_Player]

When so-called psychics provide advice, which can affect your life decisions, then this becomes a dangerous subject. While psychic predictions can be an amusing diversion for some, taking this stuff seriously could adversely affect your health. Although dowsing (and related devices) could be tared with the same brush, it is is far less serious. On average the worst that can happen is that your wallet will be slightly less heavy. At least you do get something for your money ... an education. Some people (who probably should go unmentioned here, but they'll know who they are) actually learn nothing, and completely fail to see that it's just a "trick of the mind", albeit a very good trick. There are some who also learn that this is a way of making a fast buck, and go on to become wallet miners themselves.

Whenever you encounter other strange phenomenon (such as Jinns, for example) you need to test your belief system. The whole idea of Jinns is counter-intuitive and non scientific. So you should seriously ask yourself ... am I being deceived by my senses? The answer, in this case, is undoubtedly "yes".Hi Qiaozhi,
In the case of Jinns, there is nobody making predictions, or promoting dowsing. Nor have I encountered the phenomenon of a Jinn that caused me to test my belief system.

What I did encounter is a number of treasure hunters who warned of the dangers that may be present due to Jinns that they experienced. The test of my belief system is to determine whether I should believe michael and others are reporting the truth of their observations, not to determine whether I was deceived by my senses. In this case (regardless of the outcome of my belief test), there is no chance that I will put my life in danger, effect my health, lose money from my wallet, or worry that my senses have been deceived. In other words, it costs me nothing to choose to believe michael is telling the truth.

The cost for me to choose to believe michael is posting false information is the same as choosing to believe he is telling the truth, except there would be no interesting lore of the Jinns to read about if my replies all were to read the same as everyone else's replies. In addition, I really don't believe michael would post false information to describe his experiences in the field. I have observed that michael has a very strict habit of posting carefully chosen words to describe exactly what he has observed, and he is also careful to separate his opinions and guesses from his observations. This is unlike many of the other LRL users, who tend to mix their opinions and presumptions with their observations in order to prove a questionable proposition.

While there is no scientific basis to support the existence of Jinns, there is also no scientific basis to support the existence of a god. Yet the majority of humans living on earth do believe there is some sort of god. Why? Some people believe because of the traditions that were taught to them. Others claim they have had a personal experience that convinced them. In any case, there is no science that has ever been able to prove the existence of a god, or the non-existence of a god. So I would suppose the belief in the existence of Jinns can come from two fronts as well. Either we can choose to believe they exist based on the traditions that are told by others, or we can choose to believe they exist based on personal contact and experience with a Jinn who has revealed himself (as in the case whereby michael came to be convinced).

In my case, I am still undecided. I have no reason to commit to a decision until I am ready to embark on a treasure hunting expedition in a location that is reported to be plagued with Jinn guards. Thus it costs me nothing to choose to believe michael and others are reporting true observations at present.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Qiaozhi]

Hi Qiaozhi,
In the case of Jinns, there is nobody making predictions, or promoting dowsing. Nor have I encountered the phenomenon of a Jinn that caused me to test my belief system.
The first paragraph of my post was not directly related to Jinns. It was a general statement regarding so-called psychic phenomenon.

In my case, I am still undecided. I have no reason to commit to a decision until I am ready to embark on a treasure hunting expedition in a location that is reported to be plagued with Jinn guards. Thus it costs me nothing to choose to believe michael and others are reporting true observations at present.

Best wishes,
J_P
Sometimes you can take the concept of keeping an open mind too far. This is one of them. The fanciful idea that there are some mysterious spirits living underground, whose only purpose for existing is to stop people finding deliberately buried gold, is total poppycock. End of story.

[J_Player]

Sometimes you can take the concept of keeping an open mind too far. This is one of them. The fanciful idea that there are some mysterious spirits living underground, whose only purpose for existing is to stop people finding deliberately buried gold, is total poppycock. End of story.Hi Qiaozhi,
I suppose it would be the end of story if anyone other than yourself had said the only purpose for Jinns existing is to stop people finding deliberately buried gold. But michael never said this, nor did I, or anyone else. This is only your presumption. According to michael, the Jinns have other activities, as well as a structured order among themselves which regulates their actions. So this it is not the end of the story. This is what raises my interest to determine what are the true motives of these Jinns, besides protecting ancient buried treasures.

Is it really taking the concept of an open mind too far, when we have the word of michael that he experienced his encounter with a Jinn that left him with a severe injury to his foot? Doesn't a report of this nature bear further investigation when another forum member is preparing to embark on another similar treasure hunting mission that could result in the same fate or worse?

Sure, it may be poppycock, but michael doesn't think so. And it is just too hard for me to believe that michael would post false information about his experiences with Jinns.

Best wishes,
J_P

[rajesh]

[quote=vistac2000;93449]Hi Esteban (http://www.geotech1.com/forums/member.php?u=24),

hi i have done a t/r locator modified by gary if you need that send me your adress i will send this total free for you ...

[Max]

Read, she asked for:

Hi michael and J_Player,

Yes I also hear that some treasures protected by jinns and even treasure can move under the ground, but I don't see this yet !
In my country there are many treasure and cruses full of gold coins, I must say I want search a lot of coins in curses or golden idols and treasure under ground at least 2-3 meter in depth,

With these condition, what kind of MD is good for me:
PI MD?
Two boxes MD?
Gradiometer/magnetometers ?
GPR?
or ...other one?

Did you understand? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Confused? Yes!!! :razz:

Regards

Much! :D

I think we need another thread then... cause this is about LRL and in Remote Sensing! :lol:

[vistac2000]

Hi rajesh,

Please send me information about t/r locator modified by gary,
Are you build this?
what about it's performance and depth?

vistac2000@yahoo.com

[Theseus]

Sometimes you can take the concept of keeping an open mind too far. This is one of them. The fanciful idea that there are some mysterious spirits living underground, whose only purpose for existing is to stop people finding deliberately buried gold, is total poppycock. End of story.

I'll have to agree with you on this one. I'd like to think I usually keep all possibilities for an explanation on the table. But when it comes to explanations that start in the sublime and venture into the ridiculous - I generally filter these out just as a matter of common sense and past historical experiences; both mine and others.

I'm not saying categorically that the reporters/observers did not experience something similar to what they reported; I'm just saying there is no doubt a different more logical explanation for their experiences... than guard Jinns. ;)

[Qiaozhi]

Hi Qiaozhi,
I suppose it would be the end of story if anyone other than yourself had said the only purpose for Jinns existing is to stop people finding deliberately buried gold. But michael never said this, nor did I, or anyone else. This is only your presumption. According to michael, the Jinns have other activities, as well as a structured order among themselves which regulates their actions. So this it is not the end of the story. This is what raises my interest to determine what are the true motives of these Jinns, besides protecting ancient buried treasures.
Your statement implies that they actually exist, which they do not. Your further investigation will be in vain.

Is it really taking the concept of an open mind too far, when we have the word of michael that he experienced his encounter with a Jinn that left him with a severe injury to his foot? Doesn't a report of this nature bear further investigation when another forum member is preparing to embark on another similar treasure hunting mission that could result in the same fate or worse?
No. The true nature of the injury should be determined instead of resorting to fairy tales.

Sure, it may be poppycock, but michael doesn't think so. And it is just too hard for me to believe that michael would post false information about his experiences with Jinns.

Best wishes,
J_P
I believe Michael when he reports the experience he had, but not the interpretation.

I'll have to agree with you on this one. I'd like to think I usually keep all possibilities for an explanation on the table. But when it comes to explanations that start in the sublime and venture into the ridiculous - I generally filter these out just as a matter of common sense and past historical experiences; both mine and others.

I'm not saying categorically that the reporters/observers did not experience something similar to what they reported; I'm just saying there is no doubt a different more logical explanation for their experiences... than guard Jinns. ;)
My "poppycock" filter is now fully enabled. ;)
For me, this is end of story. All further Jinn nonsense is blanked out. :cool:

[Esteban]

[quote=vistac2000;93449]Hi Esteban (http://www.geotech1.com/forums/member.php?u=24),

hi i have done a t/r locator modified by gary if you need that send me your adress i will send this total free for you ...




Hi Rajesh

Of course, any information is useful. Thanks very much!

eslucagri@gmail.com

Regards

Esteban

[vistac2000]

Hi to all friends,

I begin this thread to share our information to build one LRL...
But I reach to this result that LRL can't help us for treasure hunting...
therefore I begin other thread to speak about other device can help us to find treasure at least 3-4 meter under ground...
Beseem T/R locator (two boxes) can be a good option to this purpose...
Please see T/R Locator thread...

[J_Player]

Your statement implies that they actually exist, which they do not. Your further investigation will be in vain.Can you prove that? You began by misquoting what michael said. What science will you use to prove the existence or non-existence of what michael described? You have offered no basis, yet you are stating that it does not exist. On what basis do you know that to be true? Do you use the same logic to conclude that god does not exist? If it did not exist, then why is michael reporting it as his observation? Why have others?

No. The true nature of the injury should be determined instead of resorting to fairy tales.You are claiming the existence of Jinns that so many people observed to be fairy tales, a trick of the mind, yet you have no evidence to support your claim?
In this case, the "trick of the mind" theory reminds me of a number of posts I read made by scientifically educated people in this forum claiming that there is no such thing as a halo. They claimed that long-time buried gold is the same as fresh-buried gold. They claimed that gold does not corrode. They claimed that any observations of the effects of this imaginary halo is simply a trick of the mind. Yet these scientifically educated people offered no supporting evidence to prove that a halo does not exist, or that treasure hunters should stop trusting their senses when they believe they observed the effects of a halo.

Now we see there are millions of web pages detailing the measurements made of gold ions in the soil which is being sampled in order to recover gold. This is happening because long-time buried gold is exhibiting the properties that have long been attributed to halos. Perhaps these scientists and technicians who are measuring the halo effects of long-time buried gold should have listened to the unsupported "common sense" claims that gold does not corrode, and there are no metal ions moving through the ground. Of course, they would have missed out on the chance of recovering tons of gold all over the world if they had taken that advice, rather than believing their senses and observations.

I believe Michael when he reports the experience he had, but not the interpretation.michael did not report an interperatation. He reported an experience of being beaten by a Jinn that left his ankle in severe pain for a month. There was no interperatation to that. Michael has always been very careful to keep intereperatations and opinions separate from his observations. In michael's observation, the existence of a Jinn was real, and the damage he caused was real. He brought the subject to this thread because he feels it is an important element that should be considered for the kind of treasure hunting that Vistac2000 is embarking on.

So do you have some sort of proof that none of this exists?

Best wishes,
J_P

[ANDREAS]

Hi to all friends,

I begin this thread to share our information to build one LRL...
But I reach to this result that LRL can't help us for treasure hunting...
therefore I begin other thread to speak about other device can help us to find treasure at least 3-4 meter under ground...
Beseem T/R locator (two boxes) can be a good option to this purpose...
Please see T/R Locator thread...
Hi vista2000
I believe, you need same machine with this prototype. Very strong deep searching machine. Only one problem, battery work fine for max 1 hours:lol:
best regards
Andreas

[Fred]

I begin this thread to share our information to build one LRL...
But I reach to this result that LRL can't help us for treasure hunting...
I´m glad you made the right interpretation :D

[michael]

Hi.
Thank you J-Player for your unprejudiced and punctilious analysis. This world really needs to people like you, first deep speculation, second careful comparison and third Run useful statements. :)
This really demonstrates you are an instance of an open-minded man who encounters to subjects and new matters carefully based on logic deduction, not charge or refute hastily others’ experiences.
Although if you entirely refuted me, I would give you right as gave Qiaozhi. cos this is very strange thing to prove it, it is almost impossible. what can do??? nothing.:frown:

but, Qiaozhi, It's very unfair and illogical run such statement: "only purpose for existing is to stop people finding deliberately buried gold"
Here the only reason I reflected my experience and information was to help a guy and give him/her alarm of danger, a very very serious danger like another thing I tell now; any massive treasure searcher need to tools like especial gas-masks plus appropriate filters which be able to absorb some organic and inorganic gases particularly cyanides , H2S. and there are many more points with details if be necessary I will e-mail to Vistac. Knowing these are more important and in preference than have the best detector to find a treasure ( which can be in fact misery).
These are many things that no one in world, internet,… inform you, no one.
And are essential for THers in Middle East especially in Vistac country.

there is no vested interest for me or any deception purpose to write these and what I hate is fanciful habits or quotation or interpretations. I only like every time and every place reflect my own personal experiences. before our own experiences, I myself ridiculed all them or was seriously suspect. but now is reversed, cos I know it's a fact.
to stop people finding deliberately buried gold for whattttttt????????? :shocked: stop people of what? for what? of finding my place???? or my treasures?:D How can anybody here or other part of world do this?
In spite of much deep statements of you ( of course in electric and technical affair) this was the most absurd, laughable thing we see here from you.:lol:
as another side the 3 treasures we found here are incredibly huge that the smallest one(with weakest guards) are enough for all my life and my partners and our families and even relatives. so How filthy can I be to follow such purpose???? to dissuade them for nothing?
whereas when I see or hear any body in this world succeeds in finding an object become very glad, I swear to god.

Oh, another thing again for you Qiaozhi; ghost is not the same jinn, Jinns are independent god creatures with their especial abilities, behaviors, tribes and rules. they at last will die like us. but ghost especially belongs to human and after death will be delivered to other highly greater world ( as one time something like this happened for us and we were delivered from uterine world to this world) ghost has no choice or control right and can never remain here or do anything in this world, despite the many fanciful stories or movies.

[Qiaozhi]

Sorry ... cannot hear you. :razz:
My Jinn filter is working at full capacity. :lol:

[1843]

Hi to all friends,

Let's to me introduce own, HORRAA for Fred!,
YES my name is SOLMAZ and 29 y.o from IRAN,

Iran is one ancient country with many of treasures within
and also many beautiful girls ;), as aft_72005 says,
Dear aft_72005, did are you from IRAN ?!

anyway, Please don't astray from our aim,
Dear ivconic said LRLs dont realy work and we must use gradiometer,
Thanks Dear ivconic,

Please tell me more about this device and it's performance and how to locate treasure under ground by it...

with best wishes, vistac2000 :rolleyes:

Last year I got an email from vistac2000:
9117

[Geo]

Hi 1843.

Nima is a diferent name.....
Is it a woman or a man name????

Regards:)

[1843]

Hi 1843.

Nima is a diferent name.....
Is it a woman or a man name????

Regards:)

Bravo, you have sharp eyes!;) Vistac will answer the question for our!:D

[peroon]

I noticed he/she is not able to focus on one specific metal detector project. Always keep asking more and more for various projects? Never really payed any effort to do something for real. Vistac why don't you show here any of your works? Anything. You are asking to much about dozen different projects without engaging in details? Why? You were already suggested to make DP,TGS,TGSL,EPE.....etc..etc.. Yet you never made anything, just keep asking again and again?

[1843]

Hi.
Thank you J-Player for your unprejudiced and punctilious analysis. This world really needs to people like you, first deep speculation, second careful comparison and third Run useful statements. :)
This really demonstrates you are an instance of an open-minded man who encounters to subjects and new matters carefully based on logic deduction, not charge or refute hastily others’ experiences.
Although if you entirely refuted me, I would give you right as gave Qiaozhi. cos this is very strange thing to prove it, it is almost impossible. what can do??? nothing.:frown:

but, Qiaozhi, It's very unfair and illogical run such statement: "only purpose for existing is to stop people finding deliberately buried gold"
Here the only reason I reflected my experience and information was to help a guy and give him/her alarm of danger, a very very serious danger like another thing I tell now; any massive treasure searcher need to tools like especial gas-masks plus appropriate filters which be able to absorb some organic and inorganic gases particularly cyanides , H2S. and there are many more points with details if be necessary I will e-mail to Vistac. Knowing these are more important and in preference than have the best detector to find a treasure ( which can be in fact misery).
These are many things that no one in world, internet,… inform you, no one.
And are essential for THers in Middle East especially in Vistac country.

there is no vested interest for me or any deception purpose to write these and what I hate is fanciful habits or quotation or interpretations. I only like every time and every place reflect my own personal experiences. before our own experiences, I myself ridiculed all them or was seriously suspect. but now is reversed, cos I know it's a fact.
to stop people finding deliberately buried gold for whattttttt????????? :shocked: stop people of what? for what? of finding my place???? or my treasures?:D How can anybody here or other part of world do this?
In spite of much deep statements of you ( of course in electric and technical affair) this was the most absurd, laughable thing we see here from you.:lol:
as another side the 3 treasures we found here are incredibly huge that the smallest one(with weakest guards) are enough for all my life and my partners and our families and even relatives. so How filthy can I be to follow such purpose???? to dissuade them for nothing?
whereas when I see or hear any body in this world succeeds in finding an object become very glad, I swear to god.

Oh, another thing again for you Qiaozhi; ghost is not the same jinn, Jinns are independent god creatures with their especial abilities, behaviors, tribes and rules. they at last will die like us. but ghost especially belongs to human and after death will be delivered to other highly greater world ( as one time something like this happened for us and we were delivered from uterine world to this world) ghost has no choice or control right and can never remain here or do anything in this world, despite the many fanciful stories or movies.

Well, let's assume Jinns exist and are guards for treasures; How have you found treasures in their presence?:rolleyes:

[Max]

I noticed he/she is not able to focus on one specific metal detector project. Always keep asking more and more for various projects? Never really payed any effort to do something for real. Vistac why don't you show here any of your works? Anything. You are asking to much about dozen different projects without engaging in details? Why? You were already suggested to make DP,TGS,TGSL,EPE.....etc..etc.. Yet you never made anything, just keep asking again and again?

You know... ladies are known...to be (almost always) lunatic and insecure! :lol:

[michael]

Last year I got an email from vistac2000:
Regards:)
very careful attention.
I'm sure Nima is the name of man/boy, although is not a tough reason to demonstrate his/her s.exuality. of course from first I was seriously doubt about his/her claim. it sounded me a trick to attract attentions.:razz: :lol:


Well, let's assume Jinns exist and are guards for treasures; How have you found treasures in their presence?:rolleyes:
Regards:)
When you question this, it means have not read my posts carefully, you quickly read some parts and pass???
we are still at half way of very hard soil.
by this time still have not accessed to it. go back and read again all them not one chosen post.
we have encountered to many problems and for some situations and conditions we have to work from time to time.
and work progresses slowly.
at last I will put pictures of founds; of course not here in private part.

[WM6]

Maybe the best shortcut to remote sensing is to join LRL medium course (no need for electronic and other devices anymore).

[Fred]

I noticed he/she is not able to focus on one specific metal detector project.
Well its´a woman then...:razz:
With a man´s name :rolleyes:

[Theseus]

Jinns are independent god creatures with their especial abilities, behaviors, tribes and rules. they at last will die like us. but ghost especially belongs to human and after death will be delivered to other highly greater world ( as one time something like this happened for us and we were delivered from uterine world to this world) ghost has no choice or control right and can never remain here or do anything in this world, despite the many fanciful stories or movies.

Michael, you seem to know a incredible amount of information, involving rules, tribes, habits and other details.

I'm curious where you learned all these specifics. :)

[Esteban]

Hi vista2000
I believe, you need same machine with this prototype. Very strong deep searching machine. Only one problem, battery work fine for max 1 hours:lol:
best regards
Andreas

Hi Andreas

Welcome! Look strong as a truck. :)

Regards

Esteban

[michael]

Michael, you seem to know a incredible amount of information, involving rules, tribes, habits and other details.
I'm curious where you learned all these specifics. :)

Yes, and maybe it’s a big question for other friends.
Answer: after we started digging over our first found treasure point and me personally was hit at 8 meters depth…….. I started to know enough about these creatures. cos it was a serious alarm for me.

Although I’d heard many thing about them and had read 1 book about it, decided to know much more, so looked all the markets in my country and prepared 4 other books and read eagerly all of them. Some themes were incredible. In a part of one of the books author has pointed to human killing by jinns and it was only in “Treasure hunting” based on some rare reports he had gathered, This scared me seriously and caused to look for a knowledgeable Guru who be really able to conquer them.
I had heard some things about these persons, but had no believe in such things, so after a tiresome search found him that I mentioned about his work in 2 previous page #51, 53, 58 and 74.
He would toughly and conservatively Speak about jinns info, but when I persisted on a question: why they kill human when try To dig up treasure, he answered some things you can read in previous pages.

Guru is man like all of us but he has access to specific science to conquer them And he has worked on and nurtured his soul/ghost that can easily see jinns and conquer them, if we all had done what he has done all along his life, would have done what he can. But very very rare persons in this world has such abilities.
This is the power of ghost that human owns but he is ignorant about and never deeply notice this main ability. That’s why have been told: “Human is superior of creatures”

[vistac2000]

Hi all friends,

Why it is important for you that i am one girl or one boy ?!!!

we want speak about MD in this site, not about our ******ity...
I often use my nickname (NIMA) in internet conversations... :cool:
Is this important for you ?!!!

[Theseus]

Yes, and maybe it’s a big question for other friends.
Answer: after we started digging over our first found treasure point and me personally was hit at 8 meters depth…….. I started to know enough about these creatures. cos it was a serious alarm for me.

Although I’d heard many thing about them and had read 1 book about it, decided to know much more, so looked all the markets in my country and prepared 4 other books and read eagerly all of them. Some themes were incredible. In a part of one of the books author has pointed to human killing by jinns and it was only in “Treasure hunting” based on some rare reports he had gathered, This scared me seriously and caused to look for a knowledgeable Guru who be really able to conquer them.
I had heard some things about these persons, but had no believe in such things, so after a tiresome search found him that I mentioned about his work in 2 previous page #51, 53, 58 and 74.
He would toughly and conservatively Speak about jinns info, but when I persisted on a question: why they kill human when try To dig up treasure, he answered some things you can read in previous pages.

Guru is man like all of us but he has access to specific science to conquer them And he has worked on and nurtured his soul/ghost that can easily see jinns and conquer them, if we all had done what he has done all along his life, would have done what he can. But very very rare persons in this world has such abilities.
This is the power of ghost that human owns but he is ignorant about and never deeply notice this main ability. That’s why have been told: “Human is superior of creatures”

Interesting. Thanks for the insight. :oh:

Could you elaborate any on the details of what you felt "when you were hit at 8 meters" ?

[Fred]

Hi all friends,

Why it is important for you that i am one girl or one boy ?!!!

we want speak about MD in this site, not about our ******ity...
I often use my nickname (NIMA) in internet conversations... :cool:
Is this important for you ?!!!

The thing is that it is hard to believe that you are a girl, (and even more the girl in the picture), so people have problem in trusting you.
If they don´t trust they don´t want to share.
If you just claim to be a girl to atract sympathy, you don´t deserve much replies.This is just my point o view.
Anyway: good luck, you need in any case. :)
Regards,
Fred.

[michael]

Interesting. Thanks for the insight. :oh:

Could you elaborate any on the details of what you felt "when you were hit at 8 meters" ?

It began with a sever headache that suddenly occurred to me and afterward
My ankle began to feeling burning ended to sever pain. It was entirely unnatural and unprecedented weird event for me along my life by this time.
So my partners sent down the cable of lift and lifted me up. Headache lasted less than 2 days but ankle pain about 3 months which I couldn’t walk appropriately or even sit.
The interesting thing in my ankle was I never had any sign of inflammatory reactions, nothing.

The Guru told this point that; for first alarm, their very slight hit is on ankle and head of human. They do some thing like tickling with a finger. If they strike a little tough will definitely kill human and these creatures themselves avoid of human killing as much as possible, especially when they know human is really ignorant of existence of them at the place.
Anyway that’s a strange subject that we can’t understand or realize their behaviors. You see, if human had their abilities and powers what would do with them? Would definitely exploited of power (what is doing every day against animals, plants and…) , but jinns are very patient, reasonable with high control on their actions and nerve. They respect and observe their own rules strictly and never break their rules. Really strange.:oh:

[Theseus]

It began with a sever headache that suddenly occurred to me and afterward
My ankle began to feeling burning ended to sever pain. It was entirely unnatural and unprecedented weird event for me along my life by this time.
So my partners sent down the cable of lift and lifted me up. Headache lasted less than 2 days but ankle pain about 3 months which I couldn’t walk appropriately or even sit.
The interesting thing in my ankle was I never had any sign of inflammatory reactions, nothing.

The Guru told this point that; for first alarm, their very slight hit is on ankle and head of human. They do some thing like tickling with a finger. If they strike a little tough will definitely kill human and these creatures themselves avoid of human killing as much as possible, especially when they know human is really ignorant of existence of them at the place.
Anyway that’s a strange subject that we can’t understand or realize their behaviors. You see, if human had their abilities and powers what would do with them? Would definitely exploited of power (what is doing every day against animals, plants and…) , but jinns are very patient, reasonable with high control on their actions and nerve. They respect and observe their own rules strictly and never break their rules. Really strange.:oh:

Thanks for that.

Given the circumstances you were in, the activity and the depth, I can obviously think of other reasons for what you experienced, other than jinns. I'll not iterate them at this time, but suffice it to say they would fall in line with Occam's Razor.

However, let's assume for the moment that your experience was the result of what the jinns put upon you.

Have you ever wondered exactly why these jinns would be protecting buried treasures in the first place? I mean it's not like the treasure is going to do them any good. And certainly the original person who placed the treasure there is probably not coming back for it.

Do you think the original owner of the treasure invoked these jinn entities to carry out these guard tasks, or do you suppose they merely float around in the ether picking buried treasures at random to guard? :rolleyes:

[Fred]

Also, i wonder why (if) it attacked only you and not you patners?

[1843]

Also, i wonder why (if) it attacked only you and not you patners?

Maybe only he believed Jinns...!;)

[Max]

Also, i wonder why (if) it attacked only you and not you patners?

Hi,
I don't belive in Jinns ... I'm western guy... you know... but I can maybe belive in power of credit cards and existence of malls... :lol: ...sorry, joke...
but I think someone could explain this way for belivers:

he was in the pit... so nearest to the treasure... and the jinn then attacked him cause of that and to give also a sign for others... like... don't go down the pit... or you'll find yourself in a "world of $hit" ! :D

It's logic... belivers will understand it this way I think.

Kind regards,
Max

[Max]

Hi all friends,

Why it is important for you that i am one girl or one boy ?!!!

we want speak about MD in this site, not about our ******ity...
I often use my nickname (NIMA) in internet conversations... :cool:
Is this important for you ?!!!

Hi,
not really important at the end...
hmmmm... maybe you have "dubts"... and maybe someone here can give advices... like Dr. Hung... well known brazilian surgery miracle! :lol:

hmmmmm... maybe you can't use surgery in your country... I see it really hard for people who wanna do...;) hi-risk involved I think...:rolleyes:

What to say... maybe you need one way ticket to meet Dr. Hung... btw he's also expert in remote sensing and LRLs... he can make the LRL you need , no dubt! :D

Which metal detectors ??? You started this as remote sensing thread... :razz:

Kind regards,
Max

[peroon]

Hi all friends,

Why it is important for you that i am one girl or one boy ?!!!

we want speak about MD in this site, not about our ******ity...
I often use my nickname (NIMA) in internet conversations... :cool:
Is this important for you ?!!!

For those interested i can suggest real time webcam on some msngr. Than we will know for sure the right answer. But real webcam not pseudo softcam with prepared shots!!! :D

[Max]

For those interested i can suggest real time webcam on some msngr. Than we will know for sure the right answer. But real webcam not pseudo softcam with prepared shots!!! :D

UH!

BTW these webcams are too far easy to trick... one see a pretty girl... and INSTEAD... there's something else behind the keyboard...:rolleyes:

I think... better don't know... too many secrets here! :lol:

Just another to the pile! :D

Kind regards,
Max

[Fred]

For those interested i can suggest real time webcam on some msngr. Than we will know for sure the right answer. But real webcam not pseudo softcam with prepared shots!!! :D

Ahh, but i thought you knew her: she says you broken her hart but she still love you ?? How did you do that ? :razz:

[peroon]

Ahh, but i thought you knew her: she says you broken her hart but she still love you ?? How did you do that ? :razz:

;) Did i ever mentioned that i am Grandmaster of cyber love!? Duke of broken hearths! Don't ask me how! I have my secrets...you know!

[peroon]

UH!

BTW these webcams are too far easy to trick... one see a pretty girl... and INSTEAD... there's something else behind the keyboard...:rolleyes:

I think... better don't know... too many secrets here! :lol:

Just another to the pile! :D

Kind regards,
Max

Tell me something about it! :angry:
I was ready to buy one way ticket to Tehran! :D
(if only my dear wife can see this!!!)
(this peroon nick returns all the money invested....now i am sure in that!)

[Max]

Tell me something about it! :angry:
I was ready to buy one way ticket to Tehran! :D
(if only my dear wife can see this!!!)
(this peroon nick returns all the money invested....now i am sure in that!)

:lol:
tell you what ? I know exactly same as you....:D

I'm just guessing our Vistac2000 here is the kind who like trick the people...:rolleyes:

Indeed... I don't suggest you buy a one-way ticket to Teheran at now... I see it hard that then you'll take a cab and will show to his/her parents' house with a bouquet of flowers... and camels...:rolleyes:

Seems not so safe idea!:D

Kind regards,
Max

[peroon]

Yeah...it was long term "processing" myself over messenger (few weeks on yahoo messenger). I was attracted not only with pretty nice girl i saw on webcam window, but also with numerous shots of fantastic persian kitchen, persian sites, splendid persian culture and history. And i started to learn Farsi language too. To tell you the truth; Farsi is not hard to learn and understand. Most difficult part was writing and reading!
Day by day i was more and more "cooked" on persian way!:razz::lol:
Yet...i founded it very suspectable, once i realised that webcam shot was the same all the time!!! :oh:
Same room (nothing changed...neither one detail), same dress, same time of the day, same movements.....!???
So.....i guess we all are very weak to oriental charms! Aren't we?!

[Max]

Yeah...it was long term "processing" myself over messenger (few weeks on yahoo messenger). I was attracted not only with pretty nice girl i saw on webcam window, but also with numerous shots of fantastic persian kitchen, persian sites, splendid persian culture and history. And i started to learn Farsi language too. To tell you the truth; Farsi is not hard to learn and understand. Most difficult part was writing and reading!
Day by day i was more and more "cooked" on persian way!:razz::lol:
Yet...i founded it very suspectable, once i realised that webcam shot was the same all the time!!! :oh:
Same room (nothing changed...neither one detail), same dress, same time of the day, same movements.....!???
So.....i guess we all are very weak to oriental charms! Aren't we?!

:lol:

that happens to people everyday... just someone will send flowers , camels or will make the sad discovery when too late! :razz:

But cause you're smart you noticed the details... were always the same.

Details are important. ;)

Kind regards,
Max

[J_Player]

...Have you ever wondered exactly why these jinns would be protecting buried treasures in the first place"? I mean it's not like the treasure is going to do them any good. And certainly the original person who placed the treasure there is probably not coming back for it.I have wondered about that exact question. A question that comes to mind is "why anybody would be protecting buried treasures in the first place? I mean it's not like the treasure is going to do them any good".

Think about it... gold, diamonds and other treasures don,t do anybody any good, do they?

The commercial value of gold and diamonds exists mainly for grinding tools and in the electronic connector industry. The real driving force behind the value of gold and diamonds is that people covet them, and are willing to pay a monetary price for them. Isn't this the same driving force that causes people to visit the Geotech forums? And the driving force that causes people to pay large prices, or even risk their lives to find these golden treasures?

Perhaps Michael has already given the answer to your question of why Jinns would want to protect these treasures in the first place. "...jinns like gold much more than human especially when it becomes ancient they love it more than their life. so after death of owner they never leave it and consider themselves as owner of treasure". Apparently the reason is because the Jinns covet old treasures more than people do. Maybe they have a form of economy that makes these ancient treasures valuable to them as well.

Best wishes,
J_P

[michael]

Thanks for that.

Given the circumstances you were in, the activity and the depth, I can obviously think of other reasons for what you experienced, other than jinns. I'll not iterate them at this time, but suffice it to say they would fall in line with Occam's Razor.

However, let's assume for the moment that your experience was the result of what the jinns put upon you.

Have you ever wondered exactly why these jinns would be protecting buried treasures in the first place? I mean it's not like the treasure is going to do them any good. And certainly the original person who placed the treasure there is probably not coming back for it.

Do you think the original owner of the treasure invoked these jinn entities to carry out these guard tasks, or do you suppose they merely float around in the ether picking buried treasures at random to guard? :rolleyes:about original owner it's obvious they don't exist anymore from more than hundreds or thousands years ago.
they don't live any more. but jinns are still over treasures. As they live for thousands years based on what I've read and heard by this time.
of course many many things are unknown about these mysterious creatures.
surely at the time of assigning jinns for treasures, main purpose had been guarding, now with what kind of their
reactions and how, unclear, they can react on any form and use any of their abilities.
we don't know exact, me like you, me as mush as you. but I really experienced a strange true thing.

[michael]

Also, i wonder why (if) it attacked only you and not you patners? Oh, yes, good question, the question that had made my mind busy for a while.
answer: I'm the manager and head of my team/partners I set all things, tools, appointments, planning and so on to program. and in work I'm the most active member, at that time I was personally working with electrical Hammer at 8m depth. as we were told at first they target and alarm the head of team to suspend their work. when head is dissuaded then work will be stopped. if all persist on continuing, all will be affected one by one.

I told, they're strange, and any suggested question comes from this strangeness. they have their own rules and do it very neatly.
Maybe only he believed Jinns...!;)
Oh, it's better than not believing in any thing in this world, as I remember well you are an atheist don't believe in even god,… http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12663&page=3 #51

no expectation to you believe in this, you at first need to fix your mind for essential thing; GOD. it's now more important for you. jinn is the last case, don't take it serious and never bother your mind for this, otherwise will never get to anywhere for god.:D :p.

[1843]

Oh, yes, good question, the question that had made my mind busy for a while.
answer: I'm the manager and head of my team/partners I set all things, tools, appointments, planning and so on to program. and in work I'm the most active member, at that time I was personally working with electrical Hammer at 8m depth. as we were told at first they target and alarm the head of team to suspend their work. when head is dissuaded then work will be stopped. if all persist on continuing, all will be affected one by one.

I told, they're strange, and any suggested question comes from this strangeness. they have their own rules and do it very neatly.

Oh, it's better than not believing in any thing in this world, as I remember well you are an atheist don't believe in even god,… http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12663&page=3 #51

no expectation to you believe in this, you at first need to fix your mind for essential thing; GOD. it's now more important for you. jinn is the last case, don't take it serious and never bother your mind for this, otherwise will never get to anywhere for god.:D :p.
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=82945&postcount=60
Have fun with your beliefs!

[michael]

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=82945&postcount=60
Have fun with your beliefs!
Ok, good, so what? it's confirmative of what I put above.:lol:
thank you for that. :D I told you are atheist and this link confirms it more and is attributed to all people who believe in god you call them all "solid and frozen mind".

OK, let take a look on your brilliant mind :D :
you are disciple of this Idea: "seeing is believing" here: http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12663&page=2 #46
so if you admit your own word, and still stand on your words you should never believe in much more invisible things e.g. any kind of waves in ordinary human science realm; radar, wireless, radio and ....... waves.
If your answer be :"I realize to these based on their effects, cos I see their work" ,
Ok, it’s what we tell about other invisible things: " we realize to god existence based on all of his creatures."
and also to jinns based on their effects, but with a great difference; god never can be or have been seen by no one whereas jinns can be seen by some rare especial persons.

when you conclude: "they don't exist cos I don't see" is from serious problem in the logic and analogy part of your mind that is closed and...... ,see? such mind not merit to work on.
now call yourself open-minded???? :lol: which is very funny.:D
of course I never like to get you or any guy like you believed these, no, it's useless for me.:)
If you believe it what will I catch? so better you remain in that level and enjoy of your brilliant mind abilities.;)

every time I put this info is only for guys who believes them but ignorant about their reactions in THing, as most people in Middle East believe in jinns and Vistac is one of them tried to put for him/her to be cautious
otherwise for atheists is as if blowing in a cage.

[Theseus]

Ok, good, so what? it's confirmative of what I put above.:lol:
thank you for that. :D I told you are atheist and this link confirms it more and is attributed to all people who believe in god you call them all "solid and frozen mind".

OK, let take a look on your brilliant mind :D :
you are disciple of this Idea: "seeing is believing" here: http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12663&page=2 #46
so if you admit your own word, and still stand on your words you should never believe in much more invisible things e.g. any kind of waves in ordinary human science realm; radar, wireless, radio and ....... waves.
If your answer be :"I realize to these based on their effects, cos I see their work" ,
Ok, it’s what we tell about other invisible things: " we realize to god existence based on all of his creatures."
and also to jinns based on their effects, but with a great difference; god never can be or have been seen by no one whereas jinns can be seen by some rare especial persons.

when you conclude: "they don't exist cos I don't see" is from serious problem in the logic and analogy part of your mind that is closed and...... ,see? such mind not merit to work on.
now call yourself open-minded???? :lol: which is very funny.:D
of course I never like to get you or any guy like you believed these, no, it's useless for me.:)
If you believe it what will I catch? so better you remain in that level and enjoy of your brilliant mind abilities.;)

every time I put this info is only for guys who believes them but ignorant about their reactions in THing, as most people in Middle East believe in jinns and Vistac is one of them tried to put for him/her to be cautious
otherwise for atheists is as if blowing in a cage.

Please correct me if I got the wrong understanding from this particular posting of yours; but are you concluding that if a person does not believe in your Jinns, then by default they must also be of a closed-mind and be an atheist?

[Qiaozhi]

Please can I remind you all of the original purpose of the Remote Sensing Forum:

The term "remote sensing" is used to describe scientifically viable methods of detecting geophysical anomalies from a distance. It is also used to describe the less scientific method of "long-range locating", which is engulfed in controversy.

The discussions here have wandered far from the original purpose of the forum, and are rapidly degrading into a religious debate. Please refrain from personal attacks and try to get back to technical discussions. :ninja:

[J_Player]

Please correct me if I got the wrong understanding from this particular posting of yours; but are you concluding that if a person does not believe in your Jinns, then by default they must also be of a closed-mind and be an atheist? From what I read, michael has not made that conclusion.

Michael referenced a post above whereby 1843 described his discussions with people who have strong religious beliefs:I've been discussed about religin, believes,... with those narrow-minded! poeple for a few years, but no one could change their mind... In my opinion they have an absolute solid and frozen mind!:D:razz:

After quoting 1843's concept of people who had religious beliefs being "frozen minded", he then went on to examine 1843's supposed preference for the concept that "seeing is believing". Michael's argument is that some people must "see before they will believe", or else that will refuse to believe. Michael suggests people who must see before they will believe may have a hard time believing that invisible things could exist. Not only Jinns, or dieties, but other things such as electricity, magnetism, EM waves, etc.

His point is that most scientifically educated people believe in the invisible energies used from electricity, magnetism, EM waves because they can see the secondary effects of these forms of energy which are visible, even when they can't see the energy itself. His implication is that 1843 is not among those who will be satisfied to believe after only seeing the secondary effects of things that are invisible, whether it is some form of energy, a diety, or a Jinn.

Any interperetation that "if a person does not believe in your Jinns, then by default they must also be of a closed-mind and be an atheist" is simply an inference that a reader may erroneously draw after reading what michael wrote.

Best wishes,
J_P

[J_Player]

Please can I remind you all of the original purpose of the Remote Sensing Forum:

The term "remote sensing" is used to describe scientifically viable methods of detecting geophysical anomalies from a distance. It is also used to describe the less scientific method of "long-range locating", which is engulfed in controversy.

The discussions here have wandered far from the original purpose of the forum, and are rapidly degrading into a religious debate. Please refrain from personal attacks and try to get back to technical discussions. :ninja:They have?
But I thought you were not able to see what is written in the forum when the subject of Jinns is part of the post: Sorry ... cannot hear you. :razz:
My Jinn filter is working at full capacity. :lol:Actually, I don't see any attacks on people here. just a questioning of beliefs, one of which happens to be religious. The real discussion relates to precautions that may be warranted when recovering deep treasures in the Middle East.

There is no religious debate here. The information that Vistac2000 asked for has been given, and the remaining discussion is only about details, such as the identity of the person who started the forum thread, and a precaution that one poster feels is important. The reference of religion is not about the theology or dogma of any particular religion, in fact it is not about religion at all. It is a discussion about the ontology and epistemology of the sciences being put forward in order to reason with people who are challenging the posted experiences.

The question is whether this is a good subject to include in a remote sensing forum?
I think yes. Especially when a member has been misquoted by another in order to make his challenges look more convincing. And isn't this what epistemology is all about anyway? Determining the nature of knowledge, and what we should accept or not accept? My opinion is we should start with accurate information, rather than re-writing what others say they have observed, concluded, etc. to mean something different.

I have seen entire threads in this remote sensing forum dedicated only to the football games. So what is wrong with looking a little closer into what some members consider a legitimate concern for treasure hunters who requested a long range locator plan?

Apparently some people cannot tolerate reading posts that describe experiences of things that are not seen by most people, and the option to turn on their filters and play "ostrich" became a suitable solution. The head buried in the sand is good insulation to prevent reading or answering any unwanted questions in a forum thread.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Theseus]

Please can I remind you all of the original purpose of the Remote Sensing Forum:

The term "remote sensing" is used to describe scientifically viable methods of detecting geophysical anomalies from a distance. It is also used to describe the less scientific method of "long-range locating", which is engulfed in controversy.

The discussions here have wandered far from the original purpose of the forum, and are rapidly degrading into a religious debate. Please refrain from personal attacks and try to get back to technical discussions. :ninja:

I see your point, and I won't be making any additional comments to this, or related threads.

My initial knee-jerk reaction was in response to what appeared to be a conclusion or axiom stating that if I (or others) couldn't believe in Jinns then we must be closed-minded and also an atheist. Perhaps my interpretation of the comment was in error, but certainly the inferences were there - I didn't make them up.

In either case, I'm considering the topic closed. :notalk:

[Qiaozhi]

There is no religious debate here.
... and let's keep it that way.

[1843]

I respect the Qiaozhi's note; so I don't argue anymore.
Michael, you can open a new thread regarding Jinns!

[michael]

Please correct me if I got the wrong understanding from this particular posting of yours; but are you concluding that if a person does not believe in your Jinns, then by default they must also be of a closed-mind and be an atheist?
absolutely no, J-Player gave the best answer. I referred to 1843 opinions that based on his clear statements, he is a right instance of atheist cos he believes in nothing; god,...
man, be a little more careful of your misquotations.
meanwhile they are not my jinns, they're god jinns/creatures.:D

Please can I remind you all of the original purpose of the Remote Sensing Forum:
The term "remote sensing" is used to describe scientifically viable methods of detecting geophysical anomalies from a distance. It is also used to describe the less scientific method of "long-range locating", which is engulfed in controversy.

The discussions here have wandered far from the original purpose of the forum, and are rapidly degrading into a religious debate. Please refrain from personal attacks and try to get back to technical discussions.
this was not religious debate, at all. and as an aside from first what I see in this thread is less for technical discussions.
Meantime what I said anyway is concerned to THing and is not less important than a detector for who works in Middle East. this is like I prevent a THer of going to a especial place so that there are a plenty of hyenas or poisonous snakes, some body call it religious debate.:cool: it's an ordinary precaution concern to THing.
The best and complete answers been given by J-Player which I couldn't induct my comments such appropriate. Thank you man.

Michael, you can open a new thread regarding Jinns!
Yes sir, I was waiting for your orders. ;) :D

I never had decision to elongate discussions about this matter to this point, I just wanted to warn a guy with a post, some friends with their questions/curiosity and some like you with ridiculing ,pushed me to put more posts. Any independent person with reading the posts will realize my purpose was honesty pure not to show off.

anyway I see no necessary not to answer to questioner about this matter here or anywhere else. I will answer him honesty to god based on what I've experienced personally not dream or fancy.

[Qiaozhi]

...this was not religious debate, at all. and as an aside from first what I see in this thread is less for technical discussions.
Meantime what I said anyway is concerned to THing and is not less important than a detector for who works in Middle East. this is like I prevent a THer of going to a especial place so that there are a plenty of hyenas or poisonous snakes, some body call it religious debate.:cool: it's an ordinary precaution concern to THing.
On the subject of misquoting:

What I said was: "The discussions here have wandered far from the original purpose of the forum, and are rapidly degrading into a religious debate. Please refrain from personal attacks and try to get back to technical discussions.

I did not say that it had actually become a religious debate, but I can see it heading that way, with some members calling others atheists or whatever. You can continue discussing Jinns (if you must) but I have already stated my own position concerning this nonsense. If anyone else has a strong opinion, I suggest that you do the same ... state your case and move on. :ninja:

[Theseus]

man, be a little more careful of your misquotations.

I didn't say it was a direct quote; that's why I calmly asked you in the first place if I misunderstood your meaning. My words were......

Please correct me if I got the wrong understanding from this particular posting of yours....

[1843]

Yes sir, I was waiting for your orders. ;) :D

I never had decision to elongate discussions about this matter to this point, I just wanted to warn a guy with a post, some friends with their questions/curiosity and some like you with ridiculing ,pushed me to put more posts. Any independent person with reading the posts will realize my purpose was honesty pure not to show off.

anyway I see no necessary not to answer to questioner about this matter here or anywhere else. I will answer him honesty to god based on what I've experienced personally not dream or fancy.

Michael,

I see a very bad misunderstanding of all my words from you.:nono: I need to collect all my posts and your responses to them so that I can make anything clear.

[J_Player]

On the subject of misquoting:

What I said was: "The discussions here have wandered far from the original purpose of the forum, and are rapidly degrading into a religious debate. Please refrain from personal attacks and try to get back to technical discussions.

I did not say that it had actually become a religious debate, but I can see it heading that way, with some members calling others atheists or whatever. You can continue discussing Jinns (if you must) but I have already stated my own position concerning this nonsense. If anyone else has a strong opinion, I suggest that you do the same ... state your case and move on. :ninja:I don't see any misquote concerning religion.
Are you sure your misquote is not from your previous post, just before you turned on your "Jinn filter"?
The fanciful idea that there are some mysterious spirits living underground, whose only purpose for existing is to stop people finding deliberately buried gold, is total poppycock. End of story.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Qiaozhi]

As I said ... end of story. :frown:

[Esteban]

So, the jinns keep the mines and the treasures? The 7 dwarfs are the miners in brothers Grimm's thale... In many cultures is similar.

[J_Player]

So, the jinns keep the mines and the treasures? The 7 dwarfs are the miners in brothers Grimm's thale... In many cultures is similar.Hi Esteban,
I have read stories from Ireland where leprechauns hide gold from people. Do you think leprechauns are Jinns, or only a similar story?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Esteban]

Hi Esteban,
I have read stories from Ireland where leprechauns hide gold from people. Do you think leprechauns are Jinns, or only a similar story?

Best wishes,
J_P

All similar stories... If you search in internet, you'll find similar stories, in Europe many... :eek:

[J_Player]

All similar stories... If you search in internet, you'll find similar stories, in Europe many... :eek:Maybe these stories can explain the reason why people report Mineoro is not finding treasures in Europe and other places where we hear these stories. If a treasure is moved after first detecting it, then recovery will be impossible regardless of whether it was detected by a conventional detector or LRL. Some people will conclude that there never was a treasure at all, only a false signal. But others will conclude the treasure was moved by Jinns, or other strange creatures like leprechauns. Of course, if these strange creatures don't exist in South America, then there will be no treasures lost because they were moved during the attempt to recover them.
There are none of these stories from Paraguay and Brazil?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Max]

Maybe these stories can explain the reason why people report Mineoro is not finding treasures in Europe and other places where we hear these stories. If a treasure is moved after first detecting it, then recovery will be impossible regardless of whether it was detected by a conventional detector or LRL. Some people will conclude that there never was a treasure at all, only a false signal. But others will conclude the treasure was moved by Jinns, or other strange creatures like leprechauns. Of course, if these strange creatures don't exist in South America, then there will be no treasures lost because they were moved during the attempt to recover them.
There are none of these stories from Paraguay and Brazil?

Best wishes,
J_P

:lol:

I guess there is the Jinn that bring them the treasure! :D

These are particular places... and LRLs there heve special powers...;)

Kind regards,
Max

[1843]

It began with a sever headache that suddenly occurred to me and afterward
My ankle began to feeling burning ended to sever pain. It was entirely unnatural and unprecedented weird event for me along my life by this time.
So my partners sent down the cable of lift and lifted me up. Headache lasted less than 2 days but ankle pain about 3 months which I couldn’t walk appropriately or even sit.
The interesting thing in my ankle was I never had any sign of inflammatory reactions, nothing.

The Guru told this point that; for first alarm, their very slight hit is on ankle and head of human. They do some thing like tickling with a finger. If they strike a little tough will definitely kill human and these creatures themselves avoid of human killing as much as possible, especially when they know human is really ignorant of existence of them at the place.
Anyway that’s a strange subject that we can’t understand or realize their behaviors. You see, if human had their abilities and powers what would do with them? Would definitely exploited of power (what is doing every day against animals, plants and…) , but jinns are very patient, reasonable with high control on their actions and nerve. They respect and observe their own rules strictly and never break their rules. Really strange.:oh:
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
Hi dear J_Player.
some parts of your comments are right, but jinns are living all around the world without many of human limitations;
they don't need vehicle to transport, they move very fast and can go to other points of world easily of course have their own rules, tribes, boss and very careful in observing their rules and boss.
e.g. one of their rules is: "never annoy or molest human unless they make problem for you and aggress."
one of the very rare places human can make problem that is unpleasant for them is treasure hunting( of course in very professional level at great depths or sometimes at medium depths) this will provoke them to react; they can easily affect on human mind (chakrah) to discourage us this is first step.
next step is a little hit like what did with me; make very sever headache and a very sever pain on my ankle, which I couldn't sit for 2 months, if human proceeds, will make strange voices like loud crying or screaming to make you give up, and if again persist, will hurt seriously; as they are incredibly powerful will kill immediately.

I wrote this previously here;
one friend told me he has seen burnt body like a charcoal at bottom of a dug well on a treasure point. Although in some cases they move treasure very fast to another point.
of course there are very unknown aspects of these strange creatures which very rare humans know about like our Guru and when question them, try to not reveal secrets of jinns world.
This is now somewhat clear for me that some humans who are very rare, have powers to hire or employ(something like this) some especial jinns to use them against guards of treasures.
what I've got by this time is that guards were especial selected jinns more powerful than others of their races. so can conclude in ancient eras people had access to a weird science to employ such jinns for their treasures and mostly reigns in Middle east countries, India had this weird science though in some other countries like Turkey ,Greek ,… was somehow so.[ Okantex and Geo know better]. as unlike human, jinns live for thousands years, OK, you can guess; it has been the best way for keep the treasure that lasted by this time.

one thing our Guru told us was that jinns like gold much more than human especially when it becomes ancient they love it more than their life. so after death of owner they never leave it and consider themselves as owner of treasure. so makes no difference for them that trespasser to their den be a man or woman, will react the same.:rolleyes:
Our Guru said for this reason there is only one way; to persuade them to leave it for us which mostly don’t accept or fight to scare away or kill them cos treasure essentially belonged and belongs to human kind not jinns and how much of lives had taken and bloods shed to gather such treasures it is not their share and never belongs them. Humans used them to guard for some while not everlasting, jinns for their great interests to gold can’t leave, so that only way remains is push them out with using force and it’s not an ordinary war.
oh, there are much more things to tell about which is out of patience and unable to tell.........:frown:
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
Oh, yes, good question, the question that had made my mind busy for a while.
answer: I'm the manager and head of my team/partners I set all things, tools, appointments, planning and so on to program. and in work I'm the most active member, at that time I was personally working with electrical Hammer at 8m depth. as we were told at first they target and alarm the head of team to suspend their work. when head is dissuaded then work will be stopped. if all persist on continuing, all will be affected one by one.

I told, they're strange, and any suggested question comes from this strangeness. they have their own rules and do it very neatly.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Michael,

If you like others to believe your lies, either tell better lies or find some stupid people... The members of this forum are educated, they won't believe your lies!:lol:
BTW do you get money from somewhere instead of the lies you tell?:D

[Fred]

I don´t think Michael is lying, he´s exposing his experience.
I respect that and calling him liar doesn´seems right to me.
You have the right to believe or not.Just like in religions, anyone have the right to believe what he wants-independently if it´s true or not.

[Esteban]

Maybe these stories can explain the reason why people report Mineoro is not finding treasures in Europe and other places where we hear these stories. If a treasure is moved after first detecting it, then recovery will be impossible regardless of whether it was detected by a conventional detector or LRL. Some people will conclude that there never was a treasure at all, only a false signal. But others will conclude the treasure was moved by Jinns, or other strange creatures like leprechauns. Of course, if these strange creatures don't exist in South America, then there will be no treasures lost because they were moved during the attempt to recover them.
There are none of these stories from Paraguay and Brazil?

Best wishes,
J_P

:lol: :lol: :lol: Sounds as a joke! :lol: Here is worst! Spirits keep the treasures!

[J_Player]

:lol: :lol: :lol: Sounds as a joke! :lol: Here is worst! Spirits keep the treasures!Hi Esteban,
No Jinns in Paraguay or Brazil? But other spirits keep the treasures? Hmmmm....
Is this the reason why you usually find coins and other small treasures?
Have the spirits taken all the large gold statues to keep for themselves? :eek:

Best wishes,
J_P

[Esteban]

Hi Esteban,
No Jinns in Paraguay or Brazil? But other spirits keep the treasures? Hmmmm....
Is this the reason why you usually find coins and other small treasures?
Have the spirits taken all the large gold statues to keep for themselves? :eek:

Best wishes,
J_P

Those are stories of the people when you go for to search for treasure. I never experiment it... So, aren't mine stories... :nono:

[rajesh]

Those are stories of the people when you go for to search for treasure. I never experiment it... So, aren't mine stories... :nono: hi esteban please read this........ story this is near from my home......rajesh

During the ruling period of Akbar, he learned about the legends of Jwalamukhi. In a fit of anger, he tried to douse the flames with a stream of water. The great power of the Goddess, still kept the flames burning. Realizing the power of Jwala Devi, Akbar came with his army to this temple. He brought a Gold umbrella (Chatra) for the Goddess, but on offering, the umbrella turned into an unknown metal suggesting that the Goddess didn't accept his offering.
http://www.culturalindia.net/indian-temples/jwala-devi-temple.html

[1843]

I don´t think Michael is lying, he´s exposing his experience.
I respect that and calling him liar doesn´seems right to me.
You have the right to believe or not.Just like in religions, anyone have the right to believe what he wants-independently if it´s true or not.

Jinn is his belief...(I agree) But how about the funny stories he has told?

[Fred]

Jinn is his belief...(I agree) But how about the funny stories he has told?
I believe that he believes everything he wrote. :)

[peroon]

I believe that he believes everything he wrote. :)

I beleive that you beleive that he beleives everything he wrote! :razz::lol:

[Fred]

I beleive that you beleive that he beleives everything he wrote! :razz::lol:

Yes, you can ! :lol:

[Fred]

Everything you ever wanted to know about Jinns,:rolleyes: :
http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=32668

Including the true story (?) of the green jinn we have seen before :
http://www.anvari.org/fun/Farsi/Jinn_Picture.html

[michael]

Hi all friends, I was busy to continue digging and we got to 10m depth.
for 2nd night we checked all walls of well and at 9m we had clear strong signal in one direction/axis where we suspected from first, as we ignored of ground slope from first didn't calculate and correct slope index. as you know this is very important especially when target is very deep, so we now should burrow about 2-3 m to reach the target. wait for my results, see the destiny god's destined for us if shoot final bullet on the treasure. of course pictures only for friends in Private forum.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Michael,

If you like others to believe your lies, either tell better lies or find some stupid people... The members of this forum are educated, they won't believe your lies!:lol:
BTW do you get money from somewhere instead of the lies you tell?:D
So what? again you ridiculed yourself, nothing more, can't you do anything more than putting posts that sentense your logic more and more? and that the posts which are here, not necessary annoy yourself put here if any one asks I'll refer to them, these are not documents against me, so that I'm not denying them. :lol::lol:

of course as I said before from a mind like yours not expected to do any thing other than laughing. as it's basically unable to speculate or search about truth percent of a claim.
your evaluating standards are only your mind data.
personality of a person who cannot respect other experiences( not even believes) is clear and your personality here becomes more and more clear. yes you should laugh, and this confirms my opinions about you more and more, continue with this strong logic.:D

what I wrote are much more beyond your conception, so your tiny mind refuses it and regard them as a funny stories. :D
every word you say and your manner of just comparing with your desires condemn yourself more and more.;)
and yes people here are not stupid, never. They can vote about your logic.

I don´t think Michael is lying, he´s exposing his experience.
I respect that and calling him liar doesn´seems right to me.
You have the right to believe or not.Just like in religions, anyone have the right to believe what he wants-independently if it´s true or not.

Thank you dear Fred, thanks a lot for your kind statements.
this is quiddity of discourteous people and no expectation of any perception from them.
One thing has been proved to me personally: when one guy immediately without any deliberation or research charge other or others of lying, his main habit is lying. he is a great liar or bouncer, cos he always watch things from his specific eye glasses(lying) especially such strange things.

if this guy could respect others' experiences or believes, then would be J-Player, Fred,.... but his mind has been programmed to laugh at what can't perceive.:)

[aft_72005]

Hi all friends, I was busy to continue digging and we got to 10m depth.
for 2nd night we checked all walls of well and at 9m we had clear strong signal in one direction/axis where we suspected from first, as we ignored of ground slope from first didn't calculate and correct slope index. as you know this is very important especially when target is very deep, so we now should burrow about 2-3 m to reach the target. wait for my results, see the destiny god's destined for us if shoot final bullet on the treasure. of course pictures only for friends in Private forum.

Hi dear friend :)
I hope you having great successfully. Also I will bless for you .
I am very interesting that what is your final result . beware from
Persons around you and your target .maybe there are intelligent service
And secret polices .:ninja: I had problem with those once time at the past.
I believe also, only god helped me until I released.
God bless you and your group ( ALSO WITH YOUR FAMILY).
Best regards.

[aft_72005]

for 2nd night we checked all walls of well and at 9m we had clear strong signal in one direction

What was your instrument ? PD or metal detector
Best regards.

[1843]

beware from
Persons around you and your target .maybe there are intelligent service
And secret polices .:ninja: I had problem with those once time at the past.
I believe also, only god helped me until I released.
God bless you and your group ( ALSO WITH YOUR FAMILY).
Best regards.

Interesting!

[vistac2000]

Hi michael,

I trust to you and I wish you success in your digging ... ;)
please tell us about your results...
What kind of MD you used for this job???

[michael]

Hi dear friend :)
I hope you having great successfully. Also I will bless for you .
I am very interesting that what is your final result . beware from
Persons around you and your target .maybe there are intelligent service
And secret polices .:ninja: I had problem with those once time at the past.
I believe also, only god helped me until I released.
God bless you and your group ( ALSO WITH YOUR FAMILY).
Best regards.
Hi Aft.
Thanks a lot for your concerns and kind statements.:)
all of my partners are trustworthy and honest and from first we've invested for all things in mutual.
we have grown up with each other like brothers, no problem man.
as I'm very fastidious in such things never have let strange guys infiltrate to my team.

What was your instrument ? PD or metal detector
we checked walls vary carefully and with obsessively with different PIs and different loops. it took an entire night.:frown:

[michael]

Hi michael,

I trust to you and I wish you success in your digging ... ;)
please tell us about your results...
What kind of MD you used for this job???
Hi Vistac. thank you.
We mostly use PI of course 2 kinds of them which we own.

[rajesh]

Hi michael,

I trust to you and I wish you success in your digging ... ;)
please tell us about your results...
What kind of MD you used for this job???
hi i'm not recmonde to hunting treasure there are very denger work. if you have find any treasure you has been pure gold. i have some unknowe metal that was gold before hunting. there was sprit power of mother like jinn [ read this care fully ]
..>>>>>>>>>>>During the ruling period of Akbar, he learned about the legends of Jwalamukhi[name of sprit ]. In a fit of anger, he tried to douse the flames with a stream of water. The great power of the Goddess, still kept the flames burning. Realizing the power of Jwala Devi,[jwala devi mean flameble sprit ] Akbar [akbar was a king ] came with his army to this temple. He brought a Gold umbrella (Chatra) for the Goddess, but on offering, the umbrella turned into an unknown metal suggesting that the Goddess didn't accept his offering. this is in this place these days. this is all really you can visit this site http://etirth.org/2008/03/06/jwala-devi-kangra-himachal-pradesh-india/
http://www.culturalindia.net/indian-temples/jwala-devi-temple.html (http://www.culturalindia.net/indian-temples/jwala-devi-temple.htmlhttp://etirth.org/2008/03/06/jwala-devi-kangra-himachal-pradesh-india/)

[rajesh]

hi all i have done this t/r detector but i need more working schematic include p.c.b.
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11150&highlight=tow+box&page=20

[Morgan]

Hi Vistac. thank you.
We mostly use PI of course 2 kinds of them which we own.
Hi Michael

Did your Pistoldetektor signal something in this place you are diging ?
I use many PI´s devices,and can tell you,SOMETIMES THEY GIVE FALSE SIGNALS WHERE REAL SPOTS NOT EXIST.
Already 10 meters deep,and nothing,hummmmm:|
Be very careful Michael.

Regards

[michael]

Hi dear Morgan.
This location is one of total 3 locations we found by our MDL 8500.
you are right about some false PI signals, but we should a at first become familiar to detector language or type of signal, after that will easily find out and realize a false signal from a true signal.
a false signal that can be for some viscous magnetized(all are manmade) is somehow weak and narrowband.
but when it's for a big very ancient target it's very wide and is going to explode detector.
before digging on this point, I had done all things I could, using all PIs, PD and L-rods.
of course I have put these all in different parts in this forum.
for this first we pinpointed it with our MDL, after that I was interested in using PD. and as I've told before PD started beeping from about 20 meters, very close to target it became crazy; nonstop beeping.
(I had tested this at different nights and different conditions).
that I've not put for now is;
one thing I've not put before in forum and think wrote to Geo is:
for another location where the biggest target location is, PD first sporadic signals appeared from 60-70m and from 40-50m became continuous beeps.

L-rods usability for me now is only for determining depth, and I do it as the best with various L-rods which I have (even firms-made or my own neatly hand-made) for this place what I got with L-rods was about 10-11 m.
I got this result repeatably and constantly with L-rods and from first told to my partners target is at 10-11 m.
now after passing 10m for the well at 9m we have very clear signal in one direction.
Based on my various experiences it's only for a big mass of metal.
This is first time we get such thing, we checked all the walls and soil from surface to 10m is the same entirely homogenous, very hard and entirely neutral for detectors(cos we have tested it with detectors)
my partners applauded me and told me bravo for good depth determining it's almost what I determined from first.
we should put just the last part of this puzzle. see what god has destined for us to the end.:)

[Morgan]

Hi dear Morgan.
This location is one of total 3 locations we found by our MDL 8500.
you are right about some false PI signals, but we should a at first become familiar to detector language or type of signal, after that will easily find out and realize a false signal from a true signal.
a false signal that can be for some viscous magnetized(all are manmade) is somehow weak and narrowband.
but when it's for a big very ancient target it's very wide and is going to explode detector.
before digging on this point, I had done all things I could, using all PIs, PD and L-rods.
of course I have put these all in different parts in this forum.
for this first we pinpointed it with our MDL, after that I was interested in using PD. and as I've told before PD started beeping from about 20 meters, very close to target it became crazy; nonstop beeping.
(I had tested this at different nights and different conditions).
that I've not put for now is;
one thing I've not put before in forum and think wrote to Geo is:
for another location where the biggest target location is, PD first sporadic signals appeared from 60-70m and from 40-50m became continuous beeps.

L-rods usability for me now is only for determining depth, and I do it as the best with various L-rods which I have (even firms-made or my own neatly hand-made) for this place what I got with L-rods was about 10-11 m.
I got this result repeatably and constantly with L-rods and from first told to my partners target is at 10-11 m.
now after passing 10m for the well at 9m we have very clear signal in one direction.
Based on my various experiences it's only for a big mass of metal.
This is first time we get such thing, we checked all the walls and soil from surface to 10m is the same entirely homogenous, very hard and entirely neutral for detectors(cos we have tested it with detectors)
my partners applauded me and told me bravo for good depth determining it's almost what I determined from first.
we should put just the last part of this puzzle. see what god has destined for us to the end.:)
Hope you have done the right calibrations in your PD,or i´m afraid you have detected big mass of minerals very deep underground.
After your relatory of work i conclude that you are ready to go more meters underground,i only can wish you good luck to realize your dreams but be very careful.Dont go too much deep in this adventure...

[rezamery]

Jinn is his belief...(I agree) But how about the funny stories he has told?


I am completely agree with the Michael obseravtions, since I have done many hours of research and study regarding this matter.
Not be able to see or experience a phenomena is not a reasonable proof to reject that thoroughly.:nono:
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabian_mythology)Genie also called jinn, djinn, is a (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supernatural)supernatural creature which possesses free will. They have been created of smokeless fire. Amongst archaeologists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archeology) dealing with ancient Middle East (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_Eastern) cultures, any spirit lesser than angels is often referred to as a djinn, especially when describing stone carvings or other forms of art.
The pre-Islamic Zoroastrian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoroastrian) culture of ancient Persia believed in jaini/jahi, evil female spirits thought to spread diseases to people. However, Zoroaster (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoroaster) himself did not believe in the existence of evil female spirits thought to spread diseases to people.
Inscriptions found in Northwestern Arabia seem to indicate the worship of djinn, or at least their tributary status. For instance, an inscription from Beth Fasi'el near Palmyra (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palmyra) pays tribute to the "Ginnaye", the "good and rewarding gods" providing a sharp resemblance to the Latin Genius (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genius_%28mythology%29) and Juno (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juno_%28mythology%29): The Guardian Spirits.
Types of djinn include the Shaitan, the Ghul, the Marid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marid), the Ifrit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ifrit) and the Jinn. According to the information in The Arabian Nights, Ifrit seem to be the strongest form of djinn, followed by Marid, and then the rest of the djinn forms.
Similar to humans, jinns have free will allowing them to follow any religion they choose. They are usually invisible to humans and humans do not appear clear to them. However, jinn often harass and even possess humans, for various reasons, such as infatuation (with a girl), revenge, or because of a deal made with a practitioner of black magic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_magic). Jinns have the power to travel large distances extremely quickly and live in remote areas, mountains, seas, trees, and the air, in their own communities. Like humans, jinns will also be judged on The Day of Judgment and will be sent to Heaven (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jannat) or Hell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jahannam) according to their deeds. Since humans usually cannot see them and humans do not appear clear to them, the human "world" and that of the jinn is considered separate, and only practitioners of "black magic" contact them deliberately.
These types of contact are usually done for asking the jinn to do us a favor and do what we instruct them. For making such these contacts, it needs that you have a special knowledge to possess the jinn. Ancient civilizations especially those originating from the Middle East countries could achieve to this kind of power prior to any other people in the world due to their vast domain of knowledge and the necessity to have such these supernatural power to guard their own belongings by jinn and also make use of them in other necessary fields.
The Quran states that King Solomon (sulayman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulayman)) is said to have compelled the jinn into his service and given them dominion over 25 parasangs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasang) of his realm. In his court, the jinn stood behind the learned humans, who in turn, sat behind the prophets. Solomon’s wife, the Queen of sheba (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_of_Sheba), was reportedly born of the marriage between a jinni and a human. However, it is not clear whether it was her mother or father who was a jinni. Those authorities who believe that her mother was a jinni further tell us that her name was Rayḥāna. It was this connection of her with the jinn that made people apprehensive about Solomon’s marriage to her. They feared that if their master Solomon married a half-jinni, they would be forced to remain in the service of the offspring of that marriage forever. Thus, to make Solomon fall out of love with her, they told him that she was insane, and that her feet were hairy and resembled those of a donkey. The jinn remained in the service of Solomon, who had placed them in bondage, and had ordered their king, Zūba’a, to perform a number of tasks throughout his life. Upon Solomon’s death, however, Zūbaa went to the places where his subjects were toiling, and called out to them to stop working. They happily obeyed, and one of them carved a message in stone, enumerating what they had built during their servitude.

[1843]

I feel really sorry that you are more than 10 centuries behind. These ridiculous stories (superstitions) are denied in the 21'st c...

[michael]

Hi Rezamery
Very interesting comments. it's interesting all are conformed to what I've read in books. It's interesting for me at last after J_Player one other man appeared who toughly believes in these.
But due to some reasons I gave up putting all them here, I just tried to put only what I've personally experienced. some guys have problem to accept a man real experience and deny all, so how can accept the rest??? about many of them as I've told before the have right no to believe many of them, but respecting to an independent person who wants only to inform, is another case.
some never can even observe this kind of respect, then how can expect believe the rest?
me personally by last year laughed at these things, but now regardless of my own experiences believe in other parts of jinn aspects.
some people think that in this era have very high technology in all realms, but the fact is this science has many limitations. admittedly in electronic or other types human has noticeably advanced, but in some things is very weak.
can they now make a copy of triple pyramids?
one instance you point is Solomon the prophet who many jinns were at his service and made many of monuments for him (based on what I've read) many of them now are ruins as in many part of world we have like it. it was for long time I was thinking how human could make some incredible buildings or monument like: triple pyramid in Egypt or Perspolis palace in Persia (Iran) or big ioroana stone statues in the islands without any stone and many of these.

One time I was visiting perspolis ruins there were many of 2-head lion or 2-head horse stone caspitals on ground. was obviously distinguishable that one time those were put on top of columns. the leader told us that those had been caspitals of columns and told in one project government tried to lift up and put one of them on top of its' column by means of their most powerful helicopter. helicopter couldn't lift it even 1 Cm from ground and project failed.
it had made my mind very busy how ancient people could put those on top of such very high stone columns. and even how they made those columns.
however I thought got lest answer.
after confronting to these stories and more important my personal experiences it got me think of truth possibilities of using jinns power to build those by ancient humans. the science that human now is entirely unfamiliar to and even deny the possibilities, so what they answer to you?
like what see here: "I feel really sorry that you are more than 10 centuries behind" cos mind hangs ans has no answer.:D

so is better let them remain in their believes(better tell disbelieves). they believe in only what have in their hands or pockets or what is only in front of their vision: a pen, a bag, cell-phone, TV, a detector, a car,....:D
are ignorant about backstage mysteries.;)

[WM6]

There is a difference between the faith that I experienced some experience and the reality of such experience.

[Max]

There is a difference between the faith that I experienced some experience and the reality of such experience.





Like when chatting with some "girl" over the internet/instant-messages ... then you'll just after realize the "difference" when meet she (or he ?) :shocked:

Never trust fantasies... just facts matters, what you touch, what you feel, what you see ...in other words...what's real.

The unreal is just for dreamers and belivers and will always lead to failure and delusion.:rolleyes: And off course, for writers and other money makers... they sell dreams to the fools. :lol:

Kind regards,
Max

[michael]

There is a difference between the faith that I experienced some experience and the reality of such experience.



Please share us (at least me) in your experiences. I'm eagerly interested in knowing them if youc really have. :)
of course please, honest to god, all be your personal experiences, as I never pointed to others' claims.