Magnetic Resonance Spectrometer

[Esteban]

I think can be useful for some thinks... :rolleyes:

[detectoman]

this semms cool, hi stebane my friend, can you send here or to me mp, these in the transistor version? and any tips on aproach posibilites for study aplications
thank
detectioman

[Esteban]

this semms cool, hi stebane my friend, can you send here or to me mp, these in the transistor version? and any tips on aproach posibilites for study aplications
thank
detectioman

Hello Detectoman :)

This is the only version I have. Will send you complete info, but with tubes!

Regards

Esteban

[detectoman]

mr stebane, if you like, yes, i accept, send me please for i study, thanks

[Esteban]

mr stebane, if you like, yes, i accept, send me please for i study, thanks

Soon. This is 10 pages in gif.

Regards

Esteban

[Max]

I think can be useful for some thinks... :rolleyes:

and this is another fairy-tale scenario:

how the hell the target (usually buried in soil) is supposed to be in the middle of coils ??? :lol:

What new science-fiction is this ? :D

You first dug the target... then put it in the middle of coils and perform magnetic-resonance!? :lol:

Is that remote sensing for you ?

I think the sun hit very strong at your place...:rolleyes:

Kind regards,
Max

[Esteban]

Dman, Hung, Michael and Jimmy, info was sent.

[Max]

Don't know why... but had no dubts on Hung's interest in such a thing...

I'm sure he will debunker also this circuit...

I'm still awaiting for debunkering process... but seems it stalled somehow...
or well... never started! :lol:

Kind regards,
Max

[Seden]

Esteban,

This is interesting, I'd like to see a transistor version. I see Robert is back on the Forum incognito.

Randy

[Esteban]

Esteban,

This is interesting, I'd like to see a transistor version. I see Robert is back on the Forum incognito.

Randy


:lol:

[Max]

Esteban,

This is interesting, I'd like to see a transistor version. I see Robert is back on the Forum incognito.

Randy


Hi,
I'm not Robert... :D

but maybe we need his return here! :lol:

Just to square the circle....of LRL ! :rolleyes:

Kind regards,
Max

[Max]

:lol:

Seems also you belive that ??? :lol:

Why ???

Anyone could post elephants and nude girls in Remote Sensing! :razz:

Not only Robert ! :D

Kind regards,
Max

[michael]

Dman, Hung, Michael and Jimmy, info was sent.
Hi all and especially you; Esteban.
Thank you man for your concern and regard. I received them and really appreciate your favors.
But question; Can this device be useful for THing? e.g. more than PD? I know and am sure PD works as a LRL for a real treasure, how is this in comparison with PD? does it have any advantage?
have you ever made and tested it?
Regards.

[Max]

Hi all and especially you; Esteban.
Thank you man for your concern and regard. I received them and really appreciate your favors.
But question; Can this device be useful for THing? e.g. more than PD? I know and am sure PD works as a LRL for a real treasure, how is this in comparison with PD? does it have any advantage?
have you ever made and tested it?
Regards.

Hi,
you know PD works ? :lol:

Did you find anything with it... or it's just that you think it works but found nothing, actually ? :D

Have you performed a double-blind test with PD ? :rolleyes:

Kind regards,
Max

[Esteban]

Seems also you belive that ??? :lol:

Why ???

Anyone could post elephants and nude girls in Remote Sensing! :razz:

Not only Robert ! :D

Kind regards,
Max

Of course, you're not RObert... maybe a copy...

:razz:

[Seden]

Of course, you're not RObert... maybe a copy...

:razz:

Yep sure is the same M.O. as Robert. Looks like a duck, walks like a duck and sounds like a duck. What else am I to believe here? At least he's not Albanian, we'll give him credit for that!:lol:

Randy

[michael]

Hi,
you know PD works ? :lol:

Did you find anything with it... or it's just that you think it works but found nothing, actually ? :D

Have you performed a double-blind test with PD ? :rolleyes:

Kind regards, Max
Hi, Yes Max, I'm sure and sure more than what you can imagine.
you point to double blind test, OK, test for what? a fresh buried target? no, this is not the case.
we are talking about treasure, OK? and here in our scope we regard a treasure as a big and very old buried precious metal.
it's entirely different than a fresh small piece buried.
for 3 located points of big treasure here (with our unique PI; MDL) I checked all locations with PD.
I set PD hundreds meters away the locations when reached near them, got clear signal that made it beep crazily.
yes it works, but depends on what you expect; find a lost gold earring, ring, coin,.... or no find a real treasure, yes, a real treasure; trove,..... these behave in another manner.
of course I have previously put some parts of my personal experiences in forum and seems you were ignorant about them
one here: http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15242 # 10 & 14 and other posts which I don't remember now.
again repeat ; PD is good for monitoring an area and find hot places, but pinpointing is impossible with it especially for big deep treasures.
if you want, can laugh, is up to you.:D

[Max]

Of course, you're not RObert... maybe a copy...

:razz:

Not a copy... I have ny own style... :lol:

[Max]

Of course, you're not RObert... maybe a copy...

:razz:

Yep sure is the same M.O. as Robert. Looks like a duck, walks like a duck and sounds like a duck. What else am I to believe here? At least he's not Albanian, we'll give him credit for that!:lol:

Randy


Belive what you want. Same rule apply to impossible projects! :razz:

[Max]

Hi, Yes Max, I'm sure and sure more than what you can imagine.
you point to double blind test, OK, test for what? a fresh buried target? no, this is not the case.
we are talking about treasure, OK? and here in our scope we regard a treasure as a big and very old buried precious metal.
it's entirely different than a fresh small piece buried.
for 3 located points of big treasure here (with our unique PI; MDL) I checked all locations with PD.
I set PD hundreds meters away the locations when reached near them, got clear signal that made it beep crazily.
yes it works, but depends on what you expect; find a lost gold earring, ring, coin,.... or no find a real treasure, yes, a real treasure; trove,..... these behave in another manner.
of course I have previously put some parts of my personal experiences in forum and seems you were ignorant about them
one here: http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15242 # 10 & 14 and other posts which I don't remember now.
again repeat ; PD is good for monitoring an area and find hot places, but pinpointing is impossible with it especially for big deep treasures.
if you want, can laugh, is up to you.:D

Hi,
hmmm... I saw that already I think... but the problem is that you also reported of many failed tests with PD.

You have to consider that people here , like Morgan or Esteban worte about coin detection and small items... posted movies etc so always PD was claimed of detecting also small stuff...

now I read your post and saw just another variation on the theme that made almost impossible for people have a clear idea of how the PD is supposed to work.

You wrote you need large treasure, also long time buried... different from Esteban and Morgan (not to talk of Hung... who clearly detects coins with his burnt PD at miles away! :rolleyes:) that talk of small stuff detection too...

So, how that's possible that PD works for you in a way different from Morgan or Esteban ?

Also, PD was claimed capable of pinpointing targets , like coins or rings but seems you cannot pinpoint treasure and device simply go crazy... BUT if it goes crazy and cannot pinpoint you then used conventional MD to locate the treasure!

So... you know the treasure (or something) was there... cause MD told you... and just trick of the mind happened and when PD start singing you connected that to the treasure there...

I ask... what's usefulness of such a thing if you need MD to locate the treasure ?

Locate hot area maybe ? Are you sure it can really do ?

Kind regards,
Max

[WM6]

Locate hot area maybe ? Are you sure it can really do ?

Max

Sure it can locate hot area, but beed some travel to Africa.
Prety expensice without rich sponsor.

[Fred]

I think can be useful for some thinks... :rolleyes:

Interesting.
No relation with MD or LRL or PD , but cool :D .
Here more info:
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic-art/357277/6474/Magnetic-resonance-spectrometer
http://www.its.caltech.edu/~derose/labs/exp5.html

Some could put their head inside and try to find anomalies...

[hung]

Dman, Hung, Michael and Jimmy, info was sent.

Thanks friend. You trully are a gentleman.:thumb:

[Esteban]

Of course, you're not RObert... maybe a copy...

:razz:

Yep sure is the same M.O. as Robert. Looks like a duck, walks like a duck and sounds like a duck. What else am I to believe here? At least he's not Albanian, we'll give him credit for that!:lol:

Randy


A bad copy! RObert is better! :razz:

[Esteban]

Interesting.
No relation with MD or LRL or PD , but cool :D .
Here more info:
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic-art/357277/6474/Magnetic-resonance-spectrometer
http://www.its.caltech.edu/~derose/labs/exp5.html

Some could put their head inside and try to find anomalies...

Of course, apparently no relation with PD... but you're sure? :lol:

[J_Player]

Of course, apparently no relation with PD... but you're sure? :lol:Hi Esteban,
Yes, I am sure.
If you read the articles, they are talking about the methods of measuring the spectrum of nuclear magnetic resonance for different samples placed inside a testing machine. The testing machine will not work without building it to some very close tolerances:
The magnet has been modified and adjusted to produce a highly homogeneous magnetic field over a relatively large volume (~1.5 cm^3) at the center of the gap. This has required using high-purity low-remanence iron for the pole-pieces, and finishing the faces flat to optical tolerances (~1-2 wavelengths). The pole-pieces have not been rigidly attached to the main magnet H-frame, realistic machining tolerances making this impractical. Instead a Neoprene rubber (0.8 mm) spacer has been inserted between each pole-piece and the frame. Careful adjustment of the three fixing screws for each pole-piece varies the compression of the Neoprene so that the pole faces may be adjusted to be precisely parallel, thus maximizing the volume of best field homogeneity. A field homogeneity better than 1 part in 10,000 over a volume of ~2 cm^3 has been achieved.

A sample coil is mounted centrally in the gap of the magnet. A short length of NON-MAGNETIC low-capacity coaxial cable is used for connection to the electronics chassis.
The sample to be tested is inserted between the pole pieces of an electromagnet that has been adjusted by three setscrews to produce an extremely homogenous field in a space of 2 cubic centimeters where the sample is placed.

When reading the text, it became very apparent that this equipment has no bearing on using an antique IB metal detector to find buried treasure, or using a passive ferrite coil with an attached RF detector circuit to locate buried treasure. The articles describe a method to measure the nuclear magnetic resonance of samples placed in a testing machine, not methods to locate hidden samples at long range with receiver coils. And the principle of operation is not related either, as it requires extremely high precision machining as well as adjusting physical dimensions to optical tolerances (1-2 wavelengths) in order to produce a extremely homogeneous magnetic field (better than part 1 in 10,000). Then it requires inserting a sample into this high-precision 2cc field to exhibit precession data when the field is removed.

Do you think any of this is related to the PD?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Esteban]

Hi Esteban,
Yes, I am sure.
If you read the articles, they are talking about the methods of measuring the spectrum of nuclear magnetic resonance for different samples placed inside a testing machine. The testing machine will not work without building it to some very close tolerances:
The sample to be tested is inserted between the pole pieces of an electromagnet that has been adjusted by three setscrews to produce an extremely homogenous field in a space of 2 cubic centimeters where the sample is placed.

When reading the text, it became very apparent that this equipment has no bearing on using an antique IB metal detector to find buried treasure, or using a passive ferrite coil with an attached RF detector circuit to locate buried treasure. The articles describe a method to measure the nuclear magnetic resonance of samples placed in a testing machine, not methods to locate hidden samples at long range with receiver coils. And the principle of operation is not related either, as it requires extremely high precision machining as well as adjusting physical dimensions to optical tolerances (1-2 wavelengths) in order to produce a extremely homogeneous magnetic field (better than part 1 in 10,000). Then it requires inserting a sample into this high-precision 2cc field to exhibit precession data when the field is removed.

Do you think any of this is related to the PD?

Best wishes,
J_P

For example, the MFD by Andy Flind is not for to locate treasure, OK? But with a loop and other few, this do very well, and also demonstrates that this old treasures has a strong energy causes that more one led of bargraph lights!

Regards

Esteban

[Max]

For example, the MFD by Andy Flind is not for to locate treasure, OK? But with a loop and other few, this do very well, and also demonstrates that this old treasures has a strong energy causes that more one led of bargraph lights!

Regards

Esteban

Hi,
you say that this project of Andy Flind modified works as LRL... and nobody else.

But you put that claim (as with others) and then gave no explaination, no modification plans, no testing procedure, nothing...

just claims. As Dell. As Hung. As any other LRL-fanatic but with add of pepper...

same stuff... but you also add some stamp-sized schematics... that's the difference! :lol:

That, of course, change totally my point of view about your claims... :D

Kind regards,
Max

[Max]

Thanks friend. You trully are a gentleman.:thumb:

You guys understand one each other... the LRL-tribe... chapter-2! :razz:

So what ?

Have you a new modified RT-flask to show here ???

Or wanna make debunkering now ??? :lol:

Still awaiting for the dang debunkering!

Kind regards,
Max

[Esteban]

Hi,
you say that this project of Andy Flind modified works as LRL... and nobody else.

But you put that claim (as with others) and then gave no explaination, no modification plans, no testing procedure, nothing...

just claims. As Dell. As Hung. As any other LRL-fanatic but with add of pepper...

same stuff... but you also add some stamp-sized schematics... that's the difference! :lol:

That, of course, change totally my point of view about your claims... :D

Kind regards,
Max

OK, but what are you doing on private RS forum? Here at eyes of all you are "civilizated", but in other part (more far of criticism by the skepticals) you mantain same hope...:razz:

[Qiaozhi]

Hi,
you say that this project of Andy Flind modified works as LRL... and nobody else.

But you put that claim (as with others) and then gave no explaination, no modification plans, no testing procedure, nothing...

just claims. As Dell. As Hung. As any other LRL-fanatic but with add of pepper...

same stuff... but you also add some stamp-sized schematics... that's the difference! :lol:

That, of course, change totally my point of view about your claims... :D

Kind regards,
Max

OK, but what are you doing on private RS forum? Here at eyes of all you are "civilizated", but in other part (more far of criticism by the skepticals) you mantain same hope...:razz:
The other forum is strictly limited to a technical examination of the PD, without the silly comments. But here, any old nonsense can be discussed, and extraordinary clams require extraordinary evidence.

Has anyone spotted that silver tea tray yet? :rolleyes:

[Esteban]

The other forum is strictly limited to a technical examination of the PD, without the silly comments. But here, any old nonsense can be discussed, and extraordinary clams require extraordinary evidence.

Has anyone spotted that silver tea tray yet? :rolleyes:

without the silly comments??? Do you're sure?

[Qiaozhi]

without the silly comments??? Do you're sure?


Yes, I agree ..... but that was supposed to be the agreement. On occasions I've had to remind certain people, who will remain unnamed. ;)

[Max]

without the silly comments??? Do you're sure?





Hi,
C'mon Esteban.... silly comments or not we need facts and proofs both here and in private forum!

But we haven't... that's the truth about these "topics"...

Unless you wanna post something more interesting... sure people will make humor at incredible claims with no proofs.

It's like with Hung's modified-RT... and gold-DNA... do you really think some people here have to stay quiet after reading such stories... or can feel free of making some laugh !? :D

Kind regards,
Max

[Seden]

Received the file,thank you!

Randy

[J_Player]

When reading the text, it became very apparent that this equipment has no bearing on using an antique IB metal detector to find buried treasure, or using a passive ferrite coil with an attached RF detector circuit to locate buried treasure. The articles describe a method to measure the nuclear magnetic resonance of samples placed in a testing machine, not methods to locate hidden samples at long range with receiver coils. And the principle of operation is not related either, as it requires extremely high precision machining as well as adjusting physical dimensions to optical tolerances (1-2 wavelengths) in order to produce a extremely homogeneous magnetic field (better than part 1 in 10,000). Then it requires inserting a sample into this high-precision 2cc field to exhibit precession data when the field is removed.

Do you think any of this is related to the PD?
For example, the MFD by Andy Flind is not for to locate treasure, OK? But with a loop and other few, this do very well, and also demonstrates that this old treasures has a strong energy causes that more one led of bargraph lights!Hi Esteban,
I am not sure I understand you. Are you saying Andy's MFD modified with a loop and "other few" to demonstrate buried treasure causing bar graph LEDs to light is related to a laboratory test instrument measuring the precession of protons of a sample placed in an extremely homogeneous magnetic field? :shrug:

I thought you were originally saying the PD is related to the nuclear magnetic resonance spectrum measuring instrument which uses the proton precession method to collect data on samples that are inserted. It is hard for me to imagine that Andy's MFD modified, or the PD are related to this laboratory instrument.
Are they?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Seden]

I didn't know he designed an MFD. Does he have a website?

Randy

[michael]

....So, how that's possible that PD works for you in a way different from Morgan or Esteban ? Hi.
As big old treasure has very large field around and naturally behaves differently. this is obvious, the bigger and deeper target the more halo and more difficult to pinpoint it even by GPRs or MDs.

....So... you know the treasure (or something) was there... cause MD told you... and just trick of the mind happened and when PD start singing you connected that to the treasure there...This makes not much difference, anyway I set PD very far from the locations every time and stepped toward there if it was a self-trick or idomotor reflection or any other such things should have got such signals on my way within distance. yes?

....I ask... what's usefulness of such a thing if you need MD to locate the treasure ??
Locate hot area maybe ? Are you sure it can really do ?
Exactly. to find hot places. of course for me is so, as we search for such targets.
usefulness or advantages are; a light, small very easy portable device which can be hidden easily and easily scan many hard terrains then after finding such hot locations focus on there with all other kind of conventional detectors which are somehow slow and need very careful considerations to find the point.

[Esteban]

Hi Esteban,
I am not sure I understand you. Are you saying Andy's MFD modified with a loop and "other few" to demonstrate buried treasure causing bar graph LEDs to light is related to a laboratory test instrument measuring the precession of protons of a sample placed in an extremely homogeneous magnetic field? :shrug:

I thought you were originally saying the PD is related to the nuclear magnetic resonance spectrum measuring instrument which uses the proton precession method to collect data on samples that are inserted. It is hard for me to imagine that Andy's MFD modified, or the PD are related to this laboratory instrument.
Are they?

Best wishes,
J_P

Originally Posted by J_Player
When reading the text, it became very apparent that this equipment has no bearing on using an antique IB metal detector to find buried treasure, or using a passive ferrite coil with an attached RF detector circuit to locate buried treasure. The articles describe a method to measure the nuclear magnetic resonance of samples placed in a testing machine, not methods to locate hidden samples at long range with receiver coils. And the principle of operation is not related either, as it requires extremely high precision machining as well as adjusting physical dimensions to optical tolerances (1-2 wavelengths) in order to produce a extremely homogeneous magnetic field (better than part 1 in 10,000). Then it requires inserting a sample into this high-precision 2cc field to exhibit precession data when the field is removed.

Do you think any of this is related to the PD?

***

Is a simple comparisson. Also the article by Andy Flind doesn't describe a method for to find treasures, is a MFD (Magnetic Field Detector), and here acts as receiver device. With some mods is useful for to locate metal buried for long time.

The ferrite part of the PD acts similar to the MFD.

I think is possible to modificate the Magnetic Resonance Spectrometer (MRS) as a LRL device. The theme is to found a sensor or antenna wich umbalance a delicate adjustment. The "phenomenon" causes for metal buried for long time can umbalance the equilibrium.

Regards

Esteban

[Fred]

For you Esteban,
A good electrometer ;)

http://www.cientificosaficionados.com/tbo/electrometro%20prof/electrometro%20profesional.html

[Esteban]

For you Esteban,
A good electrometer ;)

http://www.cientificosaficionados.com/tbo/electrometro%20prof/electrometro%20profesional.html

Thanks! Good info.

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by J_Player
When reading the text, it became very apparent that this equipment has no bearing on using an antique IB metal detector to find buried treasure, or using a passive ferrite coil with an attached RF detector circuit to locate buried treasure. The articles describe a method to measure the nuclear magnetic resonance of samples placed in a testing machine, not methods to locate hidden samples at long range with receiver coils. And the principle of operation is not related either, as it requires extremely high precision machining as well as adjusting physical dimensions to optical tolerances (1-2 wavelengths) in order to produce a extremely homogeneous magnetic field (better than part 1 in 10,000). Then it requires inserting a sample into this high-precision 2cc field to exhibit precession data when the field is removed.

Do you think any of this is related to the PD?

***

Is a simple comparisson. Also the article by Andy Flind doesn't describe a method for to find treasures, is a MFD (Magnetic Field Detector), and here acts as receiver device. With some mods is useful for to locate metal buried for long time.

The ferrite part of the PD acts similar to the MFD.

I think is possible to modificate the Magnetic Resonance Spectrometer (MRS) as a LRL device. The theme is to found a sensor or antenna wich umbalance a delicate adjustment. The "phenomenon" causes for metal buried for long time can umbalance the equilibrium.Hi Esteban,
Maybe you're right.
But in order to show a change in the MRS tester, a sample must be placed in the test cavity to be excited by the precision magnetic field for the sample's precession to be measured. When the sample is not inside the test cavity, then it is not possible to see precession data of the sample. An antenna in the test cavity would only show the precession data for the material the antenna is made from. You think that when the antenna is placed in the test cavity and pointed in the direction of a treasure, then the antenna metal precession data will be disturbed by energy collected from the buried treasure?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Esteban]

Hi Esteban,
Maybe you're right.
But in order to show a change in the MRS tester, a sample must be placed in the test cavity to be excited by the precision magnetic field for the sample's precession to be measured. When the sample is not inside the test cavity, then it is not possible to see precession data of the sample. An antenna in the test cavity would only show the precession data for the material the antenna is made from. You think that when the antenna is placed in the test cavity and pointed in the direction of a treasure, then the antenna metal precession data will be disturbed by energy collected from the buried treasure?

Best wishes,
J_P

Yes, exists a kind of energy around treasures. So if the system is sensitive, stable and well balanced, the energy will distort the cavity. Seem this type of instrument can be affected for strong interferences and maybe only can be useful in inland places, not in big cities.

Regards

Esteban

[Max]

Nuclear magnetic resonance and LRL don't mix for me...

So... I give up... cannot laugh anymore... waste too energy! :D

[Max]

Originally Posted by J_Player
When reading the text, it became very apparent that this equipment has no bearing on using an antique IB metal detector to find buried treasure, or using a passive ferrite coil with an attached RF detector circuit to locate buried treasure. The articles describe a method to measure the nuclear magnetic resonance of samples placed in a testing machine, not methods to locate hidden samples at long range with receiver coils. And the principle of operation is not related either, as it requires extremely high precision machining as well as adjusting physical dimensions to optical tolerances (1-2 wavelengths) in order to produce a extremely homogeneous magnetic field (better than part 1 in 10,000). Then it requires inserting a sample into this high-precision 2cc field to exhibit precession data when the field is removed.

Do you think any of this is related to the PD?

***

Is a simple comparisson. Also the article by Andy Flind doesn't describe a method for to find treasures, is a MFD (Magnetic Field Detector), and here acts as receiver device. With some mods is useful for to locate metal buried for long time.

The ferrite part of the PD acts similar to the MFD.

I think is possible to modificate the Magnetic Resonance Spectrometer (MRS) as a LRL device. The theme is to found a sensor or antenna wich umbalance a delicate adjustment. The "phenomenon" causes for metal buried for long time can umbalance the equilibrium.

Regards

Esteban

Do you understand that the NMR stuff is made specifically to create a uniform magneti field in a small volume or not ?

These things ARE MADE to ignore little variations around... including rf noise... now you wrote here that you can use it for LRL... nice...

post the schematics and plans of device... people will mount and tell you if it works or not as LRL! :razz:

Kind regards,
Max