How can comprobe if LRL rods works

[Esteban]

How can comprobe if LRL rods works

[Qiaozhi]

You will never convince me that dowsing rods are anything more than a trick of the mind.

To quote from the U.S. Geological Survey Report - 1917:
"Further testing of dowsing ... would be a misuse of public funds."

[okantex]

Qiaozhi

believe me they work ,indeed they do act to something .
I ccan find cavities by two L rods easily even it is cavity of hose .when passing over cavity ,rods cross.

but for finding metals , it is still question mark for me????
regards

[Geo]

Qiaozhi

believe me they work ,indeed they do act to something .
I ccan find cavities by two L rods easily even it is cavity of hose .when passing over cavity ,rods cross.

but for finding metals , it is still question mark for me????
regards


xaxaxa... hi all.
For me is more easy to find metals than cavities:lol:
Gold is a dificault metal to locate it, but al or bronze or iron are very very easy
Regards

[Esteban]

You will never convince me that dowsing rods are anything more than a trick of the mind.

To quote from the U.S. Geological Survey Report - 1917:
"Further testing of dowsing ... would be a misuse of public funds."

No for to convince. The only method is an electronic attachment to LRL rods: in wich proportion the beeps are in coincidence with LRL "marks", just a "solution" for the intringulis...

[Qiaozhi]

No for to convince. The only method is an electronic attachment to LRL rods: in wich proportion the beeps are in coincidence with LRL "marks", just a "solution" for the intringulis...
But the problem is that the electronics has no useful function. It is totally reliant on the swinging rod, and is therefore a result of the ideomotor effect.

[Qiaozhi]

Qiaozhi

believe me they work ,indeed they do act to something .
I ccan find cavities by two L rods easily even it is cavity of hose .when passing over cavity ,rods cross.

but for finding metals , it is still question mark for me????
regards
Yes - it may appear to you that the dowsing rods are working, but it is a "trick of the mind".
If you take the time to set up a double-blind test, you will find that the effect disappears.

Here's another quote, from Time Magazine:
"In other words, there is is no dowsing sense, only dowsing nonsense."

[Esteban]

But the problem is that the electronics has no useful function. It is totally reliant on the swinging rod, and is therefore a result of the ideomotor effect.

Yes, electronic is useful because you use and antenna wich "transmitt" variations to a high-resistence coil, here not an ideomotor effect, maybe you can obtain detection with this method, because I obtain in pistol mode, and here the only difference is that the antenna girates... so this simple function (movement) made "unreliable"...

[Qiaozhi]

Yes, electronic is useful because you use and antenna wich "transmitt" variations to a high-resistence coil, here not an ideomotor effect, maybe you can obtain detection with this method, because I obtain in pistol mode, and here the only difference is that the antenna girates... so this simple function (movement) made "unreliable"...
Are you saying that the antenna is not free to move ... i.e. it is fixed?

[Dell Winders]

Yes - it may appear to you that the dowsing rods are working, but it is a "trick of the mind".
If you take the time to set up a double-blind test, you will find that the effect disappears.

Only an idiot would make such an ignorant statement.

I've conducted hundreds more DB tests on the use of the Rods than you have, that positively proves okantex, estaban, geo, know much more about earth Science than you can possibly imagine.

You are wallowing in your own egotistical stupidity. Get a reality check and stop trying to scam Geotech viewers with your dis-proven nonsense. Dell

[Qiaozhi]

Only an idiot would make such an ignorant statement.


I've conducted hundreds more DB tests on the use of the Rods than you have, that positively proves okantex, estaban, geo, know much more about earth Science than you can possibly imagine.

You are wallowing in your own egotistical stupidity. Get a reality check and stop trying to scam Geotech viewers with your dis-proven nonsense. Dell
:nono: :nono:
Remember the Forum rules:
Be polite. Name calling will get you banned quickly.
Be factual. If you make an extraordinary claim, be prepared to get challenged.



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Dowsing is known to be a "trick of the mind", and has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, except to those whose living depends upon it ... aka the wallet-miners.


:lol: "WHAT DOESN'T WORK, CANNOT BE MADE TO WORK!" :lol:

[J_Player]

I've conducted hundreds more DB tests on the use of the Rods than you have, ...
DellHi Dell,

Can you tell us the facts about these hundreds of double blind tests you conducted?
To start with, why not focus on a single one of the double blind tests:
1. Where was the test conducted?
2. Who was the proctor?
3. What was the protocal of this double blind dowsing test?
4. What was the object of the double blind test? A gold item? a silver item? sonething else?
5. Was the operator aware of any results before the test was fully completed?
6. What were the results?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Esteban]

Are you saying that the antenna is not free to move ... i.e. it is fixed?

No, this move, but maybe this movement can be enough motive for to be unreliable for the skepticals. Of course, you can use fix mode, as a pistol...

[Qiaozhi]

No, this move, but maybe this movement can be enough motive for to be unreliable for the skepticals. Of course, you can use fix mode, as a pistol...
Yes - but then it will stop "working".
From what I can see in your diagram, it depends on the antenna being allowed to move. The PD is something else. It does not depend on the ideomotor effect.

[Qiaozhi]

Hi Dell,

Can you tell us the facts about these hundreds of double blind tests you conducted?
To start with, why not focus on a single one of the double blind tests:
1. Where was the test conducted?
2. Who was the proctor?
3. What was the protocal of this double blind dowsing test?
4. What was the object of the double blind test? A gold item? a silver item? sonething else?
5. Was the operator aware of any results before the test was fully completed?
6. What were the results?

Best wishes,
J_P
My hat is standing by, in case you actually get a sensible response. :lol:
Now where's the salt?...

[Fred]

Yes - but then it will stop "working".
From what I can see in your diagram, it depends on the antenna being allowed to move. The PD is something else. It does not depend on the ideomotor effect.
Tecnhically, by coupling, the coils could still be giving signals,in a similar way the big aluminium coil does in others diagrams esteban posted.The rods here are just antennas.

[Theseus]

:nono: :nono:
Remember the Forum rules:
Be polite. Name calling will get you banned quickly.
Be factual. If you make an extraordinary claim, be prepared to get challenged.

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Dowsing is known to be a "trick of the mind", and has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, except to those whose living depends upon it ... aka the wallet-miners.


:lol: "WHAT DOESN'T WORK, CANNOT BE MADE TO WORK!" :lol:


In the past, Dell has had a lot of trouble remembering forum rules, or even what he has posted just a day or two ago. He especially gets irate (and forgetful) if his livelihood is threatened.

[Geo]

Yes - it may appear to you that the dowsing rods are working, but it is a "trick of the mind".
If you take the time to set up a double-blind test, you will find that the effect disappears.




Hi Qiaozhi.
I can't understand why is trick of the mind???
Yesterday afternoon i received a signal with my L Rods at my farm. I dig it (last time i spend my time at farm so it is very often and easy for me to dowse or to dig) and i found a piece of copper about 4 cm. i received the signal from 20m distance and from all the directions.
So were is the trick of the mind ?? Why to do a double-blind test ???
Of course there are times that i take signal, but i find nothing. If we stay at the times where we find any object (small or big, gold or iron), i think that it is time to study the phenomenon.

my regards:)

[Qiaozhi]

Hi Qiaozhi.
I can't understand why is trick of the mind???
Yesterday afternoon i received a signal with my L Rods at my farm. I dig it (last time i spend my time at farm so it is very often and easy for me to dowse or to dig) and i found a piece of copper about 4 cm. i received the signal from 20m distance and from all the directions.
So were is the trick of the mind ?? Why to do a double-blind test ???
Of course there are times that i take signal, but i find nothing. If we stay at the times where we find any object (small or big, gold or iron), i think that it is time to study the phenomenon.

my regards:)
You have answered your own question:


Yesterday afternoon i received a signal with my L Rods at my farm ... and i found a piece of copper about 4 cm.
... there are times that i take signal, but i find nothing.

If you record all the times you receive a "signal", and then write down the result, you will find that it is the same result as guessing. Dowsing is quite compelling because it is easy to deceive yourself that the movement of the rods is due to an external influence, when in fact it is caused by the ideomotor effect. This effect is produced from the unconscious mind. When you combine this with selective memory, it then becomes a trick of the mind. Try a double-blind test, and the "effect" will go away. It's only an illusion.

[Geo]

You have answered your own question:


Yesterday afternoon i received a signal with my L Rods at my farm ... and i found a piece of copper about 4 cm.
... there are times that i take signal, but i find nothing.
If you record all the times you receive a "signal", and then write down the result, you will find that it is the same result as guessing. Dowsing is quite compelling because it is easy to deceive yourself that the movement of the rods is due to an external influence, when in fact it is caused by the ideomotor effect. This effect is produced from the unconscious mind. When you combine this with selective memory, it then becomes a trick of the mind. Try a double-blind test, and the "effect" will go away. It's only an illusion.


So the copper that i found is a product from the unconscious mind ??
Coins that i have found are a product from the unconscious mind ????
The only that i know is that i take the L Rods and i find coins etc. I have found more coins with the rods than with metal detectors.
I have not problem if the coins that i found are from dowsing method or from unconscious mind. Please find a method so the unconscious mind to help us for finding coins treasures etc without the need of metal detectors.

[Esteban]

A friend mark a site from 200 m, but in the site normal detectors don't show signals. The persons dig and found 4 big French silver coins of 1835 at 2.30 meters. So, sometimes you don't found because is at high depth.

[Geo]

A friend mark a site from 200 m, but in the site normal detectors don't show signals. The persons dig and found 4 big French silver coins of 1835 at 2.30 meters. So, sometimes you don't found because is at high depth.


I absolutely agree. Simply sometimes I am more relaxed in my answers, because I want is given attention in other point.
Regards:)

[hung]

Hi Okantex!

Don't waste your time with Ozzy... The only thing here that trully does not work is himself!:lol:

[Esteban]

Of course, you'll mantain some attitude and have practice with it. I see a man who almost never fails and the method is some complex, but is between 2 persons. Also I found with it, but don't know why... but better is inside a motor wich produce some vibrations in hand, this help very much.

[hung]

Geo, maybe you need to double check with your ICONOS or your own electronic LRL.
Before the MIDAS, I and my team always had the Rangertell point a direction as a first detector. Then after sometime, the PDC, FG, etc started to react until we could get to the target.

This aproach with your dowsing rods would be useful for you to start to isolate only gold.
Best regards.

[hung]

Of course, you'll mantain some attitude and have practice with it. I see a man who almost never fails and the method is some complex, but is between 2 persons. Also I found with it, but don't know why... but better is inside a motor wich produce some vibrations in hand, this help very much.

You can use LEDs also.
I beieve Knouzm dowsing devices all have LEDs.

[Esteban]

You can use LEDs also.
I beieve Knouzm dowsing devices all have LEDs.
No, vibration is for muscle, leds no.

[Qiaozhi]

So the copper that i found is a product from the unconscious mind ??
Coins that i have found are a product from the unconscious mind ????
The only that i know is that i take the L Rods and i find coins etc. I have found more coins with the rods than with metal detectors.
I have not problem if the coins that i found are from dowsing method or from unconscious mind. Please find a method so the unconscious mind to help us for finding coins treasures etc without the need of metal detectors.
If you want to use rods, guessing, or whatever to find treasure ... and it seems to be working for you ... then use it.

But. if you want to understand what's really happening, perform a double-blind test. Of course, if you're like Hung, you can continue with your head in the sand and refuse to know the sad truth.

Whatever you decide, it's up to you. ;)

[Qiaozhi]

You can use LEDs also.
I beieve Knouzm dowsing devices all have LEDs.
http://knouzm.net/content/view/333/98/lang,en/

Hmmm ... this looks like some familiar wallet-mining.

[Max]

http://knouzm.net/content/view/333/98/lang,en/

Hmmm ... this looks like some familiar wallet-mining.

new label... KM5000! :lol:

What an effort I say....:D

What to expect from people that love carnival ?

Just new mask for same stuff.. :rolleyes:

Kind regads,
Max

[Geo]

If you want to use rods, guessing, or whatever to find treasure ... and it seems to be working for you ... then use it.

But. if you want to understand what's really happening, perform a double-blind test. Of course, if you're like Hung, you can continue with your head in the sand and refuse to know the sad truth.

Whatever you decide, it's up to you. ;)


I believe that you did not understand what I mean. With the rods, i and a lot of other we find easily, difference burried objects. Most of them are rust objects. I do not believe where rods indicate to me, and I find some object, that all they are accidental. For this I would want is even studied this phenomenon, for the rusting objects.
If the science still do not discover, with who way it functions Dowsing, it not means that it is not in effect Dowsing. And naturally, we did not deal with this ??????

[Geo]

If you want to use rods, guessing, or whatever to find treasure ... and it seems to be working for you ... then use it.

But. if you want to understand what's really happening, perform a double-blind test. Of course, if you're like Hung, you can continue with your head in the sand and refuse to know the sad truth.

Whatever you decide, it's up to you. ;)


Yesterday i located with rods a place at my farm. I took my DP and i checked it. Really was a object . I dig it and i found a rust bolt.
How L Rods located this bolt!!!

[ivconic]

http://knouzm.net/content/view/333/98/lang,en/

Hmmm ... this looks like some familiar wallet-mining.


Wow! Is it new Mineoro or just illegal copy?
I also was thinking to ask some carpenter to make me serie of simillar enclosures. Later to paint and inside to put Zahori. Of course to add more electronic gadgets inside. Battery check, voltage monitor, couple of ferrtie rods (dont know what functions those would have - but sure would look dramatic and hi pro!), few telescopic antennas, one calculator (preferably made in China), one buzzer, one speaker and of course - one vibra motor from some cell phone, of course one compass! So..at the end to wire up whole thing. Put some sticky labels over and sell by very hot prices here. Of course to claim it was imported product - not homemade!
So...i was thinking that seriously. But...than i remembered that there is no luck in cheating people. Better not having money than to get rich on somebody's else misery.
So i gave up...

[Qiaozhi]

Yesterday i located with rods a place at my farm. I took my DP and i checked it. Really was a object . I dig it and i found a rust bolt.
How L Rods located this bolt!!!
The simple answer is that the rods did not detect the bolt.

Instead of just using the rods, try this:
Go to a field and stand in a random location. Throw a dice, If it's a 6 then dig a deep hole and look for any metallic objects. You can use a metal detector to do the pinpointing. If it's not a 6, then take one step in any direction, and again throw the dice. Only dig if it shows a 6. Record how many objects you find and how many empty holes you dig.

Then go out and use the rods, and again record how many objects you find and how many empty holes you dig. If you spend a full day doing both activities, in order to get some statistically significant results, you will find that there is no difference between the two.

Note that this is not a double-blind test, and is open to human error. Particularly as the person performing the test can unconsciously choose a productive area for the rods, and an unproductive area for the dice, based on visual clues.

I know that the way the rods twitch is quite compelling, but believe me it's a trick of the mind. Also, if you've never tried using a ouija board, then you should. As that's something that's even more compelling. No wonder the Victorians were so obsessed with psychic phenomenon. However, this is also s trick of the mind, and guess what? ... it's caused by the same ideomotor effect, but is greatly amplified by there being more than one person involved.

[Fred]

So...i was thinking that seriously. But...than i remembered that there is no luck in cheating people.
I am not so sure about this when i look around me .But as you say it is better to feel well in his mind than rich and corrupt.

... it's caused by the same ideomotor effect, but is greatly amplified by there being more than one person involved.

Yes Geo, unless you make a double blind test or equivalent, you can´t get true results. Of course if it works for you it´s fine, but if you want to understand what happens, you should do it.
If it really works double blind test will not destoy it anyway,so why not to perform it? And this is true for Dell too.

[Theseus]

The simple answer is that the rods did not detect the bolt.

Instead of just using the rods, try this:
Go to a field and stand in a random location. Throw a dice, If it's a 6 then dig a deep hole and look for any metallic objects. You can use a metal detector to do the pinpointing. If it's not a 6, then take one step in any direction, and again throw the dice. Only dig if it shows a 6. Record how many objects you find and how many empty holes you dig.

Then go out and use the rods, and again record how many objects you find and how many empty holes you dig. If you spend a full day doing both activities, in order to get some statistically significant results, you will find that there is no difference between the two.

Exactly, that is what you will find. Also, if you really want to experience the truth about what is happening; leave the metal detector at home. Dig only where the rods indicate a target and do not double check the spot with your metal detector. If you do this many times, in an area that could have some viable targets in it, eventually you will dig down and find something that could be considered a target. However, if you keep track of the totally empty holes dug and compare those to where you may have found a target - you will once again come up with pure Chance Results. That is, you could have found the same number of targets just by guessing where to dig next. ;)

Sorry, but that's truth of the matter, and any other concocted interpretation is strictly as was already stated; ...a trick of the mind.

[Qiaozhi]

If it really works double blind test will not destoy it anyway,so why not to perform it? And this is true for Dell too.
According to Dell, he has already performed 100s of double-blind tests which conclusively prove that dowsing works. Unfortunately his selective memory has managed to erase all the evidence. Shame... :razz:

[Geo]

The simple answer is that the rods did not detect the bolt.

Instead of just using the rods, try this:
Go to a field and stand in a random location. Throw a dice, If it's a 6 then dig a deep hole and look for any metallic objects. You can use a metal detector to do the pinpointing. If it's not a 6, then take one step in any direction, and again throw the dice. Only dig if it shows a 6. Record how many objects you find and how many empty holes you dig.

Then go out and use the rods, and again record how many objects you find and how many empty holes you dig. If you spend a full day doing both activities, in order to get some statistically significant results, you will find that there is no difference between the two.

Note that this is not a double-blind test, and is open to human error. Particularly as the person performing the test can unconsciously choose a productive area for the rods, and an unproductive area for the dice, based on visual clues.

I know that the way the rods twitch is quite compelling, but believe me it's a trick of the mind. Also, if you've never tried using a ouija board, then you should. As that's something that's even more compelling. No wonder the Victorians were so obsessed with psychic phenomenon. However, this is also s trick of the mind, and guess what? ... it's caused by the same ideomotor effect, but is greatly amplified by there being more than one person involved.


Hahahaha.... Quaozhi i stop here to speak about dowsing with you. Sorry.... If one time you will come to greece, please call me to meet you, and you will see things that never will forget. You will see my friend with L rods to locate exactly coins (only copper or silver, no gold) from 1 or 2 Km away. You will see him to dig and to take out the coins WITHOUT metal detector for pinpoint. But the problem is what you will say later....
Anyway you have my regards:):)

[Qiaozhi]

Hahahaha.... Quaozhi i stop here to speak about dowsing with you. Sorry.... If one time you will come to greece, please call me to meet you, and you will see things that never will forget. You will see my friend with L rods to locate exactly coins (only copper or silver, no gold) from 1 or 2 Km away. You will see him to dig and to take out the coins WITHOUT metal detector for pinpoint. But the problem is what you will say later....
Anyway you have my regards:):)
Like Ivconic said earlier ... we can still be friends ... skeptics and believers.:) You are correct. I would not believe detecting a coin from 1 or 2Km away with L rods. :nono:

In a world where people still believe that studying the positions of the stars will predict their future, wearing a magnetic bracelet on your wrist will ward off arthritis and rheumatism, and taking "medicine" (that's been diluted so many times that not one single molecule of the original remains) will still act as a cure ... there is no hope. So, swig a homeopathic drink, pop on your bracelet, consult your star map to see if you'll find treasure today, then out the door with your trusty L rods. Let's go get those coins off there in the distance. I can feel the rods twitching already! :lol:

[Fred]

Actually all those things does work, but not the way claimed by their inventors - and maybe not with everyone: you have to believe in them.
This is where resides the subtility of this matter.

[Qiaozhi]

Actually all those things does work, but not the way claimed by their inventors - and maybe not with everyone: you have to believe in them.
This is where resides the subtility of this matter.
OK - but let's define what you mean by work:


Astrology - complete bunkum - but believing it could modify the way you approach your day. In this way it could have an effect, but it's still mystical nonsense.
Magnetic bracelets - placebo effect can give some relief from pain. i.e. it's really down to the individual believing that it works. Not a bad thing.
Homeopathy - again the placebo effect. As long as you take this stuff alongside your traditional medicine, that's fine. But as soon as you start to believe that the alternative medicine provided the cure, and next time you dispense with the working medicine, that's the danger.

It's like the L rod nonsense. If you believe it works for you, then use it. No-one will convince you otherwise, unless you really want to know the truth.

[Fred]

OK - but let's define what you mean by work:


Astrology - complete bunkum - but believing it could modify the way you approach your day. In this way it could have an effect, but it's still mystical nonsense.
Magnetic bracelets - placebo effect can give some relief from pain. i.e. it's really down to the individual believing that it works. Not a bad thing.
Homeopathy - again the placebo effect. As long as you take this stuff alongside your traditional medicine, that's fine. But as soon as you start to believe that the alternative medicine provided the cure, and next time you dispense with the working medicine, that's the danger.

It's like the L rod nonsense. If you believe it works for you, then use it. No-one will convince you otherwise, unless you really want to know the truth.
Exactly! This is what i meant .
(I give more power of the mind over health than you seems to do, but that´s another story :) )

[Max]

"But the problem is what you will say later..."

BTW... I saw similar stuff... one person using rods and "detecting" stuff like this (screws, bolts, nuts, horseshoes etc most of stuff from farm machinery... big stuff also), all rusted.

But also this time the person used a conventional MD (a classic3) for pinpointing... so I was figuring out that it was coincidence and found that just cause used then the MD...

Anyway... I see clearly when rods swing/cross... but cannot say about... I tested rods myself with no crossing... I don't know about.

I cannot say it was simply the MD that found stuff... I say that cause after you see 6-7 times the guy use rods then spot target in a 50cmx50cm area with MD in open searchfield (wide farm soil) you're surprised at the end... start think that stuff works for real.

I don't know... maybe works for some people. For some others is just ideomotor !? Who can say for sure ?

Double blind tests maybe...

Kind regards,
Max

[Qiaozhi]

Exactly! This is what i meant .
(I give more power of the mind over health than you seems to do, but that´s another story :) )

On the contrary. Mind over health definitely works .... the so-called placebo effect. It's mind over matter that I have a problem with. ;)

I don't know... maybe works for some people. For some others is just ideomotor !? Who can say for sure ?

Double blind tests maybe...
It's because of the subjective nature of the tests you've described that double blind testing is a necessity. It's the only way to remove the human element.

[humhum]

Hi to all , I use 12.5Khz for nonferius metal and this is very good frequency for gold and etc.

[Dell Winders]

On the contrary. Mind over health definitely works .... the so-called placebo effect. It's mind over matter that I have a problem with

Mind over matter? Where? Are you making this stuff as you go along, or just totally confused by your own logic? Dell

[Dell Winders]

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,231148.0.html

Here is an example of MENTAL Discrimination thru Dowsing.

Does Diamond, generate a detectable "field"?
Absolutely!

Can Diamond be discriminated to mechanically with a traceable Signal line with the aid of Frequency Discrimination {MFD) ?
Absolutely! The chemical Element is "carbon", and a proper modification of the frequency will exclude Coal, Charcoal, and Hydro-Carbons.

Can Diamond be Discriminated to with the physics employed in Harmonic Induction.
Absolutely! It happens continually in nature, and it is a part of the Physics of Earth science. Dell

[J_Player]

Hi Dell,

While you are teaching us about science, can you spare a moment to answer the questions I asked above?

Can you tell us the facts about the hundreds of double blind tests you conducted?
To start with, let's focus on a single one of the tests you conducted.
Pick out any one of your hundreds of double blind you want to use for an example:
1. Where was the test conducted?
2. Who was the proctor?
3. What was the protocal of this double blind dowsing test?
4. What was the object of the double blind test? A gold item? a silver item? something else?
5. Was the operator aware of any results before the test was fully completed?
6. What were the results?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Qiaozhi]

Mind over matter? Where? Are you making this stuff as you go along, or just totally confused by your own logic? Dell
No ... just referring to your twisted pseudo-scientific explanations, like the one below:

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,231148.0.html

Here is an example of MENTAL Discrimination thru Dowsing.

Does Diamond, generate a detectable "field"?
Absolutely!
Complete rubbish! Where on Earth did you get that idea from?

Can Diamond be discriminated to mechanically with a traceable Signal line with the aid of Frequency Discrimination {MFD) ?
Absolutely! The chemical Element is "carbon", and a proper modification of the frequency will exclude Coal, Charcoal, and Hydro-Carbons.
Ahhh ... I suppose you're referring to the non-existent signal line. An idea dreamed up to explain why the rods twitch, when we all know the real reason.

Can Diamond be Discriminated to with the physics employed in Harmonic Induction.
Absolutely! It happens continually in nature, and it is a part of the Physics of Earth science. Dell
What physics is this? Presumably you mean wish-science physics. :lol:

:) "WHAT DOESN'T WORK, CANNOT BE MADE TO WORK." :)

[Dell Winders]

opps! Thats a typo error. Replace the word "generate", with the word "concentrate". Dell

[Theseus]

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,231148.0.html

Here is an example of MENTAL Discrimination thru Dowsing.

Does Diamond, generate a detectable "field"?
Absolutely!

Absolutely NOT!!! is the truth of the matter. Please site a validated scientific reference to support your statement! Without a reference, your baseless assertion must be relegated to the category of "wish science" and viewed as another feeble attempt to backdoor-advertise your own scam dowsing contraptions.

Can Diamond be discriminated to mechanically with a traceable Signal line with the aid of Frequency Discrimination {MFD) ?
Absolutely! The chemical Element is "carbon", and a proper modification of the frequency will exclude Coal, Charcoal, and Hydro-Carbons.Absolutely NOT!!! is the truth of the matter. Please site a validated scientific reference to support your statement! Without a reference, your baseless assertion must be relegated to the category of "wish science" and viewed as another feeble attempt to backdoor-advertise your own scam dowsing contraptions. Further, so-called "signal lines" are a figment of your imagination, right along with the term molecular frequency discrimination.

Can Diamond be Discriminated to with the physics employed in Harmonic Induction.
Absolutely! It happens continually in nature, and it is a part of the Physics of Earth science. DellAbsolutely NOT!!! is the truth of the matter. Please site a validated scientific reference to support your statement! Without a reference, your baseless assertion must be relegated to the category of "wish science" and viewed as another feeble attempt to backdoor-advertise your own scam dowsing contraptions. In the real world, there is no such thing as harmonic induction as you explain it; it does not happen continually in nature and your reference to Physics of Earth Science is nothing more than your own brand of twisted pseudo science, explained in your own convoluted way to suit your own marketing agenda.

None of your pseudo (or wish) science statements are fooling anyone who possess even a grade-school science background. This leaves a very small faction of individuals who are perhaps less educated and more gullible than yourself for you to prey on.

[Fred]

Can lead be changed into gold ?absolutely!
Can a piece of PVC tube be sold $1000? absolutely!
Can i smell BS 5000km away? Absolutely!
you see, nothing is impossible.

[Qiaozhi]

Can lead be changed into gold ?absolutely!
Can a piece of PVC tube be sold $1000? absolutely!
Can i smell BS 5000km away? Absolutely!
you see, nothing is impossible.
Absolutely! :lol:

:) "WHAT DOESN'T WORK, CANNOT BE MADE TO WORK." :)

[Max]

So the rods don't work as claimed !? :lol:

Well... I saw some people find 50cmx50cm area with target... from far, more than 30meters also.... in open field, few metal buried...

Then use conventional MD to pinpoint.

In one of these places I run one of my old vlfs and found very few metal stuff... they use rods and locate rusted stuff! unbelivable!

I don't know about... maybe something exist for real , tested myself and found no usefulness in rods... but in their hands things are different.

But, sure, don't make any double blind test...:rolleyes:

Kind regards,
Max

[Qiaozhi]

So the rods don't work as claimed !? :lol:

Well... I saw some people find 50cmx50cm area with target... from far, more than 30meters also.... in open field, few metal buried...

Then use conventional MD to pinpoint.

In one of these places I run one of my old vlfs and found very few metal stuff... they use rods and locate rusted stuff! unbelivable!

I don't know about... maybe something exist for real , tested myself and found no usefulness in rods... but in their hands things are different.

But, sure, don't make any double blind test...:rolleyes:

Kind regards,
Max
Careful ... otherwise you'll soon start believing that a calculator glued on a plastic box on top of a swivel handle can find gold. :lol:

[hung]

http://knouzm.net/content/view/333/98/lang,en/

Hmmm ... this looks like some familiar wallet-mining.

Naaah.. That one is as old as your grandma.

This one here is the latest state of the art...

[Dell Winders]

MADE IN USA?

[Qiaozhi]

MADE IN USA?
No - made in fairyland. :razz:

[hung]

MADE IN USA?



Yes Dell. Knouzm has engineers and inventors from different countries working for them in the development of LRLs.
Some are 'made' in USA, Argentina, Mexico, etc.
It seems they also reverse engineer some original devices, understand the principles involved and enhance them to a new device.

At least they seem to reverse engineer LRLs better than the skepthics here, don't you think?:lol::lol::lol:

[Theseus]

Yes Dell. Knouzm has engineers and inventors from different countries working for them in the development of LRLs.
Some are 'made' in USA, Argentina, Mexico, etc.
It seems they also reverse engineer some original devices, understand the principles involved and enhance them to a new device.

At least they seem to reverse engineer LRLs better than the skepthics here, don't you think?:lol::lol::lol:

To reverse-engineer something there would first have to be a valid engineering principle to study, and second, the end product of the reverse-engineering would usually be something that would be worth the effort.

The product you make reference to sadly fails on both counts. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

....let the debunkering begin whenever you are ready :)

[Qiaozhi]

"Should exist injustice and untruths towards working LRLs, I'll show up to debunker the big mouths"
Was that the start of the debunkering? :shrug:

We are all waiting...

[Dell Winders]

Hung, It says the KM 5000 is made in the USA? Is it manufactured by Mineoro, for Knozum, or is it a reverse engineered copy cat made in the USA?

According to Carl, these types of products are never designed, or manufactured by Electronic engineers, and Carl, or this forum does not name, or attack individuals of his own Profession. Electronics people have been copying and marketing my Frequency Discrimination concept since 1987, using their electronic degrees to justify high prices to Rip off trusting consumers.

This Tech forum is used as a cover up, to draw attention away from Electronics people profiteering from fraudulent, and mis-leading advertising of their products and directed toward those of us who try to provide the truth.

Get real folks! If a FD product uses a pair of Rods, and is retail priced more than $1,000, and it is manufactured by an Electronic Engineer, or tech, don't even consider it. You are going to get ripped off. Run! Dell

[Max]

Yes Dell. Knouzm has engineers and inventors from different countries working for them in the development of LRLs.
Some are 'made' in USA, Argentina, Mexico, etc.
It seems they also reverse engineer some original devices, understand the principles involved and enhance them to a new device.

At least they seem to reverse engineer LRLs better than the skepthics here, don't you think?:lol::lol::lol:

Not Paraguay too ? :lol:

[Qiaozhi]

According to Carl, these types of products are never designed, or manufactured by Electronic engineers, and Carl, or this forum does not name, or attack individuals of his own Profession. Electronics people have been copying and marketing my Frequency Discrimination concept since 1987, using their electronic degrees to justify high prices to Rip off trusting consumers.

This Tech forum is used as a cover up, to draw attention away from Electronics people profiteering from fraudulent, and mis-leading advertising of their products and directed toward those of us who try to provide the truth.
Your attempts at mis-direction are extremely poor to say the least. :frown:
Some might even say "pathetic".

If you believe for one minute that anyone subscribes to your insinuations, about this forum operating as a cover-up for electronic engineers acting as wallet-miners, then you are sadly mistaken, misguided, or both. In reality, no-one is copying your non-working hot-glued contraptions, or selling them at a rip-off price. Your accusations are a joke. :lol:

Get real folks! If a FD product uses a pair of Rods, and is retail priced more than $1,000, and it is manufactured by an Electronic Engineer, or tech, don't even consider it. You are going to get ripped off. Run! Dell
In other words ... you can get ripped off for less by going directly to Dell.
Or did I interpret that incorrectly? :razz:

:) "WHAT DOESN'T WORK, CANNOT BE MADE TO WORK." :)

[Dell Winders]

Your attempts at mis-direction are extremely poor to say the least.
Some might even say "pathetic".

If you believe for one minute that anyone subscribes to your insinuations, about this forum operating as a cover-up for electronic engineers acting as wallet-miners, then you are sadly mistaken, misguided, or both. In reality, no-one is copying your non-working hot-glued contraptions, or selling them at a rip-off price. Your accusations are a joke.

Pathetic is your acts of denial. You sound just like Carl.

Almost all the people who are manufacturing LRL & MFD, are electronics people. There are at least 30 of their products on the market, that use L-Rods, and being sold as technology at rip-off prices.

Give yourself a reality check. Show me where on this forum you are naming names, products, and attacking fellow electronics people?

You make no effort to protect consumers from people of your own profession. You are covering up for them. You are running a skeptic scam.

I have never used hot glue in any product I build. That's a fact, so you are also a liar. Dell

[Qiaozhi]

Pathetic is your acts of denial. You sound just like Carl.

Almost all the people who are manufacturing LRL & MFD, are electronics people. There are at least 30 of their products on the market, that use L-Rods, and being sold as technology at rip-off prices.

Give yourself a reality check. Show me where on this forum you are naming names, products, and attacking fellow electronics people?
Do any of these manufacturer's come here and partake in accusations and name calling?
Ranger Tell tried once, but has wisely stayed away since his last kicking.

You make no effort to protect consumers from people of your own profession. You are covering up for them. You are running a skeptic scam.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
As I said previously, your attempts at mis-direction are poor to say the least. No-one is taking you seriously ..... and never will.

I have never used hot glue in any product I build. That's a fact, so you are also a liar. Dell
OK - what's this then?

The VR-800 was once one of Dell System's top models. Although Dell Winders no longer sells it (he does have other LRLs, though), the VR-series is still made by Vernon Rose and sold by Kellyco.

As they say, "Put that in your pipe and smoke it".

[Theseus]

Do any of these manufacturer's come here and partake in accusations and name calling?
Ranger Tell tried once, but has wisely stayed away since his last kicking.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
As I said previously, your attempts at mis-direction are poor to say the least. No-one is taking you seriously ..... and never will.


OK - what's this then?

The VR-800 was once one of Dell System's top models. Although Dell Winders no longer sells it (he does have other LRLs, though), the VR-series is still made by Vernon Rose and sold by Kellyco.

As they say, "Put that in your pipe and smoke it".

Dell has always had a very short memory, especially when it comes to remembering what he posted just a few hours in the past. And his hot-glue gun isn't even cooled off yet, and already he is denying he ever manufactured, or had manufactured, a contraption that was filled with hot-glue and do-nothing parts. Maybe the pictures you just posted will jog his failing memory. But I doubt it, because in the past if he can't remember, he just makes up a whole new batch of BS in the hope that you will forget what the last batch was all about. :D

[Dell Winders]

Again, I had nothing to do with the design or manufacture of the product you show in your photos, nor was it ever manufactured for me. I don't take credit for someone else work.

You are still lieing and you can't show where I ever used hot glue in any product that I ever built. I don't have any need to use hot glue in my products.

Your continued lies about me are making it obvious you are running a scam to divert attention away from electronics people manufacturing these products and ripping off consumers with high prices to justify their degrees.

You show yourself as examples of "Pretend" Science at it's worst. Dell

[Fred]

Again, I had nothing to do with the design or manufacture of the product you show in your photos, nor was it ever manufactured for me. I don't take credit for someone else work.
You are responsible for what you sell, even if manufactured by someone else.
And i wouldn´t call this "taking credit" :lol:

Your continued lies about me are making it obvious you are running a scam to divert attention away from electronics people manufacturing these products and ripping off consumers with high prices to justify their degrees.Dell
REAL electronic people would never sell products build like this to rip off people : No EE could make such a lousy job and expect people to believe such a nonsense circuit will ever work.
I find ridiculous that YOU try to sell the crap saying the EE are doing it.
Sounds like a desesperate and patethic counter attack.

[Qiaozhi]

Again, I had nothing to do with the design or manufacture of the product you show in your photos, nor was it ever manufactured for me. I don't take credit for someone else work.
In other words ... you are denying that this is true ->

Mr. Winders primary response is that he was merely a dealer for another party who manufactured the device, and blamed the other party for all of the advertising claims that were shown to be false. I cannot confirm this because I don't have contact information for the other person - I have asked Mr. Winders and others for a phone number but have been refused. However, in reviewing everything I have, I find only the name "Dell Systems" on the components, the manuals, and the advertisements. In my opinion, it is prudent for anyone who labels something as their own to thoroughly understand what it is and does, and to make sure all claims are factual. Mr. Winders should take full responsibility for the products he sold under his label.


In case your selective memory is still at work, you can see the original report here -> http://www.geotech1.com/cgi-bin/pages/common/index.pl?page=lrl&file=reports/vr800/addendum.dat
and also the original hot-glue pictures here -> http://www.geotech1.com/cgi-bin/pages/common/index.pl?page=lrl&file=reports/vr800/index.dat

As you can clearly see (even without a finally tuned dowsing ideomotor response :razz:) the front panel is marked "DELL". Or are you claiming that this was sold by Dell Computers? :lol:

You are still lieing and you can't show where I ever used hot glue in any product that I ever built. I don't have any need to use hot glue in my products.
The facts say otherwise, and the photos speak for themselves.

Your continued lies about me are making it obvious you are running a scam to divert attention away from electronics people manufacturing these products and ripping off consumers with high prices to justify their degrees.
Misdirection is not your forte. I would advise quitting now before the hole gets any bigger.

You show yourself as examples of "Pretend" Science at it's worst. Dell
For someone who has wallowed in pseudo-scientific claptrap, for more years than anyone cares to remember, that is a sad statement. Again, your attempts at misdirection need some serious work.

You are responsible for what you sell, even if manufactured by someone else.
And i wouldn´t call this "taking credit" :lol:
Dell's hlllbilly education denies him the ability to understand. your statement. He believes that ignorance of the internals of these scam devices renders him immune to the consequences.

REAL electronic people would never sell products build like this to rip off people : No EE could make such a lousy job and expect people to believe such a nonsense circuit will ever work.
I find ridiculous that YOU try to sell the crap saying the EE are doing it.
Sounds like a desesperate and patethic counter attack.
And to make things even more pathetic, Dell actually comes here of his own free will to make these ridiculous statements. Anyone would think we have chased him around the internet in an attempt to discredit his already tarnished reputation. My suspicion is that this is one of the few remaining technical forums where he has not yet been banned.


:) "WHAT DOESN'T WORK, CANNOT BE MADE TO WORK." :)

[J_Player]

Again, I had nothing to do with the design or manufacture of the product you show in your photos, nor was it ever manufactured for me. I don't take credit for someone else work.Oh really....
So you only sold it with your Dell Omnitron label on it to unsuspecting customers?
Were they supposed to believe it is your product because you sold it with your brand name? Or were they supposed to believe it was some evil product made by an EE using hot melt glue?

Give yourself a reality check. Show me where on this forum you are naming names, products, and attacking fellow electronics people?Haven't we told the real story about Dell Winders and his shady dealings with Vernon Rose in this forum? You haven't read the story about selling this junk to your customers with your own Omnitron label on it, that did not even work to find treasure for you?
You want us to believe you never read this? ---> http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=73299

Tell us Dell, Who did design and manufacture the Dell VR 800 Omnitron System II anomaly qualifier?
Didn't you sell non-working junk electronic LRLs designed by an EE.
Wasn't it an EE named Vernon Rose?

Vernon Rose was a TV repairman trained at the Motorola school to repair televisions. When people were becoming interested in long range metal detectors, Vernon Rose made a simple signal generator with a 555 timer and frequency adjustment pots as seen in the photos of the VR-800. There was no power amplifier. A handheld receiver utilizing a coil was carried out in front of where the transmitter was set up with the intent to find a change in received signal when near a treasure. The VR-800 was shown to be a non-working device by Carl's report here: http://geotech1.com/cgi-bin/pages/common/index.pl?page=lrl&file=reports/vr800/index.dat

OK, Dell,
I showed you where Carl and I named names, products, and electronics people.
Now it's your turn:

1. Take a close look at the label on the picture below: Whose trademark do you see on the electronic LRL? Is it the Dell Omnitron label?
2. Isn't it true that you sold the electronic LRL shown in the picture with the Dell V.R. 800 Omnitron label on it?
3. Isn't it true that Vernon Rose designed and built these electronic LRLs that you sold for well over a couple thousand dollars?
4. Isn't it true that I named Vernon Rose as the person who manufactured this electronic junk LRL?
5. Isn't it true that Carl posted a complete expose and report on the electronic LRL designed and built by Vernon Rose?
6. Isn't it outright fraud to sell merchandise with your label on it that you know doesn't work?

It seems that the claims Dell just posted in his post above are all false.
The appearance is that Dell uses "pretend truth" when he makes statements in this forum.
Maybe he pretends that he never lies.

Best wishes.
J_P

[Theseus]

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And to make things even more pathetic, Dell actually comes here of his own free will to make these ridiculous statements. Anyone would think we have chased him around the internet in an attempt to discredit his already tarnished reputation. My suspicion is that this is one of the few remaining technical forums where he has not yet been banned.


:) "WHAT DOESN'T WORK, CANNOT BE MADE TO WORK." :)


Tarnished is putting it mildly, I can think of a few other terms to describe Wallet-miners.

Yes, he comes here and spews his BS by his own choice. I have never understood what his reasoning is, except it amounts to Free Advertising for himself. It would be different if he actually would answer the questions put to him, or if his remarks actually helped his case - but they don't, and never have. He constantly is here; shooting himself in the foot, and then blaming all the others here for his own predicament and the hole that he has dug himself. You would think that just by the mere fact that no other LRL Wallet-miner comes here and carries on the way he does; that he would see the fallacy of his methods - but he obviously does not fall to the obvious.

I'd say this is the ONLY technical forum where he has not been banned, but it's not for lack of trying. ;)

[detectoman]

aqui el unico que puede convencer a los escepticos es esteban, esteban estos incredulos necesitan ver cada video de tus hallazgos, may be they understand
jajaj yo not post i not find any
videos pa que se convenzan urgen ya basta de guacamayeo, ellos aceptaran? no lo se
videos de finds, videos morgan que vean como se saca el coin

[Clondike Clad]

Again, I had nothing to do with the design or manufacture of the product you show in your photos, nor was it ever manufactured for me. I don't take credit for someone else work.

You are still lieing and you can't show where I ever used hot glue in any product that I ever built. I don't have any need to use hot glue in my products.

Your continued lies about me are making it obvious you are running a scam to divert attention away from electronics people manufacturing these products and ripping off consumers with high prices to justify their degrees.

You show yourself as examples of "Pretend" Science at it's worst. Dell

Dell, what is exactly the truth?
1. Did Vernon Rose build his electronic LRLs before your Randi test like you said or not?
2. If you did not use anything made by Vernon Rose to perform the Randi test, exactly what instruments did you use, Dell?
3. Did you sell thousands of dollars worth of VR-800 LRLs made by Vernell Electronics with your Dell Systems (tm) label or not?
4. What exactly were your hidden dealings with Vernon Rose and Vernell Electronics? What is the real reason you had Dell System labels on those Vernell LRLs you sold? Why did you sell them with your label, then refuse to take responsiblilty for the contents inside the box?
5. What proof do you have that would stand up in a court of law to prove Randi lied about you failing his test?
6. Why don't you go back and accept Randi's continued offer to you to claim his $1million? With today's technology, you could have a crowd of witnesses with inexpensive video cameras rolling to prove what really happens in a double blind test.:cool:

[Dell Winders]

You are responsible for what you sell, even if manufactured by someone else.
And i wouldn´t call this "taking credit"

Fred, with that mentality,you would make a good cosmetic salesman. Taking full responsibility for someone else's beauty product and personally guaranteeing every woman who purchased from you would become beautiful.

I was also a Whites, metal detector dealer. They have a Factory Warranty. Vernell, had a factory warranty. I am not responsible for the way White's manufacture their detectors, nor am I responsible for the way Vernell, manufactures their detectors. I am, and do accept full responsibility for the products I build, and the products I sold that I hired an EE to build for me.

In both cases I was a member of the Better Business Bureau, at considerable cost, and Chamber of Commerce, so my customers would have assistance to resolve any grievances they might have about my business practices, or the products I sold. There are none. They also have access to the Florida State attorney's office. Yes, there were several instances when when a product was damaged or broke after the factory warranty expired that I personally paid for the repairs, or replacement, including shipping both ways.

Fred, your complaints are unfounded, and unwarranted.

KLONDIKE, You are rehashing the same old questions that have already been answered. My answers haven't changed.

Regarding the reason for "Dell' on the VR-800 label, I think it is printed T.M. not "tm". You will have to contact Vernon Rose, for an explanation. I cannot speak for him. Just as I had nothing to do with the manufacture, I had nothing to do with the VR-800 label.

Klondike, you were invited to my house to learn for your self. You have no reason for animosity, unless it's just plain meanness.

Again, the accusation that I use hot glue in the products I build is a lie.
The inference that I used a Vernell product in the Randi test is a lie.

You cannot justify lies with repeating asinine questions.

Bottom line: I have asked for years for skeptics to bring forward any legitimate customer with complaints about any products I build, that substanstiate your accusations. You refuse! Why? I can tell you, It's because there are none.

Pathetic are your acts of denial.

Almost all the people who are manufacturing LRL & MFD, are electronics people. There are at least 30 of their products on the market, that use L-Rods, and being sold as technology at rip-off prices.

Give yourself a reality check. Show me where on this forum where you are naming names, products, and attacking fellow electronics people?

You make no effort to protect consumers from people of your own profession. You are covering up for them. You are running a skeptic scam.

I have never used hot glue in any product I build. That's a fact, so you are also a liar.

You people are not interested in fact, or truth, you are nothing more than gossip mongers reveling in your own ignorance. :lol: Dell

[Max]

Do any of these manufacturer's come here and partake in accusations and name calling?
Ranger Tell tried once, but has wisely stayed away since his last kicking.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
As I said previously, your attempts at mis-direction are poor to say the least. No-one is taking you seriously ..... and never will.


OK - what's this then?

The VR-800 was once one of Dell System's top models. Although Dell Winders no longer sells it (he does have other LRLs, though), the VR-series is still made by Vernon Rose and sold by Kellyco.

As they say, "Put that in your pipe and smoke it".

Oh... what a mess of hot melt glue! :lol:

I think that if he'll smoke all that stuff... will need some oxigen then... like this one! :razz:

Better if Dell will buy some ...ehm..."herbs"... I think! :stars:

Hopefully will wrote less BS... and smile from time to time...:D

Kind regards,
Max

[Fred]

Fred, with that mentality,you would make a good cosmetic salesman. Taking full responsibility for someone else's beauty product and personally guaranteeing every woman who purchased from you would become beautiful.
Dell, there is YOUR name on it ! you are not just a reseller, by puting your label you endorse the responsability.
Of course, if what you say is that the DELL stuff that you sold has nothing with you,that the TM has nothing to do with "trade mark" , well say no more we all can understand what you are doing...

I have never used hot glue in any product I build. That's a fact, so you are also a liar.
So what products have you built ?

[Qiaozhi]

I was also a Whites, metal detector dealer. They have a Factory Warranty. Vernell, had a factory warranty. I am not responsible for the way White's manufacture their detectors, nor am I responsible for the way Vernell, manufactures their detectors. I am, and do accept full responsibility for the products I build, and the products I sold that I hired an EE to build for me.
But did you remove the Whites logo and replace it with a Dell label?
I doubt it.

KLONDIKE, You are rehashing the same old questions that have already been answered. My answers haven't changed.
Correction - your non-answers haven't changed.
When will you answer the questions asked by JP and CC?

Regarding the reason for "Dell' on the VR-800 label, I think it is printed T.M. not "tm". You will have to contact Vernon Rose, for an explanation. I cannot speak for him. Just as I had nothing to do with the manufacture, I had nothing to do with the VR-800 label.
That's probably the worst excuse you have ever given! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
What "person" would sell a product that has been re-branded with their own name, and then be unable to explain the meaning of T.M.
Perhaps we should throw this open to the forum ... answers on a postcard please. :rolleyes:

Again, the accusation that I use hot glue in the products I build is a lie.
How many more pictures do we need to post showing enclosures labelled with the Dell logo and filled with hot glue?

You cannot justify lies with repeating asinine questions.
Supply satisfactory answers, and the questions will cease.

Pathetic are your acts of denial.
Yoda speak? :razz:

Almost all the people who are manufacturing LRL & MFD, are electronics people. There are at least 30 of their products on the market, that use L-Rods, and being sold as technology at rip-off prices.

Give yourself a reality check. Show me where on this forum where you are naming names, products, and attacking fellow electronics people?
Right here!
Any product that relies on L-rods is crap and a scam. Period.
Is that good enough?

You make no effort to protect consumers from people of your own profession. You are covering up for them. You are running a skeptic scam.
Keep practicing the mis-direction, it still needs a lot of work. :razz:

I have never used hot glue in any product I build. That's a fact, so you are also a liar.
Selective memory in a single post! ..... repetition.

You people are not interested in fact, or truth, you are nothing more than gossip mongers reveling in your own ignorance. :lol: Dell
We are only interested in the truth, and the answers to JP's and CC's questions, not name calling.


:) "WHAT DOESN'T WORK, CANNOT BE MADE TO WORK." :)

[Max]

voices from inside...

Does Dell hear the voices ? :lol:

That will explain many things...:rolleyes:

Kind regards,
Max

[J_Player]

Regarding the reason for "Dell' on the VR-800 label, I think it is printed T.M. not "tm". You will have to contact Vernon Rose, for an explanation. I cannot speak for him. Just as I had nothing to do with the manufacture, I had nothing to do with the VR-800 label.No Dell,
We do not have to contact Vernon Rose to get information about who sold the electronic LRL marked "Dell T.M. V.R. 800 -- Omnitron System II Anomaly Qualifier". We already know who sold it. The customer who bought the merchandise marked with your brand name (shown below) told us who sold it to him. It was you, Dell Winders.

Now I look at the posts that you answered above. Why didn't you answer my questions?
Am I the only person who posted questions that you do not want the answers known?

Tell us Dell.... Did you sell the electronic LRLs that Vernon Rose built with your Dell Omnitron label on it to unsuspecting customers?
Were they supposed to believe it is your product because you sold it with your brand name on the enclosure? Or were they supposed to believe it was some evil product made by an EE using hot melt glue?

Do you want us to believe you never read this? ---> http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=73299

Tell us Dell, Who did design and manufacture the Dell VR 800 Omnitron System II anomaly qualifier?
Didn't you sell non-working junk electronic LRLs designed by an EE.
Wasn't it an EE named Vernon Rose? Isn't all your complaining about skeptics never naming names and companies just a lie?
Were you also lying when you said you never lie?

OK Dell,
You previously complained that skeptics don't name names, products and electronics people.
But I showed you where Carl and I named names, products, and electronics people.
Now it's your turn:

1. Take a close look at the label on the picture below: Whose trademark do you see on the electronic LRL? Is it the Dell Omnitron label?
2. Isn't it true that you sold the electronic LRL shown in the picture with the Dell V.R. 800 Omnitron label on it?
3. Isn't it true that Vernon Rose designed and built these electronic LRLs that you sold for well over a couple thousand dollars?
4. Isn't it true that I named Vernon Rose as the person who manufactured this electronic junk LRL?
5. Isn't it true that Carl posted a complete expose and report on the electronic LRL designed and built by Vernon Rose?
6. Isn't it outright fraud to sell merchandise with your label on it that you know doesn't work?

It seems that the claims Dell posted in his post above are all false.
The appearance is that Dell uses "pretend truth" when he makes statements in this forum.
Maybe he pretends that he never lies.

Best wishes.
J_P

[Qiaozhi]

Regarding the reason for "Dell' on the VR-800 label, I think it is printed T.M. not "tm". You will have to contact Vernon Rose, for an explanation. I cannot speak for him. Just as I had nothing to do with the manufacture, I had nothing to do with the VR-800 label.
That's probably the worst excuse you have ever given! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
What "person" would sell a product that has been re-branded with their own name, and then be unable to explain the meaning of T.M.
Perhaps we should throw this open to the forum ... answers on a postcard please. :rolleyes:
OK - I'll get the ball rolling ...

Dell T.M. stands for:


Total Make-believe (pseudo-scientific version) :cool:
Total Merde (the French version) :lol:
Transcendental Meditation (trained ideomotor response version, comes complete with wacky baccy) :stars:
Transverse Mode (something Dell once heard an EE discussing, and thought it sounded cool) :cool:
Trade Mark (cannot be that, as Dell claims he had nothing to do with the label) :shocked:
Turing Machine (no chance) :nono:

Any other ideas? (But keep it clean...)

[Fred]

Totally Meanless
True Moneymaker

[Theseus]

Time Machine

Trickery Mostly

Thompson Machinegun

Tracking Meter

Too Much

Tin Man

................ and the winner is!!!!!

Trickery Mostly

[Fred]

Regarding the reason for "Dell' on the VR-800 label, I think it is printed T.M. not "tm". You will have to contact Vernon Rose, for an explanation. I cannot speak for him. Just as I had nothing to do with the manufacture, I had nothing to do with the VR-800 label.
Really i am shocked by what is written above.I always thought that Dell was an ocasional scammer,a poor guy that bend a few brass rods and cut PVC pipe to raise some money so he can buy the real metal detector of his dreams.
But with this i understand he is a professional one, that already took the needed legal precautions BEFORE selling the first units to escape future problems.
Man, that is shocking. :rolleyes:
I am not even sure anymore that he truly believes that the Lrods works.:p

[Qiaozhi]

OK - I'll get the ball rolling ...

Dell T.M. stands for:


Total Make-believe (pseudo-scientific version) :cool:
Total Merde (the French version) :lol:
Transcendental Meditation (trained ideomotor response version, comes complete with wacky baccy) :stars:
Transverse Mode (something Dell once heard an EE discussing, and thought it sounded cool) :cool:
Trade Mark (cannot be that, as Dell claims he had nothing to do with the label) :shocked:
Turing Machine (no chance) :nono:

Any other ideas? (But keep it clean...)

Totally Meanless
True Moneymaker

Time Machine

Trickery Mostly

Thompson Machinegun

Tracking Meter

Too Much

Tin Man

................ and the winner is!!!!!

Trickery Mostly


Well ... I'm very disappointed guys!! :shocked:

The bleeding obvious answer is ..........

Trick of the Mind

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


:) "WHAT DOESN'T WORK, CANNOT BE MADE TO WORK." :)

[Clondike Clad]

Well ... I'm very disappointed guys!! :shocked:

The bleeding obvious answer is ..........

Trick of the Mind

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


:) "WHAT DOESN'T WORK, CANNOT BE MADE TO WORK." :)



T.M.=TAKING MONEY

[Theseus]

I am not even sure anymore that he truly believes that the Lrods works.:p

Are you kidding? Every Wallet-miner scammer knows that what they are selling is nothing more than "guessing" neatly wrapped to look like something else.

That fact was obvious when they put the junk contraptions up for sale, instead of using the stuff themselves - to make a fortune. All their crap works as a treasure finder EXACTLY once; when your money transfers into their bank account. They found treasure, and you got screwed. :shocked:

[Max]

T.M.=TAKING MONEY

or... also... TURDS MANIFACTURING
...

AKA producing BS :lol:

[J_Player]

Really i am shocked by what is written above.I always thought that Dell was an ocasional scammer,a poor guy that bend a few brass rods and cut PVC pipe to raise some money so he can buy the real metal detector of his dreams.
But with this i understand he is a professional one, that already took the needed legal precautions BEFORE selling the first units to escape future problems.
Man, that is shocking. :rolleyes:
I am not even sure anymore that he truly believes that the Lrods works.:pHi Fred,
Dell says "You people are not interested in fact, or truth, you are nothing more than gossip mongers reveling in your own ignorance". Yet he tries to conceal the truth whenever we ask for the facts. Here is Dell's current strategy: Accuse the skeptics of never catching electronic engineers making scam LRLs, and accuse them of only attacking Dell Winders, because he does not use fake electronics in his LRLs. See here what Dell posted as per his current strategy: Get real folks! If a FD product uses a pair of Rods, and is retail priced more than $1,000, and it is manufactured by an Electronic Engineer, or tech, don't even consider it. You are going to get ripped off. Run! DellHowever, Dell does not want you to know he sold electronic LRLs with rods for $3495 USD designed and made by electronics engineers or technicians. Guess who the designer and manufacturer of his Dell Sysems V.R. 800 Omnitron Sysyem II Anomaly Qualifier was? (Hint: V.R. = Vernon Rose).

What are the facts about the Dell Systems V.R. 800 Omnitron LRL you saw in the photos that Dell sold?. If Dell Winders wants you to believe he had nothing to do with the Dell Sysems V.R. 800 Omnitron System II Anomaly Qualifier labeling, don't believe him. When asked about this LRL, Here is what Dell said in the Geotech forum:I added the name "Dell Systems" to "Omnitron" to make the distinction between other manufacturers "Omnitron" and my own.Dell had very much to do with the labeling of the Dell Systems Omnitron LRLs. He said so himself! And Dell had the power to decide to sell them or not. So what do you think he did? Did he sell electronic LRLs with rods for more money than the FD product that only costs $1000?

Hey Dell, I think you sold the Dell Systems V.R. 800 Omnitron model shown for $3495 USD. Do you deny this Dell?
Didn't you say this?: "If a FD product uses a pair of Rods, and is retail priced more than $1,000, and it is manufactured by an Electronic Engineer, or tech, don't even consider it.You are going to get ripped off. Run!"
Should we run from you Dell? is $3495 USD too much to pay for the electronic LRLs you sold, Dell?
I am not even sure anymore that he truly believes that the Lrods works.:pOf course he doesn't! He even said so in the Geotech forum: "...operating conditions deteriorated affecting the reliability of the instrument making it impractical for my use in 1988." From: http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=54041&postcount=22 So Dell knew the Vernon Rose designed LRLs he was selling with his "Dell Systems" label were "impractical" for his own use by 1988, yet he sold them to his customers. Is it any wonder Carl-NC was able to buy a used one for pennies on the dollar from one of Dell's customers?

BTW, Nice of Carl to buy that gizmoe, and take the thing apart to show us what is inside. :rolleyes:

Best wishes,
J_P

[Jim]

And now for some comic relief…

Have ya ever winderd what an LRL salesman looks like when soliciting his product? Well, now we have photographic evidence that they in fact can talk out of the side of their face!

I found this photograph floating around on the internet of Dell Winders, LRL manufacturer/salesperson, enjoying a conversation with what appears to be a captive audience. Nowhere to run…nowhere to hide. The victim’s faces have been blurred to protect the innocent.

YIKES!

[Max]

And now for some comic relief…

Have ya ever winderd what an LRL salesman looks like when soliciting his product? Well, now we have photographic evidence that they in fact can talk out of the side of their face!

I found this photograph floating around on the internet of Dell Winders, LRL manufacturer/salesperson, enjoying a conversation with what appears to be a captive audience. Nowhere to run…nowhere to hide. The victim’s faces have been blurred to protect the innocent.

YIKES!



Hmmmmm.... I see...

seems Gomer... ops Dell standing there... like John Wayne! :lol:

BTW why that color for blurring the faces of innocents there ??? :rolleyes:
Maybe some secret and inconscious reminds to the victims feelings after discovering they bought paint roller handles for thousands dollars ??? :D

Kind regards,
Max

[Max]

but where's Dell ?

Don't see him anymore !? :rolleyes:

Under the sand maybe ??? ;)

Must dig some... must be in the pyle... :D

BTW... asking for proofs that LRL rods work is like seaching for the great wall(s) in the Sahara.... :cool:

Kind regards,
Max

[Theseus]

but where's Dell ?

Don't see him anymore !? :rolleyes:

Under the sand maybe ??? ;)

Kind regards,
Max

His absence is all part of the Duck and Run Technique that is taught at LRL Wallet-miner's School 101.

Whenever it gets too hot in the kitchen, they are taught to Duck and Run. :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[ramhec]

How can comprobe if LRL rods works

Esteban, do you have the diagram of the PCB, i'm interesting to make this project, thank you.
Kind Regards!

[Geo]

Esteban stop to write here many years ago......:(

[ramhec]

Oh :( Thank you, it´s a shame.
Kind Regards!!