One more to prove the concept

[hung]

The concept developed by Rangertell has made school.
I refer to the inductively transmit-receive aproach employing an antenna aligning to the signal lines emitted by the EM field of the objects. In this case, there are two of them.

A german manufacturer is using the same method for quite some time and I just thought it was worth to mention it.

In place of the calculator, another signal generator but with fixed frequencies.

Unlike the RT unit which allows parameters to be keyed in to receive the magnetic response of shape, depth etc. of the target, making it more versatile, the Tomdec unit has only fixed frequencies to locate the targets and it's built more properly in my view as it tends to cancel any ideomotor effect which tends to interfere in the detection when the user is unexperienced.

I just see their frequencies are not the most adequate, but as this device has been around for sometime, maybe they have upgraded them.

Nice reading to all.
http://www.mp-detections.com/Siteanglais/dtipuls/tomdecv4.php4

[Götz von Berlichingen]

A Quote from the Website, taken out of context :
...The scanning system TOMDEC V4 does not search - as metal detectors do - for the metal...OK, i believe this part. :D

hung wrote :
Tomdec unit has only fixed frequencies to locate the targets and it's built more properly in my view as it tends to cancel any ideomotor effect which tends to interfere in the detection when the user is unexperienced.How does it cancel the ideomotor effect ? Its a Dowsing Rod.
Why would the ideomotor effect interfere in the detection ? The only Way to detect something is through ideomotor effect, if the Target Location is known.

One more to prove the concept
Another expensive LRL... thats not Proof.
If one Scammer makes good Money, another Scammer will steal the Idea and do the same.

[Theseus]

Another expensive LRL... thats not Proof.
If one Scammer makes good Money, another Scammer will steal the Idea and do the same.

Exactly!

The box of do-nothing electronics may look a bit different, but this device is CLEARLY an ideomotor response driven dowsing contraption. No need to expend the cost of batteries; just leave the power switch off, and the device will respond just as well with the power on or off.

And, you are right.... if one Wallet-miner can make a few bucks selling a snake oil scam, another Wallet-miner will copy the thing and skim what cash they can from the gullible and technically-challenged. This device may look a little different but it is really a copy of the scam R-T Examiner, the Thomas Electroscope and all the other dowsing rod schemes where the scammer has married do-nothing electronics with an ordinary dowsing rod. Really, not unlike the scams perpetrated by Tim Williams (LRL500) and Dell Winders (Pro-4 Freq. Discm.).

Birds of a feather..... flock together. :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
http://www.freefoto.com/images/01/01/01_01_24---Flock-of-Birds_web.jpg?&k=Flock+of+Birds

[hung]

How does it cancel the ideomotor effect ? Its a Dowsing Rod.
Why would the ideomotor effect interfere in the detection ? The only Way to detect something is through ideomotor effect, if the Target Location is known.


Sorry, but your inferences are wrong and miserably shows you do not understand AT ALL what dowsing is and its related aspects.

The RT Examiner and the TOMDEC are not dowsing, as some people erroneously think they are.
The explanation at Tomdec's site and even in RT's site are correct.
It's up to you to believe it or not.
But first you need studying on the subject to prevent yourself from saying things as you did in the quote.

Regards.

[Qiaozhi]

Sorry, but your inferences are wrong and miserably shows you do not understand AT ALL what dowsing is and its related aspects.

The RT Examiner and the TOMDEC are not dowsing, as some people erroneously think they are.
The explanation at Tomdec's site and even in RT's site are correct.
It's up to you to believe it or not.
But first you need studying on the subject to prevent yourself from saying things as you did in the quote.

Regards.
The website states that the device works by radiasthesis (another word for dowsing). Case closed. :razz:

[hung]

From the site:

The scanning system TOMDEC V4 does not search - as metal detectors do - for the metal,
(e.g. gold or silver) but for the electromagnetic fields from ionic motions (positive or negative charged particles), which build up around metals. The internationally used term for locating such fields is “human radar“ or radiasthesis.

*********
That is, the 'internationally ACCEPTED term' is radiasthesis.
It does not mean it's employed.
It's just an easier term to explain the aproach to the general reader.
In the underlined explanation resides the true elements involved in the detection.
The TOMDEC differs from the Rangertell as it employs batteries. It means it reaches the same goal of locating the signal lines using electronics whereas the RT uses radionics.

Dowsing is a term many times erroneously used to define a concept where often the said term is not found at all.

There are dowsers who can locate a target with the aid of a 'dowsing rod' a 'dowsing pendulum' or no tool at all. Just his mind.

The RT, TOMDEC, Electroscope, etc. and etc. have nothing to do with dowsing except for a moving antenna. Nothing else.

Case have never been so open for all those years.

[Theseus]

The RT Examiner and the TOMDEC (and like contraptions) most ASSUREDLY are dowsing, and do require an ideomotor response from the operator before they will move, indicate or respond.

No amount of postings "saying" otherwise will change that fact. ;)

A leopard cannot change its spots, no matter how many times you call it by some other name. :razz: Sorry!

[Fred]

The TOMDEC differs from the Rangertell as it employs batteries. It means it reaches the same goal of locating the signal lines using electronics whereas the RT uses radionics.
The RT uses batteries too.Or do you mean the calculator glued on top of it is doing nothing ? :D
The RT, TOMDEC, Electroscope, etc. and etc. have nothing to do with dowsing except for a moving antenna. Nothing else.
There is nothing that make move the antenna except the user´s movement, so this must be a dowsing rod.

[hung]

I own (and use) a RT Examiner and can assure you it does not move the antenna by ideomotor.

Ideomotor can indeed be used if the user is not careful enough and will induce falsings in the movement as the device deals with micro currents.

If the calculator is taken off, the device stops working imediately.

If you wish, check my report on the tests I did with the examiner last year. It's somewhere in this forum.

I own this unit for some years now and I KNOW it's not ideomotor that moves the antenna and we all know what it is. It's just that many don't accept it.

Once I asked a famous US dowser who had got one Examiner wheter he thought it was dowsing.
His answer:

'It can be anything, but certainly it's not dowsing'.

[hung]

The RT uses batteries too.

That's correct. If this battery is weak, device becomes erratic and sluggish. Mine has solar cells also.


There is nothing that make move the antenna except the user´s movement, so this must be a dowsing rod.
Wrong.

[Theseus]

I own (and use) a RT Examiner and can assure you it does not move the antenna by ideomotor.

Ideomotor can indeed be used if the user is not careful enough and will induce falsings in the movement as the device deals with micro currents.

If the calculator is taken off, the device stops working imediately.

If you wish, check my report on the tests I did with the examiner last year. It's somewhere in this forum.

I own this unit for some years now and I KNOW it's not ideomotor that moves the antenna and we all know what it is. It's just that many don't accept it.

Once I asked a famous US dowser who had got one Examiner wheter he thought it was dowsing.
His answer:

'It can be anything, but certainly it's not dowsing'.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Maybe if you repeat these affirmations sort of like a zen mantra; over and over and over - eventually your mind will accept them as truth.

However, if you are repeating them here in an effort to convince us you are uttering truth; well.... you are wasting your time and bandwidth. :nono:

[Qiaozhi]

From the site:

The scanning system TOMDEC V4 does not search - as metal detectors do - for the metal,
(e.g. gold or silver) but for the electromagnetic fields from ionic motions (positive or negative charged particles), which build up around metals. The internationally used term for locating such fields is “human radar“ or radiasthesis.

*********
That is, the 'internationally ACCEPTED term' is radiasthesis.
It does not mean it's employed.
It's just an easier term to explain the aproach to the general reader.
In the underlined explanation resides the true elements involved in the detection.
The TOMDEC differs from the Rangertell as it employs batteries. It means it reaches the same goal of locating the signal lines using electronics whereas the RT uses radionics.

Dowsing is a term many times erroneously used to define a concept where often the said term is not found at all.

There are dowsers who can locate a target with the aid of a 'dowsing rod' a 'dowsing pendulum' or no tool at all. Just his mind.

The RT, TOMDEC, Electroscope, etc. and etc. have nothing to do with dowsing except for a moving antenna. Nothing else.

Case have never been so open for all those years.
The TOMDEC V4 is mounted on swivel handle, so it is clearly a dowsing contraption. Case is still closed, however many times you try lifting the lid. :razz:

[hung]

If you think everything mounted on a swivel handle is dowsing, then you probably also believe that acupuncture is voodoo...:lol:

[Carl-NC]

The RT Examiner and the TOMDEC are not dowsing, as some people erroneously think they are.

I own 2 Examiners. They are dowsing rods. I have personally seen a TOMDEC. It is a dowsing rod.

I own (and use) a RT Examiner and can assure you it does not move the antenna by ideomotor.


Yes, it does, and it is provable.

If this battery is weak, device becomes erratic and sluggish. Mine has solar cells also.

In a double blind test, you would not be able to tell whether the calculator was on or off.

If you think everything mounted on a swivel handle is dowsing, then you probably also believe that acupuncture is voodoo...:lol:

There is something called the Duck Criterion.

- Carl

[Dell Winders]

Quote:
Originally Posted by hung
If you think everything mounted on a swivel handle is dowsing, then you probably also believe that acupuncture is voodoo...

There is something called the Duck Criterion.

- Carl


Carl's Pseudo Scientific analysis. "If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then surely it has to be a duck. Quack! Quack! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Hey Carl, here's a Scientific fact for you, Not all Duck quacks are alike, and not all ducks quack. Dell

[Fred]

There is nothing that make move the antenna except the user´s movement, so this must be a dowsing rod.
Wrong.
So , what makes it to swingle ?

[joecoin]

Carl's Pseudo Scientific analysis. "If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then surely it has to be a duck. Quack! Quack! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Hey Carl, here's a Scientific fact for you, Not all Duck quacks are alike, and not all ducks quack. Dell

So does this mean not all dowsers are quacks? Because it certainly appears that most of them are.

Dear Hung,

I do not find the word "ideomotor" anywhere on
http://www.mp-detections.com/Siteang.../tomdecv4.php4 (http://www.mp-detections.com/Siteanglais/dtipuls/tomdecv4.php4)

What do you base this part of your statement on: "...it tends to cancel any ideomotor effect..."?

[Steve in MS]

There are dowsers who can locate a target with the aid of a 'dowsing rod' a 'dowsing pendulum' or no tool at all. Just his mind.

The RT, TOMDEC, Electroscope, etc. and etc. have nothing to do with dowsing except for a moving antenna. Nothing else.



Hmmm, it seems they are dowsing because they depend upon a pivot point for them to work and in fact your last statement has the word "except", clearly meaning they have something in common with dowsing(that is they have mechanical parts) and dowsing uses those unseen forces to move the forked stick, much the way these devices do.

......That part about a dowser who uses no tool, "Just his mind".
Clearly this is the way to go, get rid of the pivots and use
"mind over matter":D:D:razz::razz::lol::lol:...and just using your mind would be a lot cheaper:D:D:razz::razz::lol::lol:.

[Clondike Clad]

Sorry, but your inferences are wrong and miserably shows you do not understand AT ALL what dowsing is and its related aspects.

The RT Examiner and the TOMDEC are not dowsing, as some people erroneously think they are.
The explanation at Tomdec's site and even in RT's site are correct.
It's up to you to believe it or not.
But first you need studying on the subject to prevent yourself from saying things as you did in the quote.

Regards.
Funny you should say that????????????????????????????????????????????.
I also took a Looooong look at that box and ......yes I also smell a snake. We are in hard times.
This thing WILL NOT PICK UP A SIGNAL FROM GOLD....THAT IS A FACT.i WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE MOB(THE BIG BOSS ,OF THE YOU KNOW WHO!) BUY ONE AND SEE WHAT WILL HAPPEN?:nono:

[hung]

So , what makes it to swingle ?

What makes an ordinary compass swing?

'Pull the rope and you will find what's attached on it'.

[hung]

Clondike, I know you own an examiner and appears you had not sucess with it.
I don't know the regularity you use it in the field, how you use it, etc. which might explain you unsuccess.
Fact is that it apparently did not work for you.
I understand and this is highly possible. I already said in the past, that the way it was built is not the most appropriate one as the swivel mechanism tends to emit false indications by the slight hand movement or a self imposing ideomotor.
I mean, if you try to 'guess' where the target is for instance.
The best aproach would be buliding a 'no swivel', still antenna and having laser LEDs and an apropriate circuit to sub for the swivel. But this is a little hard as the examiner deals with extremely small, micro currents and also I'm sure this would completely change the concept of magnetically aligning to the signal lines.

Many friends tried my original examiner and some could not make it to work. There were a couple of them who could not make the antenna even swing.
I also noticed that using it in the right hand is a must due to charge flux related to the heart blood flux.

I for myself cannot dowse. The rods are difficult for me. But for some reason I had not problems with the examiner and it worked for me from the start.

Some months ago I received a report from a dowser who had bought the examiner months earlier and also noticed that the thing is not dowsing. He said that he got a signal and by entering the parameters, he acknowledged the target's distance and also the target being silver coins.
To make a story short, he placed some coordinates in his GPS and drove his car to the supposed target's location (which was miles away).
He found several silver coins inside a glass jar buried only 4 feet where he had previously estimated with his examiner.

Pretty fantastic, eh?

[Qiaozhi]

Clondike, I know you own an examiner and appears you had not sucess with it.
I don't know the regularity you use it in the field, how you use it, etc. which might explain you unsuccess.
Agreed. If you use it enough times you'll eventually find something. The same as simply guessing.

Fact is that it apparently did not work for you.
I understand and this is highly possible. I already said in the past, that the way it was built is not the most appropriate one as the swivel mechanism tends to emit false indications by the slight hand movement or a self imposing ideomotor. I mean, if you try to 'guess' where the target is for instance.
Is this one in the list of excuses why LRLs fail? If not, we should add it. It's a classic!

The best aproach would be buliding a 'no swivel', still antenna and having laser LEDs and an apropriate circuit to sub for the swivel. But this is a little hard as the examiner deals with extremely small, micro currents and also I'm sure this would completely change the concept of magnetically aligning to the signal lines.
More pseudo-scientific gobbledy gook. Total nonsense, made-up gibberish.

Many friends tried my original examiner and some could not make it to work. There were a couple of them who could not make the antenna even swing.
I also noticed that using it in the right hand is a must due to charge flux related to the heart blood flux.
:lol: :lol: :lol: That's one of the best!
Why don't you mention the temporal flux capacitor while you're at it?

I for myself cannot dowse. The rods are difficult for me. But for some reason I had not problems with the examiner and it worked for me from the start.
No comment... :razz:

Some months ago I received a report from a dowser who had bought the examiner months earlier and also noticed that the thing is not dowsing. He said that he got a signal and by entering the parameters, he acknowledged the target's distance and also the target being silver coins.
To make a story short, he placed some coordinates in his GPS and drove his car to the supposed target's location (which was miles away).
He found several silver coins inside a glass jar buried only 4 feet where he had previously estimated with his examiner.

Pretty fantastic, eh?
Yes ... too fantastic to be true. Another fairy story. :rolleyes:

[hung]

Agreed. If you use it enough times you'll eventually find something. The same as simply guessing.


Is this one in the list of excuses why LRLs fail? If not, we should add it. It's a classic!


More pseudo-scientific gobbledy gook. Total nonsense, made-up gibberish.


:lol: :lol: :lol: That's one of the best!
Why don't you mention the temporal flux capacitor while you're at it?


No comment... :razz:


Yes ... too fantastic to be true. Another fairy story. :rolleyes:

Uhh... And with this amount of 'knowledge' still you were unable to build a working PD...:lol::lol::lol:

[Qiaozhi]

Uhh... And with this amount of 'knowledge' still you were unable to build a working PD...:lol::lol::lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Umm ... perhaps there's another reason. If you think hard enough you might find the answer. :razz:

[Theseus]

I for myself cannot dowse. The rods are difficult for me. But for some reason I had not problems with the examiner and it worked for me from the start.

Isn't the ideomotor effect a wonderful thing? If it is not the most compelling and confusing of all unconscious human motor responses; then it would have to be a close second to whatever is first.

Hung, don't feel bad about being taken in by the ideomotor effect. Many individuals, including some Patent attorneys, have fallen victim to it. Of course most rational folks, when shown what is really going on, will intuitively understand the concept - and the error in their thinking. ;) Of course there are always exceptions to someone having basic understanding....

[Steve in MS]

Some months ago I received a report from a dowser who had bought the examiner months earlier and also noticed that the thing is not dowsing. He said that he got a signal and by entering the parameters, he acknowledged the target's distance and also the target being silver coins.
To make a story short, he placed some coordinates in his GPS and drove his car to the supposed target's location (which was miles away).
He found several silver coins inside a glass jar buried only 4 feet where he had previously estimated with his examiner.

Pretty fantastic, eh?

Could it be possible that there is precious metal underground anywhere one steps, though it might be 80' or miles underground:D?
These LRLs should receive signals everywhere:D:D:razz::razz::lol::lol:.

[Clondike Clad]

Clondike, I know you own an examiner and appears you had not sucess with it.
I don't know the regularity you use it in the field, how you use it, etc. which might explain you unsuccess.
Fact is that it apparently did not work for you.
I understand and this is highly possible. I already said in the past, that the way it was built is not the most appropriate one as the swivel mechanism tends to emit false indications by the slight hand movement or a self imposing ideomotor.
I mean, if you try to 'guess' where the target is for instance.
The best aproach would be buliding a 'no swivel', still antenna and having laser LEDs and an apropriate circuit to sub for the swivel. But this is a little hard as the examiner deals with extremely small, micro currents and also I'm sure this would completely change the concept of magnetically aligning to the signal lines.

Many friends tried my original examiner and some could not make it to work. There were a couple of them who could not make the antenna even swing.
I also noticed that using it in the right hand is a must due to charge flux related to the heart blood flux.

I for myself cannot dowse. The rods are difficult for me. But for some reason I had not problems with the examiner and it worked for me from the start.

Some months ago I received a report from a dowser who had bought the examiner months earlier and also noticed that the thing is not dowsing. He said that he got a signal and by entering the parameters, he acknowledged the target's distance and also the target being silver coins.
To make a story short, he placed some coordinates in his GPS and drove his car to the supposed target's location (which was miles away).
He found several silver coins inside a glass jar buried only 4 feet where he had previously estimated with his examiner.

Pretty fantastic, eh?
I am still working with it.
any new info on using it?
At this time I still can't get it to do anything?

[Qiaozhi]

I am still working with it.
any new info on using it?
At this time I still can't get it to do anything?
Make sure you're holding it in your right hand. Otherwise there will be a buildup of charge flux due to the heart pumping blood round your body. :lol:

Excuse #36. :rolleyes:

[hung]

Could it be possible that there is precious metal underground anywhere one steps, though it might be 80' or miles underground:D?
These LRLs should receive signals everywhere:D:D:razz::razz::lol::lol:.

Sorry, I meant the target was found 4 feet away from where he had previously estimated with the RT.

[hung]

I am still working with it.
any new info on using it?
At this time I still can't get it to do anything?

What do you mean by 'still can't get it to do anything'?
You mean the antenna does not move in your case or you still could not find anything with it?
Please detail.

The old RT frequencies (more than 3 years old) had problems, but I believe the new ones are way better. Being a customer you can get the upgraded frequencies from them.
I use my own researched frequencies but these I can't release sorry. They are also used in our powerful LRL System.
However I already tested RT's new ones with sucess.

There's a simple test I have done that proved the device was calibrated and working fine that you could also perform. This worked for me, so this should also work for you.

Randomly enter a local FM station frequency in the calculator (millions of hertz) that you don't know where it's located. Do this say 3 times with 3 different stations.
Enter your particular routine (if any) that you use to detect an ordinary target. Adjust the knob for best swing of the antenna. Use always your right hand. I'm left handed and if I use it in my left hand the antenna turns sluggish or simply don't move. I learned to use it in my right hand, and today is so natural and automatic.

The examiner antenna will align to the direction of those FM station antennas and you can confirm later if the directions were correct.
I did this test and it worked fine. In my case, there are 2 stations which I later confirmed that are located in the same line span, being one to the right and the other to the left. The examiner clearly pointed and distinguished both of them.

For this test, you don't need samples that you know where they are placed and also you don't need to go in the field to locate something buried that you could have a hard time to pinpoint it.
This simple test will show you the examiner concept working.

This test worked for me. I hope it works for you.

Best regards.

[Qiaozhi]

Sorry, I meant the target was found 4 feet away from where he had previously estimated with the RT.
No where near then? :razz:

[hung]

No where near then? :razz:

You seem to have a hard time understanding things right don't you?

The distance was estimated entering the parameters for distance in the examiner from miles away!!

He traced the line on a map and drove to the place.

[Qiaozhi]

The old RT frequencies (more than 3 years old) had problems, but I believe the new ones are way better. Being a customer you can get the upgraded frequencies from them.
:lol: :lol: :lol: Whatever numbers you type into the calculator makes no difference. It's all in your mind. :lol: :lol: :lol:

I use my own researched frequencies but these I can't release sorry. They are also used in our powerful LRL System.
However I already tested RT's new ones with sucess.
Ahhh ... the secret frequencies! :ninja:
More pseudo-scientific claptrap. :nono:

There's a simple test I have done that proved the device was calibrated and working fine that you could also perform. This worked for me, so this should also work for you.

Randomly enter a local FM station frequency in the calculator (millions of hertz) that you don't know where it's located. Do this say 3 times with 3 different stations.
Enter your particular routine (if any) that you use to detect an ordinary target. Adjust the knob for best swing of the antenna. Use always your right hand. I'm left handed and if I use it in my left hand the antenna turns sluggish or simply don't move. I learned to use it in my right hand, and today is so natural and automatic.

The examiner antenna will align to the direction of those FM station antennas and you can confirm later if the directions were correct.
I did this test and it worked fine. In my case, there are 2 stations which I later confirmed that are located in the same line span, being one to the right and the other to the left. The examiner clearly pointed and distinguished both of them.

For this test, you don't need samples that you know where they are placed and also you don't need to go in the field to locate something buried that you could have a hard time to pinpoint it.
This simple test will show you the examiner concept working.

This test worked for me. I hope it works for you.

Best regards.
This only proves that the ideomotor effect is so compelling that you need to use double-blind testing to avoid self deception. Your refusal to even run a double-blind test shows how close-minded you've become with regard to dowsing and LRLs. You would rather live in ignorance, than to know the truth.

[Qiaozhi]

You seem to have a hard time understanding things right don't you?

The distance was estimated entering the parameters for distance in the examiner from miles away!!

He traced the line on a map and drove to the place.
What poppycock!

[Theseus]

...The old RT frequencies (more than 3 years old) had problems, but I believe the new ones are way better.

Old frequencies??? C'mon Hung, give me a break. We both know the numbers you plug into the calculator are not influencing the operation of the RT dowsing rod one iota. Hence, you can get the exact same results with the old frequencies, or the new frequencies, or no frequencies. Entering frequency numbers is merely a trick of the mind ---sold to you as part of the scam RT Examiner.

I especially like your statement; the new ones are way better (than the old ones). Now that's a very precise measurement, if I ever heard one. :rolleyes:

By "way better" do you mean the old frequencies would cause a location to be off by 2000 miles and now with the new ones, the location is only off by 500 miles???? :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

What a load of crap.

I certainly hope you got your RT Examiner for FREE in return for "hawking" it on the various forums.

[Tim Williams]

Sam now that you have labeled me a scammer in the above post, I guess the Arc-Geo logger and GCG are scam units too right? I saved your post and all the posts from google along with emails for future use proving you are Sam. I have people calling and asking if the Arc-Geo loggers really work because they read post from you.

You have claimed I am a scammer and that means everything I sell is junk. I'm sure you are still in Marshalltown correct. It would be best Carl if you distance yourself from Sam. Carl I will see you at the show.

Tim

[Fred]

What makes an ordinary compass swing?
What make an ordinary compass swing is the earth megnetic field.
So,what make the RT swing ?

[Theseus]

What make an ordinary compass swing is the earth megnetic field.
So,what make the RT swing ?

That's right, Fred, the compass needle is a tiny magnet (itself) and it merely obeys the laws of magnetic attraction (to the strongest magnetic field in close proximity) and hence aligns itself with the geomagnetic field. It does that of course, unless there is a stronger magnetic field in the area of the compass needle, and then it will align with the stronger field.

If you recall, it has been theorized that Flight 19, TBM Avenger torpedo bombers which disappeared on December 5, 1945, may have been due to some strange magnetic anomalies in the Bermuda Triangle. These anomalies are thought to have caused errors in their compass readings, and thus caused the aircraft to fly further out to sea instead of back to the Florida coast.

As to what makes the RT Examiner swing? That's an easy one. First an ideomotor response happens and then the operator tilts his hand ever so slightly, causing the RT dowsing rod to swing one way or another. Or, as Vincent Blanes displays on his site, he can also force it to spin in circles.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Clondike Clad]

What do you mean by 'still can't get it to do anything'?
You mean the antenna does not move in your case or you still could not find anything with it?
Please detail.

The old RT frequencies (more than 3 years old) had problems, but I believe the new ones are way better. Being a customer you can get the upgraded frequencies from them.
I use my own researched frequencies but these I can't release sorry. They are also used in our powerful LRL System.
However I already tested RT's new ones with sucess.

There's a simple test I have done that proved the device was calibrated and working fine that you could also perform. This worked for me, so this should also work for you.

Randomly enter a local FM station frequency in the calculator (millions of hertz) that you don't know where it's located. Do this say 3 times with 3 different stations.
Enter your particular routine (if any) that you use to detect an ordinary target. Adjust the knob for best swing of the antenna. Use always your right hand. I'm left handed and if I use it in my left hand the antenna turns sluggish or simply don't move. I learned to use it in my right hand, and today is so natural and automatic.

The examiner antenna will align to the direction of those FM station antennas and you can confirm later if the directions were correct.
I did this test and it worked fine. In my case, there are 2 stations which I later confirmed that are located in the same line span, being one to the right and the other to the left. The examiner clearly pointed and distinguished both of them.

For this test, you don't need samples that you know where they are placed and also you don't need to go in the field to locate something buried that you could have a hard time to pinpoint it.
This simple test will show you the examiner concept working.

This test worked for me. I hope it works for you.

Best regards.
I did input 92,300,000 and also 92.3 but it did not do anything.
I also mounted thr thing and still nota????????????????????????
I must hace one of the bad units?????????????????????????????
I may sent this to Carl and have him look at it.

[hung]

I did input 92,300,000 and also 92.3 but it did not do anything.
I also mounted thr thing and still nota????????????????????????
I must hace one of the bad units?????????????????????????????

Yes, if your FM station frequency is 92.3MHz, then you should enter 92300000.

So the antenna did not move?
Clondike, since you own the examiner, have your antenna moved to any target at least once?

If not, then there's something completely abnormal going on. Either the unit is severely deffective inside with broken wires, components, etc... or you are holding it in a way that is causing some blocking to the swing. Did you try walking with it leaving the antenna frictionless?

The examiner is so easy to hold and feel 'the pull' of the antenna that the last possibility above is the least likely one in my view.

I told there are some friends of mine who just cannot make it work.
So in order to know if the unit is deffective or not, I would perform some tests having other people holding it also. If they all fail, then the unit is deffective indeed.
In this case I would contact Rangertell to have them mail you another unit, and I'm sure they would do it.

The first unit that the dowser I told about received, also had problems and he could not make it to work. Then he had RT sending him another unit. This unit felt completely different then the previous one like day and night as he told me. So there's a good chance your unit may be somehow deffective.

Please, let me know the results with other people holding your device.


I may sent this to Carl and have him look at it.

What for? Makes no sense. If needed, require another one directly from RT. Easy as that.

Best regards.

[WesP]

So Hung if a person were to mount and level an R/T on say a camera tripod in a location that would be far removed from buildings, power lines or other man made interference producing items, but within range of a number of FM radio transmitters. Would the R/T still turn to indicate the direction of the antenna transmitting on the frequency entered in the calculator? If it truly is independent of the ideomotor effect it should work without the influence of a human operator. Lets' see how fast you can tap dance to this tune................:razz:


What do you mean by 'still can't get it to do anything'?
You mean the antenna does not move in your case or you still could not find anything with it?
Please detail.

The old RT frequencies (more than 3 years old) had problems, but I believe the new ones are way better. Being a customer you can get the upgraded frequencies from them.
I use my own researched frequencies but these I can't release sorry. They are also used in our powerful LRL System.
However I already tested RT's new ones with sucess.

There's a simple test I have done that proved the device was calibrated and working fine that you could also perform. This worked for me, so this should also work for you.

Randomly enter a local FM station frequency in the calculator (millions of hertz) that you don't know where it's located. Do this say 3 times with 3 different stations.
Enter your particular routine (if any) that you use to detect an ordinary target. Adjust the knob for best swing of the antenna. Use always your right hand. I'm left handed and if I use it in my left hand the antenna turns sluggish or simply don't move. I learned to use it in my right hand, and today is so natural and automatic.

The examiner antenna will align to the direction of those FM station antennas and you can confirm later if the directions were correct.
I did this test and it worked fine. In my case, there are 2 stations which I later confirmed that are located in the same line span, being one to the right and the other to the left. The examiner clearly pointed and distinguished both of them.

For this test, you don't need samples that you know where they are placed and also you don't need to go in the field to locate something buried that you could have a hard time to pinpoint it.
This simple test will show you the examiner concept working.

This test worked for me. I hope it works for you.

Best regards.

[hung]

So Hung if a person were to mount and level an R/T on say a camera tripod in a location that would be far removed from buildings, power lines or other man made interference producing items, but within range of a number of FM radio transmitters. Would the R/T still turn to indicate the direction of the antenna transmitting on the frequency entered in the calculator? If it truly is independent of the ideomotor effect it should work without the influence of a human operator. Lets' see how fast you can tap dance to this tune................:razz:

Hi Wes,
No, I believe the examiner can't move by itself as it needs the charges from the human operator. If you visit RT's site, you will find this explanation in detail. I for myself am convinced that not only charges are involved but somehow the EM signatures of the operator also. They are conected. In my view the Examiner is pretty much a radionics machine. But it's possible to build an all electronic version.

I already did many tests with the examiner and found that during the day, my rate of sucess is much higher than at night when I'm stressed and tired. Detection becomes slow and unprecise. My voltage drops like a battery...:lol:
I know of some examiner users who seem to confirm this also. There's a user who reported to me a heart surgery which dramatically diminished the antennas reponse. He found that by touching the down tip of the brass handle with his pinky, the response enhanced for him and that's how he's been using it ever since.
There's a report I made about voltages and the examiner which you might find interesting. It's somewhere in this forum. I ended up by saying that there's an enormous wealth of other research and tests to be done to the intriguing examiner concept. Unfortunately I just don't have the time to do it. I hope someone finally do it someday.

Regards.

[Qiaozhi]

Please, let me know the results with other people holding your device.

What for? Makes no sense. If needed, require another one directly from RT. Easy as that.
Or simply don't bother, and save the cost of post and packing. :lol:

Of course the RT doesn't work! :razz: It's already fulfilled its function the day it was purchased. i.e. the day Clondike Clad opened his wallet. :lol:

[Qiaozhi]

Lets' see how fast you can tap dance to this tune................:razz:

Hi Wes,
No, I believe the examiner can't move by itself as it needs the charges from the human operator. If you visit RT's site, you will find this explanation in detail. I for myself am convinced that not only charges are involved but somehow the EM signatures of the operator also. They are conected. In my view the Examiner is pretty much a radionics machine. But it's possible to build an all electronic version.

I already did many tests with the examiner and found that during the day, my rate of sucess is much higher than at night when I'm stressed and tired. Detection becomes slow and unprecise. My voltage drops like a battery...:lol:
I know of some examiner users who seem to confirm this also. There's a user who reported to me a heart surgery which dramatically diminished the antennas reponse. He found that by touching the down tip of the brass handle with his pinky, the response enhanced for him and that's how he's been using it ever since.
There's a report I made about voltages and the examiner which you might find interesting. It's somewhere in this forum. I ended up by saying that there's an enormous wealth of other research and tests to be done to the intriguing examiner concept. Unfortunately I just don't have the time to do it. I hope someone finally do it someday.

Regards.
Tap, tap, tap, tappety tap. :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Theseus]

Hi Wes,
No, I believe the examiner can't move by itself as it needs the charges from the human operator.

Yeah, sure it does. :D

Okay! If the examiner needs a charge from the human operator, just put the thing on the camera tripod, as was suggested, and simply connect a 6 foot length of wire from the metal tripod, holding the RT dowsing rod, and then let the operator grasp the other end of the wire. Now the tripod, the Examiner and the operator are all at the same electrical potential, and the charge from the operator is transferred to the Examiner (dowsing wand).

Will it move now? (rhetorical)

Of course it won't! Because we both know it requires an ideomotor response and that can't happen unless the operator is actually holding it (freely) in their hand.

Besides yourself; how many other gullible people do you think will fall for "...the examiner can't move by itself as it needs the charges from the human operator"?

That excuse is so old that LRL salesmen were using it back when Carl Anderson first started advertising his dowsing rods back in the early 1970s. Don't you think it's about time to fabricate some new excuses?

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Steve in MS]

Tap, tap, tap, tappety tap. :lol: :lol: :lol:

I'm picking up good vibrations...............:D:D:D:D.
Have to have the body power to operate:lol::lol::lol::lol:?
What a laugh:razz::D:lol:, there are so many variables:D:D:D with these devices,
How could all of them ever be satisfied to make a find:D:D:D:D?
Some can't make them work:D:D:D:D?
Don't those radio transmissions radiate in many directions:D:D:D:D?
Radio stations are easily picked up with a radio:D:D:D:D.
This is a test of the emergency broadcast system, for the next 60 years
you are required to see if you can pick up a signal from the radio station:lol::lol::lol::lol:, after you accomplish this, see if it will pick a gold bar 5 feet away:D:D:D:D.
Touching the brass tip with his pinky:D:D:D:D?
Maybe reading "Deep thoughts by Jack Handy" will help get one in the
right mindset:D:D:D:D.
How could such a product ever be sold with a straight face:D:D:D:D?

[J_Player]

There's a report I made about voltages and the examiner which you might find interesting. It's somewhere in this forum.Yes, we all found it very interesting!

The consensus by everyone posting in that forum thread was that you lied to us about opening the Ranger tell and taking voltage readings. When we discovered that there is no diode soldered to a pot in a Ranger tell as you said there was, and you could not tell us where to connect the meter probes inside the ranger tell, it became obvious that you never opened a Ranger Tell to test the voltages.

Read about your fake testing session here: http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13665&page=4

Also, see what is really inside a Ranger Tell here: http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13390&page=15

As I recall, after hearing the dis-believing replies to your alleged testing session, you looked to the Ranger Tell website to find a way to connect a meter to the outside of a Ranger Tell, so you would not need to show photos of the inside. If you actually showed a photo of the inside, it would clearly show there is no place to connect a meter probe to a diode soldered to a pot, and prove you never opened a ranger tell or tested it the way you said you did.

Is my recollection correct?

Best wishes,
J_P

[hung]

The consensus by everyone posting in that forum thread was that you lied to us about opening the Ranger tell and taking voltage readings. When we discovered that there is no diode soldered to a pot in a Ranger tell J_P

I really believe now you do have a problem.

OK this is my last direct answer to you.

1 - I own an all diode model. I have opened it as I said.

2 - Don't act stupid. As far as I know you don't own one, so you don't know what is inside. If you based your BS statements on Carl's report pictures, I can tell you from the start that the model I own looks completely different than that one.

3 - I don't lie. I'm not like you who lied to the RS forum pretending you had built a PD. I hope you never forget this and may that be stuck in your head forever against you.

I praise sincerity. Not falsings.
I will seriously talk to Esteban and Morgan about your presence in the RS forum. From me you will get nothing.


Now my questions to you.

What do you do for a living?
How old are you?

Please answer those simple questions for the forum, not for me.
To me, you have a kid and naive mentality.
Let's wait to see your answers.
Whatever the case, I will leave you talking alone as I know you will keep with this BS of yours indefinetely.

One suggestion to you before I leave your boat. Hold on tight to your job whatever it is. Things are really bad in your backyard.

[WesP]

Hung,
You dodged that one faster then George Bush :flag_us: can dodge a shoe! So it seems that it will only work for people that REALLY ;)believe it will work, that haven't had heart surgery :frown:(is this disclosed to the customer prior to purchase?) and have some dowsing ability. What I don't understand is how is it possible to hold the device perfectly level while searching. If your off just a bit it would swing towards the lower side upsetting the indication. As hard as I try and keep an open mind about these things:rolleyes: they just don't make good common sense. I'm sorry but a until someone demonstrates these devices to an impartial testing group with results beyond random chance I'll have to say I don't believe they work. One of the biggest doubts I have is that while regular metal detectors are what I consider fairly expensive but do require a substantial amount of electronics and assembly, LRL seem to have few components and have very expensive:shocked: price tags. Why is that?

Hi Wes,
No, I believe the examiner can't move by itself as it needs the charges from the human operator. If you visit RT's site, you will find this explanation in detail. I for myself am convinced that not only charges are involved but somehow the EM signatures of the operator also. They are conected. In my view the Examiner is pretty much a radionics machine. But it's possible to build an all electronic version.

I already did many tests with the examiner and found that during the day, my rate of sucess is much higher than at night when I'm stressed and tired. Detection becomes slow and unprecise. My voltage drops like a battery...:lol:
I know of some examiner users who seem to confirm this also. There's a user who reported to me a heart surgery which dramatically diminished the antennas reponse. He found that by touching the down tip of the brass handle with his pinky, the response enhanced for him and that's how he's been using it ever since.
There's a report I made about voltages and the examiner which you might find interesting. It's somewhere in this forum. I ended up by saying that there's an enormous wealth of other research and tests to be done to the intriguing examiner concept. Unfortunately I just don't have the time to do it. I hope someone finally do it someday.

Regards.

[Steve in MS]

I have a LRL device, not this Ranger and this one doesn't have any batteries, strictly mechanical.
I notice that the Ranger requires "body energy" for it to work, this one I have in the instructions makes reference to the same need of "body energy" and holding it a certain way.
It seems to me all these pivot type devices need this "body energy".
This one I have doesn't work, oh, it will swing around especially if I slightly tilt the balance point but finding metals,naaah:lol::lol::lol::lol:.
I have serious doubts any of these would pass any blind test of any kind, that is if the user didn't know where the sought object is located and is searching for a metalic item.

[Clondike Clad]

well I dusted the thing off....and took it for a spin.
Well at this time not one thing happen.
I will email to see if I can get a new unit.
If I can't get a new unit, I will post the inside of my unit to see if anyone can help me fix it.

[Carl-NC]

"Body energy" is synonymous with "ideomotor". Stop the device from being tilted (even if the hand is still in contact), and it stops working.

If Hung really truly believes what he is posting about the RT, then he hasn't bothered to do even the most rudimentary level of objective testing. His claims are all so very easy to prove wrong, using very simple tests.

- Carl

[Carl-NC]

CC, how old is your RT? My experience with Blanes is that his first alibi is, "You have an old model, and we have made significant improvements, different frequencies, more diodes, blah blah..."

[Theseus]

well I dusted the thing off....and took it for a spin.
Well at this time not one thing happen.
I will email to see if I can get a new unit.
If I can't get a new unit, I will post the inside of my unit to see if anyone can help me fix it.

If your current RT Examiner will swivel freely from side to side, when tilting your wrist slightly from side to side ---then it is in perfect working order, and there is no reason to ship it back and mess around trying to get a replacement, that will ultimately work just like the one you have.

As Carl said; Vincent will ALWAYS reply to your complaints of it not working with some lame excuse about you having an "outdated" model, or a bad component, or a faulty solder joint or some other fabricated response that has nothing to do with the thing not working (pointing to desired targets). Since I imagine it is way too late to demand a full refund, I'd say you are screwed.

http://www.drunkendata.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/screwed.jpg

[Clondike Clad]

CC, how old is your RT? My experience with Blanes is that his first alibi is, "You have an old model, and we have made significant improvements, different frequencies, more diodes, blah blah..."
I was given this unit about 3 years ago.
The customer was very pissed with it.
Don't know how old it it but I think it not much older than 5 years old.

[J_Player]

Now hung claims I lied in one of the forums? I would like to see this. For example, a link to the text in which this alleged lie appears. I am not aware of any such post I made in any forum.

However, if you read the previous post about hung's forum statements, you see three examples of hung posting false information for us to believe: http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=64547&postcount=351

These are only three examples of false information hung has posted. Try reading back through all hung's posts. Do you think you will find more?

If it is true that hung's Ranger Tell has a dioide soldered to a pot, it would be easy for hung to prove this. Simply open the box and photograph the diode soldered to a pot. This would clearly show anyone who does not believe hung has a model with a diode solered to a pot, that he actually does have this alleged model. Hung could also easily mark such a photo to show where to connect the meter leads so we can also check the meter readings he and "his team" allegedly witnessed when connected to the circuit inside the Ranger Tell box. (Such a photo could also whittle down the number of false hung statements shown in the example from 3 to 2).

Best wishes,
J_P

[hung]

Clondike, your examiner is not in normal state. I'm positive about it.
Wheter is a deffective calculator, battery, something broken inside, I don't know. The circuit is very, very simple and if a diode is broken, it would probably make the unit malfunction.
And no, the only possibility there is to explain why this device does not work is if it's broken. I built the examiner circuit shown in Carl's report and it worked from the start several years ago. The later diode version is without a doubt noticibly faster in its target responses.

I suggest you contact RT as soon as possible and tell them about your case. I'm almost sure they will send you another unit.
But you did not answer my question.
Has this Examiner ever swung the antenna operated by you, or the still state only happened lately?

Without this answer I don't know what to say about it.

For those who confuse bioenergy with ideomotor, I simply say that they still have a long, long way to go down the road that leads to knowledge about this subject.
As a matter of fact the BIONIC 01 from OKM uses bio energy as stage 1 for detection process and the unit is totally electronic. It's a superb device by the way.

So, those who believe in all those ideomotor thing, keep it to yourself. I will respect your opinion. I just ask that you respect mine and don't start a debate emitting pre-judgements as undisputed truth about a subject you don't completely understand yet. Maybe someday you will.

[Qiaozhi]

As for those who confuses bioenergy with ideomotor, I simply say that they still have a long, long way to go down the road that leads to knowledge about this subject.
There is no confusion at our end ... I assure you. Unfortunately I cannot say the same for you. :razz:

As a matter of fact the BIONIC 01 from OKM uses bio energy as stage 1 for detection process and the unit is totally electronic. It's a superb device by the way.
This is not fact. It is pseudo-science, as you well know.

So, those who believe in all those ideomotor thing, keep to yourself. I will respect your opinion. I just ask that you respect mine and don't start a debate over a subject you don't completely understand yet. Maybe someday you will.
No misunderstanding here. Until you are prepared to do a double-blind test you are doomed to wallow in superstitious ignorance.

[J_Player]

So, those who believe in all those ideomotor thing, keep to yourself. I will respect your opinion. I just ask that you respect mine and don't start a debate over a subject you don't completely understand yet. Maybe someday you will.The general purpose of the Geotech forums is to exchange information, not to hide information. With few proprietary information exceptions, we try to explain how treasure hunting mechanisms work. Thus, it would behoove any believers in ideamotor response to explain how it works, and those who don't believe to explain why not. Simply hiding what you believe to be the truth does nothing to further the knowledge of what is really happening with LRL detectors.

Best wishes,
J_P

[J_Player]

I believe the examiner can't move by itself as it needs the charges from the human operator. If you visit RT's site, you will find this explanation in detail. I for myself am convinced that not only charges are involved but somehow the EM signatures of the operator also. They are conected.

"Body energy" is synonymous with "ideomotor". Stop the device from being tilted (even if the hand is still in contact), and it stops working.Hmmm... According to hung, maybe not...
Ideamotor response implies that the operator must have some belief of where he thinks the target is located in order for involuntary muscle impulses to be processed by the brain. But hung's explanation says "charges from the human operator" are needed, as well as he believes the "EM signature of the operator" is also involved. It appears that hung's concept of the operation of a Ranger Tell is not simple ideamotor response. Perhaps a test can be devised to see if hung's concept is correct. Here is what Theseus posted to test hung's idea:
Okay! If the examiner needs a charge from the human operator, just put the thing on the camera tripod, as was suggested, and simply connect a 6 foot length of wire from the metal tripod, holding the RT dowsing rod, and then let the operator grasp the other end of the wire. Now the tripod, the Examiner and the operator are all at the same electrical potential, and the charge from the operator is transferred to the Examiner (dowsing wand).Now this looks like a good test...
But wait... there are a few details that must be dealt with:
First, a metal tripod could interfere with alleged signals from a target as well as the EM field of the operator. Also, a 6-foot wire could also cause similar interference, as well as pick up some stray electrical noise that would not be present if the wire were not there.

Suppose we modify the Theseus test a little...
Why not mount the ranger tell to a non-metalic version of a tripod? Suppose a tripod were built with three wooden legs and a platform with three dowel holes on the bottom to accept the three legs. On the top, epoxy a wooden tube that the Ranger Tell handle will slide into. Be sure to cut a vertical slot along the length both sides of this tube so you can stretch rubber bands around it to clamp down tight against the Ranger Tell handle. Now we have the ranger tell mounted on a non-metallic tripod that can be leveled so that when the Ranger Tell is spun, it comes to a stop pointing random directions and does not favour any particular direction. The Ranger Tell should be mounted at the same elevation that it is normally held.

At this point, I would think it important that the operator stood in a position where he could hold the Ranger Tell in the same manner as if the tripod were not there. This would alleviate any concerns that his "EM field" is not at the proper distance from the Ranger Tell. Now the testing is ready to begin. Press you favorite calculator buttons to get the gold frequency. While the operator is holding the Ranger Tell, his assistant can be moving gold objects across the field of view in the distance ahead. A fishing rod may be helpful to move gold jewelry across the field quickly. I suppose we should now see the Ranger Tell begin to swivel and to track the movement of the gold jewelry.

So do you think this could be a good test to see if hung's concept is correct?

Best Wishes,
J_P

[Theseus]

So, those who believe in all those ideomotor thing, keep it to yourself. I will respect your opinion. I just ask that you respect mine and don't start a debate emitting pre-judgements as undisputed truth about a subject you don't completely understand yet. Maybe someday you will.

Oh yes, the Holier-Than-Thou Attitude is always a good approach when you don't really know what you are talking about, and have not a leg to stand on. And, if that fails to net you any ground, you can always go back to the "privileged information".... "it's a secret" gag.

Besides repeatedly trying those old gimmicks on this forum, when was the last time you actually applied those debate techniques; and were successful in winning someone over to your side? Let me guess, was it in a sandbox at elementary school recess? :lol::lol:

Just a suggestion to aid you in your never-ending pursuit of furthering your education. Before trying to explain why a simple ideomotor response is not involved in the operation of the RT dowsing wand (and similar contraptions); perhaps it might be well to first apprise yourself of exactly how and what causes the ideomotor effect. :D

[joecoin]

Hung,

If someone had trouble being effective with a Ranger Tell (or any other similar LRL) and they received a heart transplant from someone who was highly successful with a Ranger Tell (or similar LRL), do you think that would help them be more succesful?

[Theseus]

Suppose we modify the Theseus test a little...
Why not mount the ranger tell to a non-metalic version of a tripod? Suppose a tripod were built with three wooden legs and a platform with three dowel holes on the bottom to accept the three legs. On the top, epoxy a wooden tube that the Ranger Tell handle will slide into. Be sure to cut a vertical slot along the length both sides of this tube so you can stretch rubber bands around it to clamp down tight against the Ranger Tell handle. Now we have the ranger tell mounted on a non-metallic tripod that can be leveled so that when the Ranger Tell is spun, it comes to a stop pointing random directions and does not favour any particular direction. The Ranger Tell should be mounted at the same elevation that it is normally held.

At this point, I would think it important that the operator stood in a position where he could hold the Ranger Tell in the same manner as if the tripod were not there. This would alleviate any concerns that his "EM field is not at the proper distance from the Ranger Tell. Now the testing is ready to begin. Press you favorite calculator buttons to get the gold frequency. While the operator is holding the Ranger Tell, his assistant can be moving gold objects across the field of view in the distance ahead. A fishing rod may be helpful to move gold jewelry across the field quickly. I suppose we should now see the Ranger Tell begin to swivel and to track the movement of the gold jewelry.

So do you think this could be a good test to see if hung's concept is correct?

Best Wishes,
J_P

Now I think we are getting somewhere... sort of. But what about the requirement stating... "the RT contraption must be charged by contact with the human operator" ??? (Or are we ignoring the contact requirement for now?)

[J_Player]

Now I think we are getting somewhere... sort of. But what about the requirement stating... "the RT contraption must be charged by contact with the human operator" ??? (Or are we ignoring the contact requirement for now?) Of course we don't ignore that. The operator walks up to the side of the tripod and puts his right hand around the handle of the Ranger tell.... oops... there is a wooden tube around the handle... This means the tube must be modified so the operator can place his hand on the handle while the tripod still supports it and prevents it from tilting. We can simply shorten the wooden tube to make room to place your hand on the Ranger Tell handle above it. (also note this entire tripod assembly can be made from fiberglass as well as wood). See idea for test equipment below:

[Fred]

As to what makes the RT Examiner swing? That's an easy one. First an ideomotor response happens and then the operator tilts his hand ever so slightly, causing the RT dowsing rod to swing one way or another. :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Ok, but Hung it the "enlightened" here, so i ask again, HUNG, WHAT MAKES THE THING TO SWING ??


1 - I own an all diode model. I have opened it as I said.
Hey, more than one diode then ??!! :shocked:

[J_Player]

1 - I own an all diode model. I have opened it as I said.Errr... can you show us a picture of the inside so we can see the diode soldered to the pot like you saw when you opened it?

Best wishes,
J_P

[UWLocator]

Of course we don't ignore that. The operator walks up to the side of the tripod and puts his right hand around the handle of the Ranger tell.... oops... there is a wooden tube around the handle... This means the tube must be modified so the operator can place his hand on the handle while the tripod still supports it and prevents it from tilting. We can simply shorten the wooden tube to make room to place your hand on the Ranger Tell handle above it. (also note this entire tripod assembly can be made from fiberglass as well as wood). See idea for test equipment below:

The only problem is that the operator can still influence the unit with that arrangement.

I would suggest that the operator should wear a blackout mask, like used in blackwater dive training, and ear muffs to minimize the chance of getting clues to the location of the target. Of course, if you put those two things on the operator and spin him around first, you would not need the stand.

Oh, but I guess spinning him around would upset his magnetic field.

[J_Player]

The only problem is that the operator can still influence the unit with that arrangement.

I would suggest that the operator should wear a blackout mask, like used in blackwater dive training, and ear muffs to minimize the chance of getting clues to the location of the target. Of course, if you put those two things on the operator and spin him around first, you would not need the stand.Ahhhh... Not so...
This test is designed to use apparatus that makes it impossible for the Ranger Tell to tilt. Thus, the operator cannot cause the Ranger Tell to lean any direction by use of his muscle movements whether voluntary or involuntary.

What this means is if there is any ideamotor response happening, it's path is blocked from the Ranger Tell by the rigid tripod arrangement that prevents any motor movements from moving the Ranger Tell. The only signals coming from the operator will have to travel as hung describes "EM field" and through the operator's "body charge" that enters through his hand touching the handle. The purpose of the test is to see if energy and/or signals from the operators body charge can cause the Ranger Tell to track in the direction of jewelry. We don't really care if the operator can see the target or not at this point. If the operator is watching the target, and the Ranger Tell tracks the jewelry, then we know it did not happen through ideamotor response because the motor part was blocked from moving the Ranger Tell. It could however be caused by idea-energy transfer of some sort, if we observe the Ranger Tell begin to track the moving piece of jewelry. And then we could have the operator look away from the location of the moving jewelry and see if the Ranger Tell still tracks it. This would indicate that there is no ideamotor, no idea-only, and no motor-only response working. It would indicate the Ranger tell was working without any cognizant input from the operator.

So we only need to watch and see if the Ranger tell begins to track the moving piece of jewelry when the operator's hand is placed on the handle to see if hung's theory is correct. (Of course, we should also have the operator repeat the test while looking the other way so he can't see the jewelry swinging through the air during this test. This will give us some valuable clues to what causes the Ranger Tell to track moving jewelry).

Hmmm.... What if this test is conducted and the Ranger Tell does not track moving jewelry in any circumstance? Does this mean it only works by ideamotor response? :eek:

p.s. It may be wise to glue a small level vial to the tripod platform to indicate if the operator is using excessive force of muscle power to try to move the Ranger Tell away from the level condition as supported by the tripod.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Steve in MS]

Seems to me it would be difficult while using LRLs not to slightly tilt the hand thereby causing the swinging effect.....
I bet wind plays havoc on using one too?

[J_Player]

Seems to me it would be difficult while using LRLs not to slightly tilt the hand thereby causing the swinging effect.....
I bet wind plays havoc on using one too?
Not if the LRL was locked to a level non-metal tripod on a windless day.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Carl-NC]

Hmmm... According to hung, maybe not...
Ideamotor response implies that the operator must have some belief of where he thinks the target is located in order for involuntary muscle impulses to be processed by the brain.

No, ideomotor is just involuntary motor (muscle) movement. It can be triggered by a simple belief, or by a visual stimulus, or it can be random.

I've observed that in DB tests I've done with dL'ers, when they are trying to find a target they don't know the location of, they will often get an initial ideomotor response that is random. That is, it just happens at some location. Once they get the first reaction, their belief in the dL device takes over, and they get repeated responses at the same location. Once they find out that's the wrong location, they cease getting the response there, and start getting it somewhere else.

It's all very entertaining, and a wonderful lesson in psychology.

So do you think this could be a good test to see if hung's concept is correct?There are lots of ways to test Hung's claims. But keep in mind that no matter what you come up with, he will have an alibi as to why it's no good.

Yes, mounting the RT in a wooden fixture, where you can still fully grasp the handle but not tilt it, will prevent it from tracking a target, and proves that it requires tilting to work. Hung will tell us why that test is no good.

Adding a wooden counterbalance to the RT, so that it is perfectly balanced, will prevent even tilting from causing it to turn, and it will cease to track a target. That further proves it's the imbalance plus tilting that makes it turn. Hung will tell us why that test is no good.

Covering the display with a piece of paper, then having someone else "program" the RT so that the user has no idea what element it's programmed for, will cause it to cease responding to the "right" element, proving that programming the RT does nothing. Hung will tell us why that test is no good.

Doing the classic DB marked target test will prove that the RT has no ability to actually locate a target, even when its location is marked. Hung will tell us why that test is no good.

Videotaping a person holding the RT and tracking a target that is moved back & forth in front of them, will provide indisputable evidence that it is the tilting of the RT that causes it to turn. Hung will tell us why that test is no good.

Yes, there are many ways to prove the RT (and any other LRL, and dowsing in general) is pure nonsense. IT'S NOT HARD. But people who have felt the ideomotor response time after time, and have become immersed in the lure of doing the impossible, have also become so deluded that even the silliest claims about how it all works makes perfect sense to them. Even the most obvious fallacies get dismissed without a thought. And even rationality itself escapes them.

You will never ever ever ever ever change their mind. I have seen enough dL'ers to say that with extreme confidence. Suggesting tests like these mean nothing to someone that far gone. You may as well tell an alchoholic to stop drinking, and show him all the reasons why he should. Reasons mean nothing to an alchoholic.

The best you can do is provide honest information about the LRL scams, and let folks make up their own minds. I got another email today from someone thanking me for the LRL information on Geotech. He avoided the scam. Good on us.

- Carl

[J_Player]

There are lots of ways to test Hung's claims. But keep in mind that no matter what you come up with, he will have an alibi as to why it's no good.Well, if the best tests we can come up with are all no good, then how will we know if these LRLs work or not? Must we believe hung's stories that he refuses to prove? How come hung's stories don't agree with the performance observed by others like Clondike-Clad, gold24h, Carl-NC and others?

Dang, If most folks are saying they don't work, maybe I should read some test results before buying one.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Rangertell]

Hi Clondike


Rangertell here. We will replace your Examiner on your sending it back to us.


RTL&ES

[Rangertell]

Message for Clondike

It has come to our notice that your Examiner is playing up.
We will replace it if you send it back to the address in PM.

RTL&ES

[Qiaozhi]

Message for Clondike

It has come to our notice that your Examiner is playing up.
We will replace it if you send it back to the address in PM.

RTL&ES
Clondike Clad - go for it!
This will no doubt be the latest model with improved frequencies, the correct number of knobs, and suitable diodes in the right places. :rolleyes:
We may even be given a new excuse by Hung when you find that it doesn't work. :lol:

[Qiaozhi]

You will never ever ever ever ever change their mind. I have seen enough dL'ers to say that with extreme confidence. Suggesting tests like these mean nothing to someone that far gone. You may as well tell an alchoholic to stop drinking, and show him all the reasons why he should. Reasons mean nothing to an alchoholic.
May I suggest that Hung should join a self-help group, such as Dowsers Anonymous? :eek:

[Qiaozhi]

From the RangerTell website:

Users are often amused by the scientific calculator attached to the unit. It is a breakthrough only Ranger-Tell has developed. The Ofki© (Omni Field Key Interpreter) concept which uses our unique diode system is connected via induction to the main circuitry inside the control box and outperforms units that are five times more expensive. Our competitors use bulky oscillation principles with too many expensive bells and whistles. Our techs deserve a science prize for this original concept. You can even choose feet or meters, miles or kilometers by pressing two keys.

:lol: :lol: :lol:
Amused is not the word I would use. Hilarious would be more appropriate. :razz:

[hung]

Hi Clondike


Rangertell here. We will replace your Examiner on your sending it back to us.


RTL&ES

Hey,I see your support still rocks along the years.
Thanks for being so helpful in Clondike's case.

I'm done with these guys here.

Best Regards.

[Theseus]

Clondike Clad - go for it!
This will no doubt be the latest model with improved frequencies, the correct number of knobs, and suitable diodes in the right places. :rolleyes:
We may even be given a new excuse by Hung when you find that it doesn't work. :lol:

Yes! Most definitely go for it, CC. You will be out some postage but at least when you get it, try it, and find it works (or conversely doesn't work) just like the one you already have, then the case will be closed.

Or will it.....? Will there be more excuses? ...more reasons why "you" just aren't cut out to make it work?

I know I'm not alone in wondering what the next line of "excuses" will be, but one thing is for sure ---when it does not work, just like the one you have; there will be excuses provided.

[Fred]

Hey,I see your support still rocks along the years.
Thanks for being so helpful in Clondike's case.
I'm done with these guys here.
Best Regards.

Geee Hung, how old are you ?

[Clondike Clad]

Hi Clondike


Rangertell here. We will replace your Examiner on your sending it back to us.


RTL&ES Is it going to cost me to get a replacment?
Also my rt will move but only if i make it move.
How long wil it take to get a replacment?
I would like to get the replacment first and i will send my old unit .
I will keep working with it until I get the new one.
Do you have more way s of test that I can do?

[Carl-NC]

Well, if the best tests we can come up with are all no good, then how will we know if these LRLs work or not? Must we believe hung's stories that he refuses to prove? How come hung's stories don't agree with the performance observed by others like Clondike-Clad, gold24h, Carl-NC and others?

My suggestion, as always, is "look and see for yourself." I've provided numerous tests that will prove LRLs are bogus. But only if you run those tests and do so honestly.

As you say, Hung provides nothing but verbal claims. Blanes and other manufacturers do the same. Lots of talk, no walk. Take a look at all the treasure found with LRLs, vs all the treasure found with other instruments. dL'ers talk about all the micron gold they find, auras from treasures that have already been removed, vast treasure hoards on gov't property they can't get to, and incredible finds they refuse to show because the black helicopters are circling. Real treasure hunters show you the treasure they've actually recovered. That's how you distinguish the walkers from the talkers.

Look, and see for yourself.

I'm done with these guys here.

Alcoholics often reach a state of such extreme denial that they will simply stick their fingers in their ears and walk away from any attempt at a rational conversation about their "problem". Very likely Hung realizes that all the tests I listed will show exactly what I said they will show, but his delusions kick in and tell him that LRLs must work no matter how many tests they fail, therefore the tests must be wrong. That is extreme denial.

- Carl

[Rangertell]

My suggestion, as always, is "look and see for yourself." I've provided numerous tests that will prove LRLs are bogus. But only if you run those tests and do so honestly.

As you say, Hung provides nothing but verbal claims. Blanes and other manufacturers do the same. Lots of talk, no walk. Take a look at all the treasure found with LRLs, vs all the treasure found with other instruments. dL'ers talk about all the micron gold they find, auras from treasures that have already been removed, vast treasure hoards on gov't property they can't get to, and incredible finds they refuse to show because the black helicopters are circling. Real treasure hunters show you the treasure they've actually recovered. That's how you distinguish the walkers from the talkers.

Look, and see for yourself.



Alcoholics often reach a state of such extreme denial that they will simply stick their fingers in their ears and walk away from any attempt at a rational conversation about their "problem". Very likely Hung realizes that all the tests I listed will show exactly what I said they will show, but his delusions kick in and tell him that LRLs must work no matter how many tests they fail, therefore the tests must be wrong. That is extreme denial.

- Carl
It would be nice Carl if you referred to the correct manufacturer name with Rangertell. It's not Blanes but Brooker. Changing it on your report would be appropriate and respected as this. Thanks in advance.

for G. Brooker, Rangertell

[hung]

My suggestion, as always, is "look and see for yourself." I've provided numerous tests that will prove LRLs are bogus. But only if you run those tests and do so honestly.

As you say, Hung provides nothing but verbal claims. Blanes and other manufacturers do the same. Lots of talk, no walk. Take a look at all the treasure found with LRLs, vs all the treasure found with other instruments. dL'ers talk about all the micron gold they find, auras from treasures that have already been removed, vast treasure hoards on gov't property they can't get to, and incredible finds they refuse to show because the black helicopters are circling. Real treasure hunters show you the treasure they've actually recovered. That's how you distinguish the walkers from the talkers.

Look, and see for yourself.



Alcoholics often reach a state of such extreme denial that they will simply stick their fingers in their ears and walk away from any attempt at a rational conversation about their "problem". Very likely Hung realizes that all the tests I listed will show exactly what I said they will show, but his delusions kick in and tell him that LRLs must work no matter how many tests they fail, therefore the tests must be wrong. That is extreme denial.

- Carl

Frankly I did not even bother reading your required tests in some early post, I'm sorryt.
Whatever they are they will only fit your agenda.
I don't want to prove anyting to you or the others. Stop dreaming about that. That will never happen.

Actually along the past 4 years, I started a serious research about those things and did all imaginable tests that provided me all comprehension and learning. Those brought me answers. Those answers led me to develop my sucessful all electronic system. But as the possibilities are vast, we are thinking newer innovations each day.

Your acoholic example fits exactly the ignorant skeptics. So LRLs don't find treasures?
Your 'baiting' attitude just give a big grin in my face. If you could see it right now...

[Carl-NC]

It would be nice Carl if you referred to the correct manufacturer name with Rangertell. It's not Blanes but Brooker. Changing it on your report would be appropriate and respected as this. Thanks in advance.

for G. Brooker, Rangertell

I already know your name is Vincent Blanes. I even have your phone number from a customer, that matches the entry for Blanes. And one of the Examiners I own, had your home address on the box. And you initially registered your web site under your real name. Oops, better be more careful with the ol' secret identity! :lol:

[Carl-NC]

Frankly I did not even bother reading your required tests in some early post, I'm sorryt.
Whatever they are they will only fit your agenda.
I don't want to prove anyting to you or the others. Stop dreaming about that. That will never happen.

Fingers in the ears. Classic denial.

It works no matter how often it fails. Completely delusional.

Yes, a delusional denier will never ever ever ever change his mind, just like I said.

- Carl

[hung]

Carl, I believe you own an arsenal of LRLs, right? You could not make any of them work? Not a single one? Not even half?
This is unbelievable. Take the RT unit you pictured in your report. You stated it could not find anything. With a unit built by me based on that report I could find a silver ring. I say a big thanks to you by the way.

With the PDC 205 that you said did not work, an ex-member of my team found several colonial era gold coins which allowed him to open a restaurant.
Then there are the electroscope and all the others you claim don't work but I already contacted sucessful owners of some of them who are happy users.

Now you own an all electronic device such as the FG80 and still could not make it to work?!
Man, forget LRL scientific research, your are the real object of study!:shocked:
You deserve tests thoroughly conducted to understand your complete incapacity with those devices.
Assuming you are not lying, when you stated you can't make an LRL work, as I hate liars, the only thing left is this fantastic, complete lack of ability to operate LRLs.
I grant you that the day I arrive in US, I would like to study you.
You are amazing!

[Carl-NC]

Assuming you are not lying, when you stated you can't make an LRL work, as I hate liars, the only thing left is this fantastic, complete lack of ability to operate LRLs. You are amazing!

What's really amazing, is how all the expert LRL users I've encountered also can't make an LRL work when I'm watching! They fail just as consistently as I do. Must be those SkepticWaves I emit!

- Carl

[J_Player]

I don't want to prove anyting to you or the others. Stop dreaming about that. That will never happen.Really?
Then why are you here? What is your post above for?

Take note: "How do you help a compulsive liar? You don't!
The person that is the compulsive liar has to reach out for professional help and it doesn't matter what you say or do, this person has to admit they need help. In truth when they say, "they are always the last to know", meaning, an alcoholic never thinks they have a problem with alcohol, a compulsive liar never thinks they lie, etc. Until they reach a point in their lives where they have no place to go but the truth about themselves there is nothing anyone can do for them".From: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_do_you_help_a_compulsive_liar
See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudologia_fantastica

I guess Carl-NC was right. Nothing we can do. Maybe some day hung will notice that he is surrounded by people who think his stories are BS. Maybe some day he will read the false information he posted in the Geotech forums and recognize it is false instead of claiming it is not what he posted.

Best wishes,
J_S

[Carl-NC]

No no no! I don't claim for a minute that Hung is lying, and I don't think he is. Rather, he is delusional about his experience with LRLs, and in denial about any information counter to his beliefs. This is a better fit:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusion

And don't get me wrong, I do not deny that people who use LRLs never ever find anything. Occasionally (though rarely), they do. So do people who randomly dig holes*.

But I do claim that the LRL itself is incapable of doing what they claim it is doing. People who use LRLs and have made recoveries do so because (1) they've done research, (2) they are looking, and (3) they are also using other tools that Really Work.

- Carl

* There are numerous documented finds made by construction crews. The sum total of all these random recoveries likely exceeds the sum total of all LRL recoveries.

[Theseus]

With the PDC 205 that you (meaning Carl) said did not work, an ex-member of my team found several colonial era gold coins which allowed him to open a restaurant.

Yet another anecdotal accounting. Seems there is a never-ending supply. :D

IF... in fact that actually happened, then it is also a fact those same coins would have been found by pure chance, and the aid of a bent coat hanger.

What other conventional instrumentation and/or research methods were utilized in the recovery? LRLers are really good at melding their dowsing gadgets with all sorts of other locating tools and the like, but when it comes to "telling the story"; full credit is given to the dowsing gadget, and there is no mention of the other tools and/or research that actually contributed to the end result. ;)

Not at all unlike the habitual gambler, who loves to tell his friends about all the times he/she was a winner, but conveniently never says a word about the required losses prior to and after the win streak. :lol: :lol:

[Theseus]

Thanks for the reference, Carl. I hadn't noticed what a perfect fit it is and how exactly it describes the devote practitioners.

From the same reference:
"the three main criteria for a belief to be considered delusional in his book General Psychopathology. These criteria are:

certainty (held with absolute conviction)
incorrigibility (not changeable by compelling counterargument or proof to the contrary)
impossibility or falsity of content (implausible, bizarre or patently untrue)"

That explains the practitioners, but what about those who are not outwardly deluded (ie. Vincent Blanes / Ranger) but pray on the delusional?

The best label I can think of for them is simply, Wallet-miner.

Or, is there a better one?

[J_Player]

No no no! I don't claim for a minute that Hung is lying, and I don't think he is. Rather, he is delusional about his experience with LRLs, and in denial about any information counter to his beliefs. This is a better fit:Well, then this explains it!
hung is not a liar. He is deluded, and actually believes his LRLs work. Any lies he tells about the details are things he cannot help, and unaware of doing, because he is blinded into maintaining his delusions about LRLs working.

Fer instance, If hung says he found a fabulous treasure with an LRL, but he can't recover it because it is too dangerous, then there is no lie, because there is no way to prove the treasure was found or not.

Or if hung says he did not post particular words that can be read under a posting with his name on it, he is not lieing. He is simply deluded into believing he does not see his words written in the forum.

I think this behavior falls under the definition of psychosis (loss of contact with reality). But psychosis seems only a side effect of the delusion, and a necessary mental condition needed to support the delusion of having a calculator that finds treasure.

So the bottom line is that hung is not a liar. He is an ok guy who is simply deluded, and makes involuntary false statements which he believes are true, regardless of the obvious preponderance of evidence to the contrary.

Now I feel much better about ignorant fools spending money on junk that does not work.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Qiaozhi]

I'm done with these guys here.
This is clearly an untruth, as you have already posted twice more since making this statement. :razz:

... and (3) they are also using other tools that Really Work.
A very similar thing occurs with homeopathic medicines. Someone goes to the doctor and is prescribed some medicine, but after a few days of still not feeling good, they decide to take some alternative medication. Miraculously they start to get better ... just at the point where the conventional medicine is beginning to have an effect. This is certainly ok, if it makes you feel good. BUT - the danger is that next time, they will dispense with going to the doctor all together, and only use the alternative stuff. So the alternative/homeopathic medicine erroneously gets the credit.

The same thing happens with dowsing and LRLs. The dowsing contraption "leads" you to a certain area (that unconsciously looks a good place to metal detect) and you then switch to a conventional metal detector. Guess which device gets the credit for detecting the treasure from several miles away? :lol:

Wake up Hung before it's too late and you end up like Dell. Repeat out loud each night 10 times before going to bed: "It's a trick of the mind." :stars:

[Fred]

Wake up Hung before it's too late and you end up like Dell. Repeat out loud each night 10 times before going to bed: "It's a trick of the mind." :stars:
Hung doesn´t WANT to wake up, he feels good in his dream and sustend it with stories (i will avoid the world lies :razz: ).
If he wakes up his whole world will collapse.And no much will be left i am afraid.
Unless...he will PROVE that LRL works.

[Steve in MS]

I don't think Carl or Hung is lying, it is a difference of opinion and I don't think Carl has a personal grudge against LRLs, he simply doesn't think they work.
Since there is no tests of LRL's to show they work, most of us don't think they work either.
It is really hard for me to believe that a passive device with a pivot point will react to far away metals, I enjoy science fiction movies but I know it isn't for real:D.

[hung]

What's really amazing, is how all the expert LRL users I've encountered also can't make an LRL work when I'm watching! They fail just as consistently as I do. Must be those SkepticWaves I emit!

- Carl

:lol::lol::lol:

I have to admit... You're a skeptic but you have a lot of sense of humour in a clever way. I like that. You're a funny dude.

Good night Carl & 'entourage'.

[Rangertell]

Really, Carl. That's not important. A thousand Paypal buyers might also think that.:D
But the constructor of the unit is G. Brooker in all 1000 cases. 8)
Viblertek is co-developer/distributor.

Or do you refer to Rolls-Royce as Royce?
Not many do, unless someone is telling them fibrications.:cool:

It's simple Inventors Rights. You think V. Blanes is the maker, so be it.
I guess you wouldn't like it if I Anon, by choice not personality, insisted that Sam wrote and also edited your anti-LRL work to flood the world with disinformation.

You wouldn't like it and wouldn't lay claim by name to anything that wasn't yours if you had scruples.

Not once has there been a post by a V. Blanes re these units. I dare you to produce same.

Imagine this scenario:

G. Brooker invents an LRL unit. V. Blanes co-develops it and writes anon as forum person. He can't though give his name because he hasn't the majority ownership, being co-developer/distributor. Viblertek doesn't allow any rep to give their names. He also would not silly enough to draw the obviously malicious claims of the alien skeptics by telling them. :nono:

Then along comes Carl who has an aversion to LRLs, fuelled by Sam, the notorious anti-LRL person, also writing complete and monstrous absurdities.

"This LRL , which I abhor and hate like all other LRLs, cannot possibly work. Why? There are thousands of users and 144/144 positive, time-sequence satisfying Ebay feedbacks (retractions being impossible) and more pics and testimonials than any other maker. V. Blanes the maker (a scientist , not the maker) who has a habit of not using his name, has been manufacturing this glued monstrosity ( a one-off experimental) and they just don't work. It's dowsing (despite perfect evidence to contrary on his website). You could do the same with wires (which would cost you a 1000 bucks just to properly find water.) Imagine charging 700 dollars. It's a ripoff ( despite this being 10 times cheaper than all other LRLs, and with more features and perfect track record.)"

There's no point in arguing and that's why the 2002-05 forums were all this little black duck thought it was worth.:D

Enough said and no further comment should be ascribed or expected re a very simple event viz an LRL succeeds and the skeptics will not get their facts right.

[Rangertell]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rangertell
Hi Clondike


Rangertell here. We will replace your Examiner on your sending it back to us.


RTL&ES
Is it going to cost me to get a replacment?
Also my rt will move but only if i make it move.
How long wil it take to get a replacment?
I would like to get the replacment first and i will send my old unit .
I will keep working with it until I get the new one.
Do you have more way s of test that I can do?

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Answered respectively:

In this case it will only cost you the postage.
It's gone.
Seven to 10 days from RT receiving your current unit.
Like ebay we can't do that but I will see.
It works then to some extent?
Tech support is free.

This forum is different to others I have used. For one I can't find the Reply button on the posts. It appears to be appended.

RTL&ES

[J_Player]

Enough said and no further comment should be ascribed or expected re a very simple event viz an LRL succeeds and the skeptics will not get their facts right.Hi Rangertell,
I am a skeptic about the operation of most long range locators. The reason I am skeptical is because I have never seen anyone demonstrate an LRL working live in front of me. And I also see every person who has been asked to give a live demonstration does not do so. This makes me think they probably don't work.

However, If I could see it demonstrated in front of me, and the demonstrator showed me how to make the LRL work for me as well, then I would become convinced that it works. In fact, I have made several offers to videotape LRLs working in known treasure-bearing areas where I live for all the world to see, but have had no takers. I also have offered to make a professional web page showing videos of the event and with links to all the major treasure forums. Since nobody is willing to make a demonstration, I must assume their LRLs don't work.

My question is:
Does the Rangertell company have an agent who is willing to demonstrate the Rangertell examiner finding treasure in my area (Southern California), and show me how to make the device work for me?
If so, please reply in the PM section.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Carl-NC]

So the bottom line is that hung is not a liar. He is an ok guy who is simply deluded, and makes involuntary false statements which he believes are true, regardless of the obvious preponderance of evidence to the contrary.

Most of the people I've met over the years who are devout dL'ers have been really nice folks, they just believe something that is not real. I'll bet Hung is a good guy as well; while we disagree about LRLs and vigorously debate them here, we might very well get along just fine in person.

When bogus claims are the result of honest self-deception, I don't hold it personally against the individual. That would be as silly as hating someone for their religious beliefs. But, of course, there are some folks who are in the LRL game for profit, and make claims they know to be bogus for the purpose of defrauding people. I have no problem going after them and exposing them for what they are.

- Carl

[Carl-NC]

I guess you wouldn't like it if I Anon, by choice not personality, insisted that Sam wrote and also edited your anti-LRL work to flood the world with disinformation.

Claim what you like. I put my real name on all my works and stand behind them 100%. And I am willing to personally defend those works.

Are you willing to stand behind your products, in person? You may have to before long. Pay close attention to the Finders forum (an Aussie group), your name has come up there a few times. Some of the blokes are considering a stop in Lavington to pay you a visit, and see if your products stand up to their scrutiny. You may want to be elsewhere.

- Carl

[Rangertell]

I already know your name is Vincent Blanes. I even have your phone number from a customer, that matches the entry for Blanes. And one of the Examiners I own, had your home address on the box. And you initially registered your web site under your real name. Oops, better be more careful with the ol' secret identity! :lol:



:D

Really, Carl. That's not important. A thousand Paypal buyers might also think that.
But the constructor of the unit is G. Brooker in all 1000 cases.
Viblertek is co-developer/distributor.

Or do you refer to Rolls-Royce as Royce?
Not many do, unless someone is telling them fibrications.

It's simple Inventors Rights. You think V. Blanes is the maker, so be it.
I guess you wouldn't like it if I Anon, by choice not personality, insisted that Sam wrote and also edited your anti-LRL work to flood the world with disinformation.

You wouldn't like it and wouldn't lay claim by name to anything that wasn't yours if you had scruples.

Not once has there been a post by a V. Blanes re these units. I dare you to produce same.

Imagine this scenario:

G. Brooker invents an LRL unit. V. Blanes co-develops it and writes anon as forum person. He can't though give his name because he hasn't the majority ownership, being co-developer/distributor. Viblertek doesn't allow any rep to give their names. He also would not silly enough to draw the obviously malicious claims of the alien skeptics by telling them.

Then along comes Carl who has an aversion to LRLs, fuelled by Sam, the notorious anti-LRL person, also writing complete and monstrous absurdities.

"This LRL , which I abhor and hate like all other LRLs, cannot possibly work. Why? There are thousands of users and 144/144 positive, time-sequence satisfying Ebay feedbacks (retractions being impossible) and more pics and testimonials than any other maker. V. Blanes the maker (a scientist , not the maker) who has a habit of not using his name, has been manufacturing this glued monstrosity ( a one-off experimental) and they just don't work. It's dowsing (despite perfect evidence to contrary on his website). You could do the same with wires (which would cost you a 1000 bucks just to properly find water.) Imagine charging 700 dollars. It's a ripoff ( despite this being 10 times cheaper than all other LRLs, and with more features and perfect track record.)"

There's no point in arguing and that's why the 2002-05 forums were all this little black duck thought it was worth.

Enough said and no further comment should be ascribed or expected re a very simple event viz an LRL succeeds and the skeptics will not get their facts right.

RTL&ES

[Rangertell]

Claim what you like. I put my real name on all my works and stand behind them 100%. And I am willing to personally defend those works.

Are you willing to stand behind your products, in person? You may have to before long. Pay close attention to the Finders forum (an Aussie group), your name has come up there a few times. Some of the blokes are considering a stop in Lavington to pay you a visit, and see if your products stand up to their scrutiny. You may want to be elsewhere.

- Carl
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Carl, you meathead :lol:

You have no choice. They are your products. These are not my products. Please observe the distinction. There are many distributors worldwide. For all you know they may be made in Arkansas by an old prospector's son and shipped here as the need arises. :|

This is the internet, not a telephone in downtown Missouri. Suffer me.

Finders, the store, was closed in odd circumstances. Greed on the part of others occurred to me. The store no longer exists. It was only your insincerity that caused a few posts to appear there because the guy had no other source. He just pointed them to your illegal report when someone asked about LRLs. I suspected you in alias form or Sam added a few strategically placed posts to create an impression. You Carl are the problem here with your defamatory **((#&&*^ ...and the rest! Sam is probably feeding you lies because he's stridently unpopular.

If you see something with your own eyes, are you going to quibble? Every Water Board van in the US has a pair of L rods in the back. It's a pipe and cable locators' stock in trade. But what we are dealing with here is much further down the track than dowsing. It's frequency driven, user-independent use of a machine.

Threatening and offensive posts are only adding weight to the possibility you alone , not just Sam, have been offending LRL people for years now using aliases. Very similar to various posts round the place designed to intimidate. I though suspect you are not like this unabetted.

If anyone wanted a demo they would contact rangertell.com and arrange one. I'm sure Mr. Brooker wouldn't mind, having done scores since 2002. One chap recently had it for two months after a demo, and received a refund because his body was a rare one in that his right and left were of equal polarity. All the others afaik were happy with what they saw. Not everyone though can use LRLs without personal help and in rare cases it can take a while. That's why any intending user is welcome.

Whatever makes you think Rangertell is not going to demo their product, it being part of their business acumen?

RTL&ES

[Leto]

And don't get me wrong, I do not deny that people who use LRLs never ever find anything. Occasionally (though rarely), they do. So do people who randomly dig holes*.

* There are numerous documented finds made by construction crews. The sum total of all these random recoveries likely exceeds the sum total of all LRL recoveries.

How true.
Do not forget that LRL proponents (as other T-hunters) do not dig randomly but usually in known historical sites and places.
Single rescue excavation of 100m2 site can yield more than 100 bronze small finds... Not to mention that almost all of those finds are out of reach for MDs from topsoil ... just too long-ranged.

[Rangertell]

Is it going to cost me to get a replacment?
Also my rt will move but only if i make it move.
How long wil it take to get a replacment?
I would like to get the replacment first and i will send my old unit .
I will keep working with it until I get the new one.
Do you have more way s of test that I can do?



We can send you a free brand-new Examiner to replace the one you have as a one-off. Please send your current unit once you receive it as part of the deal.

RTL&ES

[Carl-NC]

These are not my products. Please observe the distinction. There are many distributors worldwide. For all you know they may be made in Arkansas by an old prospector's son and shipped here as the need arises.

So now Ranger-Tell doesn't actually make Ranger-Tell? Sounds like Dell: "Someone else makes my LRLs, I don't know what inside them, it's not my fault!"

Ah, yes, it's always someone else's fault. Like blaming me because the Examiner I dissected looked like a crap job. But then, so did the next one I got.

Have fun with the blokes from Finder's.

- Carl

[Rangertell]

Haha.:D We got along well with them. Bought many a contraption at Finders. One being a very nice leather-bound 'Detector Record' book which soon filled with thousands of Examiner key techniques that would sell for thousands. These have not been released but may one day accompany a Super-Examiner.:)

Matter of fact Finders was the only supply store Rangertell frequented on at least a hundred full scale trips to the Golden Triangle. We stayed in the hotel next door every time. There was also an interesting connection re metal detector advancement involved.:)

I've told Kellyco about your reports and ahem..they are on their way to see you. Seems the Lectra Search, which they sell or sold, was their pet LRL and they think your dissection leaves a lot to be desired. That's right, Kellyco, the world's largest metal detector concern.:D

Have fun with the blokes from Kellyco. What? You don't know them?:lol::lol::lol::D

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Metal Detector

Mental Defective


Similar sounding words, aren't they. I said, Carl...similar sounding words aren't they.. READ MY LIPS!:angry:



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Must go now. Always a pleasure

Rangertelly

[Steve in MS]

Hmmm, must have missed something along the way, who is this Sam that is being mentioned?....Maybe LRL sellers are picking up vibes from this Sam fellow:lol::lol::lol::lol:.
The Ranger still looks like a dowsing stick to me, with added electronics, do they help with the pivot swing:D:D:D:D?
Maybe they have mounted a servo-drive to them:D:D:razz::razz::lol::lol:.
Hey Ranger, come to the US and do a blind test to prove your product works.
Since you have all those satisfied customers, maybe you can find one that is good enough with it to put it under a camera, let's get it taped for all the world to see the outcome, whichever way it goes.
As you are aware, only LRLs products have a big question mark on just how useful they are at what they were designed to do, most users of conventional metal detectors don't use LRLs, here's your chance to prove and then sell a ton of your devices to these users of metal detectors.
I am sure you believe your products work but the idea is to show us that they will do what you are convinced of.
Oh, BTW, we need credible proof and would like to see if most people can use your product effectively.

[Clondike Clad]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rangertell
Hi Clondike


Rangertell here. We will replace your Examiner on your sending it back to us.


RTL&ES
Is it going to cost me to get a replacment?
Also my rt will move but only if i make it move.
How long wil it take to get a replacment?
I would like to get the replacment first and i will send my old unit .
I will keep working with it until I get the new one.
Do you have more way s of test that I can do?

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Answered respectively:

In this case it will only cost you the postage.
It's gone.
Seven to 10 days from RT receiving your current unit.
Like ebay we can't do that but I will see.
It works then to some extent?
Tech support is free.

This forum is different to others I have used. For one I can't find the Reply button on the posts. It appears to be appended.

RTL&ESNo I don't know if it will work,I can;t get it to do anything.
Ebay!!! what do Ebay have to do with my unit?????????????????????
If the new unit WORKS why not send me one and I WILL POST ALL THE GOOD ON THIS UNIT IN CARL'S FACE. A WIN WIN FOR BOTH OF US.
I DON'T WANT TO LOSE MY OLD UNIT IN THE MAIL OR ETC.
I KNOW OF PEOPLE WHO LOST A UNIT AND DID NOT GET A REPLACMENT UNIT. MY UNIT IS AL LEAST FIVE YEARS OLD.
WHAT WILL YOU REPLACE IT WITH?
WHY NOT LET ME KEEP THE OLD UNIT AND CHECK IT WITH THE NEW UNIT. THE KEY IF THE NEW UNIT WORKS....I WILL BE POSTING MANY FINDS AND YOU KNOW WHAT THAT WILL DO FOR YOU....:)

[Clondike Clad]

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Carl, you meathead :lol:

You have no choice. They are your products. These are not my products. Please observe the distinction. There are many distributors worldwide. For all you know they may be made in Arkansas by an old prospector's son and shipped here as the need arises. :|

This is the internet, not a telephone in downtown Missouri. Suffer me.

Finders, the store, was closed in odd circumstances. Greed on the part of others occurred to me. The store no longer exists. It was only your insincerity that caused a few posts to appear there because the guy had no other source. He just pointed them to your illegal report when someone asked about LRLs. I suspected you in alias form or Sam added a few strategically placed posts to create an impression. You Carl are the problem here with your defamatory **((#&&*^ ...and the rest! Sam is probably feeding you lies because he's stridently unpopular.

If you see something with your own eyes, are you going to quibble? Every Water Board van in the US has a pair of L rods in the back. It's a pipe and cable locators' stock in trade. But what we are dealing with here is much further down the track than dowsing. It's frequency driven, user-independent use of a machine.

Threatening and offensive posts are only adding weight to the possibility you alone , not just Sam, have been offending LRL people for years now using aliases. Very similar to various posts round the place designed to intimidate. I though suspect you are not like this unabetted.

If anyone wanted a demo they would contact rangertell.com and arrange one. I'm sure Mr. Brooker wouldn't mind, having done scores since 2002. One chap recently had it for two months after a demo, and received a refund because his body was a rare one in that his right and left were of equal polarity. All the others afaik were happy with what they saw. Not everyone though can use LRLs without personal help and in rare cases it can take a while. That's why any intending user is welcome.

Whatever makes you think Rangertell is not going to demo their product, it being part of their business acumen?

RTL&ESthis is new information to me!!!!!!!
How to I find out if my right and left were of equal polarity?
I can get most anything to work.
Do you have a way for me to find out about my right and left polarity?
My unit could be OK?
I don't care what others think, but if I can get my unit working I will be like Hung.

[Rangertell]

No I don't know if it will work,I can;t get it to do anything.
Ebay!!! what do Ebay have to do with my unit?????????????????????
If the new unit WORKS why not send me one and I WILL POST ALL THE GOOD ON THIS UNIT IN CARL'S FACE. A WIN WIN FOR BOTH OF US.
I DON'T WANT TO LOSE MY OLD UNIT IN THE MAIL OR ETC.
I KNOW OF PEOPLE WHO LOST A UNIT AND DID NOT GET A REPLACMENT UNIT. MY UNIT IS AL LEAST FIVE YEARS OLD.
WHAT WILL YOU REPLACE IT WITH?
WHY NOT LET ME KEEP THE OLD UNIT AND CHECK IT WITH THE NEW UNIT. THE KEY IF THE NEW UNIT WORKS....I WILL BE POSTING MANY FINDS AND YOU KNOW WHAT THAT WILL DO FOR YOU....:)

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When you buy from Ebay you pay up front. In the same way it's an honor system in part. Forget that though, we have decided to send it anyway. Just send me your address by PM and it will be sent. It will go week after next since demand is high and G.Brooker can't keep up.

Best of luck.

PS: Worst day in the State of Victoria's history re bushfires. Worst heatwave in 200 years still going on. This is the 3rd week of mainly above 100F, every day. Climate change? Maybe. Up to 100 deaths, hundreds of houses up in smoke. Not good.

RTL&ES

[Rangertell]

this is new information to me!!!!!!!
How to I find out if my right and left were of equal polarity?
I can get most anything to work.
Do you have a way for me to find out about my right and left polarity?
My unit could be OK?
I don't care what others think, but if I can get my unit working I will be like Hung.

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CC


The number of people who can't is very small. If people you know can't get it to work then the Examiner you have is not working. They need to tune it to work for them each time.:)

RTL&ES

[Qiaozhi]

If I understand this correctly - RangerTell neither designed or manufacture the Examiner. In effect they are just a sales outlet. Is that correct?

Regarding the person who (through a freak of nature) appears to have identical polarity on both sides of his body - what type of polarity are you referring to? ... electrical charge, magnetic polarity, quantum spin, or something else?

[hung]

I've told Kellyco about your reports and ahem..they are on their way to see you. Seems the Lectra Search, which they sell or sold, was their pet LRL and they think your dissection leaves a lot to be desired. That's right, Kellyco, the world's largest metal detector concern.:D

Have fun with the blokes from Kellyco. What? You don't know them?:lol::lol::lol::D



Yes, this is the risk people run when publicly bashing things without knowledge and proof.
I wouldn't want to be under his skin now...:rolleyes:

[Rangertell]

If I understand this correctly - RangerTell neither designed or manufacture the Examiner. In effect they are just a sales outlet. Is that correct?

Regarding the person who (through a freak of nature) appears to have identical polarity on both sides of his body - what type of polarity are you referring to? ... electrical charge, magnetic polarity, quantum spin, or something else?

...........

No. It's RT's. There is a difference.

Electrical charge. Millivolts passing through left and right arms.

Not available to answer questions except via email. :yo:

RTL&ES

[Carl-NC]

I've told Kellyco about your reports and ahem..they are on their way to see you. Seems the Lectra Search, which they sell or sold, was their pet LRL and they think your dissection leaves a lot to be desired.

The week after I posted my Lectra Search report, they abruptly quit selling them. I've challenged them directly but they won't respond. So they already know about me.

[Rangertell]

The week after I posted my Lectra Search report, they abruptly quit selling them. I've challenged them directly but they won't respond. So they already know about me.

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Of course Carl!





:barf:






THEY SOLD OUT!!

Sorry I don't have enough time to engage in silly forum behavior. Get it? It's a totally serious concern that I'm glad some people perceive as a perfect scientific gift. I'm mildly disappointed that others who can't use the units resort to compromising privacy by being supercilious. :yo:

[Theseus]

Yes, this is the risk people run when publicly bashing things without knowledge and proof.
I wouldn't want to be under his skin now...:rolleyes:

Hmmm.... back so soon, Hung. I thought you told us you were through here. :rolleyes:

I don't think it's been a day; only a few hours (maybe). Kind of like a bad penny. :lol:

You are almost a carbon copy of Dell. When it gets too hot here you duck and run. Did you notice Dell is taking a break right now? Why? Because the truth hurts and after awhile his ego needs a break. But he will return, just like you couldn't stay away either. :D

[hung]

Hmmm.... back so soon, Hung. I thought you told us you were through here. :rolleyes:

I don't think it's been a day; only a few hours (maybe). Kind of like a bad penny. :lol:

You are almost a carbon copy of Dell. When it gets too hot here you duck and run. Did you notice Dell is taking a break right now? Why? Because the truth hurts and after awhile his ego needs a break. But he will return, just like you couldn't stay away either. :D

Yes. I'm trough with my RT expanations and I did not post anything anymore about it after I said I wouldn't. My intention was only help CC.

Now for the amusement skeptics like you produce, this is priceless. That's why I'm still in geotech after all those years.:D

Unfortunately I have to leave now as today is my birthday and there's a party waiting for me.:cheers:

[Clondike Clad]

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CC


The number of people who can't is very small. If people you know can't get it to work then the Examiner you have is not working. They need to tune it to work for them each time.:)

RTL&ESWhere do I take mesurment on my arms?
I has access to a lab, and can be tested, Pm me on how to do this thanks.

[Theseus]

Yes. I'm trough[sic] with my RT expanations[sic] and I did not post anything anymore about it after I said I wouldn't. My intention was only help CC.

Ohhhhhhhh... I see. Your previous posting sounded rather all encompassing and final. I quote: "I'm done with these guys here."

Thanks for the clarification. Besides, this place is the most popular and hottest LRL/Dowsing forum on the Internet right now. It's a little like Lay's Potato Chips - you can't eat just one.

Over the years I've come to understand one very important attribute of all dowsing (LRL) proponents and practitioners; that is they apparently derive far more enjoyment and satisfaction from debating their "belief systems and craft", than they ever do from actually doing what they preach. ;)

BTW, when exactly does the "debunkering of the big mouths" begin? I've been watching for it, but not seen anything yet that resembles "debunkering" :D

ps: Happy Birthday - don't eat too much cake and ice cream, it could throw off the polarity between your right and left hands. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Qiaozhi]

...........

No. It's RT's. There is a difference.
I don't understand your reply. What are you trying to say?

Electrical charge. Millivolts passing through left and right arms.

Not available to answer questions except via email. :yo:

RTL&ES
How do you think this voltage is being generated, and what relevance does it have for treasure hunting?
Please elucidate us.

[Qiaozhi]

It's a totally serious concern that I'm glad some people perceive as a perfect scientific gift.
Does anybody understand this statement? Because it has me flummoxed. :???:

[Theseus]

Where do I take mesurment on my arms?
I has access to a lab, and can be tested, Pm me on how to do this thanks.

Locate a digital volt meter. Put the range selector at the lowest (millivolt) range. Plug test leads into the meter and grasp the bare tips of the test leads (one for each hand) between your thumb and forefinger. If there is an indication of some kind, regardless of polarity --you are good to go, and there is nothing wrong with "you".

The excuse that an operator may not carry enough of a body charge or the wrong polarity is such a very old and tired excuse. Claude Cochran and Carl Anderson were using this same lame excuse over 30 years ago. Is it any wonder that Vincent Blanes would have adopted it and is still using it today. It was a ruse and a cop out decades ago, and it still is today. Surprising? No. Vincent Blanes hasn't had an original idea yet, and it's a little late in the game to start with brand new innovations. :razz:

The idea of disguising a regular dowsing wand with attached do-nothing electronic gadgets is hardly new and innovative. That snake oil trick has been around for a very long time; and for good reason, because there is still a very small number of folks that can be taken in by it. :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Carl-NC]

Does anybody understand this statement? Because it has me flummoxed. :???:

Mr. Blanes has the gift of incomprehensible writing, which is quite useful when you are trying to avoid providing real answers. It's as if the only reason that inexperience can be justified as a tool for lack of compatibility with a product that was hailed a qualifier in performance with the demise of suitable results, and then some.

Ouch, that one hurt.

[Steve in MS]

...........

No. It's RT's. There is a difference.

Electrical charge. Millivolts passing through left and right arms.

Not available to answer questions except via email. :yo:

RTL&ES

What is this "Not available to questions except via email":D:D:razz::razz::lol::lol:?
Being this is a "unfriendly" forum to LRL salesmen or a skeptics forum, what a good opportunity not only to educate us skeptics but the rest of the world about how your product works.....unless you have something to hide
:D:D:D:D:D:razz::razz::lol::lol::D:D:razz::razz::l ol::lol::D:razz::razz:.
Let's get a test setup for this Ranger, put it under cameras for the whole world to see how it works, I can bet you one thing, if there were questions about a Whites detector, it would be shown under given perimeters to be able to detect metals:D:D:razz::razz::lol::lol:.

[J_Player]

Electrical charge. Millivolts passing through left and right arms.

Not available to answer questions except via email. :yo:
RTL&ES

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi
How do you think this voltage is being generated, and what relevance does it have for treasure hunting?
Please elucidate us.
I can recall something about millivolts and hands associated with the Ranger Tell Examiner. I once read a report made by a Ranger Tell user on the Ranger Tell Website where the user said he believes it is necessary for the user (operator) to hold the Ranger Tell in his hand because his body completes a circuit between the Ranger Tell and the ground.

My first thought was that if his statement was correct, then he is collecting the atmospheric charge from the atmosphere in the manner of a lightning rod, but without the lightning. Thus, any small variance in the atmospheric charge in the vicinity of the Ranger Tell antenna would have a path to ground through the operator's body. I imagined that on an average day, we would see some fraction of a microamp of atmospheric current leaking to ground through a person's body, which could vary greatly depending on the weather, humidity, etc.

As we recall, hung looked to the Rangertell web site to find an alternative way to connect a DMM to the Ranger Tell without opening the enclosure. The method he used included handling the probes with his hands while trying to read the millivolts on the Rangertell. The meter error may well have included readings of some of the atmospheric charge in the air trying to leak to ground as well as other man-made electrical interferences.

But now we hear the explanation that there is are millivolts passing through the right and left arms. I suppose millivolts don't really pass anywhere, since they are simply a voltage potential. Perhaps Rangertell meant to say that microamps pass through the right and left arms as indicated by a different millivolt potential in either arm. If this is his meaning, then we can conclude that his belief is that different people have varying abilities to pass current (or charge) through their bodies when measured through the right and left arm. In other words, The human organism is able to generate either a charge or a resistance that will help or hinder the movement of atmospheric charge that can flow through his right or left arm to ground.

I suppose when you set a DMM to the millivolt scale and connect the leads between your arm and a Ranger Tell, you will have perfect evidence of the millivolt variations, which will even vary more as ojects are moved around the operator with the meter connected to his hands. I would also expect to see more variations as the meter leads swing through the air from their dangling position, moving to and fro from the operator's body.

At this point, my discussion of millivolts and microamps enters the abyss of speculation, as neither Rangertell or I have shown any substance to suppoort the following theoretical possibilities.
1. The small amount of charge which flows through all things on the surface of the earth will tend to favour easy paths to ground, including pointed conductors, and any conductor as opposed to an insulator. Thus a person holding a Ranger Tell would appear to be a favourable path when compared to a plastic pipe the same height from the ground. But when we consider the varying polarities of people as explained by Rangertell, some people will have more favourable characteristics than others. Only a few rare exceptions will be people who block this movement of charge.
2. Since it has been stated that the Ranger Tell must be calibrated to the person, this would further indicate that each person is seen differently by the Ranger Tell apparatus.
3. The calculator buttons, while not physically capable of changing the frequency of the clock or strobes inside the calculator, must somehow identify and discriminate the target material. (This is a strange one to understand). In addition, any power that is broadcast from the calculator will find it's strongest transients in the area of the display drivers, which are still extremely small in RF broadcast terms. If these transients were to be broadcast, then they would need perhaps an RF power stage and a way to couple the power output to an antenna, which does not seem to exist in the Ranger Tell. Perhaps micro-transients from the display drivers are being sensed by the operator, and further influencing the charge passing through his right arm?

I s'pose it's time to stop speculating. The theoretical possibilities of how it works are endless. :nerd:

Best wishes,
J_P

[joecoin]

Locate a digital volt meter. Put the range selector at the lowest (millivolt) range. Plug test leads into the meter and grasp the bare tips of the test leads (one for each hand) between your thumb and forefinger. If there is an indication of some kind, regardless of polarity --you are good to go, and there is nothing wrong with "you".


Is that AC or DC? Which hand should I hold the positive lead in? Is this safe, or should I wear full body armor ?

[putrechigi]

Yes. I'm trough with my RT expanations and I did not post anything anymore about it after I said I wouldn't. My intention was only help CC.

Now for the amusement skeptics like you produce, this is priceless. That's why I'm still in geotech after all those years.:D

Unfortunately I have to leave now as today is my birthday and there's a party waiting for me.:cheers:

it's incredible:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: today is my birthday too happy birthday hung:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D for me is 35 and you?

[Theseus]

Is that AC or DC? Which hand should I hold the positive lead in? Is this safe, or should I wear full body armor ?

AC or DC??? Doesn't matter, try both.

Which hand for the positive lead? Doesn't matter. The polarity displayed will be whatever minute charge of static electricity you happen to have at the time, and will vary drastically.

Is it safe, or should you wear body armor? :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

I like someone with a good sense of humor. :D

[Steve in MS]

Static electricity would always vary, not only person to person but probably with the kind of shoes someone wears and weather conditions.
Maybe hook up the Ranger to a model T spark coil and it is no telling how far it will detect:D:D:razz::razz::lol::lol:.

[Esteban]

HUNG:


HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!:thumb: :cheers:

[Esteban]

PUTRECHIGI:

HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!:thumb::cheers:

[Rangertell]

Does anybody understand this statement? Because it has me flummoxed. :???:

.................................................. .....................

Since I have not posted on Carl's forum until now, and this only to arrange a replacement for CC, I was not aware editing was limited to one hour after posting.

I was editing it to "It's a serious concern I'm glad 99% of people perceive as a scientific first." when I received the editing time's up message.

I am not available to answer questions because I am in transit and have only an email mobile not a laptop. Or did you think the smilie was throwing a V sign? :yo: Also , the entire question of LRLs has been exhaustively analyzed in forums from 2002-2005. There is no nuance possible that isn't just another bashing of a product or concept by those who haven't seen or used one. You can lead a horse to water, but believe me, from a complete analysis of this skeptical phenomenon, the animal won't drink. I am not going to try and convince it again. It has a nasty habit of kicking when confronted with the truth.:angry:

Unfortunately, any incomprehensible writing has a logical answer if one considers it from outside the skeptical box that too much idle negation creates.

As far as arranging movie treatment of the Examiner, this is amply shown on the CD that accompanies the product. There is no scam when refunds are cheerfully given. Anyone who knows LRLs would laugh at the movie idea since the only guarantee no-one is moving the unit subtly is for a user to try it himself. Any film, and there have been attempts, have been met with complete skepticism. Any scientific report has always been a setup in the eyes of skeptics. Try it and decide for yourself is the only answer.

I doubt CC has a polarity problem. Very few people do. Basically the aerial formed by the human body needs to lie between normal parameters. You can use a millivolt meter to determine this by holding the ends but we prefer to use the Examiner itself. :)

I have tried to answer your questions via PM where possible.

Byeya!

[Rangertell]

What is this "Not available to questions except via email":D:D:razz::razz::lol::lol:?
Being this is a "unfriendly" forum to LRL salesmen or a skeptics forum, what a good opportunity not only to educate us skeptics but the rest of the world about how your product works.....unless you have something to hide
:D:D:D:D:D:razz::razz::lol::lol::D:D:razz::razz::l ol::lol::D:razz::razz:.
Let's get a test setup for this Ranger, put it under cameras for the whole world to see how it works, I can bet you one thing, if there were questions about a Whites detector, it would be shown under given perimeters to be able to detect metals:D:D:razz::razz::lol::lol:.

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Since I have not posted on Carl's forum until now, and this only to arrange a replacement for CC, I was not aware editing was limited to one hour after posting.

I was editing it to "It's a serious concern I'm glad 99% of people perceive as a scientific first." when I received the editing time's up message.

I am not available to answer questions because I am in transit and have only an email mobile not a laptop. Or did you think the smilie was throwing a V sign? :yo: Also , the entire question of LRLs has been exhaustively analyzed in forums from 2002-2005. There is no nuance possible that isn't just another bashing of a product or concept by those who haven't seen or used one. You can lead a horse to water, but believe me, from a complete analysis of this skeptical phenomenon, the animal won't drink. I am not going to try and convince it again. It has a nasty habit of kicking when confronted with the truth.:angry:

Unfortunately, any incomprehensible writing has a logical answer if one considers it from outside the skeptical box that too much idle negation creates.

As far as arranging movie treatment of the Examiner, this is amply shown on the CD that accompanies the product. There is no scam when refunds are cheerfully given. Anyone who knows LRLs would laugh at the movie idea since the only guarantee no-one is moving the unit subtly is for a user to try it himself. Any film, and there have been attempts, have been met with complete skepticism. Any scientific report has always been a setup in the eyes of skeptics. Try it and decide for yourself is the only answer.

I doubt CC has a polarity problem. Very few people do. Basically the aerial formed by the human body needs to lie between normal parameters. You can use a millivolt meter to determine this by holding the ends but we prefer to use the Examiner itself. :)

I have tried to answer your questions via PM where possible.


Byeya!

[Rangertell]

Locate a digital volt meter. Put the range selector at the lowest (millivolt) range. Plug test leads into the meter and grasp the bare tips of the test leads (one for each hand) between your thumb and forefinger. If there is an indication of some kind, regardless of polarity --you are good to go, and there is nothing wrong with "you".

The excuse that an operator may not carry enough of a body charge or the wrong polarity is such a very old and tired excuse. Claude Cochran and Carl Anderson were using this same lame excuse over 30 years ago. Is it any wonder that Vincent Blanes would have adopted it and is still using it today. It was a ruse and a cop out decades ago, and it still is today. Surprising? No. Vincent Blanes hasn't had an original idea yet, and it's a little late in the game to start with brand new innovations. :razz:

The idea of disguising a regular dowsing wand with attached do-nothing electronic gadgets is hardly new and innovative. That snake oil trick has been around for a very long time; and for good reason, because there is still a very small number of folks that can be taken in by it. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Just before I go I though I'd make one thing clear to those that don't know. The post above by Theseus uses Dell's picture without his permission. It is Sam's writing style (e.g.'Lay's chips..' he used all the time, 'melding' in earlier posts also) yet it could also be Carl. Evidence that Sam was Carl.

In brief , it is either Sam or Carl yet it is Theseus, and using Dell's website picture. So what have we here?

Dishonesty!! Pure and simple. I would not believe anything written here or in Carl's reports. Particularly anything to do with Rangertell, it's staff, LRL concepts that are not RT's but generic etc.

Everyone knows that there is a difference between the left and right anatomy that assists in laying a base frequency for an LRL. What a coincidence that Sam and Carl are left-handed, and an ex-NASA engineer told me they cannot use LRLs. Lefties have problems because of the polarity difference.

:nono:

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Confucius say: "Man with wide brush red face"

[Fred]

The post above by Theseus uses Dell's picture without his permission. It is Sam's writing style ('Lay's chips..'he used all the time) yet it could also be Carl.

In brief , it is either Sam or Carl yet it is Theseus, and using Dell's website picture. So what have we here?
Ask Dell: he used a picture IN HIS AVATAR that wasn´t his , for months.

[Theseus]

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Just before I go I though I'd make one thing clear to those that don't know.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Since saying you couldn't answer questions here, and telling us all you can't stick around, you've made more postings than some members have in the entire forum.

I guess this forum really is very captivating, isn't it Vincent. :razz:

[Theseus]

Vincent said; “Anyone who knows LRLs would laugh at the movie idea since the only guarantee no-one is moving the unit subtly is for a user to try it himself.”

As obvious and seemingly innocuous a suggestion as this statement might appear; it is really one of the oldest tricks in the LRL salesman’s bag of tricks. (Could we have expected anything else.) It has been used countless times, even before Vincent could spell LRL.

For example, here is the same trick, but coming from a different Wallet-miner: “If you wish to determine if MFD will work for you, bend a pair of L-Rods from coat hangers, wire, or Brass welding rods. Lay a garden hose on the ground and turn on the water. Hold the rods parallel with each other and the ground and walk across the garden hose. If there is no interference the rods will react by crossing and aligning themselves with the electrical/magnetic field generated by the water running through the garden hose.”

There is no need in identifying the author of that little deception-laced ruse since most all of you already know his identity.

My point is, these little don’t take my word for it, “try it for yourself” tricks, are nothing more than an exercise in mind (thought) manipulation. They are done for the express purpose of getting the “mark” to sell themselves on the idea that real external physical forces are causing the L-rod to move, and the operator couldn’t stop it if they wanted to. Of course the operation of the trick depends completely on an ideomotor response from the operator, but the “mark” is totally unaware they are being played for a fool by one of the oldest cons in the world. And, as is evidenced by a few here, once the “mark” has experienced the “dowsing sensation” (not knowing or understanding the ideomotor effect behind it) they become a devoted believer with virtually an unshakable belief that signal lines and strange unexplainable (as yet undiscovered) physical forces are totally responsible for all L-rod movement.

Naturally they are dead wrong, but that fact never seems to sink in right away – if ever.

Plus, as has been pointed out before, even in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, most “believer/practitioners” will not sway from their convoluted and erroneous thinking, about what really causes all dowsing contraptions to operate. Therefore, these folks become excellent targets for the LRL Wallet-miners, and easily succumb to the tried and true “try it for yourself” gag.

You would think the Wallet-miners would come up with a new scheme every now and again, but I suppose there really is no need to if the old tricks still work.
:D

[Rangertell]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Since saying you couldn't answer questions here, and telling us all you can't stick around, you've made more postings than some members have in the entire forum.

I guess this forum really is very captivating, isn't it Vincent. :razz:

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Take care!

C.T.

[Steve in MS]

Ranger, the only problem with the video that comes with your product is that it is a promotional.
Surely it would have nothing but praise for your product and nothing about its limitations, false signals or the effectiveness of your product.
I will have to give you one credit however, if you truly offer a money back refund (is that full money back?) for those who can't make it work for them.
There are two lingering questions though and this is not a "bash",
does it locate metals and if so under what conditions:D?

[Qiaozhi]

. I was editing it to "It's a serious concern I'm glad 99% of people perceive as a scientific first." when I received the editing time's up message.
Unfortunately, your modified statement is still gobbledygook. :frown:

Unfortunately, any incomprehensible writing has a logical answer if one considers it from outside the skeptical box that too much idle negation creates.
You can say that again!
It's as if the words have converged to say whatever they mean. :rolleyes:

[Qiaozhi]

Confucius say: "Man with wide brush red face"
Confucius said a lot of things, but he never said that. :nono:

[Qiaozhi]

Vincent said; “Anyone who knows LRLs would laugh at the movie idea since the only guarantee no-one is moving the unit subtly is for a user to try it himself.”

This is the whole crux of the problem. The ideomotor effect is very compelling, and leads to a self-deception that is difficult to undo.

This is why such pursuits as ouija boards, table tipping and pendulums were such common practice is Victorian times. Even today, when we should be more enlightened, such pseudo-scientific nonsense is still present.
Dowsing is a good example.

As Einstein said:
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe."

[Qiaozhi]

Everyone knows that there is a difference between the left and right anatomy that assists in laying a base frequency for an LRL. What a coincidence that Sam and Carl are left-handed, and an ex-NASA engineer told me they cannot use LRLs. Lefties have problems because of the polarity difference.
There is a high probability that you have shot yourself in the foot with this statement. :shocked: I would bet there are many left-handed dowsers out there who would disagree with you.

It just demonstrates how nonsensical this has become.

Yoda: "Many problem with sentence construction you have."

[Theseus]

There is a high probability that you have shot yourself in the foot with this statement. :shocked: I would bet there are many left-handed dowsers out there who would disagree with you.

It just demonstrates how nonsensical this has become.

Yoda: "Many problem with sentence construction you have."

I agree. I can't believe all dowsers, or operators of LRLs are all right-handed. What would that have to do with anything anyway? I fail to see the connection.

Also, I didn't know Carl was a lefty. Did you know that? And, who is Sam and why does it matter if he is a lefty? As long as we are pulling names out of the thin air; what about Frank and Tim and Jim and Ted and Mary and Sue and Clyde and Karl and Lewis? Vincent, I'll bet there are plenty of other names you left out that are left-handed, and now they feel real bad they can't ever make an LRL work. :D Yeah, right! (Actually, all they really have to do is walk over a garden hose with bent coat hanger and trust me it will work fine for them.)

Vincent, do you have any idea how ludicrous and stupid you sound? And, all in a failed attempt to convince those here that you are NOT selling a scam dowsing rod. You should really be ashamed of yourself. :nono:

[Theseus]

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Take care!

C.T.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: You just can't quite leave, can you.

[Rangertell]

There is a high probability that you have shot yourself in the foot with this statement. :shocked: I would bet there are many left-handed dowsers out there who would disagree with you.

It just demonstrates how nonsensical this has become.

Yoda: "Many problem with sentence construction you have."

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Just keeping you on your toes. New Paragraph needed. Not sentence construction error. Unfortunately the language has no stress character sans italics.

Your Very Own LRL IQ test

Re some facts placed before you as pearls are before......? Q.1.

Q.1A If a company/guy sells 1000 units and attracts perfect feedback except from a skeptic or two, is the product 100%, therefore not less or a scam?

Q.2. If the price of the Rangertell units sold are so low that more people have bought them over the time period than any other, would this mean that it was the best ever because of the critical examination this implies?

Q.3. If there are more testimonials and evidence on the website of this company than any other, would it make little sense to knock it?

Q.4. If there was no doubt about the facts in the foregoing statements since they could all be corroborated through a selling venue that would not allow retractions without mentioning it, would it be completely futile to attack the company's product? Equally would the fact that the Testimonials being so style variant etc and testable by using grammar measuring programs and emails in some cases mean they can't be fabrications?

Q.5. Would these facts mean that the RT Examiner is arguably the best LRL ever?

Q.6. Why did you answer NO to all the above when the answer was YES?


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A. :lol: Duh! I'm skeptical!

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Yeah , and I haven't hit you over the people and into the street . Do the math.:)

What I have to say is no good to you fellas unless you can read.:lol:


Your Rating: UNCOUTH MORON

Please don't bad penny me like you did to Hung because that was your last chance to avail yourself of info re said product from the company. Unless of course you make sense. :rolleyes:

You'll know soon enough.;)

PS: It always strikes me as amazing that you also have problems with ownership...of companies, inventions and such. Sure you guys have even found a plugged nickel that you may have had to contest ownership for? But I won't test you again. Bwahahahaha!

[Clondike Clad]

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Just keeping you on your toes. New Paragraph needed. Not sentence construction error. Unfortunately the language has no stress character sans italics.

Your very own LRL IQ test

Re some facts placed before you as pearls are before......? Q.1.

Q.1A If a company/guy sells 1000 units and attracts perfect feedback except from a skeptic or two, is the product 100%, therefore not less or a scam?

Q.2. If the price of the Rangertell units sold are so low that more people have bought them over the time period than any other, would this mean that it was the best ever because of the critical examination this implies?

Q.3. If there are more testimonials and evidence on the website of this company than any other, would it make little sense to knock it?

Q.4. If there was no doubt about the facts in the foregoing statements since they could all be corroborated through a selling venue that would not allow retractions without mentioning it, would it be completely futile to attack the company's product? Equally would the fact that the Testimonials being so style variant etc and testable by using grammar measuring programs and emails in some cases mean they can't be fabrications?

Q.5. Would these facts mean that the RT Examiner is arguably the best LRL ever?

Q.6. Why did you answer NO to all the above when the answer was YES?


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A. :lol: Duh! I'm skeptical!

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Yeah , and I haven't hit you over the people and into the street . Do the math.:)

What I have to say is no good to you fellas unless you can read.:lol:


Your Rating: UNCOUTH MORON

Please don't bad penny me like you did to Hung because that was your last chance to avail yourself of info re said product from the company. Unless of course you make sense. :rolleyes:

You'll know soon enough.;)
I AM SHOCKED THAT A CONPONY WILL TALK LIKE THIS??????????????????.
HOW IN THE HELL COULD A GUY TRUST THIS.
MY ONLY HOPE OF GETTING MY UNIT TO WORK IS NOW HUNG.
i WAS THINKIN HARD ABOUT SHIPPING MY UNIT AND SOMETHING TOLD ME TO KEEP IT.. WITH ALL THE FIRES AND THING GOING ON DOWN UNDER.
i JUST DON'T WANT TO LOSE IT OR BE TRICKED INTO BUYING A SECOND UNIT.

NOW WHY ARE YOU TALKING LIKE THIS?????????? THAT IS TOO LOW FOR ANY COMPONY TO DO.

[Qiaozhi]

I AM SHOCKED THAT A CONPONY WILL TALK LIKE THIS??????????????????.
HOW IN THE HELL COULD A GUY TRUST THIS.
MY ONLY HOPE OF GETTING MY UNIT TO WORK IS NOW HUNG.
i WAS THINKIN HARD ABOUT SHIPPING MY UNIT AND SOMETHING TOLD ME TO KEEP IT.. WITH ALL THE FIRES AND THING GOING ON DOWN UNDER.
i JUST DON'T WANT TO LOSE IT OR BE TRICKED INTO BUYING A SECOND UNIT.

NOW WHY ARE YOU TALKING LIKE THIS?????????? THAT IS TOO LOW FOR ANY COMPONY TO DO.
I agree. This doesn't sound like a very professional company to me either. :frown:

If we had not already come to expect such behavior, it would be quite shocking and despicable. :rolleyes:

If a company/guy sells 1000 units and attracts perfect feedback except from a skeptic or two, is the product 100%, therefore not less or a scam?

The sale of 1,000s of units does not imply that the product actually works. You only have look at the sales of magnetic bracelets (for supposedly curing arthritis and rheumatism), psychic crystals, palm readings, and other pseudo-scientific garbage, to understand that this is a nonsense claim.

I would advise you to peddle your wares elsewhere than Geotech, unless you believe that any advertising is good advertising. :nono:

[Rangertell]

I AM SHOCKED THAT A CONPONY WILL TALK LIKE THIS??????????????????.
HOW IN THE HELL COULD A GUY TRUST THIS.
MY ONLY HOPE OF GETTING MY UNIT TO WORK IS NOW HUNG.
i WAS THINKIN HARD ABOUT SHIPPING MY UNIT AND SOMETHING TOLD ME TO KEEP IT.. WITH ALL THE FIRES AND THING GOING ON DOWN UNDER.
i JUST DON'T WANT TO LOSE IT OR BE TRICKED INTO BUYING A SECOND UNIT.

NOW WHY ARE YOU TALKING LIKE THIS?????????? THAT IS TOO LOW FOR ANY COMPONY TO DO.

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You will find that the company offered to send you another unit gratis. There was no need to send the first until you received the second. The offer still stands and there is no catch. If in doubt send Rangertell an email on their site.

As far as general comical forumspeak, you will find the concept goes back many years and seems to have worked. I know it sounds different but that's how it was 2002-2005. The forum is not the place to be professional because it's seen as advertising by the others. Please take with a grain of salt. The skeptics treated it as a joke, so I pulled their mouths a little further. Intellectual sarcasm. :)

[Rangertell]

I agree. This doesn't sound like a very professional company to me either. :frown:

If we had not already come to expect such behavior, it would be quite shocking and despicable. :rolleyes:



The sale of 1,000s of units does not imply that the product actually works. You only have look at the sales of magnetic bracelets (for supposedly curing arthritis and rheumatism), psychic crystals, palm readings, and other pseudo-scientific garbage, to understand that this is a nonsense claim.

I would advise you to peddle your wares elsewhere than Geotech, unless you believe that any advertising is good advertising. :nono:

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Magnetic bracelets don't sell for 800 dollars. In order to comment professionally you need first of all to be professional. So far you're a rank amateur obliging buffoonery to match your lack of seriousness. No offence. :nono:

[Qiaozhi]

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Magnetic bracelets don't sell for 800 dollars. In order to comment professionally you need first of all to be professional. So far you're a rank amateur obliging buffoonery to match your lack of seriousness. No offence. :nono:
Spoken like a wallet-miner. :lol:

[Rangertell]

Spoken like a wallet-miner. :lol:

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:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: :lol::lol:

I thought Rangertelly was enough to let you know. No I'm not Rangertell. That's just a name I chose when I joined to see what you guys were on about. Now I know.

Rowdy Piffle.

Sorry. I'm posting on another forum.

C. Thompson aka A. Carson dude!
Forum Flame Expert
Ark. :):):):):razz:

YOU LOSE, MONKEY!! (So what? It turned me on.)

[Qiaozhi]

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:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: :lol::lol:

I thought Rangertelly was enough to let you know. No I'm not Rangertell. That's just a name I chose when I joined to see what you guys were on about. Now I know.
If true, perhaps you could explain why your email address is the same as the one for RangerTell, and your IP address is located in NSW?

[Theseus]

I AM SHOCKED THAT A CONPONY WILL TALK LIKE THIS??????????????????.
HOW IN THE HELL COULD A GUY TRUST THIS.
MY ONLY HOPE OF GETTING MY UNIT TO WORK IS NOW HUNG.
i WAS THINKIN HARD ABOUT SHIPPING MY UNIT AND SOMETHING TOLD ME TO KEEP IT.. WITH ALL THE FIRES AND THING GOING ON DOWN UNDER.
i JUST DON'T WANT TO LOSE IT OR BE TRICKED INTO BUYING A SECOND UNIT.

NOW WHY ARE YOU TALKING LIKE THIS?????????? THAT IS TOO LOW FOR ANY COMPONY TO DO.

You can believe it CC. Vincent Blanes is now showing his true self, to you and everyone else here. I think you are correct in hanging onto your unit. Besides, even if you got a new one in exchange, I can guarantee it would work (or not work) the same as the one you have.

[Rangertell]

If true, perhaps you could explain why your email address is the same as the one for RangerTell, and your IP address is located in NSW?


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Take a squizz at my Profile, you bluffer ...:lol::lol::lol::D:D:D:D:D:D
Ever heard of Optiview Shared IP? Didn't think so.

Al Carson

[Qiaozhi]

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Take a squizz at my Profile, you bluffer ...:lol::lol::lol::D:D:D:D:D:D

Al Carson
That was no bluff, and you know it. ;)
I would cut your losses and quit now, before it gets any worse. :lol:

Ever heard of Optiview Shared IP? Didn't think so.
Anyway - why would you have to make that statement if I was bluffing?

The hole is getting bigger!

[hung]

HUNG:


HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!:thumb: :cheers:

Thanks my friend !
May we live long to help each other more and more.

Also thanks to Putreciggi and Theseus for the sincere wishes.

[putrechigi]

PUTRECHIGI:

HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!:thumb::cheers:


many thanks my friend

[Rangertelly_]

:nerd:That was no bluff, and you know it. ;)
I would cut your losses and quit now, before it gets any worse. :lol:


Anyway - why would you have to make that statement if I was bluffing?

The hole is getting bigger!

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The hole in the bluff is getting so big you might as well put in another room...to watch for aliens. Only aliens would be able to use LRLs , surely, Mr Administrator...I mean.. :nerd:

Really, the number of LRL users is relatively microscopic compared to metal detector owners. You're not going to find much evidence except from those honest folks who want to pay the Govt tax and only have a fraction left.

Some people have had mds for 30 years and haven't found anything.:lol::lol::lol::lol:

What's the problem (logical paradox aside) ? :)

Al Carson

[Clondike Clad]

:nerd:

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The hole in the bluff is getting so big you might as well put in another room...to watch for aliens. Only aliens would be able to use LRLs , surely, Mr Administrator...I mean.. :nerd:

Really, the number of LRL users is relatively microscopic compared to metal detector owners. You're not going to find much evidence except from those honest folks who want to pay the Govt tax and only have a fraction left.

Some people have had mds for 30 years and haven't found anything.:lol::lol::lol::lol:

What's the problem (logical paradox aside) ? :)

Al Carson
Why are left handed people having problems with the RT?
I am left handed????? I did not know that Carl is a south paw.
I just don't understand how this would keep a unit from working...
It is metal that we are detecting????????????????????????????????
Someone HEKP with this ...HUNG and ALL...HELP:shocked:

[hung]

Why are left handed people having problems with the RT?
I am left handed????? I did not know that Carl is a south paw.
I just don't understand how this would keep a unit from working...
It is metal that we are detecting????????????????????????????????
Someone HEKP with this ...HUNG and ALL...HELP:shocked:

I will not discuss here this aproach neither the things I discovered anytime as I said.
I gave up this a long time ago for the reasons already explained.
So your best bet would be trading emails with the manufacturer about his concept, research them and then draw your own conclusions.

Regards.

[Clondike Clad]

I will not discuss here this aproach neither the things I discovered anytime as I said.
I gave up this a long time ago for the reasons already explained.
So your best bet would be trading emails with the manufacturer about his concept, research them and then draw your own conclusions.

Regards.
I will like to know if anyone who is a south paw(left handed) are you having problems getting your lrl to work.Do anyone know why left have problems????? can anyone tell me what you know about this??????:shocked:
Sorry for asking for help Hung.
This forum is for learning right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I want to learn.

[Theseus]

I will like to know if anyone who is a south paw(left handed) are you having problems getting your lrl to work.Do anyone know why left have problems????? can anyone tell me what you know about this??????:shocked:
Sorry for asking for help Hung.
This forum is for learning right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I want to learn.

Do not give it a second thought Clondike. The idea that a lefty cannot use an LRL (of any sort) is nothing more than another excuse the LRL Wallet-miners use to sooth the ruffled feathers of those customers who complain, like you have. Obviously, a particular handedness is totally irrelevant when it comes to getting a dowsing response. The excuse that it is relevant comes from a long line of other trumped up and bogus excuses, in a failed attempt to calm the customer (mark) down and keep him from returning the unit for a full refund.

Dell uses "interference" from the sun as an excuse, Tim Williams uses a bogus Ring Theory explanation as an excuse, Claude Cochran uses the "lack of proper body charge" as an excuse. They (the Wallet-miners) all have their own list of excuses they draw from - but I assure you none of them are valid or real... none of them.

BTW, 10 to 12 percent of the entire population are left-handed. That would mean that 10 to 12 percent of all the would-be dowsers in the world don't have a chance of ever getting a dowsing response (ideomotor effect) from a dowsing gadget. That just is not the case. I've seen several left-handed dowsers, and they all get a dowsing response. Just exactly how accurate it is..... is another topic, but they do get a response.

[hung]

I will like to know if anyone who is a south paw(left handed) are you having problems getting your lrl to work.Do anyone know why left have problems????? can anyone tell me what you know about this??????:shocked:
Sorry for asking for help Hung.
This forum is for learning right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I want to learn.

What Rangertell stated is a good start:

Electrical charge. Millivolts passing through left and right arms.

Again, you will not find your answers in this forum.

Consult dowsers in dowsing forums or your 93 year old pal. They know about it and will provide you a lot of answers.

[Rangertelly_]

Hi again

Yes, contact Rangertell and they will point you in the right direction. I believe their unit helps left-handed people more than other LRLs. This is due to the dial and key system.

I have done a little searching and believe the answer is to press the negative or minus key once or several times, and/or turn the dial to the other extremity. You have to use samples or even hold them as you pass the one placed on the ground.:)

I have nothing further to add.

Al Carson

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"There is human nature, pleasant nature and internet nature. Then you get to me...I am an iconoclast. Forgive me soon." A.C.

[Theseus]

Hey, Qiaozhi.... What would be your best guess as to how many more postings Vincent Blanes (aka RangerTell, Rangertelly, Al Carson, G. Brooker, etc., etc.) will make here; ...to add nothing further?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

My guess is greater than 10.

[Fred]

This is the first time i hear about the left-handed problem.I have never seen this in advertisements.
I wonder if Dell should mention it when he sells his wires.
Now i am worried , being lefty, high blood pressurized (),sometimes hungry, and most of the time married,should i spend money in an all electronic or semi electronic LRL :???:
And with all diodes or semi diodes system?

[Steve in MS]

:nerd:
Some people have had mds for 30 years and haven't found anything.:lol::lol::lol::lol:
What's the problem (logical paradox aside) ? :)
Al Carson

This statement will get you plenty of attention though I don't know if it will be positive:D.

However I would like to ask you a question, Ranger, I see on your webpage that your claim is that your LRL neither uses ideomotor response and is not dowsing. If you will, explain what makes you LRL different from other LRLs for sale, evidently yours is different.
Now I know this is a skeptic forum but at least humor me with a reply, after all, you are here to defend your product, right?

[Clondike Clad]

What Rangertell stated is a good start:



Again, you will not find your answers in this forum.

Consult dowsers in dowsing forums or your 93 year old pal. They know about it and will provide you a lot of answers.
I didnot think about asking him THINKS

[sweatofglory]

I have been playing a calculator locator for two years now and i am pretty much satisfied with the results. like Hung, i was able to get frequency which is unique that no other metal owns it. I can combine two or more frequencies together to get the exact composition of metals that i like to search. :)

[Fred]

I have been playing a calculator locator for two years now and i am pretty much satisfied with the results. like Hung, i was able to get frequency which is unique that no other metal owns it. I can combine two or more frequencies together to get the exact composition of metals that i like to search. :)

Great.With Santa Claus, that make you 3 of them.

[Clondike Clad]

I didnot think about asking him THINKSI asked my old guy about the left hand thing and he told me WHAT????? So he knows nothing about it.

[Theseus]

I asked my old guy about the left hand thing and he told me WHAT????? So he knows nothing about it.

Not surprising. I told you it was a trumped up excuse, with no basis whatsoever.

[sweatofglory]

Great.With Santa Claus, that make you 3 of them.

THANKS RUDOLPH! YOU ARE A GENIUS....:lol::lol:

[joecoin]

What if I am ambidextrous?

Will the RangerTell work for me?

[Carl-NC]

Everyone knows that there is a difference between the left and right anatomy that assists in laying a base frequency for an LRL. What a coincidence that Sam and Carl are left-handed, and an ex-NASA engineer told me they cannot use LRLs. Lefties have problems because of the polarity difference.

I can't use LRL's because I'm left-handed? I never knew that!

[Clondike Clad]

I didnot know what to think.
I just gave up,and open the RT up........I will not post what I found because,the compony was going to send me a new unit.
I will give them that and that i why I won't post the inside of what I found.
THE UNIT I HAVE WILL NOT WORK FOR ANYONE.:shocked:

[Theseus]

I didnot know what to think.
I just gave up,and open the RT up........I will not post what I found because,the compony was going to send me a new unit.
I will give them that and that i why I won't post the inside of what I found.
THE UNIT I HAVE WILL NOT WORK FOR ANYONE.:shocked:

Without you telling us, or showing us what you found, I can quite easily imagine. No big surprise why you believe the unit would not work for anyone.

Think of all the others out there, just like yours, and yet there is a good chance that none of them complained or got a new unit or a refund. The reason for that is rather obvious. A swivel handle with weight mounted on top of it, and a transistor radio antenna; when held in their hand (either hand) will naturally be unstable and swing to one side or the other in response to the ideomotor effect.

To a lot of folks, this resultant action would look to them like it is working, hence they would never suspect the whole thing is a scam ripoff device, that will point to treasure just as accurately as a piece of willow switch or a bent wire.

And.... the joke is on them, as Vincent laughs all the way to the bank. :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Fred]

THANKS RUDOLPH! YOU ARE A GENIUS....:lol::lol:
Huhh?


I will not post what I found because,the compony was going to send me a new unit.
Are you sure the company is going to send you one? because the rangertell guy that promised you one unit is a fraud (so he says).

[sweatofglory]

Huhh?



Are you sure the company is going to send you one? because the rangertell guy that promised you one unit is a fraud (so he says).

FRAUD??? I WONDER WHY RANGER SOLD 2000 UNITS WORLDWIDE:razz::razz::razz:

[Theseus]

FRAUD??? I WONDER WHY RANGER SOLD 2000 UNITS WORLDWIDE:razz::razz::razz:

If you take about two zeros off of that number, you might be closer to the correct amount - if that many. Not sure where you got that number, but like the Hits Counter on his website, it is greatly inflated.

But why did he (Vincent Blanes) sell any? Well, for the same reason that Tarot Cards, Ouija Boards and Crystal Balls are sold, I suppose. Seems this world has an ample supply of gullible, technically and numerically challenged individuals, who obviously have plenty of extra cash to spend on such things. ;)

[Fred]

FRAUD??? I WONDER WHY RANGER SOLD 2000 UNITS WORLDWIDE:razz::razz::razz:
Maybe i dont express myself clearly, maybe you dont undertand easlily :
THIS is what i was referring to :

...................
I thought Rangertelly was enough to let you know. No I'm not Rangertell. That's just a name I chose when I joined to see what you guys were on about. Now I know.....

This was the guy who promised a new RT to Clondike :rolleyes:

[J_Player]

I thought Rangertelly was enough to let you know. No I'm not Rangertell. That's just a name I chose when I joined to see what you guys were on about. Now I know.....Hmmmm... Neat trick.
I could log on as Mineoro... I wonder if people would think I am Damasio if I use bad english? :rolleyes:

Best wishes,
J_P

[Mr Golding]

Without you telling us, or showing us what you found, I can quite easily imagine. No big surprise why you believe the unit would not work for anyone.

Think of all the others out there, just like yours, and yet there is a good chance that none of them complained or got a new unit or a refund. The reason for that is rather obvious. A swivel handle with weight mounted on top of it, and a transistor radio antenna; when held in their hand (either hand) will naturally be unstable and swing to one side or the other in response to the ideomotor effect.

To a lot of folks, this resultant action would look to them like it is working, hence they would never suspect the whole thing is a scam ripoff device, that will point to treasure just as accurately as a piece of willow switch or a bent wire.

And.... the joke is on them, as Vincent laughs all the way to the bank. :lol: :lol: :lol:


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Since it appears to be forum-tightening day, here's my two buck's worth.

You're stepping over the line Sam. Pull your manners back in a tad. Folks are happy with their LRLs. Nothing you fibricate is going to change that. If you were a consumer advocate you'd at least be a persistent one. Unfortunately you score too highly in the stirring for stirring's sake category. Sorry. :nono:

[Mr Golding]

If you take about two zeros off of that number, you might be closer to the correct amount - if that many. Not sure where you got that number, but like the Hits Counter on his website, it is greatly inflated.

But why did he (Vincent Blanes) sell any? Well, for the same reason that Tarot Cards, Ouija Boards and Crystal Balls are sold, I suppose. Seems this world has an ample supply of gullible, technically and numerically challenged individuals, who obviously have plenty of extra cash to spend on such things. ;)

.................................................. .................................................. ....

Sam aka Theseus.

There is no way known you can tell whether the hits on any site are inflated. Not even looking at the numbers for years continuously. Bluff#1.

Bluff#2. How would anyone know how many Examiners RT had sold? :lol:
Anyone can see 144 good feedbacks on ebay for them (entering as guest for instance). Can't see how that can become 20. To quote a phrase from earlier, do the math. There have been quite likely at least 850 from the site and generally. T-w-e-n-t-y? My God Man , what year was that whisky?> :D

BTW , didn't you sell pendulms once Sam? These LRLs are not in that metaphysical category. Your penance? is like a kid running around repeating things because he's been told to stop. Dumb, boy. Spelling verified, but still dumb. Sorry. :D

Almost as dumb as the next thing he's going to say.:

"Vincent, how dumb do you think we are? You and that dowsing bla, bla bla". I mean it says 'Golding'. Anyway, forum anonymity is part of the First Amendment. Where is Sam coming from? I can tell you a joke that reminds me of where Carl is coming from...

A largish man lies sprawled across not one but three seats in a cinema. The security guy ambles over in the dark and points his torch in the fat guy's face. "'Hey, Bozo..don't you know if you wanna take up three seats ya gotta pay for three tickets?"

The large man doesn't move nor says anything. "You don't seem to know much. Where you from?" splutters the security guy. The fat man turns slowly and looks the guy in the eye. "From the fxxxxxx Projection Room budthy," he blurts.

The fat man reminds me of Carl after his admission he didn't know being left-handed was the reason he couldn't use LRLs.:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::D

[Mr Golding]

Hmmmm... Neat trick.
I could log on as Mineoro... I wonder if people would think I am Damasio if I use bad english? :rolleyes:

Best wishes,
J_P

.................................................. ....

...or Damasio attempting to do the same rude but sometimes inescapable thing, get it??? Yeah...obviously the latter. Not saying he would of course. Who was it said ? " When in Rome...stay the fxxx away from the forum." Be careful. It takes practice and observation but don't believe anything you see and hear on forums. :|

[Götz von Berlichingen]

...
There is no way known you can tell whether the hits on any site are inflated. Not even looking at the numbers for years continuously. Bluff#1.
...

Are you sure :?
Statistics at Quantcast : http://www.quantcast.com/rangertell.com/traffic#summary
Ranking at Alexa : http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details/rangertell.com

[Carl-NC]

The fat man reminds me of Carl after his admission he didn't know being left-handed was the reason he couldn't use LRLs.

No, what I meant was, I didn't know I was left handed.

[Qiaozhi]

No, what I meant was, I didn't know I was left handed.
:lol: :lol: That's funny.

Keep digging guys ...

[Theseus]

Hey, Qiaozhi.... What would be your best guess as to how many more postings Vincent Blanes (aka RangerTell, Rangertelly, Al Carson, G. Brooker, etc., etc.) will make here; ...to add nothing further?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

My guess is greater than 10.

Vincent Blanes (aka Mr. Golding) is up to 3 "with nothing further to add". Very soon now he will make my prediction true. Stay tuned.

BTW, have you all noticed he and Dell and Tim have a lot in common. Do the initials W-M come to mind............

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Fred]

.................................................. ....

...or Damasio attempting to do the same rude but sometimes inescapable thing, get it??? Yeah...obviously the latter. Not saying he would of course. Who was it said ? " When in Rome...stay the fxxx away from the forum." Be careful. It takes practice and observation but don't believe anything you see and hear on forums. :|
Mr Golding, i have a few question.In order for you to understand, i will try to be clear enought:

-Why do you keep registering under diferents names to support your Rt stuff?
It is more than obvious, the way you express yourself, that you are the same person.Saying otherwise is an offend to anyone´s intelligence on this forum used to read comments-or a proof you lack of it.

-can you make the difference between 20000 (claimed customers)and 144(ebay feedback, wich means almost nothing)?

I will stop here for now to keep a chance to understand your reply.

[Clondike Clad]

MY RT UNIT is now history.
I think the RT people need to take a close look at some of the units
Because if the units are good. I think someone could be messing with some of the units putting bad parts in them to hurt the compony or the compony is scamming people.I just don't know at this time.
BUT AFTER SEEING THE INSIDE OF MY UNIT...I WILL WAIT UNIT ONE OF THE MAJOR DETECTOR COME OF WITH A LRL UNIT.
WHITES,FISHER,TESORO YOU GET THE PICTURE.
I will keep reading the post and only time will tell if i get back into using a LRL unit again.RT you need to take a very hard look at your units or people.I am hoping you are not a scammer.
If I posted what I found inside of my unit it was not pretty.
I wash my hands with it and now I will just hope to see if a working unit is made that I CAN MAKE WORK.

[Steve in MS]

What these swivel-type LRLs lack is credibility, lets face it, not many users of metal detectors are using LRLs.
If these makers really want to clear up misconceptions, they would show proof that their products work.
Dodging questions only leads to further skepticism.
Theories are just theories until there are repeatable tests to prove the theory.
Right now, LRLs are in the theory category and appears to be a bad theory:D:D:razz::razz::lol::lol: like some others out there.
Ranger, if you want the truth to be known, put all your cards on table.
Let's do a question and answer session here, lets see if a test can be set up that would satisfy your requirements and those who are not sure if your product works.
Doesn't appear like Ranger cares if people know what the capabilities of his product are, maybe he is more concerned about making sales:D:D:razz::razz::lol::lol:.

[Fred]

MY RT UNIT is now history.
Clondike, are you going to receive a new unit, as Rangertell promised ?
Will you show us the RT inside ? Are you receiving a bunch of private mails trying to convince you are a special case customer, wich got a prototype RT , and that you should not release the "secret" of the RT guts ?

[Theseus]

MY RT UNIT is now history.
I think the RT people need to take a close look at some of the units
Because if the units are good. I think someone could be messing with some of the units putting bad parts in them to hurt the compony or the compony is scamming people.I just don't know at this time.

There are many units out that inside look just like the one you opened. It is so bad, that you might think someone is messing with the internals to make the company look bad. But that is not the case. These units leave the hands of Vincent Blanes (RT) just the way your unit is constructed, and if you are told any different, it is a lie.

Everything above the swivel handle is put there strictly as added weight so gravity will have an easy way to cause it to swing from side to side. There is nothing electronic going on, and you must know that fact now that you have inspected the inside of the unit. It is constructed completely with but one purpose in mind; and that is to swindle the gullible and technically challenged out of their money. The operation of the RT Examiner depends entirely on an ideomotor response from the operator holding the contraption. It is nothing more than a simple dowsing gadget. A piece of wire bent into the shape of an "L" will point out things with exactly the same accuracy as the RT Examiner. In a fair, and controlled double-blind test, that accuracy would be comparable to regular guessing.

I'm really sorry you've spent so much time trying to make it work, but the truth is, it is working exactly as it was fabricated to work.

[Qiaozhi]

MY RT UNIT is now history.
I think the RT people need to take a close look at some of the units
Because if the units are good. I think someone could be messing with some of the units putting bad parts in them to hurt the compony or the compony is scamming people.I just don't know at this time.
BUT AFTER SEEING THE INSIDE OF MY UNIT...I WILL WAIT UNIT ONE OF THE MAJOR DETECTOR COME OF WITH A LRL UNIT.
WHITES,FISHER,TESORO YOU GET THE PICTURE.
I will keep reading the post and only time will tell if i get back into using a LRL unit again.RT you need to take a very hard look at your units or people.I am hoping you are not a scammer.
If I posted what I found inside of my unit it was not pretty.
I wash my hands with it and now I will just hope to see if a working unit is made that I CAN MAKE WORK.
I would give it a couple of weeks. Then ... when it hasn't arrived ... post the pictures here in all their glory. :D

Of course, if RangerTell haven't even asked for your postal address, then you've already got your answer. :lol:

[Clondike Clad]

Clondike, are you going to receive a new unit, as Rangertell promised ?
Will you show us the RT inside ? Are you receiving a bunch of private mails trying to convince you are a special case customer, wich got a prototype RT , and that you should not release the "secret" of the RT guts ?
I must send them the old unit to get a new nuit.
But I needed to know something ( is it me or the unit) so I opend my unit and now it is wih the trashman.I CAN GET MOST ANYTHING TO WORK SO I HAD TO KNOW.MY UNIT HAD JUNK PARTS IN IT.
i COULD NOT SEND THEM THAT UNIT iT COULD BE SAID I PUT THE JUNK PARTS IN IT.sO IT IS OUT OF MY HOUSE
i KNOW SOME DAY A UNIT WILL BE MADE.
i WILL JUST WAIT AND HOPE I SEE ONE.
CARL POST THE INSIDE OF HIS UNIT.
i WAS SO MAD, IT HAD TO HIT THE TRASH.

[hung]

Mr Golding, i have a few question.In order for you to understand, i will try to be clear enought:

-Why do you keep registering under diferents names to support your Rt stuff?
I will stop here for now to keep a chance to understand your reply.

I came to know he could not use the previous names here anymore.
Maybe they were blocked by the administrator?
That's not democracy.:nono:

[Qiaozhi]

I came to know he could not use the previous names here anymore.
Maybe they were blocked by the administrator?
That's not democracy.:nono:
For your information: RangerTell, which is his original username, is still active.
This forum does not allow people to have multiple usernames.

[Qiaozhi]

Now - moving along...

Has anyone here really studied Hung's video?

If you take note of the height of the PD above the floor in the first test - (You can use the window in the background as a marker.) - when Hung does the second test with the gold ring, the PD is noticeably lower. I wonder what would have happened if he had lowered the PD in the first test. I bet it would have beeped.

Did no-one else spot this?

[Fred]

I came to know he could not use the previous names here anymore.
Maybe they were blocked by the administrator?
That's not democracy.:nono:
That makes no sense :shocked: He says to be forced to change his username ,but insist in hiding his identity ??!! :barf:
and finally he is blocked precisely because he was using diferent usernames :shocked:
Hung , are you supporting such nonsense ?

[Carl-NC]

I came to know he could not use the previous names here anymore.
Maybe they were blocked by the administrator?
That's not democracy.:nono:

Ranger-Tell is free to post here, just like everyone else. What I do not allow is people registering and posting under multiple names.

RT registered with his original name, then proceeded to register 3 more names*. This is either an effort to deceive people, or to abuse the forum, so I locked those subsequent accounts. RT can still freely post under his original account name.

- Carl

*He's done this before, in a prior forum, where he pretended to be several other people.

[hung]

I believe he found out he could not log in with his first username and had to register other ones to do it...

Sorry, but I quit reading this thread and just posted today to acknowledge the forum why RT is not posting lately as he told me. Hope this will be solved.
Anyway thanks for clearing this up.

[Götz von Berlichingen]

Ranger-Tell is free to post here, just like everyone else. What I do not allow is people registering and posting under multiple names.

RT registered with his original name, then proceeded to register 3 more names*. This is either an effort to deceive people, or to abuse the forum, so I locked those subsequent accounts. RT can still freely post under his original account name.

- Carl

*He's done this before, in a prior forum, where he pretended to be several other people.

Among Internet Addicts, these extra Forum Accounts are called "sockpuppets".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_sock_puppet

[Carl-NC]

I believe he found out he could not log in with his first username and had to register other ones to do it...

Sorry, but I quit reading this thread and just posted today to acknowledge the forum why RT is not posting lately as he told me. Hope this will be solved.
Anyway thanks for clearing this up.

There is nothing to solve... his "Rangertell" account name works fine, and was never blocked. He just wants to abuse the forum.

- Carl

[Fred]

Among Internet Addicts, these extra Forum Accounts are called "sockpuppets".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_sock_puppet
Cool,
How do you call sockpuppets suporters?

[Messenger]

Please see next post.This one multiplied.

[Messenger]

What in tarnation is going on here? :angry: The man has registered eight

times being forced to use another name and erect another email each time,

since they were banned each time. It was okay for a few minutes

but then was blocked each time. The original name does not

appear on the members list. There is no original username.

Anyway the original username would have been under an ISP

email that no longer exists. So how could he obtain the activation

link? He had never posted here (accoiunt was years old) so couldn't
retrieve the password:lol:

This is basic forum information.


I have only two points to convey:

1. Clonkide has received PMs and forum posts advising him to

contact RT to get his new replacement but has not done this. He

has trashed a suspicious lookalike. Maybe RT wanted to have a

look at it to determine what was going on. The deal was for him to

wait for the new replacement and then send the booby. He did not

send his address as requested. Only way to post it is for there to

be an exchange unit waiting at other end and a viable address

given.:)

2. No-one is trying to abuse your forum. Each time the poster

tried to register he was blocked a few minutes later. Some posts

somehow crawled through a crack in the web. A minute later the

screen became a wax dummy. This happened countless times.

Sorry but I've got work to do. Don't like conveyig on behalf of

another.

PS: Sam aka Theseus. How do you know CC's RT wasn't

sabotaged? And why would he trash it and not respond to PMs

etc? Chances are he hasn't trashed it but instead of getting a new

replacement he is going to show pictures that may or may not be

the work of some infidel. Probably because Carl has ill-advised

him. He has cited the possibility exists, hasn't he. Not a legal

show and tell and this is quotable testimony. Add to that the forum

blocking behavior and the answer is glaringly obvious.

CANNOT POST-WILL NOT POST-CANNOT ALLOW

POSTING. Anyone would think this was the work of a paranoid

postman.

Carl will not accept the truth about LRLs. No sockpuppets have been going on here...just a big dummy twisting things round!:shocked::shocked::shocked:

[Messenger]

Are you sure :?
Statistics at Quantcast : http://www.quantcast.com/rangertell.com/traffic#summary
Ranking at Alexa : http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details/rangertell.com

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Another conveyance because he couldn't get in.


"Multiplying the seven years the Rangertell site has been up by 1200 which is that monthly total we get (12x7x 1200) = 100,800.

Add to that the many hits that all webmasters purchase we could conceivably have another 140,000 if RT had bought as few as 20,000 a year.

Subtract a few thousand for visits from RT themselves as they edited etc.

Last month was a recession month.

We can safely conclude that there were years when the figure could have been much higher, easily explaining the 183,132 hits shown on the site. In fact it's an understatement. I have noticed on some pages the clock has been stopped and restarted e.g. 2004. This would explain the understatement.

The figure should be at least 240,000 extrapolating from the past month's lower one assumes, figures.

If you think it appears skewed towards the retired, you will probably find that's who often buys long range detectors. They are not as young and want something that is not going to give them earache or a bad back.:)

Unless you followed the site from 2002 you could not claim any inflation. Who would?

Sam (aka Theseus) once said he could inflate the figures on his forum posts at Mongobay while he slept. During that forum's history in 2004-06 from memory, Sam would always get figures of 80 readers for instance where the average was a dozen. One night Ranger set a melodramatic trap for him and caught him red-handed altering his figures. Sam of course admitted it rudely with the statement that could do it automatically with a program he had. The inference being 'stuff you.' He was I believe a software engineer. Someone sent him a fart in an email and soon afterwards Mongobay disbanded. Sam had been lying to the public so people would believe his tripe about LRL all being dowsing. This was completely irregular and is what he was and still is about. It went for years. Cast out for many sock-puppet tricks and other misdemeanors of accusation, on forums he becomes a Gorgon of many-heads and identities. He is a very cunning and stubborn fellow. This is not make believe. :shocked:

Of course then everyone was being everyone else..to catch Sam out!" The only identity trickery was Sam's. Some fire may have been , and still is, used against his, but only in self-defense.

......................

" An argument as thin as tissue is thick enough to cloud the issue." Anon

[Steve in MS]

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Sam (aka Theseus) once said he could inflate the figures on his forum posts at Mongobay while he slept. During that forum's history in 2004-06 from memory, Sam would always get figures of 80 readers for instance where the average was a dozen. One night Ranger set a melodramatic trap for him and caught him red-handed altering his figures. Sam of course admitted it rudely with the statement that could do it automatically with a program he had. The inference being 'stuff you.' He was I believe a software engineer. Someone sent him a fart in an email and soon afterwards Mongobay disbanded. Sam had been lying to the public so people would believe his tripe about LRL all being dowsing. This was completely irregular and is what he was and still is about. It went for years. Cast out for many sock-puppet tricks and other misdemeanors of accusation, on forums he becomes a Gorgon of many-heads and identities. He is a very cunning and stubborn fellow. This is not make believe. :shocked:

Of course then everyone was being everyone else..to catch Sam out!" The only identity trickery was Sam's. Some fire may have been , and still is, used against his, but only in self-defense.


OK:D, since you don't want to discuss your LRLs:D:D:razz::razz::lol::lol:, just who do you think this Sam is:D?
OK:D, let's assume you win whatever this war between you and Sam, will this help sell more of your LRLs:D?
Wouldn't it make more sense just to send out some of your LRLs for free to a few people who use standard detectors for them to evaluate?
I am sure you believe in your product but the trick(maybe not the best choice of a word or maybe it fits just right?:D:D:razz::razz::lol::lol:) is to get others introduced to your product to see for themselves.
You have to have some testers of your product who are somewhat independent of yours to be able to relate to others just what your product has to offer.
OK....one other thing....I don't know who the hell Sam is but I am not Sam:D, neither am I related to him....unless he is a long lost cousin whom I have never met:D:D:razz::razz::lol::lol:.

[Carl-NC]

The man has registered eight times being forced to use another name and erect another email each time, since they were banned each time. It was okay for a few minutes but then was blocked each time. The original name does not appear on the members list. There is no original username.

Your first username -- "Rangertell" -- works fine. Please use it and stop creating more accounts.

[Clondike Clad]

What in tarnation is going on here? :angry: The man has registered eight

times being forced to use another name and erect another email each time,

since they were banned each time. It was okay for a few minutes

but then was blocked each time. The original name does not

appear on the members list. There is no original username.

Anyway the original username would have been under an ISP

email that no longer exists. So how could he obtain the activation

link? He had never posted here (accoiunt was years old) so couldn't
retrieve the password:lol:

This is basic forum information.


I have only two points to convey:

1. Clonkide has received PMs and forum posts advising him to

contact RT to get his new replacement but has not done this. He

has trashed a suspicious lookalike. Maybe RT wanted to have a

look at it to determine what was going on. The deal was for him to

wait for the new replacement and then send the booby. He did not

send his address as requested. Only way to post it is for there to

be an exchange unit waiting at other end and a viable address

given.:)

2. No-one is trying to abuse your forum. Each time the poster

tried to register he was blocked a few minutes later. Some posts

somehow crawled through a crack in the web. A minute later the

screen became a wax dummy. This happened countless times.

Sorry but I've got work to do. Don't like conveyig on behalf of

another.

PS: Sam aka Theseus. How do you know CC's RT wasn't

sabotaged? And why would he trash it and not respond to PMs

etc? Chances are he hasn't trashed it but instead of getting a new

replacement he is going to show pictures that may or may not be

the work of some infidel. Probably because Carl has ill-advised

him. He has cited the possibility exists, hasn't he. Not a legal

show and tell and this is quotable testimony. Add to that the forum

blocking behavior and the answer is glaringly obvious.

CANNOT POST-WILL NOT POST-CANNOT ALLOW

POSTING. Anyone would think this was the work of a paranoid

postman.

Carl will not accept the truth about LRLs. No sockpuppets have been going on here...just a big dummy twisting things round!:shocked::shocked::shocked:
I open the unit and yest I trash it.
I also washed my hands of it and That is that.
I hope others will post the insides of rt unit that DON'T WORK.
I AM DONE WITH IT.CARL POSTED THE INSIDE OF HIS UNIT .
I WON'T ADD TO WHAT IS OUT THE BAG.
LIKE I SAID I ENDED IT WITH THE TRASH.:shocked:

[Qiaozhi]

The original name does not

appear on the members list. There is no original username.

Anyway the original username would have been under an ISP

email that no longer exists. So how could he obtain the activation

link? He had never posted here (accoiunt was years old) so couldn't
retrieve the password:lol:
This is incorrect. Your original username of RangerTell is still active, and it was registered on the 7th February 2009 - not "years ago" as you claim.

Also FYI - "Only_Way_To_Post", "This Time Surely", and "Messenger" have been disabled.

Please use your original username of "RangerTell", as requested by Carl, and stop pretending to be someone else.

[Theseus]

This is incorrect. Your original username of RangerTell is still active, and it was registered on the 7th February 2009 - not "years ago" as you claim.

Also FYI - "Only_Way_To_Post", "This Time Surely", and "Messenger" have been disabled.

Please use your original username of "RangerTell", as requested by Carl, and stop pretending to be someone else.

It will be very difficult to get Vincent to play by the forum rules. In the business(?) he operates there are no rules. ;)

[sweatofglory]

:):):):)HAPPY VALENTINE'S DAY!:):):):):)

[Esteban]

Ranger-Tell is free to post here, just like everyone else. What I do not allow is people registering and posting under multiple names.

RT registered with his original name, then proceeded to register 3 more names*. This is either an effort to deceive people, or to abuse the forum, so I locked those subsequent accounts. RT can still freely post under his original account name.

- Carl

*He's done this before, in a prior forum, where he pretended to be several other people.

I was blocked today...

[Qiaozhi]

I was blocked today...
There was problem with the forum today. Everyone was banned for a short time, including me. ;)

[Esteban]

There was problem with the forum today. Everyone was banned for a short time, including me. ;)

In the first moment I think that from my computer was distributed viruses...

[J_Player]

I was reading the forum, anxiously waiting for Clondike Clad to get his replacement RangerTell Examiner and test it, when I read this:
MY RT UNIT is now history.
I think the RT people need to take a close look at some of the units
Because if the units are good. I think someone could be messing with some of the units putting bad parts in them to hurt the compony or the compony is scamming people.I just don't know at this time.

...If I posted what I found inside of my unit it was not pretty.
I wash my hands with it and now I will just hope to see if a working unit is made that I CAN MAKE WORK.


...I must send them the old unit to get a new nuit.
But I needed to know something ( is it me or the unit) so I opend my unit and now it is wih the trashman.I CAN GET MOST ANYTHING TO WORK SO I HAD TO KNOW.MY UNIT HAD JUNK PARTS IN IT.
i COULD NOT SEND THEM THAT UNIT iT COULD BE SAID I PUT THE JUNK PARTS IN IT.sO IT IS OUT OF MY HOUSE
i KNOW SOME DAY A UNIT WILL BE MADE.
i WILL JUST WAIT AND HOPE I SEE ONE.
CARL POST THE INSIDE OF HIS UNIT.
i WAS SO MAD, IT HAD TO HIT THE TRASH.

I open the unit and yest I trash it.
I also washed my hands of it and That is that.
I hope others will post the insides of rt unit that DON'T WORK.
I AM DONE WITH IT.CARL POSTED THE INSIDE OF HIS UNIT .
I WON'T ADD TO WHAT IS OUT THE BAG.
LIKE I SAID I ENDED IT WITH THE TRASH.Now, I can understand someone gets mad and throws some junk in the trash, but after talking about how he will post his findings?
Clondike Clad has instantly changed from an indignant victim of an LRL scam to a person who is taking measures to hide what he found inside the Ranger Tell.

My BS alarms went of loud and clear when I read his posts, sounding reminiscent of hung making excuses why he cannot show the insides of a Ranger tell.
The question comes to mind,,, What did he see inside the Ranger Tell that changed his mind about posting for all to see?

Could it be there are small leprachauns inside the Ranger Tell who place a curse on the person who opens the enclosure, and forces the victim to do their bidding?
Is this what causes all those LRL proponent to refuse to photograph the insides of their LRL or test them in public?
Did a small leprechaun give Clondike Clad a death threat in the event that he showed any photos of the inside of the Ranger Tell? :eek:

Best wishes,
J_P

[Götz von Berlichingen]

Thats the first LRL Theory that makes some sense. :)

Quote from Wikipedia:
"The modern image of the leprechaun is almost invariant: he is depicted as having red hair (often with a beard), wearing an emerald green (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerald_%28color%29) frock coat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frock_coat), and bestowed with the knowledge of the location of buried treasure (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treasure), often in a crock (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crock_%28dishware%29) of gold (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold)."

Now all i have to do is capture a Leprechaun, put him into a Box
and i have a real LRL. :razz:

[Carl-NC]

Hung, it turns out that Mr. Blanes registered as "Rangertell" using a fictitious email account, which is why he could not do an email validation. Then, in an attempt to pretend to be other people, he proceeded to create numerous other accounts, which messed up his login cookies. So everything that happened was his own fault.

And you trust this guy? Really?

[J_Player]

Now, I can understand someone gets mad and throws some junk in the trash, but after talking about how he will post his findings?
Clondike Clad has instantly changed from an indignant victim of an LRL scam to a person who is taking measures to hide what he found inside the Ranger Tell.

My BS alarms went of loud and clear when I read his posts, sounding reminiscent of hung making excuses why he cannot show the insides of a Ranger tell.
The question comes to mind,,, What did he see inside the Ranger Tell that changed his mind about posting for all to see?

Could it be there are small leprachauns inside the Ranger Tell who place a curse on the person who opens the enclosure, and forces the victim to do their bidding?
Is this what causes all those LRL proponent to refuse to photograph the insides of their LRL or test them in public?
Did a small leprechaun give Clondike Clad a death threat in the event that he showed any photos of the inside of the Ranger Tell? :eek:

Best wishes,
J_P



Originally posted by Götz von Berlichingen
Thats the first LRL Theory that makes some sense. :)

Quote from Wikipedia:
"The modern image of the leprechaun is almost invariant: he is depicted as having red hair (often with a beard), wearing an emerald green (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerald_%28color%29) frock coat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frock_coat), and bestowed with the knowledge of the location of buried treasure (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treasure), often in a crock (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crock_%28dishware%29) of gold (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold)."

Now all i have to do is capture a Leprechaun, put him into a Box
and i have a real LRL. :razz:OMG..!!! :eek: :eek: :eek: Can it be true??

Is this how these LRLs work?
The scientific principle of hidden leprechauns causing the LRL to point to a crock of gold?

.... or is it a crock of something else? :rolleyes:

Best wishes,
J_P

[Steve in MS]

Hey Hung, show us what you have found with your Ranger.
How long have you been using it?

[Clondike Clad]

I was reading the forum, anxiously waiting for Clondike Clad to get his replacement RangerTell Examiner and test it, when I read this:
Now, I can understand someone gets mad and throws some junk in the trash, but after talking about how he will post his findings?
Clondike Clad has instantly changed from an indignant victim of an LRL scam to a person who is taking measures to hide what he found inside the Ranger Tell.

My BS alarms went of loud and clear when I read his posts, sounding reminiscent of hung making excuses why he cannot show the insides of a Ranger tell.
The question comes to mind,,, What did he see inside the Ranger Tell that changed his mind about posting for all to see?

Could it be there are small leprachauns inside the Ranger Tell who place a curse on the person who opens the enclosure, and forces the victim to do their bidding?
Is this what causes all those LRL proponent to refuse to photograph the insides of their LRL or test them in public?
Did a small leprechaun give Clondike Clad a death threat in the event that he showed any photos of the inside of the Ranger Tell? :eek:

Best wishes,
J_P
I was going to post but it was not RT that stopped me.
It was to keep the wife happy( she also told me I don't want anyone messing with us.)
She told me to stop it on the forums, before someone come a calling.
So I told her I will STOP.
But I will say Is I hope others will post the inside of the RT unit.
So I wil just go back to lurking for a bit.

[Fred]

Hi Clondike,
Who was messing with you ?

[Rangertell]

Hung, it turns out that Mr. Blanes registered as "Rangertell" using a fictitious email account, which is why he could not do an email validation. Then, in an attempt to pretend to be other people, he proceeded to create numerous other accounts, which messed up his login cookies. So everything that happened was his own fault.

And you trust this guy? Really?


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If it was fictitious then how could anyone have activated the registration? Yet there it was. It can't have been fictitious.:) At least not from RT.

BTW it appears that one computer is often shared between folks, especially at club functions and parties etc. This is what has obviously occurred recently, leading to a number of 'floater' posts from copycats. :D Since it was the anniversary party of one such club I have determined that this is the root of the problem. A pc was borrowed and returned mysteriously last night requiring a little housekeeping. As well, since my IP too was banned as were others, there appears to have been a problem with the forum mechanics, particularly yesterday.

I also noted that an Al Carson attended the club do, and his email is acarson@aol.com, a fictitious one since all messages bounce from it. Al is a funny proposition, often imitating various people (particularly a Vincent) to suit his own loopy ends. I have been told he was there. Maybe he was just emailing again. He means well and should be ignored or he will get worse. You get outrider types at these functions. If I tell him not to turn up he will bombard me with emails of a semi-humorous kind.

Need it be said that RTL&ES is the most honest of concerns , without being too self-promoting, and there's usually a simple explanation for anything unusual. It is generally the backlash from the havoc that Al has wreaked among skeptics who have not liked the treatment.

Anyway, if an apology is due you have it. I don't know what has transpired since I posted the initial offer to help Clondike Clad. That's all I wrote. :|

Thank you

RTL&ES

-HAPPY VALENTINES DAY TO ALL. IT'S NOT BAD TO BE ALONE.-

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"I think I spie a wee leprechaun standing there so you can appraise the matter to be sure, to be sure.. His name be Carl and he sells a lord of printers and many types of accusatory and negatory knick knacks. Begorrah, be Carl and he's pulling the leg it be. I've never bin so insulted in mi loif. I'm never goin to go there agen."

[Qiaozhi]

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If it was fictitious then how could anyone have activated the registration? Yet there it was. It can't have been fictitious.:) At least not from RT.

BTW it appears that one computer is often shared between folks, especially at club functions and parties etc. This is what has obviously occurred recently, leading to a number of 'floater' posts from copycats. :D Since it was the anniversary party of one such club I have determined that this is the root of the problem. A pc was borrowed and returned mysteriously last night requiring a little housekeeping. As well, since my IP too was banned as were others, there appears to have been a problem with the forum mechanics, particularly yesterday.

I also noted that an Al Carson attended the club do, and his email is acarson@aol.com, a fictitious one since all messages bounce from it. Al is a funny proposition, often imitating various people (particularly a Vincent) to suit his own loopy ends. I have been told he was there. Maybe he was just emailing again. He means well and should be ignored or he will get worse. You get outrider types at these functions. If I tell him not to turn up he will bombard me with emails of a semi-humorous kind.

Need it be said that RTL&ES is the most honest of concerns , without being too self-promoting, and there's usually a simple explanation for anything unusual. It is generally the backlash from the havoc that Al has wreaked among skeptics who have not liked the treatment.

Anyway, if an apology is due you have it. I don't know what has transpired since I posted the initial offer to help Clondike Clad. That's all I wrote. :|

Thank you

RTL&ES

-HAPPY VALENTINES DAY TO ALL. IT'S NOT BAD TO BE ALONE.-

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"I think I spie a wee leprechaun standing there so you can appraise the matter to be sure, to be sure.. His name be Carl and he sells a lord of printers and many types of accusatory and negatory knick knacks. Begorrah, be Carl and he's pulling the leg it be. I've never bin so insulted in mi loif. I'm never goin to go there agen."

What total nonsense!
A 5 year old child could manufacture a better lie than that. :lol:

Let's see you tap dance your way out of this.
Here's a snapshot of your Public Profile that's available for everyone to see:
Hmmm ... could be a tricky one ... :razz:

[Theseus]

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If it was fictitious then how could anyone have activated the registration? Yet there it was. It can't have been fictitious.:) At least not from RT.

BTW it appears that one computer is often shared between folks, especially at club functions and parties etc. This is what has obviously occurred recently, leading to a number of 'floater' posts from copycats. :D Since it was the anniversary party of one such club I have determined that this is the root of the problem. A pc was borrowed and returned mysteriously last night requiring a little housekeeping. As well, since my IP too was banned as were others, there appears to have been a problem with the forum mechanics, particularly yesterday.

I also noted that an Al Carson attended the club do, and his email is acarson@aol.com, a fictitious one since all messages bounce from it. Al is a funny proposition, often imitating various people (particularly a Vincent) to suit his own loopy ends. I have been told he was there. Maybe he was just emailing again. He means well and should be ignored or he will get worse. You get outrider types at these functions. If I tell him not to turn up he will bombard me with emails of a semi-humorous kind.

Need it be said that RTL&ES is the most honest of concerns , without being too self-promoting, and there's usually a simple explanation for anything unusual. It is generally the backlash from the havoc that Al has wreaked among skeptics who have not liked the treatment.

Anyway, if an apology is due you have it. I don't know what has transpired since I posted the initial offer to help Clondike Clad. That's all I wrote. :|

Thank you

RTL&ES

-HAPPY VALENTINES DAY TO ALL. IT'S NOT BAD TO BE ALONE.-

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"I think I spie a wee leprechaun standing there so you can appraise the matter to be sure, to be sure.. His name be Carl and he sells a lord of printers and many types of accusatory and negatory knick knacks. Begorrah, be Carl and he's pulling the leg it be. I've never bin so insulted in mi loif. I'm never goin to go there agen."


What an absolutely incredulous story. To my eye, a tear was brought. :rolleyes:

I've seen half-hour situation comedies that weren't that convoluted and filled with baloney. How many folks here bought this latest literary masterpiece from Vincent Blanes?

Not I................. :D

Better luck next time, genius. ;)

[Rangertell]

Thanks for bringing that to my attention. I can see where you're coming from, but think it through. Al it was who left his graffiti on the username CP. You've no idea how complicated seven registrations and emails become. Al has an anti-skeptic hang up and he's not at all welcome until he recovers , for the fourth time in as many years. :shocked:

You'll have to ask Aloysius Carson what I might come up with. It isn't me. Sorry. Masked adulation is inappropriate. :nono:

RTL&ES

[Qiaozhi]

You've no idea how complicated seven registrations and emails become.
In that case you should be pleased that you're now reduced to the login you started with. i.e. Rangertell. ;)

And while you're modifying your profile, you might like to change your email address back to the one on your website, as (according to your own words) the email address acarson@aol.com is fictitious.

[Rangertell]

In that case you should be pleased that you're now reduced to the login you started with. i.e. Rangertell. ;)

And while you're modifying your profile, you might like to change your email address back to the one on your website, as (according to your own words) the email address acarson@aol.com is fictitious.


I thank you. That was the one there.
You've made this forum a lot easier to manage.

Al is the type of email goon you have to watch. If I knew him personally I would have to visit everyone with him twice. The second time to explain his actions. He's a very intelligent mimic though. Copy perfect. He'd make a master spy if he wasn't so irritating with his OC whatever.

RTL&ES





"And if you can't be with the one you love... love the one you're with." ............. 70's music

[joecoin]

I've been on a lot of internet forums throughout the years, and I've seen a lot of bizzare posts, but this whole thread is like something out of Dr Suess.

[Carl-NC]

I've been on a lot of internet forums throughout the years, and I've seen a lot of bizzare posts, but this whole thread is like something out of Dr Suess.

Now you know the world of Ranger-Tell. Deceptions, fabrications, and unintelligible writing.

[Rangertell]

Now you know the world of Ranger-Tell. Deceptions, fabrications, and unintelligible writing.



It's not Rangertell, Carl. It's Al Carson. Didn't you read the posts?
He's deceived you. I told you he was good. You have to be a polly to understand his writhings..I mean writings. :cool:

The answer's simple: Twisted identity-adopting skeptic tells annoying lies on forums. A like self arises viz in this case Al Carson. On other forums there are twisting, conniving counter-posts as the two forms face each other. Pretty to watch if you like dinosaur fighting. One changes and relaxes into a quiet rebuke on another forum. Al finds him and commences to counter again. There's the Seuss psychology etc. Personality clash. On the other forums Al wrote as RT. He simply continued his style.



RTL&ES




"Politics and the truth are bedfellows. Go figure." Anon

[Qiaozhi]

It's not Rangertell, Carl. It's Al Carson. Didn't you read the posts?
He's deceived you. I told you he was good. You have to be a polly to understand his writhings..I mean writings. :cool:

The answer's simple: Twisted identity-adopting skeptic tells annoying lies on forums. A like self arises viz in this case Al Carson. On other forums there are twisting, conniving counter-posts as the two forms face each other. Pretty to watch if you like dinosaur fighting. One changes and relaxes into a quiet rebuke on another forum. Al finds him and commences to counter again. There's the Seuss psychology etc. Personality clash. On the other forums Al wrote as RT. He simply continued his style.



RTL&ES




"Politics and the truth are bedfellows. Go figure." Anon

:lol: :lol: :lol: Whatever...

You're not fooling anyone, except yourself. :razz:
... and (of course) a few gullible members of the human race.

[Theseus]

It's not Rangertell, Carl. It's Al Carson. Didn't you read the posts?
He's deceived you. I told you he was good. You have to be a polly to understand his writhings..I mean writings. :cool:

Rave on... you are only digging a very deep hole for yourself, and really fooling no one; certainly not those you are responding to. Additionally, you are showing everyone what lengths you will go to while protecting a very shady business venture. Imagine the image you are projecting to potential "gullibles". Even the most gullible and technically-challenged will no doubt think twice before exposing themselves to your tactics.

There is no Al Carson, no Ranger-Tell, and no Mr Golding. There is only Vincent Blanes, who is quite perturbed at being exposed for the shenanigans he is responsible for.

Probably you should just cut your losses and bow out quietly; or I guess you could stick around and shoot your other foot off. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Rangertell]

Rave on... you are only digging a very deep hole for yourself, and really fooling no one; certainly not those you are responding to. Additionally, you are showing everyone what lengths you will go to while protecting a very shady business venture. Imagine the image you are projecting to potential "gullibles". Even the most gullible and technically-challenged will no doubt think twice before exposing themselves to your tactics.

There is no Al Carson, no Ranger-Tell, and no Mr Golding. There is only Vincent Blanes, who is quite perturbed at being exposed for the shenanigans he is responsible for.

Probably you should just cut your losses and bow out quietly; or I guess you could stick around and shoot your other foot off. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Well, well. What a place to meet you Sam, at the Gathering of the Delusional. There is no bad Carl, no bad CC...only Theseus or bad Sam S. What are you up to these days you old stick (or should I say skeptical black sheep)?

You guys won't get off your asses and do anything. You're only here to seek attention. :shocked:

[Theseus]

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Well, well. What a place to meet you Sam, at the Gathering of the Delusional. There is no bad Carl, no bad CC...only Theseus or bad Sam S. What are you up to these days you old stick (or should I say skeptical black sheep)?

You guys won't get off your asses and do anything. You're only here to seek attention. :shocked:

Delusional??? I guess you must be looking in the mirror again. You remind me of a cute little poem I once read:

I met a man upon the stair
A little man who wasn't there
He wasn't there again today
I wish to heck he'd go away

:D :D :D :D :D :D

[Rangertell]

Delusional??? I guess you must be looking in the mirror again. You remind me of a cute little poem I once read:

I met a man upon the stair
A little man who wasn't there
He wasn't there again today
I wish to heck he'd go away

:D :D :D :D :D :D

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Alright for you fella to drive round in another man's vehicle hollering you're some kind of a god called Theseus and claiming invisible little men you are deluded enough to see are hiding from you. Leprechauns of course.:lol::lol:

......

Don't listen to those voices in the background. They're probably false identities Sam's constructed. A guy with a junkyard running a forum here?
Nah! :D

Well, it's my birthday today and I'm almost late for a party. I'm 42. Au revoir. :cheers:

AC

[Qiaozhi]

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Alright for you fella to drive round in another man's vehicle hollering you're some kind of a god called Theseus and claiming invisible little men you are deluded enough to see are hiding from you. Leprechauns of course.:lol::lol:

......

Don't listen to those voices in the background. They're probably false identities Sam's constructed. A guy with a junkyard running a forum here?
Nah! :D

Well, it's my birthday today and I'm almost late for a party. I'm 42. Au revoir. :cheers:

AC
Oops! :shocked:

Looks like you've slipped up again. Now you claim to be Ranger-Tell, and not Al Carson ... BUT - you've just signed out as AC. :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Fred]

Oops! :shocked:

Looks like you've slipped up again. Now you claim to be Ranger-Tell, and not Al Carson ... BUT - you've just signed out as AC. :lol: :lol: :lol:

:lol:
Lynx eye Qiaozhi ?

[Theseus]

Oops! :shocked:

Looks like you've slipped up again. Now you claim to be Ranger-Tell, and not Al Carson ... BUT - you've just signed out as AC. :lol: :lol: :lol:

When you have as many aliases as he has created in his little head, I imagine it is real hard to keep track of all them, or to even remember which one he is at that moment.

Then, of course, he has the added problem of believing he is talking to his long lost friends(?) from some previous encounter he had. I think the poor guy might need a Daily Planner and a Secretary just to help him keep it all straight.

Me thinks it might have been just as easy to be Vincent Blanes and skip all the intrigue and cloak and dagger stuff, especially since he hasn't fooled anyone anyway. But, whatever........... :lol: :lol: :lol:

[J_Player]

Hi Rangertell,

It seems the forum has strayed from the original purpose of this thread: "One more to prove the concept".
I can see there have been difficulties in establishing the correct identity, but assuming I am talking to the person who represents the RangerTell company, perhaps we can get past any confusion of who might have been posting previously. Any continued accusations and finger-pointing seem a waste of time when there is only one issue to deal with: "Does the RangerTell work"?

Most of the skeptics in this forum don't believe the RangerTell Examiner will find treasure because they can't imagine any way the internal components could work. Neither can I. But I do not share the views of the other skeptics in this forum whereby I must understand the working principles before I will admit a device works. All I need is to see it working reliably, then I can work out the details of how I think it works later. Just because I can't imagine how it can work does not mean it can't work. The only real proof of the pudding is in the eating. This means, that if the RangerTell finds treasure for people who use it, then it is a valuable commodity, regardless of what principle it works on. This is why I am willing to provide a fair test for any LRL to do what it is claimed to do in public with any skeptics and LRL proponents watching to insure the testing is fair.

The reason I bring this up is that Clondike Clad recently declined to accept the replacement RangerTell you offered. I would be willing to accept his replacement and then test it at some known treasure bearing locations in the area where I live (Southern California). When testing the RangerTell, I will also invite any forum members to watch the testing. I know there are several members of this forum who live in my area, who are neither for or against long range locators. It would be most helpful if a RangerTell agent were present to properly adjust the RangerTell Examiner in order to insure we are using it in it's optimum treasure seeking mode. But if there is no agent available, then I suppose the CD will explain how to properly use the RangerTell. If the RangerTell works as you say it does, then I will be the first to place my order for another on ebay, and I know at least one other customer from this forum who will buy if he sees it work in a credible live test.

I will also be happy to post photos in this forum and the other major treasure hunting forums of the RangerTell in action, as well as hold weekend demonstrations for anyone who wants to see it work.This could be an opportunity to prove that the RangerTell Examiner works in spite of what Carl-NC says, and to prove it in his own forum. If you want, I could also put up a professional web page showing the RangerTell working, and inviting people for weekend demonstrations.

It is sad that Clondike Clad is not willing to accept his replacement RangerTell.
So why not send it to me. I can guarantee it will see a lot of high visibility use in the field.

Please post an answer in this forum.
If you are interested, we can handle the details in PMs.

Best wishes,
J_P


(http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=85650#post85650)

[Dell Winders]

works in spite of what Carl-NC says, and to prove it in his own forum.

I surely don't know why Carl, would claim LRL doesn't work when there have been several instances of treasure recoveries reported by users of Carl's LRL.
Here is the latest one I ran across.

I'm sure it cost some bucks to bring in Frank Casser, and his equipment to verify locations made with Carl's LRL.

[QUOTE]OK...Here's a picture to satisfy the OKM fans...found with my own LRL (a design a copied from Carl's website and then tweaked to work properly...lol), I then verified the site with 5 of Bob's Fitzgerald's Instruments (Navigator, Trailblazer, Mother Load (GR), Maxi-Pulse Plus PI w/4' Loop, and the PPL. Then for sh*#'s and giggles I brought in Frank Casser with every OKM instrument known to man...lol. Frank Casser verified what I had already discovered with my little LRL design that I got thanks to one of the biggest LRL pessimist in the world...ROFLMAO Thanks Carl /QUOTE]

[J_Player]

I surely don't know why Carl, would claim LRL doesn't work when there have been several instances of treasure recoveries reported by users of Carl's LRL.

Here is the latest one I ran across. "OK...Here's a picture to satisfy the OKM fans...found with my own LRL (a design a copied from Carl's website and then tweaked to work properly...lol), I then verified the site with 5 of Bob's Fitzgerald's Instruments (Navigator, Trailblazer, Mother Load (GR), Maxi-Pulse Plus PI w/4' Loop, and the PPL. Then for sh*#'s and giggles I brought in Frank Casser with every OKM instrument known to man...lol. Frank Casser verified what I had already discovered with my little LRL design that I got thanks to one of the biggest LRL pessimist in the world...ROFLMAO Thanks CarlPerhaps Carl claims LRL doesn't work because you refuse to demonstrate any LRL you sell working. You quoted a post made by someone claims a single find that he did not recover... and a lot of rhetoric about how treasure was verified. :nono: Are you aware that Carl has already pointed out the number of chance real treasure recoveries made by people who sometimes don't even have treasure hunting equipment? These are well documented in the newspapers over the years. Now you try to prove Carl wrong with another un-recovered treasure?

Are you ready to demonstrate any of your LRLs working live in front of skeptic witnesses from this forum actually recovering treasure? Or should we assume they don't work, and the best you can do is call people names and refer to ancient chance discoveries made by others that cannot be verified to show your LRLs work?

Somehow, I expected this BS from you. Lots of talk and no action when it comes to showing your goods working.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Steve in MS]

J_Player, I know your intentions are good but regarding your post to Rangertell.
He will never go along with this line of reasoning because the mystique is whether his device actually works or not.
As long as he can keep ones guessing about the usefullness of his products, he has a chance of making a sell:D:D.
I have to admit like you however, I don't have to know how something works, just as long as it does.
The trouble with LRLs, especially these swindle types, hmmmm:D:D:D:D, I mean swivel types, there is no way to ever know if they are really working as they will swing around if the wind is blowing them and if the pivot is not perfectly held vertical at all times while using it.
On top of all that, I bet inertia of movement can cause the turning of the rod.
My question: How could anyone guarantee such a contraption to find anything:D:razz::lol:?

[J_Player]

J_Player, I know your intentions are good but regarding your post to Rangertell.
He will never go along with this line of reasoning because the mystique is whether him device actually works or not.

...My question: How could anyone guarantee such a contraption to find anything:D:razz::lol:?Hi Steve in MS,

Rangertell can speak for himself. Whether he goes along with it is his decision.

How he can guarantee it is something we do not know, since we don't understand the principles under which it works. So any presumptions we make are just guesses. The only way we will know for sure is to use it and see it working live. Once we see it working and finding targets, then all our rhetoric about how it can't work will become pure BS rather than speculative thinking.

Best wishes,
J_P