One more to prove the concept [Archive] - Page 2

Steve in MS

02-16-2009, 05:07 AM

Hi Steve in MS,

Rangertell can speak for himself. Whether he goes along with it is his decision.

How he can guarantee it is something we do not know, since we don't understand the principles under which it works. So any presumptions we make are just guesses. The only way we will know for sure is to use it and see it working live. Once we see it working and finding targets, then all our rhetoric about how it can't work will become pure BS rather than speculative thinking.

Best wishes,
J_P

No problem, friend. I guess the sure way would be to buy his product and try it for oneself but for me I like to see some level of competence that it works before I buy it, like from others whose statements could be trusted.
If you can get a loaner or a free one then by all means, go for it.
So far though from the posts on this forum, the evidence isn't very compelling to me.
Regards.

Rangertell

02-16-2009, 05:20 AM

Hey, it's Carl's claim that HIS LRL, works as well, or better than any LRL on the market, and it's being proved. It's not my claim, it's Carl's.

I can understand an inflated ego attacking me. I don't have any degrees, and hardly any formal education to defend.

You should be happy Carl has proven his electronic ability to build a working LRL, better than mine, for you to copy and use. The majority of LRL's have been designed and built by electronic engineers, and techs, and certainly not by me. There's nothing wrong with that, is there? Dell

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You've got it in one Dell. :) Why would Carl be stonewall-anti LRLs/MFDs when he has often mentioned that they work and 'sells' one of his own design? One only has to go his 'Projects' page to see how to build an MFD. Here is an unedited transcipt from that page:

For those that don't know, MFD (Molecular Frequency Discriminator) is another word for LRL.

Fig. 10: MFD Triangulation
There are two potential pitfalls with MFDs and both are due to the incredible sensitivity. An MFD has the ability to pick up target signals from as much as 10 miles away, though 1-3 miles is more typical. This means that it can take quite some time and effort to trace out the signal line. Once you have the target pinpointed you may have to face another problem: depth. The MFD can detect targets as deep as 100-200 feet, so locating the target is only half the battle. If a metal detector does not verify the existance of a metal target at the identified location then you should bring in excavation equipment. If no obvious target is found when you reach 200 feet, then the target was most likely subatomic gold particles - you cannot see it and most chemical analyses will not detect it either, but the MFD will.

Copyright © 1999-2004 Carl W. Moreland, all rights reserved.

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Though there are some that claim this is tongue-in-cheek, those who understand the English language can see it is a serious statement, not a sarcastic one. Carl's page is a serious how-to re MFDs/LRLs. :|

It needs to be said that the difference between a good LRL and just another, is it's ability to avoid this micro gold (sub-atomic particles). If it mentions that it has an anti microgold function, then it's likely it's a good one.

Investing in a good microscope is a must when LRLing. I can recommend Digital Blue Computer microscopes (x200). You will see that even though you think you've missed, there will be easily identifiable microgold in your shots. Take soil from around the area and there won't be.

Carl certainly does have a neat answer for beginners there and his LRLs should not be belittled. He says all others are dowsing. This means he is likely backing his own against them. Why don't we challenge him to prove his is better than a few of the ones he has commented on.

Vic Blaines the LRL inventor
(Fake name added to keep the forum on-topic.) :|

Carl-NC

02-16-2009, 05:23 AM

I surely don't know why Carl, would claim LRL doesn't work when there have been several instances of treasure recoveries reported by users of Carl's LRL.

I've not seen a recovered treasure found with my LRL. Have you? Certainly Don Patterson hasn't recovered anything.

- Carl

J_Player

02-16-2009, 05:26 AM

If you can get a loaner or a free one then by all means, go for it.
So far though from the posts on this forum, the evidence isn't very compelling to me.Hi Steve in MS,
A loaner would be nice. I technically haven't asked for a free one, only that the one they were going to ship as a replacement to Clondike Clad to be shipped to me instead. What I would really like is for a Rangertell agent to demonstrate how to use the Examiner, so we could see how to adjust it and watch it work before trying it out ourselves. I would gladly pay for it if I see it finds treasure like Rangertell says, and I would lead many others to buy them too.

Of course the evidence isn't very compelling, that's why we're skeptics. But it seems Rangertell may have gotten a bad break with all the flack directed against him. He seems like a pretty good guy if you treat him decent. I don't know about all this alias name stuff, only that he carried on a nice conversation with me in the PM he sent me. So why not give him a chance?

Best wishes,
J_P

Rangertell

02-16-2009, 05:38 AM

Hi Steve in MS,
A loaner would be nice. I technically haven't asked for a free one, only that the one they were going to ship as a replacement to Clondike Clad to be shipped to me instead. What I would really like is for a Rangertell agent to demonstrate how to use the Examiner, so we could see how to adjust it and watch it work before trying it out ourselves. I would gladly pay for it if I see it finds treasure like Rangertell says, and I would lead many others to buy them too.

Of course the evidence isn't very compelling, that's why we're skeptics. But it seems Rangertell may have gotten a bad break with all the flack directed against him. He seems like a pretty good guy if you treat him decent. I don't know about all this alias name stuff, only that he carried on a nice conversation with me in the PM he sent me. So why not give him a chance?

Best wishes,
J_P

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The 'alien' names were only the result of a server malfunction that banned IPs etc. That and the use of a pc by others. You see if the first username could not work and there are at least four ways of writing Rangertell, seven or eight attempts to register again with different names (obviously) would still draw a blank if the first was still operative. Carl and co. would think it was an LRL company trying to abuse his forum and retaliate. The fact the names worked but then petered out a few minutes later (the server) is the explanation. There there was Al Carson. Oooh boy! :lol:

Vic Blaines the LRL inventor
(fake name added to keep forum on-topic) :|

J_Player

02-16-2009, 05:46 AM

The 'alien' names were only the result of a server malfunction that banned IPs etc. That and the use of a pc by others.Hi Rangertell,
Ok, so there was some confusion with servers and people using a PC.
So what about the idea of sending Clondike Clad's replacement to me for testing and demonstrating?

Best wishes,
J_P

Rangertell

02-16-2009, 06:47 AM

Hi Rangertell,
Ok, so there was some confusion with servers and people using a PC.
So what about the idea of sending Clondike Clad's replacement to me for testing and demonstrating?

Best wishes,
J_P

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Someone told me there were forum people who wanted a unit to ruin. You can understand my reluctance. :(

We did this once and never saw the item again.

Leave it with me. I will PM you how I think you can do this.

V Blaines
(Fake name added so forum stays on-topic)

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"If it's still up there and flying, the last kid with a slingshot left town a while ago." Anon

Steve in MS

02-16-2009, 09:23 AM

Hi Steve in MS,
A loaner would be nice. I technically haven't asked for a free one, only that the one they were going to ship as a replacement to Clondike Clad to be shipped to me instead. What I would really like is for a Rangertell agent to demonstrate how to use the Examiner, so we could see how to adjust it and watch it work before trying it out ourselves. I would gladly pay for it if I see it finds treasure like Rangertell says, and I would lead many others to buy them too.

Of course the evidence isn't very compelling, that's why we're skeptics. But it seems Rangertell may have gotten a bad break with all the flack directed against him. He seems like a pretty good guy if you treat him decent. I don't know about all this alias name stuff, only that he carried on a nice conversation with me in the PM he sent me. So why not give him a chance?

Best wishes,
J_P

Hey, I am starting to fell sorry for Ranger and Dell, all this mistreatment:???::lol:.
Seriously their products need to be seriously examined, it is up to them to put on some kind of demonstration so I see nothing wrong with your willingness to give it a shot.
Yes, I am willing to see what happens but I am not in gold country...well maybe some buried gold coins somewhere but where and if they are there is anyone guess.
Maybe it goes back to the early days of LRLs where all kind of claims were made that were totally baseless.
Hope it works out and I will keep an open (somewhat skeptical:D) mind about it, even if the results are not totally positive, after all, there is nothing perfect in this world except our current president:D:D:razz::razz::lol::lol:.
See Dell, I even gave you a break on this one:D!
Regards.

Qiaozhi

02-16-2009, 10:01 AM

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You've got it in one Dell. :) Why would Carl be stonewall-anti LRLs/MFDs when he has often mentioned that they work and 'sells' one of his own design? One only has to go his 'Projects' page to see how to build an MFD. Here is an unedited transcipt from that page:
Nice try, but no cigar! :razz:
Carl has never mentioned that MFDs work. Please show me where you read this?
The MFD shown in the Projects section is a spoof article, and the device is not for sale. Yes - it "works" equally as well as any other MFD on the market ... and also with the same accuracy as pure chance.

For those that don't know, MFD (Molecular Frequency Discriminator) is another word for LRL.
Or, in other words, an electronically enhanced dowsing rod. The addition of the "do nothing" electronics is a tried and tested technique for wallet-mining the technically challenged.

Though there are some that claim this is tongue-in-cheek, those who understand the English language can see it is a serious statement, not a sarcastic one. Carl's page is a serious how-to re MFDs/LRLs. :|
"Serious statement" ?? Who do you think you're fooling?
Sarcasm just oozes from this article. You can almost smell it.

It needs to be said that the difference between a good LRL and just another, is it's ability to avoid this micro gold (sub-atomic particles). If it mentions that it has an anti microgold function, then it's likely it's a good one.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
My goodness ... that's a new one.
What utter twoddle.
Since when has micro-gold been sub-atomic????? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Investing in a good microscope is a must when LRLing. I can recommend Digital Blue Computer microscopes (x200). You will see that even though you think you've missed, there will be easily identifiable microgold in your shots. Take soil from around the area and there won't be.
Oh yes - the old excuse about micro-gold. :rolleyes:

Carl certainly does have a neat answer for beginners there and his LRLs should not be belittled. He says all others are dowsing. This means he is likely backing his own against them. Why don't we challenge him to prove his is better than a few of the ones he has commented on.
Carl does not sell LRLs, MFDs, or any other dowsing related nonsense. This is best left to the wallet-miners.

Rangertell

02-16-2009, 10:24 AM

Nice try, but no cigar! :razz:
Carl has never mentioned that MFDs work. Please show me where where you read this?
The MFD shown in the Projects section is a spoof article, and the device is not for sale. Yes - it "works" equally as well as any other MFD on the market ... and also with the same accuracy as pure chance.

Or, in other words, an electronically enhanced dowsing rod. The addition of the "do nothing" electronics is a tried and tested technique for wallet-mining the technically challenged.

"Serious statement" ?? Who do you think you're fooling?
Sarcasm just oozes from this article. You can almost smell it.

:lol: :lol: :lol:
My goodness ... that's a new one.
What utter twoddle.
Since when has micro-gold been sub-atomic????? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Oh yes - the old excuse about micro-gold. :rolleyes:

Carl does not sell LRLs, MFDs, or any other dowsing related nonsense. This is best left to the wallet-miners.

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If this is a spoof article, then every textbook ever written is the work of a twisted forum geek.:D

http://www.geotech1.com/cgi-bin/pages/common/index.pl?page=lrl&file=/projects/mfd1/index.dat

There's no direct connection with the prior article, which is a negatory. It's as if Carl has succeeded with his MFD.

No-one said anything about selling. The word 'sells' is in italics. To sell and to paint in a good light are often the same.

Aaark!! :lol::lol::lol::lol::D Where is this sarcasm?? Please quote a line. No wonder my projects didn't work out all the time. They were spoofs.

Carl said sub-atomic. He meant microscopic. I wouldn't have confused sub-atomic with microscopic referring to 200x microscopes.

The crux of this matter is that the article is a spoof. I say no and challenge you to quote me a line that disproves this. :nono:

I don't have much of my hols to go, so if you want to tell me something please do it soon.

Vic Blaines
(Fake name to stop off-topic posting)

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"An argument as thin as tissue, is thick enough to cloud the issue" -Anon

J_Player

02-16-2009, 10:36 AM

Aaark!! :lol::lol::lol::lol::D Where is this sarcasm?? Please quote a line.

Hi Rangertell,

Errr... with all due respect, I think Carl's article is intended to show exactly how to build a MFD detector, but is also a spoof.
The quote that convinced me is in the very last part of the report at the bottom of the page. I actually laughed when I read this:
Once you have the target pinpointed you may have to face another problem: depth. The MFD can detect targets as deep as 100-200 feet, so locating the target is only half the battle. If a metal detector does not verify the existance of a metal target at the identified location then you should bring in excavation equipment. If no obvious target is found when you reach 200 feet, then the target was most likely subatomic gold particles - you cannot see it and most chemical analyses will not detect it either, but the MFD will.

Best wishes,
J_P

Rangertell

02-16-2009, 10:58 AM

Hi Rangertell,

Errr... with all due respect, I think Carl's article is intended to show exactly how to build a MFD detector, but is also a spoof.
The quote that convinced me is in the very last part of the report at the bottom of the page. I actually laughed when I read this:

Best wishes,
J_P

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With equally due respect, I have struck this interpretation before. That's what I meant when referring to some people thinking it was tongue-in-cheek.

Digging 200 feet is not unusual in mining. It happens often and sometimes when micro gold is not factored into the equation. But LRL manufacturers can't walk the users to their objectives and back. Good ones urge where they can to only dig shallow targets before trying anything too adventurous. Only after success with shallow targets should the user try deeper.

Well this explains why you don't believe the pro-LRLers here. Your alphabet has 52 letters, most of which one cannot see.

Sorry, there is no deeper treatment here. He is telling the reader that MFDs work but there are catches if they don't realize they're very sensitive.

Are we talking of MFDs here...or lemmings?
:eek:

Vic Blaines
(Fake name to stop off-topic posting)

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J_Player

02-16-2009, 11:04 AM

Well this explains why you don't believe the pro-LRLers here. Your alphabet has 52 letters, most of which one cannot see.The reason I don't believe has nothing to do with invisible alphabet letters. It is because no pro-LRLers, or for that matter, no person on earth has ever demonstrated an LRL working in front of me to recover a target. All I hear is talk, no action.

Best wishes,
J_P

Qiaozhi

02-16-2009, 11:36 AM

Aaark!! :lol::lol::lol::lol::D Where is this sarcasm?? Please quote a line.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
You even quoted it yourself:
"If no obvious target is found when you reach 200 feet, then the target was most likely subatomic gold particles - you cannot see it and most chemical analyses will not detect it either, but the MFD will."

Unfortunately, you are so blinded by your own pseudo-scientific BS, that you can no longer recognize sarcasm when you see it. :razz:

No wonder my projects didn't work out all the time. They were spoofs.
You said it, not me.
This quote will no doubt come back to haunt you. :shocked:

Carl said sub-atomic. He meant microscopic. I wouldn't have confused sub-atomic with microscopic referring to 200x microscopes.
Again - this was sarcasm.

The crux of this matter is that the article is a spoof. I say no and challenge you to quote me a line that disproves this. :nono:
I've already done this - see above.
If you don't believe me, simply ask Carl. :rolleyes:

Remember when you posted my own spoof article on your website. Talk about gullible. :stars:

Rangertell

02-16-2009, 11:41 AM

The reason I don't believe has nothing to do with invisible alphabet letters. It is because no pro-LRLers, or for that matter, no person on earth has ever demonstrated an LRL working in front of me to recover a target. All I hear is talk, no action.

Best wishes,
J_P

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What a shame. It only takes a minute to prove it (literally).

I can pick up my Examiner, enter in the gold frequency in 1 second and go 20 feet into my garden to where the antenna circles. I then use my fingers in the topsoil until the antenna tells me I have the gold in my hand. This takes 5 seconds. I then return to my microscope and presto...a gold grain. :) Ah, the totally satisfying feeling. :oh:

I don't need to put my digit in my ear, or twist my face in a certain way or anything. I could be asleep (not really) and the antenna would do so independently of me to indicate the gold location.

Gold is not omnipresent in the soil here. It's an alluvial bed a few miles down from a goldmining reef area. During floods there has been a deposition of very fine gold. But the gold is not everywhere in the soil. If this were so I would be a sluicing millionaire.

The same applies anywhere there is reasonable gold. Grain or boulder nugget...it's the same. So what have you here then? Why laugh at it? Do you think I'm going to worry? :rolleyes:

How many metal detectorists use a microscope? Not many. They tend to imagine either that they can't work the thing or ??? But it worked with the samples, so what is wrong?, they think.

"I don't think LRLs work really...They work with samples but I can't find anything in the field." -Common User

Many microscopic (and subatomic) gold particles create a reflection scenario that makes it appear there is a large nugget or occurrence.

Buy you a computer microscope then report back to the forum as to what the truth is. They're only $50USD on ebay (e.g. Digital Blue Q3 or Q5 etc). You will then realize that every time you have found 'nothing' you have found microgold. Otherwise the Examiner would not have indicated where it did.

You need to use the anti microgold frequency or use the sizing dial to avoid this micro gold.

PS: Of course this is surface or close to it, so set accordingly. But it applies to all metals, minerals or gemstones. You have found a microscopic quantity of what you have sought. Assayers won't tell you. Only your eyes behind the microscope. :)

I am going now since as was said unless you're a clown it looks like advertising. It's not, believe me. That's why some appear to have a hang up and why I don't post anymore. I am simply telling you what an LRL is. Okay, so until we meet again. Take care and good detecting!

RTL&ES

V. Blaines Anon
(trick name appears to have stopped off-topic posting)

End of 'replacement' sessions..damn that server!

PS: If you think one RT unit sold every 4.2 days since Feb 2002 is abyssmal, half your luck! It pays the bills.
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Qiaozhi

02-16-2009, 11:50 AM

He is telling the reader that MFDs work but there are catches if they don't realize they're very sensitive.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
You're even more gullible than I thought!!

If you think your posts here are going to convince anyone that this MFD article is anything other than a spoof, then you are totally delusional.

I cannot imagine that sales figures for the Examiner are anything but abysmal, but your negative marketing here is only making it worse. :nono:

Happy wallet-mining...

Qiaozhi

02-16-2009, 12:44 PM

I am going now since as was said unless you're a clown it looks like advertising. It's not, believe me. That's why some appear to have a hang up and why I don't post anymore. I am simply telling you what an LRL is. Okay, so until we meet again. Take care and good detecting!

RTL&ES

V. Blaines Anon
(trick name appears to have stopped off-topic posting)

End of 'replacement' sessions..damn that server!

PS: If you think one RT unit sold every 4.2 days since Feb 2002 is abyssmal, half your luck! It pays the bills.
PSS:
"That's why some appear to have a hang up and why I don't post anymore." ... I suppose that's why you keep going back and modifying your existing posts then? (Except your time limit has now expired. But perhaps we can expect more posts later??) :rolleyes:

Rangertell

02-16-2009, 01:23 PM

"That's why some appear to have a hang up and why I don't post anymore." ... I suppose that's why you keep going back and modifying your existing posts then? (Except your time limit has now expired. But perhaps we can expect more posts later??) :rolleyes:
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No there will be no posts later at this stage. My hols are over. However I have failed to enter the PSS:

PSS: When I said this is surface or near surface I meant the picking of gold grains. The concept applies to great depth of course, and distance. (tens of feet and hundreds of feet/meters respectively)

Thanks for allowing me to arrange a replacement. Some others live in hope now and CC may even get one some day. The better the sales, the more older units may become available. :)

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"The moving finger writes..and having writ..moves on!

J_Player

02-16-2009, 01:27 PM

Yes, I am willing to see what happens but I am not in gold country...well maybe some buried gold coins somewhere but where and if they are there is anyone guess.Hi Steve in MS,

Actually you may be in a good location for using a RangerTell (if it works).
If you are in an area that is barren of natural gold, then you won't have so much micro-gold to interfere with the detection of larger objects. You may look at old homesteads in the countryside or battlefields to find the same kind of treasures that detectorists look for. Who knows? Maybe you will find buried confederate gold or silver. The rangerTell is supposed to take the guesswork out of where to look.

Best wishes,
J_P

Qiaozhi

02-16-2009, 01:46 PM

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No there will be no posts later at this stage. My hols are over. However I have failed to enter the PSS:

PSS: When I said this is surface or near surface I meant the picking of gold grains. The concept applies to great depth of course, and distance. (tens of feet and hundreds of feet/meters respectively)

Thanks for allowing me to arrange a replacement. Some others live in hope now and CC may even get one some day. The better the sales, the more older units may become available. :)

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"The moving finger writes..and having writ..moves on!
Unfortunately for you, you arrived on this forum at a bad time. We experienced some problems with hackers over the Christmas period, and consequently Geotech was moved to a new server. Since then we have clamped down heavily on spammers, duplicate user names, and anyone making a nuisance of themselves.

The Remote Sensing section is the most relaxed forum on Geotech, with regard to the rules. But - if you are a purveyor of LRLs and/or dowsing contraptions (often referred to here as "wallet-miners") then you have to learn to take the flak (Flugabwehrkanone). Both Dell and Hung have become adept at this over time.

If you do decide to stick around, then please refrain from using such terms as "meathead, dishonest, uncouth moron and monkey", as you did earlier.

None of our skeptical comments are meant to be personal, but we do like to say what we think.
Let's hope that CC actually receives a replacement Examiner. You could gain some brownie points if this ever happens. ;)

Theseus

02-16-2009, 02:26 PM

Thanks for allowing me to arrange a replacement. Some others live in hope now and CC may even get one some day. The better the sales, the more older units may become available. :)

You know J_Player, I really liked your proposal to Vincent Blanes, and was hoping you could arrange getting the unit to test.

However, I was also aware that NO semi-successful Wallet-miner would EVER take part in a real test of his wares. So, in that regard, I merely stepped back and kept track of how long... and how many posts it would take for Vincent to avoid sending you CC's replacement dowsing contraption.

Notice, from his final(?) remarks above that he has avoided sending you a unit for test and has now retracted his promise to send CC a replacement by saying; "..CC may even get one some day".

What a dance step Mr. Blanes has demonstrated.... wouldn't you say?

Spoken like the true Wallet-miner he is!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

hung

02-16-2009, 02:28 PM

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What a shame. It only takes a minute to prove it (literally).

With me it took only 25 seconds. Well, including the time to hit the numbers in the calculator.:D

There's the Examiner Voltage Report I wrote in this forum somewhere last year maybe, so:
To the non-skeptics (skeptics are hopeless);

RTFVR!

Or.. Read The F... Voltage Report!:lol:

Good luck on your ventures RT!:thumb:

Qiaozhi

02-16-2009, 02:39 PM

With me it took only 25 seconds. Well, including the time to hit the numbers in the calculator.:D
In fact, it took even less time than that!
It was the moment you opened your wallet at time=0. :lol:

Theseus

02-16-2009, 02:54 PM

To the non-skeptics (skeptics are hopeless);

Hopeless? I don't think so, but they are ever vigilant and persistent and obviously keep getting in the way of, and thwarting Wallet-miners. ;)

:razz::razz::razz::razz::razz:

Carl-NC

02-16-2009, 03:56 PM

If this is a spoof article...

Yes, it is a spoof article.

Carl said sub-atomic. He meant microscopic.

No, I meant sub-atomic, as in "smaller than atoms." This is part of the joke. I guess I should add that, "you can use a small 1TeV supercollider to verify the presence of sub-atomic gold." Would that make it more obvious?

The crux of this matter is that the article is a spoof. I say no and challenge you to quote me a line that disproves this.

How about this line: "The article is a spoof." You can quote me on that.

- Carl

Fred

02-16-2009, 04:12 PM

Dell Winders

02-16-2009, 04:22 PM

[QUOTE] Since then we have clamped down heavily on spammers, duplicate user names, and anyone making a nuisance of themselves./QUOTE]

Now that's the biggest joke I have seen on here. :lol: :lol: :lol:

LOOK 8) you can see all the great spoofers, spammers, and nusciances are still posting.
Qiaozhi
Carl
Jplayer
Theseus

You scientific pretenders are the most ridiculous clowns on the internet.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Excuse me, I'm laughing so hard I can't type. It's going to take me a while to stop laughing at you jokes. :thumb::lol::lol::lol::lol::razz::lol: Dell

Theseus

02-16-2009, 05:49 PM

Dell Winders was recently amused (perhaps to the point of wetting himself) by his term; Scientific Pretender

Being able to laugh at one's self is no doubt excellent therapy, Dell, and I commend you for not taking yourself too seriously, but are able to accurately look yourself in the mirror and make an honest assessment of your own reflection.

With that in mind; and if there was a Dictionary of definitions for those folks who join two or more single words together, I'm certain that not only would your name be mentioned as a Scientific Pretender, but the definition would probably be as follows:

sci·en·tif·ic pre·tend·er ~

a person who professes scientific sounding beliefs and opinions that he does not hold, or understand the meaning of, in order to conceal his or her real feelings or motives. Synonyms; see Dell Winders, Wallet-miner, hot-melt glue gun, do-nothing electronic components and paint-roller handle

Let's all join Dell in a great laugh - :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Qiaozhi

02-16-2009, 06:50 PM

It's going to take me a while to stop laughing ... :thumb::lol::lol::lol::lol::razz::lol: Dell
I am flattered that you rate us so highly in the amusement stakes. Personally I would have thought your occasional trips to the bank were at the top of the list ... as in "laughing all the way to...". :lol:

Steve in MS

02-16-2009, 06:50 PM

With me it took only 25 seconds. Well, including the time to hit the numbers in the calculator.:D

There's the Examiner Voltage Report I wrote in this forum somewhere last year maybe, so:
To the non-skeptics (skeptics are hopeless);

RTFVR!

Or.. Read The F... Voltage Report!:lol:

Good luck on your ventures RT!:thumb:

Hung, show us some pictures of what you have found with your Ranger.

Qiaozhi

02-16-2009, 06:57 PM

:stars: This is crazy. Carl has to explain a joke article he has written is actually a joke article , because someone is so used to BS that he believes it (or pretend to ).

I want ot get out from the twilight zone,how can i do it ?

I miss the real world...the one where things really exists and can be proven.
This reminds me of "Alternative 3", which was an April Fool's spoof documentary aired in 1977. Although it was clearly a spoof, several technically challenged individuals thought it was real. Even today there are people who deny the reality of the situation.
You can read about it here ->
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_3

and you can download it from here ->
http://www.torrentportal.com/details/3866747/Alternative+Three.html

It's well worth watching. :ninja:

J_Player

02-16-2009, 08:54 PM

LOOK 8) you can see all the great spoofers, spammers, and nusciances are still posting.
Qiaozhi
Carl
Jplayer
TheseusHow interesting...
You consider spoofers, spammers, and nuisances to be the same people who speak up when they think you are full of BS. Aren't these the same people who want to see you show a live demonstration of a single one of your LRLs working to recover treasure?

So what is the reason why you refuse to give a live demonstration?

Opps... Wait, I remember...
You did give a live demonstration of locating coins at a beach. You failed miserably, then called the testing organization spokesman a liar when he said you failed. You also refused to take a re-test to prove him wrong... http://www.randi.org/jr/200511/112505psychich.html#i5

This makes me wonder....
If you continue to sell your LRLs and refuse to demonstrate a single one of them working, then who is supposed to believe they work?
Exceptionally stupid people?
The same people who believe you really passed the test for finding coins on the beach, even though the testing organization says you failed, and you still refuse to take a retest to prove them wrong?
The same people who believe everything they read on your advertising page while knowing you refuse to show your LRLs actually doing what the page shows?

I guess I am not one of those people.
I hope what I just posted does not make me a spoofer, spammer, and nuisance.
Hmmm.... Well maybe a nuisance to you.

Best wishes,
J_P

Carl-NC

02-16-2009, 09:04 PM

Dell, have you actually seen any recovered treasure that was found using an LRL built from my posted design? Or were you posting hearsay & speculation?

Dell Winders

02-16-2009, 09:36 PM

How interesting...
You consider spoofers, spammers, and nuisances to be the same people who speak up when they think you are full of BS. Aren't these the same people who want to see you show a live demonstration of a single one of your LRLs working to recover treasure?

So what is the reason why you refuse to give a live demonstration?

Opps... Wait, I remember...
You did give a live demonstration of locating coins at a beach. You failed miserably, then called the testing organization spokesman a liar when he said you failed. You also refused to take a re-test to prove him wrong... http://www.randi.org/jr/200511/112505psychich.html#i5

This makes me wonder....
If you continue to sell your LRLs and refuse to demonstrate a single one of them working, then who is supposed to believe they work?
Exceptionally stupid people?
The same people who believe you really passed the test for finding coins on the beach, even though the testing organization says you failed, and you still refuse to take a retest to prove them wrong?
The same people who believe everything they read on your advertising page while knowing you refuse to show your LRLs actually doing what the page shows?

I guess I am not one of those people.
I hope what I just posted does not make me a spoofer, spammer, and nuisance.

OOPS! Did I forget to mention liars?

I have never claimed I passed Randi's test, only that he conducted it. In fact, Randi's own words in front of witness were, More testing would have to be done before any conclusions could be made. Dell

J_Player

02-16-2009, 09:49 PM

OOPS! Did I forget to mention liars?

I have never claimed I passed Randi's test, only that he conducted it.Oh, really?
So tell us why he offered you a re-test with a million dollar prize?
And tell us why you wont demonstrate a single one of your LRLs actually doing what it is depicted to do on your advertising page?

Best wishes,
J_P

Esteban

02-16-2009, 10:53 PM

I've not seen a recovered treasure found with my LRL. Have you? Certainly Don Patterson hasn't recovered anything.

- Carl

I remember that a person said that he found gold coins with your MFD system. Think was in Germany and this person post on Treasurenet... 7... 8 years ago.

Morgan

02-16-2009, 11:07 PM

Dell, have you actually seen any recovered treasure that was found using an LRL built from my posted design? Or were you posting hearsay & speculation?
Hi Carl

Thanks a lot for this MFD circuit .
I found with your device&Rods some horse shoes but also other more interesing objects.
This MFD its not the perfect LRL but its nice for TH,and no need to buy more expensive MFD from Dell ;)

Thanks a lot

Morgan

02-16-2009, 11:16 PM

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7834

7835Dell, have you actually seen any recovered treasure that was found using an LRL built from my posted design? Or were you posting hearsay & speculation?
Here you can see the Elektronik Rod to locate the targets and the MFD frequencies generator.

Esteban

02-16-2009, 11:19 PM

You convert it for sound beeps... :lol:

Morgan

02-16-2009, 11:23 PM

You convert it for sound beeps... :lol:
Yes,but first i was using only the LED :D

Qiaozhi

02-16-2009, 11:26 PM

Hi Carl

Thanks a lot for this MFD circuit .
I found with your device&Rods some horse shoes but also other more interesing objects.
This MFD its not the perfect LRL but its nice for TH,and no need to buy more expensive MFD from Dell ;)

Thanks a lot
Apart from educating those with a fledgling interest in dowsing, it appears that the MFD project has another positive aspect ... the saving of wallets. :D

Götz von Berlichingen

02-17-2009, 12:09 AM

Apart from educating those with a fledgling interest in dowsing, it appears that the MFD project has another positive aspect ... the saving of wallets. :D

I wonder if i should build one, too...
But I'm afraid i might end up in the nearby psychiatric hospital if I get caught using it. :shocked:

Fred

02-17-2009, 02:21 AM

Qiaozhi
Carl
Jplayer
Theseus

How much does it cost to join the club?
It would be an honor! :razz:

Steve in MS

02-17-2009, 06:32 AM

Hi Steve in MS,

Actually you may be in a good location for using a RangerTell (if it works).
If you are in an area that is barren of natural gold, then you won't have so much micro-gold to interfere with the detection of larger objects. You may look at old homesteads in the countryside or battlefields to find the same kind of treasures that detectorists look for. Who knows? Maybe you will find buried confederate gold or silver. The rangerTell is supposed to take the guesswork out of where to look.

Best wishes,
J_P

Yes, it might work but I am not going to buy one on hearsay, got to be from someone I have a more little faith in.
I think there is a dealer out west for Ranger, you could go the website and check it out, you might be able to contact or visit with him.
There is no way however, I would use one of those that one sticks probes in the ground (sorry Dell:)), even if it is the best one out.
Say Dell, are your LRLs superior to Rangers?

J_Player

02-17-2009, 08:52 AM

Why not try a "Mr. Stick"? They are guaranteed to perform equally well to Dell's or RangerTell, and for under $100.
http://www.geocities.com/joe9999b/MR_STICK.html

It looks like they are easier to copy if you want to make your own too.

Best wishes,
J_P

hung

02-17-2009, 10:53 AM

Hung, show us some pictures of what you have found with your Ranger.

As I said, before I owned the current model, I built the circuit based on the report in this site and found a silver ring. I gave it as a gift to somebody. This was years ago.

With the current model I own, I never actually used it alone in the field. I and my team always had the Mineoro models joining. The examiner was solely used as the first detector due to its amazing features and the well known range a MFD presents. After detecting the target with the RT from a great range, we would proceed with the Mineoros and soon they would beep confirming it.
We always had the strict procedure of making all detectors confirm the target.

Today we don't need to use the RT very often (except for quick checks due to its light weight) as we have our own electronic LRL system for that, which is not an 'electronic examiner' by the way. It's another thing, bigger in size.

Steve in MS

02-17-2009, 06:39 PM

As I said, before I owned the current model, I built the circuit based on the report in this site and found a silver ring. I gave it as a gift to somebody. This was years ago.

With the current model I own, I never actually used it alone in the field. I and my team always had the Mineoro models joining. The examiner was solely used as the first detector due to its amazing features and the well known range a MFD presents. After detecting the target with the RT from a great range, we would proceed with the Mineoros and soon they would beep confirming it.
We always had the strict procedure of making all detectors confirm the target.

Today we don't need to use the RT very often (except for quick checks due to its light weight) as we have our own electronic LRL system for that, which is not an 'electronic examiner' by the way. It's another thing, bigger in size.

Ok but you have gone a long way on this thread to defend Ranger and you don't use it much or use it in conjunction with other devises.
Sooo, I guess the best thing for a person to do is not buy just one of these LRLs but a bunch of them and get a team together:D:razz::lol:to try to find something.
Can you show pictures of stuff you have found with your battery of LRLs?

Fred

02-17-2009, 06:49 PM

Don´t forget there is a whole team using this ,they need plenty of them :rolleyes:

hung

02-17-2009, 07:23 PM

Don´t forget there is a whole team using this ,they need plenty of them :rolleyes:

Naahhh... It's just a few of them.
What do you think we are? A toy store? :lol:

Fred

02-17-2009, 08:16 PM

Naahhh... It's just a few of them.
What do you think we are? A toy store? :lol:

Nahh..a toy story maybe... :razz:

hung

02-18-2009, 10:31 AM

Nahh..a toy story maybe... :razz:

Well, that's the skeptics tale since GEOSKEPTHIC was born!:lol::lol::lol:

Theseus

02-18-2009, 02:19 PM

Well, that's the skeptics tale since GEOSKEPTHIC was born!:lol::lol::lol:

When does the debunkering begin?

Steve in MS

02-18-2009, 07:23 PM

Qiaozhi

02-18-2009, 09:33 PM

Exactly right, I asked hung to show us some pictures of his finds or for that matter, where are the finds of common people who use LRLs?
Go to most any metal detecting forum and folks are posting finds regularly.
Don't be surprised if you never see treasure recovered using only LRLs. The final detection is always done with a conventional metal detector.
Even if such a claim is made, the claimant will refuse to show the treasure, either because it was recovered illegally, or for tax reasons. At least that's the most common excuse. :rolleyes: The only other "proof" is that the find gets verified by another non-working dowsing contraption. (One of Dell's favorite anecdotes.)

Theseus

02-18-2009, 11:19 PM

Don't be surprised if you never see treasure recovered using only LRLs. The final detection is always done with a conventional metal detector.
Even if such a claim is made, the claimant will refuse to show the treasure, either because it was recovered illegally, or for tax reasons. At least that's the most common excuse. :rolleyes: The only other "proof" is that the find gets verified by another non-working dowsing contraption. (One of Dell's favorite anecdotes.)

Let's not forget an all-time favorite ----

"Oh, I found this great horde of treasure, including gold and silver bars buried in a chest only 6 feet under ground.... but I can't dig it up because it is on the other side of a 32 foot high electric fence on US Government Property."

Fred

03-10-2009, 02:21 PM

Hi J_P
Remember your nice picture?

7979

Well, some time has gone now,and look at the result:
7980

And still no proofs about LRL´s !! HURRY UP J_P before it´s too late !!.

Regards,
Fred.

J_Player

03-11-2009, 09:21 AM

And still no proofs about LRL´s !! HURRY UP J_P before it´s too late !!.Dang Fred, Yer right!
Time keeps passing and we haven't seen anything convincing to make us believe these LRLs will work to recover treasure. Since I have been reading the remote sensing forum the past few years, not a single person has demonstrated an LRL working in front of me and showed me how to recover treasure with it. Rangertell sent PMs saying he would look into sending me a demo unit for testing or an agent to demonstrate it, but I never heard back from him. He suggested I buy a Rangertell on ebay, then send it back if it doesn't work.

I suppose I could pay anywhere from $300 to $5000 or more an buy my own LRL to test, but dang, that's expensive.
Hmmmm... maybe there is a way...

For only $99.99, I can order a Mr. Stick LRL that is guaranteed to work as well as the Ranger Tell, any Mineoro FG and DC LRLs, or any Dell Omnitron LRLs. Sure it's hard for me to believe it will work. But hey, it only costs $99.99 to find out. http://www.geocities.com/joe9999b/MR_STICK.html

Since nobody on earth is willing to demonstrate any LRL actually working and show me how to recover treasure with it, maybe I should spend the $99.99 to see if these LRL's work.

Think so?

Best wishes,
J_P

Esteban

03-11-2009, 04:51 PM

Dang Fred, Yer right!
Time keeps passing and we haven't seen anything convincing to make us believe these LRLs will work to recover treasure. Since I have been reading the remote sensing forum the past few years, not a single person has demonstrated an LRL working in front of me and showed me how to recover treasure with it. Rangertell sent PMs saying he would look into sending me a demo unit for testing or an agent to demonstrate it, but I never heard back from him. He suggested I buy a Rangertell on ebay, then send it back if it doesn't work.

I suppose I could pay anywhere from $300 to $5000 or more an buy my own LRL to test, but dang, that's expensive.
Hmmmm... maybe there is a way...

For only $99.99, I can order a Mr. Stick LRL that is guaranteed to work as well as the Ranger Tell, any Mineoro FG and DC LRLs, or any Dell Omnitron LRLs. Sure it's hard for me to believe it will work. But hey, it only costs $99.99 to find out. http://www.geocities.com/joe9999b/MR_STICK.html

Since nobody on earth is willing to demonstrate any LRL actually working and show me how to recover treasure with it, maybe I should spend the $99.99 to see if these LRL's work.

Think so?

Best wishes,
J_P

Was showed to Mr. Garrett (father and son) in back part of factory and was fixed all the good metals buried for tests. A watch dedicated to Pat Garrett was found in the limit of his property... What coincidence! Ask him... he is trustable person... no??? Also other manufacturer of Europe saw this...

Regards

Esteban

sweatofglory

03-12-2009, 12:20 AM

J_Player

03-12-2009, 02:33 AM

sweatofglory

03-12-2009, 02:33 AM

Hi esteban

When test was conducted, the skeptics were still teenagers not interested in lrl's but sexy girls ;););)

But now they love LRL. Loving and Responsible Ladies but not SEXY!:D:D:D

J_Player

03-12-2009, 02:47 AM

Was showed to Mr. Garrett (father and son) in back part of factory and was fixed all the good metals buried for tests. A watch dedicated to Pat Garrett was found in the limit of his property... What coincidence! Ask him... he is trustable person... no??? Also other manufacturer of Europe saw this...Hi Esteban,
I am not Mr. Garrett. I never met Mr. Garrett. Any LRL showed to Mr. Garrett is not an LRL that I can buy today from Mineoro or Dell Winders or Rangertell.

I did not say that I want to hear Mr. Garrett or other manufacturer of Europe talk about their experience with LRLs.
What I said is "not a single person has demonstrated an LRL working in front of me and showed me how to recover treasure with it".

The local Mineoro agent will not even answer my emails. Will they demonstrate an LRL working in front of me and show me how to recover treasure with it?
Will hung do this?
Will Dell Winders do this?
Will Rangertell do this?
Is this something that you will do?

Will anybody on earth demonstrate an LRL working in front of me and show me how to recover treasure with it?

Note: Almost everyone who sells conventional metal detectors will demonstrate the products they sell working in front of me and show me how to recover treasure with it. Why not people who sell LRLs?

Best wishes,
J_P

Rangertell

03-12-2009, 03:14 AM

Will anybody on earth demonstrate an LRL working in front of me and show me how to recover treasure with it?

Note: Almost everyone who sells conventional metal detectors will demonstrate the products they sell working in front of me and show me how to recover treasure with it. Why not people who sell LRLs?

Best wishes,
J_P[/QUOTE]

.................................................. .................................................. ....

Is Fontana CA near you? I may have a user there prepared to demo, but need to contact him first.

RT

J_Player

03-12-2009, 04:08 AM

Is Fontana CA near you? I may have a user there prepared to demo, but need to contact him first.Hi Rangertell.
Yes... I can see a demonstration in Fontana. You are the first person on earth to begin making arrangements for me to see an LRL demonstration where I can be shown how to recover treasure live!

Thank you! :)

I will await a PM when you have the details worked out. I am generally available on weekends.

Best wishes,
J_P

Esteban

03-12-2009, 05:14 PM

Hi esteban

When test was conducted, the skeptics were still teenagers not interested in lrl's but sexy girls ;););)

But the old Garrett yes had interest in it, not in girls, maybe by the age. :lol:

Fred

03-12-2009, 06:59 PM

But the old Garrett yes had interest in it, not in girls, maybe by the age. :lol:
Unfortunately from this nothing came out,( maybe he should look more at girls.)
what i mean is that they where convinced but so many years after no real device exists.??

Morgan

03-13-2009, 12:46 AM

Hi Rangertell.
Yes... I can see a demonstration in Fontana. You are the first person on earth to begin making arrangements for me to see an LRL demonstration where I can be shown how to recover treasure live!

Thank you! :)

I will await a PM when you have the details worked out. I am generally available on weekends.

Best wishes,
J_P

J_P,you are realy DESPERADO ,you need to find TREASURE as soon as possible :D...

Good luck

sweatofglory

03-13-2009, 03:08 AM

Unfortunately from this nothing came out,( maybe he should look more at girls.)
what i mean is that they where convinced but so many years after no real device exists.??

Hi FRED,

Relax........DADDY RANGER is coming!

Fred

03-13-2009, 01:47 PM

Hi FRED,

Relax........DADDY RANGER is coming!

Alleluiah !

Esteban

03-13-2009, 05:45 PM

Unfortunately from this nothing came out,( maybe he should look more at girls.)
what i mean is that they where convinced but so many years after no real device exists.??

Not real device exists? They offer US$ 200,000 for the device, but Mr. J. Baldwin, a Alonsos's partner, reject the idea, so businness ends and so: how they can build such pistols if they don't have the info?

Fred

03-13-2009, 06:08 PM

Not real device exists? They offer US$ 200,000 for the device, but Mr. J. Baldwin, a Alonsos's partner, reject the idea, so businness ends and so: how they can build such pistols if they don't have the info?
Ok,sorry, i meant "no comercial device"
I understood that the idea could not be patented ( i.e. belong to someone else), so this may be a reason whey the refused the 200k$ :rolleyes:
Anyway, nor Alonso nor someone else seems to take benefits from this discovery,it is sad.

BTW, what about holding the PD 2 or 3 meters above your head, any diference in detection?

Esteban

03-13-2009, 06:23 PM

Ok,sorry, i meant "no comercial device"
I understood that the idea could not be patented ( i.e. belong to someone else), so this may be a reason whey the refused the 200k$ :rolleyes:
Anyway, nor Alonso nor someone else seems to take benefits from this discovery,it is sad.

No, the only person wich refussed thi$ was the partner, no other persons... The partner, during 25 years, was a kind of investor, but as a hobby, the partner bought all the electronics materials, van, gasoline, equipment, food, hotels, paying salaries... and go to adventure... This man was British. He not need money, he had thousands acres of property and many, many cows.
They found some treasures with pistol, the biggest, 60 kilos silver and 8 kilos gold, 21 december 1971.
Also small treasures, many times, we said here: "family things".
Some years ago, another 2 persons found with pistol 80 kilos gold in coins in british chest made in Birmingham.

Don't know if can works 2 or 3 meters above the head, why not?

Fred

03-13-2009, 10:48 PM

Don't know if can works 2 or 3 meters above the head, why not?

Interesting Esteban,
I thought that if those devices are reading some anomaly in the voltage gradient above earth,height may be an important factor.

J_Player

03-14-2009, 05:50 AM

J_P,you are realy DESPERADO ,you need to find TREASURE as soon as possible :D...Hahahahahahahaaaa...
I have no need for treasure. All of the treasures I have found are only for ornaments and trophies.

The only thing I look for is to see a LRL really working in front of me. You once said you would demonstrate your LRLs finding treasure when you come to the USA. Do you still plan to show readers of this forum in the USA how your LRLs find treasure?

Best wishes,
J_P

Morgan

03-14-2009, 04:46 PM

Hahahahahahahaaaa...
I have no need for treasure. All of the treasures I have found are only for ornaments and trophies.

The only thing I look for is to see a LRL really working in front of me. You once said you would demonstrate your LRLs finding treasure when you come to the USA. Do you still plan to show readers of this forum in the USA how your LRLs find treasure?

Best wishes,
J_P
If one day i travel to USA to show my PD working,i prefer something more simple with one or two witnesses not the circus you have in mind ;)

Morgan

03-14-2009, 04:52 PM

Esteban

03-14-2009, 06:26 PM

Interesting Esteban,
I thought that if those devices are reading some anomaly in the voltage gradient above earth,height may be an important factor.

This experiment was done. You up over a chair and phenomenon is detectable. Later, up over stairs and the phenomenon persist in vertical point, like a column...

Esteban

03-14-2009, 06:58 PM

Fred,

I connect various stages and with this instrument I discover a gradient, and target position respect the soil deppend of value of the electrolitic capacitor.

If you use 0.47 to 1 uF you detect in normal position with the machine.

If you use 0.22 or less you must to stoop a little for to detect.

If you use 2.2 uF, you need to raise the detector for to detect the phenomenon...

This is very strange. I ask Alonso, and rapidly he told me is for to "level of voltage".

More strange: if you use tantalum, nothing you obtain. Now, you discover these situations because you try in different manners.

Esteban

03-14-2009, 07:01 PM

You can see here in more detail:

Esteban

03-14-2009, 07:09 PM

A friend wrote a book about treasure histories. Here I am with the gradient-pistol.

Esteban

03-14-2009, 07:49 PM

Once I walk and obtain short beep in very determined area. Continue walking a little and stop the beeps. In this day found some objects with the gradient pistol.

I return to the site one week ago and the same effect. So walk around the area and the point of the target appears in center of machine, not in front as usual. Detection was critic. So, I check and found a fishing weight, so appears very reluctance to detect lead, lead appears as "dead" material for this instrument. This doesn't occurs, for example, with riffle cartridge and other good conductive objects as coins, these materials are detectable include in wide angle, wich make some difficult to find the target.

A question: The portion part of electrolitic can detect the lead, but no the antenna and why?

See:

Esteban

03-14-2009, 07:55 PM

Important: needle of microamp must be in oscillation (movement), ambient is crucial here. If needle is quiet, you don't detect almost nothing.

So, appears that the machine is managed by the ambient voltage... This machine doesn't have sensibility control!

Fred

03-14-2009, 08:00 PM

Thanks Esteban,
Again,this means it must be a variable field.
I have to think about this :).

Esteban

03-14-2009, 08:01 PM

Here is better the block

J_Player

03-15-2009, 03:13 AM

The only thing I look for is to see a LRL really working in front of me. You once said you would demonstrate your LRLs finding treasure when you come to the USA. Do you still plan to show readers of this forum in the USA how your LRLs find treasure?

Originally posted by Morgan
If one day i travel to USA to show my PD working,i prefer something more simple with one or two witnesses not the circus you have in mind Circus?
To show your LRL working in front of me finding treasure is a circus?
You are the person who said you would demonstrate your LRLs working in front of people when you come to the USA soon.
What makes you think I have a circus in mind?
Do you think I mean something different when I post in the forum that "The only thing I look for is to see a LRL really working in front of me"?

Best wishes,
J_P