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hung

10-19-2008, 07:41 PM

I just received a call from a member of my team who has got the new TYON Mineoro model.
I asked for a complete report based on my experiences and he will make it.

In preliminary tests, he told me the device picks a gold ring from 1 meter at home easily and the gold plate from 2 meters. It’s much more sensitive than the FG80 and also more stable.
In the beach, he told me that the device is a breeze to use, with stable beepings and able to follow direct to the target. On very humid days, detection decreases and increase in gain is necessary which makes the device erratic.

He used the mod RT Examiner in the beach (I trained this guy to use the RT) and the Tyon confirmed all targets detected by the RT.

I’m waiting for a more detailed report and also the device’s behavior on different metals.

mineorogreece

10-19-2008, 08:02 PM

Why dont they show this new model in their website?

Morgan

10-19-2008, 10:09 PM

hung

10-19-2008, 11:01 PM

Why dont they show this new model in their website?

Jim, that's what I wondered too since this model has been launched for quite sometime now.
I was told that the reasons why the site has not being updated yet include Damasio's illness and his often absence from the firm and the device's new layout not being ready yet. My friend's Tyon is inside the FG80 package. But the site will include this soon. Actually the Tyon designation is apparently just a model of the FG80.

Anyway, I will conduct tests with my friend and see if it picks only gold from this distance or other noble metals. If only gold, then besides the evolution in the amplifier stage, they also apparently achieved better filtering.

Now that my team and I suceeded in our LRL system which employs a different and more powerful aproach not related to ionic detection, I'm in the process of redesigning the PDC/Mineoro ionic concept.

What will be new: A redesigned ionic chamber and active receiving section now with direct target excitation.
Regards.

hung

10-19-2008, 11:06 PM

If its realy true reports this new device is better than NEXUS detector?
We will see...

Morgan,

The NEXUS is just an ordinary aproach MD. Not an ionic/electrostatic LRL. Different animals. No comparisons.

Qiaozhi

10-19-2008, 11:54 PM

He used the mod RT Examiner in the beach (I trained this guy to use the RT) and the Tyon confirmed all targets detected by the RT.
So it wasn't a proper scientific test then? :razz:

Morgan,

The NEXUS is just an ordinary aproach MD. Not an ionic/electrostatic LRL. Different animals. No comparisons.
True ... the Nexus is a real metal detector. ;)

Fred

10-20-2008, 12:41 PM

Now that my team and I suceeded in our LRL system which employs a different and more powerful aproach not related to ionic detection, I'm in the process of redesigning the PDC/Mineoro ionic concept.

What will be new: A redesigned ionic chamber and active receiving section now with direct target excitation.
Regards.
Huuh??? :shocked::shocked: Are you redesigning a useless ionic chamber??

hung

10-20-2008, 01:06 PM

True ... the Nexus is a real metal detector. ;)

... employing a real primitive metal detecting aproach.

Maybe you enjoy sweeping your house with a broom.
I don't! :lol:

Qiaozhi

10-20-2008, 02:36 PM

... employing a real primitive metal detecting aproach.

Maybe you enjoy sweeping your house with a broom.
I don't! :lol:
Actually it's an approach that works, unlike gluing a calculator to a swivel handle and calling it a detector. :razz:

Fred

10-20-2008, 04:03 PM

But to answer your provocation ... in reality I think it's quite the reverse. Scientists have too much imagination. Parallel universes, quantum teleportation, worm holes, time travel, to mention a few.
However, we are now going off topic. There's some danger of getting caught in the dark side. :ninja:
:lol: , indeed,
But i partly disagree: scientist may have imagination, but they often need to get out of their square, wich they cannot as they get too much specialized.
In other words, the human brain is not powerfull enought to take the distance necessary to resolve a whole subject, yet having enought knowledge in any of its ramifications.
I thought getting off topic in this thread is not so important.:razz:
regards,
Fred.

Qiaozhi

10-20-2008, 08:01 PM

:lol: , indeed,
But i partly disagree: scientist may have imagination, but they often need to get out of their square, wich they cannot as they get too much specialized.
In other words, the human brain is not powerfull enought to take the distance necessary to resolve a whole subject, yet having enought knowledge in any of its ramifications.
I thought getting off topic in this thread is not so important.:razz:
regards,
Fred.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
You're right! I forgot which forum I was in. :rolleyes:

But as far as cheap calculators glued to swivel handles are concerned, it's better to stay in the scientific box, and not the pseudo-scientific one.
This ionic idea is touted as a scientific truth, when in fact it is complete nonsense. Don't you think it's strange that the LRL proponents are clamoring for scientific acceptance, but then turn round and knock the scientific process when they fail to get it? The whole thing is just a joke.

Morgan

10-20-2008, 10:04 PM

Actually it's an approach that works, unlike gluing a calculator to a swivel handle and calling it a detector. :razz:
So,my conclusion is Mineoro works.
It as inside the ionic chamber some grames of 24K Gold,so it allways beeping because of the Gold ;)

Morgan

10-20-2008, 10:11 PM

6875So,my conclusion is Mineoro works.
It as inside the ionic chamber some grames of 24K Gold,so it allways beeping because of the Gold ;)
I´m thinking how many grames of gold,the ICONOS as inside...:rolleyes:

Qiaozhi

10-20-2008, 10:12 PM

So,my conclusion is Mineoro works.
It as inside the ionic chamber some grames of 24K Gold,so it allways beeping because of the Gold ;)
If you assume that the Mineoro contains a non-motion metal detector hidden inside, then it could be detecting its own gold in the ionic chamber... except that the signal would be constant and not intermittent. Maybe the gold is loose, and is rolling around in the chamber. :lol: A sort of "fools gold".

Clondike Clad

10-21-2008, 12:51 AM

Could this new unit take carl's GOLD?

Qiaozhi

10-21-2008, 01:01 AM

Could this new unit take carl's GOLD?
It's not a new unit.
Some unfortunate people spent good money on the ICONOS, but when they tried to get their money back, the ICONOS folks had mysteriously vanished.
As you can see from the name - there is a "CON" in ICONOS.

Hmmm... or perhaps you referring the Mineoro Tyon?
Either way - no chance!

Fred

10-21-2008, 01:55 AM

You're right! I forgot which forum I was in. :rolleyes:.
Actually i jumped from ...ivconic thread to this one.:lol:
This ionic idea is touted as a scientific truth, when in fact it is complete nonsense.
At what point does it becomes a complete nonsense? underground ion migration seems possible, then it aparently stops 10cm below ground ...so how sure can we be that ions below ground don´t influence ,say, the magnetic field above ground ,or thet they create some "ionic mirror effect" ?

Carl-NC

10-21-2008, 02:23 AM

In preliminary tests, he told me the device picks ... the gold plate from 2 meters. It’s much more sensitive than the FG80 and also more stable.

Is this "gold plate" the sample included with the unit, like I got with my FG-80? If so, then any ability to detect this plate makes it better than the FG-80, which doesn't detect it at all. I can see the ad now: "Infinitely more sensitive than the FG-80!" Which would also be true of a Radio Shack BFO.

I'll wait for the Missouri Analysis, which I strongly suspect will never ever happen.

- Carl

Geo

10-21-2008, 07:01 AM

6875
I´m thinking how many grames of gold,the ICONOS as inside...:rolleyes:
Maybe after few days i will try to open it and i will say what is inside
:lol::lol:

Steve in MS

10-21-2008, 07:33 AM

Sooo, these detectors depend upon an "ionic trail" that can be picked up, right? What about gold that is not too far underground, freshly buried, they should pick this up with no problem, right, if they can detect long range underground on long lost treasures?
If so a documented experiment could be performed to show their usefulness,
right:D? Or are we going to forever told that only certain conditions they will work:D?
My guess is these LRL's can't be subjected to any kind of logic at all:lol:
:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D :D:D:D:D:D:D!
Sorry, I just couldn't resist this line of reasoning:D!

Clondike Clad

10-21-2008, 08:24 AM

It's not a new unit.
Some unfortunate people spent good money on the ICONOS, but when they tried to get their money back, the ICONOS folks had mysteriously vanished.
As you can see from the name - there is a "CON" in ICONOS.

Hmmm... or perhaps you referring the Mineoro Tyon?
Either way - no chance! Yes I was thinking about the new box Hung was talking about the Mineoro Tyon can detect a ring at one meter.
Any detector that can pick up a ring at 1 meter or over 36 inch is ready to take $25000 from Carl or better yet go for the million.
I want one after that happens

hung

10-21-2008, 11:43 AM

Yes I was thinking about the new box Hung was talking about the Mineoro Tyon can detect a ring at one meter.
Any detector that can pick up a ring at 1 meter or over 36 inch is ready to take $25000 from Carl or better yet go for the million.
I want one after that happens

Let me clear up some few things here:

1 - The LRL system my team and I developed has nothing to do with RT Examiner except that it features one aspect of T-R detection. It has no calculator, small box or swivel. It's a totally electronic device, relatively big and comprises of two parts. It's not an ionic/electrostatic device and it has much more range than those devices. We are soon going for a new phase with soil imaging visualizations ahead of GPR tehcnology which I hope to happen next year. Not because of technical dificulties, but simply due to lack of time. The 'brains' in our team is the most busy person in the world.

2 - The Tyon needs more testing and as soon as I have time I will try to conduct them. I have my team spread all over Brazil for prospections and right now I have only cell phone comunication with the person who is using it.
Prior to Tyon, we had to meet certain weather and ionic conditions to achieve gold detection. It seems the Tyon is easier to use and deals better with high humidity and less than 20% of ionic emissions.
I'm also developing a new ionic/electrostatic device based on PDC/FG80 that I hope to be even better than the Tyon itself and any detector of this kind to date.

3 - I have never been and never will be obsecessed with Carl's challenge or whatever one which might appear.
I always told here this is balloney and just a marketing trick to promote himself. I don't need this challenge or anybody's and will not waste my time with those nonsenses.

PS. The RT Examiner with calculator glued just like it is now works. I always told that. Before I see one, I thought it would not work. When I saw it did, I studied it. And I learned.
The only thing is that the swivel part might raise discussions if the movement is done by hand, mind, wind, sprits, etc. But the weak magnetic force is there and the scientific explanation in RT's site is mostly correct.
What amazes me most is that some figures here who claim themselves to be 'technical' just can't understand what is happening in the RT's case and doom themselves to remain in the dark dign of middle age thinkings.:rolleyes:

Esteban

10-21-2008, 12:29 PM

6875
I´m thinking how many grames of gold,the ICONOS as inside...:rolleyes:

You no need much gold. 0.5 gram is OK.

Qiaozhi

10-21-2008, 12:56 PM

I have never been and never will be obsecessed with Carl's challenge or whatever one which might appear.
I always told here this is balloney and just a marketing trick to promote himself. I don't need this challenge or anybody's and will not waste my time with those nonsenses.
The only reason you have no interest in either Carl's or Randi's challenge is because you have no chance of success. Your LRL simply does not function when subjected to double-blind testing. Anyone with even a modicum of scientific knowledge would then conclude that it's a trick of the mind. Hopefully one day you will remove the blinkers and return to doing something more productive.

PS. The RT Examiner with calculator glued just like it is now works. I always told that. Before I see one, I thought it would not work. When I saw it did, I studied it. And I learned.
Actually, you learned nothing. You may have studied the RT Examiner, but your blinkered approach has blinded you to the obvious. The RT is a piece of junk, except for the calculator, which could be removed and put to a more practical use.

The only thing is that the swivel part might raise discussions if the movement is done by hand, mind, wind, sprits, etc. But the weak magnetic force is there and the scientific explanation in RT's site is mostly correct.
There is no scientific explanation on the RT's site that makes any sense. I think you meant to say "pseudo-scientific" explanation.

What amazes me most is that some figures here who claim themselves to be 'technical' just can't understand what is happening in the RT's case and doom themselves to remain in the dark dign of middle age thinkings.:rolleyes:
In fact, we understand only too well what is happening in the RT's case. You don't even have to be "technical" to see that it's a scam.

Carl-NC

10-21-2008, 01:28 PM

The LRL system my team and I developed has nothing to do with RT Examiner except that it features one aspect of T-R detection.

Are you pretending that the RT Examiner utilizes T-R detection?

I have never been and never will be obsecessed with Carl's challenge or whatever one which might appear. I always told here this is balloney and just a marketing trick to promote himself.

Why would I need to "promote" myself? With LRLs, all I'm saying is, "Show Me." It's a scandalous concept.

- Carl

Theseus

10-21-2008, 04:15 PM

Let me clear up some few things here:

1 - The LRL system my team and I developed has nothing to do with RT Examiner except that it features one aspect of T-R detection.

The RT Examiner does not feature any sort of T-R detection. If you are claiming even a subtle similarity to the RT Examiner, your device is doomed to failure. The current RT Examiner, as well as the most early versions, are all junk; in as much as there is nothing technical or electronic going on between the rod, the operator or the sought after target. All RT Examiners are strictly swivel-handle dowsing rods, and their only reaction is to gravity once they are tilted out of balance by the operator's hand.

putrechigi

10-21-2008, 06:29 PM

The only reason you have no interest in either Carl's or Randi's challenge is because you have no chance of success. Your LRL simply does not function when subjected to double-blind testing. Anyone with even a modicum of scientific knowledge would then conclude that it's a trick of the mind. Hopefully one day you will remove the blinkers and return to doing something more productive.

Actually, you learned nothing. You may have studied the RT Examiner, but your blinkered approach has blinded you to the obvious. The RT is a piece of junk, except for the calculator, which could be removed and put to a more practical use.

There is no scientific explanation on the RT's site that makes any sense. I think you meant to say "pseudo-scientific" explanation.

In fact, we understand only too well what is happening in the RT's case. You don't even have to be "technical" to see that it's a scam.

hi Qiaozhi afther to find this document http://www.thunting.com/geotech/forums/showthread.php?t=13849 i think the lrl work but why the mineoro don,t work in europe? why not work in nord emisphere? is possible that alonso not solve this problem? because in europe he have many possible buyers , is possible tyon solve thi probleme and work in europe too?

best reguards putre

Qiaozhi

10-21-2008, 09:52 PM

hi Qiaozhi afther to find this document http://www.thunting.com/geotech/forums/showthread.php?t=13849 i think the lrl work but why the mineoro don,t work in europe? why not work in nord emisphere? is possible that alonso not solve this problem? because in europe he have many possible buyers , is possible tyon solve thi probleme and work in europe too?

best reguards putre
Hi putrechigi,

Don't waste your time or money on these devices. None of them work. It is pure fantasy.

putrechigi

10-21-2008, 11:04 PM

Hi putrechigi,

Don't waste your time or money on these devices. None of them work. It is pure fantasy.

I respect your thoughts:|:|:|, but do not agree:):):), many person pass long long time for try this and i don't know why they should invent all this
no profit , no more, is for this that i belive in they, when i came in italy i hope to see one lrl that work;);)

best reguards at hall
putre

putrechigi

10-21-2008, 11:09 PM

Fred

10-22-2008, 12:10 AM

Hi putrechigi,
The ones that are for sell don´t work as advertised,and they don´t worth their price.
Don´t spend your money untill you have REAL proofs that they REALLY work.
For them the treasure is in your pocket.

Morgan

10-22-2008, 11:14 AM

hi hung, hi esteban, Perhaps you can kindly answer my questions? i want to really know why they d'ont work in europe :shocked::shocked: , why morgan pay alot of money for noting
thank you very much

best reguards at hall
Ola

Los mineoros,si funcionam en Europa,pero mi conclusion es que solamente localizan grandes cantidades de oro,superiores a 1kg,e las condiciones atmosfericas son criticas para bueno funcionamento del aparato,la humidad nunca deve ser superior a 50%.

Abrazos

putrechigi

10-22-2008, 06:57 PM

[quote=Morgan;80639]Ola

Los mineoros,si funcionam en Europa,pero mi conclusion es que solamente localizan grandes cantidades de oro,superiores a 1kg,e las condiciones atmosfericas son criticas para bueno funcionamento del aparato,la humidad nunca deve ser superior a 50%.

Abrazos[/q
Muchas gracias Morgan

hung

11-07-2008, 10:44 PM

Morgan

11-07-2008, 11:09 PM

Esteban

11-07-2008, 11:43 PM

This week's test.

Mineoro Tayon:

4X4" gold plate detection at 12 feet.
One aluminum beer can : 20 cm.
Gold ring: 1 meter.
1.5V short circuited battery: 65cm.

All tests inside house. Humidity 65-70%.

Conclusion: Nice filters.

Hi Hung!

Is this new model in experimental testing, not in market yet? Do a big iron mass near the ring nulls the detection?

Regards

Esteban

hung

11-08-2008, 09:46 AM

Hi Hung!

Is this new model in experimental testing, not in market yet? Do a big iron mass near the ring nulls the detection?

Regards

Esteban

Tests were performed by one of my team members to my specific requests. Those are the maximum distances detected.
Good idea, I will have him place an iron object near it and see if this affects detection. From the start and knowing what's going on, I think it will have no influence at all unless this is exactly over it. Will call him today or tomorrow to test this.

Field tests start in a few days. In a few weeks he will travel to my place as I have a target the PDC has detected in a cliff near the ocean and we will head to it. We will employ only these two detectors for comparisons and will not use our LRL system this time to not disturb the ionic/lectrostatic field of the target.

There's a small detail in this model that caught my attention which was not featured in previous models. Sorry, but I better not talk about this here.
Also the device is light as a feather to his own surprise.

I don't know why not in their site yet. But yes, they are selling it.
For the bargain of a little over US$ 18,000.00.:lol::lol:

Clondike Clad

11-08-2008, 01:31 PM

This week's test.

Mineoro Tayon:

4X4" gold plate detection at 12 feet.
One aluminum beer can : 20 cm.
Gold ring: 1 meter.
1.5V short circuited battery: 65cm.

All tests inside house. Humidity 65-70%.

Conclusion: Nice filters.

Now finding a gold ring a 1 meter or over 36 inch is not bad for a detector.
What type of filters are used in the detector .
WOW! METER FOR A RING>
WHITES,FISHER,MINLAB,TESORO, and THE GREEN ONE GARRETT can't do it(WHY ?) CARL CAN YOU GIVE US YOUR INPUT.

Max

11-08-2008, 02:54 PM

Now finding a gold ring a 1 meter or over 36 inch is not bad for a detector.
What type of filters are used in the detector .
WOW! METER FOR A RING>
WHITES,FISHER,MINLAB,TESORO, and THE GREEN ONE GARRETT can't do it(WHY ?) CARL CAN YOU GIVE US YOUR INPUT.

It's 1meter in Hung's planet... don't take it for good !;)

Fred

11-08-2008, 04:22 PM

It's 1meter in Hung's planet... don't take it for good !;)
Exactly : heavy space-time distortion that is inversely proportional to the distance to target.
This is probably why he never get to the goal of his trips :lol:

joecoin

11-08-2008, 04:47 PM

The device is as light as a feather.

Perhaps it is full of gas?

Esteban

11-08-2008, 05:32 PM

Tests were performed by one of my team members to my specific requests. Those are the maximum distances detected.
Good idea, I will have him place an iron object near it and see if this affects detection. From the start and knowing what's going on, I think it will have no influence at all unless this is exactly over it. Will call him today or tomorrow to test this.

Field tests start in a few days. In a few weeks he will travel to my place as I have a target the PDC has detected in a cliff near the ocean and we will head to it. We will employ only these two detectors for comparisons and will not use our LRL system this time to not disturb the ionic/lectrostatic field of the target.

There's a small detail in this model that caught my attention which was not featured in previous models. Sorry, but I better not talk about this here.
Also the device is light as a feather to his own surprise.

I don't know why not in their site yet. But yes, they are selling it.
For the bargain of a little over US$ 18,000.00.:lol::lol:

Did you assure this is the real price? Don't think so... but if is very good, price don't will be a problem... :lol:

humhum

11-08-2008, 05:42 PM

Hi HUNG ,send outside photos from Mineoro Tayon.

hung

11-09-2008, 10:30 AM

No need.
It's looks exactly like the FG80. The mods are internal.

Rudy

11-11-2008, 12:26 AM

This week's test.

Mineoro Tayon:

4X4" gold plate detection at 12 feet.
One aluminum beer can : 20 cm.
Gold ring: 1 meter.
1.5V short circuited battery: 65cm.

All tests inside house. Humidity 65-70%.

Conclusion: Nice filters.

Why didn't the detector pick up:

1. The copper wiring inside the walls of the house
2. The water pipes inside the walls of the house
3. The electric fixtures
4. The refrigerator
5. The oven
6. The eating utensils (ie. silverware)
7. All the other metal items commonly found inside the house plus
those you may have been wearing or in your pockets

Something is fishy here Hung. :rolleyes:

joecoin

11-11-2008, 12:41 AM

Hung lives in a glass house, and he does not throw stones.

hung

11-11-2008, 09:51 AM

Why didn't the detector pick up:

1. The copper wiring inside the walls of the house
2. The water pipes inside the walls of the house
3. The electric fixtures
4. The refrigerator
5. The oven
6. The eating utensils (ie. silverware)
7. All the other metal items commonly found inside the house plus
those you may have been wearing or in your pockets

Something is fishy here Hung. :rolleyes:

Hi Rudy,

If you read my post with careful attention you will know this is a gold detector only, not supposed to detect other metals.
Mineoro detectors work based on the principle that long time buried metals tend to form an electric field around them which are detectable. In the case of gold, the ionic chamber inside the device 'selects' this particular metal from long distance.
Up to the FG80, fresh gold detection was not possible. The FG80 is able to detect fresh items but the weather and proper conditions have to be met, such as low humidity, etc. The Tayon is an evolution, being more powerful and stable, being able to detect the gold items with a relative high humidity. Also as you notice in my post, aluminum for instance was deteted but from a very short distance, which means it is being filtered out.

So this answers your queries on why other metals were not detected and also the person who conducted the tests did this I believe in a room so no chance it would detect a refrigerator as this is not an item the device was made to detect as I said.

Anyway, his latest report to me had some not so good results in some aspects which I will detail here later.

Regards.

Theseus

11-11-2008, 03:10 PM

Hi Rudy,

Mineoro detectors work based on the principle that long time buried metals tend to form an electric field around them which are detectable. ....

Regards.

If in fact long time buried metals actually could create a detectable electric field around them, there would be no reason to employ esoteric "ionic chambers" to detect those fields. There are a variety of other more conventional instruments that could be utilized. The fact remains, long time buried noble metals, in certain environments, may enter into a kind of electrochemical relationship with nearby less noble metals, but this process does not produce an electric field, and neither does it create a cloud of escaping "detectable" ions.

hung

11-11-2008, 08:48 PM

Esteban

11-12-2008, 12:35 AM

If in fact long time buried metals actually could create a detectable electric field around them, there would be no reason to employ esoteric "ionic chambers" to detect those fields. There are a variety of other more conventional instruments that could be utilized. The fact remains, long time buried noble metals, in certain environments, may enter into a kind of electrochemical relationship with nearby less noble metals, but this process does not produce an electric field, and neither does it create a cloud of escaping "detectable" ions.

Hi, yes this creates an small electric field measurable with simple microamp. Difference is remarcable in comparisson portion of terrain without this buried for long time good conductive metals.

Theseus

11-12-2008, 05:21 PM

Hi, yes this creates an small electric field measurable with simple microamp. Difference is remarcable in comparisson portion of terrain without this buried for long time good conductive metals.

A microamp meter measures a tiny flow of electricity between two entities of different potential. The meter must be in contact with both of these entities before the measurement would be shown, or made obvious.

A small electric field is something completely different, and would be measured with different instrumentation.

Atmospheric electric fields have been measured for decades by electric field meters dubbed “field mills”. Traditional field mills employ a spinning metal rotor (vane) electrically connected to Earth ground potential. The grounded spinning rotor alternately shields and exposes sense electrodes from the electric field to be measured, resulting in a modulation of induced electrical charge. Charge amplifiers convert the modulated charge into voltages that are proportional to the low-frequency £ electric field.

Fred

11-12-2008, 06:34 PM

:thumb: Theseus,

It looks like you just gave the recipe for the next generation of electronic LRL´s .

modaljar

11-13-2008, 11:37 PM

Only a few days ago Mineoro received the famous APEX2008 prize. This is the most important prize in Brazil for corporations, involving top Brazilian Government sponsors.
You can see it here:
http://www.mineoro.com.br/apex/fotos.html

It's really sad to confirm that Damasio's health condition probably did not allow him to attent the show. Only his sons, the comercial directors, and members of the export management staff.

You always make propaganda for mineoro , why?
I bought mineoro two box like 08mi because you said some where here in
this forum that it works.
In the field and in real tests I discovered that it's just another peace of
junk as other mineoro products.

Theseus

11-14-2008, 12:49 PM

:thumb: Theseus,

It looks like you just gave the recipe for the next generation of electronic LRL´s .

Do ya 'spose. :D

At least neither of the methods I mentioned involve a calculator glued to a swivel handle, or a paint roller handle, which when used indicates the presence of gravity, gentle breezes and the ideomotor effect. ;)

hung

11-14-2008, 04:12 PM

You always make propaganda for mineoro , why?
I bought mineoro two box like 08mi because you said some where here in
this forum that it works.
In the field and in real tests I discovered that it's just another peace of
junk as other mineoro products.

If your assumption was correct, I also would have done 'propaganda' for Rangertell, Deepers, Electroscope, etc. in the past.

I have no conection to either one of them. I just describe my experiences and know the devices work.

Regarding the 08MI, I can't help you. There are other members in this forum that state the opposite and report how good it is.

Your statement reminds some that are found in regular MD forums claiming their Minelab, Garret or whatever is also a 'piece of junk' and how regret they were in not buying the competitor's model...:nerd::shrug:

Rudy

11-14-2008, 05:47 PM

Only a few days ago Mineoro received the famous APEX2008 prize. This is the most important prize in Brazil for corporations, involving top Brazilian Government sponsors.
You can see it here:
http://www.mineoro.com.br/apex/fotos.html

It's really sad to confirm that Damasio's health condition probably did not allow him to attent the show. Only his sons, the comercial directors, and members of the export management staff.

It is not an award given for a working product though. It is awarded for promoting exports from Brazil.

J_Player

11-15-2008, 05:55 AM

A small electric field is something completely different, and would be measured with different instrumentation.

Atmospheric electric fields have been measured for decades by electric field meters dubbed “field mills”. Traditional field mills employ a spinning metal rotor (vane) electrically connected to Earth ground potential. The grounded spinning rotor alternately shields and exposes sense electrodes from the electric field to be measured, resulting in a modulation of induced electrical charge. Charge amplifiers convert the modulated charge into voltages that are proportional to the low-frequency £ electric field. :thumb: Theseus,

It looks like you just gave the recipe for the next generation of electronic LRL´s . Field Mills? Spinning metal rotor to sense electric fields?
Hmmmm... Now lemme see... The last innovation was a calculator stuck to a swivel handle....
And this spinning rotor may be the next generation of LRLs?
I wonder..... Is this what the new LRLs will look like?

Theseus

11-15-2008, 12:38 PM

Keep checking the Dell Winder's page where he lists his scam dowsing rods (paint roller handles) and soon you might find a beanie with a paint roller handle on it. :lol:

Good one, J_P. :D

Clondike Clad

11-17-2008, 01:06 AM

You always make propaganda for mineoro , why?
I bought mineoro two box like 08mi because you said some where here in
this forum that it works.
In the field and in real tests I discovered that it's just another peace of
junk as other mineoro products.

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D :D:D:D:D:D:D:D
It look as if mineoro only works for some people and I am not one of them.
Think about the people who say it works.
SNAKE OIL MEN will say anything to make a sale.:D
Now if and when a real LRL is made anyone will be able to make it work.
I know from reading many post on this forum that none of the so called LRL will work for me. SO IS IT JUNK OR TRASH.
I WILL CALL THEM ALL AT I SEE IT TRASH,JUNK AND CHIT TO GET YOUR MONEY ,NOW BACK TO LURKING.

Steve in MS

11-17-2008, 05:29 AM

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D :D:D:D:D:D:D:D
It look as if mineoro only works for some people and I am not one of them.
Think about the people who say it works.
SNAKE OIL MEN will say anything to make a sale.:D
Now if and when a real LRL is made anyone will be able to make it work.
I know from reading many post on this forum that none of the so called LRL will work for me. SO IS IT JUNK OR TRASH.
I WILL CALL THEM ALL AT I SEE IT TRASH,JUNK AND CHIT TO GET YOUR MONEY ,NOW BACK TO LURKING.

What are LRL's supposed to do after all?
Can those who make them state any claims:D?
Wonder if Consumer Reports could try one out and give a report:D?

J_Player

11-18-2008, 03:34 AM

What are LRL's supposed to do after all?
Can those who make them state any claims?

What are LRLs supposed to do? They are supposed to help to find treasure.

Can those who make them state any claims?
Sure... Esteban claims he found numerous gold and silver artifacts after using his LRLs, as well as finding many other non-precious metal artifacts. Hung claims he located many magnificent treasures using his LRLs. So there are your claims.

But wait... Neither Esteban or hung are selling LRLs (unless there is some truth to Geo's post linking Esteban to the Iconos)?? The people who sell LRLs usually do not make claims. They rely on photos of great treasures pasted all over their websites, and testimonials from extatic customers. And foremost, They would NEVER advertise in Carl's forums because they know Carl would get hold of one of their machines and disect it to show what it really is.

But what about these amateur claims? Can they be true? Who knows? As I recall, the last time I found a gold ring at the beach with my VLF metal detector, It was after eating a MacDonalds hamburger. Also, I found $2.38 in lost change on another day after eating a MacDonalds hamburger. Therefore I must conclude that MacDonalds hamburgers are conducive to finding treasure. I guess this proves the ingredients of a MacDonalds hamburger lead to finding treasure with a VLF detector, just as an LRL leads to finding treasure regardless of what you eat. Only problem is... Macdonalds hamburgers are not so tasty... :barf: ...But a small price to pay for a proven treasure method! :super:

Best wishes,
J_P

Steve in MS

11-18-2008, 08:20 AM

J_Player, I wish you hadn't told me about Macdonalds:razz:.
I would hate to have to eat their burgers so I can find gold rings:lol:.
Hung and Esteban may not even need an LRL to find treasure:D.
I bet if I had a working LRL, it wouldn't be long before I would be mass producing them:D. I would throw my VLF's away, why would I need such an inferior device:lol:? Surely if an LRL can find something from meters away, inches should be no problem:D, ahh, I almost forgot, with ionic trails the objects have to be in the ground thousands of years:D, who knows how long it takes to establish those trails:D! If it takes 150 years and the object has been there 135 years, I would have to wait another 15 years to pick it up:D. Humidity is a factor too:D, wonder how many other factors there are, maybe too many to list:D:D:D:D.
Maybe a combination of Macdonalds burger and a LRL would make the LRL
50% more effective...lets see...50%(burger) X 0% (LRL)=:D:D:D:D,
Naw, better off with the VLF and the burger:D:D:D:D.

Qiaozhi

11-18-2008, 09:14 PM

Humidity is a factor too:D, wonder how many other factors there are, maybe too many to list:D:D:D:D.
I seem to remember that one of the excuses, for a non-working LRL, was an empty stomach. So maybe a Mac Burger would help. ;)

Morgan

11-18-2008, 10:15 PM

What are LRLs supposed to do? They are supposed to help to find treasure.

Can those who make them state any claims?
Sure... Esteban claims he found numerous gold and silver artifacts after using his LRLs, as well as finding many other non-precious metal artifacts. Hung claims he located many magnificent treasures using his LRLs. So there are your claims.

But wait... Neither Esteban or hung are selling LRLs (unless there is some truth to Geo's post linking Esteban to the Iconos)?? The people who sell LRLs usually do not make claims. They rely on photos of great treasures pasted all over their websites, and testimonials from extatic customers. And foremost, They would NEVER advertise in Carl's forums because they know Carl would get hold of one of their machines and disect it to show what it really is.

But what about these amateur claims? Can they be true? Who knows? As I recall, the last time I found a gold ring at the beach with my VLF metal detector, It was after eating a MacDonalds hamburger. Also, I found $2.38 in lost change on another day after eating a MacDonalds hamburger. Therefore I must conclude that MacDonalds hamburgers are conducive to finding treasure. I guess this proves the ingredients of a MacDonalds hamburger lead to finding treasure with a VLF detector, just as an LRL leads to finding treasure regardless of what you eat. Only problem is... Macdonalds hamburgers are not so tasty... :barf: ...But a small price to pay for a proven treasure method! :super:

Best wishes,
J_P
ONE BROCKEN CLOCK CAN GIVE YOU THE CORRECT TIME TO TIMES IN A DAY...
The same happens with some not working LRLs...

Morgan

11-18-2008, 11:19 PM

What are LRLs supposed to do? They are supposed to help to find treasure.

Can those who make them state any claims?
Sure... Esteban claims he found numerous gold and silver artifacts after using his LRLs, as well as finding many other non-precious metal artifacts. Hung claims he located many magnificent treasures using his LRLs. So there are your claims.

But wait... Neither Esteban or hung are selling LRLs (unless there is some truth to Geo's post linking Esteban to the Iconos)?? The people who sell LRLs usually do not make claims. They rely on photos of great treasures pasted all over their websites, and testimonials from extatic customers. And foremost, They would NEVER advertise in Carl's forums because they know Carl would get hold of one of their machines and disect it to show what it really is.

But what about these amateur claims? Can they be true? Who knows? As I recall, the last time I found a gold ring at the beach with my VLF metal detector, It was after eating a MacDonalds hamburger. Also, I found $2.38 in lost change on another day after eating a MacDonalds hamburger. Therefore I must conclude that MacDonalds hamburgers are conducive to finding treasure. I guess this proves the ingredients of a MacDonalds hamburger lead to finding treasure with a VLF detector, just as an LRL leads to finding treasure regardless of what you eat. Only problem is... Macdonalds hamburgers are not so tasty... :barf: ...But a small price to pay for a proven treasure method! :super:

Best wishes,
J_P
I was testing one mineoro LRL in the beach some time ago,and one friend saw me and of course not believe this device works as LRL,but i told him many people already found treasures with mineoro devices,and he said, YES,ONE BROKEN CLOCK ALSO CAN GIVE YOU THE CORRECT TIME TWICE IN A DAY...:oh::oh::oh:
Its one lesson for some not working LRL in the market,they can find treasure by chance...and even two times in one day :shocked:

putrechigi

03-23-2009, 11:06 PM

hi hung do you know how many time we must whait for mineoro tyon?
best reguards putre

Clondike Clad

03-24-2009, 04:55 AM

I know of a real LRL that works for me and it is call the Vision.
It will put 3 frequencys in the ground for silver,gold and any metal.
Plus it can ID metal.
I just had to post this because I found my LRL:D

J_Player

03-24-2009, 05:30 AM

I know of a real LRL that works for me and it is call the Vision.
It will put 3 frequencys in the ground for silver,gold and any metal.
Plus it can ID metal.Cool!
Can you post your results and photos of the treasure you found?

Best wishes,
J_P

sweatofglory

03-24-2009, 09:02 AM

:lol: NOW SHOWING :lol:

THE THREE STOOGES

hung

03-24-2009, 11:34 AM

hi hung do you know how many time we must whait for mineoro tyon?
best reguards putre

Hi Putre,

The Mineoro Tyon is already available for some time, altough it's not featured in the site as it should. Don't know why.

We have one in our team.
I tested it in a treasure site and even in that raining day, it had no problems at all finding the target from long range. Humidity is not a problem to it as in the previous models. This was amazing.
Appears it is more magnetic oriented than electrically...

I can safely say it's the best detector Mineoro has come up so far and it's clearly an advance over previous models.
The PDC is a great machine but it suffers if high humidity is present.
I'm not using it often as we have more advanced gear now as the Tyon and our own machines.

But the FG you showed me in your video appears to be working real fine detecting the gold plate and I hope you find your treasure real soon. With the same model in that video, a friend told me to have found a gold ear ring a couple of months ago at the beach.
This is a really small target!

putrechigi

03-25-2009, 09:20 PM

sorry for the delay and thanks for the information, for a purchase should contact mineoro?
reguards manolo

Clondike Clad

03-28-2009, 09:47 PM

Cool!
Can you post your results and photos of the treasure you found?

Best wishes,
J_PI need some time, but you can ask carl about this Vision detector.
It is almost like seeing in the ground.(Carl can put me to the test with 100 cups on a table with a silver 25 cent a 50 cent and a silver $1 and I can tell
THE CUP AND WHAT UNDER IT.;););););););););););););););););););););););); ););););););););););););););););););););););););); ););););):shocked:
ALL I CAN SAY IS FUN.

J_Player

03-29-2009, 03:53 AM

I need some time, but you can ask carl about this Vision detector. It is almost like seeing in the ground.(Carl can put me to the test with 100 cups on a table with a silver 25 cent a 50 cent and a silver $1 and I can tell THE CUP AND WHAT UNDER IT.; ); ) ALL I CAN SAY IS FUN. Cool!

3 questions:
1. Can you tell which cup a silver bar is under from 10 feet away?
2. Does it see under the ground too?
3. Does it stop working when kryptonite is near?

Best wishes,
J_P

Clondike Clad

03-29-2009, 02:48 PM

Cool!

3 questions:
1. Can you tell which cup a silver bar is under from 10 feet away?
2. Does it see under the ground too?
3. Does it stop working when kryptonite is near?

Best wishes,
J_P1.At this time NO
2. It is one of the BEST AT SEEING UNDER THE GROUND even Carl knows this.
3.Don't know about the kryptonite but if it is metal I will find it.
4.Ask Carl if this VISION works(He can't so no to this one)
5. As I said this is MY real LRL and it works for me.
6.Anyone can make this VISION detect and ID some metals
7.The VISION will work anywhere and for anyone.
8.I am all smiles now.
9THE DEVIL MADE ME POST THIS GOOD INFORMATION.
10. CARL DON'T BLOCK ME BECAUSE I FOUND THE REAL WORKING LRL
11.Superman may have XRAY but I got VISION:D

J_Player

03-29-2009, 07:24 PM

I need some time, but you can ask carl about this Vision detector.
It is almost like seeing in the ground.(Carl can put me to the test with 100 cups on a table with a silver 25 cent a 50 cent and a silver $1 and I can tell
THE CUP AND WHAT UNDER IT.;););););););););););););););););););););););); ););););););););););););););););););););););););); ););););):shocked:
ALL I CAN SAY IS FUN.
Hi Clondike Clad.
You say the Vision is almost like seeing? It can tell what coin is under the cup?
I think I saw the Vision LRL for sale at several hardware stores.

Is this it?

.

Clondike Clad

03-29-2009, 07:51 PM

Hi Clondike Clad.
You say the Vision is almost like seeing? It can tell what coin is under the cup?
I think I saw the Vision LRL for sale at several hardware stores.

Is this it?

.I like it:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D :D:D
But learn about the VISION before you pick on it.
Ask Carl about it ,This bad boy works

humhum

03-29-2009, 10:50 PM

Hi Putre,

The Mineoro Tyon is already available for some time, altough it's not featured in the site as it should. Don't know why.

We have one in our team.
I tested it in a treasure site and even in that raining day, it had no problems at all finding the target from long range. Humidity is not a problem to it as in the previous models. This was amazing.
Appears it is more magnetic oriented than electrically...

I can safely say it's the best detector Mineoro has come up so far and it's clearly an advance over previous models.
The PDC is a great machine but it suffers if high humidity is present.
I'm not using it often as we have more advanced gear now as the Tyon and our own machines.

But the FG you showed me in your video appears to be working real fine detecting the gold plate and I hope you find your treasure real soon. With the same model in that video, a friend told me to have found a gold ear ring a couple of months ago at the beach.
This is a really small target!

Hi HUNG , your Mineoro Tyon how works with Tx and Rx or TX and ionic receiver, or only receiver . HOW work?