LRL Ionic/Electrostatic energy field locator [Archive]

Morgan

10-10-2008, 11:47 AM

Hi,
I saw there's a 2N3819 there... very hi input impedance at gate...

I saw that stuff in some old e.g. power lines detectors: the hi impedance of fet make it easy getting signals from e.g. static charges (even if no current or really small flows in the wires or other conductors... and not only),

Now the problem is, how this kind of front-end couldn't be saturated by static charges all around... ?

I mean, also the user must e.g. walk... move... and electrostatic charging could appear due to clotes that move too over the skin etc

Doesn't it give a lot of false signals ?

Kind regards,
Max
Hi Max

No false signals. You should not use nylon clotes.Device is so sensitive to microvolts,the screen of my TV detect 6meters,one ligth projector 4meters, of course power lines also and the phenomena of LTA buried metals.
The big problem here its the 250 mH RF chok,it drift time to time and needs adjustment with screw driver,and this is very boring to open the wood box to do it. If existe any Micro Henry control knob to put outside the wood box ,it will be great.Old BFO comes with Big 10 turn outside box capacitor ,but this not exist anymore.
This device works exactly as BFO detector,when its in the proximity of energy fields,we have reaction of the ionic circuit and increase in BF oscilator ,All together.
Possible to use device all the day,not become saturated if the ionic antennas are made as you can see in the photo.
In the begining of this project,we mix L2(ionic antenna) with BFO coil,and like this it becomes saturated,but if you put L2 as a square antenna direct behind BFO search coil,it works fantastic.
The BFO coil,should be made without any Faraday shield.
I dont know if this LRL works in Ireland:rolleyes: a lot of umidity reduce the ionic electrostatic fields,so better you not spend time building another LRL p00p device.I dont want to see you again complaining...

Morgan

10-10-2008, 12:22 PM

Hi, Morgan

L2=? uH
Two circuit ?
There is two diferent sistems in working LRL devices :

1- The ABSORBTIVE -it absorbs the electromagnetic fields produced by LTA buried metals. It is scientific information that every buried metal(hig conductive) generates an anomaly in the electric and magnetic field of the Earth,iron not produce because its magnetic material,imagine the planet is one gigantic magneto.This diference we can detect with absorbtive Pistoldetektor device.

2-The Ionic/Electrostatic-it detects the electric field of the Earth,it measure and detect the anomalies produced by LTA buried metals generated in the eletric and magnetic field of the Earth.Some people say there is some negative ions or stactic charges around LTA buried metals,this is associated with the phenomena.

Esteban

10-10-2008, 04:36 PM

There is two diferent sistems in working LRL devices :

1- The ABSORBTIVE -it absorbs the electromagnetic fields produced by LTA buried metals. It is scientific information that every buried metal(hig conductive) generates an anomaly in the electric and magnetic field of the Earth,iron not produce because its magnetic material,imagine the planet is one gigantic magneto.This diference we can detect with absorbtive Pistoldetektor device.

2-The Ionic/Electrostatic-it detects the electric field of the Earth,it measure and detect the anomalies produced by LTA buried metals generated in the eletric and magnetic field of the Earth.Some people say there is some negative ions or stactic charges around LTA buried metals,this is associated with the phenomena.

The same explanation I post here since many years. :razz:

detectoman

10-10-2008, 04:40 PM

thanks morgan for give this

hi brodhy, clear me one point

ibecause of instrucciones in circuit 1 are for my confuse
i not understand you say, where L1 circuit 1 oscillator

here say L1- 180x11 cm etc --------- AND down say 22cm x 30 cm, what is these?
clear me please

wire is inside aluminium tube square? is not easy put 15 turns inside

i am entusiast of bfo's not ufo's haha these complex stuff is for my

detectoman

10-10-2008, 04:49 PM

mm i think understand

morgan say me ok
1.80 ( m ) es the messure lenght of aluminun tube extended for 1 cm of diameter ?
jjjjaajjaa hey brodhy these is of you wrong specification

detectoman

10-10-2008, 04:51 PM

oh yeah i understand is the wire coper extended
but x 11 ( milesimas ) mm
fiuuuuuuuuuu

Fred

10-10-2008, 09:35 PM

Here is schematic from your PCB.
NOT CHECKED!
It´s just a BFO detector.
Regards,
Fred.

Morgan

10-11-2008, 12:42 AM

Here is schematic from your PCB.
NOT CHECKED!
It´s just a BFO detector.
Regards,
Fred.
As i said before,its one BFO detector working together with one ion detector.You are missing the other PCB (ions detector).

Fred

10-11-2008, 01:04 AM

I wonder what is the purpose of the BFO if the ion can detect far away??

Morgan

10-11-2008, 01:17 AM

6798thanks morgan for give this

hi brodhy, clear me one point

ibecause of instrucciones in circuit 1 are for my confuse
i not understand you say, where L1 circuit 1 oscillator

here say L1- 180x11 cm etc --------- AND down say 22cm x 30 cm, what is these?
clear me please

wire is inside aluminium tube square? is not easy put 15 turns inside

i am entusiast of bfo's not ufo's haha these complex stuff is for my
PCB1

L2= 18 cm x 11 cm BFO coil made of 12 or 15 turns,wire 0,25 mm. No Faraday Shield.

PCB2

L1= Big Aluminium Antenna 22 cm x 30 cm(ion detector 1)
L2=Small single turn,copper antenna 8cm x 4cm ,Ion detector 2(this one fixed in the wood box,behind the BFO coil).

Morgan

10-11-2008, 01:25 AM

I wonder what is the purpose of the BFO if the ion can detect far away??
I will ask the person who was mixing the two circuits. But i think its not only to pinpoint the objects located by the ionic. In my experiments,they react together to targets.

Morgan

10-11-2008, 01:28 AM

I wonder what is the purpose of the BFO if the ion can detect far away??
Oh,i forget to tell,its possible to ear sometimes radio station many kilometers faraway !!! :D

Esteban

10-11-2008, 03:12 PM

I was post this many months ago. If somebody here has good memory :rolleyes: ... And this is 30 years old!!! Some similarities are just coincidences!!! :lol:

Clondike Clad

10-11-2008, 03:54 PM

Anyone going for Carl's gold yet.
I see circuits but no one is going for Carl's GOLD.
I will go back to lurking.:rolleyes:

humhum

10-11-2008, 05:18 PM

Hi Morgan , L1 (PCB2) and L2 (PCB2) .

So open loop anten ?

http://i074.radikal.ru/0810/2a/75967623141b.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)

Fred

10-11-2008, 10:54 PM

Anyone going for Carl's gold yet.
I see circuits but no one is going for Carl's GOLD.
I will go back to lurking.:rolleyes:
I have seen many post from you asking for diagrams to begin to build a LRL : now you have them...
Fred

Morgan

10-11-2008, 11:02 PM

Hi Morgan , L1 (PCB2) and L2 (PCB2) .

So open loop anten ?

http://i074.radikal.ru/0810/2a/75967623141b.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)
This is Ionic Locator(negative). Yes we based on this one because its much more simple than Zahory,and it works very good.
The antennas we put diferent as you can see in my drawing,we get better results.
Yes realy very useful schematic...

Morgan

10-11-2008, 11:07 PM

I was post this many months ago. If somebody here has good memory :rolleyes: ... And this is 30 years old!!! Some similarities are just coincidences!!! :lol:
Of course we study your devices Esteban. We know very well they work,but unfortunatly you never put complete shematics...
Anyway thaks for the teory about working LRL and nice LRL device photos.

Morgan

10-11-2008, 11:13 PM

I was post this many months ago. If somebody here has good memory :rolleyes: ... And this is 30 years old!!! Some similarities are just coincidences!!! :lol:
Yes,we made like this because its logical,and you said it woks.
And i can see in this photo you use near the coil some kind of IONIC CHAMBER. I know also,that its possible to polarize one gold leaf inside the tube. This will make device more selective to find only GOLD !!!
Can you teach,how to do this ionic chamber?

regards

Morgan

10-11-2008, 11:16 PM

I have seen many post from you asking for diagrams to begin to build a LRL : now you have them...
Fred
Yes,it works,and i say its easy to build !!!
Of course Pistoldetektor,as i said before,works much better...

Morgan

10-11-2008, 11:22 PM

Anyone going for Carl's gold yet.
I see circuits but no one is going for Carl's GOLD.
I will go back to lurking.:rolleyes:
Carl´s buried Gold consist in fresh samples. Only one crazy man go to this challenge with LRL device who works only with long time ago (buried) gold. I also put here my challenge with my conditions...

Morgan

10-11-2008, 11:37 PM

Hi Morgan , L1 (PCB2) and L2 (PCB2) .

So open loop anten ?

http://i074.radikal.ru/0810/2a/75967623141b.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)
The headphones please not use them,you should use speaker,or you get a lot of erratic signals because of the moving cable.
If you have more powerful BFO,can use acording the connections in the schematics.

Esteban

10-11-2008, 11:50 PM

Clondike Clad

10-12-2008, 12:47 AM

I have seen many post from you asking for diagrams to begin to build a LRL : now you have them...
Fred
Now I don't know about you but I do know a lil electronics.....
JUST LOOK AT THAT CIRCUIT AND PLEASE TELL ME WHAT YOU SEEEEEEEE.
NOT A METAL DETECTOR FOR LONG RANGE.:nono:
If i'm wrong can other please tell me what you see in this circuit?
Carl can you tell us what you see in this circuit with two 9v on it.

Morgan

10-12-2008, 02:05 AM

Now I don't know about you but I do know a lil electronics.....
JUST LOOK AT THAT CIRCUIT AND PLEASE TELL ME WHAT YOU SEEEEEEEE.
NOT A METAL DETECTOR FOR LONG RANGE.:nono:
If i'm wrong can other please tell me what you see in this circuit?
Carl can you tell us what you see in this circuit with two 9v on it.
I made and try two diferent ion detectors. Alone they cant detect the phenomenon of long time ago buried metals,only other energies around. They need other circuits to help them to find the metals.

rajesh

10-12-2008, 05:06 AM

hi i has built ...........
http://geotech.thunting.com/pages/lrl/reports/tscope/schematic.jpg

Fred

10-12-2008, 01:09 PM

Shhh!!!! :lol: There are spy!!! :lol:
Esteban,
What is the problem of people knowing how to build it ? they are not going to search for YOUR treasures, so why don´t you want to give all the details?
And even if Chineses company are making it, you will be the one that invented it.
Like Da Vinci and the helicopter :lol:
Regards,
Fred.

Esteban

10-12-2008, 05:31 PM

Esteban,
What is the problem of people knowing how to build it ? they are not going to search for YOUR treasures, so why don´t you want to give all the details?
And even if Chineses company are making it, you will be the one that invented it.
Like Da Vinci and the helicopter :lol:
Regards,
Fred.

I'm not afraid by treasures, these can exist or not. Will be invented if patented. Show in a forum is not guarantee of "pioneerism".

By the way, if somebody copy, they will manage the invention and I'll manage the idea :lol:. So, they will make money but no me. :lol:

Of course, Da Vinci stay poor and war industry is very rich. :razz:

Esteban

10-12-2008, 05:44 PM

I have "invented" some magnetic sensor than this and other 100 different kinds. But just this is not for gold. :lol:

Morgan

10-12-2008, 08:02 PM

hi i has built ...........
http://geotech.thunting.com/pages/lrl/reports/tscope/schematic.jpg
This one you have built as 5 antennas but even if you put 10 or 100 it not locate LTA buried metals. As i told,and Esteban know very well,you need to mix the circuit with one Frequency oscilator or make the same as MINEORO devices using the ionic chamber(Gold leaf saturated by 11 Hz pulses coming from the circuit to the Anode,all this spikes charge the gold positively,this is one secret,that i wold like to know better...) .
The big failure with LRL Zahory´s in this forum its becouse they use only pure ionic circuits,extremely sensitives but not enough to locate the buried metals.

Steve in MS

10-13-2008, 03:23 AM

I'm not afraid by treasures, these can exist or not. Will be invented if patented. Show in a forum is not guarantee of "pioneerism".

By the way, if somebody copy, they will manage the invention and I'll manage the idea :lol:. So, they will make money but no me. :lol:

Of course, Da Vinci stay poor and war industry is very rich. :razz:

Then patent your idea. If you do not patent, you will stay poor whether you keep it to yourself or show it to others, no?...Unless you are finding a lot of treasures which in that case, who cares about the instrument.
Regards.

Morgan

10-13-2008, 01:00 PM

Then patent your idea. If you do not patent, you will stay poor whether you keep it to yourself or show it to others, no?...Unless you are finding a lot of treasures which in that case, who cares about the instrument.
Regards.
When you get the working LRL equipment,you will get the conclusion : There are not so many treasures around where you live,so its also to invest a lot of money in big travels in the country or around the World...
Of course if Esteban give to you or the others the secret of one working LRL,his cousin Alonso kill him,imagine Mineoro stop the business,and big companies like White´s,Fisher,start mass productions of better quality LRL´s based on Esteban& Alonso discoveries.
I already put information in this forum ,enough to build one working LRL Pistoldetektor,and because of this Esteban is very desapointed with me...

Morgan

10-13-2008, 01:08 PM

When you get the working LRL equipment,you will get the conclusion : There are not so many treasures around where you live,so its also to invest a lot of money in big travels in the country or around the World...
Of course if Esteban give to you or the others the secret of one working LRL,his cousin Alonso kill him,imagine Mineoro stop the business,and big companies like White´s,Fisher,start mass productions of better quality LRL´s based on Esteban& Alonso discoveries.
I already put information in this forum ,enough to build one working LRL Pistoldetektor,and because of this Esteban is very desapointed with me...
If someone here,as knolenge about ionic/electrostatic energies,i would like to construct the ionic chamber,based on the information from MineoroGreece member. This would be very useful to put the ionic devices more selective,finding only the GOLD.:D

putrechigi

10-13-2008, 02:35 PM

When you get the working LRL equipment,you will get the conclusion : There are not so many treasures around where you live,so its also to invest a lot of money in big travels in the country or around the World...
Of course if Esteban give to you or the others the secret of one working LRL,his cousin Alonso kill him,imagine Mineoro stop the business,and big companies like White´s,Fisher,start mass productions of better quality LRL´s based on Esteban& Alonso discoveries.
I already put information in this forum ,enough to build one working LRL Pistoldetektor,and because of this Esteban is very desapointed with me...
hi at hall and hi morgan now i work outside my country but i'm shure in my country we have MANY;MANY;MANY treasure "small and big" that waiting to be found and i said this not for to came in my country but because the istory of italy is very long and I know people who have already 'found without electrical component but only plowing the land with bulldozers and tractors or while digging the foundations of our house but not only archeological treasure , in the second war too we have the treasure that the germany army took and hid in churches;) or in italy bank;);););););););)

best reguards

Morgan

10-13-2008, 02:54 PM

If someone here,as knolenge about ionic/electrostatic energies,i would like to construct the ionic chamber,based on the information from MineoroGreece member. This would be very useful to put the ionic devices more selective,finding only the GOLD.:D
6822

I´m waithing more information about this ionic chamber,maybe someone can help?

Fred

10-13-2008, 03:41 PM

Of course if Esteban give to you or the others the secret of one working LRL,his cousin Alonso kill him,imagine Mineoro stop the business..
I heard alonso is poor, that is not going to make much difference.And i suppose you only would have to buy one and copy it if there is no patents.But we talked about this before :rolleyes:

6822

I´m waithing more information about this ionic chamber,maybe someone can help?
I don´t think epoxy as isolant is good enought :shocked:
Regards,
Fred.

PS: the best info i have ever seen about this is here: http://www.techlib.com/science/ion.html
If a ion chamber detects treasures then with this one , from your country you are going to detect Putrechigi´s treasure...

Morgan

10-13-2008, 05:16 PM

I heard alonso is poor, that is not going to make much difference.And i suppose you only would have to buy one and copy it if there is no patents.But we talked about this before :rolleyes:

I don´t think epoxy as isolant is good enought :shocked:
Regards,
Fred.

PS: the best info i have ever seen about this is here: http://www.techlib.com/science/ion.html
If a ion chamber detects treasures then with this one , from your country you are going to detect Putrechigi´s treasure...
Hi Fred

Wat i understand about the ion chamber information you give :

The center antenna its the Catode(-)

The metal tube its the Anode (+)

And wath about the GOLD leaf??? Where mineoro connect the gold leaf?

Regards

Fred

10-13-2008, 05:27 PM

Hi Fred

Wat i understand about the ion chamber information you give :
The center antenna its the Catode(-)
The metal tube its the Anode (+)
And wath about the GOLD leaf??? Where mineoro connect the gold leaf?
Regards
I think the gold leaf is a proprietary secret of mineoro :razz: i don´t know what is its (real) purpose...
Now the these things inside the chamber are all electrodes, being cathode or anode merely depends on the use you make of them,i.e. the potentials applied to them...
Regards,
Fred.

hung

10-13-2008, 06:40 PM

Esteban

10-13-2008, 07:55 PM

Very well said Esteban.
It's exactly that!

Yes! :lol:

Morgan

10-13-2008, 08:22 PM

6824Yes! :lol:
Hi Esteban

Is this some U.F.O engine or it is something you know very well ???
:lol::lol::lol:

Fred

10-13-2008, 08:24 PM

Fred

10-13-2008, 08:34 PM

of course, Da Vinci stay poor and war industry is very rich. :razz:

Yes, but centuries after we still remember Da Vinci but we forget about war manufacturer :D

Morgan

10-14-2008, 12:30 AM

6825

6826

6827Yes, but centuries after we still remember Da Vinci but we forget about war manufacturer :D
Uhhhhhhhh !!! :shocked::shocked::shocked::shocked::shocked::shoc ked::shocked::shocked::shocked::shocked:

Fred

10-14-2008, 01:08 AM

6825

6826

6827
Uhhhhhhhh !!! :shocked::shocked::shocked::shocked::shocked::shoc ked::shocked::shocked::shocked::shocked:

Hi Morgan,
nice pictures.Thanks for posting.
Why are you so shocked?

Alexismex

10-14-2008, 03:10 AM

Hello Fred i make these photos year ago and I can tell you that it is impossible have some vacuum in a "PVC plumber construction" of this kind:):):)
It is a joke chamber!!!!
Alexis

Clondike Clad

10-14-2008, 04:18 AM

This one you have built as 5 antennas but even if you put 10 or 100 it not locate LTA buried metals. As i told,and Esteban know very well,you need to mix the circuit with one Frequency oscilator or make the same as MINEORO devices using the ionic chamber(Gold leaf saturated by 11 Hz pulses coming from the circuit to the Anode,all this spikes charge the gold positively,this is one secret,that i wold like to know better...) .
The big failure with LRL Zahory´s in this forum its becouse they use only pure ionic circuits,extremely sensitives but not enough to locate the buried metals.

This is as old as time. back to lurking

Fred

10-14-2008, 01:50 PM

Hello Fred i make these photos year ago and I can tell you that it is impossible have some vacuum in a "PVC plumber construction" of this kind:):):)
It is a joke chamber!!!!
Alexis
Hi Alexis ,
Independently of if it works or not, i don´t think vacuum is necessary for a ion chamber to work,you can see this on the link i posted.
Of course ambiant humidity may change sensitivity.
The epoxy an pvc however don´t look like good materials for this...
This is as old as time. back to lurking
How went your project from the schematic posted here ?

Esteban

10-14-2008, 07:54 PM

Very well said Steve,
It is exactly that!!

Don't know how much you pay for year for patent, but here you pay a sum by each patent for each year, so if I come to patent all I have, I'll stay more poor! :lol:

Esteban

10-14-2008, 07:57 PM

Hello Fred i make these photos year ago and I can tell you that it is impossible have some vacuum in a "PVC plumber construction" of this kind:):):)
It is a joke chamber!!!!
Alexis

Do you understand now what I want to said? The people forgot that you post this or never navigate in Archive or investigate the threads.

Esteban

10-14-2008, 08:13 PM

Hi Alexis ,
Independently of if it works or not, i don´t think vacuum is necessary for a ion chamber to work,you can see this on the link i posted.
Of course ambiant humidity may change sensitivity.
The epoxy an pvc however don´t look like good materials for this...

How went your project from the schematic posted here ?

No need vacuum. Also some chambers no need vacuum.

Fred

10-14-2008, 09:00 PM

Do you understand now what I want to said? The people forgot that you post this or never navigate in Archive or investigate the threads.
Yes, you are right.And then says everything is the same,a go back to lurking.

Morgan

10-14-2008, 11:02 PM

Hello Fred i make these photos year ago and I can tell you that it is impossible have some vacuum in a "PVC plumber construction" of this kind:):):)
It is a joke chamber!!!!
Alexis
If Mineoro is a joke or not thats wath i´m trying to understand but anyway did you already saw some grams of 24K gold in other LRL frauds???
Now i´m learning things about Mineoro,before i was completly skeptic...
You have done a good work opening the magic box for everybody .

Regards

Morgan

10-15-2008, 12:07 AM

6765

6766

Here we can the LRL prototipe and another LRL yellow big Antenna device created by Alonso who still in TOP SECRET.
The LRL prototipe device can be improved for more distance,and maybe will find small objects. I will try to modify the antennas,i have some ideias...
E.Engeneers please dont laugh abouth this:nerd:

Morgan

10-15-2008, 12:45 AM

Do you understand now what I want to said? The people forgot that you post this or never navigate in Archive or investigate the threads.
Hi Esteban

AlexisMex,made good action,opening the Mineoro wood box and specialy the ionic chamber. You already know all the secrets about Mineoro,you have good knolenge about LRL´s, but i´m learnig,i´m curious,i´m interested...
In my point of view,the Mineoro Ionic chamber as strange design but i think works,not forget Damasio & Alonso are very good with antennas,i can see one brass antenna inside the chamber.
Acording to mineorogreece informations,the 11 Hz square pulses coming direct to the cathode thru black wire,but after i saw the AlexisMex drawing it seams it comes thru red wire direct to the gold disc,and the proximity (1mm gap)with the brass antenna creates spikes who charges the chamber with positive gold ions,Of course this sounds nonsense to E.E in this forum...
until now,it makes me big confusion,how its possible Mineoro become more sensitive when searching for treasure in the oceans6833? Mrs Damasio told me,device become much more sensitive when searching in salt wather,rivers or lakes. IF THE IONS BECOME DISIPATED WHEN ITS MORE THAN 80% UMIDITY,HOW ITS POSSIBLE THEY GO THRU WATHER ??? :nerd:Maibe you can explain this miracle.

Regards

Esteban

10-15-2008, 01:55 AM

Hi Esteban

AlexisMex,made good action,opening the Mineoro wood box and specialy the ionic chamber. You already know all the secrets about Mineoro,you have good knolenge about LRL´s, but i´m learnig,i´m curious,i´m interested...
In my point of view,the Mineoro Ionic chamber as strange design but i think works,not forget Damasio & Alonso are very good with antennas,i can see one brass antenna inside the chamber.
Acording to mineorogreece informations,the 11 Hz square pulses coming direct to the cathode thru black wire,but after i saw the AlexisMex drawing it seams it comes thru red wire direct to the gold disc,and the proximity (1mm gap)with the brass antenna creates spikes who charges the chamber with positive gold ions,Of course this sounds nonsense to E.E in this forum...
until now,it makes me big confusion,how its possible Mineoro become more sensitive when searching for treasure in the oceans6833? Mrs Damasio told me,device become much more sensitive when searching in salt wather,rivers or lakes. IF THE IONS BECOME DISIPATED WHEN ITS MORE THAN 80% UMIDITY,HOW ITS POSSIBLE THEY GO THRU WATHER ??? :nerd:Maibe you can explain this miracle.

Regards

You can imagine or design for experimentation many kinds of "sensors" come in your mind.

Humidity in air is not the same than water.

Morgan

10-15-2008, 02:04 AM

You can imagine or design for experimentation many kinds of "sensors" come in your mind.

Humidity in air is not the same than water.
What you mean? I realy not understand...80% of Humidithy is bad for LRL but the wather 100% is good?
I´m confused,can you explain better?
Yes,i want to make some tests with diferent ionic chambers.

Regards

Esteban

10-15-2008, 03:25 PM

What you mean? I realy not understand...80% of Humidithy is bad for LRL but the wather 100% is good?
I´m confused,can you explain better?
Yes,i want to make some tests with diferent ionic chambers.

Regards

The humidity in air or extreme fog affects all environment and disperses the small "energy" of the field, is as a shortcircuit. Water or shallow water (or shallow soil) is good conductive. In this shallow soil targets are good detectable and at more distance too.

This humidity in excess also affects circuitry, so is good for this purpose barnish PCB and components.

Fred

10-15-2008, 04:04 PM

The humidity in air or extreme fog affects all environment and disperses the small "energy" of the field, is as a shortcircuit. Water or shallow water (or shallow soil) is good conductive. In this shallow soil targets are good detectable and at more distance too.

This humidity in excess also affects circuitry, so is good for this purpose barnish PCB and components.
Hi esteban,
If it is so, why dry soil is better , a and how ions or magnetic field or whatever propagate thru water? this makes no sense to me...
Regards,
Fred.

Morgan

10-15-2008, 10:03 PM

The humidity in air or extreme fog affects all environment and disperses the small "energy" of the field, is as a shortcircuit. Water or shallow water (or shallow soil) is good conductive. In this shallow soil targets are good detectable and at more distance too.

This humidity in excess also affects circuitry, so is good for this purpose barnish PCB and components.
Hi Esteban
As i understand,only the humidity in the air afect LRL devices,and the wather is good because conductivity,and send a lot of ions to the surface,easy colected by the ionic chamber...

Regards

Morgan

10-15-2008, 10:04 PM

Hi esteban,
If it is so, why dry soil is better , a and how ions or magnetic field or whatever propagate thru water? this makes no sense to me...
Regards,
Fred.
Also not make sense to me,but i´m learning...

Geo

10-15-2008, 10:20 PM

Of course we study your devices Esteban. We know very well they work,but unfortunatly you never put complete shematics...
Anyway thaks for the teory about working LRL and nice LRL device photos.

Hi Morgan. What do you say about this and it schematic ????
Regards:):)

Esteban

10-16-2008, 02:01 PM

Hi Morgan. What do you say about this and it schematic ????
Regards:):)

This is good, but also detect old bronze and copper.

Geo

10-16-2008, 02:07 PM

Very good.... but why..... dont you have samples inside the head ????
I like it. I have the schematic of the receiver and now i try with the transmitter.
Regards :)

Esteban

10-16-2008, 02:41 PM

Since 1926 there are long range locator. So you can integrate in an only box as a pistol: :razz:

Esteban

10-16-2008, 04:32 PM

Very good.... but why..... dont you have samples inside the head ????
I like it. I have the schematic of the receiver and now i try with the transmitter.
Regards :)

You have some pics of the pistol here:

Esteban

10-16-2008, 04:47 PM

The 1926 Radio Gold Explorer in cover of the magazine.

"Nothing is new under the Sun, except what we have forgotten." (A seamstress of king French Louis.) Wisdom!

Esteban

10-16-2008, 05:03 PM

Also you can find it in the first??? electronic MD book: (in the cover a impulse –pulse induction?– MD two coils).

Esteban

10-16-2008, 05:40 PM

The 1926 Radio Gold Explorer in cover of the magazine.

"Nothing is new under the Sun, except what we have forgotten." (A seamstress of king French Louis.) Wisdom!

Maybe this is better:

"No new things under the Sun, except what we have forgotten."

Geo

10-16-2008, 06:13 PM

Since 1926 there are long range locator. So you can integrate in an only box as a pistol: :razz:

Yes i think that it has the attached antena:lol::lol:

Geo

10-16-2008, 06:15 PM

or something about tha parabola :lol::lol:

Geo

10-16-2008, 06:31 PM

You have some pics of the pistol here:

Very good.... If you will give and the schematic :lol::lol::lol:
I have one schematic from your pistol. I attach the schematic of the pcb before the TDA7000 :lol:
:):):)

Morgan

10-16-2008, 08:55 PM

Hi Morgan. What do you say about this and it schematic ????
Regards:):)
Hi GEO

I also like this device,i think its the ABSORBTIVE tipe like the PD.So,no need samples inside to work. You should share schematic with forum :rolleyes:

Regards

Morgan

10-16-2008, 09:42 PM

Hi Morgan. What do you say about this and it schematic ????
Regards:):)
Hi Geo

Is this one also made by Alonso?

Tell me about air distances & long time ago buried objects.

It looks more complicated to replicate than the other PD...:nerd:

Regards

Morgan

10-16-2008, 10:01 PM

This is good, but also detect old bronze and copper.
If detects also copper and bronze very easy its because this device is more sensitive to the PHENOMENA of LTA buried metals...

Morgan

10-16-2008, 10:05 PM

Since 1926 there are long range locator. So you can integrate in an only box as a pistol: :razz:

Of course,but the skeptics cant see the evidence,even the old simple equipment works as LRL...

Morgan

10-16-2008, 10:14 PM

You have some pics of the pistol here:
Acording to my experiments with PD,its possible also to put the ferrite inside the coil,with NULE POINT calibration.
I see you made this one with CONCENTRIC COILS,of course better than old Heathkit OMEGA...

Regards Esteban

Esteban

10-17-2008, 02:13 PM

Very good.... If you will give and the schematic :lol::lol::lol:
I have one schematic from your pistol. I attach the schematic of the pcb before the TDA7000 :lol:
:):):)

Hi Geo

A question: Where is Andreas? He is lost since various months...

Esteban

10-17-2008, 02:58 PM

Hi GEO

I also like this device,i think its the ABSORBTIVE tipe like the PD.So,no need samples inside to work. You should share schematic with forum :rolleyes:

Regards

Morgan,

Is absorptive but stimulated by coil in frequency.

Esteban

10-17-2008, 02:59 PM

Hi Geo

Is this one also made by Alonso?

Tell me about air distances & long time ago buried objects.

It looks more complicated to replicate than the other PD...:nerd:

Regards

This was made by me. Such pics was posted time ago.

Esteban

10-17-2008, 03:01 PM

Acording to my experiments with PD,its possible also to put the ferrite inside the coil,with NULE POINT calibration.
I see you made this one with CONCENTRIC COILS,of course better than old Heathkit OMEGA...

Regards Esteban

Just with experiments you "discover" many things. :)

Nihil Roma Maius

10-17-2008, 03:28 PM

Of course,but the skeptics cant see the evidence,even the old simple equipment works as LRL...

Yes, simple equipment can work as LRL.

Regards

Nihil Roma Maius

Geo

10-17-2008, 05:48 PM

Hi Geo

A question: Where is Andreas? He is lost since various months...

Hi Esteban :)
He is your friend :):)
He sent me email why i post the small schematic of your Pistol:lol::lol:
You did not say nothing about the schematic, and has problem Andreas :lol::lol:
Anyway, i say only to you
Best Wishes:)

Esteban

10-17-2008, 08:48 PM

Hi Esteban :)
He is your friend :):)
He sent me email why i post the small schematic of your Pistol:lol::lol:
You did not say nothing about the schematic, and has problem Andreas :lol::lol:
Anyway, i say only to you
Best Wishes:)

Hi Geo,

Maybe all we are friends... at the end! :lol: Congratulations for your forum, this is a great step! I navigate into the forum and found some things...

Esteban

10-17-2008, 08:51 PM

Geo

10-17-2008, 10:04 PM

Hi Geo,

Maybe all we are friends... at the end! :lol: Congratulations for your forum, this is a great step! I navigate into the forum and found some things...

Thank you.:)
But i see the same things. He Tell you everything about me... Why ????
Who is the problem if i will give the schematic of your pistol ???? Maybe the schematic is wrong..... I see that you have not problem, why Andreaw have problem......
Now, about our (not mine) forum, it will be pleasure to see you with your name on the Forum, but there is a big problem.... It is at Greek language
Anyway i am there...:)

Morgan

10-17-2008, 10:41 PM

Very good.... If you will give and the schematic :lol::lol::lol:
I have one schematic from your pistol. I attach the schematic of the pcb before the TDA7000 :lol:
:):):)
This schematic its only one little part of the big Iceberg...:shocked:

Geo

10-17-2008, 10:45 PM

This schematic its only one little part of the big Iceberg...:shocked:
Yes....:)

humhum

10-19-2008, 02:00 PM

Hi Morgan, how is true of ionic coils ?
6861?

Morgan

10-19-2008, 02:30 PM

Hi Morgan, how is true of ionic coils ?
6861?
Should be first option with close loop.

humhum

10-19-2008, 07:57 PM

:) Thank you Morgan.

Morgan

10-19-2008, 09:59 PM

This was made by me. Such pics was posted time ago.
Hi Esteban

This blue PD works better than the other Alonso PD ?
Wath frequences uses in transmiter and receiver?
It looks very nice device,you are LRL Artist.

Regards

Esteban

10-20-2008, 12:55 PM

Hi Esteban

This blue PD works better than the other Alonso PD ?
Wath frequences uses in transmiter and receiver?
It looks very nice device,you are LRL Artist.

Regards

This use low frequency for to stimulate the receiver coil. Is near 1 Khz, just for to stimulate the round loop.

Other small loop is TDA7000 antenna receiver.

Sorry, I'm not an artist! :lol:

Regards

Esteban

humhum

10-21-2008, 09:41 PM

Hi morgan,

:rolleyes: When will ı see inside of Zolatoy LRL pictures.

Morgan

10-22-2008, 02:33 AM

Hi morgan,

:rolleyes: When will ı see inside of Zolatoy LRL pictures.
This one is some metal detector who works together with powerfull proton magnetometer,as i told before,i sold this device...

humhum

10-22-2008, 07:20 PM

Ok Morgan.

Morgan

10-22-2008, 10:12 PM

Ok Morgan.
TO EVERYBODY WHO DECIDE TO CONSTRUCT THE LRL BFO ANTENNAS,SHOULD SEND TO ME PM FOR MORE INFORMATION.:)

humhum

10-25-2008, 09:04 AM

Hi Esteban , please send more photos (inside-near ) for this device or post block diagram.

6922

Morgan

10-26-2008, 01:25 AM

TO EVERYBODY WHO DECIDE TO CONSTRUCT THE LRL BFO ANTENNAS,SHOULD SEND TO ME PM FOR MORE INFORMATION.:)
It seams to me,i need to adapt other circuit for better electromagnetic resonance...:rolleyes:

Morgan

10-26-2008, 01:29 AM

Hi Esteban , please send more photos (inside-near ) for this device or post block diagram.

6922
Hi Esteban
Wath you have inside the white tube near the coil?
Its maybe empty...6923

Morgan

10-26-2008, 07:53 PM

6925Hi Esteban
Wath you have inside the white tube near the coil?
Its maybe empty...6923

Geo

10-27-2008, 11:55 AM

6925

The famous DCH....
The best Mineoro machine. It worked good, but Mineoro stop it.
Why????
Maybe Esteban knows to tell me
Regards:)

Esteban

10-27-2008, 01:51 PM

The famous DCH....
The best Mineoro machine. It worked good, but Mineoro stop it.
Why????
Maybe Esteban knows to tell me
Regards:)

There is better model called Oscillator 2000, similar than the DCH 85, and don't know if stop or not in production. And if not stop in production, don't know why isn't in the web page.

Geo

10-27-2008, 05:31 PM

There is better model called Oscillator 2000, similar than the DCH 85, and don't know if stop or not in production. And if not stop in production, don't know why isn't in the web page.

Yes but why Mineoro stop DCH....
Do you know ?????:):)

Morgan

10-27-2008, 09:00 PM

Yes but why Mineoro stop DCH....
Do you know ?????:):)
????????????????????????????????:shocked:
And it as less gold inside than other models...
It works better,so why they stop production?

Morgan

10-27-2008, 09:42 PM

????????????????????????????????:shocked:
And it as less gold inside than other models...
It works better,so why they stop production?

GOLD INSIDE???
I think i was dreaming :D

Geo

10-27-2008, 09:56 PM

GOLD INSIDE???
I think i was dreaming :D

Maybe a sample.
But as i know, at Greece the DCH85 was a workable LRL, not as PDC....
There was a trik with the head and the DCH was special :):)

Esteban

10-27-2008, 09:59 PM

Yes but why Mineoro stop DCH....
Do you know ?????:):)

Also good old MDs stop in production and new sometimes are better or not.

Geo

10-27-2008, 10:29 PM

Some people say that Mineoro did not wanted to produce a workable LRL and to give it at the market.

hung

10-28-2008, 10:51 AM

Some people say that Mineoro did not wanted to produce a workable LRL and to give it at the market.

The PDC project and the latest models are many times more powerful than the DCH. The DCH needed almost 100% of ionic emanations to detect. The PDC only 50%.

Testing both of them a couple of years ago in a ancient gold target, the PDC beeped clearly at 100 m distance. The DCH not a single beep even from 25 m.

According to a friend, the DCH needs a tweaking inside it to work better.

PS. Your sentence above is just absurd.

Geo

10-28-2008, 11:39 AM

The PDC project and the latest models are many times more powerful than the DCH. The DCH needed almost 100% of ionic emanations to detect. The PDC only 50%.

Testing both of them a couple of years ago in a ancient gold target, the PDC beeped clearly at 100 m distance. The DCH not a single beep even from 25 m.

According to a friend, the DCH needs a tweaking inside it to work better.

PS. Your sentence above is just absurd.

I dont agree:nono:.
When they rubbed the front side of the head with some object, grows the sensitivity and could detect objects from long distance. Pdc does not can detect from long distance, at least here at Greece. So DCH.. is better !!!!

Morgan

10-28-2008, 01:19 PM

The PDC project and the latest models are many times more powerful than the DCH. The DCH needed almost 100% of ionic emanations to detect. The PDC only 50%.

Testing both of them a couple of years ago in a ancient gold target, the PDC beeped clearly at 100 m distance. The DCH not a single beep even from 25 m.

According to a friend, the DCH needs a tweaking inside it to work better.

PS. Your sentence above is just absurd.
Hi Hung

Can you explain me what is a tweaking?

Regards

Esteban

10-28-2008, 01:31 PM

I dont agree:nono:.
When they rubbed the front side of the head with some object, grows the sensitivity and could detect objects from long distance. Pdc does not can detect from long distance, at least here at Greece. So DCH.. is better !!!!

Because static is part of the explanation. But how do you know it?

Qiaozhi

10-28-2008, 03:51 PM

The PDC project and the latest models are many times more powerful than the DCH.
If the result is zero, then it doesn't matter if the next model is several times more powerful (whatever means) the result will still be zero. :razz:

Can you explain me what is a tweaking?
He means "to make an small adjustment".
Should make a big difference. :lol:

Geo

10-28-2008, 08:13 PM

Because static is part of the explanation. But how do you know it?

I agree. I know one of the owners that made this trik :)

humhum

11-02-2008, 08:58 AM

Where are you ???

rajesh

11-02-2008, 10:21 AM

Yes,we made like this because its logical,and you said it woks.
And i can see in this photo you use near the coil some kind of IONIC CHAMBER. I know also,that its possible to polarize one gold leaf inside the tube. This will make device more selective to find only GOLD !!!
Can you teach,how to do this ionic chamber?

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Morgan

11-02-2008, 04:38 PM

6798
PCB1

L2= 18 cm x 11 cm BFO coil made of 12 or 15 turns,wire 0,25 mm. No Faraday Shield.

PCB2

L1= Big Aluminium Antenna 22 cm x 30 cm(ion detector 1)
L2=Small single turn,copper antenna 8cm x 4cm ,Ion detector 2(this one fixed in the wood box,behind the BFO coil).
I think i become tyred of this LRL crap...:drool:

Esteban,you are afraid of wath?
You can see here this shematic,is ok to put there? or better the other?

Chose between them...

Itry to delete,sorry,not happens

Already send message to Carl

J_Player

11-02-2008, 05:00 PM

I think i become tyred of this LRL crap...:drool:Hmmm...
Didn't Qiaozhi once say this too? :rolleyes:

Best wishes,
J_P

Esteban

11-02-2008, 11:39 PM

Admin had the gentility of deleting them. Thanks!

Esteban

11-02-2008, 11:41 PM

Very good.... If you will give and the schematic :lol::lol::lol:
I have one schematic from your pistol. I attach the schematic of the pcb before the TDA7000 :lol:
:):):)

This mean you have the Iconos' schematic... Except Iconos don't use TDA7000 and other variants...

humhum

11-05-2008, 10:13 PM

Mag.f.d.

Geo

11-06-2008, 06:48 AM

This mean you have the Iconos' schematic... Except Iconos don't use TDA7000 and other variants...

Why you always answer for Iconos????
Iconos is your machine :(:( not mine, simple it don't write Esteban.....
I know your associate :lol: and so i have the schematic.
Mineoro made DCH...., you took the schematic and put a TDA7000 and made new pistol (modify by Esteban:lol:). Later you insert the DCH schematic in a wooden box and named it ICONOS.
Your associate inform you that i opened the Iconos ??????:lol:
Don't you have other job to do, than to looking for what i do with mydetectors... my forum etc.
Really i had you as a serious person:(

Esteban

11-06-2008, 11:24 AM

Why you always answer for Iconos????
Iconos is your machine :(:( not mine, simple it don't write Esteban.....
I know your associate :lol: and so i have the schematic.
Mineoro made DCH...., you took the schematic and put a TDA7000 and made new pistol (modify by Esteban:lol:). Later you insert the DCH schematic in a wooden box and named it ICONOS.
Your associate inform you that i opened the Iconos ??????:lol:
Don't you have other job to do, than to looking for what i do with mydetectors... my forum etc.
Really i had you as a serious person:(

No, I'm not associated, as always, and never I was associated with nobody in any businesses. Simple: I have the schematic, no more mistery. I ask you because seems you have as me. :lol: And the pistol I design isn't DCH in totallity, there are several modifications. :lol:

Sorry for to visit your forum, I think that internet is a free place. :rolleyes:

I don't insert any DCH in any box, and I no named Iconos. :nono: Maybe you know who named a detector with this brand... And other thing: never I had in my hands an Iconos for to test it...

Regards

Esteban

Geo

11-06-2008, 12:57 PM

No, I'm not associated, as always, and never I was associated with nobody in any businesses. Simple: I have the schematic, no more mistery. I ask you because seems you have as me. :lol: And the pistol I design isn't DCH in totallity, there are several modifications. :lol:
The heart of your pistol is a DCH.. Iconos is basically a DCH.
I open Iconos before 5 days and I reverse the pcb from Iconos just yesterday night.
So how you now that i have the schematic ????

Sorry for to visit your forum, I think that internet is a free place. :rolleyes:
For me remained honorary you to visit my forum, other me it bothers when somebodies inform you for that I make, and you now about him!!!

I don't insert any DCH in any box, and I no named Iconos. :nono: Maybe you know who is... And other thing: never I had in my hands an Iconos for to test it...
Ok. And how do you know that Iconos has not the TDA7000 and the other variants ???????, only from a schematic that somebody gave to you ?????

Regards

Esteban

Esteban, together knows what happening.
If you want to tell me something, tell it straight, no sides......
I don't like "associates" at any of my relations....., i like the people that speak Straight....

Regards:)

Esteban

11-06-2008, 01:37 PM

Esteban, together knows what happening.
If you want to tell me something, tell it straight, no sides......
I don't like "associates" at any of my relations....., i like the people that speak Straight....

Regards:)

Hi Geo,

Of course, I know that Iconos don't use TDA7000 because I have the schematic, but I'm not associated in business with anybody. God hear you, maybe some day I can gain many money selling such devices and extracting treasures! :) I'm a simple chief of text correctors of a newspaper and make extra works in another editorials and particular, I gain my life and of my family with this... :)

You post portion of schematic or variant, remember?, so I supossed that you have the schematic...

Yes, my pistol is variant or hearth of DCH, based on it.

Thanks for your words about that my presence on your forum is a honor!

Sorry for the troubles!

Regards

Esteban

Geo

11-06-2008, 02:15 PM

Hi Geo,

God hear you, maybe some day I can gain many money selling such devices and extracting treasures! :)
Really i wish it to you of my heart:)

I'm a simple chief of text correctors of a newspaper and make extra works in another editorials and particular, I gain my life and of my family with this... :)

Me also, i work very hard to gain my life..... . Maybe you know, ok i have money, but with very very hard work..... Now i work at the farm, you know.

You post portion of schematic or variant, remember?, so I supossed that you have the schematic...

Yes, my pistol is variant or hearth of DCH, based on it.

Thanks for your words about that my presence on your forum is a honor!

It will be pleasure for me, you to be member at our forum:)

Sorry for the troubles!

Regards

Esteban

I wish troubles to stop here

Regards:)

Esteban

11-06-2008, 06:14 PM

I wish troubles to stop here

Regards:)

Hi Geo

Many thanks! Keep the good work and very much good luck!!! :)

Regards

Esteban

Fred

11-07-2008, 12:03 AM

Esteban

11-08-2008, 06:19 PM

:lol:
Looks like government conversation : at the eyes of the public everything looks right.Or is that mafia? where important business prevails over personal ideas..
The same thing at the end...Cool.:razz:
What do you both do to get secret technology schematics?
Regards,
Fred.

Some of you prefer the mockery to the seriousness, then you obtain –and are going to obtain– which is deserved. You have not real interest on ideas.

Regards

Esteban

Fred

11-08-2008, 07:31 PM

Some of you prefer the mockery to the seriousness, then you obtain –and are going to obtain– which is deserved. You have not real interest on ideas.

Regards

Esteban
Hi Esteban,
You are wrong: this is precisely because i don´t see anything serious here that i end up with the fun.This is the only thing left.
I am not saying the subject of conversation is not serious, only that it is not seriously discussed here.Too much BS.
As i have said before, i am mainly interested in the "Effect" of LRL , probably as you are.As anyone else, you need help to progress,but you don´t want or cannot share enought :as a result you can´t obtain what you need.
Please reread your posts above and imagine how someone seriously involved would feel :rolleyes:
regards,
Fred.

Esteban

11-08-2008, 08:00 PM

Hi Esteban,
You are wrong: this is precisely because i don´t see anything serious here that i end up with the fun.This is the only thing left.
I am not saying the subject of conversation is not serious, only that it is not seriously discussed here.Too much BS.
As i have said before, i am mainly interested in the "Effect" of LRL , probably as you are.As anyone else, you need help to progress,but you don´t want or cannot share enought :as a result you can´t obtain what you need.
Please reread your posts above and imagine how someone seriously involved would feel :rolleyes:
regards,
Fred.

If in private forum you prefer the joke, in open will be worst! :razz:

I understand that most of you are not serious in this theme because are dragged by others. :shocked: :shocked:

Regards

Esteban

Fred

11-08-2008, 09:16 PM

If in private forum you prefer the joke, in open will be worst! :razz:

I understand that most of you are not serious in this theme because are dragged by others. :shocked: :shocked:

Regards

Esteban
I am dragged by nobody.Serious posts calls for serious answers, that´s all.;)
regards,
Fred.

Esteban

11-08-2008, 09:20 PM

I am dragged by nobody.Serious posts calls for serious answers, that´s all.;)
regards,
Fred.

When I made serious post... well you starts with jokes.

Fred

11-09-2008, 02:42 AM

When I made serious post... well you starts with jokes.
:nono: No Esteban, only when you post BS i answer with jokes.I am tired of misinformation and ridiculous "intrigues".
My interest is technical, i have no consideration for pseudo business and low level complots.
I have not seen any progress since you have began to post about LRL´s.
This is not an attack , only an observation, that is hope is positive : it is time to go forward.
Regards,
Fred.

Esteban

11-09-2008, 01:28 PM

:nono: No Esteban, only when you post BS i answer with jokes.I am tired of misinformation and ridiculous "intrigues".
My interest is technical, i have no consideration for pseudo business and low level complots.
I have not seen any progress since you have began to post about LRL´s.
This is not an attack , only an observation, that is hope is positive : it is time to go forward.
Regards,
Fred.

What is BS? Also when I post valuable info from experiences, you consider BS. So, you will obtain no much... If you applaud BS posted by other (see the private RS), mean you also post BS.

Well, I wait what you can talk and inform me about valuable info from your experience I can capitalize. If you don't have many info about a theme, well you can listen.

Regards

Esteban

Fred

11-09-2008, 08:02 PM

What is BS? Also when I post valuable info from experiences, you consider BS. So, you will obtain no much... If you applaud BS posted by other (see the private RS), mean you also post BS.

Well, I wait what you can talk and inform me about valuable info from your experience I can capitalize. If you don't have many info about a theme, well you can listen.

Regards

Esteban

BS is your posts with Geo.This is BS of the worst : it shows the interests behind this, and make me sick.After all, YOU say that the value is in the device , not in the treasure.
I have always read your technical info with interest (probably much more than many others), posted constructive comments about it, and never made fun of it.So why do you say i post BS?
When i applaud the joke you are making mention of, it is because i find it really funny, period.You need some sense of humour :it IS funny,and anyone that take offense is not very smart.We can work seriously but have fun sometimes.
BTW, i don´t understand why you say some documents are more valuable than others, because i have never seen any complete video of a working LRL.If morgan goes to the USA and search fields , it will be one more step forward the understanding of this subject, better than your pictures but not as good as a real double blind test (for example) that , after so many years,has aparently never been performed...
I am expecting nothing to receive,so i am sure i will not be desapointed.And i don´t think i am the one that need help to progress.
Regards,
Fred.

Esteban

11-09-2008, 10:53 PM

BS is your posts with Geo.This is BS of the worst : it shows the interests behind this, and make me sick.After all, YOU say that the value is in the device , not in the treasure.
I have always read your technical info with interest (probably much more than many others), posted constructive comments about it, and never made fun of it.So why do you say i post BS?
When i applaud the joke you are making mention of, it is because i find it really funny, period.You need some sense of humour :it IS funny,and anyone that take offense is not very smart.We can work seriously but have fun sometimes.
BTW, i don´t understand why you say some documents are more valuable than others, because i have never seen any complete video of a working LRL.If morgan goes to the USA and search fields , it will be one more step forward the understanding of this subject, better than your pictures but not as good as a real double blind test (for example) that , after so many years,has aparently never been performed...
I am expecting nothing to receive,so i am sure i will not be desapointed.And i don´t think i am the one that need help to progress.
Regards,
Fred.

What interest is behind it? From whom? What for?

Yes, a workable device is the treasure.

I receive many ofense during this years, so any joke when we're conducting serious discussions is not positive here... This is a BS for me... Maybe I'm a vicious of this forum, because no reason for to continue.

I post a complete link of a video, I post other link for to see in photographic sequence of detection at total recovering of the item, links in rapidshare. If you don't see, I can repost. Need time for to search in my CDs.

Of course, the day you make your film with Morgan, I'll emit criticism about his autenticity, so, I'll convert in the first skeptical, and I'll find the manner to contradict it!!! I have the tools!!! Because most of you believe I'm lying, so we will equal in the future when I take a skeptical posture...

Regards

Esteban

J_Player

11-10-2008, 04:08 AM

Hi Fred,
Is this what you are referring to as BS?
Of course, I know that Iconos don't use TDA7000 because I have the schematic, but I'm not associated in business with anybody. God hear you, maybe some day I can gain many money selling such devices and extracting treasures! I'm a simple chief of text correctors of a newspaper and make extra works in another editorials and particular, I gain my life and of my family with this...If this is BS because it does not help to show how LRLs can find treasure or not, then maybe Esteban is posting some BS. I guess it is interesting to learn what profession of some forum members choose to support themselves and their family, but it truly does not explain the technical aspects of treasure hunting machines.

Of course, I am also am a forum member who often makes posts that do not relate to the technical aspects of treasure hunting machines, So my posts are often BS the same as Esteban's are. The bottom line is many posts in this forum do not relate to technical aspects of treasure hunting equipment. So should Esteban or me be banned from posting this BS? I don't really know. I suppose it is up to the moderator of the forum. From what I have seen, he has been very liberal, and has only stepped in when there were serious complaints to be dealt with. In a way, I like his policy because it gives everyone a chance to say what's on their mind without worrying that there are certain things that are not allowed to be said. The result of this policy has produced the hottest remote sensing forum on the planet. All of the other LRL forums I have seen with highly restrictive posting rules have long since become stagnant or died.

I suppose your way of dealing with BS posts is probably the best way... You laugh and makes jokes about them. Since the BS posts are not serious posts about technical details, then your replies do not need to be serious either. But what about the people who are seriously interested in knowing the technical details of remote sensing instruments? They can still find the information they are interested in, but after sifting through the 20% to 50% BS that does not relate to technical details. It is the price we pay for freedom to be able to post what's on our mind.

For those who have a better understanding of what are the motives behind these non-technical BS posts, You will recognize that most of these posts are driven by a general desire to find out what the truth is. When we see extraordinary claims made, it generally leads to laughter and a sense of disbelief unless there is some credible explanation that can make these claims believable. Thus we see posts made by people who laugh at claims of finding treasure with a calculator glued to an antenna that never seems to work for anyone except the few who make the claim. We also see posts laughing at things that are offered as proof that would not be accepted in any court on the planet as proof.

But where does all the passion come from to make these "BS" posts? Maybe it starts when somebody spends thousands of dollars they cannot afford for a treasure machine that does not work. These people have real proof in their hands. They know for certain they did not find treasure in the same places that a cheap metal detector found treasure. If an unfortunate person with this predicament reads extraordinary claims in the forum, I would expect it may raise some sad memories and stimulate some passion. Thus, we see some posts that go beyond the general desire to learn the truth about the remote sensing instruments, and into the area of passionate distaste for people who make these claims without any proof except their word and a few photos.

What makes it all worse is the schematics that have been posted to build remote sensing instruments are usually incomplete, or when built as shown, they result in an electronic contraption that once again does not locate treasures at long range for the people who build them. Doesn't it seem strange that these LRLs only seem to work for the people who designed them, and urge everyone to believe they really work?

I have to make one concession to the LRL proponents. Morgan, who has built a number of remote sensing instruments that he claims work very well, will be taking his LRLs to some places in the USA where there are long-time buried artifacts that can be used to demonstrate in front of witnesses from this forum. This is something that no other LRL proponent has ever permitted to happen. My congratulations go to Morgan for his success with LRLs and for his faith in his machines and willingness to demonstrate them.

Best wishes,
J_P

Esteban

11-10-2008, 02:22 PM

Hi Fred,
Is this what you are referring to as BS?
If this is BS because it does not help to show how LRLs can find treasure or not, then maybe Esteban is posting some BS. I guess it is interesting to learn what profession of some forum members choose to support themselves and their family, but it truly does not explain the technical aspects of treasure hunting machines.

Of course, I am also am a forum member who often makes posts that do not relate to the technical aspects of treasure hunting machines, So my posts are often BS the same as Esteban's are. The bottom line is many posts in this forum do not relate to technical aspects of treasure hunting equipment. So should Esteban or me be banned from posting this BS? I don't really know. I suppose it is up to the moderator of the forum. From what I have seen, he has been very liberal, and has only stepped in when there were serious complaints to be dealt with. In a way, I like his policy because it gives everyone a chance to say what's on their mind without worrying that there are certain things that are not allowed to be said. The result of this policy has produced the hottest remote sensing forum on the planet. All of the other LRL forums I have seen with highly restrictive posting rules have long since become stagnant or died.

I suppose your way of dealing with BS posts is probably the best way... You laugh and makes jokes about them. Since the BS posts are not serious posts about technical details, then your replies do not need to be serious either. But what about the people who are seriously interested in knowing the technical details of remote sensing instruments? They can still find the information they are interested in, but after sifting through the 20% to 50% BS that does not relate to technical details. It is the price we pay for freedom to be able to post what's on our mind.

For those who have a better understanding of what are the motives behind these non-technical BS posts, You will recognize that most of these posts are driven by a general desire to find out what the truth is. When we see extraordinary claims made, it generally leads to laughter and a sense of disbelief unless there is some credible explanation that can make these claims believable. Thus we see posts made by people who laugh at claims of finding treasure with a calculator glued to an antenna that never seems to work for anyone except the few who make the claim. We also see posts laughing at things that are offered as proof that would not be accepted in any court on the planet as proof.

But where does all the passion come from to make these "BS" posts? Maybe it starts when somebody spends thousands of dollars they cannot afford for a treasure machine that does not work. These people have real proof in their hands. They know for certain they did not find treasure in the same places that a cheap metal detector found treasure. If an unfortunate person with this predicament reads extraordinary claims in the forum, I would expect it may raise some sad memories and stimulate some passion. Thus, we see some posts that go beyond the general desire to learn the truth about the remote sensing instruments, and into the area of passionate distaste for people who make these claims without any proof except their word and a few photos.

What makes it all worse is the schematics that have been posted to build remote sensing instruments are usually incomplete, or when built as shown, they result in an electronic contraption that once again does not locate treasures at long range for the people who build them. Doesn't it seem strange that these LRLs only seem to work for the people who designed them, and urge everyone to believe they really work?

I have to make one concession to the LRL proponents. Morgan, who has built a number of remote sensing instruments that he claims work very well, will be taking his LRLs to some places in the USA where there are long-time buried artifacts that can be used to demonstrate in front of witnesses from this forum. This is something that no other LRL proponent has ever permitted to happen. My congratulations go to Morgan for his success with LRLs and for his faith in his machines and willingness to demonstrate them.

Best wishes,
J_P

You don't understand. Simple: I explain that my support is not origin in selling such devices as supossed for some...

And you believe your post are entire technicals?

When I start contradict you, you enerve causes it (private forum). You can be a good engineer, but as you can't find literature about it, is good to pay attention by folk has made 1,000 experiments, no just extracting items.

Maybe my English is very bad, so, some things can be obscure when I try to explain some of them.

BS posts demmands BS reply. If somebody respond me with BS, thus, I'll respond to this person with BS. The same law for all.

Regards

Esteban

Fred

11-10-2008, 03:34 PM

I receive many ofense during this years,
?? Not from me...
I post a complete link of a video, I post other link for to see in photographic sequence of detection at total recovering of the item, links in rapidshare. If you don't see, I can repost.
Could not find them making a search in rapidshare...
Of course, the day you make your film with Morgan, I'll emit criticism about his autenticity, so, I'll convert in the first skeptical, and I'll find the manner to contradict it!!! I have the tools!!! Because most of you believe I'm lying, so we will equal in the future when I take a skeptical posture...,
Really? i always thought you are a positive and smart man...

Qiaozhi

11-10-2008, 05:06 PM

Hi Esteban,

I don't think you are lying, in the same way that I don't think most dowsers are lying. However, unlike dowsing, there is no connection between your PDs and the ideomotor effect. Which is why I am interested in your experiments. Also I don't believe you have any commercial business related to LRLs, otherwise your credibility with me would be much lower.

Keep doing the experiments and posting the results. Although I would be most interested in any double-blind test you could perform. This would provide the definitive answer, as it rules out both conscious and unconscious contamination of the results by the user. You really should do this test, if only for your own interest. The only reason you would not want to do the double-blind test, is if you were afraid of the answer. ;)

Esteban

11-10-2008, 06:20 PM

Esteban

11-10-2008, 06:35 PM

Esteban

11-10-2008, 07:27 PM

Read on private RS.

Esteban

11-10-2008, 08:09 PM

Hi Fred,
Is this what you are referring to as BS?
If this is BS because it does not help to show how LRLs can find treasure or not, then maybe Esteban is posting some BS. I guess it is interesting to learn what profession of some forum members choose to support themselves and their family, but it truly does not explain the technical aspects of treasure hunting machines.

Of course, I am also am a forum member who often makes posts that do not relate to the technical aspects of treasure hunting machines, So my posts are often BS the same as Esteban's are. The bottom line is many posts in this forum do not relate to technical aspects of treasure hunting equipment. So should Esteban or me be banned from posting this BS? I don't really know. I suppose it is up to the moderator of the forum. From what I have seen, he has been very liberal, and has only stepped in when there were serious complaints to be dealt with. In a way, I like his policy because it gives everyone a chance to say what's on their mind without worrying that there are certain things that are not allowed to be said. The result of this policy has produced the hottest remote sensing forum on the planet. All of the other LRL forums I have seen with highly restrictive posting rules have long since become stagnant or died.

I suppose your way of dealing with BS posts is probably the best way... You laugh and makes jokes about them. Since the BS posts are not serious posts about technical details, then your replies do not need to be serious either. But what about the people who are seriously interested in knowing the technical details of remote sensing instruments? They can still find the information they are interested in, but after sifting through the 20% to 50% BS that does not relate to technical details. It is the price we pay for freedom to be able to post what's on our mind.

For those who have a better understanding of what are the motives behind these non-technical BS posts, You will recognize that most of these posts are driven by a general desire to find out what the truth is. When we see extraordinary claims made, it generally leads to laughter and a sense of disbelief unless there is some credible explanation that can make these claims believable. Thus we see posts made by people who laugh at claims of finding treasure with a calculator glued to an antenna that never seems to work for anyone except the few who make the claim. We also see posts laughing at things that are offered as proof that would not be accepted in any court on the planet as proof.

But where does all the passion come from to make these "BS" posts? Maybe it starts when somebody spends thousands of dollars they cannot afford for a treasure machine that does not work. These people have real proof in their hands. They know for certain they did not find treasure in the same places that a cheap metal detector found treasure. If an unfortunate person with this predicament reads extraordinary claims in the forum, I would expect it may raise some sad memories and stimulate some passion. Thus, we see some posts that go beyond the general desire to learn the truth about the remote sensing instruments, and into the area of passionate distaste for people who make these claims without any proof except their word and a few photos.

What makes it all worse is the schematics that have been posted to build remote sensing instruments are usually incomplete, or when built as shown, they result in an electronic contraption that once again does not locate treasures at long range for the people who build them. Doesn't it seem strange that these LRLs only seem to work for the people who designed them, and urge everyone to believe they really work?

I have to make one concession to the LRL proponents. Morgan, who has built a number of remote sensing instruments that he claims work very well, will be taking his LRLs to some places in the USA where there are long-time buried artifacts that can be used to demonstrate in front of witnesses from this forum. This is something that no other LRL proponent has ever permitted to happen. My congratulations go to Morgan for his success with LRLs and for his faith in his machines and willingness to demonstrate them.

Best wishes,
J_P

Yes, is strange that Morgan, I and many other persons wich uses it found treasures... Congratulations go to the users!

Qiaozhi

11-10-2008, 11:58 PM

Qiaozhi, thanks by the "sincericide". Now is low, but can be much lower! :lol:
Yes - very funny! :lol:
But that wasn't how it was meant to be taken. ;)

Esteban

11-12-2008, 07:41 PM

?? Not from me...

Could not find them making a search in rapidshare...

Really? i always thought you are a positive and smart man...

Of course... In rapidshare a file can be stay 45 days in the site, except you pay for it. Music is another history. High demmand and many downloads means that the file can stay in site many days. The permanency of a file in this site deppend by the demmand in downloads (free mode), this is at more downloads, the file can stay many days, include a year.

Read:

Originally Posted by Esteban http://www.thunting.com/geotech/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.thunting.com/geotech/forums/showthread.php?p=81436#post81436)
I post a complete link of a video, I post other link for to see in photographic sequence of detection at total recovering of the item, links in rapidshare. If you don't see, I can repost.

Regards

Esteban

Hi Fred, hi all

Here the links with 2 sequences. This was maybe 2 years ago.

http://rapidshare.com/files/163120509/RING_-_RESIZES.zip.html

http://rapidshare.com/files/163122114/PIN_GOLD_PLATTED_-_RESIZES.zip.html

Select free user, wait the counter finish (maybe 45 seconds for pics) and download.

Video from you tube. You can see here how the plastic rod is used in a kind of electrostatic device, also used for to measure depth.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EJI5cvAKug (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EJI5cvAKug)

Regards

Esteban

Fred

11-12-2008, 09:47 PM

[quote=Esteban;81457]
Hi Fred, hi all
Here the links with 2 sequences. This was maybe 2 years ago.
Regards

Esteban
Hi Esteban,

Thank you for the files.
Don´t take me wrong , but i am not too entusiastic :
-The pictures are OK, but don´t show how the device work.
-The mineoro´s movie is obviously a fake.It would definitively dissuade me of buying such a detector, and anything from them, if it ever had this intention .
The beeping is not real, does not correspond to the movements of the operator, and worst , we can clearly see the grass has been carefully cut and put back on place before digging it again.

I would like to see a movie from you detecting something you didn´t dig out before, in an unexplored land.Don´t need to be a treasure :D
regards,
Fred.

hung

11-12-2008, 11:07 PM

With a video compressed as hell you were able to spot the 'grass cut'?!:razz:

Congratulations. You might be recruited to work at anti-terrorist secret services.:lol:

Fred

11-13-2008, 01:56 AM

With a video compressed as hell you were able to spot the 'grass cut'?!:razz:

Congratulations. You might be recruited to work at anti-terrorist secret services.:lol:

Pretty obvious. i didn´t even needed to replay the video.
Are you the voice in the video?
Fred.

Morgan

11-13-2008, 12:57 PM

With a video compressed as hell you were able to spot the 'grass cut'?!:razz:

Congratulations. You might be recruited to work at anti-terrorist secret services.:lol:
I was in Brazil twice,in Garopaba Mineoro...
I saw some of this demonstrations,realy become confused...
With Mineoro until now i dont get good results,but wath i know for some friends, device works with treasures,not small gold objects.
This filme with mineoro working,its obvious a fake,just to explain how device works with buried gold.

Esteban

11-13-2008, 02:31 PM

[quote=Esteban;81510]
Hi Esteban,

Thank you for the files.
Don´t take me wrong , but i am not too entusiastic :
-The pictures are OK, but don´t show how the device work.
-The mineoro´s movie is obviously a fake.It would definitively dissuade me of buying such a detector, and anything from them, if it ever had this intention .
The beeping is not real, does not correspond to the movements of the operator, and worst , we can clearly see the grass has been carefully cut and put back on place before digging it again.

I would like to see a movie from you detecting something you didn´t dig out before, in an unexplored land.Don´t need to be a treasure :D
regards,
Fred.

Hi Fred

I have the flv files I have downloaded. You need a program called flv player, free on internet, or other program that can show flv files. The beeping correspond to movement of operator, detection from distance is some critic sometimes, is in an only point, so when you move pistol appears not correspond. As you can see, on the target location it beeps correspond more. You can see how works the pistol.

This is not planted target. What stupid for to "plant" next to the concrete... :lol:

Any elegant well pasture is cuted occasionally... not theme of discusion here.

I post this because the people said that don't exist film or movie showing how works electronic LRL. Well, can exists conjetures about it... but here is!

Also I post the film made by Morgan with pistol in action.

The finds in sequences of pics are reals, maybe don't show how works pistol.

Next time I'll make a film, but is difficut to convince in any way!

Read the thread In Mexico (RS private), any in USA with real interest can contact for to see and for to film. This is easier than to travel to the United States fo to show it exclusively. Is easier than a person in USA move to Mexico than a person in South America move to USA. And you can save your pocket (US$ 25,000).

Regards

Esteban

Esteban

11-13-2008, 02:35 PM

I was in Brazil twice,in Garopaba Mineoro...
I saw some of this demonstrations,realy become confused...
With Mineoro until now i dont get good results,but wath i know for some friends, device works with treasures,not small gold objects.
This filme with mineoro working,its obvious a fake,just to explain how device works with buried gold.

Yes, your friend found a treasure with it...

Regards

Esteban

Fred

11-13-2008, 02:47 PM

Esteban

11-13-2008, 03:50 PM

Hi Esteban,
You will loose your credibility by defending such a video...it may represent the truth (tecnhically speaking), but it is not the real thing.We can "feel" it immediatly,but if you want evidences they are easy to see, but long to explain.
The more obvious about beeping is the lack of voices and ambiant noise (like the strong wind) , but very clear and loud beeping from a devince pointing away from the camera.:rolleyes:
So as i said, it is not a real video, and not from you...
Regards,
Fred.

Hi Fred

Is a real video and not the real format. Yesterday, I convert a video with a X program and suffers alteration in video and audio by the converter. Evident, the flv format is not the real. By the mark in starts of film appears as VHS and converted in another format. So, original VHS was converted to mpg or mpge or avi and later in flv compressed files or directly in flv.

Also I found items with the old discontinued 205.

The most don't believe in any theme about electronic LRL, so, I can't loose credibility. :rolleyes:

Read this text

que tal migue que modelo de mineoro tienes yo tengo el 210PDC es un poco atrasado pero buen detector aunquye dejame decirte que no tienen el alcance que dicen los fabricantes almenos que te vallas al decierto o la montaña no se copmo lo estes usando pero si quieres contactarme y decirme que modelo tienes y vemos en que te puedo orientar sale que stes bien y un saludo a todos en el foro

How do you do Migue? Wich model of Mineoro do you have? I have the 210PDC (PDC 210), is some old, but good. Leave me explain that doesn't have the distance said by the constructors, except in zone of deserts of mountains. Don't know how you use it, but if you want contact me and tell me wich model do you have, I'll see in what I can help you. Wishes you'll be fine and regards to all in forum.

Read in the thread (in Spanish)

Tengo un detector Mineoro deseo compartir experiencias.

http://groups.msn.com/buscadoresdetesoros/general.msnw?action=get_message&mview=0&ID_Message=14631&LastModified=4675690865786321334

Regards

Esteban

Fred

11-13-2008, 08:36 PM

Hi Fred

Is a real video and not the real format.

The most don't believe in any theme about electronic LRL, so, I can't loose credibility. :rolleyes:
Esteban
Esteban,
I am not talking about the format, but about the content.You know what i mean...And some don´t believe in LRL but believe in you :D...
Fred.

Qiaozhi

11-13-2008, 11:01 PM

Hi Fred

Is a real video and not the real format. Yesterday, I convert a video with a X program and suffers alteration in video and audio by the converter. Evident, the flv format is not the real. By the mark in starts of film appears as VHS and converted in another format. So, original VHS was converted to mpg or mpge or avi and later in flv compressed files or directly in flv.
Maybe you could make a new video, and don't try to convert to another format. Then there won't be any dispute about the picture and sound being out of sync, or even altered. :ninja:

Esteban

11-14-2008, 01:19 PM

Esteban,
I am not talking about the format, but about the content.You know what i mean...And some don´t believe in LRL but believe in you :D...
Fred.

Very strange! :lol:

PanZero

05-09-2009, 11:41 AM

Hi Morgan,
can I use copper tube instead of aluminium, as big antenna?

Morgan

05-09-2009, 02:28 PM

Hi Morgan,
can I use copper tube instead of aluminium, as big antenna?
Yes,and no need so big size,better more small square antenna.

PanZero

05-09-2009, 06:24 PM

Yes,and no need so big size,better more small square antenna.

Thanks!! ;)

Geo

05-15-2009, 06:22 AM

J_Player

05-15-2009, 06:43 AM

Geo

05-15-2009, 11:21 AM

Try this...
Sift every bucket of soil that you excavate through a screen.
When you find the treasure, then you will know where the center is.

(Actually, there are probably other effects of the phenomenon that you can use to find the center. The strategy used by some treasure hunters is to use the LRL to find a general location, then use another instrument to find the center. The other instrument may be anything from a conventional metal detector to additional appliances that are added to the LRL for pinpointing purposes. I will try to describe this in more detail when I make my post about "long time buried metals". Maybe other LRL experimenters will explain their methods for pinpointing to help with this question).

Best wishes,
J_P

Hi J_P:)
Yes it is common strategy to use the LRL to find a general location and then to use another instrument to find the center, but in my case the PD don't locate the signal from long distance:frown:. There is a square 3 or 4 meters where it gives some random beeps when i move the PD.
Today i will try again it.
Regards :):)

Theseus

05-15-2009, 01:34 PM

Try this...
The strategy used by some treasure hunters is to use the LRL to find a general location, then use another instrument to find the center. The other instrument may be anything from a conventional metal detector to additional appliances that are added to the LRL for pinpointing purposes.

Best wishes,
J_P

Generally, they use metal detectors, but their kit could include anything in the way of "conventional instrumentation" including ordinary probe rods. In most instances, the area being covered has two important attributes. 1) it could be hundreds of square feet in size, and 2) it is always in known target producing areas. Naturally, the "conventional" search is carried out until some sort of target is unearthed that "might" qualify as the target that the LRL indicated or was drawn to.

Once "a" target is found, the anecdotal accounting of the entire process lends total credit to the LRL, and there is no mention of the other instrumentation that was utilized to actually make the find.

This is exactly why any formal testing of an LRL instrument is ONLY valid when it is tested in a d-b protocol and totally without the aid of any other type of locating instrumentation or procedures. Any other testing protocol is a purely a waste of time and energy.

Max

05-15-2009, 04:18 PM

Hi J_P:)
Yes it is common strategy to use the LRL to find a general location and then to use another instrument to find the center, but in my case the PD don't locate the signal from long distance:frown:. There is a square 3 or 4 meters where it gives some random beeps when i move the PD.
Today i will try again it.
Regards :):)

Hi,
uhm...ok... power lines at at least 300meters, fine.
What about other noise surces ? Maybe you don't know about them.

Let me explain.... if you have an e.g. pipeline under your feet you can have noise too...

Why ? Often pipelines (buried in soil) have wires around that are employed for diagnostic of faults... for corrosion prevention (e.g. some uses direct currents to polarize the pipes) etc

Are you sure you're not above a pipeline ?

You maybe be surprised that you get signals just in a 3x3 or 4x4 meters area... but must know sometimes there are reliefs in that buried structures like inspection or commutation chambers etc above the usual level of pipeline, but always buried.:rolleyes:

Kind regards,
Max

Morgan

05-15-2009, 11:18 PM

Hi.
Yesterday i made some tests with my PD only for lrl. I found a place where i take random beeps. This place is about 3x3 m or 4x4m. Beeps are not continued so i cant understand where is the center of the object (if it is something buried:lol:). Also when i take 2 or 3 beeps then it stop to beep. I go a little behind and again front and i take again the beeps. There is not any electric power line near 300m. So can anyone to tell me how i will find the center of the object or this PD work as this. Also maybe to be something else phenomenon that i dont know
Regards:)
First of all,you should mark the place N,S,E,W just to see dimention of this electromagnetic field. If you search from South,you are more near the taget becouse Energy project more long to Nort.
Enter with PD inside the E. field,with only Omega working ,search near the ground,but if not find nothing you should try Powerfull MD,thats for sure you will find the target who cause PD signals .

Fred

05-15-2009, 11:27 PM

... If you search from South,you are more near the taget becouse Energy project more long to Nort.
This is intersting Morgan, did you notice this many (every?) times and can you tell how important is this effect ? i mean how many % more detection range to North?
regards,
Fred.

Morgan

05-15-2009, 11:42 PM

Morgan

05-15-2009, 11:55 PM

This is intersting Morgan, did you notice this many (every?) times and can you tell how important is this effect ? i mean how many % more detection range to North?
regards,
Fred.
The Pistoldetektor,if very well tuned with Ferrite,acts as a COMPASS if you put coil pointed to ground(1 m above). If you search during the nigth and do this procedure,you will note that the GREEN LED will become more powerfull full of ligth when turn PD to NORTH or to SOUTH direction,so it act as a compass,becouse the Ferrite interfere with the Electromagnetic field of this Planet,thats what i think...
About some coins and objects i have found at 4m distance(same as Geo) it as energy projected 3m to North and 1m to South. This projections can happens in eliptical shape,or rectangle. In very tiny objects can be just one line ...

Esteban

05-16-2009, 01:36 AM

The Pistoldetektor,if very well tuned with Ferrite,acts as a COMPASS if you put coil pointed to ground(1 m above). If you search during the nigth and do this procedure,you will note that the GREEN LED will become more powerfull full of ligth when turn PD to NORTH or to SOUTH direction,so it act as a compass,becouse the Ferrite interfere with the Electromagnetic field of this Planet,thats what i think...
About some coins and objects i have found at 4m distance(same as Geo) it as energy projected 3m to North and 1m to South. This projections can happens in eliptical shape,or rectangle. In very tiny objects can be just one line ...

Time ago, I sent a pic of this eliptical shape figure. There are a null point (for small targets). This was product of investigations IN THE REAL FIELD!

Geo

05-16-2009, 06:22 AM

Hi,
uhm...ok... power lines at at least 300meters, fine.
What about other noise surces ? Maybe you don't know about them.

Let me explain.... if you have an e.g. pipeline under your feet you can have noise too...

Why ? Often pipelines (buried in soil) have wires around that are employed for diagnostic of faults... for corrosion prevention (e.g. some uses direct currents to polarize the pipes) etc

Are you sure you're not above a pipeline ?

You maybe be surprised that you get signals just in a 3x3 or 4x4 meters area... but must know sometimes there are reliefs in that buried structures like inspection or commutation chambers etc above the usual level of pipeline, but always buried.:rolleyes:

Kind regards,
Max

Hi Max.
The place is a small farm and there is not something like pipes or any similar. I know it because i am the owner. If it was noise then it must beep every time that i move the PD, but it beeps not continuesly, after a beep or 2...3 beeps i must go a little back and again front to hear again the beep. Anyway, it is not a clear signal as at Esteban video.

Regards:)

Geo

05-16-2009, 06:30 AM

Hi Geo

You cant get more than 3 or 4m distance in a single coin with PD,so you can forget the possibility of buried treasure in this place.
It can be also a piece of silverpaper,or a gold ring,who knows ?...

Hi Morgan:)

Today i will take a compass with me to see exactly the magnetic horizons. At my PD the Omega don't work so i will try with another MD. At the farm there are a lot of copper, aluminium or iron buried objects so maybe one of them to generate the beeps.
I will see

regards:)

Geo

05-16-2009, 06:32 AM

Time ago, I sent a pic of this eliptical shape figure. There are a null point (for small targets). This was product of investigations IN THE REAL FIELD!

Hi Esteban.
I remember it and thanks
Regards:)

Geo

05-16-2009, 06:49 AM

Yesterday i test the PD some times.
First i went to a place that we have buried about 200 archeologic copper coins from 1991!!!!!. PD no Beep, noone beep:angry:
Then i went at the place where it beep at a square of 3...4 m as i wrote one day before. It beep again the same. I retuned the input at 72 Khz and the PD had a very good senesitivity. From north to south it gave me a continued beeps. I went about 50m far and the PD gave me the beeps at the same direction. Maybe it was very sensitive to earth magnetic field.
Half hour before the night, i went again. :angry::angry::angry: no one beep. I retuned it between 58 and 82 Khz but nothing. Maybe at night i lose the phenomenon, maybe something else..... who knows

Ohhh.... J_P come with the JCB to dig all the farm:lol::lol: it is the only way to understand what the PD locate????
Regards:):)

Geo

05-16-2009, 07:01 AM

My PD :):)

Max

05-16-2009, 01:36 PM

Hi Morgan:)

Today i will take a compass with me to see exactly the magnetic horizons. At my PD the Omega don't work so i will try with another MD. At the farm there are a lot of copper, aluminium or iron buried objects so maybe one of them to generate the beeps.
I will see

regards:)

Hi Geo,
what do you mean for "omega don't work" ? is the omega circuit always off ?

Kind regards,
Max

hung

05-16-2009, 01:44 PM

Half hour before the night, i went again. :angry::angry::angry: no one beep. I retuned it between 58 and 82 Khz but nothing. Maybe at night i lose the phenomenon, maybe something else..... who knows

Due to the greater amount of VLF emissions at night and depending on the frequency your PD is working, these particular emissions can act as an enhancer for the target or add 'noise' and scramble the detection.

The FG80 for instance works much, much better at night than during the day.
Also the ferrite alone will not allow you to pinpoint the target.
My 2 cents.

Max

05-16-2009, 02:11 PM

Due to the greater amount of VLF emissions at night and depending on the frequency your PD is working, these particular emissions can act as an enhancer for the target or add 'noise' and scramble the detection.

The FG80 for instance works much, much better at night than during the day.
Also the ferrite alone will not allow you to pinpoint the target.
My 2 cents.

Hi Hung,
from when the FG80 works ? :lol:

Uhm... Hung I don't understand your words about VLF emissions... cause we are talking here of an electrostatic phenomenon , or not ?

How the hell the electrostatic phenomenon is/will be affected by some vlf emission ??? I don't understand.

But maybe you DEBUNKERED physics and we don't know... :razz:

Kind regards,
Max

Qiaozhi

05-16-2009, 05:02 PM

hung

05-16-2009, 07:15 PM

You and the 'Max Brothers' have already been debunkered many times. No more holes to hide?:lol:
Well... It used to be more fun to me in the past...
Your comedy got old. I feel bored now.:rolleyes:

Max

05-16-2009, 08:01 PM

You and the 'Max Brothers' have already been debunkered many times. No more holes to hide?:lol:
Well... It used to be more fun to me in the past...
Your comedy got old. I feel bored now.:rolleyes:

Hi,
uhm... you lost your sense of humor... maybe is the cause of your debunkering-LRL ! Tell the truth ,your only working and debunkering LRL is like in the picture! :lol:

Only way to find something.... unless you consider use dynamite instead! :D

Kind regards,
Max

Fred

05-16-2009, 08:18 PM

Your comedy got old. I feel bored now.:rolleyes:
Well at least you can call this a comedy, i don´t know how to call what you are doing ... I guess we all are getting bored by this, maybe it is time to move on about LRL stuff

detectoman

05-16-2009, 10:23 PM

Qiaozhi

05-16-2009, 11:34 PM

Did I miss the debunkering? :shrug:

You and the 'Max Brothers' have already been debunkered many times. No more holes to hide?:lol:
Well... It used to be more fun to me in the past...
Your comedy got old. I feel bored now.:rolleyes:
Can you do some more debunkering?

But this time let us know first, so that we don't blink ... and miss it. :rolleyes:

Fred

05-17-2009, 01:50 AM

Can you do some more debunkering?
But this time let us know first, so that we don't blink ... and miss it. :rolleyes:
Yes please Hung, just recently you said debunkering will begin, now it´s already over :frown:

Geo

05-17-2009, 05:35 AM

Hi Geo,
what do you mean for "omega don't work" ? is the omega circuit always off ?

Kind regards,
Max

Hi Max.
Yes, omega is off!! I work with the passive receiver a little modificated, and for ferrite i use a 20cm coil as on photo. It is more more sensitive.
Regards:)

Geo

05-17-2009, 05:46 AM

Due to the greater amount of VLF emissions at night and depending on the frequency your PD is working, these particular emissions can act as an enhancer for the target or add 'noise' and scramble the detection.

The FG80 for instance works much, much better at night than during the day.
Also the ferrite alone will not allow you to pinpoint the target.
My 2 cents.

Hi Hung.
Long time to "speak " with you. How are you????
As i wrote to Max, i use only a round coil, no ferrite. I connect the coil via a 5 pole connector, so when i finish the test i unconnect the coil and i put a 25cm ferrite with coil on it and i try again. But generally the round coil is more sensitive at sparks, radio frequencies and the emission of power lines. Ferrite is tuned at 62KHZ and the round coil at 58 to 82 via a variable capacitor.
Yesterday i had not time to check it again, maybe today
Regards:)

Geo

05-17-2009, 05:49 AM

geo; the pd only work easy for detect large objetives, when is in dual and critic operation balance, ( omega and ferrites ), then is majory directional, but whit alone ferrites is how am radio, is affected most for field north south of ground
put you ferrites slide adjust then you push and see when

Hi. I made the tests that you say before long time (when we was on the RS forum) but without results. Does your PD works as LRL????
Regards:)

J_Player

05-17-2009, 08:03 AM

J_Player

05-17-2009, 08:21 AM

Can you do some more debunkering?
But this time let us know first, so that we don't blink ... and miss it. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Fred
Yes please Hung, just recently you said debunkering will begin, now it´s already over :frown:
I am not sure what "debunkering" is, but I decided to rebunker every bunker that hung debunkers. Maybe some day I will find a place that is debunkered and photograph it for all to see hung's handiwork. But I get the feeling that this is just hung BS -- Probably there are no bunkers or debunkering. :eek:

Best wishes,
J_P

Rebunkering all that has been debunkered

Max

05-17-2009, 02:12 PM

Hi Max.
Yes, omega is off!! I work with the passive receiver a little modificated, and for ferrite i use a 20cm coil as on photo. It is more more sensitive.
Regards:)

Hi,
I see, so you had some beeps with just passive receiver. The 20cm you mean for ferrite, or you mean the diameter of round coil in this picture ?

It's interesting that you get beeps at same place, in same small area of few square meters, have you checked with a conventional MD, e.g. a Deltapulse or something there ?

Kind regards,
Max

Geo

05-17-2009, 03:05 PM

Hi Max.
20 cm is the diameter of the round coil. I checked the place before time (several months before try the PD ) with MD and there are a lot of not useful objects. Morgan said that this PD can locate only no ferrous objects (if i remember good), so i believe that PD dont locate those iron objects, nails etc. But my problem is other..... at PD videos by Morgan we see a continued beep when he locate the target and the PD is at the same direction with the target. I can't do my pD to work the same!!!!
Regards:)

Qiaozhi

05-17-2009, 05:04 PM

... i use only a round coil, no ferrite. I connect the coil via a 5 pole connector, so when i finish the test i unconnect the coil and i put a 25cm ferrite with coil on it and i try again. But generally the round coil is more sensitive at sparks, radio frequencies and the emission of power lines. Ferrite is tuned at 62KHZ and the round coil at 58 to 82 via a variable capacitor.
Yesterday i had not time to check it again, maybe today
Regards:)

But my problem is other..... at PD videos by Morgan we see a continued beep when he locate the target and the PD is at the same direction with the target. I can't do my pD to work the same!!!!
Regards:)

If your PD is constructed so that you can swap over the omega and ferrite coils, then it is not the same as Morgan's PD. So is it any wonder that it does react the same way?

There's no point comparing your results with Hung's video. We have already seen that it is fake.

Max

05-17-2009, 06:41 PM

If your PD is constructed so that you can swap over the omega and ferrite coils, then it is not the same as Morgan's PD. So is it any wonder that it does react the same way?

There's no point comparing your results with Hung's video. We have already seen that it is fake.

Hi,
yes, I do not understand how the round coil and ferrite could be swapped unless they are different from previous design.

Geo, you wrote that the beeps are from the passive receiver only: I guess that you made two resonant tanks, one with ferrite coil+fixed capacitor, the other with a round coil+a variable capacitor (let you tune from 58 to 82 as I read), that last one is actually an air-core loop antenna + variable cap.

Then you connect one of these at passive receiver, when omega circuit is off.

Is that right ? :D

Kind regards,
Max

humhum

05-17-2009, 09:31 PM

Hi Geo, send (try , test) video from your Passive Receiver when it beeps.

Morgan

05-17-2009, 09:45 PM

hung

05-18-2009, 12:24 AM

Hi Hung.
Long time to "speak " with you. How are you????
As i wrote to Max, i use only a round coil, no ferrite. I connect the coil via a 5 pole connector, so when i finish the test i unconnect the coil and i put a 25cm ferrite with coil on it and i try again. But generally the round coil is more sensitive at sparks, radio frequencies and the emission of power lines. Ferrite is tuned at 62KHZ and the round coil at 58 to 82 via a variable capacitor.
Yesterday i had not time to check it again, maybe today
Regards:)

Good evening Geo.

You will need the ferrite to set perpendicular nulls between both coils for longitudinal detection. The air loop naturally is more sensitive but alone it's not able to give directivity to detection in the close nearfield area due to figure of eight pattern and multipattern ambiguity when at close range. You need to set both coils as in Alonso's original.

If you also set correctly the LRC balance (important) you should have a behavior of your PD similar to what I got in my video.
Good luck.
Must sleep now.

detectoman

05-18-2009, 11:23 AM

hello geo,:lol: in theory my pd work ok, this detect 1.5 v, spark to 35 cms and ring to 28 ( have one coi ofl 9 cms ) i cant try in field, due my sample buried of gold is very recently, :frown: and other lot of coins too recently, and i'm in others experiment whit this pd, for other modifications and for the circuit simplification, and add other things
i put all parts pd whit movement, the adjust of coil rx, too ferrites whit slider, so i can see this is in dual function, i too think, the pd only is direccional whit dual operation, and ferrites have direcction due to natural magnetism horizontal lines
i think so you, only whit pasive reciver' cir.5 and coil this have near field round around omnidirectional whit very imprecise detection
you need directional for easy detection:lol:
for medium range you need other circuits suport
best whises
detectoman
Hi. I made the tests that you say before long time (when we was on the RS forum) but without results. Does your PD works as LRL????
Regards:)

Geo

05-19-2009, 02:32 PM

Geo

05-19-2009, 02:36 PM

Hi,
yes, I do not understand how the round coil and ferrite could be swapped unless they are different from previous design.

Geo, you wrote that the beeps are from the passive receiver only: I guess that you made two resonant tanks, one with ferrite coil+fixed capacitor, the other with a round coil+a variable capacitor (let you tune from 58 to 82 as I read), that last one is actually an air-core loop antenna + variable cap.

Then you connect one of these at passive receiver, when omega circuit is off.

Is that right ? :D

Kind regards,
Max

Hi Max.
You are right. I work with the round coil and sometimes i unconnect it and i connect the ferrite with fixed capacitor and coil (fixed tuned at 62Khz).
There is not Omega coil.
Regards:)

Geo

05-19-2009, 02:41 PM

Of course you cant get the same results with your PD . You are using completly diferent PD from Alonso !!!

I want to compare my "results" (random beeps) with yours. Of course they are different detectors.

Geo

05-19-2009, 02:50 PM

Good evening Geo.

You will need the ferrite to set perpendicular nulls between both coils for longitudinal detection. The air loop naturally is more sensitive but alone it's not able to give directivity to detection in the close nearfield area due to figure of eight pattern and multipattern ambiguity when at close range. You need to set both coils as in Alonso's original.

If you also set correctly the LRC balance (important) you should have a behavior of your PD similar to what I got in my video.
Good luck.
Must sleep now.

Hello Hung.
Thanks for your help about PD, but i am very tired with the Omega coils so i can't try it again :(. When we was in RS i made a lot o coils and i made a lot of tests so now i can't other:(. I had not luck, to make it to work.

Regards:)

Geo

05-19-2009, 02:55 PM

hello geo,:lol: in theory my pd work ok, this detect 1.5 v, spark to 35 cms and ring to 28 ( have one coi ofl 9 cms ) i cant try in field, due my sample buried of gold is very recently, :frown: and other lot of coins too recently, and i'm in others experiment whit this pd, for other modifications and for the circuit simplification, and add other things
i put all parts pd whit movement, the adjust of coil rx, too ferrites whit slider, so i can see this is in dual function, i too think, the pd only is direccional whit dual operation, and ferrites have direcction due to natural magnetism horizontal lines
i think so you, only whit pasive reciver' cir.5 and coil this have near field round around omnidirectional whit very imprecise detection
you need directional for easy detection:lol:
for medium range you need other circuits suport
best whises

detectoman

Hi, in theory my PD works better because it detects the 1.5v spark at 60cm very easy..... sometimes at 70cm. If it says anything :lol:
But all the discussion is if it work as LRL or not, and not if detect a ring or a spark.

Regards:)

Qiaozhi

05-19-2009, 03:14 PM

Hi. I never said that i can compare the results of my PD with Hung's video. I have some random beeps at a place and i want to learn if there is anything. I don't believe that there is not other way (if there is) for LRL except Alonso PD.
Regards:)
I assumed you were making a comparison with Hung's faked video, as your post was directed at him. Now I understand that you have the same random beeps as all the other PD cloners. Morgan seems to be the only one with some real success. Of course, it helps when you have the original to compare.

hung

05-19-2009, 03:48 PM

Hi, in theory my PD works better because it detects the 1.5v spark at 60cm very easy..... sometimes at 70cm. If it says anything :lol:

Geo, just because it detects the sparks does not mean it will detect the gold. The frequencies are different.
The spark detection just shows you it's sensitive to that kind of 'emanation' but may not pick the long time buried gold's or will only at a very close range.

The only reason why the PD has the omega is to pinpoint the target because the emanation field has a void in close range and it's not well detectable after some point. With adjustments in balance you can get the omega magnetic field to be 'stretched' and pick fresh objects from about a meter as I did.

Fred

05-19-2009, 04:20 PM

Geo, just because it detects the sparks does not mean it will detect the gold. The frequencies are different.
Hung , in my country all sparks are normalized to 63khz, is this OK ?

Qiaozhi

05-19-2009, 04:53 PM

The only reason why the PD has the omega is to pinpoint the target because the emanation field has a void in close range and it's not well detectable after some point. With adjustments in balance you can get the omega magnetic field to be 'stretched' and pick fresh objects from about a meter as I did.
Actually the real answer is that the ferrite circuit fools the operator into following an imaginary signal line. When this "signal" disappears the real built-in metal detector comes into play, but the credit goes to the other non-working circuit.

Of course, you could always fake a video to show how clever you are. :lol:

What's happening on the debunkering front?

Morgan

05-20-2009, 01:40 AM

I assumed you were making a comparison with Hung's faked video, as your post was directed at him. Now I understand that you have the same random beeps as all the other PD cloners. Morgan seems to be the only one with some real success. Of course, it helps when you have the original to compare.
Yes it helps a lot.specialy when its to compare LRL results in my field test,i come to conclusion my PD works better than the original...

Morgan

05-20-2009, 01:51 AM

Actually the real answer is that the ferrite circuit fools the operator into following an imaginary signal line. When this "signal" disappears the real built-in metal detector comes into play, but the credit goes to the other non-working circuit.

Of course, you could always fake a video to show how clever you are. :lol:

What's happening on the debunkering front?
Hi Qiaozhi

About Hung´s video,i dont know if its fake or not...But i want to send to you real LRL video made in my field test,where you can see detection of a little gold medal( buried 20 cm) at 2 m distance.
If your intuition say its a fake video,you can come here to analize the place and the phenomenon.

I think the Carl´s $ 25,000 its a fake,my LRL results not a fake.

Regards

Qiaozhi

05-20-2009, 10:12 AM

Hi Qiaozhi

About Hung´s video,i dont know if its fake or not...But i want to send to you real LRL video made in my field test,where you can see detection of a little gold medal( buried 20 cm) at 2 m distance.
If your intuition say its a fake video,you can come here to analize the place and the phenomenon.

I think the Carl´s $ 25,000 its a fake,my LRL results not a fake.

Regards
Hi Morgan,

I would be very interested to see your video. Personally I have no reason to believe that you would make a fake. On the other hand, Hung's video is definitely suspect.

By the way, Carl's $25k challenge is not fake, but no-one has been able to claim the money. Strangely these devices seem unable to function when subjected to double-blind testing.

hung

05-20-2009, 12:29 PM

The real and really easy challenge would be making a deal with Carl.
Anyone who lives close to him, should go to his place, grab the FG80 from his hands and detect the gold mine he now lives close. In return, this person should not only take the gold but his 25 k as well.

How fair is that? Fair enough.:razz:

PS. Hey Morgan, your very first video was also called fake by skeptics, because at the time, the 'respected' electronic engineers in this forum could not replicate it and they still could not to date!
So be prepared to hear your video is fake. Particularly I don't feel bad that they call my video fake... This prevents what we have fall in the wrong hands.:)

nelson

05-20-2009, 12:46 PM

Hi Morgan
I a little confuse, so can you tell me what circuit did you build and work for you?
Is it the one you posted on paper draws in this forum?
If so, i ll make it and experiment with it here in Chile.
Regards
Nelson

The Pistoldetektor,if very well tuned with Ferrite,acts as a COMPASS if you put coil pointed to ground(1 m above). If you search during the nigth and do this procedure,you will note that the GREEN LED will become more powerfull full of ligth when turn PD to NORTH or to SOUTH direction,so it act as a compass,becouse the Ferrite interfere with the Electromagnetic field of this Planet,thats what i think...
About some coins and objects i have found at 4m distance(same as Geo) it as energy projected 3m to North and 1m to South. This projections can happens in eliptical shape,or rectangle. In very tiny objects can be just one line ...

Fred

05-20-2009, 02:55 PM

PS. Hey Morgan, your very first video was also called fake by skeptics, because at the time, the 'respected' electronic engineers in this forum could not replicate it and they still could not to date!
So be prepared to hear your video is fake. Particularly I don't feel bad that they call my video fake... This prevents what we have fall in the wrong hands.:)
No one said Morgan video was fake.And at best you didn´t fake yours on purpose, but you got fooled by some cooking pan nearby.
Come on, do you realise you tested a LRL in a kitchen !!?? :shocked: :stars:

hung

05-20-2009, 03:40 PM

No one said Morgan video was fake.And at best you didn´t fake yours on purpose, but you got fooled by some cooking pan nearby.
Come on, do you realise you tested a LRL in a kitchen !!?? :shocked: :stars:

:lol::lol:
If you can't differentiate a bedroom from a kitchen, no wonder you can't tell the difference of an emitter from a collector in a transistor!
Hey Fred, that was a good one. You are getting as funny as Max!:lol:

Max

05-20-2009, 07:56 PM

:lol::lol:
If you can't differentiate a bedroom from a kitchen, no wonder you can't tell the difference of an emitter from a collector in a transistor!
Hey Fred, that was a good one. You are getting as funny as Max!:lol:

Uhm... but the silly question is : what about your modified RT ???

What's the principles of physics (cause it is a physical device I hope) involved in such wonderful far ionic detection ? :D

Kind regards,
Max

Fred

05-21-2009, 12:26 AM

J_Player

05-22-2009, 05:30 AM

you got fooled by some cooking pan nearby.
Come on, do you realise you tested a LRL in a kitchen !!?? :shocked: :stars:

Originally posted by hung
If you can't differentiate a bedroom from a kitchen, no wonder you can't tell the difference of an emitter from a collector in a transistor!
Hey Fred, that was a good one. You are getting as funny as Max!:lol:Now, now, Fred,

Let us not jump to conclusions about what room movie-makers use to place their cooking pans. :nono: Just because most people keep their cooking pans in the kitchen, does not mean that hung must also keep them there. What better place to keep the cooking pan than the living room? If hung wants to put a cooking pan in his living room while filming his PD really, truly working, this is his business. I doubt any fake stuff was intended.

Now that we cleared up what room the film was made, I guess this pretty much proves that hung's PD works.
Right?

Best wishes,
J_P

Qiaozhi

05-22-2009, 11:41 AM

:lol::lol:
If you can't differentiate a bedroom from a kitchen, no wonder you can't tell the difference of an emitter from a collector in a transistor!
Hey Fred, that was a good one. You are getting as funny as Max!:lol:
Regardless of the actual location, there are three main objections to your video:

1. Despite repeated protesting that LRLs must be tested outside away from any interference, you have demonstrated the PD "working" in your bedroom. Presumably your bed doesn't contain any metal springs, and your house is interference free?

2. The first test (no target) is performed at a height greater than the second test with the gold ring. This leads observers to the obvious conclusion that your PD would have responded anyway (regardless of the presence of a target) just by lowering the device.

3. A gold ring laying on your bedroom floor would be undetectable at the distance shown, particularly with such a small coil. Remember that this PD is essentially an old modified Heathkit design, which makes your claims even more ridiculous. The so-called LRL part of the design would be inoperative at this distance, according to your previous statements. Also, Morgan does not claim to have the same sensitivity on his own PD, despite having access to the original for comparison.

As a result, the video is extremely suspect and cannot be taken at face value.

Theseus

05-22-2009, 12:08 PM

Fred

05-22-2009, 12:19 PM

Is this video still available for viewing, on the internet perhaps?
Yes, here:
http://rapidshare.com/files/189867703/PD_agk.avi

Theseus

05-22-2009, 02:02 PM

Yes, here:
http://rapidshare.com/files/189867703/PD_agk.avi

Thanks, I'll have a look.

Theseus

05-22-2009, 03:33 PM

Regardless of the actual location, there are three main objections to your video:

1. Despite repeated protesting that LRLs must be tested outside away from any interference, you have demonstrated the PD "working" in your bedroom. Presumably your bed doesn't contain any metal springs, and your house is interference free?

2. The first test (no target) is performed at a height greater than the second test with the gold ring. This leads observers to the obvious conclusion that your PD would have responded anyway (regardless of the presence of a target) just by lowering the device.

3. A gold ring laying on your bedroom floor would be undetectable at the distance shown, particularly with such a small coil. Remember that this PD is essentially an old modified Heathkit design, which makes your claims even more ridiculous. The so-called LRL part of the design would be inoperative at this distance, according to your previous statements. Also, Morgan does not claim to have the same sensitivity on his own PD, despite having access to the original for comparison.

As a result, the video is extremely suspect and cannot be taken at face value.

After viewing the video, I concur with all three of your points for suspicion. However, the most troublesome of the three would be number 2., since the height above "floor" level was definitely less than when the background-no-target test was performed.

The test results may have been more believable if the "device" were fixed at a certain location, either vertical or horizontal and the target passed in front of it.

Kind of reminds me of an experiment I did many years ago with a standard BFO detector. It was tuned to an EXTREMELY low beat frequency, about one tick per second, and (in the air) we could discern a slight frequency change when targets were waved in front of the coil at about 36 to 40 inches. That depth was not usable in practice, but it made an interesting experiment on the bench. ;)

Esteban

05-22-2009, 04:33 PM

After viewing the video, I concur with all three of your points for suspicion. However, the most troublesome of the three would be number 2., since the height above "floor" level was definitely less than when the background-no-target test was performed.

The test results may have been more believable if the "device" were fixed at a certain location, either vertical or horizontal and the target passed in front of it.

Kind of reminds me of an experiment I did many years ago with a standard BFO detector. It was tuned to an EXTREMELY low beat frequency, about one tick per second, and (in the air) we could discern a slight frequency change when targets were waved in front of the coil at about 36 to 40 inches. That depth was not usable in practice, but it made an interesting experiment on the bench. ;)

Of course, the BFO pistol catch a anomaly at 30 m (big bronze spoon, very green for the time) for the few hertz variation. But BFO pistol works with a RF receiver too. ;) But only few BFO is very stable. ;)

Fred

05-22-2009, 04:51 PM

And we don´t know what the floor is made of and what is below.Could be a plate of 1X1m gold below the ring .

Max

05-22-2009, 05:04 PM

After viewing the video, I concur with all three of your points for suspicion. However, the most troublesome of the three would be number 2., since the height above "floor" level was definitely less than when the background-no-target test was performed.

The test results may have been more believable if the "device" were fixed at a certain location, either vertical or horizontal and the target passed in front of it.

Kind of reminds me of an experiment I did many years ago with a standard BFO detector. It was tuned to an EXTREMELY low beat frequency, about one tick per second, and (in the air) we could discern a slight frequency change when targets were waved in front of the coil at about 36 to 40 inches. That depth was not usable in practice, but it made an interesting experiment on the bench. ;)

On the bench... of course. The little induction variation on the bench , controlled environment, you can even spot cause other factors do not influence or have small influence on e.g. stability...

but in practice... these BFOs are unuseful when e.g. the target is buried under 50cm of soil!;)

Which kind of S/N and stability will you need to see some say 10E-30 H variation at coil due to an coin at 50cm depth and say 3 meters away??? :lol:

That's the clue... that BFO LRL simply can't work as described... I think we already know that.

Kind regards,
Max

Max

05-22-2009, 05:06 PM

Of course, the BFO pistol catch a anomaly at 30 m (big bronze spoon, very green for the time) for the few hertz variation. But BFO pistol works with a RF receiver too. ;) But only few BFO is very stable. ;)

Hi,
what ? 30meters ? :lol:

Impossible.

Kind regards,
Max

Max

05-22-2009, 05:10 PM

And we don´t know what the floor is made of and what is below.Could be a plate of 1X1m gold below the ring .

Hi Fred,
as it's described is impossible or well...if we wanna consider all the possibilities...

Doesn't exist a BFO capable of doing a large spoon detection at 30meters... unless the spoon is VERY large... like this.:rolleyes:

Kind regards,
Max

Theseus

05-22-2009, 05:38 PM

but in practice... these BFOs are unuseful when e.g. the target is buried under 50cm of soil!;)
Max

How very true. They are totally useless. :)

Fred

05-22-2009, 11:24 PM

Hi Fred,
as it's described is impossible or well...if we wanna consider all the possibilities...Max
Nice spoon, but i mean on Hung´s video, why it beeps when getting closer to the ground.:p

Esteban

05-23-2009, 12:05 AM

Hi Fred,
as it's described is impossible or well...if we wanna consider all the possibilities...

Doesn't exist a BFO capable of doing a large spoon detection at 30meters... unless the spoon is VERY large... like this.:rolleyes:

Kind regards,
Max

You forgett all I try to explain. Is not only the BFO.

detectoman

05-23-2009, 08:59 AM

jajaja max is one sample of perfect sceptics, he in 5 years of hear very detailed to esteban not learn nafthing,natthing, i build one bfo, i put in reference coil, one needle brass and spring anten of heavy iron, hig armonic of turns, special transistors rf, and these bfo detect object whit nice sound mum away 1. 5 mts
2n3904 bc546 2n2222 and voilaaaaaaaa
and for stabilice, mm is top secret, may be little cap. in paralell whit oscilators
these bfo is my prefered, bfo for president!
good whises
dman.

humhum

05-24-2009, 10:15 AM

Hi, in theory my PD works better because it detects the 1.5v spark at 60cm very easy..... sometimes at 70cm. If it says anything :lol:
But all the discussion is if it work as LRL or not, and not if detect a ring or a spark.

Regards:)

Hi Geo, my (62Khz) Ferrite detects the 1.5v spark at 1meter ,but I make some modification in value -parameters.

humhum

05-24-2009, 10:58 AM

Yes, here:
http://rapidshare.com/files/189867703/PD_agk.avi

Hello Hung. Can you test (try) Your PD (tyon) without a gold ring around 10 centimeters (the ground) to hear the sound or no sound (without the gold ring). After(then)test with a gold ring (for sound).
Please send a new video.

Regards.

Geo

05-25-2009, 06:28 PM

Hi Geo, my (62Khz) Ferrite detects the 1.5v spark at 1meter ,but I make some modification in value -parameters.

very good :)

Max

05-25-2009, 06:40 PM

very good :)

I don't understand what's that 1.5V spark ! :D

usually sparks in the air happen at very hi-voltage not 1.5V!

Or you guys mean that you SHORT an 1.5V battery ?

Cause if so... it's not so indicative stuff I think cause you must also describe the battery you use...

The higher the capacity... the higher the peak current for a simple wire you short on its electrodes, then the higher the magnetic pulse you can generate at switchoff.

Or not ?:D

Kind regards,
Max

Morgan

05-26-2009, 12:00 AM

I don't understand what's that 1.5V spark ! :D

usually sparks in the air happen at very hi-voltage not 1.5V!

Or you guys mean that you SHORT an 1.5V battery ?

Cause if so... it's not so indicative stuff I think cause you must also describe the battery you use...

The higher the capacity... the higher the peak current for a simple wire you short on its electrodes, then the higher the magnetic pulse you can generate at switchoff.

Or not ?:D

Kind regards,
Max
Hello Max

This picture in your avatar is very strange...

Its Winney the P00 ???

Morgan

05-26-2009, 12:18 AM

very good :)
Hello Geo

Did you already scan with MD the place where your PD give some buzzer beeps?
I´m curious.

Regards

Max

05-26-2009, 09:01 AM

Hello Max

This picture in your avatar is very strange...

Its Winney the P00 ???

I think you need eyeglasses... it's not the POO here... (but maybe you like that POO so much... I don't know :D).

Look here for details:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Harlock

Kind regards,
Max

humhum

05-26-2009, 06:03 PM

LRL Video from Morgan.

http://rapidshare.com/files/23717910..._Test.rar.html (http://rapidshare.com/files/237179100/LRL_Morgan_Test.rar.html)

Geo

05-26-2009, 06:37 PM

I don't understand what's that 1.5V spark ! :D

usually sparks in the air happen at very hi-voltage not 1.5V!

Or you guys mean that you SHORT an 1.5V battery ?

Cause if so... it's not so indicative stuff I think cause you must also describe the battery you use...

The higher the capacity... the higher the peak current for a simple wire you short on its electrodes, then the higher the magnetic pulse you can generate at switchoff.

Or not ?:D

Kind regards,
Max

Hi Max,
We mean the short of the battery.
You have right :):)

Geo

05-26-2009, 06:40 PM

Hello Geo

Did you already scan with MD the place where your PD give some buzzer beeps?
I´m curious.

Regards

Hi Max.
At the place there are burried a lot of iron objects so it is not easy to clean all of them, so to understand if PD detcts something or no
Regards:)

Qiaozhi

05-28-2009, 12:33 PM

Regardless of the actual location, there are three main objections to your video:

1. Despite repeated protesting that LRLs must be tested outside away from any interference, you have demonstrated the PD "working" in your bedroom. Presumably your bed doesn't contain any metal springs, and your house is interference free?

2. The first test (no target) is performed at a height greater than the second test with the gold ring. This leads observers to the obvious conclusion that your PD would have responded anyway (regardless of the presence of a target) just by lowering the device.

3. A gold ring laying on your bedroom floor would be undetectable at the distance shown, particularly with such a small coil. Remember that this PD is essentially an old modified Heathkit design, which makes your claims even more ridiculous. The so-called LRL part of the design would be inoperative at this distance, according to your previous statements. Also, Morgan does not claim to have the same sensitivity on his own PD, despite having access to the original for comparison.

As a result, the video is extremely suspect and cannot be taken at face value.
If I had posted a video showing some remarkable (some would say impossible) results, and someone else questioned the genuineness of that video, I would be prompted to reply. Most likely I would also address the objections by creating a second video without the problems noted in the first one.
However, your silence Hung is very illuminating. :rolleyes:

After viewing the video, I concur with all three of your points for suspicion. However, the most troublesome of the three would be number 2., since the height above "floor" level was definitely less than when the background-no-target test was performed.

The test results may have been more believable if the "device" were fixed at a certain location, either vertical or horizontal and the target passed in front of it.

Kind of reminds me of an experiment I did many years ago with a standard BFO detector. It was tuned to an EXTREMELY low beat frequency, about one tick per second, and (in the air) we could discern a slight frequency change when targets were waved in front of the coil at about 36 to 40 inches. That depth was not usable in practice, but it made an interesting experiment on the bench. ;)
Yes - and the second video should be conducted in the manner shown above - in bold.