LRL Ionic/Electrostatic energy field locator

[Qiaozhi]

If I had posted a video showing some remarkable (some would say impossible) results, and someone else questioned the genuineness of that video, I would be prompted to reply. Most likely I would also address the objections by creating a second video without the problems noted in the first one.
However, your silence Hung is very illuminating. :rolleyes:


Yes - and the second video should be conducted in the manner shown above - in bold.
What's that? ... Did I hear a reply?

No!! ... My mistake. It was just the sound of a pin dropping. :lol:

[Fred]

What's that? ... Did I hear a reply?

No!! ... My mistake. It was just the sound of a pin dropping. :lol:

:lol: yes, there are some questions that bring a deafening silence. No intempestive beeping here :rolleyes:

[J_Player]

However, your silence Hung is very illuminating. :rolleyes:

Yes - and the second video should be conducted in the manner shown above - in bold. What's that? ... Did I hear a reply?

No!! ... My mistake. It was just the sound of a pin dropping. :lol:What?
hung can't answer questions about why his LRL was able to detect gold inside his home full of interfering metal and AC power, after all the talk about how it must be tested outside away from electrical power and other metals?

Hmmmm...
I wonder how it got a good signal from gold with all the interfering metal and power inside?
This isn't another one of hung's stunts where he didn't really test it at all, is it? Do you suppose he had an assistant hiding out of view of the camera making the beep sounds to prove he has a working LRL?

I wonder why he won't test it outside away from interference?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Qiaozhi]

What?
hung can't answer questions about why his LRL was able to detect gold inside his home full of interfering metal and AC power, after all the talk about how it must be tested outside away from electrical power and other metals?

Hmmmm...
I wonder how it got a good signal from gold with all the interfering metal and power inside?
This isn't another one of hung's stunts where he didn't really test it at all, is it? Do you suppose he had an assistant hiding out of view of the camera making the beep sounds to prove he has a working LRL?

I wonder why he won't test it outside away from interference?

Best wishes,
J_P
This reminds me of another video I watched recently called "Fools Gold" (an action-comedy hybrid) and rather an apt title in this case, you might say. In the film they are using a PI for some underwater searches. The beeping of the detector was clearly dubbed on afterwards, and the detection distance for the cannon was just unbelievable.

In the video we are discussing here, I suspect that the beeping would have occurred in the first test, if it had been lowered to the same position as it was in the second test. In other words, it probably was not dubbed on afterwards or produced by an external beeper.

[Geo]

Finally i went to the house from a friend and made another test. He has 2 silver coins in the ground at 30...40 cm, 18 years ago. With pcb5 and ferrite i did not took any signal. With round coil (this time with 11cm coil) i took signal but random. When i was 1... 2m near the coins i had some random beeps so it was impossible to pinpoint them. I don't know what happening other day and time, but these time my detector was not useful because with a metal detector i should made the same and better work.

But exists the phenomenon. Who phenomenon......
I don't know
Regards:)

[Fred]

Thanks Geo for your results, you are one of the very few reporting objective observations.
Keep posting the truth, wish you success.
Regards,
Fred.

[Qiaozhi]

Finally i went to the house from a friend and made another test. He has 2 silver coins in the ground at 30...40 cm, 18 years ago. With pcb5 and ferrite i did not took any signal. With round coil (this time with 11cm coil) i took signal but random. When i was 1... 2m near the coins i had some random beeps so it was impossible to pinpoint them. I don't know what happening other day and time, but these time my detector was not useful because with a metal detector i should made the same and better work.

But exists the phenomenon. Who phenomenon......
I don't know
Regards:)

Thanks Geo for your results, you are one of the very few reporting objective observations.
Keep posting the truth, wish you success.
Regards,
Fred.
Exactly!

If you think the PHENOMENON is real, then try to quantify it. Subjective measurement and wild theories are of no interest. If the readings appear random, then they probably are.

Keep up the good work Geo. :cool:

[Esteban]

Thanks Geo for your results, you are one of the very few reporting objective observations.
Keep posting the truth, wish you success.
Regards,
Fred.

Geo, I agree, keep the truth!

[epitopios]

to Morgan
about this:
http://www.imageshack.gr/files/7ttka428q2k5gho15qz5_thumb.jpg (http://www.imageshack.gr/view.php?file=7ttka428q2k5gho15qz5.jpg)
is there any shematic diagram ?
and also, about TRANSISTOR SC109 is there any other corresponding (proposed) transistor ?
friendly epitopios

[Max]

to Morgan
about this:
http://www.imageshack.gr/files/7ttka428q2k5gho15qz5_thumb.jpg (http://www.imageshack.gr/view.php?file=7ttka428q2k5gho15qz5.jpg)
is there any shematic diagram ?
and also, about TRANSISTOR SC109 is there any other corresponding (proposed) transistor ?
friendly epitopios

?

Another LRL fanatic ?

You have pcb... reverse schematic!

And transistor SC109 is maybe BC109 ... old thing... can use anything instead of it... like BC239. :rolleyes:

And then ?

Does it let you find a coin at 10meters ? :lol: You're optimist.

Kind regards,
Max

[Geo]

If i remember OK, the reversed schematic has wrongs at the first oscillator. It takes the out from base, not from colector
I think that Fred reversed the PCB.
To Epitopios...Πανο εαν δεν το βρεις θυμησε μου να στο στειλω, αν και εχει λαθη... διορθωνονται ευκολα

Regards:)

[epitopios]

?

Another LRL fanatic ?

You have pcb... reverse schematic!

And transistor SC109 is maybe BC109 ... old thing... can use anything instead of it... like BC239. :rolleyes:

And then ?

Does it let you find a coin at 10meters ? :lol: You're optimist.

Kind regards,
Max

dear Max , let me find something in 10 meters and then i will put another zero , ha ha ;)
always must optimist and dreamer in our lifes , thats why we live in the earth !!! :cheers:
friendly epitopios

[epitopios]

If i remember OK, the reversed schematic has wrongs at the first oscillator. It takes the out from base, not from colector
I think that Fred reversed the PCB.
To Epitopios...Πανο εαν δεν το βρεις θυμησε μου να στο στειλω, αν και εχει λαθη... διορθωνονται ευκολα

Regards:)

Geo , if we have a PLL Transmitter (10hz - 3Mhz) i think its a better solution and of course more stable !!!!!
I need opinions ........

http://www.imageshack.gr/files/eopjwscunwghd5j1pqju_thumb.jpg (http://www.imageshack.gr/view.php?file=eopjwscunwghd5j1pqju.jpg)


friendly epitopios

[WM6]

Geo , if we have a PLL Transmitter (10hz - 3Mhz) i think its a better solution and of course more stable !!!!!
I need opinions ........

http://www.imageshack.gr/files/eopjwscunwghd5j1pqju_thumb.jpg (http://www.imageshack.gr/view.php?file=eopjwscunwghd5j1pqju.jpg)

Something that can suit your needs:

http://www.analog.com/static/imported-files/data_sheets/AD5930.pdf

Or even NE566

Amazingly, the NE566 can be made to sweep a continuous 1000:1 frequency span with just one fixed timing capacitor. Imagine, continuous linear tuning 20 Hz - 20 KHz or 1 KHz - 1 MHz without switching. A simple op-amp circuit provides the precise voltage control necessary. You set the range with the selection of the timing capacitor.

[simonbaker]

Something that can suit your needs:

http://www.analog.com/static/imported-files/data_sheets/AD5930.pdf

Or even NE566

Amazingly, the NE566 can be made to sweep a continuous 1000:1 frequency span with just one fixed timing capacitor. Imagine, continuous linear tuning 20 Hz - 20 KHz or 1 KHz - 1 MHz without switching. A simple op-amp circuit provides the precise voltage control necessary. You set the range with the selection of the timing capacitor.

What circuit allows 1000:1 sweep without changing components?

-SB

[ivconic]

AD9850, AD9851.......

[ivconic]

www.arrl.org/qex/2008/11/Green.pdf

[epitopios]

www.arrl.org/qex/2008/11/Green.pdf (http://www.arrl.org/qex/2008/11/Green.pdf)

:super::super::super::super:
very good - веома добар
friendly eiptopios

[WM6]

What circuit allows 1000:1 sweep without changing components?

-SB

Some circuit with NE566, like this:

[ivconic]

Real cooky! ;)

[ivconic]

Put this def file in same folder with executable. It presents setup i would like to achieve electronically - to make project which will do the same...

[ivconic]

Now... using this soft we can make TX coil with resistance no less than 4 ohms and use it in experimental purposes as TX at some md project.
TX coil directly connected to one of sound card outputs.
Ain't that some idea? :lol:

[epitopios]

150khz-3Mhz = 100mW
137khz = 50mW
100khz = 30mW
50khz = 10mW
http://h.imagehost.org/t/0202/P9260039.jpg (http://h.imagehost.org/view/0202/P9260039)

[epitopios]

Geo , if we have a PLL Transmitter (10hz - 3Mhz) i think its a better solution and of course more stable !!!!!
I need opinions ........
friendly epitopios
http://h.imagehost.org/t/0202/P9260039.jpg (http://h.imagehost.org/view/0202/P9260039)
150khz-3Mhz = 100mW
137khz = 50mW
100khz = 30mW
50khz = 10mW
Do you think its enough power or we need more , about 10 , 20 or 50 watts??
epitopios

[ivconic]

1W on 150kHz is H U G E power!
I don't see a need for such power?

[WM6]

150khz-3Mhz = 100mW

Do you think its enough power or we need more , about 10 , 20 or 50 watts??



Attention!!!

In most countries such thinghs are not allowed (are prohibited), and you may be accused of terrorist acts in the field of (radio) communications.

Ultimately, this will not detect anything, but you will be easily detected by the law enforcement authorities.

The only allowed are such experiments and devices in field of audio frequencies (see schematic in post #269).

[epitopios]

1W on 150kHz is H U G E power!
I don't see a need for such power?


dear ivconic
you mean that if from 100mW I can make it 2watts , its terra HUGE power :eek:

dear WM6
dont worry , they watch us and they can hear us every day-every minute , so dont worry for 1 or 2 watts in such frequencies :cool:
always friendly epitopios

[WM6]

so dont worry for 1 or 2 watts in such frequencies :cool:



By 100mW output power you cause radio interference in the entire short-wave (SW), middle-wave (MW) and long-wave (LW) spectrum of radio frequencies at least in circle od 8km around, by 2W output power you generate disturbancies in entire SW/LW/MW radio spectrum at least 50km around.

And you dont worry about?

[Theseus]

Government regulations in the US and many other countries prohibit electronic products from emitting EMI that could interfere with radio and television receivers. :nono:

European regulations also include EMI immunity levels. Manufacturers of commercial electronic products generally contend with several types of EMI problems.Suppression of internally generated signals to prevent excessive levels of radiated and/or conducted emissions, is just one.

The FCC in the United States, CSA in Canada, VCCI in Japan, AUSTEL in Australia, and legislation by EU (European Union) member countries all set certain standards for EMI emission levels that commercial electronic devices must meet before being sold in those countries. Many electronic products sold in the US must be tested and verified or certified for compliance with the FCC’s Part 15 regulations.

And, yes... even metal detectors and long range locating devices must conform.

Naturally, an individual experimenter could probably get away with regulations violations for quite a time, especially if their operation was sporadic and the device was not being offered to the public on a commercial basis. :)

Why do you think a lot of LRLs are self powered (free energy), or contain do-nothing circuits, or are simple 555 timer circuits that really don't radiate anything in the way of usable energy. This way the LRL scammer Wallet-miners can sell the products commercially and avoid having to comply with the FCC Part 15 regulations.

[ivconic]

Wanna talk serious?

http://www.qsl.net/ik2pii/lf/tx200w.htm

[Theseus]

Wanna talk serious?

http://www.qsl.net/ik2pii/lf/tx200w.htm

That is an amateur radio transmitter and it requires a license to operate. Even so, the licensee is bound by rules that limit the amount of spurious radiations and interference that might result from any transmissions. Plus, transmitted frequencies MUST only be in the bands allotted for amateur radio transmissions.

[Alexismex]

Originally Posted by epitopios http://www.geotech1.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=99467#post99467)

150khz-3Mhz = 100mW

Do you think its enough power or we need more , about 10 , 20 or 50 watts??

They did not have any knowledge of what is to transmit ...they did not know nothing of the international rules of Fcc for radio transmission and nothing on how to adjust a simple dipole antenna but they are the kings of LRL!!!!:)!

[Theseus]

Originally Posted by epitopios http://www.geotech1.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=99467#post99467)

150khz-3Mhz = 100mW

Do you think its enough power or we need more , about 10 , 20 or 50 watts??

They did not have any knowledge of what is to transmit ...they did not know nothing of the international rules of Fcc for radio transmission and nothing on how to adjust a simple dipole antenna but they are the kings of LRL!!!!:)!

Whatever.....

If they are in fact the kings of LRL, it is not because of transmitted frequencies or the power levels of such transmissions. I hate to be the one to reveal this to you; but frequencies and power levels have nothing to do with long range locators. :D

[J_Player]

Whatever.....

If they are in fact the kings of LRL, it is not because of transmitted frequencies or the power levels of such transmissions. I hate to be the one to reveal this to you; but frequencies and power levels have nothing to do with long range locators. :DUmmmm...
Does this mean we need to practice treasure ideas and motor skills? :???:

Best wishes,
J_P

[Theseus]

Ummmm...
Does this mean we need to practice treasure ideas and motor skills? :???:

Best wishes,
J_P

Well, I don't know if that would be a viable (and lucrative) alternative or not.

But certainly the MFD/LRL theory(?) or concept is completely baseless, having no validity and is essentially bogus in all respects. It was originally conceived strictly as a marketing scheme to sell a few gullible people, the practice of dowsing, disguised as having a relationship to real physics and science. Of course there are no real ties to actual science, but the idea seemed to appeal to a few technically-challenged, and ergo; a new cottage industry was born. ;)

[Alexismex]

Hello theseus,
I say they are the Kings in LRL because they did not know nothing about nothing in fcy, power,antenna, etc.....
Many years ago i make a qsl contact at 11000 km in radio amateur band (20meters) with only 10 Watts in Blu and 2 watt in telegraphy

[Seden]

There is a license free band of 160-190 K.C. that allows you to use 1 watt and a 50' antenna. I operated on those frequencies for a solid 15 years using SSB,CW,AMTOR,and RTTY with good results. It's an amazing band with incredible ground coverage.

Randy-WD6ELU

[epitopios]

IARU REGION 1 HF BAND PLAN – Effective 29th March 2009

FREQUENCY (kHz)

MAX BANDWIDTH (Hz)

PREFERRED MODE AND USAGE

135.7 – 137.8

200

CW, QRSS and narrow band digital modes
RR 5.67A Stations in the amateur service using frequencies in the band 135.7-137.8 kHz shall not exceed a maximum radiated power of 1 W (e.i.r.p.) and shall not cause harmful interference to stations of the radionavigation service operating in countries listed in No. 5.67. (WRC-07)
RR 5.67B The use of the band 135.7-137.8 kHz in Algeria, Egypt, Iran (Islamic Republic of), Iraq, Libyan Arab Jamahiriya, Lebanon, Syrian Arab Republic, Sudan and Tunisia is limited to the fixed and maritime mobile services. The amateur service shall not be used in the above-mentioned countries in the band 135.7-137.8 kHz, and this should be taken into account by the countries authorising such use. (WRC-07)

[Theseus]

There is a license free band of 160-190 K.C. that allows you to use 1 watt and a 50' antenna. I operated on those frequencies for a solid 15 years using SSB,CW,AMTOR,and RTTY with good results. It's an amazing band with incredible ground coverage.

Randy-WD6ELU


Sounds like a wonderful candidate for LRL experimentation - so long as you can be content with a Gold or Silver frequency that falls in 160 to 190 kHz range. (?)

Think I'm beginning to understand why most of the early LRL/MFD experimenters chose convenient frequencies in the upper audio ranges, like 3 to 10 thousand CYCLES. They are also easy to generate with a simple NE555 timer circuit.

Of course plugging the output of an NE555 timer circuit directly into the ground and expecting something to happen to a gold or silver target a few hundred yards (or a few inches) from the probes is total lunacy. Hence, the only thing that could be observed from the Receiver Rods, was the operators own ideomotor response, and an indication of Gravity. :lol: :lol: :lol:

However, if you couple that little do-nothing circuit with a nice pair of bent L-rods and a generous helping of pseudo-science gobbly-gook.... BINGO! a Wallet-miner is born. :lol: :lol: :lol:
:razz:

[Mike(Mont)]

Deductive reasoning is not guaranteed to be accurate, and inductive reasoning is not always inaccurate, but deductive reasoning is used by science, right or wrong. Inductive reasoning is never used. It's easy to confuse/misunderstand the basics when you have a biased, negative, skeptical mindset. What I see is people trying to force their interpretation of radio theory on the MFD type locators. They also underestimate or completely discount the abilities of the human nervous system of a skilled dowser/locator. I can understand the mentality of "I tried it and it doesn't work, therefore it won't work for ANYONE else." Quite revealing.

[Theseus]

Deductive reasoning is not guaranteed to be accurate, and inductive reasoning is not always inaccurate, but deductive reasoning is used by science, right or weong. Inductive reasoning is never used. It's easy to confuse/misunderstand the basics when you have a biased, negative, skeptical mindset. What I see is people trying to force their interpretation of radio theory on the MFD type locators. They also underestimate the abilities of the human nervous system of a skilled dowser/locator. I can understand the mentality of "I tried it and it doesn't work, therefore it won't work for ANYONE else." Quite revealing.

Type of reasoning, biased or skeptical mindset have nothing to with and cannot influence the facts of real physical science. Likewise a pie-in-the-sky outlook with occult pseudoscience beliefs cannot influence or change the facts of real physical science.

The output of an NE555 trigger circuit when plugged into the ground is what it is. A gimmick to rob cash from the gullible and technically-challenged. I'm sorry you were victimized by clever wallet-miners, but it only takes a few like yourself to fund the coffers of these scam artists. It is literally what they bank on. ;)

[WM6]

There is a license free band of 160-190 K.C. that allows you to use 1 watt and a 50' antenna. I operated on those frequencies for a solid 15 years using SSB,CW,AMTOR,and RTTY with good results. It's an amazing band with incredible ground coverage.

Randy-WD6ELU


Yes, Randy, congratulations, but this not mean that one can produce frequencies disturbing other communications inside or outside such amateur radio band, no matter AR license is required or not required (like in CB radio).

There is huge difference between unintentional (in most cases parasitic EMI of working devices) and intentional producing of EMI. Intentional producing of EMI can be treated by law as form of terrorist attack.

Modern communications law is crafted by the International Telecommunications Union (“ITU”), a specialized UN Agency for information communication technologies.114 Article 35 of the ITU Charter prohibits “harmful interference” defined in Annex 2 as “interference which endangers the functioning of a radio navigation service or of other safety services or seriously degrades, obstructs or repeatedly interrupts a radio communication service operating in accordance with the Radio Regulations.”

And this is not something new, still USA Communications Act of 1934 provided:
(c) The manufacture, assembly, or installation of radiofrequency devices for its own use by a public utility engaged in providing electric service: Provided, however, That
no such devise shall be operated if it causes harmful interference to radio communications.

Quite similar regulations of this area, or even more restrictive, are also known in other countries.

[Mike(Mont)]

To claim it's all ideomotor is not what I call "sound physics". That's phony logic. And to claim an MFD signal can't be detected "more than a few inches" is as bogus as you are.

[Clondike Clad]

Ok I want to look at this some more?
Let see 150000hz-3000000hz= -2850000Hz
so a -2850000hz=100mw
so if my signal unit can go from 0 to X hzs
How do I get a -hz:shocked:
Some one help me,please help me:shocked:
All I need is Hz to get Watts?
So if I can get a GHZ can I run my house off it.
All I need is 20kw for heating and cooling etc
I must relearn electronics:shocked:
P=IE or do I get the pie in the face:shocked:
So PLEASE SOMEONE HELP ME LEARN THIS NEW ELECTRONICS:razz:

[Theseus]

To claim it's all ideomotor is not what I call "sound physics". That's phony logic. And to claim an MFD signal can't be detected "more than a few inches" is as bogus as you are.

Let's see some proof and data to back up your kitchen chemistry theories:


Demonstrate how the output of an NE555 timer circuit, when plugged into the ground, has any influence on a metal target 10" away.
Show the, as yet unexplainable and unseen, forces that cause an L-rod to move and indicate gravity, if not as a result of an ideomotor response.

Demonstrate for all of us your sound physics that validate your kitchen chemistry theories. Please!

Then we can all determine who is the bogus one here.

[J_Player]

Let's see some proof and data to back up your kitchen chemistry theories:


Demonstrate how the output of an NE555 timer circuit, when plugged into the ground, has any influence on a metal target 10" away.
Show the, as yet unexplainable and unseen, forces that cause an L-rod to move and indicate gravity, if not as a result of an ideomotor response.

Demonstrate for all of us your sound physics that validate your kitchen chemistry theories. Please!

Then we can all determine who is the bogus one here.Hmmmm....
I don't see any demonstrations of a timer circuit having an influence on targets 10 feet away.
I don't see any demonstrations of unexplainable and unseen forces that cause an L-rod to move....

Shhhhh..... I hear the sound of silence... :rolleyes:

Best wishes,
J_P

[Mike(Mont)]

I didn't realize how close-minded you are. The human body and mind is the most sensitive piece of equipment. It transcends science. I thought you were smart enough to know this. Now I think otherwise. I really doubt you can think for yourself.

[J_Player]

I didn't realize how close-minded you are. The human body and mind is the most sensitive piece of equipment. It transcends science. I thought you were smart enough to know this. Now I think otherwise. I really doubt you can think for yourself.Hi Mike(Mont),
I don't know who you are addressing when you say "I didn't realize how close-minded you are". Maybe you are talking to Theseus, or maybe me, or maybe all people who don't believe exactly as you do. But I don't think I see close-minded people posting here except maybe you.

For example, Theseus is essentially saying his mind is open to the possibility that 555 timers can put out enough power to influence a metal target 10" away. His mind is also open to "unexplainable and unseen, forces that cause an L-rod to move" even if not as a result of an ideamotor response too. He has opened his mind to these possibilities against the overwhelming body of scientific evidence that says it is all smoke and mirrors. All that he asks is to show a demonstration of either of these phenomena so he will have some reason to believe, in the absence of scientific proof.

I also agree. I would like to believe all that you say, and since there is no scientific proof, I would also like to see some live demonstrations of it working so I will have a reason to believe too. So far, the dowsing demonstrations I have seen convinced me the rods were moving by random motions induced by the dowser's arm muscles. Of course, I must have been watching fake dowsers. So why not put on a live demonstration to show how metal is located by a real dowser?

Is your mind closed to backing up what you say with reality... live in front of skeptical witnesses?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Qiaozhi]

The human body and mind is the most sensitive piece of equipment. It transcends science.
Only to those who are convinced that medieval mystical practices, such as dowsing, are more than a "trick of the mind".

The only closed minds are those of the dowsing fraternity who do not listen to the voice of reason. There is overwhelming evidence against dowsing, as proven conclusively in numerous properly controlled double-blind tests. Other less scientific approaches, such as so-called "field testing", is open to human error and self-deception, and is not a scientifically viable method. You are free to believe in dowsing and other related mystical nonsense if you wish, but a truly open-minded person would give up those beliefs in the face of such overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Trust either your "easily fooled" "transcending-science" human mind (and keep it in its obviously completely closed state) or the double-blind test results ... it's your choice.

[Theseus]

Well, Mike..... :shrug:

....seems we are all waiting on you. :)

[WM6]

maybe they only don't want to destroy global MD production, don't push him in this moral exam

[Mike(Mont)]

http://www.physorg.com/news173423784.html

[J_Player]

http://www.physorg.com/news173423784.html
Interesting article about how eyes work. But it does not provide a demonstration of how 555 timers can put out enough power to influence a metal target 10" away, or of "unexplainable and unseen, forces that cause an L-rod to move" when not as a result of an ideamotor response.

We are not asking for interesting articles about physiology. We asked for a live demonstration of the phenomena you claim we are ignorant of.
Our minds are open to see and believe just as soon as you show us these phenomenal abilities of dowsing in action.

...or is your mind closed to the idea of demonstrating the reality you claim to exist for locating metals with dowsing?

Best wishes,
J_P

[WM6]

http://www.physorg.com/news173423784.html



Excellent. Having quantum optics one only need to convince burried gold to produce small amount of photons and catch it.

[Theseus]

http://www.physorg.com/news173423784.html

By showing that it’s possible to perform quantum optics experiments with human eyes as detectors, the physicists can bring quantum phenomena closer to the macroscopic level and to everyday life.Mike, please show the relevance.

I, like J_P, fail to see the connection between your ref article and;



Demonstrate how the output of an NE555 timer circuit, when plugged into the ground, has any influence on a metal target 10" away.
Show the, as yet unexplainable and unseen, forces that cause an L-rod to move and indicate gravity, if not as a result of an ideomotor response.

:shrug:

[Qiaozhi]

http://www.physorg.com/news173423784.html
And what does this theoretical experiment of quantum entanglement have to do with the price of tinned tomatoes? :shrug:

Absolutely nothing! The same way as it has nothing to do with the medieval mystical practice of dowsing, or the nonsensical idea of injecting signals into the ground with a 555 timer and detecting gold 10 feet away. :lol:

[Mike(Mont)]

Don't forget that the human skin is sensitive to a much wider range of frequencies compared to the eyes. At one time during our evolution, our eyes (even our brain) were nothing more that a sensitive fold of skin.

[Theseus]

Don't forget that the human skin is sensitive to a much wider range of frequencies compared to the eyes. At one time during our evolution, our eyes (even our brain) were nothing more that a sensitive fold of skin.

Again.... Relevance to:



Demonstrate how the output of an NE555 timer circuit, when plugged into the ground, has any influence on a metal target 10" away.
Show the, as yet unexplainable and unseen, forces that cause an L-rod to move and indicate gravity, if not as a result of an ideomotor response.

Incidentally, I'm not aware of a range of frequencies the human skin is sensitive to, or how that range differs from the range of frequencies of the human eye. Could you please quote the document where you learned about these various ranges? (I certainly hope your source is not Dr.(?) Christopher Hills and his University of the Trees, Supersensonics.)

Also, just for the sake of this reference, let's assume for the moment skin and eyes are sensitive to a range of frequencies; how is that related to an NE555 circuit plugged into the ground? Are you suggesting there are usable frequencies propagating from the NE555 circuit, then to an unknown target, and back to the skin or eyes of a dowsing rod operator???? :shocked:

[Mike(Mont)]

Those who refuse to admit their mistakes never learn from them. I have been on the forums for over twelve years and have yet to read an admission of guilt or apology from a single skeptic. That's sociopathic.

[Theseus]

Those who refuse to admit their mistakes never learn from them. I have been on the forums for over twelve years and have yet to read an admission of guilt or apology from a single skeptic. That's sociopathic.

Apology? :shrug: For what?

It's not our fault you can't come up with any plausible proof for your kitchen table pseudo-scientific assertions. Several have asked you, in various different ways, yet you have failed to come up with a single shred of evidence or demonstration to support your views and/or theories(?).

I fail to see the connection between your inability to provide supporting data, skepticism and sociopaths.

Are you trying to write in riddles (extreme obfuscation); or does it just come out that way? :D

[J_Player]

Those who refuse to admit their mistakes never learn from them. I have been on the forums for over twelve years and have yet to read an admission of guilt or apology from a single skeptic. That's sociopathic.Hi Mike(Mont),
I said I would like to believe all that you say, and I would also like to see some live demonstrations of it working so I will have a reason to believe too. But I don't hear any response to our request for a live demonstration to show how 555 timers can put out enough power to influence a metal target 10" away, or of "unexplainable and unseen, forces that cause an L-rod to move" when not as a result of an ideamotor response.

I admitted I must have been watching fake dowsers who could not find buried metal, and I asked to see some successful dowsing from a real dowser like you.
Should I feel guilty? Have I made a mistake?

I now have two questions:
1. Where is the mistake I didn't admit, and what should I feel guilty about?
2. Is your mind closed to backing up what you say with reality... by demonstrating real dowsing ability live in front of skeptical witnesses?

I am beginning to wonder... is it possible Mike(Mont) can't dowse?
He isn't another fake dowser who can only claim success when nobody is watching to see if he really can dowse or not, is he? :eek:

Best wishes,
J_P

[Mike(Mont)]

jp, I never claimed to be a dowser although I can. I discovered I could dowse with a metal detector. Occasionally I would get the feeling that I was going to find a ring and within six feet I would find one. That was back in the 1970's. I bought a black box (it had a GSR on it) and learned to intentionally find targets. My map dowsing (mental dowsing) is extremely marginal and I haven't spent more than a few hours at it. I use a frequency generator for "physical dowsing". You might even call it an "electronic witness" or carrier wave for thought energy.

[Qiaozhi]

jp, I never claimed to be a dowser although I can. I discovered I could dowse with a metal detector. Occasionally I would get the feeling that I was going to find a ring and within six feet I would find one. That was back in the 1970's. I bought a black box (it had a GSR on it) and learned to intentionally find targets. My map dowsing (mental dowsing) is extremely marginal and I haven't spent more than a few hours at it. I use a frequency generator for "physical dowsing". You might even call it an "electronic witness" or carrier wave for thought energy.

Those who refuse to admit their mistakes never learn from them.
:lol: :lol: :lol: How true! :lol: :lol: :lol:

[J_Player]

jp, I never claimed to be a dowser although I can. I discovered I could dowse with a metal detector. Occasionally I would get the feeling that I was going to find a ring and within six feet I would find one. That was back in the 1970's. I bought a black box (it had a GSR on it) and learned to intentionally find targets. My map dowsing (mental dowsing) is extremely marginal and I haven't spent more than a few hours at it. I use a frequency generator for "physical dowsing". You might even call it an "electronic witness" or carrier wave for thought energy.Hi Mike(Mont),
I guess we shouldn't consider you to be a real dowser, even though you claim to dowse mentally to a small degree.
So I guess there is no point in your demonstrating dowsing to skeptics who would like to see a better than random performance.

But I wonder if your frequency discriminator for "physical dowsing" could be used to demonstrate unexplainable and unseen, forces that cause an L-rod to move when not as a result of an ideamotor response?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Theseus]

Hi Mike(Mont),
I guess we shouldn't consider you to be a real dowser, even though you claim to dowse mentally to a small degree.
So I guess there is no point in your demonstrating dowsing to skeptics who would like to see a better than random performance.

But I wonder if your frequency discriminator for "physical dowsing" could be used to demonstrate unexplainable and unseen, forces that cause an L-rod to move when not as a result of an ideamotor response?

Best wishes,
J_P

Yes Mike, why do you attach the term "physical" to your dowsing, as if there were more than one kind of dowsing; ie. "physical" and "mental" ?

Is there something "physical" happening because you are using a frequency generator, like is there something "physical" happening between the frequency generator and the sought-after target?

Or, is it as you say a kind of mental witness where you dial up a certain number on the box, and to you (and you alone) this means that now you will only find say Gold or perhaps Silver? If that's what it's all about couldn't you just as well write the special number down on a piece of paper and put it in your pocket?

Sounds like it is a lot like the numbers that get entered into the calculator mounted atop the Ranger-Tell dowsing rod, where the act of entering the number makes the dowser think that now the unit will only pick up certain materials.

Once again.... the above two examples merely demonstrate it to be a "trick of the mind", since obviously nothing physical is going on. :lol:

[Mike(Mont)]

"I think I'm an alright guy...I really do!"

[J_Player]

"I think I'm an alright guy...I really do!"Hi Mike(Mont),
I think yer an alright guy too. And you got some good ideas about how magnificent the human physiology is. If your dreams of how things work isn't exactly correct, it does not make you a bad guy. This is especially true for you because you have learned from your mistakes, and will continue to learn as time passes.

There is a lot of science that hasn't been discovered yet, and will become mainstream in the decades to come. I am sure that some of what you are arguing for will be shown to be true. And some will be shown to be an illusion. But it's good to have an open mind to accept whatever is shown to be workable solutions for long range metal detecting and what is not.

Some of what is considered good science today may not be what is considered good science in the years to come. We all know this is true from looking at the history of science from the past few centuries. But no need to get yourself into arguments about it. You can follow your instincts and pursue your own dreams without interference from people who want to see proof as long as you are not trying to convince anybody else what is right and wrong about science. If you stumble upon a great revelation that can be demonstrated in front of witnesses, then you will have your glory. I think it will be much easier if you pass by the stage of arguing about it before you discover how to make it work consistently.

I will be looking forward to the time when you come back and show us all a real demonstration of finding buried metals with electronic dowsing rods.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Theseus]

Hi Mike(Mont),

I will be looking forward to the time when you come back and show us all a real demonstration of finding buried metals with electronic dowsing rods.

Best wishes,
J_P

....as are many of us; patiently waiting. :D

[Max]

Me not. I already know that, on best hypothesis, Mike (Mont) is under drugz! :lol:

[Mike(Mont)]

No drugs or alcohol in this body. You're slipping to new lows, Max.

[Max]

New lows ? Uhm... maybe I need some of your stuff to run a little hotter! :lol:

Pass that "reinforced" cigarette please, don't be stingy! :D

[Mike(Mont)]

I sensed something rummy about you. Thought it was something your shrink gave you like thorzine. Never took you for a stoner. No wonder you can't dowse.

[Max]

:D

my fault, I see, I cannot dowse cause of that! :lol:

Your remote sensing ability is so good that you don't understand that I made a joke, that I don't need such reinforced cigarette tu run-hot! :razz:

Just to run hotter.... :lol: say red-hot!:cool:

Who's more stoned then ? :rolleyes:

You cannot dowse too, as anybody... or you mean for dowse that you go around with two brass rods on hands and convince yourself you're detecting gold from remote !? Cause if so, you can, you did I think! :D

Kind regards,
Max

[Mike(Mont)]

Max, you have no right to accuse me of drug use. Not even Miss Cleo would do that. That's wrong, it's not humorous, and you are wrong. Of course you are such an "I think I'm an alright guy" you would never apologize for being such a @^^#0+&. It's just your true nature.

[WM6]

LRL Religion is like a hallucinogenic drug too. But you are always on a bad trip.

The most obvious parallels are the delusions and seeing things very differently. But another parallel is that it can be used to escape reality; to pick you feet off solid ground and curl up in the dark abysses within. Of course hallucinogenic drugs are way more fun and insightful. And eventually the trip ends. So religion is like a never-ending bad trip filled with fear and irrationality and even sometimes, the lack of self-awareness.

[Mike(Mont)]

Max, don't think I am singling you out. "Birds of a feather flock together". Theseus accused me of being involved in pornography. That was much worse. I don't do porno. I find it totally disgusting, right up there with the other perverts.

[Max]

Max, don't think I am singling you out. "Birds of a feather flock together". Theseus accused me of being involved in pornography. That was much worse. I don't do porno. I find it totally disgusting, right up there with the other perverts.

Smoke on the water...

and fire in the sky...

The real question is: why he accused you of such stuff ??? :???:

Kind regards,
Max

[Theseus]

Theseus accused me of being involved in pornography.

Can you prove that, or are you just running your mouth off again? :|

[simonbaker]

I would assume real bonafide dowsers are so rich by now from all their finds that they would have no inclination or time to post messages here, just spend time with their incredible riches having fun. Must be nice!!!!:):):):)

[Max]

Do you mean users of useless rods ?:rolleyes:

[Geo]

I would assume real bonafide dowsers are so rich by now from all their finds that they would have no inclination or time to post messages here, just spend time with their incredible riches having fun. Must be nice!!!!:):):):)


Sorry but i can't assume the same for the users of metal detectors with Top technology !!!!!:):):)

[Mike(Mont)]

I think that is why some people are so disillusioned about dowsing/locating. Just because a person can dowse/locate does not guarantee they will get rich. Like Clive Clynick says in his "Pulsepower" book: To find gold with a metal detector, first find the gold then place the metal detector coil directly over it. Of course what he means is you can't find gold where there isn't any or where you can't get access to the property. Karl von Mueller wanted people to believe there is a stack of gold bars on every block in the entire country. Well, there may be but you can't get access to it. That's where luck comes into play. If you can find a place and get access to it, you have a good chance.

[J_Player]

I think that is why some people are so disillusioned about dowsing/locating. Just because a person can dowse/locate does not guarantee they will get rich. Like Clive Clynick says in his "Pulsepower" book: To find gold with a metal detector, first find the gold then place the metal detector coil directly over it. Of course what he means is you can't find gold where there isn't any or where you can't get access to the property. Karl von Mueller wanted people to believe there is a stack of gold bars on every block in the entire country. Well, there may be but you can't get access to it. That's where luck comes into play. If you can find a place and get access to it, you have a good chance.So... there must be gold to find before you can get rich finding it?

Hmmmm...
Carl_NC offered to pay $25,000 for anyone who can find real gold that is guaranteed to be there. Yup, a real 10 ounce pure gold bar hidden in one of 10 locations. All you need to do is dowse which of the 10 locations it is hidden at 7 times of 10 tries, and you get to keep the 10 ounce bar. Then Carl will write you a check for $5000, and send the remaining $20,000 to you. And he doesn't care if you are using a dowsing rod or a long range locator.

So there's how you can get rich from dowsing and find gold that is really there. The only way you will get an empty hole is if you are not able to dowse the correct location. I suppose it's pretty easy when there are 10 markers to choose from instead of millions of acres of ground to cover. So go get rich..!

p.s. If $25,000 is not worth your while, why not try for a million in the Randi challenge. It's pretty much the same test except no free gold in the deal, only a million US dollars. Would that keep you happy for awhile?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Mike(Mont)]

Well, it's true I could probably beat the challenge with just a frequency generator but I don't have enough money to hire a team of lawyers and even if I did it wouldn't matter. The rules say the final decision is up to their panel. I also know a million to one odds isn't good enough. Not even a million times a million. And I don't claim to be able to do any better than that and that's assuming there is no foul play like the stories I heard.

I don't know what tricks Carl has up his sleeve, but I suspect he has several deterents in place to block any signals. And I can't say I blame him. I wouldn't want to give away money for nothing, either.

[Geo]

So... there must be gold to find before you can get rich finding it?

Hmmmm...
Carl_NC offered to pay $25,000 for anyone who can find real gold that is guaranteed to be there. Yup, a real 10 ounce pure gold bar hidden in one of 10 locations. All you need to do is dowse which of the 10 locations it is hidden at 7 times of 10 tries, and you get to keep the 10 ounce bar. Then Carl will write you a check for $5000, and send the remaining $20,000 to you. And he doesn't care if you are using a dowsing rod or a long range locator.

So there's how you can get rich from dowsing and find gold that is really there. The only way you will get an empty hole is if you are not able to dowse the correct location. I suppose it's pretty easy when there are 10 markers to choose from instead of millions of acres of ground to cover. So go get rich..!

p.s. If $25,000 is not worth your while, why not try for a million in the Randi challenge. It's pretty much the same test except no free gold in the deal, only a million US dollars. Would that keep you happy for awhile?

Best wishes,
J_P


Hi J_P.

If i remember good, Esteban told to come to US with Alonso but he wanted at least 50000$. You told that now Carl is not able to give money..... right??????

Regards:)

[WM6]

I wouldn't want to give away money for nothing, either.



Fair. But you do not need to to give away his money for nothing.

It is enough to give us evidence that your dowsing method is working.

You can only cover all your costs (plus some gold coins as souvenir) from rewarded money and leave rest to owner. No ethical problems at all.

Seems that you do not believe enough in your dowsing method to undergone testing.

[Fred]

...I suspect he has several deterents in place to block any signals. And I can't say I blame him. I wouldn't want to give away money for nothing, either.

Yeah right...he makes a challenge but blocks the signal so it cant work.Just to make people spend money in airplane tickets or gas ?
Man, you really have problems.
You say you dont do drugs...or porno...well maybe you should.

[J_Player]

Well, it's true I could probably beat the challenge with just a frequency generator but I don't have enough money to hire a team of lawyers and even if I did it wouldn't matter. The rules say the final decision is up to their panel. I also know a million to one odds isn't good enough. Not even a million times a million. And I don't claim to be able to do any better than that and that's assuming there is no foul play like the stories I heard.

I don't know what tricks Carl has up his sleeve, but I suspect he has several deterents in place to block any signals. And I can't say I blame him. I wouldn't want to give away money for nothing, either.
So what evidence do you have there are tricks involved? Has Carl-NC ever used trickery in any of his testing?
This is a double blind test, where Carl is not permitted to be the test proctor. He can only be an observer who must pay the prize money to whoever proves they can dowse by finding the hidden gold bar. What way can Carl possibly block the signal? He doesn't even believe signals exist.
If you really think he will cheat you, then simply bring your friends along with their video cameras to record the whole thing, and post it on youtube.
It seems like a far stretch to make up BS that Carl could cheat on a double blind test.

Getting back to reality... There is no need for lawyers. This is a simple test to see if you can tell which of 10 locations a 10 ounce gold bar is hidden under. If you really can dowse, then tell which location the gold bar is every time, same as a metal detector can. And you will win the gold bar and $25,000. Simple. Odds are 100% you will win. No chance you can lose. So go win your money. Or if $25,000 is not enough, take the same test with Randi for a million dollars.
Of course, neither Carl or Randi will pay the prize money if you cannot locate where the gold bar is hidden.
So if you really can dowse, then take the test and find the gold bar every time.
Get rich, go home and be happy.

But if you can't dowse, then the odds get pretty high against guessing where the hidden gold bar is. You won't be able to guess where the gold bar is hidden more than 6 times out of 10 tries. If you are trying to convince people you can dowse when you really can't, than this would be a reason why you should accuse Carl of cheating before any test starts, and a reason to start claiming the odds are too high, and claim it is only a publicity stunt.

After all, if you really can dowse, won't you be able to locate the gold bar every time?

Best wishes,
J_P

[WM6]

If you really think he will cheat you, then simply bring your friends along with their video cameras to record the whole thing, and post it on youtube.



Bug detector are allowed too.



This is a double blind test, where Carl is not permitted to be the test proctor.



Very important:

Person(s) who buried the gold may not be so close during the search to be possible deduced from its facial expressions which point are hot or cold.

This is an old trick of trained and experienced circus artists, in which out of facial mimicry of viewers they found a box below which an object is hidden.

[Theseus]

I don't know what tricks Carl has up his sleeve, but I suspect he has several deterents in place to block any signals. And I can't say I blame him. I wouldn't want to give away money for nothing, either.

Tricks? To block signals...? What on earth are you talking about?

Exactly what are these "signals" you make reference to? Do you honestly think there are some sort of signals emanating from the target?

I can hardly believe after all these years, and after all the information you've been given both on this forum and many others; that you are still laboring under the misunderstanding that your dowsing rods (in combination with your worthless frequency generator) is actually operating under the guidance of something other than your own ideomotor response.

Wow! :shocked: :shocked:

Carl doesn't have to use tricks or so-called blocking mechanisms to retain his money. All he has to do is let you perform your normal dowsing routine, and he has no chance at all of losing his prize money.

Go for it, Mike! Show the world how accurate your dowsing is, and end this never-ending debate once and for all.

If you can....... :razz:

[J_Player]

Bug detector are allowed too.



Very important:

Person(s) who buried the gold may not be so close during the search to be possible deduced from its facial expressions which point are hot or cold.

This is an old trick of trained and experienced circus artists, in which out of facial mimicry of viewers they found a box below which an object is hidden.Hmmmm...
Is it possible the only tricksters are people who try to trick us into believing they can dowse? :shocked:

Best wishes,
J_P

[Theseus]

Very important:
Person(s) who buried the gold may not be so close during the search to be possible deduced from its facial expressions which point are hot or cold.


In a true test utilizing Double-blind protocol, that will not be a problem.

Carl's test would follow Double-blind protocol.

[Mike(Mont)]

I can never see collecting any money for supposedly demonstrating supernatural powers while using a frequency generator, with or without a locator rod. I certainly don't think it is supernatural anymore than tuning a radio station is.

The fact that I can detect a signal line to a target is only a matter of practice and heightened awareness to what my body is telling me. I've said many times you need some form of meditation to get the focus, and you need a positive attitude and confidence. These are the basics to just about any type of physical discipline--there is always the necessary psychological component. And you won't get it with whining, rationalizing, and blaming others or the equipment.

[Theseus]

I can never see collecting any money for supposedly demonstrating supernatural powers while using a frequency generator, with or without a locator rod. I certainly don't think it is supernatural anymore than tuning a radio station is.

Sorry you can't see the error in your thinking (belief system); though you are not the first to be tricked by the ideomotor effect. (...and you won't be the last)

The fact that I can detect a signal line to a target is only a matter of practice and heightened awareness to what my body is telling me. I've said many times you need some form of meditation to get the focus, and you need a positive attitude and confidence. These are the basics to just about any type of physical discipline--there is always the necessary psychological component. And you won't get it with whining, rationalizing, and blaming others or the equipment....whining, rationalizing, blaming others or the equipment????

Is that something you find yourself doing?

:shrug: I don't see anyone else doing those sorts of things.

[WM6]

I've said many times you need some form of meditation to get the focus, and you need a positive attitude and confidence. These are the basics to just about any type of physical discipline--there is always the necessary psychological component.



Here is about your skilled discipline, not others? Or are not?

I can believe in your positive attitude and confidence to get the dowsing focus in form of meditation.

But this not change anything.

If you cannot give to others evidence that your dowsing menthal art is working, all your claims what you can sense can be related only with, not so rare, hallucinations as collateral result of extensive meditations or drugs use.

[Mike(Mont)]

I guess maybe I should have said CHILD psychology.

[Theseus]

I guess maybe I should have said CHILD psychology.

Well, whatever you've had the most experience, and feel comfortable with.

:D

[J_Player]

I can never see collecting any money for supposedly demonstrating supernatural powers while using a frequency generator, with or without a locator rod. I certainly don't think it is supernatural anymore than tuning a radio station is.Yup....
I can never see you collecting any money while using a frequency generator, with or without a locator rod either.
Will anybody ever see you collecting money or anything else with it?

Maybe your facts about dowsing exist in your mind only, and cannot be demonstrated to be facts in front of any witnesses... :rolleyes:

Best wishes,
J_P

[Mike(Mont)]

Sorry, I don't talk about my treasure projects. As for drug usage, I just did a pre-employment drug and alcohol screen earlier this month (got the job). I guess I can understand you are envious of my locating ability. You funny.

Just like Jesus said that anyone could perform the miracles He did, if only you had as much faith as in His little finger. Also He said you need to frame questions for a yes/no answer. From what many people think, he went to India and became a Yoga master. There were about fifteen years unaccounted for in His life and this is about the normal amount of time needed for that. He was able to transcend the physical world. I'm starting to see how the skeptic and atheist are intertwined

[Theseus]

Yup....
I can never see you collecting any money while using a frequency generator, with or without a locator rod either.
Will anybody ever see you collecting money or anything else with it?

Maybe your facts about dowsing exist in your mind only, and cannot be demonstrated to be facts in front of any witnesses... :rolleyes:

Best wishes,
J_P

Doesn't want to talk about his (Mike) "locating projects" ????

I think I know why. :D

J_P, I'm not for certain, but I think Mike just made an "inference" that skeptics are atheists.

I'm starting to see how the skeptic and atheist are intertwined...I think mentally, he is more than just a little unstable, and certainly is very irritated about being questioned as to his dowsing abilities and obviously extremely paranoid in his thinking. I hope his future employer screens him for more than just drugs; a psychological evaluation would certainly reveal some interesting traits. :oh:

[Max]

Sorry, I don't talk about my treasure projects. As for drug usage, I just did a pre-employment drug and alcohol screen earlier this month (got the job). I guess I can understand you are envious of my locating ability. You funny.

Just like Jesus said that anyone could perform the miracles He did, if only you had as much faith as in His little finger. Also He said you need to frame questions for a yes/no answer. From what many people think, he went to India and became a Yoga master. There were about fifteen years unaccounted for in His life and this is about the normal amount of time needed for that. He was able to transcend the physical world. I'm starting to see how the skeptic and atheist are intertwined

There are tricks to pass the screens and got the job... :rolleyes:

But the best is pass them when under drugz... :lol:

You need to be more "creative" Mike... :D

[simonbaker]

Fun discussion, beats working...:)

I'm open to dowsing, but not for selling to others unless some kind of proven results, otherwise unethical:frown:.

I can imagine many ways dowsing can be "real". For example, dowsers may be good at finding "caches" hidden by other people. Why? Because they have an innate ability to guess where other people prefer to hide something. I'm sure people do not randomly pick places to hide caches -- they use some decision making process. Dowsers are very intuitive and can essentially project themselves into the mind-set of the hider, and make good guesses where it might be hidden.

Dowsers may also have a natural intuition about looking at the land and guessing where minerals might deposit or collect during the geological processes -- especially water flow.

Could dowsers be picking up other signals from the environment that help improve their guessing ability? Why not.

Dowsing may be a lot of fun -- after all, going outside and hunting is the real fun of metal detecting. The thrill of finding something adds to it, whether it was by accident or design. Dowsers surely find things occasionally, so it's got to be fun.

However, if you want to sell dowsing to other people for personal gain, I feel you ethically need to back up any claims you make with some sort of proof. If all you claim is that it is fun -- no problem!

On the other hand, enough people are skeptical of dowsing that to some degree the warnings are out there, and if you like to spend money to join a spiritual community -- ok, go ahead. It's like joining a church and putting money in the collection plate -- nobody proves God, yet many people do it for the value of being part of the spirtual community.

So non-believers don't need to bash dowsers too violently -- just keep doing scientific tests of dowsing and publishing the results so the general public is well-informed. And I would hope that dowsing marketers be honest and up-front about their claims - more disclaimers (your results may be different), etc.

But this is boring... so back to flame-throwing, much more entertaining!:D

-SB

[J_Player]

Fun discussion, beats working...:)

I'm open to dowsing, but not for selling to others unless some kind of proven results, otherwise unethical:frown:.

I can imagine many ways dowsing can be "real". For example, dowsers may be good at finding "caches" hidden by other people. Why? Because they have an innate ability to guess where other people prefer to hide something. I'm sure people do not randomly pick places to hide caches -- they use some decision making process. Dowsers are very intuitive and can essentially project themselves into the mind-set of the hider, and make good guesses where it might be hidden.

Dowsers may also have a natural intuition about looking at the land and guessing where minerals might deposit or collect during the geological processes -- especially water flow.

Could dowsers be picking up other signals from the environment that help improve their guessing ability? Why not.

Dowsing may be a lot of fun -- after all, going outside and hunting is the real fun of metal detecting. The thrill of finding something adds to it, whether it was by accident or design. Dowsers surely find things occasionally, so it's got to be fun.

However, if you want to sell dowsing to other people for personal gain, I feel you ethically need to back up any claims you make with some sort of proof. If all you claim is that it is fun -- no problem!

On the other hand, enough people are skeptical of dowsing that to some degree the warnings are out there, and if you like to spend money to join a spiritual community -- ok, go ahead. It's like joining a church and putting money in the collection plate -- nobody proves God, yet many people do it for the value of being part of the spirtual community.

So non-believers don't need to bash dowsers too violently -- just keep doing scientific tests of dowsing and publishing the results so the general public is well-informed. And I would hope that dowsing marketers be honest and up-front about their claims - more disclaimers (your results may be different), etc.

But this is boring... so back to flame-throwing, much more entertaining!:D

-SBHi simonbaker,

The argument against dowsing has been known for a long time. The argument is "if it works, then show us it working".
There are no dowsers submitting their "dowsing abilities" to scientific testing.
Why?
Because It makes them look silly when witnesses observe they can't dowse after hearing all their diatribe of how dowsing works.
The bashing you see here is mostly cases where some personal artifacts crept into the forum posts. But the argument remains the same:
If a person can dowse, then demonstrate it instead of talking about it.
People in a technical forum like to see a technically correct test of dowsing, like a double blind test, for example. Yet none of the self-proclaimed dowsers has ever demonstrated their dowsing abilities in front of witnesses from this forum to show that dowsing works.

Let's suppose Mike(Mont) is correct... that everyone has the ability, and it is an act of faith that will allow us to succeed.
Then send the faithful dowser to demonstrate how their faith allows them to dowse.

Or suppose dowsing supporters are correct when they say it works by using natural biological equipment in their body. Then let those supporters demonstrate how their natural biological equipment allows them to dowse.

Or suppose those who say only a few gifted people can dowse. Then send one of these gifted people to demonstrate how their gift allows them to dowse.

The fact is not a single person on earth has ever come to demonstrate dowsing to locate a hidden object to the people they try to convince in this forum.
Doesn't this make dowsing seem like a suspicious proposition?
Does it work as well as a Ouija board?
Does it work as well as holding a weather vane to see which way the wind blows the arrow?
We will never know because none of the self-proclaimed dowsing experts will demonstrate it to work.

I wouldn't worry about people getting challenged in this forum.
Remember the rules for this forum:

Rules are still simple:

You must be a registered user to post here. Guests may read.
Be polite. Name calling will get you banned quickly.
Be factual. If you make an extraordinary claim, be prepared to get challenged.

If somebody wants a good bashing, they know all they have to do is come here and make some extraordinary claims, then refuse to substantiate them. This is like a free therapy forum for people seeking masochism. Maybe it does some good. Maybe the people who come here feel they need a good bashing as punishment for something really bad they did. Or maybe they just get a feeling of fulfillment when they see people laugh at their ideas. Who knows?

They certainly have the option to not post here, or to post their dowsing claims in other forums where people don't expect them to substantiate anything they say. I guess this what makes some people happy. Maybe they like hearing the challenges.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Theseus]

Hi simonbaker,

<< things snipped >>

If somebody wants a good bashing, they know all they have to do is come here and make some extraordinary claims, then refuse to substantiate them. This is like a free therapy forum for people seeking masochism. Maybe it does some good. Maybe the people who come here feel they need a good bashing as punishment for something really bad they did. Or maybe they just get a feeling of fulfillment when they see people laugh at their ideas. Who knows?

They certainly have the option to not post here, or to post their dowsing claims in other forums where people don't expect them to substantiate anything they say. I guess this what makes some people happy. Maybe they like hearing the challenges.

Best wishes,
J_P

There is one other motive for posting here; some of the LRL sellers like to keep their name (and mention of their dowsing contraptions) popping up in dowsing forums. They do this as a part of their marketing scheme, and thus obtain free advertising. Their hope is that one or more gullible and technically-challenged individual will actually believe their wild claims and result in a future sale.

And, at the prices they charge for their contraptions, do-nothing frequency generators, paint-roller handles and PVC plumbing fittings - it only takes one fool with more money than common sense; to net them a handsome profit.

[Max]

There is one other motive for posting here; some of the LRL sellers like to keep their name (and mention of their dowsing contraptions) popping up in dowsing forums. They do this as a part of their marketing scheme, and thus obtain free advertising. Their hope is that one or more gullible and technically-challenged individual will actually believe their wild claims and result in a future sale.

And, at the prices they charge for their contraptions, do-nothing frequency generators, paint-roller handles and PVC plumbing fittings - it only takes one fool with more money than common sense; to net them a handsome profit.

Oh yeah!

Holy words!

And I will add the pendulum things to the list... the stuff Dell use to pinpoint treasures from his armchair... :lol:

[Dell Winders]

Sorry, I would never sell my magic needle & Thread pendulum for less than 10 cents, and you pay the shipping costs.

I read that Scientist conducting the latest brain wave studies have concluded that humans are psychic on a sub-conscious level. I don't argue with science, just serve as an example. Dell

[Theseus]

Sorry, I would never sell my magic needle & Thread pendulum for less than 10 cents, and you pay the shipping costs.

Dell

....and did you forget the 20% Restocking Fee on any and all refunds???

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[J_Player]

Sorry, I would never sell my magic needle & Thread pendulum for less than 10 cents, and you pay the shipping costs.

I read that Scientist conducting the latest brain wave studies have concluded that humans are psychic on a sub-conscious level. I don't argue with science, just serve as an example. DellUmmm....
Will you sell an Omnitron Pro-4 frequency discriminator for 10 cents if I pay the shipping costs?

ps. I think I am psychic on a subconscious level: Answer to my question is -- No. Correct?

Best wishes,

J_P

[Dell Winders]

....and did you forget the 20% Restocking Fee on any and all refunds???

You are confusing me with your friends who sell metal detectors. I don charge restocking fees. Dell

[Qiaozhi]

I read that Scientist conducting the latest brain wave studies have concluded that humans are psychic on a sub-conscious level. I don't argue with science, just serve as an example. Dell
Please supply the source of your information regarding these so-called "latest brain wave studies". Otherwise it is just hearsay ... or, as the Chinese say it: "tingshuo" ( 听说).

[Clondike Clad]

Sorry, I would never sell my magic needle & Thread pendulum for less than 10 cents, and you pay the shipping costs.

I read that Scientist conducting the latest brain wave studies have concluded that humans are psychic on a sub-conscious level. I don't argue with science, just serve as an example. Dell
ALL I CAN SAY YOU ARE ONE OF THE BEST.:shocked:

[Dell Winders]

Please supply the source of your information regarding these so-called "latest brain wave studies". Otherwise it is just hearsay ... or, as the Chinese say it: "tingshuo"

If you don't experience it for your self, everything you read, or hear, is hearsay.

A few years ago some one posted on TNET that they found Gold, with an Omnitron, and posted a bunch of photos. It was reported to be Spanish, circa 1623, totaling 97 pounds.

Since neither of us personally experienced it, it is just hearsay. Right? :lol:
Dell

[Max]

If you don't experience it for your self, everything you read, or hear, is hearsay.

A few years ago some one posted on TNET that they found Gold, with an Omnitron, and posted a bunch of photos. It was reported to be Spanish, circa 1623, totaling 97 pounds.

Since neither of us personally experienced it, it is just hearsay. Right? :lol:
Dell

What else ? :D

[Theseus]

A few years ago some one posted on TNET that they found Gold, with an Omnitron, and posted a bunch of photos. It was reported to be Spanish, circa 1623, totaling 97 pounds.
Dell

Since there is no physical way an Omnitron dowsing contraption could contribute to the find; if the the gold was in fact found, it would have been found anyway without the use of a dowsing contraption. In other words, it was merely happenstance the finder owned an Omnitron.

Like when someone goes to dig in their garden to plant something and they stumble onto a buried Mason jar of coins, secreted by a previous owner.

:D

[Qiaozhi]

Please supply the source of your information regarding these so-called "latest brain wave studies". Otherwise it is just hearsay ... or, as the Chinese say it: "tingshuo" ( 听说).

If you don't experience it for your self, everything you read, or hear, is hearsay.

A few years ago some one posted on TNET that they found Gold, with an Omnitron, and posted a bunch of photos. It was reported to be Spanish, circa 1623, totaling 97 pounds.

Since neither of us personally experienced it, it is just hearsay. Right? :lol:
Dell
In other words ... you are unable to substantiate your claim that the "latest brain wave studies" concluded that humans are psychic on a subconscious level.

Perhaps you imagined the whole thing. :rolleyes:

[Dell Winders]

Since there is no physical way an Omnitron dowsing contraption could contribute to the find;

:shocked: Were you there? Stupid is, as stupid thinks. Dell

[Theseus]

:shocked: Were you there? Stupid is, as stupid thinks. Dell

Being present during the "find"(?) is not a requirement. Knowing the Omnitron played no role in the find(?) comes from the fact that I already know what the Omnitron does not do.

Chief among the things it does not do, is aid the searcher in a positive way whatsoever.

It would have the same influence as carrying a stone in your pocket.

:razz:

[Dell Winders]

Being present during the "find"(?) is not a requirement. Knowing the Omnitron played no role in the find(?) comes from the fact that I already know what the Omnitron does not do.

Chief among the things it does not do, is aid the searcher in a positive way whatsoever.

It would have the same influence as carrying a stone in your pocket.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Theseus, your stupidity is showing. In thousands of acres of wilderness, how could they possibly know what direction to go, and know exactly where to stop directly over the target and dig there? Chance Guessing? Only in your hallucinations.

"Stupid is, as Stupid thinks and does, and you are certainly the Geotech poster boy for stupidity. Dell

[Qiaozhi]

This is the third time of asking Dell this question:

In other words ... you are unable to substantiate your claim that the "latest brain wave studies" concluded that humans are psychic on a subconscious level.

Perhaps you imagined the whole thing. :rolleyes:
Is your selective memory at work again, or are you just incapable of answering this simple question? :shrug:

[J_Player]

This is the third time of asking Dell this question:


Is your selective memory at work again, or are you just incapable of answering this simple question? :shrug:Maybe Dell conducted the studies and made the conclusions?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Theseus]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Theseus, your stupidity is showing. In thousands of acres of wilderness, how could they possibly know what direction to go, and know exactly where to stop directly over the target and dig there? Chance Guessing? Only in your hallucinations.

"Stupid is, as Stupid thinks and does, and you are certainly the Geotech poster boy for stupidity. Dell

Your attention and childish retorts to my remarks indicates I have scored another direct hit on your scam schemes. I am elated! Thank you for the honest feedback; it helps me to tailor and shape my future comments so they will have maximum effect.

But I really don't deserve all the credit, there are several others here who can read you like an open book and are well aware of your feeble tactics to take advantage of the gullible and technically-challenged.

Speaking of stupidity...... probably a little analogy is in order. If basic stupidity were a teacup, you would be the Hoover Dam.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Theseus]

Maybe Dell conducted the studies and made the conclusions?

Best wishes,
J_P

This has been his MO for a very long time now. He is good at making all kinds of assertions and then never backing them up when fairly questioned.

Dell has got more dance steps than an Arthur Murray instructor. :D

[Jim]

Being present during the "find"(?) is not a requirement. Knowing the Omnitron played no role in the find(?) comes from the fact that I already know what the Omnitron does not do.

Chief among the things it does not do, is aid the searcher in a positive way whatsoever.

It would have the same influence as carrying a stone in your pocket.

:razz:

Sad, in a way, when someone has to use an internet forum such as TreasureNet as a reference.

There have been reports on TreasureNet that the lost city of Atlantis has been found by one of its members, that a legendarily lost silver mine in Mexico has been found by one of its members, that a large Knights of the Golden Circle depository has been found by one of its members. There are also members reporting finds in regards to the Yama****a legend in the Philippines.

The thing about TreasureNet…is that you are allowed to post the most outlandish claims of finding treasure…and the membership is not allowed to dispute that claim.

The only thing that is not reported on TreasureNet is Dell Winders bogus LRL devices. The owner has warned Dell Winders he will no longer be allowed to post there (read: banned) should he enter a discussion about his LRL products, or try to slip in links to his website.

That speaks volumes…when the largest treasure hunting forum on the internet threatens Dell Winders with being banished because of his woo products.

[Qiaozhi]

Sad, in a way, when someone has to use an internet forum such as TreasureNet as a reference.

There have been reports on TreasureNet that the lost city of Atlantis has been found by one of its members, that a legendarily lost silver mine in Mexico has been found by one of its members, that a large Knights of the Golden Circle depository has been found by one of its members. There are also members reporting finds in regards to the Yama****a legend in the Philippines.

The thing about TreasureNet…is that you are allowed to post the most outlandish claims of finding treasure…and the membership is not allowed to dispute that claim.

The only thing that is not reported on TreasureNet is Dell Winders bogus LRL devices. The owner has warned Dell Winders he will no longer be allowed to post there (read: banned) should he enter a discussion about his LRL products, or try to slip in links to his website.

That speaks volumes…when the largest treasure hunting forum on the internet threatens Dell Winders with being banished because of his woo products.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
In other words ... we will never get a sensible answer regarding references to these so-called "latest brainwave studies". :rolleyes:

[Dell Winders]

Please supply the source of your information regarding these so-called "latest brain wave studies". Otherwise it is just hearsay ... or, as the Chinese say it: "tingshuo"

I did point out the stupidity, and hypocrisy of your lame comment, when you rationalize that anything posted by someone other than your self, or your cohorts as being nothing more than hearsay.

Sadly, because of your mentality, "The door to knowledge and new ideas is never open to a closed, or prejudiced mind". Dell

[Jim]

:lol: :lol: :lol:
In other words ... we will never get a sensible answer regarding references to these so-called "latest brainwave studies". :rolleyes:

You know it. Just tons of the usual crap.

[Qiaozhi]

I did point out the stupidity, and hypocrisy of your lame comment, when you rationalize that anything posted by someone other than your self, or your cohorts as being nothing more than hearsay.

Sadly, because of your mentality, "The door to knowledge and new ideas is never open to a closed, or prejudiced mind". Dell
As I surmised ... you are unable to answer the question, as you made up the whole thing. :notalk: This appears to be your usual operandi. i.e. Making bold statements which cannot subsequently be confirmed by reference to the source.

And "yes", your statement is simply hearsay unless you can quote the reference to back up your claims.

Case closed.

:razz: "WHAT DOESN'T WORK, CANNOT BE MADE TO WORK" :razz:

[Morgan]

You have some pics of the pistol here:


Hello Esteban

I´m analizing this resonating chamber...

The tube with the sample...The sample is connected somewhere ?

Regards

[Morgan]

Hello Esteban

I´m analizing this resonating chamber...

The tube with the sample...The sample is connected somewhere ?

Regards

???

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[Morgan]

???

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This antenna is useful to adapt in the Electrostatic LRL.
Inside the tube exist gold sample.

The circuit can be very easy,and possible no need the BFO to work as LRL,someone can try this circuit.

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[Morgan]

???

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The box should be in wood or this LRL not work.
Any plastics not aloud the circuit to work.
This is similar to Zahori but more simple.
The antenna L1 and L2 can be like in this picture.

[Morgan]

???

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The GOLD or SILVER sample in the L1 antenna is the anode

The big L2 antenna connected to GND is the cathod

This works as IONIC CHAMBER.

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[FrancoItaly]

Hi Morgan
It is a your supposition or you have seen the pistol ? I think that in Mineoro lrl the big coil it is connected to a RX stage and the TX coil it's around the gold sensor.

Best Regards

[ODM]

The box should be in wood or this LRL not work.
Any plastics not aloud the circuit to work.
Will plywood be ok or does the wood need to be solid wood?

And glue/screws? Will non plastic glues like caseine work better?

[Morgan]

Hi Morgan
It is a your supposition or you have seen the pistol ? I think that in Mineoro lrl the big coil it is connected to a RX stage and the TX coil it's around the gold sensor.

Best Regards


In Mineoro DCH 85 the BIG coil is the RF concentrator not connect nothing,and the SMALL coil connect gold sample and to RECEIVER circuit ,as you can see in the picture(blue Pistoldetector) by Esteban,and finaly exist one OSCILLATOR to stimulate(increase) the coil with sample for more range.
But this MINEORO circuit its not for put public here,is R patent.
The biger DC series have diferent configuration.

[Morgan]

Will plywood be ok or does the wood need to be solid wood?

And glue/screws? Will non plastic glues like caseine work better?

All wood materials are good,the metal not afect if in small quantity,any kind of plastic afect becouse of static charge and overload this LRL.

Other important thing,better use buzzer than speaker.

[Morgan]

Will plywood be ok or does the wood need to be solid wood?

And glue/screws? Will non plastic glues like caseine work better?


R8 47 K is the GAIN control

This LRL is not good for small objects,it will work with big electrostatic fields,TREASURES.

[Morgan]

???

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[Funfinder]

Thx Morgan that you brought this thread back to ontopic.

[GOLDENSKULL]

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Hi Morgan,
Did your LRL device can detect long time buried treasure ???!!!

[Morgan]

Hi Morgan,
Did your LRL device can detect long time buried treasure ???!!!

I advance too much if i say direct yes,this is experimental
Yes,according size,but only BIG objects who produce uderground electromagnetic fields,these can be locateted with any electromagnetic field locator with correct frequency and antenna.
When i use my prototype with BFO,i found some large objects (copper) buried long time ago and a few meters distance,they was not deep.
But when have time i will make better antennas to avoid radio station signal(sometimes it catch radio) and concentrate for the small objects.

[Morgan]

I advance too much if i say direct yes,this is experimental
Yes,according size,but only BIG objects who produce uderground electromagnetic fields,these can be locateted with any electromagnetic field locator with correct frequency and antenna.
When i use my prototype with BFO,i found some large objects (copper) buried long time ago and a few meters distance,they was not deep.
But when have time i will make better antennas to avoid radio station signal(sometimes it catch radio) and concentrate for the small objects.


Here is some improvments for simplificate the project.
This was made by forum member Funfinder.
He get the way to detect silver ring direct from the electrostatic circuit,he use special directional antenna.
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[Morgan]

Hi Morgan,
Did your LRL device can detect long time buried treasure ???!!!


Have a look on thread ICONOS MD 807,and see the videos .

[Funfinder]

@ GOLDENSKULL
Here you will find the actual newest schematics:

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=112152&postcount=9

and as directional antenna you can try out some flat metal object or a coil - perhaps also a telescop-antenna. I haven't had time yet for finding out the best directional antenna solution - perhaps also some AM radio ferrite coils would work good.
Not forget about some grounded shielding around the antenna.

[Morgan]

@ GOLDENSKULL
Here you will find the actual newest schematics:

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=112152&postcount=9

and as directional antenna you can try out some flat metal object or a coil - perhaps also a telescop-antenna. I haven't had time yet for finding out the best directional antenna solution - perhaps also some AM radio ferrite coils would work good.
Not forget about some grounded shielding around the antenna.


Hello

The combination of both circuits BFO+IONIC,is not so bad,just need better directional antenna . I will try to improve this project and give results here.
As i remember it was forum members Humhum and Detectoman said it works great.Of course,its not good as the Pistoldetektor,but as i told found big copper objects some meters distance,and remember one old zinc plate give also signals.This is more experimental,and it will be great if we can make it work more simple without BFO...

Regards

[WM6]

@ GOLDENSKULL
Here you will find the actual newest schematics:

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=112152&postcount=9

and as directional antenna you can try out some flat metal object or a coil - perhaps also a telescop-antenna. I haven't had time yet for finding out the best directional antenna solution - perhaps also some AM radio ferrite coils would work good.
Not forget about some grounded shielding around the antenna.



Those are is decade old schematics and well known.

Here you are really actual and newest schematic of PD pistol by Funfinder:

[nelson]

Hi Morgan.
Can you give me the working frequency of the detector?
Has a hamradio entusiast, I have some antenna modeling expirence and may be i can help on, developing a suitable antenna for this divice.

Regards

Nelson


Hello

The combination of both circuits BFO+IONIC,is not so bad,just need better directional antenna . I will try to improve this project and give results here.
As i remember it was forum members Humhum and Detectoman said it works great.Of course,its not good as the Pistoldetektor,but as i told found big copper objects some meters distance,and remember one old zinc plate give also signals.This is more experimental,and it will be great if we can make it work more simple without BFO...

Regards

[humhum]

Hi to All , this modifcation version is more good for Electrostatic Swivel Antenna .

http://www.teknolojiekibi.com/yeni/index.php?topic=1809.0

[Morgan]

Hi Morgan.
Can you give me the working frequency of the detector?
Has a hamradio entusiast, I have some antenna modeling expirence and may be i can help on, developing a suitable antenna for this divice.

Regards

Nelson


Hi Nelson

I would like to help you but not have any osciloscope...

Regards

[WM6]

Hi Nelson

I would like to help you but not have any osciloscope...

Regards

Hi Morgan,

here you are to download PC scope (and much more) for free:

http://www.sillanumsoft.org/prod01.htm

different solution of test probe to DIY:

http://i69.servimg.com/u/f69/14/09/85/82/probe12.jpg

[nelson]

Ok Morgan, so i will try to get componets to build the FET version and then i will try to measure the frequency.
Regards
Nelson


Hi Nelson

I would like to help you but not have any osciloscope...

Regards

[Funfinder]

@ GOLDENSKULL @ nelson

Here are my final schematics:

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=112525&postcount=59

[mehdi]

@ GOLDENSKULL @ nelson

Here are my final schematics:

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=112525&postcount=59

hi funfinder
i built your fet version but the led light every time and no sound in headphone!!!:frown::frown::frown::frown::angry:
i use 2n3819 and bc547
please help me
mehdi

[student]

hai morgan,

The circuit will detect static energy material in underground, for how long it will detect?. Is it possible to make permanent static energy?. Shall you make lrl static energy detector i will pay fee for it,

I will ask the person who was mixing the two circuits. But i think its not only to pinpoint the objects located by the ionic. In my experiments,they react together to targets.

[roccocoin]

Esteban,
What is the problem of people knowing how to build it ? they are not going to search for YOUR treasures, so why don´t you want to give all the details?
And even if Chineses company are making it, you will be the one that invented it.
Like Da Vinci and the helicopter :lol:
Regards,
Fred.


hello fred, and I know these real jealous of their proposed projects and not make public a full and fair single project without errors, I follow this forum I built a 2 pdk TOTEM and another type but do not work either, and then they fooled uinutile if you do not want to post and been shut up so I'd better not take away from italy your treasure ....... ok?







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[Qiaozhi]

I follow this forum I built a 2 pdk TOTEM and another type but do not work either,
What do you mean when you say the TOTeM did not work?
Did it not function as described, or did you just not find any treasure?

Here is a video from one of the members here who has successfully built TOTeM ->
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2fHEahaZNg
As you can see, it does work.


http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/7971/totemreduced2.jpg

[roccocoin]

What do you mean when you say the TOTeM did not work?
Did it not function as described, or did you just not find any treasure?

Here is a video from one of the members here who has successfully built TOTeM ->
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2fHEahaZNg
As you can see, it does work.


http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/7971/totemreduced2.jpg







hello, when I say it does not work to say that does not work, no that did not find the treasure, too much confusion of ideas and too many errors, and does not mean that one has built it and it works, you have to help even those who are not so good at otherwise, an electronic forum what is?







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[roccocoin]

I also wanted * Add : Of course I 'll buy the book inside the metal detector with you , but my question, and if each one has to buy the book in order to build a KDP or lrl the forum then you can also close to a person who serves as me being Italian also calls for an information and almost no one answers ? only jocelito was helping me but you said that there was much more important in the forum to do, and that's the point , the point of a public forum and to let you help those who are not so good in electronics to build a KDP , and then you need to publish a goal or a project with errors ? I live in Italy mica will take away your gold? and then gold I do not care crisis in Italy there , I seek a KDP that can detect even the bronze , so if you have a pdk that suits me opubblicate the entire project complete and without errors, then I'll if I'm wrong and why you do not understand what that one post in a project, it is not clear how much of a tx and the diameter , it is not clear where the ferrite interferes with the rx, you are jealous of your projects , but then again I I'm Italian and I do not wear away your tesoro.ciao and good day to all







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[hung]

What do you mean when you say the TOTeM did not work?
Did it not function as described, or did you just not find any treasure?

Here is a video from one of the members here who has successfully built TOTeM ->
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2fHEahaZNg
As you can see, it does work.




Ozzy, you are really pathetic.

So, when some guy appears in a video with that thing making random beeps to a tree, you present it as proof that your atari works as LRL, but after several videos available in the net showing devices fer instance, such as mineoro, okm, PD, etc. actually detecting gold or silver, you claim it 'can't possibly work'? :lol:

See how pathetic your are?
Check your schematic and your circuit. You know it will not detect gold. It's just a noise amplifier randomly made. In reality, what you and carlie tried to accomplish was a marketing hype to help the sales of your 'book'. And it did not work. People are not that idiot as you and him may think.
Show the audience your own self made version of this atari in action, instead of watching in your armchair the naives wasting their time and effort to produce it in vain.
Of course, you would not waste your 'precious' time to build such a thing, would you?

[Qiaozhi]

I also wanted * Add : Of course I 'll buy the book inside the metal detector with you , but my question, and if each one has to buy the book in order to build a KDP or lrl the forum then you can also close to a person who serves as me being Italian also calls for an information and almost no one answers ? only jocelito was helping me but you said that there was much more important in the forum to do, and that's the point , the point of a public forum and to let you help those who are not so good in electronics to build a KDP , and then you need to publish a goal or a project with errors ? I live in Italy mica will take away your gold? and then gold I do not care crisis in Italy there , I seek a KDP that can detect even the bronze , so if you have a pdk that suits me opubblicate the entire project complete and without errors, then I'll if I'm wrong and why you do not understand what that one post in a project, it is not clear how much of a tx and the diameter , it is not clear where the ferrite interferes with the rx, you are jealous of your projects , but then again I I'm Italian and I do not wear away your tesoro.ciao and good day to all
I can understand you asking technical questions concerning TOTeM if you had purchased the book and were having problems with the construction. But I don't understand how you can be asking questions about the TX coil diameter and coil balancing if you do not have the original information. I can only assume you have somehow obtained a scan of the TOTeM schematic, and are attempting to build a unit from that. In which case you are unlikely to receive any help from the forum.

In case you have some sort of wrong impression concerning TOTeM, please be aware that the name stands for Trick Of The Mind.

Here is a quote from the Conclusion section:
"Unlike the original PD, the TOTeM project is easily replicated with a little care and attention. It easily passes all the laboratory-based tests used by LRL experimenters, and certainly appears to react in the same way as the device shown in the internet videos. Whether it will lead you to treasure or not is maybe another story, but at least you will have the opportunity to explore the pseudo-scientific world of long range locators for yourself, and make up your own mind on the matter."

Remember: "Here there be dragons!"

[Qiaozhi]

Ozzy, you are really pathetic.

So, when some guy appears in a video with that thing making random beeps to a tree, you present it as proof that your atari works as LRL, but after several videos available in the net showing devices fer instance, such as mineoro, okm, PD, etc. actually detecting gold or silver, you claim it 'can't possibly work'? :lol:

See how pathetic your are?
Check your schematic and your circuit. You know it will not detect gold. It's just a noise amplifier randomly made. In reality, what you and carlie tried to accomplish was a marketing hype to help the sales of your 'book'. And it did not work. People are not that idiot as you and him may think.
Show the audience your own self made version of this atari in action, instead of watching in your armchair the naives wasting their time and effort to produce it in vain.
Of course, you would not waste your 'precious' time to build such a thing, would you?
The image shown in post #407 is the original TOTeM that was successfully built and tested. You should also read post #410 very carefully in order to get your facts right. Books sales, by the way, are going extremely well. The LRL and pistol detector chapters are only a side issue as far as the book is concerned, and were included for completeness to acquaint readers with the true facts (something you will probably not understand) and to save the technically challenged from having their wallets mined.

[hung]

"(LOOP) DISCLAIMER: This 'book' covers an old and outdated technology that is 100 years old, but please, buy our book. We need to pay the rent. This book is about floor polishers (aka metal detectors). We have included a LRL project 'out of the blue', just to attract suckers into buying it. This LRL does not work. We do not know how to build one that works. But then we needed to sell a book on outdated technology and we have included a LRL project 'out of the blue' just to attract suckers into buying the book. We need to pay the rent. And... start from line#1 again."

-ozzy and carlie-

[Qiaozhi]

You're just jealous. :razz:

[pablo72]

"(LOOP) DISCLAIMER: This 'book' covers an old and outdated technology that is 100 years old, but please, buy our book. We need to pay the rent. This book is about floor polishers (aka metal detectors). We have included a LRL project 'out of the blue', just to attract suckers into buying it. This LRL does not work. We do not know how to build one that works. But then we needed to sell a book on outdated technology and we have included a LRL project 'out of the blue' just to attract suckers into buying the book. We need to pay the rent. And... start from line#1 again."

-ozzy and carlie-

:lol::lol::lol: very funy Mr.hung!:thumb:

[roccocoin]

hello, sorry but in this project there are 2 pcb and the speaker or buzzer is connected on both sideburns? I do not understand.

[GYJ99999]

Hi dear Morgan: hello
LRL Ionic/Electrostatic energy field locator principle diagram of the circuit diagram to me? I'm a fan treasure from China, my email address: 122112114 @qq.com hope to receive your E-mail.
greetings

[Agraz]

http://i58.tinypic.com/120s08z.jpg

[Saiman]

6770

Morgan hai, hai all.
I have a little problem with the value of capacitor C12.
How Did The real value? 12.5uf? or 2.5uf, or 25uf.
Help me. The real value for c12

[Saiman]

6770

I made PCB1_B.RF.OSCILLATOR, circuit I uploaded here.
help me check this circuit.
And how do we know this circuit alive, or can be used

[Morgan]

Hello

I have a brand new MINEORO PDC-210 Super, for sale,it belons to a friend and he sell for only 1500Euro, if someone interested let me know.

[Morgan]

hello, sorry but in this project there are 2 pcb and the speaker or buzzer is connected on both sideburns? I do not understand.

sorry for the delay, speaker 1 and 2 are cable connections to the BFO circuit who have the speaker.

[Morgan]

I made PCB1_B.RF.OSCILLATOR, circuit I uploaded here.
help me check this circuit.
And how do we know this circuit alive, or can be used

sorry for the long delay, I have built both circuits of this LRL and they work,there is no mistakes there.

regards

[zakari]

sorry for the long delay, I have built both circuits of this LRL and they work,there is no mistakes there.

regards
hi morgan

can you more explain about antennas

best regards

[Morgan]

yes,I would like to explain more about this project, I need to check my notes about this LRL.
This is a simple metal detector type BFO connected to some sort of ion locator circuit, it was good to locate the long time ago buried gold or silver objects, but as I remember the problem is the BFOs drift a lot and we need to readjust the locator very often for stability.

[Morgan]

the correct value for the C12 is 125 uF 16v, you can check the material list in the first page of the thread.

[Morgan]

hi morgan

can you more explain about antennas

best regards




L2= 18 cm x 11 cm BFO coil made of 12 or 15 turns,wire 0,25 mm. No Faraday Shield.


PCB2

L1= Big Aluminium Antenna 22 cm x 30 cm(ion detector 1)
L2=Small single turn,copper antenna 8cm x 4cm ,Ion detector 2(this one fixed in the wood box,behind the BFO coil).

[Morgan]

Morgan hai, hai all.
I have a little problem with the value of capacitor C12.
How Did The real value? 12.5uf? or 2.5uf, or 25uf.
Help me. The real value for c12

the correct value for the C12 is 125 uF 16v, you can check the material list in the first page of the thread.

[Morgan]

Hi dear Morgan: hello
LRL Ionic/Electrostatic energy field locator principle diagram of the circuit diagram to me? I'm a fan treasure from China, my email address: 122112114 @qq.com hope to receive your E-mail.
greetings

hello

you can see all information about this locator , it starts in the first page of the thread.

[ozanmelih]

Hello Mr. Morgan. Nice to see you again. What kind of LRL do you use for now? May you share some photos for us please?

[zakari]

L2= 18 cm x 11 cm BFO coil made of 12 or 15 turns,wire 0,25 mm. No Faraday Shield.


PCB2

L1= Big Aluminium Antenna 22 cm x 30 cm(ion detector 1)
L2=Small single turn,copper antenna 8cm x 4cm ,Ion detector 2(this one fixed in the wood box,behind the BFO coil).

thank you so much dear morgan

[Morgan]

Hello Mr. Morgan. Nice to see you again. What kind of LRL do you use for now? May you share some photos for us please?

19950

19951

19952

[abdou2014]

Nice work Mr Morgan, can you share with us this project :)

[Dubulumach]

6798
PCB1

L2= 18 cm x 11 cm BFO coil made of 12 or 15 turns,wire 0,25 mm. No Faraday Shield.


PCB2

L1= Big Aluminium Antenna 22 cm x 30 cm(ion detector 1)
L2=Small single turn,copper antenna 8cm x 4cm ,Ion detector 2(this one fixed in the wood box,behind the BFO coil).


Hello Morgan

Did you found any Gold or Silver piece with this LRL?

Answer welcomed. :)

Best wishes
Dubulumach
South Serbia
East Balkan

[Dubulumach]

TO EVERYBODY WHO DECIDE TO CONSTRUCT THE LRL BFO ANTENNAS,SHOULD SEND TO ME PM FOR MORE INFORMATION.:)

I am very interesting to test your BFO LRL.

Go comfortable and send me all informations including tuning, You have my email
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ps: Maybe it could be drastically improved ....:)

Best wishes
Dubulumach

[abdou2014]

i see patch antenna not coil :D i think 3Hz to 80Hz bandwidth :D

[Dubulumach]

i see patch antenna not coil :D i think 3Hz to 80Hz bandwidth :D

Maybe Morgan need implement an ASAR antenna concept ?

ASAR - Active synthetic aperture antenna with full control of gold scanning beam ? :lol:

[Geo]

19952

Same pcb with Iconos (same schematic with simple version of DCH85).
So for me PDK 2.1 or 2.2 is much better than PDK 3.0

[humhum]

Same pcb with Iconos (same schematic with simple version of DCH85).
So for me PDK 2.1 or 2.2 is much better than PDK 3.0


Dear Geo , Does you have İconos schematic for Publish here ?

[Geo]

Dear Geo , Does you have İconos schematic for Publish here ?

Hi.
Sorry but i have not it .
Before 2...3 years a crash at my hard disk destroed a lot of files (schematics) and i never looked to find them because my interesting for detectors has stop to be big...

:)