Dogs and MFD's

[Mike(Mont)]

What allows a dog to detect an MFD signal line? One person told me his dog would go right to the target the instant he turned on the transmitter. Another said his dog would lie down on the signal line. I started thinking maybe there is something to this. I have read that dogs lie down in areas of "good energy" (cats are just the opposite). I don't know if this has anything to do with it. Typically most people get an uncomfortable feeling when they are on the line. This might be the reason some people claim they can't locate the line--they subconsciously avoid it like cats do.

Both these people say there is absolutely no question their dog picks up the signal. One said it was humorous how the dog acted. It would sometimes get a confused look on it's face when standing near the line, like it couldn't decide for sure before finding it. Then the dog would lie down with it's head right on the line and give the look that this is the line. I tried to find out how the dog was trained, but all I got was that the owner praised the dog and took it for a walk as a reward after success. I never got back to the other guy. I have jokingly suggested to wrap a treat in gold foil and use it for a target. I suspect most dogs are too smart for this trick, but it might be worth a try.

[Max]

What allows a dog to detect an MFD signal line? One person told me his dog would go right to the target the instant he turned on the transmitter. Another said his dog would lie down on the signal line. I started thinking maybe there is something to this. I have read that dogs lie down in areas of "good energy" (cats are just the opposite). I don't know if this has anything to do with it. Typically most people get an uncomfortable feeling when they are on the line. This might be the reason some people claim they can't locate the line--they subconsciously avoid it like cats do.

Both these people say there is absolutely no question their dog picks up the signal. One said it was humorous how the dog acted. It would sometimes get a confused look on it's face when standing near the line, like it couldn't decide for sure before finding it. Then the dog would lie down with it's head right on the line and give the look that this is the line. I tried to find out how the dog was trained, but all I got was that the owner praised the dog and took it for a walk as a reward after success. I never got back to the other guy. I have jokingly suggested to wrap a treat in gold foil and use it for a target. I suspect most dogs are too smart for this trick, but it might be worth a try.

So... do you feel more like a cat or a dog ? :D

[Theseus]

My, my, my... a signal line hunting/finding dog. What next?

Do you suppose the dog has to have an empty stomach before it will work? :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

This guy obviously has toooooooo much time on his hands.

Mike, have you ever stopped to consider how much money you could've made just getting a legitimate job, instead of chasing pipe dreams all day with a bent wire? :rolleyes:

[Mike(Mont)]

I figured you wouldn't believe it. That's one of the reasons you have trouble with this subject. Doubts and fears are an impassable obstacle for you. I admit the one guy said his dog would dig up the cache and one might attribute this to the dog smelling the spot. But the other guy said the dog laid down on the signal line there is nothing to trace it back to other than the signal line itself. The guy said the dog was more accurate than he was. I don't know, maybe the dog sensed the owner's aura or something, sort of a biological GSR device. One time he said he searched for twenty minutes and the dog laid down on the same spot the whole time. He eventually "took the dog's word for it" and sure enough it was right on the line.

[Mike(Mont)]

Yes, I've spent many hours messing with the locators and I can't imagine my life without them. I've learned a lot and love to share my thoughts on the subject. You, on the other hand, haven't learned a thing. You convinced yourself they don't work and there is nothing left for you to learn.

It would be interesting to see what would happen if you did hook up a GSR unit to the dog.

[Fred]

I have jokingly suggested to wrap a treat in gold foil and use it for a target.
I can´t help thinking of far future treasure hunters wondering about uses of ancient civilisations wrapping bones in gold foils...

[Theseus]

I figured you wouldn't believe it. That's one of the reasons you have trouble with this subject. Doubts and fears are an impassable obstacle for you.

Trouble with this subject? Doubts? Fears? I have no idea what you have reference to. I understand this subject perfectly. It's just a wild guess, but based on your postings, I'd say you are the one whose life contains a lot of doubts, fears, low self-esteem and a large helping of paranoia.

Are you and your dogs like Silvia Brown? A clairvoyant over the Internet?

By the way, did you ever dig down to see what a signal line looks like? What do you suppose it looks like? Is it electrical in nature, or would it be more like a physical piece of thread that is composed of little ions, all lined up in a row? :rolleyes:

[Qiaozhi]

Yes, I've spent many hours messing with the locators and I can't imagine my life without them. I've learned a lot and love to share my thoughts on the subject.
On the contrary, you have learned nothing. Instead, you have fallen hook, line and sinker for the pseudo-scientific claptrap bandied about by the purveyors of dowsing and LRL nonsense.
I guess your mindset is now completely closed to any rational explanations for your subjective experiences.

[Theseus]

On the contrary, you have learned nothing. Instead, you have fallen hook, line and sinker for the pseudo-scientific claptrap bandied about by the purveyors of dowsing and LRL nonsense.
I guess your mindset is now completely closed to any rational explanations for your subjective experiences.

You know... it's sad really. That in this day and age, there are folks like Mike that can be completely bamboozled by scammers like Dell.

I often wonder what they did instead of paying attention to their 7th Grade Science teacher. :rolleyes:

[Mike(Mont)]

Fear and doubt are a dowser's worst enemy. They both originate inside the person. I read somewhere that the negative emotions are ten times more powerful than positive emotions. I'm not sure about that, but they certainly cancel out anything positive. If you have doubts about what I say you don't have a chance with dowsing. There are many fears that stop a would-be dowser dead in their tracks. One is peer pressure, what would your friends say? You ridicule others and you don't want anyone doing it to you. Other fears include what you have been programmed to believe. Maybe there is a curse? or God will punish you, or whatever.

[Qiaozhi]

If you have doubts about what I say you don't have a chance with dowsing.
Theseus is correct in his analysis. You have learned nothing from visiting this forum, and probably never will.

Maybe there is a curse? or God will punish you, or whatever.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
I'm wetting myself with fear!!
:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Theseus]

Yeah, right... Mike. God is going to punish me for being skeptical of, and fully understanding the art and practice of dowsing.

Where do you come up with this crap? (rhetorical)

Since you talk so much about fear and doubt, I rather imagine you are speaking from first-hand experience.

Did you ever consider that maybe you've read one or two books too many? From the way you carry on about this topic; I'd say you could benefit from a little psychological counseling.

Why don't you read a little about Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. You might recognize yourself as the poster boy for OCD.

[joecoin]

Mike,

What kind of dog was it?

[Mike(Mont)]

I know but I do not feel I should say. Two different breeds, so probably any smart dog could learn. Chow Chows probably aren't smart enough, at least that is my experience. Someone once told me dogs with a lump on the top of their head means they are intelligent, bigger lump, more intelligent. Some people just have a subconscious link with animals.

[Max]

I know but I do not feel I should say. Two different breeds, so probably any smart dog could learn. Chow Chows probably aren't smart enough, at least that is my experience. Someone once told me dogs with a lump on the top of their head means they are intelligent, bigger lump, more intelligent. Some people just have a subconscious link with animals.

But I still don't understand... do you feel more like a cat or a dog ? :lol:

[J_Player]

I tried to find out how the dog was trained, but all I got was that the owner praised the dog and took it for a walk as a reward after success.I have been told there are several prerequisites to training a dog. One of them is you must be smarter than the dog.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Theseus]

I have been told there are several prerequisites to training a dog. One of them is you must be smarter than the dog.

Best wishes,
J_P

Oh dear... me thinks we might have a problem here. :lol:

[Qiaozhi]

I have been told there are several prerequisites to training a dog. One of them is you must be smarter than the dog.

Best wishes,
J_P
From what I can determine, it appears that the dog is training the owner. Perhaps he's trying to mine his wallet. :lol:

[Fred]

I know but I do not feel I should say.

:shocked: Is this a technological secret ??
are you going to sell puppies or trained dogs?

[Mike(Mont)]

If the people don't post the info then I assume they don't want me to post it. From what I gather, it has more to do with the relationship between the owner and the dog--the dog tries to please the owner, but I don't really know because I can't seem to train animals any better than I can train a skeptic. I've read training manuals and all I remember is the owner needs to be trained and never kow-tow to a Chow Chow.

[Max]

If the people don't post the info then I assume they don't want me to post it. From what I gather, it has more to do with the relationship between the owner and the dog--the dog tries to please the owner, but I don't really know because I can't seem to train animals any better than I can train a skeptic. I've read training manuals and all I remember is the owner needs to be trained and never kow-tow to a Chow Chow.

But still we don't know if you feel more like a cat or a dog !? :stars:

But... I know... all dowsers and entusiast LRL guys never answer the interesting questions! :lol:

Kinda of a virus ! :rolleyes:

[Mike(Mont)]

One other possibility is that the dogs might be hearing the signal line. One guy said he happened to point his L-rod at his dog's ear and he saw the ear twitch (the dog was looking the other direction). I know the human aura has sound...

[Mike(Mont)]

I read that dogs are affected by magnetic fields. Tests were done where they reversed the polarity to their brain and the dogs went unconscious. I don't know exactly how this relates to the MFD signal line, but it sounds to me like there is something there. Some animals can be taught to be sensitive to magnetic fields. I got this out of a book by Victor Beasley "Your Electro-Vibratory Body".

[Steve in MS]

But... I know... all dowsers and entusiast LRL guys never answer the interesting questions! :lol:

Kinda of a virus ! :rolleyes:

You've got that right, Max, I have never seen so much ducking and dodging when simple questions are asked:D.

Regards,
Steve

[Qiaozhi]

I read that dogs are affected by magnetic fields. Tests were done where they reversed the polarity to their brain and the dogs went unconscious. I don't know exactly how this relates to the MFD signal line, but it sounds to me like there is something there. Some animals can be taught to be sensitive to magnetic fields. I got this out of a book by Victor Beasley "Your Electro-Vibratory Body".
And I suppose you have the whole six volume set of "The Supersensitive Life of Man"? Now we know where all this stuff is coming from. :rolleyes: At Powells Books, this book is listed in the Parapsychology section with Uri Geller, ghosts, hauntings, poltergeists, pendulums, dowsing and pyramid power.

This is the sort of nonsense that Mike has been reading: "Healing in its essence is a spiritual-soul impulse operating in the worlds of matter, for in the ultimate sense, the patient, not the physician, heals himself through contact with the higher forces of his own cosmic-governed consciousness, whether or not he is aware that such contact has been made." :shocked:

[Theseus]

And I suppose you have the whole six volume set of "The Supersensitive Life of Man"? Now we know where all this stuff is coming from. :rolleyes: At Powells Books, this book is listed in the Parapsychology section with Uri Geller, ghosts, hauntings, poltergeists, pendulums, dowsing and pyramid power.

This is the sort of nonsense that Mike has been reading: "Healing in its essence is a spiritual-soul impulse operating in the worlds of matter, for in the ultimate sense, the patient, not the physician, heals himself through contact with the higher forces of his own cosmic-governed consciousness, whether or not he is aware that such contact has been made." :shocked:

Mike fell for the Christopher Hills garbage hook, line and sinker. Can't tell you how many quotes he's entered from the Hills gobbly-gook. Mike turned another LRL forum into nothing more than a repository for his book reports. I doubt that will happen here, but.... he's working on it.

[Mike(Mont)]

You seem to have a conflict between your self image and your true image. You just can't stand to admit you might be wrong. In the 12 years I have been on the forums I can't recall when you admitted you were wrong. There might have been one time but even that I think you refused to admit it. Prostitue the intellect to defend the ego. That's one of the many reasons you "can't dowse any better than random chance". I guess that's why you hide behind the alias'.

I know you are a perfectionist. I said years ago this is a bad way to be. With your bitter attitude towards anyone who disagrees with you, you can never be happy until you change. Growth and change are what keeps you moving in the right direction. You don't get that without an open mind. You don't get change until you are sick and tired of the way you are.

You criticize me for reading books yet you praise yourself and Carl for the same thing. You can't have it both ways. Besides, books are only a start. Every teacher knows this. If you don't back it up with experience, the knowledge is worthless. :nono:

[Theseus]

You seem to have a conflict between your self image and your true image. You just can't stand to admit you might be wrong. In the 12 years I have been on the forums I can't recall when you admitted you were wrong. There might have been one time but even that I think you refused to admit it. Prostitue the intellect to defend the ego. That's one of the many reasons you "can't dowse any better than random chance". I guess that's why you hide behind the alias'.

I know you are a perfectionist. I said years ago this is a bad way to be. With your bitter attitude towards anyone who disagrees with you, you can never be happy until you change. Growth and change are what keeps you moving in the right direction. You don't get that without an open mind. You don't get change until you are sick and tired of the way you are.

You criticize me for reading books yet you praise yourself and Carl for the same thing. You can't have it both ways. Besides, books are only a start. Every teacher knows this. If you don't back it up with experience, the knowledge is worthless. :nono:

I have not a single clue what you are rambling on and on about. Apparently, some other adversary in your past has left an indelible scar on your psyche and you are taking out on those who post on this forum. If it makes you feel better, have fun. Try to remember most of these forums are archived, and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to find them and read them. ;)

[Mike(Mont)]

I was raised by a perfectionist skeptic. I was a much more hard-core skeptic than anyone on any forum I have been to. I still am very much the doubting Thomas. Until I see it with my own eyes and touch it, I have serious doubts.

And as for a formal education, I think the vast majority of students are nothing more than lab animals who have been trained to run a maze. They can't think for themself. And if you don't understand what it means to "Prostitute the intellect to defend the ego", the you aren't even trying to learn. I'll be the first to admit that I have been guilty of this a few times. You can't dowse with that attitude because your left brain gets in the way. There's nothing difficult to understand here. You can't think and dowse at the same time.

I've read many places that animals use dowsing. I guess they know more about it than most skeptics and they obviously are better dowsers than even some people who have dowsing experience. Don't play dumb, you just refuse to admit that the MFD signal line is real. Even dogs can sense it. I even sense some envy here. If you really want to learn you have to be humble. That means you have to practice for several weeks. Your brains won't carry you through on this one enough to learn in twenty minutes, so why don't you just admit it to yourself. Everyone else already knows it.

[Mike(Mont)]

People who rely on their intellect are just crippled when it comes to dowsing. If you question the rod, it's like the story in the Bible where the woman looks back as they are escaping and she turns to a pillar of salt. That's what that story is about, the skeptic mind trying to control things that are not for them to control.

Same with MFD, some people say it's only dowsing. Well, it is dowsing to an extent, the person still has to sense the signal line, but they don't have to do the discrimination. You do have to be able to use the rods. I can't count how many times I have tried to reason it. It can't be here, I don't believe it. That's the intellect trying to control things.

[Theseus]

I was raised by a perfectionist skeptic. I was a much more hard-core skeptic than anyone on any forum I have been to. I still am very much the doubting Thomas. Until I see it with my own eyes and touch it, I have serious doubts.

And as for a formal education, I think the vast majority of students are nothing more than lab animals who have been trained to run a maze. They can't think for themself. And if you don't understand what it means to "Prostitute the intellect to defend the ego", the you aren't even trying to learn. I'll be the first to admit that I have been guilty of this a few times. You can't dowse with that attitude because your left brain gets in the way. There's nothing difficult to understand here. You can't think and dowse at the same time.

I've read many places that animals use dowsing. I guess they know more about it than most skeptics and they obviously are better dowsers than even some people who have dowsing experience. Don't play dumb, you just refuse to admit that the MFD signal line is real. Even dogs can sense it. I even sense some envy here. If you really want to learn you have to be humble. That means you have to practice for several weeks. Your brains won't carry you through on this one enough to learn in twenty minutes, so why don't you just admit it to yourself. Everyone else already knows it.

I think you should review what you just posted. You have a considerable number of choppy thought patterns that you display, and you seem to have a lot of animosity towards someone or some thing that is really troubling you. What is it that you are trying to suppress? Are you getting enough deep sleep at night? You know, harboring a lot of deep-seated aggression and thoughts of anger is not only bad for your immune system, but it can also affect your entire outlook on life.

BTW, if your MFD signal line is real, what do you suppose it looks like? What is it composed of? Have you ever dug down to examine a signal line? I guess you've had a lot of experience with signal lines, so I look forward to your explanation.

[Mike(Mont)]

I just did a web search on this story of Lot's wife. Some religions have a much different rendition of it and that was not my intent.

[Max]

I was raised by a perfectionist skeptic. I was a much more hard-core skeptic than anyone on any forum I have been to. I still am very much the doubting Thomas. Until I see it with my own eyes and touch it, I have serious doubts.

And as for a formal education, I think the vast majority of students are nothing more than lab animals who have been trained to run a maze. They can't think for themself. And if you don't understand what it means to "Prostitute the intellect to defend the ego", the you aren't even trying to learn. I'll be the first to admit that I have been guilty of this a few times. You can't dowse with that attitude because your left brain gets in the way. There's nothing difficult to understand here. You can't think and dowse at the same time.

I've read many places that animals use dowsing. I guess they know more about it than most skeptics and they obviously are better dowsers than even some people who have dowsing experience. Don't play dumb, you just refuse to admit that the MFD signal line is real. Even dogs can sense it. I even sense some envy here. If you really want to learn you have to be humble. That means you have to practice for several weeks. Your brains won't carry you through on this one enough to learn in twenty minutes, so why don't you just admit it to yourself. Everyone else already knows it.

Uhm... all this talk about dogs male me think at truffle dogs... :rolleyes: these are good to find TREASURES! :lol:

Maybe you need a couple of these...

At least you'll find some truffle...(hopefully)

Kind regards,
Max

[J_Player]

Uhm... all this talk about dogs male me think at truffle dogs... :rolleyes: these are good to find TREASURES! :lol:Yes...
Truffles sell for more than gold by the gram. Maybe we should stop hunting for gold and start looking for truffles. Do you think the Ranger Tell will have a new model that finds only truffles after everybody starts hunting them?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Mike(Mont)]

I always thought pigs were used to hunt them. Hey, they are intelligent. I bet someone could train one to detect a signal line. They can dig, too.:lol:

[Max]

I always thought pigs were used to hunt them. Hey, they are intelligent. I bet someone could train one to detect a signal line. They can dig, too.:lol:

Hi,
yes... that's true... they dig also... but usually they do that cause wanna eat the truffles... no good.

Better use a dog... or new Hung's rangertellandsaywhereisthetruffle ...that one works! :D

Kind regards,
Max

[Mike(Mont)]

I still don't know what causes a dog to seek out an MFD signal line. That one guy said his dog stuck his nose in the air as if it was sniffing but he said he couldn't see it's nostrils moving. Then the dog would walk over and lie down on the line as if it already knew the exact line. I know dogs have a homing instinct so this could be a magnetic sense. I've read that birds can see the mangnetic lines, so maybe a dog can, too. The fact that the dog places it's head directly on the signal line may give some clue. He said sometimes the dog aligned it's entire body on the line but mostly just it's head. Dowsers can feel the line, some don't even need rods.

[Mike(Mont)]

Here's more proof

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,181746.0.html

[Theseus]

Here's more proof

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,181746.0.html

Did you notice where you found that information? On a forum marked "Comedy Central".

:rolleyes:

[Mike(Mont)]

The #1 intelligent dog is the French Poodle. To train one to find gold, you first find a nice fresh dog terd, preferably from the opposite sex unless your dog is ***. Place the gold inside the "nugget" and your dog will go right to it every time!

[Mike(Mont)]

One more note: Be sure to wear rubber gloves when you "toss the terd" or else your scent will get on it and it won't be scientific.:lol::lol::lol: This is a joke.

[Mike(Mont)]

This is my last post here. I guess I got fed up when the but hole posted lies about me having to do with porn (on another thread). He knows the truth. It's just more of his low-life character. Carl, you are welcome to delete my posts. I doubt I will be sending you a rod any time soon. You can thank limp **** head for that one.

[Theseus]

This is my last post here. I guess I got fed up when the but hole posted lies about me having to do with porn (on another thread). He knows the truth. It's just more of his low-life character. Carl, you are welcome to delete my posts. I doubt I will be sending you a rod any time soon. You can thank limp **** head for that one.

Well, did you get the result you were hoping for from this posting?

;)