This will change the world

[joecoin]

http://www.h3tec.com/product.html


Gee, I can hardly wait to purchase one of these.

[Götz von Berlichingen]

Bonus Points for funny looking LRL. ;)



The line introduces three models, including the H3 Treasure Trekker™, H3 Treasure Tracker™, and the H3 Treasure Tri-Corder™.
Extra Double Bonus Points for Star Trek Reference. :lol::lol::razz::D

Is it a Parody or serious ? Hard to tell nowadays...

A Video:
http://www.rickbennett.com/H3Tec/H3Demo.html
Note the pretty Paint Roller.

[hung]

Alright.
What's new about all of this? Really nothing. Except for officially admiting nano ionic principles being one of the most relevant aspects of dowsing. And this is absolutely true.

Mineoro has rods based on this principle which usually lead the way in the field research for the all electronic ionic detectors. I used to have long conversations with Damasio about this also.

The H3T pictured employs a needle much like a compass which is probably fed by an ion exchange information with the use of batteries.
It looks like a Klingon weapon. Not surprisingly, there's the mentioning of a tricorder model. These guys are Star Trek fans, no doubt.

I also don't have any doubt whatsoever their device works. But if they don't get out of the swivel/compass aproach, they will always face limitations and more, they need extra circuits and aux combos including a CPU to definitely make this thing 'say something', otherwise a RT Examiner will still rule in the swivel aproach.

The video device is the dowsing rod version. Sorry, I mean, it's not dowsing per se as it works by ion exchanges and powercords.

And finally of course, it's USA folks! Citing Nasa, NIR, satellites, UFOs only add tho their unbeatable marketing strategy...
May I suggest Captain Kirk for their debut on TV?:lol:

[Qiaozhi]

:lol: :lol: :lol:
Although, I must applaud the H3 Tec team for a very professional looking scam. Very well done.

So what is nano-ionic resonance? Here's some gumph from their website:

Nano-Ionic Resonance (NIR) is a term you will be hearing a lot about in the future. NIR is H3 Tec's branded name for the company-proprietary process of listening to atoms "talk." Every element that exists has a unique voice, which distinguishes it from every other element or atom in the periodic table of elements. H3 Tec has made important discoveries which, added to the existing known and established sciences, provide a method of talking to and listening to each atom's voice. That's why we say, "If it doesn't say 'H3 NIR Licensed Technology,' it simply won't do the job."

Thanks to Götz von Berlichingen (http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/member.php?u=3454) for posting the advertisement video. It's now clear that this is nothing more than a dowsing rod, but the "rod" is hidden inside the box. No doubt there is a micro-switch that is activated by the rod, causing the LED to illuminate. Same old cr*p in a new package.
Unfortunately, for the technically-challenged, it looks like more wallets are about to be successfully mined.

[Max]

http://www.h3tec.com/product.html


Gee, I can hardly wait to purchase one of these.

What's this ?

Seems really from a toystore... too StarTrek maniacs out there... :lol:

[Qiaozhi]

A real innovation would be an LRL the size of a credit card.
Then you could keep it in the empty space in your wallet, where the money used to be. :lol:

[Dell Winders]

H3 Tec Research and Development Labs

H3 Tec engineers and scientist have worked for the last eight years to perfect this technology. H3 Tec's chief scientist said," It's never perfect. We learn more every day, and with that, we know how to refine and add features to this amazing device.".
You Skeptics claim to be proponents of Science only when it fits your beliefs. Now, I see you are mocking it, without scientific investigation, or verification. What a bunch of hypocrites. :lol:

[Fred]

.
You Skeptics claim to be proponents of Science only when it fits your beliefs. Now, I see you are mocking it, without scientific investigation, or verification. What a bunch of hypocrites. :lol:
Dell,
You don´t have to look much as those pages to see that they are no more scientists than you are...

[Qiaozhi]

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You Skeptics claim to be proponents of Science only when it fits your beliefs. Now, I see you are mocking it, without scientific investigation, or verification. What a bunch of hypocrites. :lol:
Correct. We are proponents of science ... but this is not science ... it's pseudo-science. This contraption is a dowsing rod in disguise, so no mystery there then. :razz:

Anyway, what about the questions you have conveniently been avoiding?
Should we list them again to refresh your rather patchy memory?

[hung]

Dell,

I believe Goldfinder in the other thread listened to my advice.
Now it's your turn.

Don't waste your time (and your health) arguing with these guys.

Best Regards.

[Qiaozhi]

Dell,

I believe Goldfinder in the other thread listened to my advice.
Now it's your turn.

Don't waste your time (and your health) arguing with these guys.

Best Regards.
You need to listen to your own advice. :razz:

[Fred]

You need to listen to your own advice. :razz:
:lol::lol:

And join your PM group...

[Dell Winders]

Quote:
H3 Tec Research and Development Labs

H3 Tec engineers and scientist have worked for the last eight years to perfect this technology. H3 Tec's chief scientist said," It's never perfect. We learn more every day, and with that, we know how to refine and add features to this amazing device."
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You Skeptics claim to be proponents of Science only when it fits your beliefs. Now, I see you are mocking it, without scientific investigation, or verification. What a bunch of hypocrites. :lol: Dell
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Correct. We are proponents of science ... but this is not science ... it's pseudo-science. This contraption is a dowsing rod in disguise, so no mystery there then.

Let me redirect your attention to the claim that the product is built by Scientist & Engineers. Are you, or are you not, a proponent of Science & Engineering?

We seem to agree that Dowsing, is meta-physical. (unrelated to known physics) So, without any field testing whatsoever, are you claiming the Scientist & Engineers product, does not work as advertised?

Is it because in your mindset you can't comprehend such a possibility that it could work? Or, are you suggesting that because it is Meta-physical (Dowsing)as you claim, that if it does work, the operator is exercising "mind over matter" to make it work?

What about the recognition awards for their company? Are they fake?

Unfortunately, I don't have your psychic ability to pre-determine whether it is a scam or not? I could only make that determination by field testing the product under varied conditions.

I bow to your uncanny ability to merely look at a photo and determine that the product is a Dowsing Rod controlled by the operator's mind, rendering the electronics useless. :lol: :lol: Dell

[Theseus]

Quote:
I bow to your uncanny ability to merely look at a photo and determine that the product is a Dowsing Rod controlled by the operator's mind, rendering the electronics useless. :lol: :lol: Dell

Thank you. Maybe if you'd have completed 7th Grade, and today had an open mind to rational science, you too would be able to make the same accurate determination of what the product really is.

Yes, the video, of them testing it, left no doubt that it is a device that relies strictly on an ideomotor effect for operation. The operator was holding a chunk of Teflon or Delrin with a bent piece of wire in it (L-shaped). Need we say anything else?? I don't think so.

[Qiaozhi]

I bow to your uncanny ability to merely look at a photo and determine that the product is a Dowsing Rod controlled by the operator's mind, rendering the electronics useless. :lol: :lol: Dell
I didn't need to deduce this from a photograph. The necessary information was kindly provide by H3tec, in the video posted by Götz von Berlichingen (http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/member.php?u=3454).
That was clearly a dowsing implement in his hand.

Ready to answer the questions yet? Or is your memory still being selective?
What was the documentary you referred to that supposedly proves dowsing works?

:barf:"WHAT DOESN'T WORK, CANNOT BE MADE TO WORK." :cry:

[Dell Winders]

Dell,

I believe Goldfinder in the other thread listened to my advice.
Now it's your turn.

Don't waste your time (and your health) arguing with these guys.


You are right. There is no arguing with egotistical idiots
who repeat the same asinine questions over and over, and demand that you answer them again,and again, even after you have already answered their question.

What can I say? I used to post to share my field knowledge of LRL. Now I post because I am amused with the idiocy of Skeptic replies.

I agree, that trying to post any useful information on this forum is a waste of time.

Did Carl, ever take Dimasio's, $50,000 challenge with the Mineoro, he bought to prove that the Minero, doesn't work as claimed? Dell

[Theseus]

Ready to answer the questions yet? Or is your memory still being selective?
What was the documentary you referred to that supposedly proves dowsing works?

:barf:"WHAT DOESN'T WORK, CANNOT BE MADE TO WORK." :cry:


Looks like his memory is still a problem. Why am I not surprised.

[Qiaozhi]

... who repeat the same asinine questions over and over, and demand that you answer them again,and again, even after you have already answered their question.
Actually, that's just the problem. You have not answered the questions, due to your well-developed selective memory. Of course, we will repeat the same questions again and again, and will continue to do so until we finally get an answer ... or not, which is the most likely scenario.

As for the "awards" that H3tec display on their website - they apparently reached the final of the Utah Innovation Awards 2007 (sponsored by Avalanche Studios, Business Connect Magazine, and USTAR) in the Chemical, Materials Science category, but failed to receive the award. I cannot find any reference to H3tec regarding the Utah Best of State Medal, and the same applies to the other "awards". In fact, the last four all seem to be related in some way, so I'm not sure what they are.

:barf:"WHAT DOESN'T WORK, CANNOT BE MADE TO WORK." :cry:

[Carl-NC]

Let me redirect your attention to the claim that the product is built by Scientist & Engineers. Are you, or are you not, a proponent of Science & Engineering?

Should we accept that claim at face value? Besides, what defines a "scientist"? If it's an "expert in science," then I strongly doubt there are any real scientists involved with this company. But we can also water down the term until it includes a curious 3-year-old.

We seem to agree that Dowsing, is meta-physical.Why in the world would I agree to that? Science has very thoroughly explained dowsing; it is not "beyond physics" whatsoever.

What about the recognition awards for their company? Are they fake?I have calls out on this. It appears that several of these "awards" are set up so you nominate yourself, pay an entry fee, then see if you win. From what I can see, H3Tec has never won any of these awards.

But here's the really funny part. When I saw their web site and all those awards, I did not jump to the conclusion that H3Tec had ever won those awards. Why? Because their web site does not claim that they won those awards. The web site simply has pictures of the awards, with no further comment. So the question, Dell, is why did you assume they had won any awards, when they made no such claim?

I bow to your uncanny ability to merely look at a photo and determine that the product is a Dowsing Rod controlled by the operator's mind, rendering the electronics useless.Yeah, most of this stuff is really really obvious.

Did Carl, ever take Dimasio's, $50,000 challenge with the Mineoro, he bought to prove that the Minero, doesn't work as claimed?Carl tried several times to contact Mineoro about this, but could never get a response. So he gave up. Kinda like that "$10,000 bet" you once proposed, then refused to discuss. I'm sure, somehow, it's all my fault.

- Carl

[Qiaozhi]

... their web site does not claim that they won those awards. The web site simply has pictures of the awards, with no further comment.
On the Services page they imply that they have won these awards:
A Few Words About Us

...Award Winning Technology
...USTAR University Research
...Best of State
...Stoel Rives Innovations Award
...I.Q. Awards
...Best and Brightest in Utah
...Invented in Utah Awards

The first line makes the implication. However, the Stoel Rives Innovation Award is certainly not true. They made it to the final list in their category, but failed to win. Maybe the award was for being an "also ran".
And perhaps the I.Q. Award was for the advertising video. :lol:

[hung]

Carl tried several times to contact Mineoro about this, but could never get a response. So he gave up. Kinda like that "$10,000 bet" you once proposed, then refused to discuss. I'm sure, somehow, it's all my fault.

- Carl

Oh my God... AGAIN??????????

I gave you Damasio's personal phone number several months ago at HIS own request. Did you call him?

What is YOUR excuse now?

[Carl-NC]

"Award Winning Technology"

Yes, but this does not say their "technology" has won any awards, does it? All they need to do is use a Vishay SiP12510 white LED driver (which won an EE Times ACE award) in their design and PRESTO they have "award winning technology".

And, again, they make no claim that they actually won any of those other awards, and I'm inclined to believe that lack of claim. If I had a product that won those awards, I would specifically make that claim, along with the years & categories.

I gave you Damasio's personal phone number several months ago at HIS own request. Did you call him?Of course not. I prefer to have things in writing, for obvious reasons. Besides, the ball's in his court. Since you seem to have a rapport with Damasio, why don't you ask him why he's refused to follow up on this? I'm sure that, somehow, it'll be my fault. It's always Carl's fault.

- Carl

[Mike(Mont)]

I use H3 in my Aero Rod. It's also called tritium. It's heavy hydrogen. I don't know that much about it, but the proton in hydrogen is what has the high magnetic qualities. I don't even know if this is what they are talking about (the H3 in H3tec).

The thing about radioactive amplifiers is their effect is an inductive one. The typical tritium vial emits a small amount of radioactive particles up to about a quarter inch away, so there is no radioactive beam that zaps the target with energy. They do emit pairs of ions (positive and negative). Some military compasses have trituim vials, and I've seen older Rolex watches had them. The half life is ten years so if you have a thirty-year-old dowsing device with tritium it has nothing much left. Louis Turenne used a homeopathic solution of radium in his devices.

[Fred]

And perhaps the I.Q. Award was for the advertising video. :lol:
Even that video look like a compilation of stuff found elsewere.The format (size) is not even the same along it.
I don´t think all this deserve much attention.And i am AMAZED that someone like Dell can believe this just because it is there,on the net.I think he should have the experience of it....
or is this a spin-off of some other "company" ? :lol:

[Dell Winders]

I don´t think all this deserve much attention.And i am AMAZED that someone like Dell can believe this just because it is there,on the net.I think he should have the experience of it....

No, I didn't say I believed it. I only pointed out that the proclaimed Skeptics on this forum pretend to be Scientific, then jump to conclusions without any investigation, or field trials.

Just because I am open minded to possibilities, does not mean I am not skeptical of high tech Scientific, engineering claims used for advertising that are often contradictory to the facts of my own field experience with similar products. But, I do try to be fair and unbiased when testing and evaluating any detection method that might serve the requirements of Treasure Hunters.

I adhere to the old adage, Don't believe anything you hear, or read, and only half of what you see. A good reason for me to be skeptical of those who proclaim themselves Skeptics, to excuse their egotistical behavior against users of Remote Sensing Discrimination methods.

There is nothing scientific about posting an article from the internet, or a video from youtube to prove you are Scientific. Dell

[Steve in MS]

Dell, just for the sake of discussion, how big does a piece of silver or gold have to be for one of your LRL's to pick it up?
Also, does it only get a signal on gold or silver if it is on top of the ground or can it be under the ground, and how far under the ground can it pick up an item?
What is the success rate when one uses one of your devices, gets a postive reading in an approximate percentage? I realize your answer to this would vary from person to person, just a rough guestimate will be ok.
How do your devices only pick up gold or silver and not aluminum, copper, iron, tin or underground water streams, water pipes, minerals, etc?
Do your devices give a better response the closer it gets to an object, say,
30 ft, 1 yard and a few inches away?
How much of the success of using one of your devices depend on the metaphysical or the paranormal aspect?
These questions are more or less a curiosity for me and a chance for you to inform us.

[Qiaozhi]

Just because I am open minded to possibilities, does not mean I am not skeptical of high tech Scientific, engineering claims used for advertising that are often contradictory to the facts of my own field experience with similar products.
I would hardly call their claims high-tech. It's the usual pseudo-scientific nonsense we've heard many times before.

Ready to answer the questions yet?

:barf:"WHAT DOESN'T WORK, CANNOT BE MADE TO WORK." :cry:

[Qiaozhi]

Dell, just for the sake of discussion, .....
I cannot resist it ... although I tried very hard. :lol:
I've just got to answer these questions for Dell, especially as you're unlikely to get any answers directly from him. Even if you do, Dell's memory is so selective that he'll probably only answer the odd one, and ignore the others.

So here goes:

... how big does a piece of silver or gold have to be for one of your LRL's to pick it up?
Makes no difference, because it's all metaphysical, and just a trick of the mind. So one atom of gold is as detectable as one ton.

Also, does it only get a signal on gold or silver if it is on top of the ground or can it be under the ground, and how far under the ground can it pick up an item?
It's the same result whether the gold/silver is 1mm from the device, or it's located on Mars.

What is the success rate when one uses one of your devices, gets a postive reading in an approximate percentage? I realize your answer to this would vary from person to person, just a rough guestimate will be ok.
The percentage is the same as guessing.

How do your devices only pick up gold or silver and not aluminum, copper, iron, tin or underground water streams, water pipes, minerals, etc?
Years of selective memory training, and self-denial. It's not worth explaining, as skeptics are too stupid to understand. You would need a brain the size of a planet, like what I've got.

Do your devices give a better response the closer it gets to an object, say,
30 ft, 1 yard and a few inches away?
Distance is irrelevant. The results are the same.

How much of the success of using one of your devices depend on the metaphysical or the paranormal aspect?
I have to exercise the full potential of my enormous cranium in order to metaphysically dowse. Ordinary humans have no chance. That's why I introduced the MFD, to enhance the puny dowsing capability of the average peasant's brain.

These questions are more or less a curiosity for me and a chance for you to inform us.
My pleasure. :razz:

:barf:"WHAT DOESN'T WORK, CANNOT BE MADE TO WORK." :cry: - or something like that!

[J_Player]

Hmmmm...
It looks like there is some difference in opinion about who is right and who is wrong here. So how can we know who to believe knows what is correct about these contraptions that supposedly find treasure?

Let's consider the sources of information we are hearing. I must ask myself a few questions about the background of these people before deciding who to believe. For example:

Who studied science, math, electronics and engineering for years to become knowledgeable in state of the art technical methods?

Who did not make it into college level education?

Who knows how to determine the difference between fake BS fairy-tale stories and the real deal by using scientific methods?

Who loves fairy-tales, fantastic movies and fiction novels, and tries to make these fairy-tales come true in their own lives?

Who is careful to report actual observations and draw conclusions based on principles of logic without introducing unprovable theories that can't be explained?

Who considers a coincidental event to be proof for a new theory of unknown science that only they can make work... and two or three coincidental events become absolute proof of the new theory, so it is no longer a theory, but a law of the new unknown science, even in the face of millions of contrary events that would prove the new theory false by statistical methods?

Who has collected certificates from highly respected educational institutions that certify they are competent in the latest technology?

Who has collected certificates from highly respected municipal and legal institutions which claim they have defrauded someone or a class of people?


Well, If I can determine the answers to these questions, then maybe I will have a clue of who to believe. :shrug:

Best wishes,
J_P

[Fred]

It's the same result whether the gold/silver is 1mm from the device, or it's located on Mars.
But i want to find gold on Europa,will i work ?
(hmmm i know , lousy one)

The percentage is the same as guessing..
BTW, this will almost always be >= to 50% , as there is always some clues or logical deductions involved. So even positive results must be taken with care.

[Clondike Clad]

.
You Skeptics claim to be proponents of Science only when it fits your beliefs. Now, I see you are mocking it, without scientific investigation, or verification. What a bunch of hypocrites. :lol:
What about the glue and hanger you are selling?
What a scam and how do it works again?
Who is the man in your avartar it is not you?
Snake oil is SNAKE OIL.
PLEASE SHOW US YOUR SCIENTIFIC INFORMATION ON WHY YOUR WIRE AND GLUE WORKS( YOU MAY HAVE STOP USING THE GLUE?
DO YOU KNOW WHAT 60/40 IS OR DO YOU USE SILVER .
WHAT DO YOU USE A 27W OR THE BIG 100 WATTER( LET ME THINK I'LL BET THE 100 WATT MONSTER.):lol:

[Dell Winders]

Dell, just for the sake of discussion, how big does a piece of silver or gold have to be for one of your LRL's to pick it up?
Also, does it only get a signal on gold or silver if it is on top of the ground or can it be under the ground, and how far under the ground can it pick up an item?
What is the success rate when one uses one of your devices, gets a postive reading in an approximate percentage? I realize your answer to this would vary from person to person, just a rough guestimate will be ok.
How do your devices only pick up gold or silver and not aluminum, copper, iron, tin or underground water streams, water pipes, minerals, etc?
Do your devices give a better response the closer it gets to an object, say,
30 ft, 1 yard and a few inches away?
How much of the success of using one of your devices depend on the metaphysical or the paranormal aspect?
These questions are more or less a curiosity for me and a chance for you to inform us.


Steve, those are legitimate questions, but as you can see this a hecklers forum for closed minded idiots to exercise their prejudice mentality. Serious discussions of LRL are not allowed to progress. It is a waste of my time to try to answer questions here. Sorry, this is the wrong atmosphere to have serious discussions.

I participate here when I have time, because it is a wonderment to me to see grown, formally educated men, pretending to be Scientific, and go into such rages of childish rants when their ego's are threatened by someone of far less formal educational background. I do find some of the postings on Carl's, forum amusing. Dell

[Dell Winders]

Hmmmm...
It looks like there is some difference in opinion about who is right and who is wrong here. So how can we know who to believe knows what is correct about these contraptions that supposedly find treasure?

Let's consider the sources of information we are hearing. I must ask myself a few questions about the background of these people before deciding who to believe. For example:

Who studied science, math, electronics and engineering for years to become knowledgeable in state of the art technical methods?

Who did not make it into college level education?

Who knows how to determine the difference between fake BS fairy-tale stories and the real deal by using scientific methods?

Who loves fairy-tales, fantastic movies and fiction novels, and tries to make these fairy-tales come true in their own lives?

Who is careful to report actual observations and draw conclusions based on principles of logic without introducing unprovable theories that can't be explained?

Who considers a coincidental event to be proof for a new theory of unknown science that only they can make work... and two or three coincidental events become absolute proof of the new theory, so it is no longer a theory, but a law of the new unknown science, even in the face of millions of contrary events that would prove the new theory false by statistical methods?

Who has collected certificates from highly respected educational institutions that certify they are competent in the latest technology?

Who has collected certificates from highly respected municipal and legal institutions which claim they have defrauded someone or a class of people?


Well, If I can determine the answers to these questions, then maybe I will have a clue of who to believe. :shrug:

Best wishes,
J_P


JP, I can certainly see your dilemma, and you have my sympathy. If that was the criteria I had to use to make a decision, I would be as confused as you.

With folks using fictitious names, and not providing educational backgrounds, or personal information, (except me) I cannot answer those questions either. But then, I speak honestly from my own field experience, and do not rely on the assumptions and opinions of others as being factual information.

Sorry, I can't help you, but here is a little hint to your problem.

"THE DOOR TO KNOWLEDGE & UNDERSTANDING IS NEVER OPEN TO A CLOSED, OR PREJUDICED MIND" Dell

[Fred]

Serious discussions of LRL are not allowed to progress. It is a waste of my time to try to answer questions here.
Dell, i disagree: if you were answering simply and honestly to the questions posted here, the atmospher would not be what it is.As is said before, you are not very positive in your arguments.If i had discovered that Lrods (for example) are working, i would be here to explain precisely how i found this, under what circumstances, and how i can prove it.

[putrechigi]

JP, I can certainly see your dilemma, and you have my sympathy. If that was the criteria I had to use to make a decision, I would be as confused as you.

With folks using fictitious names, and not providing educational backgrounds, or personal information, (except me) I cannot answer those questions either. But then, I speak honestly from my own field experience, and do not rely on the assumptions and opinions of others as being factual information.

Sorry, I can't help you, but here is a little hint to your problem.

"THE DOOR TO KNOWLEDGE & UNDERSTANDING IS NEVER OPEN TO A CLOSED, OR PREJUDICED MIND" Dell


hi dell i haven't 10000$ but many many point where tested your lrl if yiou want to came in italy i whait you everytime serious:|:|

[Dell Winders]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/showthread.php?p=78656#post78656)
Serious discussions of LRL are not allowed to progress. It is a waste of my time to try to answer questions here.

Dell, i disagree: if you were answering simply and honestly to the questions posted here, the atmospher would not be what it is.As is said before, you are not very positive in your arguments.If i had discovered that Lrods (for example) are working, i would be here to explain precisely how i found this, under what circumstances, and how i can prove it.

Fred, you only have look back at the archives to see the skeptics attitude and bashing of LRL users, or Dowsers.

I've tried to share information here in the past, Knowledgeable people like Hung, have tried to share their experience, Estaban has tried very hard to share information, and experience, Michael, has tried to share his LRL experience. Mike, is trying to share his knowledge & experience with both Dowsing & LRL, and there are others that gave up quickly.

This is a Skeptic's forum, for Skeptics, where ridicule and mocking of LRL users, or Dowsers is encouraged by the webmaster. These people make a life style of being closed minded, and prejudice to any thing they can't comprehend. Dell

[Dell Winders]

hi dell i haven't 10000$ but many many point where tested your lrl if yiou want to came in italy i whait you everytime serious

putrechigi, traveling to Italy, is not an option for me. I am physically handicapped, and financially unable.

I thank you for your offer. Dell

[Max]

Fred, you only have look back at the archives to see the skeptics attitude and bashing of LRL users, or Dowsers.

I've tried to share information here in the past, Knowledgeable people like Hung, have tried to share their experience, Estaban has tried very hard to share information, and experience, Michael, has tried to share his LRL experience. Mike, is trying to share his knowledge & experience with both Dowsing & LRL, and there are others that gave up quickly.

This is a Skeptic's forum, for Skeptics, where ridicule and mocking of LRL users, or Dowsers is encouraged by the webmaster. These people make a life style of being closed minded, and prejudice to any thing they can't comprehend. Dell

:lol: just cause you're funny ! As all the other stoned here... :razz:

It's skeptic forum ? No... it's skeptic ring... and anytime you jump in you'll lose cause cannot provide anything good apart hot melt joints... that you say you never made etc etc ...

Kind of Willy Wonka's Oompa-Loompas : you don't mess with hot glue guns ... you have some Oompa-Loompas that do it for you ! :D

So, instead of melting chocolate for you , as with Wonka, they melt the glue... I see! :rolleyes:

But is unfair you'll not print too the golden tickets ...and show to some fortunate guys here your dream "factory"...:shocked:

Kind regards,
Max

[Fred]

I've tried to share information here in the past, Knowledgeable people like Hung, have tried to share their experience, Estaban has tried very hard to share information, and experience, Michael, has tried to share his LRL experience. Mike, is trying to share his knowledge & experience with both Dowsing & LRL, and there are others that gave up quickly.
Except Esteban,i have seen no one here to really share anything, just claiming this and that,( usually amazings things), but not the smallest part of an evidence ,not even the attempt to give one.
Why none of them have done that? How to you expect somebody believing others claims just like that?
How do this sounds to you :
"hey, i have built a machine,(a few leds and pots),if you are mentally prepared you can see people in the street naked.By adjusting this pot you can tune it to work only with women (for men on request).Only a few hundreds of dollars,if it doesn´t work with you it´s your fault,full stomach, iron blood or skeptical mind, but it works, i´m telling you!"

[Qiaozhi]

With folks using fictitious names, and not providing educational backgrounds, or personal information, (except me) I cannot answer those questions either.
You forgot about fictitious avatars. :razz:

Sorry, I can't help you, but here is a little hint to your problem.

"THE DOOR TO KNOWLEDGE & UNDERSTANDING IS NEVER OPEN TO A CLOSED, OR PREJUDICED MIND" Dell
Same old rhetoric. It's a pity you don't read the words more carefully, and follow your own advice. :lol:

... Knowledgeable people like Hung, ...
Now you're just being silly... ;)

Estaban has tried very hard to share information, and experience, ...
Actually, I respect Esteban because he has the correct attitude. I don't necessarily agree with everything he says, but he is a genuine (maybe misguided) experimenter. Yes - he does come up with some strange stuff, and at times this can be amusing. However, I welcome his presence here.

These people make a life style of being closed minded, and prejudice to any thing they can't comprehend. Dell
That's why you have such a bad experience whenever you post on this forum. It's because our comprehension of dowsing and LRL quackery is actually quite good. Unfortunately, years of closing your mind to the real scientific world, has left you self-deluded and incapable of seeing the truth. I appears that you now really believe your own marketing BS.

:barf:"WHAT DOESN'T WORK, CANNOT BE MADE TO WORK!" :cry:

[hung]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders http://www.thunting.com/geotech/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.thunting.com/geotech/forums/showthread.php?p=78664#post78664)
... Knowledgeable people like Hung,
Now you're just being silly...

:razz::lol::lol::razz:
Envy is the worst of all evils...



Actually, I respect Esteban because he has the correct attitude. I don't necessarily agree with everything he says, but he is a genuine (maybe misguided) experimenter.

:lol::lol::lol::lol:
Oh I see.. Misguided by 'brickheads' such as yourself?:lol:

For your eyes only.. And to other eyes here.
I will never discuss here my sucessful device and the technology involved.
It took study, research and effort. And... Merit!

If you don't raise your butt from your armchair and study, you will always be the comic character skeptic here.
A life totally wasted... Jeezzz..

Dell, advice 2:

Get out of this thread. You don't deseve to waste your time with these people. You know the truth. Let them remain in the dark. THEY WANT IT TO.

That old saying: 'Don't throw pearls to the pigs', come in handy here.
Good luck.

[gwzd]

putrechigi, traveling to Italy, is not an option for me. I am physically handicapped, and financially unable.

I thank you for your offer. Dell

Isn't your business profitable?
Regards
R.A.

[Dell Winders]

We seem to agree that Dowsing, is meta-physical. Dell

Why in the world would I agree to that? Science has very thoroughly explained dowsing; it is not "beyond physics" whatsoever.

Carl, is that a fact, or is this more of your scientific pretense?

If true, Then perhaps you will scientifically explain the physics that I employed when I Dowsed a topo map spanning thousands of acres of rugged Arizona wilderness, for a specific target?

This target was Dowsed as being a man made marking, or marker from my home 3,000 miles away, and then found on site, within a few feet of where I plotted it to be.

Please scientifically explain the physics that I employed when I Dowsed another man made Marker, and the direction it was pointing on a Google Earth aerial photo of a 113 acre farm in Kentucky, from my home 700 miles away. Although the property had been in the family for nearly a century, the owner was never aware the marker existed until I went there, we walked to the Dowsed location, removed the leaves concealing it, and revealed the marker as described with Dowsing.

What are the physics related to my dowsing for tunnels, and caves, on photos and maps, from a thousand miles away, and finding those caves on site, and excavating to find those tunnels at the locations they were Dowsed to be.

I have experienced similar results at quite a number of map & photo Dowsed sites, which distance and lack of conscious awareness eliminates any prospect of chance guessing the description and location, or coincidence, but I never knew there was a Scientific explanation of the physics involved. So Carl, please tell me the Physics I am incorporating that allows me to do this? I really would like to know?

I have always been told, there is no known Scientific explanation for my learned Dowsing ability, and that it falls into the realm of meta-Physics? But, you say, that is not true? Dell

[Qiaozhi]

:razz::lol::lol::razz:
Envy is the worst of all evils...
This gets funnier every day! :lol:

For your eyes only.. And to other eyes here.
I will never discuss here my sucessful device and the technology involved.
It took study, research and effort. And... Merit!
As I said - this gets funnier every day! :lol: :lol:
We really don't care to know the details of your modified LRL contraption.. You lost credibility a long time ago, when you claimed the Ranger Tell actually does more than wallet mining. :razz:

A life totally wasted... Jeezzz..
That would make a brilliant title for your autobiography. Let me know when it's in the shops.

Get out of this thread. You don't deseve to waste your time with these people. You know the truth. Let them remain in the dark. THEY WANT IT TO.
Yet again, I can agree with the first part of your statement. The rest ... well, you know how it goes. :rolleyes:

:barf:"WHAT DOESN'T WORK, CANNOT BE MADE TO WORK!" :cry:

[Dell Winders]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/showthread.php?p=78665#post78665)
putrechigi, traveling to Italy, is not an option for me. I am physically handicapped, and financially unable.

I thank you for your offer. Dell

Isn't your business profitable?
Regards
R.A.

I guess it could be profitable if I went into production. The demand is there. I'm usually 1-3 months back ordered, but I am slow and only build them on request. Some are repeat customers, but most are from "word of mouth" references. I am very grateful for the additional income to supplement my $630 a month Social security. Dell

[Max]

putrechigi, traveling to Italy, is not an option for me. I am physically handicapped, and financially unable.

I thank you for your offer. Dell

and how about "mentally" ? Ops... no your brain works good... you're still on business! :lol:

Are just customers that could have problems... :D

[Max]

:razz::lol::lol::razz:
Envy is the worst of all evils...





:lol::lol::lol::lol:
Oh I see.. Misguided by 'brickheads' such as yourself?:lol:

For your eyes only.. And to other eyes here.
I will never discuss here my sucessful device and the technology involved.
It took study, research and effort. And... Merit!

If you don't raise your butt from your armchair and study, you will always be the comic character skeptic here.
A life totally wasted... Jeezzz..

Dell, advice 2:

Get out of this thread. You don't deseve to waste your time with these people. You know the truth. Let them remain in the dark. THEY WANT IT TO.

That old saying: 'Don't throw pearls to the pigs', come in handy here.
Good luck.

Can I show some stuff... ? Aren't you in that movies ? :rolleyes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QG2bbZcUxk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LLewrlD5RE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWNY2_J3z4A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWNY2_J3z4A

So... what the meaning of that movies ? Measure what ? The noise around ? :lol:

Merit! :cool:

Kind regards,
Max

[Max]

I guess it could be profitable if I went into production. The demand is there. I'm usually 1-3 months back ordered, but I am slow and only build them on request. Some are repeat customers, but most are from "word of mouth" references. I am very grateful for the additional income to supplement my $630 a month Social security. Dell

SO YOU TELL IT KNOW !

" I am slow and only build them on request." :lol:

No oompa loompas... and YOU MELT THE GLUE!? :rolleyes:

Better with oompa loompas there... melting the glue for you than doing yourself!

Kind regards,
Max

[J_Player]

JP, I can certainly see your dilemma, and you have my sympathy. If that was the criteria I had to use to make a decision, I would be as confused as you.

With folks using fictitious names, and not providing educational backgrounds, or personal information, (except me) I cannot answer those questions either. But then, I speak honestly from my own field experience, and do not rely on the assumptions and opinions of others as being factual information.

Sorry, I can't help you, but here is a little hint to your problem.

"THE DOOR TO KNOWLEDGE & UNDERSTANDING IS NEVER OPEN TO A CLOSED, OR PREJUDICED MIND" Dell
Hi Dell,
Thank you for your sympathy in my pathetic moment. You are correct... I am sure you would be confused as me if not for your using a different criteria to make a decision. You are also correct that these fictitious names do not provide educational backgrounds or personal information except for you. So what to do?

Well maybe this is my lucky day. I just noticed a couple of prominent members from the LRL proponent and the skeptic viewpoint have their real names posted. Yup, Carl-NC AKA Carl Moreland, and Dell Winders are both using their real names! But the personal profile section does not show educational background that would demonstrate their competency level in judging the usefulness of the circuitry in an LRL. However, there are hundreds of posts where we can search to find information that may shed some light on this. Yes, among the evil members who hide behind fictitious aliases, there are two dim lights still shining through the steamy mist of obscure and dubious BS. So off to the forum posts in search of the answers to the questions I asked...

Let's begin with my first question:
Who studied science, math, electronics and engineering for years to become knowledgeable in state of the art technical methods?

Hmmm... I can't find anything about Carl or you that shows either one of you attended schools of science, math, electronics or engineering for years. But I did find a number of interesting posts by Carl which could not have been made if he had not studied math and electronics for years. Here is an example ...

http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/showthread.php?p=74012

If you read this post, and Carl's other posts that led up to it in the same thread, you will see he identified a circuitry concern that the person asking for help had not considered, and provided all the details needed to make an excellent choice in components as well as telling what to watch out for in the circuit.

Now, we all know I am an evil scientific pretender hiding behind a fake alias, so if I say I attended a university that taught technical and scientific disciplines, we may have to discount it as total BS. Having said that, from the alleged university I attended, I learned in my alleged classes that what Carl is talking about in his post cannot be known unless he also attended classes that were at least as rigorous as the classes I attended. I can also assume he had to get the answers right in his tests before they would grant him a degree or certificate stating he is competent in his ability to understand advanced circuitry. But keep in mind... you may call me a bald-faced liar, because I am hiding behind an alias and I have not proven I attended any school of any kind.

Now, let's go in search of Dell Winders posts that would indicate his level of expertise in electronics...

Aha... here we have a post that tells us the answer: http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/showthread.php?p=44340
Hmmmm... You describe yourself as "A Kentucky Hillbilly, with a 6th grade formal education in country schools".

Well, now this makes me wonder if maybe Carl is more qualified to determine how well electronic circuits work than you are. At least, it would seem that way until I read where you write that he is a scientific pretender. So I check all them hard to figger things Carl said about dv/dt and e^-t/tau. Guess what? He was right on every count. You could build a space shuttle using the kind of math and electronics formulas he uses and it would be right first time!

I guess what I am saying is sorry, but I gotta go with the guy who knows, not with the hillbilly who doesn't know. Or did I miss something? Should I have an open mind to consider the hillbilly/6th grade education knows more about what the electronics does than the person who has the training adequate to build cutting edge circuitry? :shocked:

Best wishes,
J_P

[Steve in MS]

Steve, those are legitimate questions, but as you can see this a hecklers forum for closed minded idiots to exercise their prejudice mentality. Serious discussions of LRL are not allowed to progress. It is a waste of my time to try to answer questions here. Sorry, this is the wrong atmosphere to have serious discussions.

I participate here when I have time, because it is a wonderment to me to see grown, formally educated men, pretending to be Scientific, and go into such rages of childish rants when their ego's are threatened by someone of far less formal educational background. I do find some of the postings on Carl's, forum amusing. Dell

Hmmm, I can't agree with your reply here, who cares about whether there are skeptics here or not. I thought those were straight-forward questions,
seems to me LRLs are too esoteric in nature.
Even you stated
"don't believe anything you hear, or read and only half of what you see"
that would make you a skeptic on a lot of issues, I suppose.
LRLs are advertised to be a mechanical and/or electronic device to locate treasure when there is from what you and other dowsers here state more to it than that, something metaphysical in nature which if one thinks about it critically, that is a very strange arrangement.
Even if one person could use it successfully, many others would not be successful, simply because once again, they are dependent on metaphysics.
My conclusion is these devices cannot ever be in the mainstream, such as VLFs and PIs nor should they ever be advertised without the customer's knowledge of the paranormal aspect of them.

[Clondike Clad]

I guess it could be profitable if I went into production. The demand is there. I'm usually 1-3 months back ordered, but I am slow and only build them on request. Some are repeat customers, but most are from "word of mouth" references. I am very grateful for the additional income to supplement my $630 a month Social security. Dell
JUST READ WHAT YOU WRITE DELL.
THE BULL IS DEEP ON THIS ONE
DELL COULD JUST READ THIS PLEASE ! JUST READ IT AS IF IT WAS ME WRITING IT.THIS IS VERY DEEP DELL VERRRRRRY DEEEEEP.
I had to say it( Now back to lurking):lol:

[Clondike Clad]

Correct. We are proponents of science ... but this is not science ... it's pseudo-science. This contraption is a dowsing rod in disguise, so no mystery there then. :razz:

Anyway, what about the questions you have conveniently been avoiding?
Should we list them again to refresh your rather patchy memory?
I want to help Dell out ,so please list them so he won't think i an the only one.

[Theseus]

Mike, is trying to share his knowledge & experience with both Dowsing & LRL, and there are others that gave up quickly.
Dell

Dowsing and LRL are ONE IN THE SAME. They both operate as a result of an ideomotor response.

If you think differently, I challenge you to post conclusive evidence, right here to prove there is a difference.

[Theseus]

Steve, those are legitimate questions, but as you can see this a hecklers forum for closed minded idiots to exercise their prejudice mentality. Serious discussions of LRL are not allowed to progress. It is a waste of my time to try to answer questions here. Sorry, this is the wrong atmosphere to have serious discussions.

I participate here when I have time, because it is a wonderment to me to see grown, formally educated men, pretending to be Scientific, and go into such rages of childish rants when their ego's are threatened by someone of far less formal educational background. I do find some of the postings on Carl's, forum amusing. Dell

I got an idea, why don't you answer Steve's questions on your own website. Then, no one can post the truth right next to your BS.

Also, if this forum is so disturbing to you, and you only "read" it for amusement, why bother making replies? Could it be you'd rather "read" and "reply" here than build your backordered scam dowsing units. Think of all the work you could get done, and parts hot-glued in, if you weren't spending that time here.

[Fred]

:stars: Really Dell here you got me confused :
I'm usually 1-3 months back ordered, but I am slow and only build them on request.
So, there are always requests and you build all the time right ?
Some are repeat customers, but most are from "word of mouth" references.
Why a customer could want to buy more than one ??? do they expire, or don´t work at first time?

I am very grateful for the additional income to supplement my $630 a month Social security. Dell
Well,considering how simple they are, with 3 months backorder and at the price they are,i am sure it make a hell of an income!

[Dell Winders]

Fred, what I said is truthfully the way it is. It is your own assumptions and imagination that are confusing you. Dell

[Dell Winders]

Dowsing and LRL are ONE IN THE SAME. They both operate as a result of an ideomotor response.

If you think differently, I challenge you to post conclusive evidence, right here to prove there is a difference.

We always seem to agree that Dowsing, is a sub-conscious activity that triggers an Ideomotor muscle response? I always read this is considered in the realm of Meta-Physics?

Carl, recently contradicted this and posted that Dowsing is NOT Meta-physical, and that Science clearly explains the physics involved in Dowsing?

Let's wait and see what Carl's, Scientific report has to say about the physics that causes my Map, Photo, & Information Dowsing to work, before you continue banging your vindictive drums of personal prejudice. Dell

[Theseus]

We always seem to agree that Dowsing, is a sub-conscious activity that triggers an Ideomotor muscle response? I always read this is considered in the realm of Meta-Physics?

Carl, recently contradicted this and posted that Dowsing is NOT Meta-physical, and that Science clearly explains the physics involved in Dowsing?

Let's wait and see what Carl's, Scientific report has to say about the physics that causes my Map, Photo, & Information Dowsing to work, before you continue banging your vindictive drums of personal prejudice. Dell

Dowsing AND Dowsing with any form of enhancement, such as your do-nothing hot-glued electronics junk is a subconscious activity that requires an ideomotor response before there can be an indication.

Probably, Carl has reference to the physics of Gravity acting on your dowsing instruments, whilst you hold them in your hand.

Incidently.... if this forum is so disturbing to you, and you only "read" it for amusement, why bother making replies? Could it be you'd rather "read" and "reply" here, than build your backordered scam dowsing units. Think of all the work you could get done, and parts hot-glued in, if you weren't spending that time here.

[Fred]

Fred, what I said is truthfully the way it is. It is your own assumptions and imagination that are confusing you. Dell

Right. And you are clear in your explanations.I see:you take me for a fool.
Maybe we all have a confusing mind except you.
Remember this?

Could you explain the meta-physics that makes dowsing work?
NO!

Well i found a tecnhical explanation after all.And in your own site:

"The specific Molecular Frequency generated by the electronics in the MFD provides the discrimination of the concentrated E/M fields by "matching" the resonating frequency of that selected element and establishing a harmonic relation to that specific element. In addition, it provides an overriding of the unwanted E/M fields allowing only the field of the selected (discriminated to)element to come through to be measured by the reaction of the L-Rods or electronically metered"

Really looks like a scientific explanation , doesn´t it? :lol:
Are GPS sells going well too?

[Qiaozhi]

"The specific Molecular Frequency generated by the electronics in the MFD provides the discrimination of the concentrated E/M fields by "matching" the resonating frequency of that selected element and establishing a harmonic relation to that specific element. In addition, it provides an overriding of the unwanted E/M fields allowing only the field of the selected (discriminated to)element to come through to be measured by the reaction of the L-Rods or electronically metered"

Really looks like a scientific explanation , doesn´t it? :lol:
Are GPS sells going well too?
That's just the problem. It does sound scientific to the technically-challenged. It is this sort of pseudo-scientific claptrap that lures the unwary into giving Dell the contents of their wallets. The really sad ones actually come back for more, or even get their friends involved. Who needs friends like that? :razz:

[Dell Winders]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/showthread.php?p=78733#post78733)
Fred, what I said is truthfully the way it is. It is your own assumptions and imagination that are confusing you. Dell
Right. And you are clear in your explanations.I see:you take me for a fool.
Maybe we all have a confusing mind except you.
Remember this?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fred http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/showthread.php?p=78452#post78452)
Could you explain the meta-physics that makes dowsing work?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dell Winders http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/showthread.php?p=78453#post78453)
NO!

Well i found a tecnhical explanation after all.And in your own site:

"The specific Molecular Frequency generated by the electronics in the MFD provides the discrimination of the concentrated E/M fields by "matching" the resonating frequency of that selected element and establishing a harmonic relation to that specific element. In addition, it provides an overriding of the unwanted E/M fields allowing only the field of the selected (discriminated to)element to come through to be measured by the reaction of the L-Rods or electronically metered"

Really looks like a scientific explanation , doesn´t it? :lol:
Are GPS sells going well too?

"The specific Molecular Frequency generated by the electronics in the MFD provides the discrimination of the concentrated E/M fields by "matching" the resonating frequency of that selected element and establishing a harmonic relation to that specific element. In addition, it provides an overriding of the unwanted E/M fields allowing only the field of the selected (discriminated to)element to come through to be measured by the reaction of the L-Rods or electronically metered"

Wow! Fred, your assumption really does have you confused. It's obvious to most that the above description has to do with physics. Dowsing is not even mentioned.
GPS sales? I have no idea what you are talking about.

Some of you seem to have an imagination beyond belief. But, dream on. Dell :lol:

[Max]

Wow! you folks really are confused. It's obvious to most that the above description has to do with physics. Dowsing is not even mentioned. Some of you seem to have an imagination beyond belief. But, dream on. Dell :lol:

Have you put some wooden boards around... ???

Don't wanna you'll be catch by the hurricane this time! :lol:

Who will build the omniglue there ??? On request... what a shame! :rolleyes:

[Fred]

Wow! Fred, your assumption really does have you confused. It's obvious to most that the above description has to do with physics. Dowsing is not even mentioned.
But it is on you site, explaining how your stuff works! :lol:

GPS sales? I have no idea what you are talking about.

Sorry,i meant GPR

[Dell Winders]

But it is on you site, explaining how your stuff works!So? What's your point?

No, I haven't sold any GPR systems for several years. Inquiries from my website are referred back to the factory in Latvia.

After Congress granted frequencies to the FCC, that werer being used by GPR manufacturers, they enacted new laws. First, that GPR was outlawed from use in the US. Then after months of protest, new laws require all GPR operators in the U.S. to be licensed specific to the city, and specific purpose the GPR is to be used.

Also, the new rules required manufacturers to have their products tested, and FCC approved in a recognized U.S. laboratory before they can be sold in the USA. Unfortunately for me, Radar Systems, Inc never submitted their products to a US laboratory for testing, and FCC approval.

Accurate Locators, reportedly invested a big chunk of money in Radar Systems, and they awarded my useless USA/Canada franchise to Accurate Locators. It was a big financial loss for me that left me heavily in debt.

I can't make any claims to being any good at business. Dell

[Fred]

So? What's your point?
I´m getting more and more confused.I think your are good at that.

My point is:
-Are your LRL´s based on electronics or dowsing?
If it is on dowsing, i don´t know why you can explain how it works on your site but not here.
-If it is based on electronics, i would really like to know on what scientific (i know you hate the word) basis it works.You must know, if you have built the circuit.


I can't make any claims to being any good at business. Dell
:lol: i wish i were as good as you are, selling what you sell between 300 and 1000+USD with 3 months of backorder doesn´t look so bad!

[Theseus]

My point is:
-Are your LRL´s based on electronics or dowsing?
If it is on dowsing, i don´t know why you can explain how it works on your site but not here.
-If it is based on electronics, i would really like to know on what scientific (i know you hate the word) basis it works.You must know, if you have built the circuit.

Wow! You just posed the $64,000 dollar question. Good luck on getting a satisfactory answer.

And, if he tells you it is based on pure electronics (no dowsing involved); ask him why there are still L-rods involved, and why they must be held in the operator's hand.

[Steve in MS]

Maybe these are some kind of disclaimer.
OK, quiz time, guess who stated this:

Please don't have the impresion that any single piece of equipment is going to find the treasures you seek.

The -----(model no.) has yet to prove its merat with a recovery.

(another model no) At the moment I really don't know the extent of its
capabilities, or of its limititions.

[Dell Winders]

Fred, I'm sorry, I was ready to hit the submit button to post an explanatory reply, when my computer disengaged me from the internet.

I don't have time to rewrite my post, and I see the peanut Gallery has already chimed in, so I won't waste my time to elaborate. But to answer your question, It is suffice to say that the products I build are not based on Dowsing, or Electronics. Dell

[Steve in MS]

Fred, I'm sorry, I was ready to hit the submit button to post an explanatory reply, when my computer disengaged me from the internet.

I don't have time to rewrite my post, and I see the peanut Gallery has already chimed in, so I won't waste my time to elaborate. But to answer your question, It is suffice to say that the products I build are not based on Dowsing, or Electronics. Dell

What:D? Not based on dowsing or electronics:lol:, that doesn't leave much room since pivot rods are mechanical, maybe these are divining rods made by the gods themselves:D.

[Morgan]

http://www.h3tec.com/product.html


Gee, I can hardly wait to purchase one of these.
I dont know how much cost this new dowsing LRL. Its expensive i´m sure.
Each new lrl p00p box who go to TH market as allways clients,no problem if it works or not,or if cost 1000 $ or 100.000 $,i´m sure many people will buy it :shocked:

[Clondike Clad]

So? What's your point?

No, I haven't sold any GPR systems for several years. Inquiries from my website are referred back to the factory in Latvia.

After Congress granted frequencies to the FCC, that werer being used by GPR manufacturers, they enacted new laws. First, that GPR was outlawed from use in the US. Then after months of protest, new laws require all GPR operators in the U.S. to be licensed specific to the city, and specific purpose the GPR is to be used.

Also, the new rules required manufacturers to have their products tested, and FCC approved in a recognized U.S. laboratory before they can be sold in the USA. Unfortunately for me, Radar Systems, Inc never submitted their products to a US laboratory for testing, and FCC approval.

Accurate Locators, reportedly invested a big chunk of money in Radar Systems, and they awarded my useless USA/Canada franchise to Accurate Locators. It was a big financial loss for me that left me heavily in debt.

I can't make any claims to being any good at business. Dell
WHY DID YOU CHANGE IT?
NOW THE WE ALL KNOW THE THE MAN ON IT WAS NOT YOU.
IS THAT WHY YOU CHANGED IT?
DELL YOUR ARE A MASTER SNAKE OIL MAN.
WHAT I WANT TO SAY IS A MASTER LIAR

[Theseus]

Fred, I'm sorry, I was ready to hit the submit button to post an explanatory reply, when my computer disengaged me from the internet. Dell

Your computer seems to have a mind of its own. I've heard you use that excuse before; that it dumped you off the Internet. I've even heard you say that evil "hackers" got into your computer and deleted a bunch of your files.

You and Mike certainly seem to have similar computer problems. Remember when he claimed someone hacked his computer and put a list of porn sites on it, to make it look like he'd visited those sites. Do you guys have the same ISP? :lol:

[Fred]

Fred, I'm sorry, I was ready to hit the submit button to post an explanatory reply, when my computer disengaged me from the internet.

Too bad, it was a logical question ,considering the previous posts...
And the reason you invoqued to avoid answering was not very convincing : your PC disconnects too often , and others comments has never been a problem for you before.
Anyway you gave an obsure enought answer, don´t worry.
I didn´t want to push you angainst the wall...
Fred.

[Dell Winders]

Yes, it is frustrating. The last time it happened was on another computer. It has happened on other forums as well. But, on other forums I Copy as I write so I don't lose everything. This forum doesn't allow me to do that. The only way around it is to write the message on word pad, and copy to the forum.

It does seem strange that I appear to be the only person here to ever lose a post? Dell

[Dell Winders]

WHY DID YOU CHANGE IT?
NOW THE WE ALL KNOW THE THE MAN ON IT WAS NOT YOU.
IS THAT WHY YOU CHANGED IT?
DELL YOUR ARE A MASTER SNAKE OIL MAN.
WHAT I WANT TO SAY IS A MASTER LIAR

Clondike, I didn't realize my avatar was so important to you, so here it is back again. Enjoy!

No! this avatar is not a picture of me. Is your avatar a picture of you? Dell

[Fred]

Yes, it is frustrating. The last time it happened was on another computer. It has happened on other forums as well. But, on other forums I Copy as I write so I don't lose everything. This forum doesn't allow me to do that. The only way around it is to write the message on word pad, and copy to the forum.

It does seem strange that I appear to be the only person here to ever lose a post? Dell

Indeed.:rolleyes:
To copy,select your text and hit "ctrl-c" and you are done.

[Dell Winders]

Thanks!

[Clondike Clad]

So? What's your point?

No, I haven't sold any GPR systems for several years. Inquiries from my website are referred back to the factory in Latvia.

After Congress granted frequencies to the FCC, that werer being used by GPR manufacturers, they enacted new laws. First, that GPR was outlawed from use in the US. Then after months of protest, new laws require all GPR operators in the U.S. to be licensed specific to the city, and specific purpose the GPR is to be used.

Also, the new rules required manufacturers to have their products tested, and FCC approved in a recognized U.S. laboratory before they can be sold in the USA. Unfortunately for me, Radar Systems, Inc never submitted their products to a US laboratory for testing, and FCC approval.

Accurate Locators, reportedly invested a big chunk of money in Radar Systems, and they awarded my useless USA/Canada franchise to Accurate Locators. It was a big financial loss for me that left me heavily in debt.

I can't make any claims to being any good at business. Dell

If you are back order on your LRL thingacallits DEBT free be you by now.
Or is this a lie again???????.My kids seen a show about a talking bird named Polly I like to quote him( lier lier,,,,,,lier lier)

[Dell Winders]

Clondike, I've tried to answer a few personal questions, but this forum is not an appropriate place to relate all of life's challenges that brought me to my present status. However, if it is important to you, you are welcome to visit me in Central Florida, and see for your self. Dell

[Theseus]

Clondike, I've tried to answer a few personal questions, but this forum is not an appropriate place to relate all of life's challenges that brought me to my present status. However, if it is important to you, you are welcome to visit me in Central Florida, and see for your self. Dell

:rolleyes: Can you spell c-o-p o-u-t. ;)

[Steve in MS]

:rolleyes: Can you spell c-o-p o-u-t. ;)

Yes, all I see is a bunch of ducking and dodging when any question comes his way, claiming this is not the right place to answer, hmmm, all the time he keeps stating this, he could have easily at least answered the questions,
he would make a good politition:D.
I guess if you sell a product that doesn't work, this is the best way to handle the situation:lol:.

[Dell Winders]

Yes, all I see is a bunch of ducking and dodging when any question comes his way, claiming this is not the right place to answer, hmmm, all the time he keeps stating this, he could have easily at least answered the questions,Steve, What kind of work do you do?

What is your Home telephone number?

How much money do you make a year?

How old are you?

Have you ever used Drugs?

Do you use drugs now?


Theseus, what are you hiding from? Will you invite me to your home to see if you are lieing?

Thanks for answering a few personal questions. Dell

[J_Player]

As long as it is amusing to use other people's photos for your avatar, maybe this one would work for you...

[Fred]

Steve, What kind of work do you do?

What is your Home telephone number?

How much money do you make a year?

How old are you?

Have you ever used Drugs?

Do you use drugs now?


Theseus, what are you hiding from? Will you invite me to your home to see if you are lieing?

Thanks for answering a few personal questions. Dell
The questions i was asking were nothing personal...

[Dell Winders]

As long as it is amusing to use other people's photos for your avatar, maybe this one would work for you...

Thanks! That's not a photo of me either. Maybe you didn't notice, but I did change my avatar last night, and Clondike Clad got all riled up about it, so I switched back today to satisfy his objection to the new avatar.

I sure don't know what it is about this avatar photo that generates so much Skeptic attention? Do you know who it is? Dell

[joecoin]

Thanks! That's not a photo of me either. Maybe you didn't notice, but I did change my avatar last night, and Clondike Clad got all riled up about it, so I switched back today to satisfy his objection to the new avatar.

I sure don't know what it is about this avatar photo that generates so much Skeptic attention? Do you know who it is? Dell

I believe some people are agitated because you are using a picture of someone that is not you. However, that happens all the time, so I don't know why anyone would get upset about it. Perhaps they suspect you of trying to hide something? I don't know.

[J_Player]

I sure don't know what it is about this avatar photo that generates so much Skeptic attention? Do you know who it is?Nope, and I don't care on account of the picture in my avatar is not me either cuz I hide behind an alias. But you should seriously consider using my suggested avatar, cause it's just plain funnier than looking at that old red-shirt guy yer using.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Dell Winders]

Naw, it wouldn't work. It looks too much like Carl's avatar. Skeptics here seem to get confused easily. Dell :lol:

[Theseus]

Nope, and I don't care on account of the picture in my avatar is not me either cuz I hide behind an alias. But you should seriously consider using my suggested avatar, cause it's just plain funnier than looking at that old red-shirt guy yer using.

Best wishes,
J_P

You are absolutely right JP. Your choice is much more fitting, I would say. That guy you chose looks like he just stepped out of the little building on a used car lot... and can see a "live one" that he doesn't want to let get away. Kind of like when some technically-challenged fellow asks Dell if his dowsing do-dads will help him find treasure in his back yard. You can just see the dollar signs in Dell's eyes.

[Steve in MS]

Steve, What kind of work do you do?

What is your Home telephone number?

How much money do you make a year?

How old are you?

Have you ever used Drugs?

Do you use drugs now?


Theseus, what are you hiding from? Will you invite me to your home to see if you are lieing?

Thanks for answering a few personal questions. Dell

Really, what does this have to do with your ducking and dodging:D?
Sorry, I don't give my personal ID to solicitors or wackos:D, I wouldn't know which group to put you in or maybe in both:lol:?
Drugs:D? What kind of potion did you use when your dowse from 700 to 3000 miles aways:razz:, I have heard that taking very powerful hallucinogenics helps those that dabble in the metaphysical world:D, you and Mike, I hope both of you are taking something:razz:, I can't imagine anyone in their right mind making some of the statements you have made:D.
So what kind of drugs does it take to understand and operate Omitron and this GS pro:D, you do sell these don't you:D?
I really like the disclaimers you put on these, like,saying "this one hasn't proved its merit" or "I don't know the extent of its capabilities or of its limitations" :D say, that is about 50 dollars of material and it cost 900 or more:D?
Caveat emptor:lol:

[Dell Winders]

Well Steve, it looks like you are the one not answering personal questions. It's all right for you to not answer personal questions, but not all right for me?

Shame on the hypocrite.

O.K. Steve, You got a deal if you can build the Pro-4 for $50 each. I'll start with 50 complete units and be happy to pass the savings on to my customers. Dell

[Max]

As long as it is amusing to use other people's photos for your avatar, maybe this one would work for you...

it's the old pimp ! :lol:

[Clondike Clad]

Clondike, I've tried to answer a few personal questions, but this forum is not an appropriate place to relate all of life's challenges that brought me to my present status. However, if it is important to you, you are welcome to visit me in Central Florida, and see for your self. Dell
We will be in your part of the world next year.
You can show me how your detector works and I can post what I learn.
I will be bring some of my LRL detectors with me.
White's M6 with Eclipse Deepscan DD 1400 coil.White,s XLPRO with 25inch coil Plus some White's water detectors with 6inch and 950 coils.
Dell I will also be bringing my BIG DOG DETECTOR TO TEST WITH YOUR LRL DETECTORS I want to try my Smooth Mode on your gold( MINELAB GPX4000 WITH A TON OF COILS)Dell I got the Gold fever for some of that old SPAIN gold.
I hope you did not find it all.We can do some side by side testing.
Oh Dell I I only care about seeing your detectors only.
Hope to see you in 2009.Me and the wifie will be in the big camper so we will have a place to stay.

[Fred]

It's all right for you to not answer personal questions, but not all right for me?
I ave not made any personal question and didn´t got an answer from you either...

[Clondike Clad]

Thanks! That's not a photo of me either. Maybe you didn't notice, but I did change my avatar last night, and Clondike Clad got all riled up about it, so I switched back today to satisfy his objection to the new avatar.

I sure don't know what it is about this avatar photo that generates so much Skeptic attention? Do you know who it is? Dell
Wow If that is so, can you do one more thing stop the lies tha will aso keep me from being riled up.Dell now we are gettting somewhere.
But still who is that man it is not you and Clondike is getting riled up again.
You are good at what you do Dell.
Hope to work with you in 2009(like i said I GOT THE OLDE SPAIN GOLD FEVER.):lol:

[Dell Winders]

We will be in your part of the world next year.
You can show me how your detector works and I can post what I learn.
I will be bring some of my LRL detectors with me.
White's M6 with Eclipse Deepscan DD 1400 coil.White,s XLPRO with 25inch coil Plus some White's water detectors with 6inch and 950 coils.
Dell I will also be bringing my BIG DOG DETECTOR TO TEST WITH YOUR LRL DETECTORS I want to try my Smooth Mode on your gold( MINELAB GPX4000 WITH A TON OF COILS)Dell I got the Gold fever for some of that old SPAIN gold.
I hope you did not find it all.We can do some side by side testing.
Oh Dell I I only care about seeing your detectors only.
Hope to see you in 2009.Me and the wifie will be in the big camper so we will have a place to stay.Clondike, I am honored that you will come to visit us. Treasure hunting, and adventure is my passion, so we definitely have something in common.

There is a camp grounds just down the street from me, and another less than a mile.

I'm sorry, I don't have any gold, except for one small nugget. I cashed in a couple of coins I had for testing, for food & gas.

Despite the prejudice, hatred, stupid allegations, and character assinations against me on this forum, I do not lie, and have not lied to any one on this forum.

My avatar picture is of a person who goes to great measures to conceal his identity and could end up in serious trouble again if it is proven that he is still using the internet in a smear campaign of threats and libelous statements. He's a deceptive, well educated person with a mental problem that needs treatment.
I hope he gets it. I don't wish to reveal his name at this time, in the hope that he will seek professional help.

Clondike, I look forward to your visit, and hope you will give me a call at my home in Haines city, Florida and we can start to get acquainted. My number is 863 422 5454.

The invasion of Blind Mosquitoes inside my little work area have died. Now, I can clean out the Spider webs, and spiders, and turn the lights on and
get to work again. (the consequences of open living in a paradise)

I'll have to drop out of posting here for a while unless I have another work delay that allows me some time here. It's been fun. Thanks! Dell

[Max]

Clondike, I am honored that you will come to visit us. Treasure hunting, and adventure is my passion, so we definitely have something in common.

There is a camp grounds just down the street from me, and another less than a mile.

I'm sorry, I don't have any gold, except for one small nugget. I cashed in a couple of coins I had for testing, for food & gas.

Despite the prejudice, hatred, stupid allegations, and character assinations against me on this forum, I do not lie, and have not lied to any one on this forum.

My avatar picture is of a person who goes to great measures to conceal his identity and could end up in serious trouble again if it is proven that he is still using the internet in a smear campaign of threats and libelous statements. He's a deceptive, well educated person with a mental problem that needs treatment.
I hope he gets it. I don't wish to reveal his name at this time, in the hope that he will seek professional help.

Clondike, I look forward to your visit, and hope you will give me a call at my home in Haines city, Florida and we can start to get acquainted. My number is 863 422 5454.

The invasion of Blind Mosquitoes inside my little work area have died. Now, I can clean out the Spider webs, and spiders, and turn the lights on and
get to work again. (the consequences of open living in a paradise)

I'll have to drop out of posting here for a while unless I have another work delay that allows me some time here. It's been fun. Thanks! Dell

"My number is 863 422 5454."

Uhm... why don't use PM for that stuff ???

I think someone could have the bad idea to wrote that number in all say California's public baths linking that number to some se.xy phone service! :lol:

You could wake up by the phone everynight... just to hear some maniac on the other side of wire! :lol:

That's an idea for the old pimp! :D

Kind regards,
Max

[Qiaozhi]

I'm sorry, I don't have any gold, except for one small nugget. I cashed in a couple of coins I had for testing, for food & gas. Dell
Well Dell ... I don't know what to say. :rolleyes:
For a self-proclaimed "full-time treasure hunter", you appear to be almost destitute, without two cents to rub together. I guess that, you being the honest person you claim to be, meant you were unable to write "successful full-time treasure hunter" on your website. This is hardly a good advertisement for your products. It kind of reminds me of the fat woman, who sells dietary and nutritional supplements.

[Theseus]

Well Dell ... I don't know what to say. :rolleyes:
For a self-proclaimed "full-time treasure hunter", you appear to be almost destitute, without two cents to rub together. I guess that, you being the honest person you claim to be, meant you were unable to write "successful full-time treasure hunter" on your website. This is hardly a good advertisement for your products. It kind of reminds me of the fat woman, who sells dietary and nutritional supplements.

:lol: :lol: :lol: I'm sure you didn't actually fall for that line of BS. When he got to the line where he "sold off a gold nugget and an old coin to get groceries and gas".... I nearly fell on the floor laughing.

I mean, let's let a little logic into this picture. You've seen the inside of those boxes of do-nothing electronics, and you know what he sells them for. Then of course there is the paint-roller handle with the two cups of sand attached to it. He's always claimed to be backordered and "busy" building them. Just take the sales from say 5 years and take half of it and assume it is drawing interest at a modest rate. A family of 6 could easily live off that amount of interest ---no problem. And in his case, there are just two of them. Also, let's not forget about the income Trudy makes from the craft shows and tailgate sales.

There is one other thing that doesn't add up. If he's got enough money to hire a lawyer to harass this poor devil that he's got a grudge against, I hardly think he'd be selling off a nugget and a coin to put gas in his car and buy a hamburger.

If you read much of his stuff it's like.... he doesn't pay any attention to what he just said the day before, or in some cases; what he said in the beginning of the same message. Holy Crackers...... wouldn't you like to do business with a guy like that. After your final handshake, you better be counting your fingers.

[Qiaozhi]

:lol: :lol: :lol: I'm sure you didn't actually fall for that line of BS. When he got to the line where he "sold off a gold nugget and an old coin to get groceries and gas".... I nearly fell on the floor laughing.

I mean, let's let a little logic into this picture. You've seen the inside of those boxes of do-nothing electronics, and you know what he sells them for. Then of course there is the paint-roller handle with the two cups of sand attached to it. He's always claimed to be backordered and "busy" building them. Just take the sales from say 5 years and take half of it and assume it is drawing interest at a modest rate. A family of 6 could easily live off that amount of interest ---no problem. And in his case, there are just two of them. Also, let's not forget about the income Trudy makes from the craft shows and tailgate sales.

There is one other thing that doesn't add up. If he's got enough money to hire a lawyer to harass this poor devil that he's got a grudge against, I hardly think he'd be selling off a nugget and a coin to put gas in his car and buy a hamburger.

If you read much of his stuff it's like.... he doesn't pay any attention to what he just said the day before, or in some cases; what he said in the beginning of the same message. Holy Crackers...... wouldn't you like to do business with a guy like that. After your final handshake, you better be counting your fingers.
What I was trying to point out was (like you said) - "it doesn't add up". On the one hand we hear extraordinary claims of great riches being pinpointed, without even leaving the kitchen table (map dowsing), and on the other hand we read about poor old destitute Dell living a life of poverty with only one gold nugget to his name. If it wasn't for welfare, how could these LRL manufacturers survive? :lol:

[Steve in MS]

Despite the prejudice, hatred, stupid allegations, and character assinations against me on this forum, I do not lie, and have not lied to any one on this forum.

My avatar picture is of a person who goes to great measures to conceal his identity and could end up in serious trouble again if it is proven that he is still using the internet in a smear campaign of threats and libelous statements. He's a deceptive, well educated person with a mental problem that needs treatment.
I hope he gets it. I don't wish to reveal his name at this time, in the hope that he will seek professional help.

Dell

So you leaving while having so much fun:D, no one is threatening you, you are just paranoid:D from selling all those useless units:D, maybe you misread your dowser:D, it could be out of adjustment:D, like that really matters:lol:. Drugs again:D? Tea leaves are more more accurate than your units are:D, maybe you are using that method but replaced the tea with weed:D? Libelous statements:D? Maybe just struck a nerve or 2:D.
You do offer a money back guarantee in case your units don't work:D, dont you:D, that however may not be such a good idea because none of them work:D. We really appreciate all the good info you afforded us here:D, hopefully when others do a google search they will find it:D.

[Theseus]

Maybe if I take the picture of the Snake Oil salesman out of the "sig block", Dell will find some free time to come and play again.

[Sean_Goddard]

Dell, I think the issue is NOT whether an LRL works, but the bullsh*t and made up terms used to describe a metaphysical anomaly which, by virtue that is IS what is it, CANNOT be explained!

To my mind the people who designed these LRL's have stumbled upon something that works, and probably works well, but just make themselves look stupid by waffling a load of rubbish. THAT'S why you will find ridicule and derision for the subject here. It's not that we don't doubt the thing may or may not work, just the intellectual wannabes who profess to be able to understand and explain that which can't be either.

We ARE Engineers and Scientists, we deal in quantifiable units and measureable quantities of proven and explainable tangibles, not in "Pie in the sky" made up terms like ionic resonance. A few years ago, it was the ionic decay of gold (WTF??!!??) OH YAWN As an Engineer of some 30 yeras in the business, I admit I dont know it all, but this ionic BS is just meant to baffle and impress gullible idiots with more money than sense (just like the "I make $10000 per day from the internet and do NOTHING, buy my foolproof plan that tells you how, ONLY $25")....YEAH...YAWN...

I bet NO one has the rocks to advertise an LRL as "We don't know how it works, it just does, and we can PROVE it"!! Now THAT I would buy, but this SOOOOOOOOO Obvious made up rubbish, NAH I think not

HYPE DETECTOR ACTIVE..... B.S., PSEUDO SCIENTIFIC TERMS and HYPE Detected..!!!!!! :shocked:

[Theseus]

Dell, I think the issue is NOT whether an LRL works, but the bullsh*t and made up terms used to describe a metaphysical anomaly which, by virtue that is IS what is it, CANNOT be explained!


Exactly. As scientists and engineers, we already know the definitions of familiar rational terms both from physics and electronics. When LRL salesmen borrow these familiar terms, and then tie them together in odd ways, or worse yet, redefine them; --it will always trip the BS meter, and will make for interesting questions, demands for proof and debate.

It would be much better if they would simply make up their own terminology, to begin with, or as you suggest simply state they don't have any idea what is responsible for their results(?).

Unfortunately, it is a lot easier to disguise and sell dowsing constraptions with previously accepted (borrowed) and familiar terms, than with made up terms such as dohinky, flabbershist, polykookerbib and hefershaft.

Of course many of the commercial LRL items are purposely coupled (disguised) with electrical and electronic components, so I suppose it is natural to try and explain these do-nothing components, and circuits, with familiar terminology. Their targeted market are the gullible and technically-challenged, and they will always be dazzled by the lights and BS terminology.

[Sean_Goddard]

EXACTLY!!

[Rudy]

What I was trying to point out was (like you said) - "it doesn't add up". On the one hand we hear extraordinary claims of great riches being pinpointed, without even leaving the kitchen table (map dowsing), and on the other hand we read about poor old destitute Dell living a life of poverty with only one gold nugget to his name. If it wasn't for welfare, how could these LRL manufacturers survive? :lol:

Of course it adds up. You are just giving them too much credit. Dell and their ilk, pin point the location of a possible hoard of gold/silver/platinum/(pick any other). They just don't bother to retrieve the goodies. That's why he's broke.

A better question would be to ask why a rational person, after having pin pointed the location of treasure, packs up and goes home, without retrieving it.

The only possible conclusion is that they are not rational. Otherwise, it would mean they are lying when they say their LRL works. And we know they are honest persons, don't we? :D

[Sean_Goddard]

And we know they are honest persons, don't we? :D

OF COURSE [cough..cough] Did I infer any different??:D:D OOPS!!

Thought we'd established that about two years ago in another thread)

I guess we'll never convince them otherwise.

We'll I'm off to go buy that Ebook. I'm SURE the guy that's selling it is Kosher, he says I can be a millionaire in just six months IF I do exactly as he says. This one just HAS to work, now where are my bank account login details so I can give them to him to deposit my cheques from his Nigerian holding company?

While were on that I'll take some of that Snake Oil too I have this problem I've been told only THAT can cure...Hmmm TOO much information methinks:rolleyes::D

[Steve in MS]

Now that there are more rational minds around:D, their thinking that Carl is somehow evil for stating what he has and even offering a reward for a working LRL should not cause them any alarm. In fact, I think Carl should modify his proposal that the other side will lose an equal amount of money if they fail the test. Then they come on here and whine about how mistreated they are. I don't know about most but I don't give a rat's ***** how many he sells and if his customers are happy then that is fine with me but if there is any mixture of the metaphysical or paranormal in using these devices then science or observation will not prove that they are effective at what they are designed to do, that is like if someone claims to see a ghost, who knows if they really saw one of not, science or observation can not prove one way or the other.
Then to come on this forum without any proof or verifiable test results and expect to discount forum posters by name calling is really asking for the responses he got and to top it off refuse to answer any questions. I really just don't give a dam if LRLs work or not but I sure wouldn't buy one on the available information provided here or anywhere else, urban legends are not something I pursue.....

[Qiaozhi]

Of course it adds up. You are just giving them too much credit. Dell and their ilk, pin point the location of a possible hoard of gold/silver/platinum/(pick any other). They just don't bother to retrieve the goodies. That's why he's broke.
Actually, it might be you, who are giving them too much credit. :D The implication in your post is that they really are able to pinpoint "the location of a possible hoard of gold/silver/platinum", and the only reason they're broke is because they didn't bother to excavate it. In fact, they would have been even worse off, having spent so much time and money digging a huge hole ... and finding nothing! :lol:

LRLs and dowsing have a success rate that is no better than guessing.
Anyway - even a blind squirrel can sometimes find a nut.

[Max]

Actually, it might be you, who are giving them too much credit. :D The implication in your post is that they really are able to pinpoint "the location of a possible hoard of gold/silver/platinum", and the only reason they're broke is because they didn't bother to excavate it. In fact, they would have been even worse off, having spent so much time and money digging a huge hole ... and finding nothing! :lol:

LRLs and dowsing have a success rate that is no better than guessing.
Anyway - even a blind squirrel can sometimes find a nut.

Do you mean the PI detector ??? :lol:

[Qiaozhi]

Do you mean the PI detector ??? :lol:
You've lost me on that one...

[Götz von Berlichingen]

You've lost me on that one...

This one : http://oldradiobuilder.com/MDET.html :D

[Qiaozhi]

This one : http://oldradiobuilder.com/MDET.html :D
Thanks ... I lost the plot there for a moment. :rolleyes:

[Boattow]

Dell,
I'd like to take a stab at it. Is that Sam Scaffrey? Whatever happen to the old buzzard?
Boattow

[putrechigi]

http://www.h3tec.com/product.html


Gee, I can hardly wait to purchase one of these.

sorry but returning to the discussion someone was able to speak with the company H3 to get information about the product in the picture thanks

Best regards

[putrechigi]

does anyone know if work or not this lrl?