reply to criticism on geophysics thread

[hipopp]

Listen up guys! I am not just a darn idiot sucker who handed over $650 for a device that did not work...i could have got my money back but no way am i parting with my rangertell complete with hewlett packard mathematicians calculator "stuck" on top. I am a retired former technician/technical officer and i just happen to know about these things OK? I got it working for me after considerable messing about with it like resetting the aerial after each button change , had to work out everything myself pretty much cos they did not send me the CD with it till much later. Worked off their user guide onsite and spent hours and hours in a proper technical assessment of the thing. I stand by my word that i can pick up a nugget of 0.6 grams (that i bought on ebay to test it) at 50 meters. Fact! final! No error! My rangertell does not look anything like the one that was tested so you flamers get your facts straight before you slander a perfectly good product. Now having said all that, Ranger recomend you have a metal detector as well to save time locating the target when close up. Avoids using triangulation blah blah blah. A detector goes straight to the spot. Much quicker. But mates I can find a mineralised patch at distance and know what ground to avoid. You guys have to do the hard yards and trudge every square inch of soil to detect thereby wasting 99% of your time. You can argue with Ranger all you like about their productsbut mine WORKS!!!!!! I was sincere enough to leave you my contact details for anyone sincere in thier enquiries regarding its effectiveness as a gold detector. But do not bother thanks, I hate prejudice. A test of a product found wanting by the products opposition, you kidding me right? By the way I live in Patten ST Sale Victoria and am not associated with Rangertell in any way. Cheers....

[hung]

Hi Hipopp,

That the RT unit works, this is no surprise. If you look here in this forum, several months ago I wrote a report about the AC and even DC variations it produced when locating a target.
Of course Carl's 'parafernalia' started some years ago, a temptative to discredit it pretending that electronically it would do nothing.
As you know, it only requires a pair of neurons to prove the opposite. Since then his followers abounded just like some 'school of thought' in the past who ruled the earth was flat.

The RT works, but it's a rudimentary aproach to comunicate with target. Today, with the advent of modern electronics, a much more advanced system can be assembled.

Take care.

[Fred]

Listen up guys! I am not just a darn idiot sucker who handed over $650 for a device that did not work.......
Hi,
why did you start a new thread instead of to continue the other one? :shocked:

Hi Hipopp,
The RT works, but it's a rudimentary aproach to comunicate with target. Today, with the advent of modern electronics, a much more advanced system can be assembled.Take care.

"...available soon at a special price" , right ?

:razz:
Fred.

[hung]

"...available soon at a special price" , right ?

:razz:
Fred.

Sorry to disapoint you Fred, but I will reiterate again. The devices I use for TH WILL NEVER be sold remaining of my team's exclusive use and the Technology involved WILL NEVER be discussed here anytime. I'm not dealer of no LRL.

My advice for you is to do just like I did. Research, study and you will understand.
Regards.

[Theseus]

Listen up guys!

I'm listening; you voiced your opinion, now I'll voice mine. Seems fair doesn't it?

I stand by my word that i can pick up a nugget of 0.6 grams (that i bought on ebay to test it) at 50 meters.

I'm sure you can "pick up" your test nugget. However, unless that nugget was hidden according to strict Double-Blind Test Protocol, and the test was repeated a significant number of times, the results of such a test are really useless and prove nothing as to value/worth of your R-T dowsing rod.

My rangertell does not look anything like the one that was tested so you flamers get your facts straight before you slander a perfectly good product.

The mere fact that your R-T dowsing wand still has a calculator glued to the top of a swivel handle, indicates that Vincent Blanes is still using the advertising ploy that plugging numbers into the calculator is somehow influencing the sensitivity and/or discrimination "powers" of the dowsing rod. Nothing could be further from the truth. Nothing!

The ONLY thing that plugging those numbers in could be doing; is to mentally program the dowsers mind into believing the dowsing rod is now programmed to only pick up certain items, or at certain distances. Strictly a mental exercise, and nothing more.

Now having said all that, Ranger recomend you have a metal detector as well to save time locating the target when close up. Avoids using triangulation blah blah blah. A detector goes straight to the spot.

Of course Vincent would recommend the use of a metal detector. Vincent knows that if his dowsing rod points in a certain direction, you will then take your metal detector and start searching in EVER INCREASING diameter circles until BINGO! you eventually dig something up that might resemble what it was you were searching to find.

Several other LRL scam artists have recommended the use of a metal detector, for exactly the same reasons. They know that whenever an LRL contraption is melded with a metal detector, the operator will never know if what they found was as a result of the LRL, or the metal detector. But in all cases, the operator will want to believe that the LRL contraption was responsible for the find. It is a very old marketing trick and has been in use for decades now. Vincent merely borrowed the trick from other more established wallet-miners.

If you are really interested in determining the worth of your new R-T dowsing wand, test it against a bent piece of wire. Unfold a coat hanger and then bend it up into an L shape. If you actually compare the two (which I doubt you will) --you will find (in fair double blind tests) the bent wire will work every bit as good as the dowsing rod with a calculator glued on top.

But then, the coat hanger didn't cost a boat load of money!

Good Luck and Best Regards

[Qiaozhi]

I'm not dealer of no LRL.
Your English has declined - that's a double-negative. If you're not a dealer of no LRL, then you must be an LRL dealer. You said it , not me!
I wonder which one of your schizophrenic personalities I talking to?

I'm listening; you voiced your opinion, now I'll voice mine. Seems fair doesn't it?

I'm sure you can "pick up" your test nugget. However, unless that nugget was hidden according to strict Double-Blind Test Protocol, and the test was repeated a significant number of times, the results of such a test are really useless and prove nothing as to value/worth of your R-T dowsing rod.

The mere fact that your R-T dowsing wand still has a calculator glued to the top of a swivel handle, indicates that Vincent Blanes is still using the advertising ploy that plugging numbers into the calculator is somehow influencing the sensitivity and/or discrimination "powers" of the dowsing rod. Nothing could be further from the truth. Nothing!

The ONLY thing that plugging those numbers in could be doing; is to mentally program the dowsers mind into believing the dowsing rod is now programmed to only pick up certain items, or at certain distances. Strictly a mental exercise, and nothing more.

Of course Vincent would recommend the use of a metal detector. Vincent knows that if his dowsing rod points in a certain direction, you will then take your metal detector and start searching in EVER INCREASING diameter circles until BINGO! you eventually dig something up that might resemble what it was you were searching to find.

Several other LRL scam artists have recommended the use of a metal detector, for exactly the same reasons. They know that whenever an LRL contraption is melded with a metal detector, the operator will never know if what they found was as a result of the LRL, or the metal detector. But in all cases, the operator will want to believe that the LRL contraption was responsible for the find. It is a very old marketing trick and has been in use for decades now. Vincent merely borrowed the trick from other more established wallet-miners.

If you are really interested in determining the worth of your new R-T dowsing wand, test it against a bent piece of wire. Unfold a coat hanger and then bend it up into an L shape. If you actually compare the two (which I doubt you will) --you will find (in fair double blind tests) the bent wire will work every bit as good as the dowsing rod with a calculator glued on top.

But then, the coat hanger didn't cost a boat load of money!

Good Luck and Best Regards
I couldn't agree more ... well said. :thumb:

[J_Player]

Unfold a coat hanger and then bend it up into an L shape. If you actually compare the two (which I doubt you will) --you will find (in fair double blind tests) the bent wire will work every bit as good as the dowsing rod with a calculator glued on top.Is it really necessary to bend an L shape? Won't a coat hanger shape find treasure as well as an LRL?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Theseus]

Is it really necessary to bend an L shape? Won't a coat hanger shape find treasure as well as an LRL?

Best wishes,
J_P

Mmmmmm... probably.

[Qiaozhi]

Is it really necessary to bend an L shape? Won't a coat hanger shape find treasure as well as an LRL?

Best wishes,
J_P
Didn't you mean: "Will fail to find treasure as well as an LRL."? :lol:

[Fred]

Didn't you mean: "Will fail to find treasure as well as an LRL."? :lol:
If we consider that a LRL don´t find treasure at all , it does not matter: the sense remains the same :lol:

[Qiaozhi]

If we consider that a LRL don´t find treasure at all , it does not matter: the sense remains the same :lol:
Not really ... as the first statement makes an incorrect assumption.

[Clondike Clad]

First of all if I had a working lrl why in the hell would I be posting on this site.
I WOULD BE DIGGING AND GETTING RICH.
IF YOUR RT WORKS AND WE ALL KNOW IT DON'T ,GET RICH AND STOP beachchen(you know the word i can't use).:)
I will go back to LURKING "It is the same old lame crap again."
My LRL is a XL PRO with a 25 inch coil and anyone can make that puppy work.

[Max]

First of all if I had a working lrl why in the hell would I be posting on this site.
I WOULD BE DIGGING AND GETTING RICH.
IF YOUR RT WORKS AND WE ALL KNOW IT DON'T ,GET RICH AND STOP beachchen(you know the word i can't use).:)
I will go back to LURKING "It is the same old lame crap again."
My LRL is a XL PRO with a 25 inch coil and anyone can make that puppy work.

Wow.... what a fresbee ! :lol:

62+ cm diameter... and what about weight ???

Kind regards,
Max

[Qiaozhi]

My LRL is a XL PRO with a 25 inch coil and anyone can make that puppy work.
That sounds a real beast! :stars:

[Esteban]

First of all if I had a working lrl why in the hell would I be posting on this site.
I WOULD BE DIGGING AND GETTING RICH.
IF YOUR RT WORKS AND WE ALL KNOW IT DON'T ,GET RICH AND STOP beachchen(you know the word i can't use).:)
I will go back to LURKING "It is the same old lame crap again."
My LRL is a XL PRO with a 25 inch coil and anyone can make that puppy work.

Trying White's Eagle II as LRL for 7-10 meters for a single coin. Appears this detector is good in depth... :razz:

Regards

Esteban

[Clondike Clad]

Trying White's Eagle II as LRL for 7-10 meters for a single coin. Appears this detector is good in depth... :razz:

Regards

Esteban
What the he** did you do to that detector?
Well one this I know is the inside of whites detectors.
NO WAYYOU CAN DETECT A COIN 7 to 10 METERS with that coil.
NO WAY AT ALL THAT IS A FACT.
PURE BULL . I can't stand it anymore of the bull crap.
Anyone with half a brain with electronics know that is pure crap.
tO ANY ONE THIS IS BUSTED I KNOW WHITES DETECTORS AND THIS IS BUSTED.

[Fred]

What the he** did you do to that detector?
Well one this I know is the inside of whites detectors.
NO WAYYOU CAN DETECT A COIN 7 to 10 METERS with that coil.
NO WAY AT ALL THAT IS A FACT.
PURE BULL . I can't stand it anymore of the bull crap.
Anyone with half a brain with electronics know that is pure crap.
tO ANY ONE THIS IS BUSTED I KNOW WHITES DETECTORS AND THIS IS BUSTED.
:lol: Loosing you nerve ?? I did too before, with you...:lol:
I like Esteban´s experiments.
Fred.

[hipopp]

thank you for the rational reply Hung. I will be the first to admit the ranger has its shortcomings but so has a conventional detector. But i spent all day in 100 degree heat pounding a goldfield with the latest minelab only to dig up a 100 targets which turned out to be nails bullets brass buttons and all sorts of other trash. Totally exhausted and my friend faye does not ever want to go out again. You call that fossicking? not me. I bought the ranger because it was going to allow me to zoom in to a patch of mineralised ground from a distance. Here in australia our outback is so vast that virgin territory still exists. The ranger will allow me to drive and cover say 150 miles a day while detecting the country to the sides of the road up to a few miles either side. Could not ask for anything more than that. I give up with the guys here they are so ultra conservative makes yer sick. After trying the ranger in a magnetic field for you it stopped working properly and i let it rest overnight. Is OK now this morning. Degaussed. But you know what ? the more i mess about with it the more i learn. While picking up my nugget on the floor again here i set it to minimum distance to just pick it up at 6 feet. BUT BUT BUT it still picked up Faye and all her gold jewellry sitting on a chair practising guitar. Messed about more with it and found....that....if you adust to pick up a minimal target distancewise a much larger target will override the distance setting...extremely valuable in the field to tune out trash and false signals. What got me annoyed with the ranger when i bought it was the amount of self discipline needed to learn to use it for your own body. I think most on this site would not be prepared to go to the lengths to try to understand it. Bit more than flicking a switch. Will let you know the results of a field trip i am doing next week. regards....p.s what other technology is available???

[Esteban]

What the he** did you do to that detector?
Well one this I know is the inside of whites detectors.
NO WAYYOU CAN DETECT A COIN 7 to 10 METERS with that coil.
NO WAY AT ALL THAT IS A FACT.
PURE BULL . I can't stand it anymore of the bull crap.
Anyone with half a brain with electronics know that is pure crap.
tO ANY ONE THIS IS BUSTED I KNOW WHITES DETECTORS AND THIS IS BUSTED.

Not only the coil, this is a way. Another RF sensor is necessary and a few more. But, of course, you, for experience, :lol: know that can't be possible. As I use simple oscillator type off-resonance as some meters MD, so I think this White's coil and circuit are betters!

Regards

Esteban

[Esteban]

Here the "busted" White's I was post in thread Old forgotten metal detectors and the detector too: :lol:
http://www.thunting.com/geotech/forums/showthread.php?t=14255&page=4

Regards

Esteban

[Clondike Clad]

Here the "busted" White's I was post in thread Old forgotten metal detectors and the detector too: :lol:
http://www.thunting.com/geotech/forums/showthread.php?t=14255&page=4

Regards

Esteban
I hope people are reading this 7 to 10 meter crap.
First of all you would have to gut the detector.
The electroics and the coil will not pick up a coin at 7 to 10 meters( Oh let look at it this way ,pick up a coin fron my roof to the ground.) With kids in the yard how many coins will it pick up at one time.This thing must pinpoint like a laser...WOW the $hit is getting deeeeep.
I better go back to lurking again.

[Steve in MS]

Esteban, I know you are a knowledgeable person and you are very helpful on these forums in many ways. I think I read some of your posts before that you have come up with a way to detect a single coin at a greater distance than what can be accomplished by others at this time.
OK, it is time for you to either patent your idea or show us a schematic of your device so others can share in your invention.
Now I don't post on the remote sensing forum as I feel that those who believe in them should have a place where they can exchange ideas and better their equipment or find one of these devices that make them happy.
If your device truly will do this, I am sure Max and others will build one to see if has merit.
Just thought I would see how you will respond to this,
Regards,
Steve

[Esteban]

I hope people are reading this 7 to 10 meter crap.
First of all you would have to gut the detector.
The electroics and the coil will not pick up a coin at 7 to 10 meters( Oh let look at it this way ,pick up a coin fron my roof to the ground.) With kids in the yard how many coins will it pick up at one time.This thing must pinpoint like a laser...WOW the $hit is getting deeeeep.
I better go back to lurking again.

If you can send a rocket to Moon at 384,000 km, don't understand why is impossible to pick up a coin (buried for some years) at 7 or 10 meters and at depth 30-40 cm... The problem is: science don't put effort in this. Other think is pick up small nugget at X meters with this, but a solid coin, for example, is different and don't know why round objects are better detectable, maybe because round forms "mantain" the "charge".

[hung]

Esteban, I know you are a knowledgeable person and you are very helpful on these forums in many ways. I think I read some of your posts before that you have come up with a way to detect a single coin at a greater distance than what can be accomplished by others at this time.
OK, it is time for you to either patent your idea or show us a schematic of your device so others can share in your invention.
Now I don't post on the remote sensing forum as I feel that those who believe in them should have a place where they can exchange ideas and better their equipment or find one of these devices that make them happy.
If your device truly will do this, I am sure Max and others will build one to see if has merit.
Just thought I would see how you will respond to this,
Regards,
Steve

What about Esteban's merit?
If he was gullible enough he would do just that and share his long time research ideas which would be instantly digested by inescrupulous people and pirated to be sold since this is a public forum.

Do you really believe someone who develops such projects is that gullible?

[Esteban]

Esteban, I know you are a knowledgeable person and you are very helpful on these forums in many ways. I think I read some of your posts before that you have come up with a way to detect a single coin at a greater distance than what can be accomplished by others at this time.
OK, it is time for you to either patent your idea or show us a schematic of your device so others can share in your invention.
Now I don't post on the remote sensing forum as I feel that those who believe in them should have a place where they can exchange ideas and better their equipment or find one of these devices that make them happy.
If your device truly will do this, I am sure Max and others will build one to see if has merit.
Just thought I would see how you will respond to this,
Regards,
Steve

Detect with this kind of device requires adjust the pot. sens. control in a point between almost random and stability, so operator must be delicate in this, since if you retire a fraction of milimeter the pot. you'll don't detect small items.

Is not a good idea to show here at eyes of all the world, since at first opportunity many replicate and sell for thousands dollars of euros.

[Esteban]

What about Esteban's merit?
If he was gullible enough he would do just that and share his long time research ideas which would be instantly digested by inescrupulous people and pirated to be sold since this is a public forum.

Do you really believe someone who develops such projects is that gullible?

Hung

Just I respond in similar terms!

Regards

Esteban

[Esteban]

I hope people are reading this 7 to 10 meter crap.
First of all you would have to gut the detector.
The electroics and the coil will not pick up a coin at 7 to 10 meters( Oh let look at it this way ,pick up a coin fron my roof to the ground.) With kids in the yard how many coins will it pick up at one time.This thing must pinpoint like a laser...WOW the $hit is getting deeeeep.
I better go back to lurking again.

If you colect all my serious post about it (there are not very serious too –private wars, etc.–) :lol:, you'll obtain the only information about it... maybe at size of a book.

[Fred]

If you colect all my serious post about it (there are not very serious too –private wars, etc.–) :lol:, you'll obtain the only information about it... maybe at size of a book.
Yes, but it is sometimes dificult to separate serious from non-serious, and facts from assumptions :)
Regards,
Fred.

[Esteban]

Yes, but it is sometimes dificult to separate serious from non-serious, and facts from assumptions :)
Regards,
Fred.
When I want to be serious, attacks deviate all what I wish to transmitt to all you. So, some attitude demonstrates that in reality nobody wish to know about it.

Regards :)

Esteban

[Fred]

When I want to be serious, attacks deviate all what I wish to transmitt to all you. So, some attitude demonstrates that in reality nobody wish to know about it.

Regards :)

Esteban

It´s true. :shrug:

Regards,
Fred.

[J_Player]

If you can send a rocket to Moon at 384,000 km, don't understand why is impossible to pick up a coin (buried for some years) at 7 or 10 meters and at depth 30-40 cm... The problem is: science don't put effort in this. Other think is pick up small nugget at X meters with this, but a solid coin, for example, is different and don't know why round objects are better detectable, maybe because round forms "mantain" the "chargScientists have navigated to the moon, but their real expertise is seen by few people in many areas that are not so visible to the public. Consider the MMI corporation, that finds enormous deposits of ore up to 5000 feet below the surface of the ground. They are virually unknown outside of the mining communiy. And there are many other scientific specialties that are hidden from the eyes of the general public.

The scientists who figure out how to navigate to the moon, and how to find ore deposits 5000 feet below the surface are brilliant engineers that devote their time to cutting edge technology. They work with the most advanced methods to improve the current state of the art technology. So why don't these scientists put effort into improving LRLs?

Could it be because they are rolling on the floor with laughter at the very thought that a BFO can locate buried treasure? Do you suppose they consider LRLs a waste of time the same as Carl-NC does?

Think about it... If a NASA scientist were to believe that an LRL could work, then wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that he would build one for a hobby in hopes of finding fabulous wealth so he could quit his job and retire? I think he would do this if he believed there is a chance.

But what do we see?
No scientist has ever made any post stating he has become wealthy from using or from improving an LRL ever. When a scientist walks away from what he considers a bogus idea, then how can we non-scientists presume to know better? Where are the huge unbelievably fabuosly treasures that have been recovered from LRLs? (not the fake stories from the past with low res photos, but eye-witness accounts of an LRL finding treasure)?

Do you suppose these accounts of LRLs finding treasure in front of eye witnesses don't exist? Have you wondered why nobody on earth is willing to demonstrate an LRL recovering treasure? It couldn't be because these LRLs can't find treasure, could it?

Is it any wonder why a scientist will not give the time of day to devote to promoting LRL treasure machines?

Best wishes,
J_P

[hung]

Think about it... If a NASA scientist were to believe that an LRL could work, then wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that he would build one for a hobby in hopes of finding fabulous wealth so he could quit his job and retire? I think he would do this if he believed there is a chance.

But what do we see?
No scientist has ever made any post stating he has become wealthy from using or from improving an LRL ever. When a scientist walks away from what he considers a bogus idea, then how can we non-scientists presume to know better? Where are the huge unbelievably fabuosly treasures that have been recovered from LRLs? (not the fake stories from the past with low res photos, but eye-witness accounts of an LRL finding treasure)?

You are completely misinformed on this. Nasa has several top secret technologies which are not released to the publid. One of them is the technology wich makes possible to map gold deposits for instance from the space. No it's not MRI or all the inocent tech you will find typing related subjects in google. It's well beyond that.
You're from USA. NASA's homeland. I'm from South America. And you don't know about this.
Now when they are able to know the gold deposit from the space, why in the hell they would need a LRL for!??? :lol::lol:

Another subject for you to meditate in bed: Why US are always involved in wars??:razz:


Is it any wonder why a scientist will not give the time of day to devote to promoting LRL treasure machines?

Let's put this way pal...
What this same scientist would do if he could recover a UFO or he happened to host an alien in his home?
Would he make a press release of call CNN right away?:lol:

Have a nice day.:)

[Esteban]

Hung, J_P, all

Whe're walking on earth, so we need a cheap method just for found treasures, not mapping, this is out of my/our expectations. NASA has (and need) aerial or spacial mapping method, this is, into his method of searching.

Treasure searching is more for hobbyist, maybe not interesting for mining companies, USA government, etc. Except shipwreck treasures, searching for real companies dedicated for recovery big treasures in the sea, also is out of my expectations.

Desert salt in Bolivia today is of interest causes the most source of lithium in the world, and is one of the most viewable site from space. An astronaut said that it differs very well because the salt desert shines as a great light source.

The persons who do not have money for to buy a very expensive detector, be must experiment and search with his domestic, but effective methods, of search and this is cheaper to be constructed an electronic LRL.

One constructs these devices knowing that behind a treasure hides some phenomenon that makes it detectable for domestic methods, as for example type magnetic absorption.


Regards

Esteban

[joecoin]

You are completely misinformed on this. Nasa has several top secret technologies which are not released to the publid. One of them is the technology wich makes possible to map gold deposits for instance from the space. No it's not MRI or all the inocent tech you will find typing related subjects in google. It's well beyond that.
You're from USA. NASA's homeland. I'm from South America. And you don't know about this.
Now when they are able to know the gold deposit from the space, why in the hell they would need a LRL for!??? :lol::lol:

If this secret technology is not released to the public, how does a guy in South America named Hung know about it? You are the James Bond of Bolivia, aren't you Hung? How exciting!

Another subject for you to meditate in bed: Why US are always involved in wars??:razz:

USA is always involved in wars because other countries are very jealous and want to kill the people in the USA. So the USA should just let it happen?




Let's put this way pal...
What this same scientist would do if he could recover a UFO or he happened to host an alien in his home?
Would he make a press release of call CNN right away?:lol:

Why not?

Have a nice day.:)

You have a nice day also.

[joecoin]

You are completely misinformed on this. Nasa has several top secret technologies which are not released to the publid. One of them is the technology wich makes possible to map gold deposits for instance from the space. No it's not MRI or all the inocent tech you will find typing related subjects in google. It's well beyond that.
You're from USA. NASA's homeland. I'm from South America. And you don't know about this.
Now when they are able to know the gold deposit from the space, why in the hell they would need a LRL for!??? :lol::lol:

If this secret technology is not released to the public, how does a guy in South America named Hung know about it? You are the James Bond of Bolivia, aren't you Hung? How exciting!

Another subject for you to meditate in bed: Why US are always involved in wars??:razz:

USA is always involved in wars because other countries are very jealous and want to kill the people in the USA. So the USA should just let it happen?




Let's put this way pal...
What this same scientist would do if he could recover a UFO or he happened to host an alien in his home?
Would he make a press release of call CNN right away?:lol:

Why not?

Have a nice day.:)

You have a nice day also. .

[Clondike Clad]

Now if someone made the real thing"Why in the hell would he or she post anything on this forum..CIA,FBI KGB OR WHATEVER would be looking for them:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:: lol::lol::lol::lol:I would be getting stinking rich first and not tell anyone I have a working LRL:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D I would also take CARL'S MONEY and the MILL that's $1,000,000:razz::razz::razz::razz:
So why is it no one is taking CARL'S MONEY, Chit I would fly to Carl take his money and go home if I had a real LRL.
It is free money for the taking:oh::oh::oh::oh::oh::oh::oh::oh::oh::oh::oh: :oh::oh::oh::oh::oh::oh::oh::oh:
So now if you have a working LRL take CARL'S MONEY $25,000 dead ones:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolle yes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolle yes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolle yes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolle yes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolle yes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolle yes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolle yes:

[J_Player]

You are completely misinformed on this. Nasa has several top secret technologies which are not released to the publid. One of them is the technology wich makes possible to map gold deposits for instance from the space. No it's not MRI or all the inocent tech you will find typing related subjects in google. It's well beyond that.
You're from USA. NASA's homeland. I'm from South America. And you don't know about this.
Now when they are able to know the gold deposit from the space, why in the hell they would need a LRL for!???
It looks like hung has done it again. He shoveled another load of BS from his heaping steamy pile. So what flavor of BS is hung shoveling recently? Could it be "top secret technology for mapping the earth's gold" by NASA scientists?

Is hung saying the NASA's method for mapping of the earth's mineral deposits is a secret, and the people who live in the USA should know about it? Hahahahahahaaaaaaaaa... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Before you accuse others of being completely misinformed, perhaps you should read the posts in this forum. You will find that you first learned about how NASA mapped the gold deposits from a post I made, and followed up with your reply that "gamma rays as you know are unstable and difficult to deal with" See your post: http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/showpost.php?p=53638&postcount=9

You will also note that this was your reply to my post stating that the Bickel gold detector is designed to find only the stable isotope of gold: 79Au196. Do you suppose you were wrong when you stated that gamma rays are unstable and difficult to deal with? Are you aware that there is no instability in the Bickel gold sensing machine? Are you aware that this was the detector used by NASA in their satellites to map the world's gold and other mineral deposits? Are you aware that there is no secret about this mapping technology? Would you like to see the NASA web page that tells how they locate minerals using gamma spectroscopy? Look here: http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/science/how_l2/gamma_scintillators.html

The work of mapping the world's mineral deposits was done decades ago. Today scintillation from the stable nuclide of gold is still used, but with more modern sensors. When the CZT solid state detectors become as sensitive as the photomultiplier tubes and crystals, they will probably replace the crystal/tube assembly.

So how secret is all this NASA technology for mapping the earth's minerals? How did I know about it while you expressed your doubts because "gamma rays are unstable and difficult to deal with"? Why are we able to read about this alleged "top secret technology" on the NASA web page? How come what I read on the NASA web page reveals exactly the same method that their designer, Dr. Bickel explained to me in the 1980s? Is it possible this "top secret technology" is just another load of hung BS?

You will find there are quite a few related instruments and methods that NASA uses to map the earth and other planets, as well as to determine the elements in stars... which are also explained on NASAs web page among other places.

You will note there are no calculators glued to the scintillators used by NASA to find gold. Also, no antennas connected to a bent wire to transfer signals, no search coils or ferrite sensors, no BFO or off resonant circuits, no hot melt glue. Just plain old electronic engineering that works every time to detect a gamma signature.

So what have we learned today, hung?
Have we learned that you still have an aversion to reading facts, and prefer telling fairy tales because you think they sound cooler? Have we learned you don't have a clue about what you're talking about, and just make up any old story that you think people will believe? I wonder if I should believe all the stories you told about finding fabulous treasures with your LRLs? Think so? :lol:

Best wishes,
J_P

Some people are so dum they should have a song written about them... http://h1.ripway.com/Forum_Weasel/forum/whosdum.html

[Steve in MS]

Now if someone made the real thing"Why in the hell would he or she post anything on this forum..CIA,FBI KGB OR WHATEVER would be looking for them:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:: lol::lol::lol::lol:I would be getting stinking rich first and not tell anyone I have a working LRL:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D I would also take CARL'S MONEY and the MILL that's $1,000,000:razz::razz::razz::razz:
So why is it no one is taking CARL'S MONEY, Chit I would fly to Carl take his money and go home if I had a real LRL.
It is free money for the taking:oh::oh::oh::oh::oh::oh::oh::oh::oh::oh::oh: :oh::oh::oh::oh::oh::oh::oh::oh:
So now if you have a working LRL take CARL'S MONEY $25,000 dead ones:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolle yes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolle yes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolle yes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolle yes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolle yes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolle yes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolle yes:

I agree but let's take it one step further.
Either start mass producing a working LRL for sale after some proof that it works, or post up all the details of a working LRL for others to use.
These 2 options are the only ones that make any logical sense in trying to convince others that LRLs really work.
Other than these 2 options then folks will think they are not being truthful:D.
Everyone is entitled to believe what they want but there is nothing like proof :D:D:D:Dwhen trying to convince others:D:D:D:D.
If someone stated they have a vehicle that can travel to mars, what would you think:D:D:D:D?

[hung]

.If this secret technology is not released to the public, how does a guy in South America named Hung know about it?


Because this Hung from South America knows a scientist who worked for NASA and knows about it.

PS. By the way JP, you are the one who is full of BS. The liar who made others believe you had a working PD. Duh...

[Qiaozhi]

PS. By the way JP, you are the one who is full of BS. The liar who made others believe you had a working PD. Duh...
Maybe you were gullible enough to believe it .... I didn't! :razz:

[Fred]

I wonder if I should believe all the stories you told about finding fabulous treasures with your LRLs? Think so? :lol:

Best wishes,
J_P


Telling exotic and top secret BS is a way for Hung to show some superiority towards som people without giving possibility to prove it wrong.
So please JP do believe in Hung´s BS, it will be Christmas soon and he needs it...
Maybe you were gullible enough to believe it .... I didn't! :razz:
Must have been hard for him, someone with a working LRL !!?? :shocked:

[Carl-NC]

Dell said, "A NASA earth Scientist was this dumb Hillbilly's mentor and advisor, for Harmonic Induction Frequency Discrimination"

Hung said, "Because this Hung from South America knows a scientist who worked for NASA and knows about it."

Sounds like NASA is just chocked full of El-Ar-El experts. Maybe this is the technology they're using to locate all those new planets.

Hmmmm.... since I used to work at NASA, here's a quote fer ya:

"A former NASA engineer has analyzed LRLs and found them to be completely bogus."

- Carl

[J_Player]

Telling exotic and top secret BS is a way for Hung to show some superiority towards som people without giving possibility to prove it wrong.
So please JP do believe in Hung´s BS, it will be Christmas soon and he needs it... Oh I DO believe... I DO...
...Just like i believe in Santa Clause! Why should I doubt the mind of a child and spoil his favorite beliefs? Shall we all bow down in awe of hung's fantastic feats with his top secret LRL? ...and the magnificent treasures he found with it and his other LRLs? I bet we will see some credible proof of Santa Clause sliding down the chimney with presents before we see credible proof that hung found any treasure with an LRL. Think so? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Best wishes,
J_P

[Dell Winders]

Hmmmm.... since I used to work at NASA, here's a quote fer ya:

Were you a Janitor?

[J_Player]

Because this Hung from South America knows a scientist who worked for NASA and knows about it.Oh really?
So tell us hung... what secret methods did this scientist who worked for NASA tell you was used to find gold from satellites? Was it the same gamma spectroscopy method shown on the NASA web page? Can you elaborate on the details of this "top secret technology?"

Best wishes,
J_P

[Fred]

Anyway a scientist that give away secret technology is not a good scientist:razz:

[Clondike Clad]

If you colect all my serious post about it (there are not very serious too –private wars, etc.–) :lol:, you'll obtain the only information about it... maybe at size of a book.
Serious post about WHAT........It is not metal detecting but as it was put to me PURE BILLCHIT...this was told to me from someone who know more about electronic and math drunk than most professors who teach.:nono:

[Esteban]

Serious post about WHAT........It is not metal detecting but as it was put to me PURE BILLCHIT...this was told to me from someone who know more about electronic and math drunk than most professors who teach.:nono:

Dear Mr.: you're deeply wrong.

I have given so much real information and very usefully from my experience.

If you do not value it, you do not deserve it either.

Regards

Esteban

[hung]

Were you a Janitor?

:lol::lol:

[Clondike Clad]

Wow.... what a fresbee ! :lol:

62+ cm diameter... and what about weight ???

Kind regards,
Max

It's the "Big Daddy" of the deep searching loops. This gigantic loop was designed for use by Cache and Relic Hunters working in low mineral soils. The 25" Magnum Force loop sacrifices small target sensitivity for increased depth, and is best suited for finding targets of coffee can size or larger (definitely not a nugget hunting coil!). However, on large targets in low mineral soil it will achieve depths up to 3 to 5 feet depending on the size of the target. This loop is a favorite among Relic Hunters. Accurate discrimination is also lost and the 25" loop should only be used in the "all metal" mode following the instructions enclosed with it. Because of its size it is also heavier than other coils, so for ease of operation, an Arm Support System is included with purchase of the 25" loop. This coil is for the big stuff not for one coins.
Anyone can find metal with this coil on my XLPRO.:)

[UWLocator]

I decided a long time ago that the price paid for LRL devices has little to do with the cost associated with the device itself.

Customers are paying for the mental conditioning required. They have to be trained to determine which of the required conditions were not met when they attempted to use the device.

Education is expensive.

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