Sultans of LRL

[Max]

Hi,
is anybody home... ? :rolleyes:

I wanna see some pictures of you... "Sultans of LRL"! :lol:

With the treasures you recovered... sure... ;)

For all "Sultans of LRL" reading this message: do not hide beside an LRL and show the world this "technology" works not only as wallet mining! :D

I'm awaiting illumination....

Kind regards,
Max

[PanZero]

I think, if someone is found something valuable he will not tell that to others.

Cheers from Baltic,
PanZero.

[hung]

I think, if someone is found something valuable he will not tell that to others.

Cheers from Baltic,
PanZero.
You're absolutely right!:lol::lol:

[Geo]

You're absolutely right!:lol::lol:

I agree....:)
He does not need proves nothing:lol:
He take the money and ........ wind.......................

[Max]

So we'll not see the sultans... I see..:D

[Geo]

So we'll not see the sultans... I see..:D

I agree:)

[putrechigi]

this is little treasure that i find with my tejon is little but very beautiful is in silver ;) i think where i find this wih good lrl we can find thousand is big rocca

reguards

42°21'56.61"N
11°54'40.18"E

[Geo]

If you want to find coins (bronze and silver), try to work with simple lrl rods (without generator). I can find a coin with rods from 30 meters distance. But i can't find Gold:(:angry:, i dont know why. I use simple bronze L rods 50cm long and 5mm diameter, nothing else. But i can't locate big objects (only small) and gold.
If you have a friend to teach you then try it.
Believe me.......

[J_Player]

If you want to find coins (bronze and silver), try to work with simple lrl rods (without generator). I can find a coin with rods from 30 meters distance. But i can't find Gold:(:angry:, i dont know why. I use simple bronze L rods 50cm long and 5mm diameter, nothing else.Hmmm...

Bronze rods = find bronze
Maybe gold rods = find gold?? :oh:

Best wishes,
J_P

[Clondike Clad]

If you want to find coins (bronze and silver), try to work with simple lrl rods (without generator). I can find a coin with rods from 30 meters distance. But i can't find Gold:(:angry:, i dont know why. I use simple bronze L rods 50cm long and 5mm diameter, nothing else. But i can't locate big objects (only small) and gold.
If you have a friend to teach you then try it.
Believe me.......
I would like to know how to use the L RODs
I just can't get them to work.
All the people I know can't get them to work.
So if I read what is going on LRL only works for some peope and not all.

[Geo]

Hmmm...

Bronze rods = find bronze
Maybe gold rods = find gold?? :oh:

Best wishes,
J_P
Hi JP.
There is not reason to use gold rods.
With bronze rods i locate silver.... bronze.... aluminium.... iron....... but no gold:(. Of course i use sample at my fingers:).......
As i said my problems are the large objects and the gold.....
Never mind:):)
Regards:)

[Geo]

I would like to know how to use the L RODs
I just can't get them to work.
All the people I know can't get them to work.
So if I read what is going on LRL only works for some peope and not all.

Before years i had the same problem with you.
When i saw a friend to locate coins with his rods then i start to locate some objects. At first any object at small distance (2...3 m), later at more distance and later only what metal i wanted (with the use of sample at my hand).
If you 'll believe you will do it to work. It is not difficult.
Believe me!!!!!! Believe to the rods and they will work for you:):)

[Clondike Clad]

Looks Real Loony to me if I had believe in it to work.:lol:
SO I am one of the people who cannot get the LRL to work.

[Esteban]

Before years i had the same problem with you.
When i saw a friend to locate coins with his rods then i start to locate some objects. At first any object at small distance (2...3 m), later at more distance and later only what metal i wanted (with the use of sample at my hand).
If you 'll believe you will do it to work. It is not difficult.
Believe me!!!!!! Believe to the rods and they will work for you:):)

Yes, but who will believe you? Only persons with the enough practice and experience. :)

The technic is some complex, not simple as searching method used by the most persons. I know an only person wich has tremendous success, and use a complex method, but you need a "secretary" (other person) for this. :)

[Max]

Yes, but who will believe you? Only persons with the enough practice and experience. :)

The technic is some complex, not simple as searching method used by the most persons. I know an only person wich has tremendous success, and use a complex method, but you need a "secretary" (other person) for this. :)

Hi,
probably is a secretary... of state ? :D Some kissinger ... maybe! with same intellect I mean... ;)

Or maybe is like in "escape from new york" the movie... I'm sure he will give you the map of antitankmines and treasure chests along the way...:razz:

no, really what do you mean for "secretary" ??? someone that advice you what to do ??? Like how using your brass rods ??? :lol:

Kind regards,
Max

[Geo]

Yes, but who will believe you? Only persons with the enough practice and experience. :)

The technic is some complex, not simple as searching method used by the most persons. I know an only person wich has tremendous success, and use a complex method, but you need a "secretary" (other person) for this. :)


If people don't believe me then why they ask?????
As you know all we can say everything and to put smiles (:lol::lol::razz::razz:etc). I think that it is not so clever:nono:.
Now about the technic.... no it is not complex. It needs only a person to see you, and to tell some things (no secrets) about samples, depth.... etc. Of course it is very good to read some books, and to spend time for practice and experience.
Maybe one time to take a video with a friend that locate coins and to post here:):)

[Max]

If people don't believe me then why they ask?????
As you know all we can say everything and to put smiles (:lol::lol::razz::razz:etc). I think that it is not so clever:nono:.
Now about the technic.... no it is not complex. It needs only a person to see you, and to tell some things (no secrets) about samples, depth.... etc. Of course it is very good to read some books, and to spend time for practice and experience.
Maybe one time to take a video with a friend that locate coins and to post here:):)

was for me... ?

But I was answering Esteban... anyway now I understand: the secretary is the one who tell you (or let you understand) where targets are located... to make practice... OK... but then it's supposed you don't need him on the real search field !
Otherwise he must already know where treasure is. Am I right !? ;)

Kind regards,
Max

[Esteban]

Hi,
probably is a secretary... of state ? :D Some kissinger ... maybe! with same intellect I mean... ;)

Or maybe is like in "escape from new york" the movie... I'm sure he will give you the map of antitankmines and treasure chests along the way...:razz:

no, really what do you mean for "secretary" ??? someone that advice you what to do ??? Like how using your brass rods ??? :lol:

Kind regards,
Max

No, the secretary of the pic is not the best, no with this dress!!!:lol:

Regards

Esteban

[Max]

No, the secretary of the pic is not the best, no with this dress!!!:lol:

Regards

Esteban

Though the appearance is not so "smart", I'm afraid he's still the best if you plan to drop some bombs here and there. :lol:

I remember he made the plan for forcing the north-viets to the meet in Paris... that way! ;)

Kind regards,
Max

[Esteban]

was for me... ?

But I was answering Esteban... anyway now I understand: the secretary is the one who tell you (or let you understand) where targets are located... to make practice... OK... but then it's supposed you don't need him on the real search field !
Otherwise he must already know where treasure is. Am I right !? ;)

Kind regards,
Max

OK, ok I'll explain, but is large, need some explicative drawings. Are things I saw, and with this technic (of course, for some very scientific here this word is not appropiate:lol:, pardonnez-moi!) :lol: was digging (in my presence) a couple of 11 silver coins in a hoof of cow at 2.30 m depth. For me is more incredible the recipient used than the coins! :lol: Another time 4 gold coins below a floor of old house, located (the coins) at 800 m distance. And similars many times, located by the LRL rods manager and the assistant "secretary" :lol:.

They can search for gold, silver, iron, copper, and can discriminate it or for example search for combination of those (iron and gold, for example, this is important!). I remember once they search for iron and gold and found a sword and a medal mixed with bones, so we think was a militar died in battle.

With this method this singular person (LRL rod manager) has near 100% success, also at great distance, except one time that found a "cemetery" of electric lantern batteries (more than 50). But I think was for big "chemical" activity caused by the batteries! :lol: So, I'm a kind of witness:rolleyes: :lol: if you believe me only 10%! :lol:

Geo, you need an assistant and other things. Let me time for to write and drawing some things.

And more important: put in practice the method! :)

Regards

Esteban

[Esteban]

Though the appearance is not so "smart", I'm afraid he's still the best if you plan to drop some bombs here and there. :lol:

I remember he made the plan for forcing the north-viets to the meet in Paris... that way! ;)

Kind regards,
Max

Yes, you're right! This guy was the real president! :lol:

Regards

Esteban

[J_Player]

no, really what do you mean for "secretary" ??? someone that advice you what to do ??? Like how using your brass rods ??? :lol:Maybe Dell Winders would make a good secretary? :rolleyes:

Best wishes,
J_P

[Fred]

Maybe Dell Winders would make a good secretary? :rolleyes:

Best wishes,
J_P
Don´t think so: bad sense of communication ...
Fred.

[Geo]

was for me... ?

But I was answering Esteban... anyway now I understand: the secretary is the one who tell you (or let you understand) where targets are located... to make practice... OK... but then it's supposed you don't need him on the real search field !
Otherwise he must already know where treasure is. Am I right !? ;)

Kind regards,
Max
No.... not for you. We post the same time.
The secret is what sample you must use, at who hand etc...
first time dont hold sample, go to a place that there are a lot of iron objects, stop for 2 minutes with the hand and the rods down and put on your brain that you want to find iron. Then lift the rods and go...........
I know a lot of people who work succefully the rods, why you don,t believe it. It is strange to me that you have not saw people that can work the rods

[Geo]

With this method this singular person (LRL rod manager) has near 100% success, also at great distance, except one time that found a "cemetery" of electric lantern batteries (more than 50). But I think was for big "chemical" activity caused by the batteries! :lol: So, I'm a kind of witness:rolleyes: :lol: if you believe me only 10%! :lol:

Geo, you need an assistant and other things. Let me time for to write and drawing some things.

And more important: put in practice the method! :)

Regards

Esteban

"But I think was for big "chemical" activity caused by the batteries"
At LRL's (Rods) it is more difficult to locate a big target than a small. I think that the chemical have not work here.
Now about to let you time...... i wait. i make practice 4...5 times every week.
Regards

[J_Player]

why you don,t believe it. It is strange to me that you have not saw people that can work the rodsI believe... I believe..!
I saw a nuclear physicist use rods to find gold, so I believe. Now, if only I could learn to do the same.... :rolleyes:

Best wishes,
J_P

[Max]

No.... not for you. We post the same time.
The secret is what sample you must use, at who hand etc...
first time dont hold sample, go to a place that there are a lot of iron objects, stop for 2 minutes with the hand and the rods down and put on your brain that you want to find iron. Then lift the rods and go...........
I know a lot of people who work succefully the rods, why you don,t believe it. It is strange to me that you have not saw people that can work the rods

Hi,
I actually saw something similar... but was water search. The man who did that was very old and used a wooden Y shaped stuff, a raven.

And he did it... so there's something true about e.g. water dowsing I think. But problem is that any scientifical attempt to comprove these kind of abilities failed, as far I remember.

Personally I never saw one finding a coin or similar stuff using rods: there are legends and miths on that I hear but I know also that same people who reported some success with these "alternative" search methods also reported a huge number of big failures in VERY good places (but you have make they remember about...making lot of questions)! That's what me think most of the times it's luck or similar stuff... you go on the good places with one of these LRL-person and sometimes they spot something and stuff is found; other many times they failed you simply remove from your mind... self-deception process.

I think who belive in LRL forget about failures (many) and remember only about positive findings... they are good willing... but tricked by mind.

Kind regards,
Max

[Mike(Mont)]

Learning to use L-rods is a lot more difficult than most manufacturers let on. They forgot. It's like learning to ride a bike or fly a hang glider. Once you learn you don't have to think about it, you just do it. That's the physical part of it. You can't just detach yourself from the process at this point. You have to actively search for a response.

When doing a sweep procedure in almost all cases the rod does not point straight at the target. The edge of the target's field is a much stronger response. Many times for me, the rod will not want to cross that line.

Learning to feel the resonance, the psychic twinge, is important. When I get tuned in, I can feel a slight buzz in the air when the rod passes through the target's field. It's sort of like the buzz you hear when you are near high tension power lines only extremely faint. I've heard of people hooking up an FM radio to the L-rod and tune it to a dead spot then listen to the fields as you sweep the rod through them. Then try to learn to feel them.

[Dell Winders]

Personally I never saw one finding a coin or similar stuff using rods: there are legends and miths on that I hear but I know also that same people who reported some success with these "alternative" search methods also reported a huge number of big failures in VERY good places (but you have make they remember about...making lot of questions)! That's what me think most of the times it's luck or similar stuff... you go on the good places with one of these LRL-person and sometimes they spot something and stuff is found; other many times they failed you simply remove from your mind... self-deception process.

I think who belive in LRL forget about failures (many) and remember only about positive findings... they are good willing... but tricked by mind.

Kind regards,
Max

Such arrogance! Just because you claim to have never known any one who has studied, practiced, and learned to use Rod(s) successsfully is no indicator that it isn't being done by anyone else.

On the contrary, people have been informing you for years on this forum that it already has been done, and therefore it can be done. Failures are a part of any self learning process. you sound like you have have never experienced any failures in your own learning process?

I see your stupid mocking, harassments, and false accusations as nothing more than an attempt to cover up your own ignorance and inability, or unwillingness to learn from those who have offered to share their field experience with the use of Rod(s) or LRL with you.

Believing something before you actually experience it is not a prerequisite to learning. You are either mentally and physically capable of learning how to use Rod(s) successfully, or you do not have the mental or physical capicity to learn. Exercising your ability to lean is a personal choice. If you feel you already know everything there is to know about Science, the ability of the human mind, or how and, what hand held Rods respond to, you are the one being tricked by your own egotistical, think you know it all attitude.

When you learn to accept the fact that what is claimed to have been done, and therefore can be done, by nearly everyone, if they put forth the amounrt of time and effort it takes to learn to use Rods with LRL, or the human mind successfully.

Max, it's such a waste of human potential, and I feel sorry for you, but you and a couple of others here display your arrogance and egotism as a serious mental block to learning and comprehension.

"THE DOOR TO KNOWLEDGE & UNDERSTANDING IS NEVER OPEN TO A CLOSED, OR PREJUDICED MIND" Dell

[Max]

Such arrogance! Just because you claim to have never known any one who has studied, practiced, and learned to use Rod(s) successsfully is no indicator that it isn't being done by anyone else.

On the contrary, people have been informing you for years on this forum that it already has been done, and therefore it can be done. Failures are a part of any self learning process. you sound like you have have never experienced any failures in your own learning process?

I see your stupid mocking, harassments, and false accusations as nothing more than an attempt to cover up your own ignorance and inability, or unwillingness to learn from those who have offered to share their field experience with the use of Rod(s) or LRL with you.

Believing something before you actually experience it is not a prerequisite to learning. You are either mentally and physically capable of learning how to use Rod(s) successfully, or you do not have the mental or physical capicity to learn. Exercising your ability to lean is a personal choice. If you feel you already know everything there is to know about Science, the ability of the human mind, or how and, what hand held Rods respond to, you are the one being tricked by your own egotistical, think you know it all attitude.

When you learn to accept the fact that what is claimed to have been done, and therefore can be done, by nearly everyone, if they put forth the amounrt of time and effort it takes to learn to use Rods with LRL, or the human mind successfully.

Max, it's such a waste of human potential, and I feel sorry for you, but you and a couple of others here display your arrogance and egotism as a serious mental block to learning and comprehension.

"THE DOOR TO KNOWLEDGE & UNDERSTANDING IS NEVER OPEN TO A CLOSED, OR PREJUDICED MIND" Dell

Hi,
if I'm so ignorant... and you are so expert in the "art" of LRL why don't you buy a ticket for Italy then ?

I think Manolo will be happy if you'll show him how you can find treasures from remote... half a mile with a paint roller ! :lol:

His offer is serious... so , cause you already have done, and therefore it can be done again... do it there! :D

Now I have to learn using rods ??? Why ??? I have working , powerful MDs here with me... and found already good stuff... I'm pleased to learn something new... if there's something to learn... but I will not waste my time with some brass rod and a "secretary", unless some beautiful girl down my writing desk... :D cause if you mean those kind of secretaries... well, I agree with you! :lol:

Don't know why... but I think you'll not make any trip to Italy this summer...:cool:... maybe you still like your favourite Florida's beach...:razz:

Kind regards,
Max

[Esteban]

Hi,
I actually saw something similar... but was water search. The man who did that was very old and used a wooden Y shaped stuff, a raven.

And he did it... so there's something true about e.g. water dowsing I think. But problem is that any scientifical attempt to comprove these kind of abilities failed, as far I remember.

Personally I never saw one finding a coin or similar stuff using rods: there are legends and miths on that I hear but I know also that same people who reported some success with these "alternative" search methods also reported a huge number of big failures in VERY good places (but you have make they remember about...making lot of questions)! That's what me think most of the times it's luck or similar stuff... you go on the good places with one of these LRL-person and sometimes they spot something and stuff is found; other many times they failed you simply remove from your mind... self-deception process.

I think who belive in LRL forget about failures (many) and remember only about positive findings... they are good willing... but tricked by mind.

Kind regards,
Max

I went to places where others failed, and I found objects (with LRL rod, I use only one), even a man who was finding a site riddled with bronze, I took my rod and found silver... Exactly pinpointing, but out of the site infested by bronze and copper! :lol:

Sometimes deppend of you and the instruments... Many people go to a place with detectors and overlook or simply the detectors are not so good... :lol:

My country is not very rich in ancient objects, since is poor country, not thousands years of history... So, you can't find by coincidence! :lol:

Regards

Esteban

[Esteban]

Hi,
if I'm so ignorant... and you are so expert in the "art" of LRL why don't you buy a ticket for Italy then ?

I think Manolo will be happy if you'll show him how you can find treasures from remote... half a mile with a paint roller ! :lol:

His offer is serious... so , cause you already have done, and therefore it can be done again... do it there! :D

Now I have to learn using rods ??? Why ??? I have working , powerful MDs here with me... and found already good stuff... I'm pleased to learn something new... if there's something to learn... but I will not waste my time with some brass rod and a "secretary", unless some beautiful girl down my writing desk... :D cause if you mean those kind of secretaries... well, I agree with you! :lol:

Don't know why... but I think you'll not make any trip to Italy this summer...:cool:... maybe you still like your favourite Florida's beach...:razz:

Kind regards,
Max

Max, also I use MD and pistol, but can't find items at high depth. I remember a team dig a small silver cup full of jewels with LRL rods at 3.5 meters depth. Was found with the method I'll explain. This is one of the reason I use LRL rods. If you use this instrument, no mean you're ignorant! This mean you use more "artillery" in your searches! :lol:

Once a man (a friend) detect a point in a property of a person that DON'T BELIEVE in LRL rods. This friend told the landlord that below the soil is a rest of tree burned by a ray. They excavate and found a carbonized trunk! Since this time the unbeliever believe! :lol: Maybe some need to see for to believe than this man... :lol:

Regards

Esteban

[Esteban]

"But I think was for big "chemical" activity caused by the batteries"
At LRL's (Rods) it is more difficult to locate a big target than a small. I think that the chemical have not work here.
Now about to let you time...... i wait. i make practice 4...5 times every week.
Regards

I'm writing in word and drawing some figures... This consumes time! A sample (can be a success of library) :rolleyes: See the folder :lol: :lol: Sultans of LRL!!! Invented by Max :lol:

[Carl-NC]

"When you learn to accept the fact that what is claimed to have been done, and therefore can be done..."

The world is full of "opportunistic" people who make all sorts of claims, often in an effort to sell a product that simply doesn't work, or to seek "investors" while they "perfect" their invention. A good example are the "free energy" scams... they all claim to have a method of creating energy from nothing, but never seem to be able to actually demonstrate the method in a scientific manner. They run away from scientific testing, because they know it will expose the scam and kill their income.

LRL peddlers are no different. They have a product, they have the claims; but they can't seem to demonstrate the product and prove those claims. So the claims are empty. Let's see a scientific test of an LRL. It's not that difficult; in fact, it should be simple. But LRL manufacturers run away from these requests, in exactly the same way you would expect from someone peddling an intentional scam, like free energy.

I have personally been involved in a number of tests of LRLs, including people who claim to be "highly experienced" users, and even including one of the manufacturers. In every single case, without exception, they could not do what they claimed they could do. Therefore, "what is claimed to have been done, and therefore can be done" is a completely and totally vacuous statement.

- Carl

[Dell Winders]

Hi,
if I'm so ignorant... and you are so expert in the "art" of LRL why don't you buy a ticket for Italy then ?

I think Manolo will be happy if you'll show him how you can find treasures from remote... half a mile with a paint roller ! :lol:

His offer is serious... so , cause you already have done, and therefore it can be done again... do it there! :D

Now I have to learn using rods ??? Why ??? I have working , powerful MDs here with me... and found already good stuff... I'm pleased to learn something new... if there's something to learn... but I will not waste my time with some brass rod and a "secretary", unless some beautiful girl down my writing desk... :D cause if you mean those kind of secretaries... well, I agree with you! :lol:

Don't know why... but I think you'll not make any trip to Italy this summer...:cool:... maybe you still like your favourite Florida's beach...:razz:

Kind regards,
Max

Max, your display of mentality and attitude toward the rational discussion of the use of rod(s) or LRL, is a show of ignorance and prejudice.

For what logical reason would I pay my own expenses to Italy, to attempt to find Treasure for someone else, or go to that extreme to try to convince any one dis-interested that LRL might be an aid in helping them locate Treasure?


Planes fly both directions from Florida to Italy, for any one interested in learning LRL, and my own Welcome has no strings attached.

If you wish to continue your display of asininity, that's your prerogative, but don't expect a reply. Several of us may make the effort to show a mule the water, but we will not bother wasting time to attempt to get it to drink.

"THE DOOR TO KNOWLEDGE & UNDERSTANDING IS NEVER OPEN TO A CLOSED, OR PREJUDICED MIND" Dell

[Max]

Max, your display of mentality and attitude toward the rational discussion of the use of rod(s) or LRL, is a show of ignorance and prejudice.

For what logical reason would I pay my own expenses to Italy, to attempt to find Treasure for someone else, or go to that extreme to try to convince any one dis-interested that LRL might be an aid in helping them locate Treasure?


Planes fly both directions from Florida to Italy, for any one interested in learning LRL, and my own Welcome has no strings attached.

If you wish to continue your display of asininity, that's your prerogative, but don't expect a reply. Several of us may make the effort to show a mule the water, but we will not bother wasting time to attempt to get it to drink.

"THE DOOR TO KNOWLEDGE & UNDERSTANDING IS NEVER OPEN TO A CLOSED, OR PREJUDICED MIND" Dell

Hi,
no you're wrong again and make just empty words.

Manolo wrote you that what you will find there IS YOURS and not treasure of others, so if you accept the kind offer you'll not waste your time finding treasures for other people but just for you.

Also, Monolo wrote about he will refund you of any expense about ticket, hotel and the like if you will prove what you, arrogantly, still continue asserting here without proofs apart your big belly standing in the picture.

So maybe you need to improve your attention here...cause you're required to read posts... and understand what you read before say some more BS. :lol:

Your idiotic non sense writing seems tailored to you like the pretty shirt you dress so proudly ! :rolleyes: But I read and smile each word cause you depicted yourself for what you are: an old boastful cheater of the THs meetings, always ready to sell some other paint roller to the fools and some illusions to the moron of the day. :lol:

I wanna also warn you from overwriting here... stay on facts.

FACTS = 0

...so shut-up :lol: and buy your ticket ,business-class! Then post it here as proof that your sc**tum is not full of air and you don't use it as a balaclava! :rolleyes:

Ops... I'm becoming vulgar following your way of doing:nono:

Kind regards,
Max

[Dell Winders]

When you learn to accept the fact that what is claimed to have been done, and therefore can be done..."

The world is full of "opportunistic" people who make all sorts of claims, often in an effort to sell a product that simply doesn't work, or to seek "investors" while they "perfect" their invention. A good example are the "free energy" scams... they all claim to have a method of creating energy from nothing, but never seem to be able to actually demonstrate the method in a scientific manner. They run away from scientific testing, because they know it will expose the scam and kill their income.

LRL peddlers are no different. They have a product, they have the claims; but they can't seem to demonstrate the product and prove those claims. So the claims are empty. Let's see a scientific test of an LRL. It's not that difficult; in fact, it should be simple. But LRL manufacturers run away from these requests, in exactly the same way you would expect from someone peddling an intentional scam, like free energy.

I have personally been involved in a number of tests of LRLs, including people who claim to be "highly experienced" users, and even including one of the manufacturers. In every single case, without exception, they could not do what they claimed they could do. Therefore, "what is claimed to have been done, and therefore can be done" is a completely and totally vacuous statement.

- Carl

Too bad Carl, You haven't been able to prove anything Scientific with your gimmick challenges in all your years of bashing. You are running a scam on true Scientific studies and trying to fool viewers with personal prejudice, untruths, inferrences and inneuendo.

Where are all these field studies you have conducted with every LRL, or Dowsing, to pretend your conclusive pseudo-scientific results?

When you have conducted as many LRL field tests, on as many people, under the variety of conditions, that I have conducted, sometimes with the aid of Scientist, over the past 40 years, let me know and maybe with true experience you will be able to contain your closed minded prejudice.

I've offered to assist you conduct real Scientific studies in the field but you refuse to pay for the service of a knowledgeable LRL operator to conduct the necessary scientific studies.

Carl, You don't have a Scientific leg to stand on against the claims of this LRL user/ seller, and you know it. It's past time you gave up your BS Scientific pretense, and apologize to the hundreds of my customers who employ the successful use of this tool, and stop inferring that customers of my products are somehow mis-lead, lied to, or decieved by me, and they don't have the intelligence to make rational decisions to test the products for themselves, before they buy, and are unable able to think for themselves.

Of course, for you to admit you are wrong about me, is to admit libel. So I understand your dilemma, and you think you have to continue your chrade. I promise you, if conscience doesn't catch up with you, exposing the truth of your mis-deeds will. Dell

[Dell Winders]

I read the offer.
Sorry Max, you don't realize the cost, time and permitting for me to start a treasure project in another country. Any monies I invest are better spent in my locality.

There is no incentave for me to travel all the way to Italy. Dell

[Dell Winders]

Originally Posted by Geo
why you don,t believe it. It is strange to me that you have not saw people that can work the rods
I believe... I believe..!
I saw a nuclear physicist use rods to find gold, so I believe. Now, if only I could learn to do the same.... :rolleyes:

Best wishes,
J_P

It's not easy for some, especially me, but I'm sure that if I can learn to use the Rod(s) with success, so can you over time. Good luck! Dell

[Fred]

I read the offer.
Sorry Max, you don't realize the cost, time and permitting for me to start a treasure project in another country. Any monies I invest are better spent in my locality.

There is no incentave for me to travel all the way to Italy. Dell

This makes no sense :you could take your treasure form Italy and spend it in your locality , as it aparently deserves it more .

Dell ,why nobody can prove that L rods works? I can´t find any evidence that they really works.
Fred.

[Geo]

L rods works. But lets put the things at one line...
One detector detects every metal or what metal you want. L rods are not a metal detector. There are a lot of people that can find bronze or silver or iron at depth 10cm to 80 cm with L rods. There are other people that can find at bigger depth (10...150 cm). There are very little people (but there are) that can find gold. So the phenomenon there is.
If someone will visit Greece then can meet me and i will show him how work LRLs. It is an often phenomenon here. I want to believe Carl and everyone, so Carl.... you dont saw never someone to locate a bronze or a iron with Lrods??? If yes (no problem if only one time) then the phenomenon exists. If no ........ you must wait yet....
Regards:)

[Dell Winders]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dell Winders http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/showthread.php?p=73762#post73762)
I read the offer.
Sorry Max, you don't realize the cost, time and permitting for me to start a treasure project in another country. Any monies I invest are better spent in my locality.

There is no incentave for me to travel all the way to Italy. Dell

This makes no sense :you could take your treasure form Italy and spend it in your locality , as it aparently deserves it more .

Dell ,why nobody can prove that L rods works? I can´t find any evidence that they really works.
Fred.

Fred, your rationale doesn't make much sense. Why should I go all the way to Italy and spend extra money to search for unknown Treasure, devote time and cost to learn unfamiliar territory, and concern myself with legally taking Treasure out of a foriegn country, when Treasure to search for is historically buried all around me in Florida, and just as much fun without the hassals, or obligation.

What's stopping you from learning to use the Rods and accepting the offer, or taking Carl's so called scientific testing? Dell

[Qiaozhi]

Fred, your rationale doesn't make much sense. Why should I go all the way to Italy and spend extra money to search for unknown Treasure, devote time and cost to learn unfamiliar territory, and concern myself with legally taking Treasure out of a foriegn country, when Treasure to search for is historically buried all around me in Florida, and just as much fun without the hassals, or obligation.

What's stopping you from learning to use the Rods and accepting the offer, or taking Carl's so called scientific testing? Dell
Your reply only serves to prove why you live in near poverty, unable to even buy some stripboard, 555 timers, and a new hot glue gun. If dowsing was such a successful pastime, then you would not hesitate to discover the untold buried treasure on offer, and return home to live in luxury.
What doesn't work, cannot be made to work.

[Dell Winders]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dell Winders http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/showthread.php?p=73767#post73767)
Fred, your rationale doesn't make much sense. Why should I go all the way to Italy and spend extra money to search for unknown Treasure, devote time and cost to learn unfamiliar territory, and concern myself with legally taking Treasure out of a foriegn country, when Treasure to search for is historically buried all around me in Florida, and just as much fun without the hassals, or obligation.

What's stopping you from learning to use the Rods and accepting the offer, or taking Carl's so called scientific testing? Dell

Your reply only serves to prove why you live in near poverty, unable to even buy some stripboard, 555 timers, and a new hot glue gun. If dowsing was such a successful pastime, then you would not hesitate to discover the untold buried treasure on offer, and return home to live in luxury.
What doesn't work, cannot be made to work.

It's hard to argue with with absurd logic. For the record, I don't use any 555 timer, stripboard, or hot glue in any of the LRL I build. Why do you present yourself as a liar to the viewers here? Dell

[J_Player]

For the record, I don't use any 555 timer, stripboard, or hot glue in any of the LRL I build... DellUmmm... Who builds the Dell Systems Omnitron Pro-4 and X-Scan?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Qiaozhi]

It's hard to argue with with absurd logic. For the record, I don't use any 555 timer, stripboard, or hot glue in any of the LRL I build. Why do you present yourself as a liar to the viewers here? Dell
OK - here we go ... around the loop (no pun intended) once again:
What do you call this then?

;) "WHAT DOESN'T WORK, CANNOT BE MADE TO WORK.;)

[Fred]

Fred, your rationale doesn't make much sense. Why should I go all the way to Italy and spend extra money to search for unknown Treasure, devote time and cost to learn unfamiliar territory, and concern myself with legally taking Treasure out of a foriegn country, when Treasure to search for is historically buried all around me in Florida, and just as much fun without the hassals, or obligation.

What's stopping you from learning to use the Rods and accepting the offer, or taking Carl's so called scientific testing? Dell
Really from what you said before i could not imagine you were so full of treasures.:shocked:
The legall stuff is not an issue as it would be under Manolo´s "supervision" and you would only "have to" bring back €€€ or $$$ .

You also forgot my other question , wich answer is probably the knot of the problem.

Fred.

[Fred]

OK - here we go ... around the loop (no pun intended) once again:
What do you call this then?

;) "WHAT DOESN'T WORK, CANNOT BE MADE TO WORK.;)



Qiaozhi ,
They guy who build this was probably very poor,he could not afford some screws to fix the board...:rolleyes:
I guess he couldn´t find a treasure with it.
Regards,
Fred

[Dell Winders]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dell Winders
For the record, I don't use any 555 timer, stripboard, or hot glue in any of the LRL I build... Dell

Ummm... Who builds the Dell Systems Omnitron Pro-4 and X-Scan?

Best

On the Pro-4, I have the circuit boards printed, purchase the parts and enclosures and I assemble them.

The X-Scan, is assembled by me from a variety of purchased, and fitted componnents.

What's your point?

Originally Posted by Dell Winders http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/showthread.php?p=73771#post73771)
It's hard to argue with with absurd logic. For the record, I don't use any 555 timer, stripboard, or hot glue in any of the LRL I build. Why do you present yourself as a liar to the viewers here? Dell
OK - here we go ... around the loop (no pun intended) once again:
What do you call this then?

Qiaozhi's Ignorance? Qiaozhi's Stupidity? Qiaozhi's Lie?
Take your choice.

Dell

[Dell Winders]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dell Winders http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/showthread.php?p=73767#post73767)
Fred, your rationale doesn't make much sense. Why should I go all the way to Italy and spend extra money to search for unknown Treasure, devote time and cost to learn unfamiliar territory, and concern myself with legally taking Treasure out of a foriegn country, when Treasure to search for is historically buried all around me in Florida, and just as much fun without the hassals, or obligation.

What's stopping you from learning to use the Rods and accepting the offer, or taking Carl's so called scientific testing? Dell

Really from what you said before i could not imagine you were so full of treasures.:shocked:
The legall stuff is not an issue as it would be under Manolo´s "supervision" and you would only "have to" bring back €€€ or $$$ .

You also forgot my other question , wich answer is probably the knot of the problem.

Fred.

Fred, for a person who claims he can't coordinate the use of his mind with a pair of Rod(s), you surly think you are capable of thinking for some else. I'm sure glad you aren't my advisor.

Tell us about the last time you entered the U.S as an American citizen and smuggled more than $12,000 past U.S. customs?

Bear in mind, I don't Treasure hunt for dollars. My interest is in Treasure itself. The more ancient, the better. There are laws prohibiting the removal and transfer of cultural treasure from country, to another.

Dell ,why nobody can prove that L rods works? I can´t find any evidence that they really works.
Fred.

Fred, to answer your question, I have no idea why you don't know anyone that can prove to you that L Rods can work to serve as an LRL metering tool? If you want evidence you will accept, then you will have to learn how to use the Rod(s) and experience them working for yourself.

Of course, You will never learn by complaining about what other people do. Dell

[J_Player]

On the Pro-4, I have the circuit boards printed, purchase the parts and enclosures and I assemble them.Ok Dell,
Your web page says there is a state of the art computer programmed microcontroller circuit in the Dell Systems Pro-4. Can you show us where it is in the photo below, and what model number so we can look on the manufacturer's data sheet to see how stable the frequencies are?

Specifically, I am interested to know what computer chip is used, and what microcontroller chip.

P.S. Carl found an unusual component when he removed the epoxy from a pro-4.

[Dell Winders]

P.S. Carl found an unusual component when he removed the epoxy from a pro-4.

There you go again, lieing to the viewers. Doesn't the venom ever stop spewing from your mouth?

You know more about electronic componnents than I will ever care to know, so I'm sure you can tell the difference between a microcontroller and a 555 timer? The circuit is a small Frequency generator with 8 programmed frequencies.

Under the epoxy is a a few winds of 22 gauge copper wire, and a magnet. Certainly, Not anything that looks like what you have pictured. So again, you lie. :nono: Is that what you are trying to prove, that you are a liar?

Dell

[J_Player]

I'm sure you can tell the difference between a microcontroller and a 555 timer?No Dell,
I can't tell the difference from looking at that picture. I doubt anyone in this forum can tell whether the Pro-4 photograph shows a 555 timer or a microcontroller. I don't see anything that looks like a microcontroller, and the IC in the photo looks like some 555 timers I have seen. In fact, this is why I asked.

What is the chip number for the microcontroller that you claim is in the Pro-4? Also what is the chip number for the computer, or is it the same microcontroller that looks like a 555 timer?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Tim Williams]

It's a 16f628 and I wrote the code and designed the board. The frequencies are what Dell wanted.

Tim

[J_Player]

Thank you Tim,

It is nice to see we have some people who don't mind telling the truth instead of concealing it. From what I can see, the frequency stability of any transmitted frequency will depend on the stability of the clock. Am I correct?

If this is the case, then the prime importance is to connect a stable clock that will not drift with changes in temperature or battery charge. The good part is that once a stable clock is established, the range of frequencies produced will not drift as long as the clock frequency does not drift.

So the real answer to my question is the Pro-4 uses a 16f628 pic with flash memory, not a 555 timer. Sounds like a nice arrangement if the clock is calibrated and stable.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Dell Winders]

It is nice to see we have some people who don't mind telling the truth instead of concealing it.

There you go with your lieing inferences. I have been truthful about everything I've posted.

The number on what you graphically suggested was 555 timer after I posted I didn't use a 555 timer is pic 16f628A

Do you have any more lies to make up about me tonight, or are you satisfied with your BS for the day? Dell

[J_Player]

There you go with your lieing inferences. I have been truthful about everything I've posted.Oh Dell, I asked a direct question:

"What is the chip number for the microcontroller that you claim is in the Pro-4"?
You also see me asking about the identity of this part in the graphic.

Is asking a question now considered to be the same as telling a lie?

Rather than to answer the question, you chose to call me and everyone else a liar when they ask questions that you don't want the answers known. It appears you have been concealing the truth for a long time. Isn't this the same technique you used to try to conceal that Vernon Rose coined the term "forward gauss"? Didn't you in fact interject false information to lead the readers away from the fact that it was Vernon Rose?

Weren't you trying to conceal the true identity of the IC used in your Pro-4? Didn't you fail to admit it is a 16f628 until after Tim told us the truth about it?
Qiestion: "is this a pic that Dell claims is a microcontroller"?
Answer by Tim Williams: Yes - 16f628
Answer by Dell: Liar!
Question: "Did Dell write the hex code"?
Answer by Tim Williams: I wrote the code
Answer by Dell: Liar!
Question: Could it be a 555?
Answer by Tim Williams: It is a 16f628
Answer by Dell: Liar!

It appears to me that you are the one who is trying to brand people liars if they ask questions you do not want to answer.
Is it just me who feels this way? Or are there other readers who think this is happening too? :shrug:

Best wishes,
J_P

[Fred]

I agree with JP: Dell is attacking everyone making simples questions:

Fred, for a person who claims he can't coordinate the use of his mind with a pair of Rod(s), you surly think you are capable of thinking for some else. I'm sure glad you aren't my advisor.
I have never said i could or not use Lrods.I was only making a (logical) observation about a hypotetical trip to Itlay.

Tell us about the last time you entered the U.S as an American citizen and smuggled more than $12,000 past U.S. customs?
Is that a problem?? cant you just got to the bank and deposit the money on your account ??? :shocked:

Bear in mind, I don't Treasure hunt for dollars. My interest is in Treasure itself. The more ancient, the better.
Then Itlay is probably one on the best places to search...

Fred, to answer your question, I have no idea why you don't know anyone that can prove to you that L Rods can work to serve as an LRL metering tool?
I don´t know either...But that doesn´t answer my question.
If you want evidence you will accept, then you will have to learn how to use the Rod(s) and experience them working for yourself.
But again, why is it impossible to prove that it works?
Of course, You will never learn by complaining about what other people do. Dell
Complaining???? moi ???

Fred.

[Esteban]

You can acquire some skill if you trains:)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mt-1OrUlBSs

[Esteban]

Dell, takes calmly everything, laugh at all and at you itself, for your health! :lol:

[Dell Winders]

[.S. Carl found an unusual component when he removed the epoxy from a pro-4./QUOTE]
:nono:THAT'S A LIE!

http://www.treasureamerica.com/photo/JPlayer LIE.jpg

:nono:That's a BIG LIE!

[QUOTE]Originally Posted by Dell Winders
There you go with your lieing inferences. I have been truthful about everything I've posted.
Oh Dell, I asked a direct question:

"What is the chip number for the microcontroller that you claim is in the Pro-4"?
You also see me asking about the identity of this part in the graphic.

Is asking a question now considered to be the same as telling a lie?

Rather than to answer the question, you chose to call me and everyone else a liar when they ask questions that you don't want the answers known. It appears you have been concealing the truth for a long time. Isn't this the same technique you used to try to conceal that Vernon Rose coined the term "forward gauss"? Didn't you in fact interject false information to lead the readers away from the fact that it was Vernon Rose?

Weren't you trying to conceal the true identity of the IC used in your Pro-4? Didn't you fail to admit it is a 16f628 until after Tim told us the truth about it?
Qiestion: "is this a pic that Dell claims is a microcontroller"?
Answer by Tim Williams: Yes - 16f628
Answer by Dell: Liar!
Question: "Did Dell write the hex code"?
Answer by Tim Williams: I wrote the code
Answer by Dell: Liar!
Question: Could it be a 555?
Answer by Tim Williams: It is a 16f628
Answer by Dell: Liar!

It appears to me that you are the one who is trying to brand people liars if they ask questions you do not want to answer.
Is it just me who feels this way? Or are there other readers who think this is happening too? :shrug:

Best wishes,
J_P

:nono: THAT'S A COVER UP!

"THE DOOR TO KNOWLEDGE & UNDERSTANDING IS NEVER OPEN TO A CLOSED, OR PREJUDICED MIND" Dell

[Max]

[quote][.S. Carl found an unusual component when he removed the epoxy from a pro-4./QUOTE]
:nono:THAT'S A LIE!

http://www.treasureamerica.com/photo/JPlayer LIE.jpg

:nono:That's a BIG LIE!



:nono: THAT'S A COVER UP!

"THE DOOR TO KNOWLEDGE & UNDERSTANDING IS NEVER OPEN TO A CLOSED, OR PREJUDICED MIND" Dell

Do you mean it's not a speaker coil glued inside a pot casing ?

Or well... maybe you mean is not a speaker coil actually... but some other coil ? :lol:

Cause I'm sure of the pot casing and glue/epoxy there but not that the coil came from a speaker! :rolleyes:

Maybe was something more subtle like an handwound small coil!

Kind regards,
Max

[Dell Winders]

Do you mean it's not a speaker coil glued inside a pot casing ?

Or well... maybe you mean is not a speaker coil actually... but some other coil ? :lol:

Cause I'm sure of the pot casing and glue/epoxy there but not that the coil came from a speaker! :rolleyes:

Maybe was something more subtle like an handwound small coil!

Kind regards,
Max

I don't know what it is?

Max, You are following the one track mindset of when stupidity speaks and helps try to cover up another's lies. Your mockery is not an indication of of your intelligence.


Jplayer, in his efforts to discredit me posted the following, along with a photo of something, for effect.

P.S. Carl found an unusual component when he removed the epoxy from a pro-4.

It is a total LIE, posted by apparent habitual LIARS, to serve an unscroupulous agenda.

Carl, never removed any such object from the DELL SYSTEMS - OMNITRON, Model Pro-4. It's a lie, it's a Scam.

If you choose to sanction and be a part of the Lies, inferencences and inneuendos, then the Shame & hypocricisy is on you to to deal with your conscience.

I am not concerned about the effects of the Kangaroo court being held against me here. In the end Carl, is solely responsible for the content of this forum, and what you say.

"THE DOOR TO KNOWLEDGE & UNDERSTANDING IS NEVER OPEN TO A CLOSED OR PREJUDICE MIND" Dell

[J_Player]

It is a total LIE, posted by apparent habitual LIARS, to serve an unscroupulous agenda.Is it a total lie Dell? Have you ever read any information that explained where the speaker coil came from Dell?

Ok Dell, tell us where the speaker voice coil glued inside a pot casing came from. (Hint: Calling people liars does not explain where that speaker voice coil was found).

Best wishes,
J_P

[Fred]

Dell,
I dont know if you realize but your comments are completely counter productives and are just irritating .
Each time someone says something you call him liar with no explanation.Is this because there ara no explanations possible? like with my question about rods?
If someone ask "can you tell me what time is it?" and you just anwer "yes i can" ,that doesn´t help , and YOU make figure of a fool.
Fred.

[Qiaozhi]

Qiaozhi's Ignorance? Qiaozhi's Stupidity? Qiaozhi's Lie?

Take your choice.

:lol: :lol: :lol:
Did I touch a sore spot? :rolleyes:

All I actually did was to post a picture of some non-working device, which contains a 555 timer, some associated do-nothing-useful circuitry, and a whole wad of hot glue ... and then asked "What do you call this then?".
Apparently I'm now a liar. :???:
But why? Maybe somebody has a guilty conscience. :razz:

;) "WHAT DOESN'T WORK, CANNOT BE MADE TO WORK.;)

[Carl-NC]

For clarification, I own a Dell Systems GS-Pro, not a Pro-4. The GS-Pro did, indeed, contain a simple 555 oscillator and did, indeed, contain a speaker coil glued inside a Radio Shack potentiometer casing. It also came with a near-self-destructing accessory box which directly shorts out the battery. At some point in the past, Dell admitted to making the GS-Pro himself.

So, are those who claimed that I found this stuff in a Pro-4 all liars, or simply mistaken? Over the years, Dell has consistently chosen verbal attacks and misdirection over honesty and integrity. It stems from the kind of business he's in, where direct honesty is not an option. Over the years, I've watched classic scams such as magnetic therapy, homeopathy, and magic water get called out by skeptical health professionals, and the response from the people running the scams is to either completely ignore the skeptics as if they don't exist, or use name-calling and misdirection in an attempt to put the skeptics on the defensive.

Most LRL manufacturers have chosen the former. Dell has chosen the latter. You might get snippets of truth from Dell ("That speaker coil did not come from a Pro-4") but you will never get "the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth." Dell can't afford to do that. And, like the scams mentioned above, one thing you can count on is that none of the LRL manufacturers will ever ever ever get involved in objective testing of their product, if they truly understand how their product works. And Dell knows.

- Carl

[Qiaozhi]

I don't know what it is?

I am not concerned about the effects of the Kangaroo court being held against me here

"THE DOOR TO KNOWLEDGE & UNDERSTANDING IS NEVER OPEN TO A CLOSED OR PREJUDICE MIND" Dell
Hmmm.... I think you are just a little tiny bit concerned. Otherwise, why would you even bother to come here, where support for your ideas, concerning dowsing and LRLs, are clearly an object of ridicule.

May I also suggest that you change your "THE DOOR TO KNOWLEDGE, etc." quotation, to "DON'T CONFUSE ME WITH THE TRUTH. - DELL".
And ... by the way ... it's PREJUDICED MIND, not PREJUDICE MIND. That's something else entirely. :lol:

;) "WHAT DOESN'T WORK, CANNOT BE MADE TO WORK.;)

[J_Player]

For clarification, I own a Dell Systems GS-Pro, not a Pro-4. The GS-Pro did, indeed, contain a simple 555 oscillator and did, indeed, contain a speaker coil glued inside a Radio Shack potentiometer casing. It also came with a near-self-destructing accessory box which directly shorts out the battery. At some point in the past, Dell admitted to making the GS-Pro himself.Yes, You are exactly right. If you check the original post where you answered Dell's question where the speaker coil came from, we read "I pulled it out of the epoxied portion of a Dell Systems GS Pro". Dell knows this, but he failed to give any information, in preference to calling people liars.

Actually I made an error when I didn't read the first post close enough. This coil first appeared with mention of the Pro-4 here: http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/showthread.php?p=52708
If you scroll down, we find a later post where you identify it as coming from a GS Pro model.

Official Retraction:
No speaker voice coil glued inside a pot casing was ever found inside a Dell Systems Omnitron Pro-4 model that I know of. It was only found in a Dell Systems Omnitron GS Pro model. All references to a speaker coil in a model Pro-4 are errors. Any prospective customers who are considering purchasing a Dell Systems Omnitron Pro-4 model can feel safe that it is designed and programmed by an outstanding engineer, using state of the art electronics to produce very stable frequencies.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Carl-NC]

Yes, You are exactly right. If you check the original post where you answered Dell's question where the speaker coil came from, we read "I pulled it out of the epoxied portion of a Dell Systems GS Pro". Dell knows this, but he failed to give any information, in preference to calling people liars.

True, Dell knows exactly what you are talking about. Apparently he is ashamed of his past work; instead of saying, "Oh, that's from a GS-Pro, it was designed to do such-and-such..." he simply has a fit and calls people names. This has been his modus operandi for years.

Though I don't have a Pro-4, I'll take a guess that all that epoxy in his photo is hiding another embarrassment.

- Carl

[Dell Winders]

For clarification, I own a Dell Systems GS-Pro, not a Pro-4. The GS-Pro did, indeed, contain a simple 555 oscillator and did, indeed, contain a speaker coil glued inside a Radio Shack potentiometer casing. It also came with a near-self-destructing accessory box which directly shorts out the battery. At some point in the past, Dell admitted to making the GS-Pro himself.

So, are those who claimed that I found this stuff in a Pro-4 all liars, or simply mistaken? Over the years, Dell has consistently chosen verbal attacks and misdirection over honesty and integrity. It stems from the kind of business he's in, where direct honesty is not an option. Over the years, I've watched classic scams such as magnetic therapy, homeopathy, and magic water get called out by skeptical health professionals, and the response from the people running the scams is to either completely ignore the skeptics as if they don't exist, or use name-calling and misdirection in an attempt to put the skeptics on the defensive.

Most LRL manufacturers have chosen the former. Dell has chosen the latter. You might get snippets of truth from Dell ("That speaker coil did not come from a Pro-4") but you will never get "the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth." Dell can't afford to do that. And, like the scams mentioned above, one thing you can count on is that none of the LRL manufacturers will ever ever ever get involved in objective testing of their product, if they truly understand how their product works. And Dell knows.

- Carl True, Dell knows exactly what you are talking about. Apparently he is ashamed of his past work; instead of saying, "Oh, that's from a GS-Pro, it was designed to do such-and-such..." he simply has a fit and calls people names. This has been his modus operandi for years.

Though I don't have a Pro-4, I'll take a guess that all that epoxy in his photo is hiding another embarrassment.

- Carl

Carl, you continue to make up lies about me. These last posts are but more examples of your untruthfullness and prejudice. I feel sorry for what you are doing to your self. Trying to destroy my credibility is only destroying your own. Gossip mongering hasn't helped your agenda in the past, and it won't work now. Dell

[J_Player]

Carl, you continue to make up lies about me. These last posts are but more examples of your untruthfullness and prejudice.Is Carl printing untruthfullness? It looks to me like he just told the truth that you have been trying to conceal.
Carl told us where the speaker coil glued into a pot casing came from, when all you told us is we are liars. Didn't you conceal the truth about where that speaker coil came from, when Carl told us all about it? Scroll up, Dell... you will see you had plenty of time to answer the truth about my question before Carl finally came and answered it for you. But you also posted "I don't know what it is?" Isn't this a lie? Didn't Carl tell you what it is back when you asked here? http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/s...ad.php?p=52708 (http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/showthread.php?p=52708)

Isn't it true that Carl. Fred, Qiaozhi, and I were all correct? Didn't we all get it right about how you consistently chose verbal attacks and misdirection over honesty and integrity? Didn't your post just prove this to be true again?

So tell us Dell... what lies are you now claiming Carl continues to make up about you?
1. Did Carl lie when he said: "The GS-Pro did, indeed, contain a simple 555 oscillator and did, indeed, contain a speaker coil glued inside a Radio Shack potentiometer casing"?

2. Did Carl lie when he said: "Dell has consistently chosen verbal attacks and misdirection over honesty and integrity?"

3. Did Carl lie when he said: You might get snippets of truth from Dell ("That speaker coil did not come from a Pro-4") but you will never get "the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth"?

4. Did Carl lie when he said: "you can count on that none of the LRL manufacturers will ever ever ever get involved in objective testing of their product, if they truly understand how their product works"?

5. Did Carl lie when he said: "And Dell knows"?

6. Did Carl lie when he said: "True, Dell knows exactly what you are talking about"?

7. Did Carl lie when he said: "instead of saying, "Oh, that's from a GS-Pro, it was designed to do such-and-such..." he simply has a fit and calls people names"?

If it was not any of the above 7 things Carl said, then what exactly did Carl say that was a lie? Did Carl ask some question that you re-wrote in your mind as a statement, then judge Carl's question to be a lie?

Are you able to tell us a specific lie Carl told in his post? Or is this simply another example of a fool trying to pull the wool over the eyes of the readers in this forum?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Qiaozhi]

Carl, you continue to make up lies about me. These last posts are but more examples of your untruthfullness and prejudice. I feel sorry for what you are doing to your self. Trying to destroy my credibility is only destroying your own. Gossip mongering hasn't helped your agenda in the past, and it won't work now. Dell
I fail to understand why you even visit this website, unless you actually enjoy our witty repartee. :D

Non of your "liar, liar" responses do anything, except make you look a complete fool. Carl mentioned in an earlier post that there are two basic response mechanisms used by dubious traders. The first is to simply ignore the critics, and carry on regardless. While the second is to vocally deny everything, and claim that the critics are liars.

Perhaps it's time for you to switch strategy.

;) "WHAT DOESN'T WORK, CANNOT BE MADE TO WORK.;)

[PanZero]

sorry about my bad english.
I remember saying. ''You can fool some people for long time, many people for short time, but you cant fool all people for all the time.


Regards from Baltic,
PanZero.

[Qiaozhi]

sorry about my bad english.
I remember saying. ''You can fool some people for long time, many people for short time, but you cant fool all people for all the time.


Regards from Baltic,
PanZero.
And another good one is:

"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

;) "WHAT DOESN'T WORK, CANNOT BE MADE TO WORK.;)

[Fred]

And another good one is:
"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."



:lol: :lol: I like that one.

[Dell Winders]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders
Carl, you continue to make up lies about me. These last posts are but more examples of your untruthfullness and prejudice.

Jplayer, it appears you have trouble comprehending. I thought my reply to Carl, was clear. Is there anyone else that didn't understand the quote above?


Is Carl printing untruthfullness? It looks to me like he just told the truth that you have been trying to conceal.
Carl told us where the speaker coil glued into a pot casing came from, when all you told us is we are liars. Didn't you conceal the truth about where that speaker coil came from, when Carl told us all about it? Scroll up, Dell... you will see you had plenty of time to answer the truth about my question before Carl finally came and answered it for you. But you also posted "I don't know what it is?" Isn't this a lie? Didn't Carl tell you what it is back when you asked here? http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/s...ad.php?p=52708

No, I don't know what it is, or where Carl, got it from. I was not there, and I certainly have reason to doubt Carl, finding the item in the Pro-GS. It is obvious to me that what ever it is it would serve no purpose whatsoever, nor would not affect the integrity of the circuit one way, or the other. It looks like a piece of scrap metal.

Isn't it true that Carl. Fred, Qiaozhi, and I were all correct? Didn't we all get it right about how you consistently chose verbal attacks and misdirection over honesty and integrity? Didn't your post just prove this to be true again?

So tell us Dell... what lies are you now claiming Carl continues to make up about you?
1. Did Carl lie when he said: "The GS-Pro did, indeed, contain a simple 555 oscillator and did, indeed, contain a speaker coil glued inside a Radio Shack potentiometer casing"?

No, it was your lie when you insisted the PRO-4 had a 555 timer even after I said it did not. Regarding, the claim of a speaker coil glued inside a Radio Shack, potentiometer casing appears to be contrived. Do you know what possible purpose it would serve in the Pro-GS electronic configuration? I sure don't, and it was designed and built for me by an Electronics Tech.

2. Did Carl lie when he said: "Dell has consistently chosen verbal attacks and misdirection over honesty and integrity?"

YES!

3. Did Carl lie when he said: You might get snippets of truth from Dell ("That speaker coil did not come from a Pro-4") but you will never get "the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth"?

YES, he did lie. That can be proven in a court of law.

4. Did Carl lie when he said: "you can count on that none of the LRL manufacturers will ever ever ever get involved in objective testing of their product, if they truly understand how their product works"?

YES!

5. Did Carl lie when he said: "And Dell knows"?

YES! It was untrue regarding his reference.

6. Did Carl lie when he said: "True, Dell knows exactly what you are talking about"?

Yes! It was untrue regarding his reference

7. Did Carl lie when he said: "instead of saying, "Oh, that's from a GS-Pro, it was designed to do such-and-such..." he simply has a fit and calls people names"?

YES! I don't know where Carl, got the pictured item from. Do You? Were you there?

If it was not any of the above 7 things Carl said, then what exactly did Carl say that was a lie? Did Carl ask some question that you re-wrote in your mind as a statement, then judge Carl's question to be a lie?

Are you able to tell us a specific lie Carl told in his post? Or is this simply another example of a fool trying to pull the wool over the eyes of the readers in this forum?

Best wishes,
J_P

[J_Player]

Jplayer, it appears you have trouble comprehending. I thought my reply to Carl, was clear...

No, I don't know what it is, or where Carl, got it from. I was not there, and I certainly have reason to doubt Carl, finding the item in the Pro-GS. It is obvious to me that what ever it is it would serve no purpose whatsoever, nor would not affect the integrity of the circuit one way, or the other. It looks like a piece of scrap metal.Now Dell, You're not making sense.
You say you don't know what that thing is that Carl puilled out of the epoxied portion of a Dell Systems GS 4, yet Carl told you what it is over a year ago. Read carefully Carl's post here: http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/showthread.php?p=52708

Can you see where Carl says "a speaker voice coil glued inside a potentiometer casing?"

Are you still pretending you don't know what we see in that photo after we read your post next to Carl's post telling you what it is?

Of course I have trouble comprehending your reply. I really don't understand how you cannot know what the speaker voice coil and pot casing are after reading where Carl tells you exactly what they are and where he pulled them out of a year ago.

Can you explain how you don't know what the picture of a speaker coil and pot casing are after reading replies from Carl, me, Max, and a few others telling you exactly what they are over the past year? Your claim that you don't know doesn't make any sense to me, unless you are having uncontrollable bouts of memory loss.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Qiaozhi]

Now Dell, You're not making sense.
You say you don't know what that thing is that Carl puilled out of the epoxied portion of a Dell Systems GS 4, yet Carl told you what it is over a year ago. Read carefully Carl's post here: http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/showthread.php?p=52708

Can you see where Carl says "a speaker voice coil glued inside a potentiometer casing?"

Are you still pretending you don't know what we see in that photo after we read your post next to Carl's post telling you what it is?

Of course I have trouble comprehending your reply. I really don't understand how you cannot know what the speaker voice coil and pot casing are after reading where Carl tells you exactly what they are and where he pulled them out of a year ago.

Can you explain how you don't know what the picture of a speaker coil and pot casing are after reading replies from Carl, me, Max, and a few others telling you exactly what they are over the past year? Your claim that you don't know doesn't make any sense to me, unless you are having uncontrollable bouts of memory loss.

Best wishes,
J_P
:lol: :lol: :lol:
This is so funny!
Of course Dell understands perfectly well what a speaker coil glued into a potentiometer casing looks like. Even if this bunch of nonsense do-nothing-useful electronics was actually designed and built by someone else (as claimed by Dell) then the responsibility still lies with the seller. Claiming the limited knowledge of a hillbilly, and ignorance of electronics, is no defense. It appears to me that Dell should stay away from what he does not understand. My advice would be for him to go back to the mystic world of horoscopes, tarot cards, and dowsing.

I've just found that you can buy this really nice enamel badge for $3.00 from here:
http://www.americancacher.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=70&products_id=231
Perhaps we should all get one. :cool:

;) "WHAT DOESN'T WORK, CANNOT BE MADE TO WORK.;)

[Fred]

[/i]

No, I don't know what it is, or where Carl, got it from. I was not there, and I certainly have reason to doubt Carl, finding the item in the Pro-GS. It is obvious to me that what ever it is it would serve no purpose whatsoever, nor would not affect the integrity of the circuit one way, or the other. It looks like a piece of scrap metal.

Do you know what possible purpose it would serve in the Pro-GS electronic configuration? I sure don't, and it was designed and built for me by an Electronics Tech.



Dell, i´m confused : you keep saying you don´t know how it´s made and what´s inside the Pro-gs,or even what is the purpose of the "components", but you also say they don´t affect fucntions and that Carl and others are lying when they show a pot casing and coil found inside?
after all, how do you know they´re "all lying" if you didn´t build it and how it´s made?...

Fred.

[Carl-NC]

Obviously, Dell is not very proud of what he's done.

Simple question for Dell:

"Did you sell any GS-Pro's that contained a speaker voice coil stuck inside a potentiometer casing, that was then encased in epoxy?"

- Carl

[Dell Winders]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders
Jplayer, it appears you have trouble comprehending. I thought my reply to Carl, was clear...

No, I don't know what it is, or where Carl, got it from. I was not there, and I certainly have reason to doubt Carl, finding the item in the Pro-GS. It is obvious to me that what ever it is it would serve no purpose whatsoever, nor would not affect the integrity of the circuit one way, or the other. It looks like a piece of scrap metal.
Now Dell, You're not making sense.
You say you don't know what that thing is that Carl puilled out of the epoxied portion of a Dell Systems GS 4, yet Carl told you what it is over a year ago. Read carefully Carl's post here: http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/s...ad.php?p=52708 (http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/showthread.php?p=52708)

Can you see where Carl says "a speaker voice coil glued inside a potentiometer casing?"

Are you still pretending you don't know what we see in that photo after we read your post next to Carl's post telling you what it is?

Of course I have trouble comprehending your reply. I really don't understand how you cannot know what the speaker voice coil and pot casing are after reading where Carl tells you exactly what they are and where he pulled them out of a year ago.

Can you explain how you don't know what the picture of a speaker coil and pot casing are after reading replies from Carl, me, Max, and a few others telling you exactly what they are over the past year? Your claim that you don't know doesn't make any sense to me, unless you are having uncontrollable bouts of memory loss.

Best wishes,
J_P

JPlayer, it seems to me you may well have trouble with common sense as you suggest, so now you attempt to rationalize with presumption, and assumption with disregard to fact, or truth. This is a trait often displayed by members of the Skeptic clan that serve an unscrupulous agenda.

Yes, I have read what Carl, says the item is, and of course there is no way I can dispute that.

However as I clearly stated what is pictured I do not recognize it as being something I am familiar with. Appearing just as a piece of junk metal, I know of no possible reason for it to be included in the circuit of the Pro-GS. Neither, do I see where an unattached piece of junk metal would have any affect on the operation of the PRO-GS.

Do you think it would have an effect on the operation? How? What would be it's function. I don't know of any, therefore I am skeptical of Carl's claim.

Again, I ask those who so adamantly support Carl's claim of the source of the piece of junk metal, Were you there with Carl, at the time and physically witnessed him remove the object from a Pro-GS?

Carl, showed no wires connecting the junk metal to the circuit. Maybe those of you claiming expertise in everything electronic can logically explain what function an unconnected piece of junk metal embedded in epoxy would serve? Perhaps, only a pronounced Skeptic's method of bragging to his peers to enhance support for an unscrupulous agenda? Do you reckon that is a possibility?

Perhaps to support Carl's ridiculous gossip mongering that I am ashamed of the components I place in my products? Why would a truthful person say something like that?

I find it difficult to reconcile that Carl, himself really has any reason to believe some of the Crap he writes.

Dang JP, do I detect a bit of prejudice, and vindictiveness in you and your supporters same repeated line of irrational questioning?

Oh well, I'll try to be considerate of the rationale, agenda and gang mentality of the sources on Geotech. :lol:

Best wishes, Dell

[Fred]

"Did you sell any GS-Pro's that contained a speaker voice coil stuck inside a potentiometer casing, that was then encased in epoxy?"


Your question is a lie, it´s a lie you liar !!!
:razz:

[Dell Winders]

Obviously, Dell is not very proud of what he's done.

Simple question for Dell:

"Did you sell any GS-Pro's that contained a speaker voice coil stuck inside a potentiometer casing, that was then encased in epoxy?"

- Carl

Certainly not that I am aware of, nor do I know of any reason for it. You did say it was encased in epoxy, didn't you?

You are the claimed electronics expert, right? Perhaps you can tell me what function an apparently disconnected piece of junk metal would perform in a simple electronic circuit? So why is it so important to you? Dell

[Theseus]

Now Dell, You're not making sense. ....
Best wishes,
J_P

What's new? (rhetorical)

Not making sense... making a statement one day that completely contradicts a statement he made only hours earlier... answering all questions by calling the questioner a liar... making false claims and statements.... ; all of these and many more similar traits make up the total substance of Dell's entire LRL marketing scam schemes.

It is a routine he's practiced for many years, and I don't expect any of us will ever see him modify his routine.

Dell is what he is. An LRL scam artist (wallet miner), with a practiced line of BS that overflows even his shoes.

[J_Player]

JPlayer, it seems to me you may well have trouble with common sense as you suggest, so now you attempt to rationalize with presumption, and assumption with disregard to fact, or truth.Oh Dell,
It is beginning to sound like you are having another bout of memory lapse.

Let's start with historical facts:
1. You sold a GS Pro that a customer.
2. Carl removed a speaker coil glued to a potentiometer casing from the epoxy portion of that same GS pro.
3. Carl told you what the item he removed from the GS Pro was (a speaker coil glued to a potentiometer casing).
4. After Carl told you what the photo is, you claimed you don't know what it is, or where Carl got it.

Unless you are claiming that Carl falsified the fact that he removed the speaker coil from the GS Pro, or if you are claiming you did not sell the GS Pro, then it is certain that you sold a GS-Pro that contained a speaker voice coil stuck inside a potentiometer casing, that was then encased in epoxy. Doesn't common sense dictate this? Doesn't common sense also dictate that you knew what the photo was after Carl and several other people told you what it was for the past year? Have you figured out what that is a picture of yet?

It is not necessary for anyone to understand what effect a speaker coil would have on your GS Pro in order for you to sell it to your customer. What its purpose was has no influence on the historical facts that were observed, such as a customer saying he bought the GS Pro from you, or Carl pulling a speaker coil out of it. The facts are simply facts. I am not sure why you say I am ignoring them.
Do you think it would have an effect on the operation? How? What would be it's function.
Of course I don't know what would be the function of a speaker coil in the GS Pro. But I also don't know what would be the function of a 555 timer used as a signal generator without any amplifier either. Nor would I know what is the function of a buzzer that shorts out a battery connected across the pair of L-rods. I can see no way that any of these silly circuits could lead a person to finding treasure, yet we find them inside the GS Pro along with a speaker coil glued to a pot casing. From what I can see the speaker coil part seems consistent with the other circuitry in function.

But as I said, any function or non-function the speaker coil serves has nothing to do with the historical facts of you selling a GS Pro, and Carl removing a speaker coil glued to a pot casing from the same GS Pro, and you pretending to not know what is shown in the photo after being told what it is for the past year.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Max]

So... can I conclude that Dell is the real "Sultan of LRL" ??? :D

From what I see he realized big incomes just selling some perfboards and hot glue... and some brass rod/roller ...real "Sultan of LRL", no ?

Well... maybe is more like Kind Midas... he transmutate perfboards and glue into money and real GOLD 24K! :lol:

C'mon Dell... post some pictures of your batcave...wanna see the palace too! :rolleyes:

Kind regards,
Max

[Dell Winders]

yet we find them inside the GS Pro along with a speaker coil glued to a pot casing.

"Yet WE"? I am given the impression that Carl, was solely the one claiming to have found the anomaly? Tell me about your
part in Carl's amazing far fetched, discovery? :lol: Dell

[J_Player]

"Yet WE"? I am given the impression that Carl, was solely the one claiming to have found the anomaly? Tell me about your part in Carl's amazing far fetched, discovery? :lol: DellI saw the photo and read about it in this forum like the rest of us who read.

Are you saying that Carl did not pull a speaker coil glued to a potentiometer casing from the epoxied portion of a Dell Systems GS Pro?

[Dell Winders]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dell Winders
"Yet WE"? I am given the impression that Carl, was solely the one claiming to have found the anomaly? Tell me about your part in Carl's amazing far fetched, discovery? :lol: Dell

I saw the photo and read about it in this forum like the rest of us who read.

Are you saying that Carl, did not pull a speaker coil glued to a potentiometer casing from the epoxied portion of a Dell Systems GS Pro?

Are you saying that Carl, DID indeed pull a speaker coil glued to a potententiometer casing from the epoxied portion of a Dell Systems - Omnitron GS pro, without your knowing it to be a fact, or truth? What happened to your first party inclusion of "WE" ? Dell

[Qiaozhi]

Dell, i´m confused : .....
after all, how do you know they´re "all lying" if you didn´t build it and how it´s made?...

Fred.
Good point. :thumb:

;) "WHAT DOESN'T WORK, CANNOT BE MADE TO WORK.;)

[J_Player]

Are you saying that Carl, DID indeed pull a speaker coil glued to a potententiometer casing from the epoxied portion of a Dell Systems - Omnitron GS pro, without your knowing it to be a fact, or truth? What happened to your first party inclusion of "WE" ? DellHi Dell,
We includes everyone who saw Carl's photo and read this forum including you.

We are the same people who take the word of scientist who say the earth is round, even though we have not traveled to space to see it first hand, nor has the scientist. This includes you, unless you are a member of the Flat Earth Society.

We are the same people who believe that the sports event we read about in the news paper really happened, even though we were not there, and we know the sports reporter was not there to see most of the events he is reporting the results for. This includes you, unless you are calling the sports reporters liars.

We are the same people who saw Carl's photo and read this forum including you. At least I assume this includes you after reading what you posted:
"I certainly have reason to doubt Carl, finding the item in the Pro-GS". But now I begin to wonder if you are changing your story, when I read your words: "Carl's amazing far fetched, discovery".

I wouldn't want to speculate about your hidden meaning, so tell us Dell,

Are you claiming that Carl did not pull a speaker coil glued to a potentiometer casing from the epoxied portion of a Dell Systems GS Pro or not?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Carl-NC]

"Did you sell any GS-Pro's that contained a speaker voice coil stuck inside a potentiometer casing, that was then encased in epoxy?"

Certainly not that I am aware of, nor do I know of any reason for it.

I think this response pretty much sums it up. Complete denial of everything.

Tim, I hope you're reading along. Perhaps now you see why, when you hang out with the LRL crowd, it reflects on your integrity in a very bad way. You have Jim Thomas stuffing Radio Shack AM radio guts into a box, and selling it for $1595. You have Bob Fitzgerald selling dowsing rods filled with sand, and electronic junk for $19,995. And Dell Winders putting scrap pieces in epoxy, and denying any knowledge of it when he's exposed.

This is all very typical of the LRL industry. Are these the people you want to be associated with?

- Carl

[J_Player]

Welcome to the Skunkland theatre!
Tonight's presentation stars Dell Winders, playing a television weather man in the fictitious city of Skunkland. Put on your seatbelts and prepare for the premier episode of Dell in Skunkland, where you will learn why Dell chose a career in LRL sales instead of television weather man:


News Announcer: ...so that wraps up the world news. And now for the weather with our own weatherman, Dell Winders. So do you think we will have rain tonight, Dell?

Weatherman Dell: That's a bald faced lie!! I never said we would have rain tonight and you know it! It is a total LIE, from you and your unscroupulous newscaster friends. You are all habitual LIARS, spreading your deception to serve a questionable agenda.
I have over 40 years experience watching the weather. Who the h**l are you to come here and spread lies about the weather?
Did it rain last night or the night before? Noooooooo.!! I KNOW BECAUSE I WAS THERE. WERE YOU? For that matter, how come you're still here?

News Announcer: Ummm...Dell, do you think we could get on with tonight's weather so we don't run out of time?

Weatherman Dell: ANOTHER LIE..!! It's hard to argue with with absurd logic. For the record, I did not start the lie about it raining tonight. Roll back the tape and you will see who is guilty of ignorant, stupid, devious rumors about tonight's weather, and tried to blame it on me. If there is any problem of running out of time, then it was your ignorance that caused it.... Or should I say lie? I have been truthful about everything I said, while you continue with your lieing inferences. Do you have any more lies to make up about me tonight, or are you satisfied with your BS for the day?
Dang you... now look what you did... We're out of time... we got to go to commercial. It looks like your devious trick worked! Are you happy now?

Television viewer... Geez... I just wanted to know what the weather forecast is... I think I'll click to a different station...
[Click] ...yes take out your umbrellas tonight folks, it's starting to rain!

Be sure to check back next week for more...
no actually that was terrible there probably won't be anymore...
of the Skunkland Theatre! :barf:

Best wishes,
J_P

[Max]

So... Dell... what about the forecast for next few days... ? :lol:

Will I see you on Fox some day or another ? :rolleyes:

Start a new career now! :D

Kind regards,
Max

[Qiaozhi]

Hi Dell,
We includes everyone who saw Carl's photo and read this forum including you.

We are the same people who take the word of scientist who say the earth is round, even though we have not traveled to space to see it first hand, nor has the scientist. This includes you, unless you are a member of the Flat Earth Society.

We are the same people who believe that the sports event we read about in the news paper really happened, even though we were not there, and we know the sports reporter was not there to see most of the events he is reporting the results for. This includes you, unless you are calling the sports reporters liars.

We are the same people who saw Carl's photo and read this forum including you. At least I assume this includes you after reading what you posted:
"I certainly have reason to doubt Carl, finding the item in the Pro-GS". But now I begin to wonder if you are changing your story, when I read your words: "Carl's amazing far fetched, discovery".

I wouldn't want to speculate about your hidden meaning, so tell us Dell,

Are you claiming that Carl did not pull a speaker coil glued to a potentiometer casing from the epoxied portion of a Dell Systems GS Pro or not?

Best wishes,
J_P
The answer is very simple ... it comes down to trust.
Do you trust Carl, when he says that he found a speaker coil glued into a potentiometer casing inside a Dell Systems GS Pro, or do you trust the word of Dell?
Personally, I know whose side I'm on, and it's not the one who has the same name as a famous computer vendor. :D

;) "WHAT DOESN'T WORK, CANNOT BE MADE TO WORK.;)

[J_Player]

The answer is very simple ... it comes down to trust.
Do you trust Carl, when he says that he found a speaker coil glued into a potentiometer casing inside a Dell Systems GS Pro, or do you trust the word of Dell?Hmmm... That is an interesting point. We see two conflicting points of view, and try to decide where the truth lies.

When it comes to "who do you believe", most people look at things like credentials and a track record, what have they accomplished? what do they produce? What things do they do consistantly well?

I can't say I agree with Carl all the time, but there is no doubt in my mind that he doesn't fabricate stories about what he finds inside a LRL when he takes it apart. I've seen too many of his photos that look exactly like photos that others have taken, and I don't believe he has time or the inclination to start playing fake-report games. One thing I think we all noticed about Carl is he gives us a straight answer, and a knowledgable answer to just about any technical question we could ask, and isn't afraid to say if he doesn't know an answer.

I suppose you could also say Dell doesn't fabricate stories, and possibly he doesn't lie if you consider the logic of "since I wasn't there, I don't know for certain what happened". However, I can't say I feel like I hear many straight answers from him. If I wanted to know a simple answer, I would not expect to get the answer from Dell.

But in order to decide what to believe about the facts, it is not necessary to pick sides. you only need to collect what information you consider helpful to decide what you should believe is correct. Based on everything I have seen and read, I think that if conclusive tests were done, they would show that the speaker coil did come from a Dell Systems GS Pro, as Carl said. I think testing of samples of the epoxy on the coil would prove it is the same epoxy in the GS Pro. But I also think enough research would show that Dell did not put the coil in the epoxy. My guess is it was set in epoxy by whoever built the GS Pro for Dell, and Dell was probably not aware that it was in there.

Now if I am right, it does leave a curious question... Why was it there?

My first thought was that whoever was pouring the epoxy had some junk on the shelf above that fell while the epoxy was wet. Maybe he tried to fish all the junk out, but missed a part. Then I got to thinking... What would an electronics manufacturer be doing with a speaker coil glued into a pot casing anyway? That thing looks like some teen-age hacker's project. Is it possible this coil was intended to go into the epoxy? Perhaps it's purpose was to be a mechanical spacer of some sort, or maybe a gage to tell when you added enough black pigment to make the epoxy opaque? Maybe it is a decoy, so if people dissolve the epoxy, they will think they found a mysterious part that does some treasure locating magic.

Or maybe it is not a decoy... Maybe it is supposed to be some kind of passive inductor to help direct the "signal line". Who knows? We are talking about a Gs Pro that comes with the buzzer that shorts a battery across two L-rods. If that is supposed to do something, then why not a speaker coil in a pot?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Dell Winders]

"Did you sell any GS-Pro's that contained a speaker voice coil stuck inside a potentiometer casing, that was then encased in epoxy?"


Quote:
Originally Posted by Dell Winders http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/showthread.php?p=73911#post73911)
Certainly not that I am aware of, nor do I know of any reason for it.

I think this response pretty much sums it up. Complete denial of everything.

Tim, I hope you're reading along. Perhaps now you see why, when you hang out with the LRL crowd, it reflects on your integrity in a very bad way. You have Jim Thomas stuffing Radio Shack AM radio guts into a box, and selling it for $1595. You have Bob Fitzgerald selling dowsing rods filled with sand, and electronic junk for $19,995. And Dell Winders putting scrap pieces in epoxy, and denying any knowledge of it when he's exposed.

This is all very typical of the LRL industry. Are these the people you want to be associated with?


Carl, I realize your back is to the wall, and your libelous untruths about me, and others, are closing in on you, but you are really grasping for straws trying to associate me with other vendors in the LRL industry.

Trying to cover up yours, Sam's, and Randi's, slander agenda and misdeeds against me with further inferences, innuendo, or gossip mongering will not help your credibility. You are responsible for the libelous content of this website, and accountable for it. Dell

[Dell Winders]

http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif Why Dell Winders is not a television weather man
Welcome to the Skunkland theatre!
Tonight's presentation stars Dell Winders, playing a television weather man in the fictitious city of Skunkland. Put on your seatbelts and prepare for the premier episode of Dell in Skunkland, where you will learn why Dell chose a career in LRL sales instead of television weather man:


News Announcer: ...so that wraps up the world news. And now for the weather with our own weatherman, Dell Winders. So do you think we will have rain tonight, Dell?

Weatherman Dell: That's a bald faced lie!! I never said we would have rain tonight and you know it! It is a total LIE, from you and your unscroupulous newscaster friends. You are all habitual LIARS, spreading your deception to serve a questionable agenda.
I have over 40 years experience watching the weather. Who the h**l are you to come here and spread lies about the weather?
Did it rain last night or the night before? Noooooooo.!! I KNOW BECAUSE I WAS THERE. WERE YOU? For that matter, how come you're still here?

News Announcer: Ummm...Dell, do you think we could get on with tonight's weather so we don't run out of time?

Weatherman Dell: ANOTHER LIE..!! It's hard to argue with with absurd logic. For the record, I did not start the lie about it raining tonight. Roll back the tape and you will see who is guilty of ignorant, stupid, devious rumors about tonight's weather, and tried to blame it on me. If there is any problem of running out of time, then it was your ignorance that caused it.... Or should I say lie? I have been truthful about everything I said, while you continue with your lieing inferences. Do you have any more lies to make up about me tonight, or are you satisfied with your BS for the day?
Dang you... now look what you did... We're out of time... we got to go to commercial. It looks like your devious trick worked! Are you happy now?

Television viewer... Geez... I just wanted to know what the weather forecast is... I think I'll click to a different station...
[Click] ...yes take out your umbrellas tonight folks, it's starting to rain!

Be sure to check back next week for more...
no actually that was terrible there probably won't be anymore...
of the Skunkland Theatre! :barf:

Best wishes,
J_P

Good work, JP.

It is another of the many examples of the mentality of Skeptics, seeking each others peer recognition on this forum.

It's an exercise in futility for me to repeatedly answer the same asinine questions where honesty is mocked and unappreciated. So, I think I will go back to the Treasure forums where I share a common interest with rational, open minded people.

It's been entertaining. :lol: Delll

[Carl-NC]

The answer is very simple ... it comes down to trust.
Do you trust Carl, when he says that he found a speaker coil glued into a potentiometer casing inside a Dell Systems GS Pro, or do you trust the word of Dell?

Actually, it doesn't even come down to trust. With LRLs, I've repeatedly told folks not to take my word for anything: "Look, and see for yourself." When other people have opened up the same LRLs I've opened -- Ranger-Tell, Electroscope, Treasure Scope -- they've all found the same things I've found.

Anyone who would rather not take my word for what I found in a GS Pro is encouraged to find a GS Pro on their own and open it up. Then you won't have to believe, you will know. And knowing is always better than believing.

- Carl

[J_Player]

It's an exercise in futility for me to repeatedly answer the same asinine questions where honesty is mocked and unappreciated.Answer questions? I thought you were repeatedly calling people liars.

In all your so called answers, I don't see anything you said to convince me any of these people told any lies. In fact I don't see much of anything you said that contains any useful information. I think I already learned long ago that you will call anyone a liar and part of a devious agenda who dares to say they think your LRL gizmoes can't be demonstrated to do what they are depicted to do in a double blind test. Repeating it continually doesn't teach me anything new.

But I did learn one new thing from you: If I ever decide I want to call someone a liar, I can simply say they weren't there, so they don't know what they were talking about. This should work fine for proving that snake oil cured a person with aids as well as proving no man ever set foot on the moon, or even proving an LRL found lots of coins in the sand. And it gives me a perfect alibi to call the skeptic a liar. The problem is, I just don't think I can bring myself to use that kind of logic.

If you ever decide to demonstrate your LRLs finding and recovering treasures like they are depicted to do on your web page, be sure to videotape it. I would be very interested to see how well they work.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Fred]

...It is another of the many examples of the mentality of Skeptics, seeking each others peer recognition on this forum.

I like the Skeptics with big "S" :lol:.
I guess there is the Skeptics, and the Sellers.
And an hypotetical race,the Buyers...
Both sharing the same Galaxy ,with their secrets and their questions :lol:...
Fred.

[J_Player]

And an hypotetical race,the Buyers...
Both sharing the same Galaxy ,with their secrets and their questions :lol:..The Buyers are not just hypothetical, they exist. Check here and see: http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/showthread.php?t=14307

I suppose this is the reason Carl kept this forum as a place where people with extrordinary claims should be prepared to be challenged, so people can hear both sides before joining the Buyers race. Maybe if people have a chance to see all sides, we won't be reading so many stories like that.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Clondike Clad]

Carl, I realize your back is to the wall, and your libelous untruths about me, and others, are closing in on you, but you are really grasping for straws trying to associate me with other vendors in the LRL industry.

Trying to cover up yours, Sam's, and Randi's, slander agenda and misdeeds against me with further inferences, innuendo, or gossip mongering will not help your credibility. You are responsible for the libelous content of this website, and accountable for it. Dell

Dell why do you keep it up?
You lie so much that you have to lie to lie.
But if you can sell one bent wire you will lie.
How can you build a LRL and not know simple electronics or is that a lie.
Even my boy knows what a speaker coil looks like.
Dell you do know what a speaker coil looks like do you?
One thing you do do well is to use your snake tounge.

[Qiaozhi]

Dell why do you keep it up?
You lie so much that you have to lie to lie.
Years of practice and self denial. :lol:

;) "WHAT DOESN'T WORK, CANNOT BE MADE TO WORK.;)

[Max]

Years of practice and self denial. :lol:

;) "WHAT DOESN'T WORK, CANNOT BE MADE TO WORK.;)


He could always try with weather predictions... :D

Dell what about tomorrow forecast... use your pendulum stuff... :lol:

[J_Player]

Dell what about tomorrow forecast... use your pendulum stuff... :lol:.

[putrechigi]

If you want to find coins (bronze and silver), try to work with simple lrl rods (without generator). I can find a coin with rods from 30 meters distance. But i can't find Gold:(:angry:, i dont know why. I use simple bronze L rods 50cm long and 5mm diameter, nothing else. But i can't locate big objects (only small) and gold.
If you have a friend to teach you then try it.


Believe me.......


hi at hall i learn a lot of lrl rods and i try to with a small results i have many books of radioestesia and i belive in hit!! but is not siple go to the country and find silver or bronze coin only one person i see to find there and he have 70 hears old but i try every mons geo if you are good i go to greece and you watch me how is possiblre work for to find silver coin with lrl rods
best reguards

[Geo]

hi at hall i learn a lot of lrl rods and i try to with a small results i have many books of radioestesia and i belive in hit!! but is not siple go to the country and find silver or bronze coin only one person i see to find there and he have 70 hears old but i try every mons geo if you are good i go to greece and you watch me how is possiblre work for to find silver coin with lrl rods
best reguards

Hi. No Problem for silver and bronze. If you like gold then sorry i can't. But really... coins of bronze and silver are very easy to located with LRL rods.
I wait you. If you plan to come to Greece then send me a PM and i will give you my phone.
Regards:)

[Geo]

Hi. No Problem for silver and bronze. If you like gold then sorry i can't. But really... coins of bronze and silver are very easy to located with LRL rods.
I wait you. If you plan to come to Greece then send me a PM and i will give you my phone.
Regards:)

I just saw your PM. Thanks for your phone
Regards

[Theseus]

Good work, JP.

It's an exercise in futility for me to repeatedly answer the same asinine questions where honesty is mocked and unappreciated. So, I think I will go back to the Treasure forums where I share a common interest with rational, open minded people.

It's been entertaining. :lol: Delll

Same old duck and run tactic you've used for years. <<<yawn>>>

:razz:

[Carl-NC]

Dell,

Drove by your house last night, sorry I couldn't stop by but it was midnight and I was just too tired. I'll drop in another time.

- Carl

[PanZero]

Dell,

Drove by your house last night, ... . I'll drop in another time.


0wnage. :lol::lol::lol:

[olympios]

Carl, I realize your back is to the wall, and your libelous untruths about me, and others, are closing in on you, but you are really grasping for straws trying to associate me with other vendors in the LRL industry.

Trying to cover up yours, Sam's, and Randi's, slander agenda and misdeeds against me with further inferences, innuendo, or gossip mongering will not help your credibility. You are responsible for the libelous content of this website, and accountable for it. Dell
Back in the Summer of 1996, I bought a unit from Dell Winders. It was a unit with two rods connected to a small box, and a larger box with two probes that you have to stick to the ground. If I remember well, it was called Omnitron system II, or something like that. I was living in Alaska at that time, and I phoned Dell (internet was limited in 1996) and he told me that the operator of the device does not need to have dowsing abilities in order to use it. He also told me that I was welcome to go to Florida for a demonstration, and that he was living in a trailer with an extra room for visitors. I paid something like $600.00 back then, got the device and a few months later I went to Greece where I spent the next five years. I practiced for countless hours in the next few months and I learned NOTHING! The device would not respond. Then my brother was interested in trying but after a few weeks he came out with the same results. Just to make sure that maybe there was something wrong with us, we also had some friends to try using the unit. Nothing. Then I took it to a person that is a successful dowser in our area, and after a few hours of testing he told me that the only thing useful is the rods (for a dowser), the unit is useless as it does... nothing! And the rods were not that good either. He said he had better ones!
So, I took the unit to my father's farm, open the box and cleaned out the useless electronics, and used the box as a nest for pidgeons!!! At least I found a good use for it, lol.

[Morgan]

Back in the Summer of 1996, I bought a unit from Dell Winders. It was a unit with two rods connected to a small box, and a larger box with two probes that you have to stick to the ground. If I remember well, it was called Omnitron system II, or something like that. I was living in Alaska at that time, and I phoned Dell (internet was limited in 1996) and he told me that the operator of the device does not need to have dowsing abilities in order to use it. He also told me that I was welcome to go to Florida for a demonstration, and that he was living in a trailer with an extra room for visitors. I paid something like $600.00 back then, got the device and a few months later I went to Greece where I spent the next five years. I practiced for countless hours in the next few months and I learned NOTHING! The device would not respond. Then my brother was interested in trying but after a few weeks he came out with the same results. Just to make sure that maybe there was something wrong with us, we also had some friends to try using the unit. Nothing. Then I took it to a person that is a successful dowser in our area, and after a few hours of testing he told me that the only thing useful is the rods (for a dowser), the unit is useless as it does... nothing! And the rods were not that good either. He said he had better ones!
So, I took the unit to my father's farm, open the box and cleaned out the useless electronics, and used the box as a nest for pidgeons!!! At least I found a good use for it, lol.
You use the box for a pidgeons nest,and can use the rods as antenna for TV,but anyway 600 $ its a lot of money for this...

[Carl-NC]

So, I took the unit to my father's farm, open the box and cleaned out the useless electronics, and used the box as a nest for pidgeons!!! At least I found a good use for it, lol.

Perhaps the knowledge that Dell was simply selling a device that someone else made, that he had no idea what was actually inside, that he is in no way responsible for anything you found out about the product, and that nothing is ever his fault, makes you feel a little less bitter about the whole episode.

Someone loaned me an Omnitron II a while back. I'm sure I took some photos, will have to dig them out so you can re-live those glorious memories.

- Carl

[mosha]

So, I took the unit to my father's farm, open the box and cleaned out the useless electronics, and used the box as a nest for pidgeons!!! At least I found a good use for it, lol.

your birds should know mental dowsing, otherwise you will not have eggs.

[olympios]

.........
Someone loaned me an Omnitron II a while back. I'm sure I took some photos, will have to dig them out so you can re-live those glorious memories.

- Carl
Lol, thanks Carl. If I remember well, the unit was in a grey soft plastic bag/case that had a tag or label that said "TRAVELER" or "VOYAGER" on it. I remember this because some people asked me if that is the name brand, and I told them "No, that's... me; a tourist."