MINEORO 2008 MODS.

[Esteban]

Ready for to use! This is other history!

[Clondike Clad]

Can this unit pick up new gold rings?
Also can your mods pick up diamonds
If the answer is yes what would you charge for the mods.

[Esteban]

Can this unit pick up new gold rings?
Also can your mods pick up diamonds
If the answer is yes what would you charge for the mods.

Diamonds? No!!!

[amtech2005]

ESTEBAN , LOOKS LIKE IT OPERATES AROUND 400-500 KHZ ?? BELOW THE A.M. RADIO BAND BECAUSE I CAN SEE A FERRITE BAR IN THE UPPER RIGHT CORNER. HOW DOES YOUR MINEORO WORK ? GROUND RESISTANCE DIFFERENCES?? HAVE A GOOD DAY!! ...............EUGENE

[mosha]

Ready for to use! This is other history!

great effort Esteban

can you post schematic of this mods, and what the performance of the device after modification.

regards,

[Esteban]

ESTEBAN , LOOKS LIKE IT OPERATES AROUND 400-500 KHZ ?? BELOW THE A.M. RADIO BAND BECAUSE I CAN SEE A FERRITE BAR IN THE UPPER RIGHT CORNER. HOW DOES YOUR MINEORO WORK ? GROUND RESISTANCE DIFFERENCES?? HAVE A GOOD DAY!! ...............EUGENE

This is a ferrite as transmitter. Square loop is in a kind of "zero" with the transmitter, but this only operates at 16 Khz.

[Esteban]

great effort Esteban

can you post schematic of this mods, and what the performance of the device after modification.

regards,

Now this acts also as MD and is very sensitive.

[amtech2005]

THANKS FOR FAST ANSWER !! 16 KHZ IS MUCH LOWER THAN I THOUGHT . LET US KNOW HOW IT DETECTS GOLD . THANK-YOU..........EUGENE

[Clondike Clad]

Now this acts also as MD and is very sensitive.
Will your mods work on the FG80?
how far will it pick up new gold rings?
Also it looks as if you know more than Mineoro to do this type of mods.
We can learn a lot from you on upgrades.

[Esteban]

Will your mods work on the FG80?
how far will it pick up new gold rings?
Also it looks as if you know more than Mineoro to do this type of mods.
We can learn a lot from you on upgrades.

I don't obtain beeps in the 2008 include with strong field generator, just beeps with generator very near, maybe this 2008 was with failure? In other extreme, I thing FG 80 is very sensitive at small sparks... So, don't know how will reacts at the oscillator field used in the mods.

First, you'll disconnect the three cables of the sensor and disconnect infrared diode and also dismantle this.

[Esteban]

This is the original 2008 before mods:

[Esteban]

Parts of original

[Esteban]

This is a .3gp video file. You can see with any gp3 viewer or convert with converter video software. This show a detection of small coin as common MD.

[Esteban]

Mods parts

[michael]

Hi Esteban, nice appreciable efforts, but important thing is field results. how about field results? in situations which I call wild conditions.
have you done any and found out distinctive ability in comparison to original one in finding OBTs?
Have you focused on random and false beeps in remote areas?
With best regards.:)

[Esteban]

Hi Esteban, nice appreciable efforts, but important thing is field results. how about field results? in situations which I call wild conditions.
have you done any and found out distinctive ability in comparison to original one in finding OBTs?
Have you focused on random and false beeps in remote areas?
With best regards.:)

No yet try in remote areas, yes in patio. If not excess of sensibility, this is very stable, no random.

Regards

Esteban

[hung]

Congratulations on your efforts Esteban, very nice work!
I will contact you soon.

[humhum]

Esteban, Please view (show) at outer side Mineoro 2008

[humhum]

other side

[eclipse]

For a remote sensing device the detection of coin at 15"
in air i don't see anything special, not to say that
this is after modification. I wonder how it was before
that, no detection at all?

[Esteban]

other side

Front or what?

[Esteban]

For a remote sensing device the detection of coin at 15"
in air i don't see anything special, not to say that
this is after modification. I wonder how it was before
that, no detection at all?

Nothing special 15", but antenna and absorptive loop is for more long range, some meters. :)

[Max]

For a remote sensing device the detection of coin at 15"
in air i don't see anything special, not to say that
this is after modification. I wonder how it was before
that, no detection at all?

:D very good.

It's time to light the dang cigar...

Esteban follow my advice: buy or make a serious detector... instead of playing with toys and old radios! :razz:

Kind regards,
Max

[Morgan]

:D very good.

It's time to light the dang cigar...

Esteban follow my advice: buy or make a serious detector... instead of playing with toys and old radios! :razz:

Kind regards,
Max
Yes,light the dang cigar and put some TNT bars inside this DC2008 CRAP:angry:

[Morgan]

Nothing special 15", but antenna and absorptive loop is for more long range, some meters. :)
I try my DC2008 in many places,me and other friends spent many days testing this model and the other MINEORO models...
CONCLUSION :

100% False signals everywere. If i reduce sensitivity on this device to become stable i dont have signals.
DC2006 is more stable device but unfortunetly is good only to find ionized plastics,no metals.
If im wrong,you can teach me HOW TO USE MINEORO.

[Esteban]

:D very good.

It's time to light the dang cigar...

Esteban follow my advice: buy or make a serious detector... instead of playing with toys and old radios! :razz:

Kind regards,
Max

Max,

Don't worry, always I make serious detector and also non-very serious. :lol:

But radio is just a kind of example. And don't know why radio can detect buried old items, but can do it! :)

Regards

Esteban

[Morgan]

Max,

Don't worry, always I make serious detector and also non-very serious. :lol:

But radio is just a kind of example. And don't know why radio can detect buried old items, but can do it! :)

Regards

Esteban
Non-very serious device,for this devices please not ask 3000 EURO,OR IT BECOMES A SERIOUS PROBLEM:|

[Esteban]

Non-very serious device,for this devices please not ask 3000 EURO,OR IT BECOMES A SERIOUS PROBLEM:|

Sorry, nothing to do with me! Is not my case! :D

Regards

Esteban

[Morgan]

Sorry, nothing to do with me! Is not my case! :D

Regards

Esteban
I know that,it as only to do with your buisness partner...;)

[humhum]

ESTEBAN, Yes please view front PCB side .

(Excuse my for bad english).

[Esteban]

I know that,it as only to do with your buisness partner...;)

You're wrong, is my cousin-friend, not business partner! :razz:

Regards

Esteban

[Esteban]

ESTEBAN, Yes please view front PCB side .

(Excuse my for bad english).

No pics I take of PCB front. Sorry.

Regards

Esteban

[roberts]

:lol::lol::lol:
With or without mods, same crap! :D
Non working, money taking crap! :D

Esteban you must be a very rich man playing randomly with such expensive "device"?
Chookam!
:lol:

[Esteban]

:lol::lol::lol:
With or without mods, same crap! :D
Non working, money taking crap! :D

Esteban you must be a very rich man playing randomly with such expensive "device"?
Chookam!
:lol:

Welcome to the noise! :lol:

[Fred]

Robert is back!! Robert is back!! everyone : hide yourself!
welcome back robert.:)
Fred.

[humhum]

ESTEBAN ,though thanks.

[roberts]

Robert is back!! Robert is back!! everyone : hide yourself!
welcome back robert.:)
Fred.

Thanks Fred!
I've back for few days only, no need to hide.
Just wanted to say 'hello' to Esteban :D
Still playing with Mineoro!? Man oh man!:oh:
Good character,persistent,pitty you are wasting it on wrong things :(

[Esteban]

Thanks Fred!
I've back for few days only, no need to hide.
Just wanted to say 'hello' to Esteban :D
Still playing with Mineoro!? Man oh man!:oh:
Good character,persistent,pitty you are wasting it on wrong things :(

Hello! :D

Just this Mineoro was extremely failed, no random, just beeps in threshold, but never random! Well, with some new PCBs attached (wich replaced others), is more sensitive, and not random! :rolleyes:

Regards

Esteban

[Morgan]

Hello! :D

Just this Mineoro was extremely failed, no random, just beeps in threshold, but never random! Well, with some new PCBs attached (wich replaced others), is more sensitive, and not random! :rolleyes:

Regards

Esteban
Hi Esteban

I think you should spend more time with real working LRL devices,lets say THE PISTOLDETECTOR.
I get more practice and make modiifications with PD device and get good results.But people here still not believe it works so i decide to invite some of them to field tests,but they should bring PD to try performance against my PD,its some kind of challenge :yo:

[Esteban]

Hi Esteban

I think you should spend more time with real working LRL devices,lets say THE PISTOLDETECTOR.
I get more practice and make modiifications with PD device and get good results.But people here still not believe it works so i decide to invite some of them to field tests,but they should bring PD to try performance against my PD,its some kind of challenge :yo:

Morgan

I know that PD based on coils like you build works fine. Look these

5-12-2006:

http://www.thunting.com/geotech/forums/showthread.php?t=11642&highlight=pistol

8-15-2007:

http://www.thunting.com/geotech/forums/showthread.php?t=13204&highlight=pistol

And etc., etc. :)

[Morgan]

[quote=Esteban;74977]Morgan

I know that PD based on coils like you build works fine. Look these

5-12-2006:

http://www.thunting.com/geotech/forums/showthread.php?t=11642&highlight=pistol

8-15-2007:

http://www.thunting.com/geotech/forums/showthread.php?t=13204&highlight=pistol

And etc., etc. :)[/quot
This photos are old BFO pistoldetector tipe.
You think its possible to adapt PCB5 and buzzer to BFO metal detector and make LRL PD ?:shocked:

[hung]

You think its possible to adapt PCB5 and buzzer to BFO metal detector and make LRL PD ?:shocked:

Well I'm not Esteban, but I'm working on several enhancements to 'turbo' this PD for long range. My only problem now is time... Have my own system to take care.
Anyway, be patient and you will see what this PD will be like.;)

[Esteban]

[quote=Esteban;74977]Morgan

I know that PD based on coils like you build works fine. Look these

5-12-2006:

http://www.thunting.com/geotech/forums/showthread.php?t=11642&highlight=pistol

8-15-2007:

http://www.thunting.com/geotech/forums/showthread.php?t=13204&highlight=pistol

And etc., etc. :)[/quot
This photos are old BFO pistoldetector tipe.
You think its possible to adapt PCB5 and buzzer to BFO metal detector and make LRL PD ?:shocked:

Not all are BFO. The blue/green pistol is induction/balance, not BFO.

You can make a BFO and replace the IB coils and PCB by BFO and connect BFO audio out to buzzer PCB.

[Esteban]

Well I'm not Esteban, but I'm working on several enhancements to 'turbo' this PD for long range. My only problem now is time... Have my own system to take care.
Anyway, be patient and you will see what this PD will be like.;)

Will be patient and wait... :)

[Morgan]

[quote=Morgan;75135]

Not all are BFO. The blue/green pistol is induction/balance, not BFO.

You can make a BFO and replace the IB coils and PCB by BFO and connect BFO audio out to buzzer PCB.
I already made some time ago one BFO detector.
Can you explain where to make PCB5 conections to BFO PCB,or if needs ferrite?...:nerd:

Regards

[Fred]

[quote=Esteban;75139Not all are BFO. The blue/green pistol is induction/balance, not BFO.
You can make a BFO and replace the IB coils and PCB by BFO and connect BFO audio out to buzzer PCB.[/quote]
From what i could unerstand about those LRL, the detecting coil shape/configuration is not important,could even be a conductive plate, results would be the same.
Fred.

[Esteban]

From what i could unerstand about those LRL, the detecting coil shape/configuration is not important,could even be a conductive plate, results would be the same.
Fred.

A plate or antenna is not very precisse, but the IB type, for example, is more precisse.

Regards

Esteban

[hung]

From what i could unerstand about those LRL, the detecting coil shape/configuration is not important,could even be a conductive plate, results would be the same.
Fred.

You are 100% correct about the shape/config. It's not important. But a front coil/antenna is needed. Not a conductive plate.

[Esteban]

[quote=Esteban;75139]
I already made some time ago one BFO detector.
Can you explain where to make PCB5 conections to BFO PCB,or if needs ferrite?...:nerd:

Regards

Use normally the ferrite part. See the connection here. I use Qiaozhi's schematic design :)

As you know, just I post this part.

Regards

Esteban

[Morgan]

Thanks a lot for this schematic:)

I will try this,just for curiosity...

[Fred]

A plate or antenna is not very precisse, but the IB type, for example, is more precisse.
Esteban
You are 100% correct about the shape/config. It's not important. But a front coil/antenna is needed. Not a conductive plate.
Ok,
Resuming,The coil is needed for the magnetic vector, but it is also used (as a plate) for the electric field detection.
Morgan´s PD was somewhat sucesfull (??) because the right ballance, or cancellation has been found between those 2 vectors.
The problem is that this kind of detection only works (??) under right atmospheric conditions,and even so aparently not very well, as all involved are, after years, still trying to improve it.
regards,
Fred.

[Morgan]

Ok,
Resuming,The coil is needed for the magnetic vector, but it is also used (as a plate) for the electric field detection.
Morgan´s PD was somewhat sucesfull (??) because the right ballance, or cancellation has been found between those 2 vectors.
The problem is that this kind of detection only works (??) under right atmospheric conditions,and even so aparently not very well, as all involved are, after years, still trying to improve it.
regards,
Fred.
Thats true,unfortunetly the weather conditions are importante,rainy days or ground very wett are not good,but maybe one day this problem can be solved...

[Morgan]

Ok,
Resuming,The coil is needed for the magnetic vector, but it is also used (as a plate) for the electric field detection.
Morgan´s PD was somewhat sucesfull (??) because the right ballance, or cancellation has been found between those 2 vectors.
The problem is that this kind of detection only works (??) under right atmospheric conditions,and even so aparently not very well, as all involved are, after years, still trying to improve it.
regards,
Fred.
Fresh batteries are allways important in this device,or biger size batteries.
If the OMEGA coil is biger than 20 cm diameter,it hapens like the Mineoro DC2008,become very erratic and randomic device,anyway more stable in beach than in mineralized ground,so the biger the coil,more afected by mineralization. More wett the ground,more active the mineralization interference. To avoid such ground conditions because no Faraday shield on coils,Alonso create some mini coil LRL devices who can find coin 1m distance but very stable.

[hung]

If the OMEGA coil is biger than 20 cm diameter,it hapens like the Mineoro DC2008,become very erratic and randomic device,anyway more stable in beach than in mineralized ground,so the biger the coil,more afected by mineralization.

Sorry but you have many wrong presumptions.

First of all, Fred is absolutely correct. For this type of detectors such as PD and the Mineoros, weather DOES make a huge difference. This is exepcted naturally. There's no 'midia' for electrostatics to manifestin humidity. So, no electrostatic or ionic fields. In this scenario, the detection reduces and quits. On the other hand, hot and dry weather, electrostatics manifest at best.

Second, the size of loop antenna has nothing to do with instability erratic signals. As long as the right ratio and resonance is achieved among the coils. On the contrary, range will increase. When you report randomic signals happening to your device is because the coils are clearly out of specs.

I don't have the time I wished to dedicate to the PD mainly because I have abandoned the aproach of detecting 'fields' emanating from targets due to the drawbacks I explained above. My LRL aproach detects the target itself and not the fields it produces. No mistakes, no weather dependent, nothing to interfere.
For the aproach the PD was planned, I think I already have a good performance with it. But I still think I can enhance it even more changing some circuits to double its range keeping the stability. But this aproaoch will have a limit.
For this I may have the help of a person here who has made his doctorate in electrostatics and has many inventions on this subject. He is a laureate.

By the way I got the info from a technician at Mineoro that the new detector is working really fine. It's detecting everyday, even in high humidity,with perfect pinpointing the gold plate they buried at 2 feet for only 1 month. Since the loop antenna is the standard size as the PDC, it seems they have evolved in the coil configuration.

[hung]

There's no 'midia' for electrostatics to manifestin humidity.

Sorry, my bad. I should have said, there's no 'midia' for electrostatics to manifest in humid air, since this is the mean which transports the electrons.

In sea for instance, with salt water, the ionic activity is higher in a sunny day. This 'transporting' happens better.
Damasio told me that he found that over the sea, the detection ranges augments about 4 times.

[Esteban]

Ok,
Resuming,The coil is needed for the magnetic vector, but it is also used (as a plate) for the electric field detection.
Morgan´s PD was somewhat sucesfull (??) because the right ballance, or cancellation has been found between those 2 vectors.
The problem is that this kind of detection only works (??) under right atmospheric conditions,and even so aparently not very well, as all involved are, after years, still trying to improve it.
regards,
Fred.


I use spiral as plate, but tune, and this work for few meters. I use nude, not closed, and sunny days are very better. Other strange aspect is this: if you're near the target, isn't detectable, but if you go more far is detectable, and more: there is a critic point in wich is very good detectable continuous, this is a distance in wich "resonate". In general I use .1 uf accross the spiral.

[Fred]

In general I use .1 uf accross the spiral.
Hi esteban,
Nice coil!
The fact that you need a capacitor is strange, i could mean you are detecting a viariating signal, not DC one.
regards,
Fred.

[roberts]

Esteban you are more crazy than my compatriot Nikola Tesla!!! Only he was real genius and you? Not proven yet!
What the hell is that coil for!?
How many millions of turns!?
What is resistance? 4.34 terraoms?
And inductance? 2.67 terraH ?
For what, the hell, that coil is good?
"Energy sucker" maybe? Serouslly doubt, such huge resistances and inductances are presenting huge waste in all possible cases.
I guess you saw somewhere on internet some Tesla's lunatic experiment and now playing at home like small child, inovating new charlatanic science!?
You will catch NOTHING with that coil! Trust me!
You need HV generator to plug in it to make it at least usefull for something.
Ha,ha,ha!

I can only respect such enormous effort and pain to wound such gigantic coil, even it was totally mismatched from a start.
You are worth of any admiration Esteban. Bravo!

[roberts]

"Should exist injustice and untruths towards working LRLs, I'll show up to debunker the big mouths"

Am i gonna live long enough to see that? Please hurry up Hung, cose i dont feel very well, might die in next century! :lol:

Damasio told me that...this....here...there... AGAIN!?
Seems Damasio is great story teller. As long as there are kids to listen...:lol:

[Esteban]

Esteban you are more crazy than my compatriot Nikola Tesla!!! Only he was real genius and you? Not proven yet!
What the hell is that coil for!?
How many millions of turns!?
What is resistance? 4.34 terraoms?
And inductance? 2.67 terraH ?
For what, the hell, that coil is good?
"Energy sucker" maybe? Serouslly doubt, such huge resistances and inductances are presenting huge waste in all possible cases.
I guess you saw somewhere on internet some Tesla's lunatic experiment and now playing at home like small child, inovating new charlatanic science!?
You will catch NOTHING with that coil! Trust me!
You need HV generator to plug in it to make it at least usefull for something.
Ha,ha,ha!

I can only respect such enormous effort and pain to wound such gigantic coil, even it was totally mismatched from a start.
You are worth of any admiration Esteban. Bravo!


Tesla was (is) a great scientific, just I'm a simple experimenter! Yes, Tesla has patented spiral coil...

Yes, you're right! I must be crazy for to wind and past turn by turn! Not big coil, maybe 18 cm diam. Previous (some years ago) I made like this but with more gross wire with regular results.

No, I don't see in internet, but I think can be better than "normal" coil, who knows! :lol:

Roberts, this catch the "phenomenon", believe me!:)

Regards

Esteban

[roberts]

Only 18cm!? On photo looks much larger!
Ok, than i retreive some of my words. I was fooled with photo.
Still it presents huge inductance and resistance. Many parasitic effects will appear on it.

[Max]

Seems to me he wound that coil on top of a CD/DVD holder case bottom piece... the white thing that exit from center let me think so... or maybe it's just another Alonso's invetion there... ;)

Kind regards,
Max

[Esteban]

Seems to me he wound that coil on top of a CD/DVD holder case bottom piece... the white thing that exit from center let me think so... or maybe it's just another Alonso's invetion there... ;)

Kind regards,
Max

Roberts and Max, no a CD/DVD holder case. The round base form is wood.

The white thing is used in furnitures, and here is for to give a round form to all the coil. Not Alonso's invention, and I think isn't an invention!

The form is 15 cm diameter, the center plastic is 0.8 cm and total coil (include the plastic form) is 14.5. So real coil rest 0.8 is 13.7.

Quantity of turns is 159. Wire is 0.35 mm. Here the values. I make anotations in the base form!

Regards

Esteban

[Esteban]

Hi esteban,
Nice coil!
The fact that you need a capacitor is strange, i could mean you are detecting a viariating signal, not DC one.
regards,
Fred.
The tune capacitor is for to mantain the coil in resonace point, not free. The 10 nF capacitor is used for to leave input in high resistence. When you move pistol you convert DC signal in AC. In any case the "phenomenon" causes by metal buried for long time "emits" a train of signal, because also stay quiet the pistol (not in movement) signal pases through blocking capacitor. Don't know why! :shrug:

[roberts]

:angry:
Esteban you camera is bad or i am blind? Colour of coil holder is almost the same with colour of wire. So i had impresson it was fat,heavy weight coil with several tousands of windings. Also look like large coil. That's why i made such comments in previous post.:angry:

Very difficult for me now, but i must say that i am sorry because made fun of your work!:angry: Hrrrmpfhh!

[Esteban]

:angry:
Esteban you camera is bad or i am blind? Colour of coil holder is almost the same with colour of wire. So i had impresson it was fat,heavy weight coil with several tousands of windings. Also look like large coil. That's why i made such comments in previous post.:angry:

Very difficult for me now, but i must say that i am sorry because made fun of your work!:angry: Hrrrmpfhh!

You can see than can't be thousands turns watching extremes of wire, this is gross in 0.35 mm. The coil holder is for the barnish and type of wood. Don't worry! The inductance, ohms, # of turns is as been posted!

More quality pic you can see here. No posted direct as jpg by limitations in forum, but in zip yes.

Regards

Esteban

[Esteban]

Other coils for experiment. The rugose part you must to sand before winding! To untie the thread maybe can be more difficult than winding the coil! :lol:

[detectoman]

and all handmade mjmj
esteban have most patiente what detectoman
robert can you make these? mjmj

[detectoman]

to these esteban, i named acelerator-compresor, ca/non of electrical wave, nikola tesla not build these minucious how esteban, may be tictac yes

[Esteban]

and all handmade mjmj
esteban have most patiente what detectoman
robert can you make these? mjmj

Detectoman, everybody can make this in few hours. :)

Regards

Esteban

[fmnotes]

Esteban HELLO.:)

CONGRATULATING FOR YOUR MANUFACTURES,
THE TRIALS, AND YOUR ART IN THE DETECTORS OF DISTANCE.
I WILL REQUEST YOU,
IF YOU CAN PROPOSE TO ME, GOOD SCHEMATIC, SO THAT I MANUFACTURE DETECTOR OF DISTANCE.
I KNOW VERY WELL,
THAT YOU HAVE BIG KNOWLEDGE IN THE DETECTORS OF DISTANCE.
IT HELPED WITH YOU I REQUEST.

I PAID A LOT OF MONEY AND BOUGHT THE FG80 THE MINEORO.
NO RESULTS.
I DO NOT WANT TO BUY ONE STILL DETECTOR OF DISTANCE, THAT DOES NOT WORK.

I REQUEST YOU A LOT,
IT ANSWERED MY, AND I HOPE YOU SEND TO ME SOME GOOD DRAWING.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I WAIT FOR YOUR ANSWER.
email. fmnotes@yahoo.gr

[Morgan]

to these esteban, i named acelerator-compresor, ca/non of electrical wave, nikola tesla not build these minucious how esteban, may be tictac yes

Hello

I get bone MINEORO DC2008 out of warantie,for repair.
I open the factory seal,and take some photos from the inner,the front circuit i cant see becouse is glued with the IONIC CHAMBER.
Anyway here the photos,i have more with more resolution if someone is interested to see.

BTW : I found the problem,is working now.

Regards


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[Geo]

Can you post more photos???
:)

[Morgan]

Can you post more photos???
:)

there is two adjustable trimmers ,one in the oscillator,the other in the receiver


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[Morgan]

Can you post more photos???
:)

other photo

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[Geo]

Why the black wire is cut???

[Morgan]

Why the black wire is cut???

yes,in R26 there is one cuted wire,no ideia...but it came like this from the factory.

[Morgan]

yes,in R26 there is one cuted wire,no ideia...but it came like this from the factory.

here i present on5e photo from other DC2008 open by Esteban for modifications :


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[Geo]

With this mod Esteban made this DC2008 same with your PDK. Maybe he stimulate a little the coil

[humhum]

Hi Morgan and Geo , I make (different) test in my garden with my Clone Mineoro and Original DC2008,
my device found buried object very easy, but DC2008 can't found this buried object.
Also I see that DC2008 can found gold only into Sand in the Sea.


Regads.;)

[Morgan]

Hi Morgan and Geo , I make (different) test in my garden with my Clone Mineoro and Original DC2008,
my device found buried object very easy, but DC2008 can't found this buried object.
Also I see that DC2008 can found gold only into Sand in the Sea.


Regads.;)

well,i never be able to locate targets in the sea with my DC2008...same with PDC 210,FG80 and DC2006.

In one particular time i was very near 17 tons of gold and silver in cap.Sta Maria and the MINEORO stay very quiet.

[Morgan]

well,i never be able to locate targets in the sea with my DC2008...same with PDC 210,FG80 and DC2006.

In one particular time i was very near 17 tons of gold and silver in cap.Sta Maria and the MINEORO stay very quiet.

yes,it was there...a little later the odissey take the treasure



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[Geo]

well,i never be able to locate targets in the sea with my DC2008...same with PDC 210,FG80 and DC2006.

In one particular time i was very near 17 tons of gold and silver in cap.Sta Maria and the MINEORO stay very quiet.

Does the gold was inside the sea???

[Geo]

Hi Morgan and Geo , I make (different) test in my garden with my Clone Mineoro and Original DC2008,
my device found buried object very easy, but DC2008 can't found this buried object.
Also I see that DC2008 can found gold only into Sand in the Sea.


Regads.;)

What kind was the buried object and at who distance you locate it??

[humhum]

What kind was the buried object and at who distance you locate it??

Copper,silver and dish bronze, distance is 100 meter. I not test from long distance it can be locate and from long distance. Because locate other very big treasure from 5 km (5000m).
Yes it is correct.


Regards.;)

[Morgan]

Does the gold was inside the sea???

Of couse,it was the spanish galeon Nuestra Senora the las mercedes,the shipwreck.
You can have a look in the youtube,no matter they said take the treasure from spanish waters is lies,the galeon was in front a few miles from the Faro beach,at a reasonable depth,and the odissey with good equipment clean very easy the galeon...

[aft_72005]

Copper,silver and dish bronze, distance is 100 meter. I not test from long distance it can be locate and from long distance. Because locate other very big treasure from 5 km (5000m).
Yes it is correct.


Regards.;)


If you said from 5 or 50 meter was believable.
But From 5000 meter !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!..................

[Morgan]

Copper,silver and dish bronze, distance is 100 meter. I not test from long distance it can be locate and from long distance. Because locate other very big treasure from 5 km (5000m).
Yes it is correct.


Regards.;)

In 5000m you intercept so many gold and silver objects that is impossible to locate one of them,it will be beeping all directions,i think this distances are impossible...


In PDK,the method is using the VHF transmiters (170-300MHz) this electromagnetic wave reflect in the long time ago buried gold and the PDK Receive the signal if is well calibrated.And distances are in meters,never in 100´s or 1000´s.
Of course many of you can laugh but it works like this,TX and RX...

[Morgan]

In 5000m you intercept so many gold and silver objects that is impossible to locate one of them,it will be beeping all directions,i think this distances are impossible...


In PDK,the method is using the VHF transmiters (170-300MHz) this electromagnetic wave reflect in the long time ago buried gold and the PDK Receive the signal if is well calibrated.And distances are in meters,never in 100´s or 1000´s.
Of course many of you can laugh but it works like this,TX and RX...

I have tried many other RX coils ,capacitors and calibrations in the way to locate gold using other source TRANSMITERS,the FM,or the new DIGITAL TV signal under UHF,but until now no luck,seems the VHF was the frequency who react with underground metals.

[Qiaozhi]

In 5000m you intercept so many gold and silver objects that is impossible to locate one of them,it will be beeping all directions,i think this distances are impossible...


In PDK,the method is using the VHF transmiters (170-300MHz) this electromagnetic wave reflect in the long time ago buried gold and the PDK Receive the signal if is well calibrated.And distances are in meters,never in 100´s or 1000´s.
Of course many of you can laugh but it works like this,TX and RX...
Do you have that article from Science and Invention?
What year was it published?

[fmnotes]

In 5000m you intercept so many gold and silver objects that is impossible to locate one of them,it will be beeping all directions,i think this distances are impossible...


In PDK,the method is using the VHF transmiters (170-300MHz) this electromagnetic wave reflect in the long time ago buried gold and the PDK Receive the signal if is well calibrated.And distances are in meters,never in 100´s or 1000´s.
Of course many of you can laugh but it works like this,TX and RX...

Hello
can someone upload this magazine SCIENCE AND INVENTION in pdf file?

is too old and can not easily find it.

Thank

[nelson]

Morgan has i told you before, VHF can reflet waves on hills, metals, trees, etc. This has experimented many times by me and my hamradio friends, so no doubs with this.
UHF will not reflect on natural objects and will past thru walls, metals, windows and so on.
In your case i think that power of the transmitter is very important, especially if you are away from the transmitter, like the analog tv broadcast you mention to me. Also don´t forget that TV transmittions are wide, not like a two way transmitter that has a narrow bandwith.
The part of spectrum that best reflected in many experiment i have done in the past were btw 140 to 165 mhz.

Regards

Nelson


I have tried many other RX coils ,capacitors and calibrations in the way to locate gold using other source TRANSMITERS,the FM,or the new DIGITAL TV signal under UHF,but until now no luck,seems the VHF was the frequency who react with underground metals.

[Morgan]

Do you have that article from Science and Invention?
What year was it published?

This article is very old,from the time of radio with valves maybe,it was Esteban who put the picture here.
Is some interesting way to locate buried objects...this ivention before the BFO ?
One Transmit,the underground metal reflect the frequency and one Receiver catch the signal.

[Morgan]

Morgan has i told you before, VHF can reflet waves on hills, metals, trees, etc. This has experimented many times by me and my hamradio friends, so no doubs with this.
UHF will not reflect on natural objects and will past thru walls, metals, windows and so on.
In your case i think that power of the transmitter is very important, especially if you are away from the transmitter, like the analog tv broadcast you mention to me. Also don´t forget that TV transmittions are wide, not like a two way transmitter that has a narrow bandwith.
The part of spectrum that best reflected in many experiment i have done in the past were btw 140 to 165 mhz.

Regards

Nelson

Thanks

The VHF we have here before the DIGITAL UHF, was the RTP-1 was transmiting in 175.25 MHz...

Ok,so now i will concentrate only in the FM radio frequencies,lets see what is possible to make. Or the frequencies lower than 30MHz cant reflect on metals too?

Well,the PDK is a real LRL,with the need of cientific proof and confirmation...

[Morgan]

Do you have that article from Science and Invention?
What year was it published?

Hi

Is it possible to build one simple 175MHz TRANSMITER,in the way to carry it for the place we are searching with PDK ? maybe you know some schematic ?


Regards

[Qiaozhi]

This article is very old,from the time of radio with valves maybe,it was Esteban who put the picture here.
Is some interesting way to locate buried objects...this ivention before the BFO ?
One Transmit,the underground metal reflect the frequency and one Receiver catch the signal.
OK - no problem.
I just like to read these old electrical / electronic magazines from a historical point of view. It's interesting to see how things have changed over the last century.

[WM6]

UHF will not reflect on natural objects and will past thru walls, metals, windows and so on.



Probably you mean VLF. Namely UHF reflect very well.

[fmnotes]

hi this is what transistor?
look photohttp://img135.imageshack.us/img135/5996/hfhf127.jpg

[humhum]

hi this is what transistor?
look photo

May be , UJT

[humhum]

In 5000m you intercept so many gold and silver objects that is impossible to locate one of them,it will be beeping all directions,i think this distances are impossible...


In PDK,the method is using the VHF transmiters (170-300MHz) this electromagnetic wave reflect in the long time ago buried gold and the PDK Receive the signal if is well calibrated.And distances are in meters,never in 100´s or 1000´s.
Of course many of you can laugh but it works like this,TX and RX...


:nono: Hi Morgan, You know very well, that I not use Transmitter. (in my clone like Mineoro).
For distance I write that 5km ,but it is around (my think) 8 Km. (Only for big treasure).


Regards.

[fmnotes]

please who knows the transistor ( Q4 ) to tell me the code.
has been burned by my own and I can not work.
UNFORTUNATELY not write code.

THANKS

[Geo]

please who knows the transistor ( Q4 ) to tell me the code.
has been burned by my own and I can not work.
UNFORTUNATELY not write code.

THANKS

2N2646...:)

[fmnotes]

Ευχαριστώ GEO .
Και εγώ αυτό χρησιμοποίησα.

[Dave J.]

For those who don't know Greek, that first word was a thank you.

Regarding the rest, sorry, can't help y'all, I ain't got that particular charism.

--Dave J.

[Geo]

For those who don't know Greek, that first word was a thank you.

Regarding the rest, sorry, can't help y'all, I ain't got that particular charism.

--Dave J.

He says "Ευχαριστώ GEO ...Thanks Geo.
"Και εγώ αυτό χρησιμοποίησα. I used this".

[Dave J.]

I used this gift my very self?

(testing my powers of guesswork)

[Indo-European languages both, no cheating by using dictionaries or online translators. We shall now go beyond Indo-European.]

Aleph is the ox, turn it upside down to its original form and see the horns.

Beth is the house, turn its modern form on its side and see its origin in the form of the roof.

Gimel, there in the form of the Greek capital letter you see the camel after 4,000 years.

Gamla in Aramaic is both "camel" and "rope". That's how the essay of the ancient notorious Nazorean on how to invest excess wealth got misinterpreted as a nonsense joke about squeezing a camel through the eye of a needle.

In Spanish, inability to read is "analfabetismo". The truth of the matter is embedded in millenia of the evolution of civilization: if you can't read, you likely have been cheated out of ox, house, and implicitly even camel.

If you "can't read the advertisement", USA politicians are dialing your number for the upcoming election, and LRL manufacturers are dialing your credit card number if you give it to them.

--Dave J.

[gaucho1961]

https://www.americanradiohistory.com/Archive-Electrical-Experimenter/SI-1926-03.pdf

[WM6]

https://www.americanradiohistory.com/Archive-Electrical-Experimenter/SI-1926-03.pdf


Good reading in whole, specially at page 992. Thanks.

[Sneshko]

https://www.americanradiohistory.com/Archive-Electrical-Experimenter/SI-1926-03.pdf

Dear gaucho1961!
Very, very good job!!!
Bravo!!!
Thank you very much! :) :) :)
Regards!
Sneshko

[Geo]

Hi.
I start to construct a modified clone of Fg80- FG90.
Clone will have more power (sensitivity) than original one.
Because i am sure that ion chamber don't makes nothing i will put a simple electric field detector at place of ion chamber.
Now i give you a photo of box withsome pcbs and later will give more photos.

Regards

[Geo]

At this photo you see the original FG80-FG90 pcb and my modified pcb.

[WM6]

Good work, Geo.


Wish you full success.

[abdou2014]

WAW PERFECT :)

[Geo]

Thank you.
Soon will post more photos:)

[zakari]

HI ALL
HI GEORGE
EXCELLENT JOB .THANKS ALOT FOR YOUR EFFORTS


BEST REGARD
ZAKARI

[Pahom]

Thank you.
Soon will post more photos:)
Geo good job, health to you and success.

[Geo]

The antenna loop:)

[iam_7up_gamer]

is perfectly geo :thumb:

but with aluminlum antenna you have more lowest disturbance

[Geo]

There is n't any problem. Antenna wire is 4mm^2 so resistance is very low.
From the other side this project is a clone very close to orininal FG-80 with some modifications for better sensitivity. Also in place of ion chamber i use a sensor for catching the electric field.
Another one trick that will has this project is a modulated UV radiation as the FG90.
I must note that DC2008 (i don't know what is happening with DC2006) FG80 and FG90 have exactly the same receiver with only difference the working frequency. Also FG90 has a small and simple type of magnetometer that don't doing nothing.

[zakari]

HI GEO


I AM THINKING THE RECEIVER IS VERY WEAK ONLY THREE TRANSISTOR !!!



MAY BE THIS IS BETTER TO CHANGE RECEIVER STAGE



BEST REGARDS
ZAKARI

[Geo]

No, it is very very sensitive. There is also one yet op. ampl and the total gain is near to 10.000
I work this receiver many years with good results when there is phenomenon.

[iam_7up_gamer]

geo second circuit is electro static or ac electric detector ? this two has difference

please give more info about second circuit

[zakari]

PERHAPS GEO DECIDE TO COMBINE DC2008 AND DCH85...WITH MODIFICATIONS :nerd::???:

[Geo]

geo second circuit is electro static or ac electric detector ? this two has difference

please give more info about second circuit

Which circuit do you mean??

[iam_7up_gamer]

you have 2 circuit .

no 1. passive receiver

no 2. static detector

please give more info about nomber 2 (static detector)

[Geo]

There is not passive receiver.
1st transistor works as oscillator so 1st diode demodulate the carrier signal from oscillator.
Lm386 has a gain of 200 and amplify the modulated signal.
This is the theory of Mineoro. I keep the original schematic of Mineoro FG... and i do some modifications to increase the gain.
What other you want to learn???

[iam_7up_gamer]

geo can you put here just oscillator schematic ?

[Geo]

Here there is the schematic of the receiver.
The 1st Transistor works as oscillator

http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showpost.php?p=143650&postcount=17

[iam_7up_gamer]

yes is a kind Colpitts oscillator

[iam_7up_gamer]

geo about you use static detector . there work as static detector or electric detector ?

how much is sensitivity ?

[zakari]

HI ALL
GEO THANKS ALOT FOR YOUR EXPLANATION BEFORE I WAS THINKING THE Q1 IS THE MIXING TRANSISTOR(CARRIER WAVE FROM CHAMBER ION OSCILLATOR AND MODULATE WAVE) AND CHAMBER ION AND ITS OSCILLATOR ACT LIKE THE TRANSMITTER AND PART OF THIS WAVE GOING TO THE RECEIVER LIKE THE PD AND PDK
I SAW YOU CHANGE THE VALUE OF CAPACITORS AND RESISTORS OF ORIGINAL RECEIVER OF
FG79 DO YOU CHANGE THE SCHEMATIC ?
DO YOU CHANGE FREQUENCY TUNING OF POT CORE OR NOT THAT IS ALMOST 35-40KHZ?


BEST REGARDS
ZAKARI

[Geo]

geo about you use static detector . there work as static detector or electric detector ?

how much is sensitivity ?

You don't explain me. Witch if works asstatic detector or.....

[Geo]

HI ALL
GEO THANKS ALOT FOR YOUR EXPLANATION BEFORE I WAS THINKING THE Q1 IS THE MIXING TRANSISTOR(CARRIER WAVE FROM CHAMBER ION OSCILLATOR AND MODULATE WAVE) AND CHAMBER ION AND ITS OSCILLATOR ACT LIKE THE TRANSMITTER AND PART OF THIS WAVE GOING TO THE RECEIVER LIKE THE PD AND PDK
I SAW YOU CHANGE THE VALUE OF CAPACITORS AND RESISTORS OF ORIGINAL RECEIVER OF
FG79 DO YOU CHANGE THE SCHEMATIC ?
DO YOU CHANGE FREQUENCY TUNING OF POT CORE OR NOT THAT IS ALMOST 35-40KHZ?


BEST REGARDS
ZAKARI

Hi.
Please don't write with capital letters, is very tiring.
This schematic has nothing to do with FG79. It is for FG80, FG90 and DC2008.
Frequency depends of the model. Fg90 is near to 34Khz, FG80 80...85 and DC2008 near to 100....105Khz. This time i don't remember exactly

[Mike(Mont)]

Probably bad timing but my two bitcoins here (not worth much LOL) I like the idea of a higher power transmitter and a lower power receiver. Assuming the transmitter actually does something, that is the active part of the system. Furthermore, some soil (higher conductivity) needs more power to transmit through--to burn off trapped voltages (spontaneous potential).

[Geo]

I believe it could be done at a different system.
Here transmitter and receiver have the first stage common, so the more high power at oscillator the lower sensitivity at receiver. All the story is to find the balance point for better results(at normal terrain).

:)

[iam_7up_gamer]

thanks geo for put schematic of dc 2008 . but is not complete , my mean is part list !!

can you share part list ?

[Geo]

Sorry but i can't post part list.
I received many mails that ask me to share the part list.
Because i don't like to answer to all the same, i write it here.
No part list.
I attached the schematic of receiver so the members that understands electronics to see what is happening.
I believe that every one can experiment on this schematic by calculated the components....

Regards:)

[iam_7up_gamer]

yes geo you say right part list can calculation . just take time :)

you'r static detector is sensitivity to especial metal ??

[Geo]

My detector is not static....

[Mike(Mont)]

I believe it could be done at a different system.
Here transmitter and receiver have the first stage common, so the more high power at oscillator the lower sensitivity at receiver. All the story is to find the balance point for better results(at normal terrain).

:)

Yes, I realize my system is different and it's very easy to change the power levels. Don't know what type of soil you have, I think I read somewhere the soil in Greece is difficult. We have the bentonite clay around here. Clay can hold water and make for areas of high conductivity. The voltage can get trapped in the the soil.

https://gpg.geosci.xyz/content/physical_properties/induced_polarization_physical_properties_duplicate .html

[iam_7up_gamer]

My detector is not static....

if is not static so is electric , is right geo ??

micro voltmeter or mili voltmeter ???

[Geo]

Yes, I realize my system is different and it's very easy to change the power levels. Don't know what type of soil you have, I think I read somewhere the soil in Greece is difficult. We have the bentonite clay around here. Clay can hold water and make for areas of high conductivity. The voltage can get trapped in the the soil.

https://gpg.geosci.xyz/content/physical_properties/induced_polarization_physical_properties_duplicate .html

Yes, you remember right.
The soil here has big amounts of iron oxides and decrease the phenomenon.
I saw very big difference at phenomenon from City to City.
At places with big amounts of iron oxides when increase the transmitting power then we have erratic signals.

[Geo]

if is not static so is electric , is right geo ??

micro voltmeter or mili voltmeter ???

............:???::???:

[zakari]

hi
I know geo interesting to combine mfd with radio like the andy flind
I guess the second circuit is rf


best regards
zakari

[zakari]

Hi.
Please don't write with capital letters, is very tiring.
This schematic has nothing to do with FG79. It is for FG80, FG90 and DC2008.
Frequency depends of the model. Fg90 is near to 34Khz, FG80 80...85 and DC2008 near to 100....105Khz. This time i don't remember exactly


i am sorry my mean was fg90 about tuning frequency35-40khz

[Geo]

hi
I know geo interesting to combine mfd with radio like the andy flind
I guess the second circuit is rf


best regards
zakari

Maybe electric field detector, maybe UV receiver maybe both... i did n't decide yet.
Experiments will show...:lol:

[Mike(Mont)]

Conductive ground absorbs the signal.


http://www.fondriest.com/environmental-measurements/parameters/water-quality/conductivity-salinity-tds/

[Geo]

I agree, this is the reason that iron oxides at soil decrease the signal.
Also a big amount of iron near to target destroy the phenomenon...
Near to my City we are not Lucky :(

[humhum]

I believe it could be done at a different system.
Here transmitter and receiver have the first stage common, so the more high power at oscillator the lower sensitivity at receiver. All the story is to find the balance point for better results(at normal terrain).

:)

Yes , Absolutely right.

[humhum]

Here there is the schematic of the receiver.
The 1st Transistor works as oscillator

http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showpost.php?p=143650&postcount=17

First Tr. is self RF OSC ,also time is very sensitive Preamplifier for Static and Electromagnetic potentials . ;)

[zakari]

Hi
Geo thank you so much for start this thread please continue that



best regards
zakari

[Geo]

Trying to calibrate my modified FG80. :cool:

[Geo]

Few steps to finish it.....:)

[zakari]

hi geo

very excellent job:):)
where is the circuit no:3
can do you put a photo in front of the box

best regards

zakari

[Geo]

Circuit 3 is a receiver for an other lrl. I made the test and decided to use circuit1 as more sensitive.

[Geo]

Zakari here what there is...:cool:

[zakari]

hi geo
thank you very much for your effort and your information.all masters of this forum are my teacher and I have learn many things from you and esteban and franco italy and another masters of this forum

I dont know why do you change your plan ?:frown::shrug::???:


best regards
zakari

[Geo]

Hi.
I did n't change any plan.
Very simple i try to make it more powerfull.
For the time is at least 2 times more sensitive than the original FG90.

[Geo]

front side....:cool:

[Geo]

hi geo
thank you very much for your effort and your information.all masters of this forum are my teacher and I have learn many things from you and esteban and franco italy and another masters of this forum

I dont know why do you change your plan ?:frown::shrug::???:


best regards
zakari

............

[humhum]

in Beep Generator stage ,when you use Piezo Tweetwr it some time will generate self false signals. this message was from Esteban before many years. :nono:

[Geo]

Yes, i know it.
It depended from the frequency of buzzer inner oscillator, from distance of loop etc....

[abdou2014]

hi, can we replace (electric field detector pcb) by a radio ??? :p

[Geo]

hi, can we replace (electric field detector pcb) by a radio ??? :p

I don't think.
But you are free to try everything you like....

[abdou2014]

Thank you Mr Geo !

[Geo]

You can do it but it is not the right way...

[Geo]

Finally i replaced the electric field detector with a difference one because the first was not so stable. The new is very stable and has more gain.

[iam_7up_gamer]

with series 4 * 1n60

[Geo]

Every Ge diode is OK.

[Geo]

The construction of Mineoro clone with mods finished.
Weather don't allow to make a real field test but as i checked it at lab it has very very good sensitivity and is very stable.
Good T.H...:):):)

[humhum]

Every Ge diode is OK.


Yes ,good idea , also Esteban was use this method.


Geo ,you with what Antenna make test this circuit , with Stylus ant. or with Ferrite Toroidal + Loop ant. ???
Which is more Good ?

[Geo]

For electric field... stylus ant.
I can't test electric field pcb inside the lab, only outside.

[abdou2014]

can you share us only the electric field schematic ???

[zakari]

can you share us only the electric field schematic ???
hi
brother hakim this is good idea


geo can you share only electric field schematic?


best regards
zakari

[zakari]

hi geo
did you use a beep generator common for emf and ef detector circuits
if your answer is yes whats the value of capacitors between these circuits?




best regards
zakari

[Geo]

hi geo
did you use a beep generator common for emf and ef detector circuits
if your answer is yes whats the value of capacitors between these circuits?




best regards
zakari

it is a modify of FG80 beep generator. Yes i use a 47nf for coupling

[humhum]

For electric field... stylus ant.
I can't test electric field pcb inside the lab, only outside.


Dear Geo ,I use two Stylus antennas only when circuits is with Comparator system.
(Esteban PD three antennas)

[Geo]

The only fast and easy way to measure the resonance of the loops is the grid dip meter.
Here is a photo of my GDP (very rough and fast construction). After the dip i check the frequency via the digital oscilloscope by taking the signal inductively.

[humhum]

For Resonant measuring of Metalls, I use Signal generator with Tx coil and Rx coil with two neodium magnet and sample metals , in last my test Gold was have resonanat of 45 hz and more high Freq.(multiple).

[Geo]

Here the photo of the finished Mineoro modified clone:cool:

[abdou2014]

Congratulations Mr Geo :)

[Mike(Mont)]

Looks nice. Is it similar to the ToTeM?

[Geo]

No, it is a clone of Mineoro FG80, FG90

[Mike(Mont)]

That's what the ToTeM is. ???

I don't know anything about Mineoro, I thought the ToTeM was a copy of it. Anyway, hope you make some good finds.

Come on Springtime!

[kostas87]

Masterpiece from Geo, as always!

[WM6]

Masterpiece from Geo, as always!


Agree. Geo is most productive constructor in field of LRL.

[Mike(Mont)]

I thought about that statement, and thought about all the mini Contraptions I have attempted over the last forty years, then I asked myself "Is that a blessing or a curse?" I mean if the device worked i would not still be at the soldering table. :D And like Mel Fisher said every day for 16 years "Today is the day." I'll say this, Geo's is a lot better looking than mine and i hope his works.

[Geo]

Thanks to all for good words :):cheers::cheers:

[shahrayar]

Ion House for my device fumbles hands after ten centimeters
When 27 volts are turned on, the sensitivity of the hands disappears
Is this good

[shahrayar]

Why is the ion chamber sensing my hands of ten centimeters and non-ferrous metals as well
Is her work true
Or did I make it strong too

[Geo]

Ion House for my device fumbles hands after ten centimeters
When 27 volts are turned on, the sensitivity of the hands disappears
Is this good

I suppose that you have a PDC210 model (using of 27v).When i was owner of a similar model i don't remember so hight sensitivity. Is the detector stable with this sensitivity????

[Geo]

Why is the ion chamber sensing my hands of ten centimeters and non-ferrous metals as well
Is her work true
Or did I make it strong too

It is not the chamber who catches your hand but the antenna.

[WM6]

Why is the ion chamber sensing my hands of ten centimeters and non-ferrous metals as well




Perhaps you wear golden watch on your hand or something like that.




.

[Geo]

PDC210 is not a FG (fresh gold) model :lol:

[pablo72]

PDC210 is not a FG (fresh gold) model :lol:


after long time, what are results of your clone?

[Geo]

From experiments at field the maximun distance is 35m and the depth is 60cm. Maybe it has better abilities but i write what i "saw".
Ofcourse as all knows the abilities of lrls are depented from many factors, we know some of them but i afraid thet don't know many other....

[shahrayar]

I wanted to make a gold detector
I made a device that reveals the aura of humans:lol::lol:

[shahrayar]

I suppose that you have a PDC210 model (using of 27v).When i was owner of a similar model i don't remember so hight sensitivity. Is the detector stable with this sensitivity????

The machine is quite stable
The problem when sensitivity is maximized senses the human aura

[Morgan]

Here the photo of the finished Mineoro modified clone:cool:

how nice wood box, hope it is a real LRL,
as you know I have the DC2008, here the field tests, I can say iy locate a gold plated plate at 50 cm ,thats the best distance I get, according mineoro factury it should locate the gold plate at 50 m ...

see video with field test in gold medallion and silver bracelet :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXt_HWG0ghE

[Geo]

how nice wood box, hope it is a real LRL,
as you know I have the DC2008, here the field tests, I can say iy locate a gold plated plate at 50 cm ,thats the best distance I get, according mineoro factury it should locate the gold plate at 50 m ...

see video with field test in gold medallion and silver bracelet :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXt_HWG0ghE

You are owner of an original (normal) DC2008.
My Mineoro clone is a modified clone so the sensitivity is better, the same and the distance.
Also i believe that you know that lrls can't locate a fresh metal far from antenna. Only if exists the phenomenon and if the lrl has the ability to catch it
So don't play with this ""gold"" plate. Its a Mineoro fraud

[Morgan]

sure I know that since many years ago, I talk about ancient buried gold

[Geo]

Hi.
My modified Mineoro can locate ancient coins (at good terain) from 30...35 m easy.
Look here.... http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showpost.php?p=157287&postcount=15

Regards

[humhum]

Hi.
My modified Mineoro can locate ancient coins (at good terain) from 30...35 m easy.
Look here.... http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showpost.php?p=157287&postcount=15

Regards

Dear Geo , very good finding , but (max 30-35m) distance is very short for Mineoro .
With experiment it finding from Km , but only in good wheather coundition .

Regards .

[Geo]

Don't believe what they say!!!
So long distance is possible only with ferrite antenna.

[humhum]

Don't believe what they say!!!
So long distance is possible only with ferrite antenna.

Master , I not mean for Original Mineoro , I mean for my home made Mineoro , that find big Object from Km , this is different from Original Mineoro , but also use Org. Mineoro Sensor .

Regards

[Geo]

At my tests the Mineoro sensor (Ion Chamber) did n't give good results :frown:.

[Geo]

Last years i don't interesting for very long distance. 50m are enough for me.
I am interesting more for 2 things....
a. the ability to find the center (pinpoint) and
b. the ability to work at more difficult conditions

:)

[humhum]

Last years i don't interesting for very long distance. 50m are enough for me.
I am interesting more for 2 things....
a. the ability to find the center (pinpoint) and
b. the ability to work at more difficult conditions

:)

About my home made Mineoro is so:
a) Find of Center is around 1m X 1m
b) No , not works in difficult condition , only in special coundition .
But my last build Alonso PD works in all wheather counditions up to 300m ,
and with center pinpoint around 30cm X 30cm .

I've seen results by experimenting a lot in the real field, also in my garden .

Regards.

[abdou2014]

Finally i replaced the electric field detector with a difference one because the first was not so stable. The new is very stable and has more gain.

I built a similar version, magnetic + electric receivers, my electrical receiver is based on TDA7000 ,

what is the inductance of your ferrite magnetic field receiver and the diameter of the wire ?

can I have the schematic of your electric 3 ICs receiver ?

Thank you Geo :)

[Geo]

Hi.
The coil inside the Pot Core has inductance 2mH.
I don't have the schematic of electric field detector, i lost most schematics before 2 years after a HD crash. I have only some pcb's. The basic IC is an INA-121...

[abdou2014]

Thanks Geo :)

[folharin]

greetings to newbies

[abdou2014]

I built a new loop antenna for my mineoro, 494 mH I know it's too much but for VLF reception, I don't know the best is a large inductance with parallel picofarade or a medium inductance with parallel nanofarade ???

[abdou2014]

2 mH according to Mr Geo it is not for a VLF reception , on what frequency does the antenna resonate with 2 mH ????

[Geo]

Depended of the tuning capacitor.
A total capacitance of 500pf and an inductance 2mh gives a frequency near to 100Khz.

[abdou2014]

Thank you very much :)

[ishtar hunter]

The antenna loop:)


Hi dear Geo .
Do you can help me about mineoro FG90 device?
I need the information of these two ferrite cores.
The infrared receiver of my device is defective, what type of infrared should I use instead?
https://s6.uupload.ir/files/img-20211110-wa0012-1_vzo6.jpg
<a href="https://uupload.ir/view/img-20211110-wa0012-1_vzo6.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="https://s6.uupload.ir/files/img-20211110-wa0012-1_vzo6_thumb.jpg" border="0" alt="آپلود عکس" /></a>

[Geo]

Ferrite core of magnetic receiver is IP6 / 2000 (potcore).
I have n't details of the other ferrites back of the ion chamber.
FG90 has n't IR receiver :???:

[Geo]

front side....:cool:

I decided to replace the "electric" receiver.
I new one with more than 120db gain is ready. Now i try to fix it inside the new case.

:)

[abdou2014]

i have this schema but you made some mod , can you give info ?

[Geo]

Nothing special. One more filter for 40Hz and up!!!:cool:

[abdou2014]

i need details about input, there ara two 10M and Pot , how its connected ?

[Geo]

One antenna for every input. Potentiometer was only for the test.

[abdou2014]

i tried it with original schema and esteban pcb and don't work for me

[Geo]

For me works ok.
I need best weather to fine adjust it....

[abdou2014]

help me to it work for me too

[Geo]

Sorry but so long distance!!!:frown:

[abdou2014]

By email :)

[Dubulumach]

:)

[abdou2014]

Where is our brave Greek ?

[Dubulumach]

:)

[Dubulumach]

:)

[Geo]

AC coupling is not good at IR detection. We don't need modulation.
:)

[Geo]

:)

At left side everything about 324 is wrong...:frown:

:)

[Dubulumach]

:)

[Geo]

Hi Dragan.
Really i don't know if a good magnetic detector is good at our days for T.H.
I believe No...
The big problem is the noise. The background noise is bigger than the signal of any buried object so no way (or very very dificult)to catch it.
We must looking for something different.
One way is to check the total noise!!!!!!
Do u understand????? :lol::lol::cool:

Regards:)

[Dubulumach]

This special configuration with multiple feedbacks improve SNR while still maintaing high gain enough for catch the very tiny signals from the phenomenon.

Analyse it Geo. The first stage haven't negative feedback which is present in all emitter resistive load configurations. It was intentionaly changed for the dynamically load which keep change momentarely accroding to the input signals. Same worth for the collector load where is no constant resistive load but here load is dinamically changing. On this way we would get better power amplification and very low output impendance while after detection stage we get pure and clean LF signal without distorsions from the phenomena excitation. As you well know the main sources of noise in the circuist like it is primitive Alnso PD magnetic receiver which their authors had presented like the biggest engineering art all the time but in reallity is not worth building and spending precious time. So as i said the big resistive values are really unacceptable for any lrl frontend receiver. I am wondering how no one experienced electronic engineer doesn't see that or doesnt want to see the real facts which are really basic terms in electronics for the novices.

In presented circuit the main amplification are coming fom the two special ferrite rods which were connected consistently. In fact every new attached rods in this configuration would improve SNR while maintaing highest possible gain without the self-oscillation of the circuit. Also this cicuit has AGC loop with automatically self biasing which is not the case in any commercial Mineoro LRL and also any lrl schematic at this forum. Also this circuit is insensitive to the low battery power which is not the case in Alonso's and any other receivers.

People.
I don't ask all of you to belive me but to understand me. Withouth understaning no one idea has worth.

PS: As you know a lot of LRL secrets i think it wouldn't be a problem for you to enter the needed element's values and make sucessful experimens. Thats for now.

Regards :)

[Yusufyaba]

geo. The way to block out noise is through a very strong stimulant. I know I'm wrong.

[Geo]

As i know no way to reduce the background noise.
Our effort is to bring out the signal of the buried object and not to block the noise.
Anyway... at some terrens it's so so difficult :frown:

[Geo]

This special configuration with multiple feedbacks improve SNR while still maintaing high gain enough for catch the very tiny signals from the phenomenon.

Analyse it Geo. The first stage haven't negative feedback which is present in all emitter resistive load configurations. It was intentionaly changed for the dynamically load which keep change momentarely accroding to the input signals. Same worth for the collector load where is no constant resistive load but here load is dinamically changing. On this way we would get better power amplification and very low output impendance while after detection stage we get pure and clean LF signal without distorsions from the phenomena excitation. As you well know the main sources of noise in the circuist like it is primitive Alnso PD magnetic receiver which their authors had presented like the biggest engineering art all the time but in reallity is not worth building and spending precious time. So as i said the big resistive values are really unacceptable for any lrl frontend receiver. I am wondering how no one experienced electronic engineer doesn't see that or doesnt want to see the real facts which are really basic terms in electronics for the novices.

In presented circuit the main amplification are coming fom the two special ferrite rods which were connected consistently. In fact every new attached rods in this configuration would improve SNR while maintaing highest possible gain without the self-oscillation of the circuit. Also this cicuit has AGC loop with automatically self biasing which is not the case in any commercial Mineoro LRL and also any lrl schematic at this forum. Also this circuit is insensitive to the low battery power which is not the case in Alonso's and any other receivers.

People.
I don't ask all of you to belive me but to understand me. Withouth understaning no one idea has worth.

PS: As you know a lot of LRL secrets i think it wouldn't be a problem for you to enter the needed element's values and make sucessful experimens. Thats for now.

Regards :)

Hi Dragan.
As u know i have stop to try with magnetic field receivers.
I play only with 2 types of lrl.
1. With radioactive antenna and
2. by measuring the total noise.

Regards:)

[Dubulumach]

Hi Geo

Yes Geo has a right. No way to reduce the background noise because its etheric noise due to etheric wind.

But we can improve SNR ratio of the receiver circuit and catch the tiny signals from the phenomenon.

1. Use special ferrite rods for a wanted frequency range
2. Don't use high values resistive loads
3. Shrink the receiver's bandwidth to get it very narrow, improving Q factor and free signal from the wideband noise whick rise quadratically.
4. Use minimum number of componnets in the receiver's circuit because every new one bring own self noise to the circuit.

Criogenically techniques we don't get into the account.

Regards :)

[kostas87]

Hello, Dubulumach!
If the Q is increased, its square oscillation will also increase ..a very high Q and with precise tuning at a frequency (Ψ) will bring a gain above 5v~ ..but again this can be corrected..etc. .
The point is that you have worked to find a proper ferrite two piece receiver and you have gathered the high Q value of the effect can you give us details about the double ferrite?winding etc.
we have coils that catch part of the Φαινόμενο the signal but no a good two piece ferrite coil..

[aft_72005]

:)

nice work.. as I know you using draw by splan .. you forgot chamber antenna

[aft_72005]

:)

other thing .. is really working as long range ?

[Dubulumach]

Any lrl need Tx stage (stimulator) precisely tuned with the receiver to work.
Schametic i have gave is a dynamic frontend receiver much better than primitive schematic of Alonso PD or any other schematic at forum. Transistors you need low noise type and diodes are germanium type. Ferrite coils should be tuned for the desired freq.range. Experiments are the judges of theoris so if you need it you will try it.:)

[Yusufyaba]

:)

hello dubulumach
I wonder if there is a component list for message 229.
If there is no special situation, I can also wait by e-mail.

[aft_72005]

:)

Hi Dubulumach

Please send the parts list to my email.
Thank you
My email

aft72005.1@gmail.com

[Pahom]

:)

At first glance, the circuit is simple, but it is very capricious to set up. Even with high-quality parts, it may stop working due to changes in temperature or humidity. It?s interesting how the receiving path of the FG-90 behaves. If you have experience, please share your observations.

[ishtar hunter]

Ferrite core of magnetic receiver is IP6 / 2000 (potcore).
I have n't details of the other ferrites back of the ion chamber.
FG90 has n't IR receiver :???:
I attach the picture of my fg 90 and IR reciver

[ishtar hunter]

:)

Hi dear Dubulumach
In my fg90 , to pin freq i have 864 HZ with 4.7 volt but this frequncy
It passes from R7 resistance to osc pin .
How many ohms is R7? 1M ohm????
In my IR transmiter we have 153 HZ with 7 volt , but my receiver IR is defective ، What type of IR receiver can i replace?
My device is faulty.