how the pendulum works?

[abdlam]

hi all;
i am work ;detect treasure by cupper cords(pistol...), so i need to know about how the pendulum works with the buries objects while it deep 1 or 2 metters?
please who has any idea about pendulum expirence please pass it to me like;
bendulum measure type and deepth ,i hear it is good to discover treasures!
regards

[Dell Winders]

how the pendulum works?
hi all;
i am work ;detect treasure by cupper cords(pistol...), so i need to know about how the pendulum works with the buries objects while it deep 1 or 2 metters?
please who has any idea about pendulum expirence please pass it to me like;
bendulum measure type and deepth ,i hear it is good to discover treasures!
regards

The Dowsing Pendulum is usually used as a visible communication extension of your own mind. A meta-physics, psychic tool, usually used for Map, photo, and Information Dowsing.

There is no scientifically known physical (physics) connection between the human mind, and buried objects.

However, Dowsing RODS can serve as Antenna with reception according to the materials it is made of, and the humam body can act like a receiver to boost and amplify the strength of an incoming signal. Much like increasing reception radio reception by touching the antenna, or increasing, or decreasing TV reception, depending where you stand, by touching a Rabbit ear TV antenna.

Physics are incorporated in the use of so called "Dowsing" Rod(s) aided by a trained Ideomotor response to provide Mental Discrimination of the "fields' of buried anomalies.

Electronic discrimination of anomalies can be accompolished with the broadcast of specific frequency.

Good luck! Dell

[Max]

hi all;
i am work ;detect treasure by cupper cords(pistol...), so i need to know about how the pendulum works with the buries objects while it deep 1 or 2 metters?
please who has any idea about pendulum expirence please pass it to me like;
bendulum measure type and deepth ,i hear it is good to discover treasures!
regards

Hi,
yes works... but only for to make swiss clocks! :D

I mean... you will not find the gold pot with it... unless you are some mystical Casey-case maybe! :lol:

But I think is not the case you are some Casey if you ask this here... and case read Dell's posts about ethereal signals cases... ;)

Kind regards,
Max

[Lake]

The Dowsing Pendulum is usually used as a visible communication extension of your own mind. A meta-physics, psychic tool, usually used for Map, photo, and Information Dowsing.


It certainly requires lots of work to practice mind, focus, mind-body-connection etc to get accurate results..
Binaural sounds and meditation might be useful.
http://www.bwgen.com/

[Qiaozhi]

Binaural sounds and meditation might be useful.
On the other hand, it might not. ;)

[Lake]

On the other hand, it might not. ;)

Sure.. some people have the gift already when they born..

[Max]

Sure.. some people have the gift already when they born..

Or just nobody has that gift... :D

[Lake]

Here is Canadian Dowsers article about how meditation is useful in dowsing:
http://www.canadiandowsers.org/Article_McCoy1.html

Here are some great tools to practice brains for that:
http://openeeg.sourceforge.net/doc/
http://www.realization.org/page/topics/electric_guru.htm
http://freenet-homepage.de/moosec/projekte/simpleeeg/index-Dateien/MonolithEEG13_e.htm
http://www.quantumconsciousness.org/EEGmeditation.htm

[J_Player]

Here is Canadian Dowsers article about how meditation is useful in dowsing:
http://www.canadiandowsers.org/Article_McCoy1.html

Here are some great tools to practice brains for that:
http://openeeg.sourceforge.net/doc/
http://www.realization.org/page/topi...ctric_guru.htm (http://www.realization.org/page/topics/electric_guru.htm)
http://freenet-homepage.de/moosec/pr...ithEEG13_e.htm (http://freenet-homepage.de/moosec/projekte/simpleeeg/index-Dateien/MonolithEEG13_e.htm)
http://www.quantumconsciousness.org/EEGmeditation.htm
Hi Lake,
These links show interesting articles about meditating and measuring brain waves. But I don't see anything about dowsing in any of these links.

Now, when we look at dowsing, it appears that the dowser is attempting to locate things hidden under the ground while holding some appliance in his hands such as rods or a pendulum. We can infer that he is sensing something with the help of the appliance that is interpreted by his brain to locate the hidden item that he is looking for. The apparent mechanisms at work are the existing geophysical fields, the appliance that the dowser holds, the dowser's nervous system, and the dowser's brain. If a dowser is able to accurately locate a hidden object, then it is presumed this is accomplished by the combination of the dowsing appliance and the nervous system and brain of the dowser.

Can it work?
We have seen evidence that many lower animals become very upset before a major earthquake or other geophysical catastrophy. Many of these animals also are able to navigate and sense impending danger in ways that humans cannot.

How do they do it?
Scientists have discovered that many lower animals are equipped with sensors at the ends of their nervous systems that are able to sense geophysical and chemical / electrical anomalies that humans are insensitive to. It appears that the basic method of wiring for the nervous system is similar, but the sensing ability is different depending on the species and also the variation within the species. Could this explain why only a few people claim to be successful with dowsing when compared to the whole earth's population?

Now, we know that within the human species, some people are better at any of the 5 commonly known senses. For example, blind people often have extra keen hearing. But there are also some percentages of people who have excellent hearing or eyesight because they were genetically endowed with it. So we see that within the human species, people can have improved senses because of a genetic gift, or because of training to become more attuned to a particular sense. We also know that genetics can prevent some people from ever developing some senses, such as a person born colorblind will never be able to see certain colors.

So if some people claim to have a dowsing gift, we cannot simply say they do not have this gift. We must first observe them recovering the hidden objects they claim to be able to locate in a double blind test, and then we can determine whether they have dowsing ability or not.

Having said all that, I am wondering...
I figure the nervous system and brain of a space alien may not be constructed exactly the same as the human species, and maybe dowsing is easy for them. Has anybody read any reports on the ability of space aliens to dowse?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Lake]

> These links show interesting articles about meditating and measuring brain
> waves. But I don't see anything about dowsing in any of these links.

I have heard that many dowsers meditate before starting the dowsing.

Canadia Dowsers site clearly says it improves the accuracy.
Some kind of inner state of mind is required to achieve higher accuracy.

I quote some text from canadian dowsers site..

"To achieve accuracy in dowsing, you need to be able to move into a special place of awareness. Meditation is an excellent means to achieve this inner state... editor's note."

So it relates to subject so that is brainwaves are out of balance -> pendulum might not work..

[Lake]

Some dowsers say that they can't use the ability to selfish purposes such as finding treasure, locating mushrooms etc..
They use it for example to heal people..

[Max]

Some dowsers say that they can't use the ability to selfish purposes such as finding treasure, locating mushrooms etc..
They use it for example to heal people..

If they say this... must be truth! No dubt ! :lol:

[Mike(Mont)]

It's like some people have a hard time chewing gum and walking at the same time. If you have to think about it, you aren't dowsing. I've heard of people singing nursery rhymes or doing simple math problems to take their mind off it.

As for meditation, it calms the emotions, reduces tension. In real meditation, the person tunes out outside influences, even minor pain. Not the same as hypnosis. Self hypnosis is delusional and probably responsible for many "dowsing" errors. People really want to believe they have found a Jesuit treasure or whatever.

Depending on which wave component you are detecting, a tuned pendulum can be as simple as a bar magnet on a string north-seeking end pointed down (don't know about down under) or horizontal. It has to do with the earth's magnetic induction which affects all things, not just ferro-magnetic.

[Mike(Mont)]

I read and heard about how hypnotism can do damage to a person. Is it a coincidence that many hypnotists use a pendulum to induce their subjects? I have to believe that many hypnotists have some sort of need to control other people. If you get the chance, turn it down.

[Mike(Mont)]

I sure don't claim to know it all. What I understand is map dowsing detects the vertical wave. I read that if you hold your hands near a faucet of running water it will charge you so you are more able to pick up the vertical waves and feel the resonance of your thought waves and the target. You have to try to feel it. Try moving your hands closer to the water then a little farther away, then back and forth (towards the finger tips then palms) until you feel a cool breezy sensation, usually at least thirty seconds. This is the vorticies of your acupuncture points you are charging. Works for L-rods, too.

[Mike(Mont)]

I plan to try an experiment with a Turenne Cage. This is similar to the Faraday cage but instead of an electric current you use magnets. The magnets are positioned at each corner of a cube (He used wood). For vertical waves you point the bar magnets so the north-seeking pole is pointed down, one magnet at each of the eight corners. Then you need to use a vertical selective pendulum--a bar magnet on a string north-seeking pole pointed down. Place whatever you want to check in the center of the cube and dowse it. I see no reason why a map wouldn't work. Also, it might be possible to build a cage to use an L-rod, I don't know. I'll post my results here.

Hills talks about it, said an experienced dowser can override the effect. So what actually happens inside the cage may be mostly (but not all) a psychological effect. So I started thinking...more of a parabolic funnel shape??? Or maybe just a rifle barrel. Some sort of device you can wear and walk around with. And then there is electromagnets possibly hooked up to a frequency generator...You heard it here first.

[Qiaozhi]

I plan to try an experiment with a Turenne Cage. This is similar to the Faraday cage but instead of an electric current you use magnets. The magnets are positioned at each corner of a cube (He used wood). For vertical waves you point the bar magnets so the north-seeking pole is pointed down, one magnet at each of the eight corners. Then you need to use a vertical selective pendulum--a bar magnet on a string north-seeking pole pointed down. Place whatever you want to check in the center of the cube and dowse it. I see no reason why a map wouldn't work. Also, it might be possible to build a cage to use an L-rod, I don't know. I'll post my results here.

Hills talks about it, said an experienced dowser can override the effect. So what actually happens inside the cage may be mostly (but not all) a psychological effect. So I started thinking...more of a parabolic funnel shape??? Or maybe just a rifle barrel. Some sort of device you can wear and walk around with. And then there is electromagnets possibly hooked up to a frequency generator...You heard it here first.
:lol:

[J_Player]

So I started thinking...more of a parabolic funnel shape??? Or maybe just a rifle barrel. Some sort of device you can wear and walk around with. And then there is electromagnets possibly hooked up to a frequency generator...You heard it here first.Hi Mike(Mont),
Pay no attention to the naysayers. What do they know about devices worn on the head or magnets?
I for one, think your idea makes a lot of sense.

I have read about experiments along these lines many decades ago that worked for finding things even more important than treasure. Let's take a close look at what has been done in the past. Now, in the photos below, you will see there is apparently no problem to find treasure. And I am certain it will work perfectly just as you described.

But if you have any trouble locating the treasure, then just follow the yellow brick road and keep an eye open for a rainbow... this will mean you are close. But watch out for an ugly lady riding a broom from the west... she can spoil your day! In the worst case, if you don't find treasure, maybe you will find the same thing the tin man recovered so many decades ago... :rolleyes:

"What has been done can be done"
J_P

[Mike(Mont)]

Please do not distort what I said. I NEVER mentioned wearing anything (especially magnets) on your head. That's very dangerous, can cause brain tumors to grow rapidly if you get the wrong polarity. Most people do not understand anything about magnets, not even which pole is which. Even people who manufacture and sell magnets have it wrong about half the time. There's a book called The Body Magnetic that explains much about it. If you are planning on experimenting with magnets I strongly suggest you study this or don't mess with magnets at all AND NEVER PUT ANY MAGNET NEAR YOUR HEAD. Even some hearing-aid magnets can be harmful and can adversely affect your dowsing.

[Theseus]

Please do not distort what I said. I NEVER mentioned wearing anything (especially magnets) on your head. That's very dangerous, can cause brain tumors to grow rapidly if you get the wrong polarity.

Wrong polarity? Your comment makes it sound like one polarity makes brain tumors grow and thus infers the opposite polarity would shrink them or destroy them. Do you have a medical ref where you obtained this information?

[J_Player]

Please do not distort what I said. I NEVER mentioned wearing anything (especially magnets) on your head. That's very dangerous, can cause brain tumors to grow rapidly if you get the wrong polarity.Hi Mike(Mont),
Actually, you did mention some sort of device you can wear and walk around with. And you also mentioned a parabolic or funnel shape. Here is what you originally said concerning magnets, transmitters and wearing things:So I started thinking...more of a parabolic funnel shape??? Or maybe just a rifle barrel. Some sort of device you can wear and walk around with. And then there is electromagnets possibly hooked up to a frequency generator...You heard it here first.Nobody is talking about wearing magnets on your head. What you see on the tin man's head is a metal funnel. This is, of course corresponds to the parabolic funnel shaped device you mentioned that could be worn. (I naturally ruled out wearing a rifle barrel on your head, because it just doesn't fit as well as a funnel).

The original funnel worn by the tin man was galvanized steel. The modern version is an aluminum funnel. Neither of these are magnetic, but the older steel version could concentrate vertical magnetic lines of flux that may be suspected to cause magnetic brain tumors in the cerebellum of the tin man. (Take note: In the story of the original tin man, his scarecrow buddy did not have a cerebellum, or any part of a brain. In fact this is what he was searching for). But for a modern LRL treasure hunter, I would suspect you should use the older plated steel funnel on your head unless you are sure you also don't have a cerebellum. The more modern aluminum version should work nicely as a Faraday shield, but will do little to protect you from the dreaded hazards of wrong-polarity magnetic brain tumors.

The magnet is not worn on the body. Actually, in the configuration shown, there is one magnet with the poles set vertically in the pendulum, and several others, including a large vertically polarized rare earth magnet at the base of the VLF transmitting antenna high atop the water tower. The other four rare earth magnets are placed in the four corners of the area where you are searching. Since it is not practical to put a magnetic cage over a large area of land, we can simply drive a tall steel pipe in the ground at each of the four magnets. This will tend to concentrate the magnetic flux in the four corners of the search area to form a 4-pole matrix canopy over the area you are searching, without stopping the magnetically altered VLF signal coming from high atop the water tower.

I think you can see the relative improvement of this blend of modern and antique methods, which leaves you completely free from the risk of wrong-polarity magnetic brain tumors.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Mike(Mont)]

The wrong polarity probably won't start any new tumors, just increase the growth rate of the current ones. I don't need medical opinion to warn people of the dangers. There's lots of info available on cell phone usage. My sister had a brain tumer removed after months of radiation treatment. She wasn't too happy about it.

Your post said wear it on your head. I never said that. As for the funnel shape parobolic, I was talking about the shape of a Turenne cage on the horizontal axis (sort of like a jet intake) and I haven't a clue if it will do anything that a cube won't do, just brain storming as most of my posts are. In the end, if you "can't dowse any better than random chance" then it is unlikely to help you.

[Theseus]

In the end, if you "can't dowse any better than random chance" then it is unlikely to help you.

I wasn't aware of any published reports showing examples of individuals who could consistently demonstrate dowsing at a significance level better than random chance. Are you aware of any?

[J_Player]

Your post said wear it on your head. I never said that. As for the funnel shape parobolic, I was talking about the shape of a Turenne cage on the horizontal axis (sort of like a jet intake) and I haven't a clue if it will do anything that a cube won't do, just brain storming as most of my posts are.Hi Mike(Mont),
I guess I have to agree that wearing a galvanized steel funnel on your head may not be the best for brainstorming. When you think about it, the steel funnel will probably shield your brain from the influence of magnetic storms. Who knows? Perhaps magnetic storms influencing the brain is how we find some of our best ideas for LRL detection.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Qiaozhi]

The wrong polarity probably won't start any new tumors, just increase the growth rate of the current ones. I don't need medical opinion to warn people of the dangers. There's lots of info available on cell phone usage. My sister had a brain tumer removed after months of radiation treatment. She wasn't too happy about it.

Your post said wear it on your head. I never said that. As for the funnel shape parobolic, I was talking about the shape of a Turenne cage on the horizontal axis (sort of like a jet intake) and I haven't a clue if it will do anything that a cube won't do, just brain storming as most of my posts are. In the end, if you "can't dowse any better than random chance" then it is unlikely to help you.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Honestly - I cannot decide whether you're being serious or not... ;)

[Theseus]

I'm pretty sure he is very serious.

[Mike(Mont)]

Louis Turenne was a physicist from France. His work on developing dowsing instruments was done in the first half of the 1900's. Besides the Turenne cage and various selective pendulums, he invented the Turenne rule which worked similar to an interferometer. By exciting a sample with a small amount of radioactive material (sunlight or magnetics will work), it created an induction and interference patterns which he read with his pendulum. By measuring where he got the pendulum reaction he could analyze the sample's wave length (relatively speaking). He could detect any element of the known 92 elements at that time and even left room on his rule for five yet-to-be-discovered radioactive elements. He was probably the most knowledgable dowser of his time. Christopher Hills inherited his lifetime work though a friend along with about 150 other works. Much of it had to be translated into English. Hills complied this info, injected his work on consciousness( he was into yoga, big time), and published it in his bible on dowsing "Supersensonics".

I really don't understand why some people get so upset when I post about dowsing. I find it an absolutely fascinating subject. I wish you would read his book and you would have a much better understanding, even if you don't agree with it. On all the dowsing forums I have yet to see one single post about this wonderful book. I guess most people are intimidated by it. It's definitely college-level material. It's said people fear what they don't understand, and dowsing is no exception. Terms like witchcraft and voodo just go to show this (sort of like me and hypnosis). It's not that way at all and Hills book goes a huge way to show this.

[Max]

I'm pretty sure he is very serious.

yes... i think the same... :lol:

[Theseus]

I have read at some length, the volume Supersensonics by C Hills, and I would hardly rank it at college level material ---unless of course you are speaking of The College of Snake Oil and Other Flim-flam Alternatives. :D

[Mike(Mont)]

Like the saying goes, "We are whatever disturbs us." What is it about dowsing that disturbs you? I'm sure you are well aware that Dr. Hills donated a huge portion of his life and income to helping others. He's hardly a snake-oil salesman.

"Actually we have the ability within our imaginations to tune ourselves to the total range of frequencies but we do not use it. Why? Because our preset biological survival tuning (food, shelter, sex, etc.) is feeding us such strong signals that most of us do not want to change the channel. Essentially it means dropping our identities as limited bags of skin called human beings and not paying attention to the physical sensation level vibrations and this is the last thing many of us want to do... "

This is from "Energy Matter & Form" by Allen, Bearne, and Smith

[Theseus]

Like the saying goes, "We are whatever disturbs us." What is it about dowsing that disturbs you?

I've never heard that "saying" before. Even so, a saying is just that; and should not be considered as anything but a random thought, having no particular relevance or significance to the subject at hand.

There is nothing about dowsing that disturbs me.

I find it an incredibly amusing pseudoscientific topic. Amusing, that seemingly otherwise rational-thinking individuals can become so embroiled and defensive of the topic, that it becomes of a much greater significance in their lives than it really should. To the point where it becomes important to the actual exclusion of all other rational thought processes.

What is it about rational thinking that disturbs you?

[Max]

oh oh ! :D

So.... how the pendulum works then ? you'll first fry in snake-oil before use ?
Or just concentrate till fumes exist from your ears and it starts moving ? :lol:

Misteries of snake-oil... :rolleyes:

[J_Player]

Like the saying goes, "We are whatever disturbs us." What is it about dowsing that disturbs you?Hmmmm...
Does this mean we should not be disturbed by brain tumors from wrong-polarity magnetic fields near the head, or we may become a brain tumor? :eek:

Best wishes,
J_P

[Qiaozhi]

Louis Turenne was a physicist from France. His work on developing dowsing instruments was done in the first half of the 1900's. Besides the Turenne cage and various selective pendulums, he invented the Turenne rule which worked similar to an interferometer. By exciting a sample with a small amount of radioactive material (sunlight or magnetics will work), it created an induction and interference patterns which he read with his pendulum. By measuring where he got the pendulum reaction he could analyze the sample's wave length (relatively speaking). He could detect any element of the known 92 elements at that time and even left room on his rule for five yet-to-be-discovered radioactive elements. He was probably the most knowledgable dowser of his time. Christopher Hills inherited his lifetime work though a friend along with about 150 other works. Much of it had to be translated into English. Hills complied this info, injected his work on consciousness( he was into yoga, big time), and published it in his bible on dowsing "Supersensonics".

I really don't understand why some people get so upset when I post about dowsing. I find it an absolutely fascinating subject. I wish you would read his book and you would have a much better understanding, even if you don't agree with it. On all the dowsing forums I have yet to see one single post about this wonderful book. I guess most people are intimidated by it. It's definitely college-level material. It's said people fear what they don't understand, and dowsing is no exception. Terms like witchcraft and voodo just go to show this (sort of like me and hypnosis). It's not that way at all and Hills book goes a huge way to show this.
:stars:
I don't think anyone here actually gets "upset" about dowsing. That's because we already have a good rational explanation for this type of pseudoscience. It's called the ideomotor response, and it's well documented by science. Clearly you are reading the wrong books. ;)

[Mike(Mont)]

ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS. Every last one of the posts by you bunch is inflammatory. You direct them them at whomever you can, for whatever reason. Don't worry, I have no intentions of defending dowsing. I don't need to. I admit I cannot understand why anyone would put down Dr. Hills for his magnificent work in dowsing, but I can only assume there is some hidden prejudice, most likely against me. I wear it like a badge of honor.

[Mike(Mont)]

I built a very basic Turenne cage (used a cardboard box) and some neo magnets. I have a magnetic pendulum I got from Al Rossmiller I used for lotto dowsing. I was able to get some resonance over a few numbers. Will try again today and see what happens in tonight's drawing.

The Rossmiller pendulum is a small disc magnet and I'm not sure it will work all that well. A bar magnet is probably better suited so I'll build a different pendulum with one and see if I like it better. Haven't been doing any lotto dowsing lately so I don't know what to expect.

[Theseus]

I built a very basic Turenne cage (used a cardboard box) and some neo magnets. I have a magnetic pendulum I got from Al Rossmiller I used for lotto dowsing. I was able to get some resonance over a few numbers. Will try again today and see what happens in tonight's drawing.

The Rossmiller pendulum is a small disc magnet and I'm not sure it will work all that well. A bar magnet is probably better suited so I'll build a different pendulum with one and see if I like it better. Haven't been doing any lotto dowsing lately so I don't know what to expect.

In order to accurately and realistically evaluate the results of your number dowsing, it is absolutely imperative that you know ahead of time the statistical probability of simply guessing numbers without the aid of your foil covered cardboard box, magnets and Rossmiller pendulum.

Have you calculated those statistical probabilities? ;)

[Mike(Mont)]

Well, I don't know if anyone can accurately determine the odds of guessing a Powerball jackpot and it doesn't matter to me anyway. And don't forget probability is just that--probable, not exact. In the long run the actual results will approach the mathmatical odds, but in the short term anything can happen. That's why 'stupid' people play. Obviously if anyone has a prayer of winning they are going to have to have a huge amount of luck or extreme dowsing ability, or both (in my case much more luck to compensate for lack of ability). No one wins by odds.

[Theseus]

Well, I don't know if anyone can accurately determine the odds of guessing a Powerball jackpot and it doesn't matter to me anyway.

Over the long term of the game, the odds of any lotto can be accurately calculated, and have been. They are published on the internet and on the back of the ticket.

The statistical probability of any random event, like the guessing of lotto numbers, is important to know and if you are not at all interested than neither are you interested in judging your dowsing ability. Saying you don't care about having a yardstick to measure the value of your dowsing says a lot about what you think about dowsing in general and is quite typical.

Most dowsers want nothing to do with tests or measurements of their hobby, and one can only assume that's because they don't want to know the cold hard facts; ---that dowsing produces the same results as ordinary guessing (sometimes a little better and sometimes a little worse, but never statistically better to a measurable degree). :D

[Qiaozhi]

Well, I don't know if anyone can accurately determine the odds of guessing a Powerball jackpot and it doesn't matter to me anyway. And don't forget probability is just that--probable, not exact. In the long run the actual results will approach the mathmatical odds, but in the short term anything can happen. That's why 'stupid' people play. Obviously if anyone has a prayer of winning they are going to have to have a huge amount of luck or extreme dowsing ability, or both (in my case much more luck to compensate for lack of ability). No one wins by odds.
How does extreme dowsing compare to simple ordinary dowsing?
Or is this just a case of any number multiplied by zero being equal to zero?

[Esteban]

How does extreme dowsing compare to simple ordinary dowsing?
Or is this just a case of any number multiplied by zero being equal to zero?

I have a simple question: how do the man in Antiquity for to find water, for example?

The engineer of Babylon found the water for to construct the impressive channels with a stone pendulum. He walk slowly. He sense the difference in terrain in places the water flows because muscle can show small difference in gravity. So, in this particular case difference in gravity can explain. For treasure and othe things... don't know.

[Mike(Mont)]

To be honest, picking lotto numbers is not dowsing, it's more like guessing the future. If you practice enough, you can spot trends but that's about all. Now I'm not saying it is impossible, there are people who picked numbers and won. One guy in Kentucky said he didn't pick the numbers, they picked him. If you study real dowsing you know he was on to it. He was in absolute desperate times and that might have motivated him. I've always said dowsing works best when you really need it.

I understand more about odds than most people. Perfectly random chance is some hypothetical dream, there is no such thing known to man. Mathematics is not reality like most people believe. Many studies have shown that people can influence the outcome. Most people really do not believe this. That's a negative emotion that goes deep into your subconscious and blocks your dowsing faster than anything. I guess some people on this forum get a kick out of sowing the seeds of doubt. The Pope left out that one on his list of mortal sins and it should have been right at the top of his list. List or no list, it's bad Karma.

[Theseus]

Perfectly random chance is some hypothetical dream, there is no such thing known to man.

What is your definition of perfectly random chance? ...that's a new one I've not heard of. Maybe your idea of perfect random chance is flipping a fair coin 1000 times and getting alternating Heads and Tails and exactly 500 of each. No! That is not the outcome you could expect, to see on the average. But the outcome you do get does not negate the fact that flipping a fair coin IS a random chance event.

Mathematics is not reality like most people believe. Many studies have shown that people can influence the outcome.

Site two references describing these studies, the nature of the results and how the results were reviewed and validated.

Most people really do not believe this. That's a negative emotion that goes deep into your subconscious and blocks your dowsing faster than anything. I guess some people on this forum get a kick out of sowing the seeds of doubt.

I think you are confusing basic understanding, rational thinking and acceptance of reality with non-existent ulterior motives. :nono:

[Mike(Mont)]

Esteban, I have used a Y-rod for locating water. I know that the rod will lift for some people and pull down for others. This could be due to the person compensating for the effect. As I was taught, you lift the rod until you feel it lift and from there you can judge how far off in the distance is the water, but when you are directly over the water the rod pulls down. That leads me to believe there is some induction from the earth. Water is easily magnetized. If you are familiar with Maxwell's lightning, running water is quite different from still water. Running water has the vertical (electric) wave. So I'm not sure that gravity is involved but I could be wrong.

There is a lot of evidence that the proteins in the brain fluids play a big part (hydrogen ions). Whales have literally tons of fluid surrounding their brain and it is suspected that there is a resonance that allows them to pick up communication with other whales from thousands of miles away. Meditation, proper breathing, and chanting (resonates the brain fluids) has a similar effect on the human.

[Mike(Mont)]

Esteban, I need to correct tmy last post. When I lift the rod up it pulls down, not up. Also, when a rod is fitted with magnets it will either pull down or lift up depending on which way the magnets are positioned (for vertical wave). What many people don't realize is the electromagnetics works on all objects not just ferrous. You don't need magnets on the rod, it just acts as an amplifier.

[Mike(Mont)]

Well, if I had all the good numbers I picked all on one ticket I would have won $100,000. Would have, could have, should have, didn't. Still got about 150:1 odds and $60 take home pay. Beginner's luck.

[Mike(Mont)]

I don't know if the Turenne cage will help your dowsing. Maybe. What I find most important is to try to feel the resonance, the psychic twinge, even if the rod or pendulum does not respond. Your body needs to be tuned to the neutral green, chromium oxide color. Colors may not seem like they transmit a frequency/wave length, but they do. That's how your brain recognizes the different colors. "..what we see are the interference patterns created within our vibrating consciousness." "Superseeing is seeing beyond the mental movie we make in our minds."

[Max]

:lol:

[Theseus]

:lol:

There really is nothing more that I could add, beyond what you just posted. I think MAD is an understatement. :lol:

[Qiaozhi]

There really is nothing more that I could add, beyond what you just posted. I think MAD is an understatement. :lol:
I rest my case.
Stark raving bonkers! :cool:

[Mike(Mont)]

Must be the moon. It takes on a huge negative charge (on the earth-facing side) when it passes through the earth's magnetosphere three days each side of full moon. I also saw that Jupiter has a huge magentic field that extends past the orbit of Saturn. The Body Magnetic book talks about how Saturn can affect humans. I admit I didn't believe it, but it is starting to make sense now. The field of Jupiter acts as a carrier wave. Other carrier waves include sunlight, eye sight, static, ionic, thought waves, even sound waves, any sort of force field seems to work. Some sort of modulation. I do find the whale's brain fluid interesting, maybe a person could wear some sort of water bag filled with the proper chemicals/ph then apply a vibration to enhance the resonance. No, someone might think I was crazy. :lol:

[Theseus]

What does One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, and this thread have in common?

[Mike(Mont)]

I'm trying to think of a good comeback...Can you do the thorzine shuffle?

[Max]

;)

[Qiaozhi]

I do find the whale's brain fluid interesting, maybe a person could wear some sort of water bag filled with the proper chemicals/ph then apply a vibration to enhance the resonance. No, someone might think I was crazy. :lol:
Is this what you're looking for? :razz:

[Theseus]

By golly, I think you are onto something there, Qiaozhi. What about if Mike were to line a paper sack with aluminum foil (Turenne cage) and then smear the inside of the foil with whale's brain fluid? The best of both worlds.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Qiaozhi]

By golly, I think you are onto something there, Qiaozhi. What about if Mike were to line a paper sack with aluminum foil (Turenne cage) and then smear the inside of the foil with whale's brain fluid? The best of both worlds.

:lol: :lol: :lol:
Nice idea! :barf:

[J_Player]

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