VARIATION OF MORGAN'S PISTOL

[Esteban]

Today I meet with Alonso in his home. He shome this new kind of pistol, based on IR and coil inside. Has the 3 leds but no the type H-H switch. If anybody wants, I can post more pics. First pic shows max. distance for a silver coin. This detect at more short distance iron solid disk and zinc, copper, etc., but gold and silver very more long.

[Esteban]

Corrections

No a silver coin, yes a silver ring.

He shome: He show me

Post a capture screen (Don't wish disturb you with many pics.)

Regards

Esteban

[Morgan]

It looks to have the same sensitivity in fresh silver as the other Pistoldetektor we clone here,ring at 50 cm ,so the same device with more agressive looking....
I want one of these if not very expensive !!!

[Morgan]

I wish Mr.Alonso continue with talent and knolenge,the cientific discoveries. I admire all his work in LRL devices.
Congratulations !!!

[hung]

Hey Esteban,
Nice pics.
I bet he's using the 555 in a monostable infrared configuration.
Ask him please and let me know if he talks.:D
Regards.

[Esteban]

It looks to have the same sensitivity in fresh silver as the other Pistoldetektor we clone here,ring at 50 cm ,so the same device with more agressive looking....
I want one of these if not very expensive !!!

3,000 euros.

[Esteban]

Hey Esteban,
Nice pics.
I bet he's using the 555 in a monostable infrared configuration.
Ask him please and let me know if he talks.:D
Regards.

Don't know if use 555 infrared configuration based on 555. But, yes, here 3 IR diode transmitter.

[Esteban]

At 1.7 m of target

[Morgan]

3,000 euros.
3000 Euro its a lot of money,better i sell the Mineoro first...:rolleyes:
But i think my clone will work ok :D

[roberts]

So they accept euros in South America!!?? Fine!?:oh::oh::oh:
Ne escudos,pescudos or simillar...??? No dollars..??? But euros yeah!!!:razz:


So when you asked him, old man told you at once the price - 3000e!?!?!?!
Very old but not senile ha..?
How come that all the trash you've been advertised so far here is very expensive comparing to real workable metal detectors?
Let me calculate....3000=2000 for old man + 1000 for me E.C. the great advertiser, advocate, lrl trash proponent and photos collector.

For 3000e...at least you could post some trash packed in some nice box. Or you just lost nervs and starting to "hunt" in a mud, looking for fast money?

If that piece of junk detect coin or ring at more than 2-3mm than i will jump from 50. floor of my building, infront of tv cameras, i swear, and i am ready to put some REAL money on this! Like Carl Moreland did in the past and no one of you - frauds, havent "balls" to accept that. So on Carl's $25.000 i will add another $25.000, which makes $50.000 only from me. I'll keep my identity hidden, but i will process money and withesses through my advocates in USA.
So once for all, you small, miserable, southamerican man; stop spreading NONSENCES here any more. GIVE PROOFS OR SHUT UP WITH STUPID NONSENCES AND OBVIOUS LIES!
3.000e.!?!?!? Are you that lunatic? What you showed on your photos is worth bairly...3-5 euros, no more!
Lies and nonsences again and again.
What administrator has to say here?
Ha Carl?
This is what you called democratic ha?
Me to be banned and frauds and liars (same old ) to come here and post **** gain and again.
So ok...do that again Carl. Let me be banned again.
I still do not have neither one reason to be here any more. Not because those are here and posting trash and garbadge but because YOU mr.aDMINISTRATOR are very silent upon this?
You are very silent and constanlty absent?
You let most revuslioned lies to be posted here by same old frauds and liars, month by month...post by post...
Buuuuaaaaakkkk on all this!!!

[Fred]

Hi Roberts
I have made one copy of the PD.It DOES detect a ring at more than 3mm.I can prove it.
Can i have my money please? :razz: I dont want you to jump from 50th floor.Even with a chute...:lol:
Regards,
Fred.

[aft_72005]

Don't know if use 555 infrared configuration based on 555. But, yes, here 3 IR diode transmitter.


Hi Esteban
Please more explain . how can ir system help us find metals ?
Regards.

[roberts]

Hi Roberts
I have made one copy of the PD.It DOES detect a ring at more than 3mm.I can prove it.
Can i have my money please? :razz: I dont want you to jump from 50th floor.Even with a chute...:lol:
Regards,
Fred.

My offer stands for trash from that photo. For your "pd" stands also some offer if you start with lunatic claims here. I dont think you are that type of low level human to start neverending-posting -nonsences-campaign here.
If i had working lrl i would keep it and be very satisfied with it. If i would not share technical details about it i would also keep it and be silent about it. I would never come in public,claim lunatic claims,posting hundreds of VERY IDIOTIC and UGLY and STUPID photos, and argue constantly with other people. On every question or demand, that low human is posting only new imbecille photos. It seems they just contrived photo aparat in that deep, remanent, ugly spot somewhere in undeveloped south America...!?
Must be? Otherwise i dont see why so huge zest with photos!?
So if you are saying what you just said, c'mon open new(clean) thread and start with explanations. I will be there for sure.

[roberts]

Hi Roberts
I have made one copy of the PD.It DOES detect a ring at more than 3mm.I can prove it.
Can i have my money please? :razz: I dont want you to jump from 50th floor.Even with a chute...:lol:
Regards,
Fred.

He,he,he!!!! Notty,notty!!!:nono:
Who told you that i am basejumper? Hah,hah,hah!!!:razz:
I never let that in public!?
You are not bad at all!:nono:
:lol::lol::lol::lol:

[roberts]

It is LONG RANGE JUMPING going on here, man...:D
Best regards from Belgrade tower! Only for you!
:lol:

[J_Player]

Originally posted by Roberts
If that piece of junk detect coin or ring at more than 2-3mm than i will jump from 50. floor of my building, infront of tv cameras, i swear, and i am ready to put some REAL money on this! Like Carl Moreland did in the past and no one of you - frauds, havent "balls" to accept that. So on Carl's $25.000 i will add another $25.000, which makes $50.000 only from me. I'll keep my identity hidden, but i will process money and withesses through my advocates in USA.

Originally posted by Fred
I have made one copy of the PD.It DOES detect a ring at more than 3mm.I can prove it. Can i have my money please? :razz: I dont want you to jump from 50th floor.Even with a chute...:lol:

Originally posted by Roberts
So if you are saying what you just said, c'mon open new(clean) thread and start with explanations. I will be there for sure.
Does this mean we will see Fred's PD detecting a ring at 3mm on youtube? Will we see Roberts send $25,000 to Fred? :oh:

Best wishes,
J_P

[roberts]

Like proofs - like money...
If he stand up his claims upon some funny video or photo....than i will send him money also by youtube!:lol::lol::lol:

3mm stands for that ugly,ignorant toy form photos. For you stands another offer; cose i know you are not stupid, you know how to disturb radio reception with a piece of metal at 3-4cm...:nono::nono::nono: You - yes, "They" - no!:lol::lol::lol:
So for you i can stand with serious money only if you offer serious project here - working project, with documentation and explanations, technical details and repeatable claims.
Deal?

[J_Player]

So for you i can stand with serious money only if you offer serious project here - working project, with documentation and explanations, technical details and repeatable claims.
Deal?
OK, deal.
When I have a serious project that will detect long range to show, I will take your offer for serious money. :thumb:

But for now, I have no serious project I can show to work :(.
So I will wait for the time when I have a serious project that I can put construction details for any electronics builder to build and find the same repeatable performance.

Best wishes,
J_P

[roberts]

OK, deal.
When I have a serious project that will detect long range to show, I will take your offer for serious money. :thumb:

But for now, I have no serious project I can show to work :(.
So I will wait for the time when I have a serious project that I can put construction details for any electronics builder to build and find the same repeatable performance.

Best wishes,
J_P

Ehh, i refered that to Fred, although...no problem, everybody invited here!
Condition would be REAL LONG RANGE LOCATING an metalic item with defined size.
If we take a single coin than i will be satisfied to see longer detection distance with that LRL than first deepest VLF on market...let's say White's DFX, for example. So it further means some 40-50cm on single coin, at least!
This is main condition. First to be detected in air and second to be detected burried and covered with soil at 70% of air distance. Fair? Fair enough!
Second , device claimed to be LRL must BE LRL, not some "masked" DFX or Minelab or something simillar. Witnesses must check device and its composition skimly. What LRL? The same one "they" always claimed; radio IR,AM/FM,IF,MFM,Pseudo,Feriterod,ionic chamber,ultraviolet etc.etc. and God only know what else principle, BUT NOT classic PI, IB or BFO metal detector principle!
So.....there is a deal...
Like in the past, those miserable liers will :
1) Complain to administrator on my posts and provocations,
2) Stay off posting for a while,
3) After a while continue to polute this forum with brand new rubbish, same
lies and frauds but new names and labels...

So i dont really expect this to become serious. I rather expect administrator to step on their ("democratic") side again, like he did in the past.
Besides..my job here is already done!
I told to world who are mindless,illiterate ignorants, miserable so called human s....
I am spreading this story arround the net, on every forum. I do expect other sane mebers here to do the same. We should fight against evil....evil we met here!
Good bye!

[J_Player]

Ehh, i refered that to Fred, although...no problem, everybody invited here!
Condition would be REAL LONG RANGE LOCATING an metalic item with defined size.
If we take a single coin than i will be satisfied to see longer detection distance with that LRL than first deepest VLF on market...let's say White's DFX, for example. So it further means some 40-50cm on single coin, at least!
This is main condition. First to be detected in air and second to be detected burried and covered with soil at 70% of air distance. Fair? Fair enough!
Second , device claimed to be LRL must BE LRL, not some "masked" DFX or Minelab or something simillar. Witnesses must check device and its composition skimly. What LRL? The same one "they" always claimed; radio IR,AM/FM,IF,MFM,Pseudo,Feriterod,ionic chamber,ultraviolet etc.etc. and God only know what else principle, BUT NOT classic PI, IB or BFO metal detector principle!
So.....there is a deal...
Like in the past, those miserable liers will :
1) Complain to administrator on my posts and provocations,
2) Stay off posting for a while,
3) After a while continue to polute this forum with brand new rubbish, same
lies and frauds but new names and labels...Ok except I have one question: If we build a detector that can find longer range than a metal detector, then why must the LRL not have the parts found in a metal detector?

Suppose I build a PI detector or a VLF that will locate a buried coin at 20 feet distance. Isn't this also a LRL? As long as I show complete instructions how anyone else can get the same performance, doesn't this convince you that this PI or VLF detector has been converted into a real working LRL?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Geo]

For me a LRL is every device that can detect a buried coin at 5m+ minimum. I have not problem about the working principle.
But where is this device:(:lol:

Regards:)

[Fred]

All OK Robert. ;)

I think detection principle is irrelevant too, as long as range is OK.

When i have one working detector, i send it to you.For free.
Then you send me the $25.000 :lol:

See you!

Fred.

[J_Player]

When i have one working detector, i send it to you.For free.
Then you send me the $25.000 :lol:Better idea: Roberts send you the $25,000 for free. Then you send him the working detector. :rolleyes:

Best wishes,
J_P

[Esteban]

Sorry for this sad guy.

[Morgan]

So they accept euros in South America!!?? Fine!?:oh::oh::oh:
Ne escudos,pescudos or simillar...??? No dollars..??? But euros yeah!!!:razz:


So when you asked him, old man told you at once the price - 3000e!?!?!?!
Very old but not senile ha..?
How come that all the trash you've been advertised so far here is very expensive comparing to real workable metal detectors?
Let me calculate....3000=2000 for old man + 1000 for me E.C. the great advertiser, advocate, lrl trash proponent and photos collector.

For 3000e...at least you could post some trash packed in some nice box. Or you just lost nervs and starting to "hunt" in a mud, looking for fast money?

If that piece of junk detect coin or ring at more than 2-3mm than i will jump from 50. floor of my building, infront of tv cameras, i swear, and i am ready to put some REAL money on this! Like Carl Moreland did in the past and no one of you - frauds, havent "balls" to accept that. So on Carl's $25.000 i will add another $25.000, which makes $50.000 only from me. I'll keep my identity hidden, but i will process money and withesses through my advocates in USA.
So once for all, you small, miserable, southamerican man; stop spreading NONSENCES here any more. GIVE PROOFS OR SHUT UP WITH STUPID NONSENCES AND OBVIOUS LIES!
3.000e.!?!?!? Are you that lunatic? What you showed on your photos is worth bairly...3-5 euros, no more!
Lies and nonsences again and again.
What administrator has to say here?
Ha Carl?
This is what you called democratic ha?
Me to be banned and frauds and liars (same old ) to come here and post **** gain and again.
So ok...do that again Carl. Let me be banned again.
I still do not have neither one reason to be here any more. Not because those are here and posting trash and garbadge but because YOU mr.aDMINISTRATOR are very silent upon this?
You are very silent and constanlty absent?
You let most revuslioned lies to be posted here by same old frauds and liars, month by month...post by post...
Buuuuaaaaakkkk on all this!!!
Hello Roberts

All your words as no sense are absolut nonsense about Alonso and Esteban,but i agree with you only about MINEORO CRAPPPPPPP !!!!!!!!
And,yes this time Alonso go to far,this device its to expensive,acording that i only spent 15 Euro in electrical components for my Pistoldetektor...:angry:

[Max]

Hello Roberts

All your words as no sense are absolut nonsense about Alonso and Esteban,but i agree with you only about MINEORO CRAPPPPPPP !!!!!!!!
And,yes this time Alonso go to far,this device its to expensive,acording that i only spent 15 Euro in electrical components for my Pistoldetektor...:angry:

Hi Morgan,
you posted that you can detect a 10eur cent coin and a small gold ring at 50cm in the air with PD, right ?
But you can just detect them at such great distance outside home, right ?

Please confirm or correct my previous assertions.

Now... if Andreas cannot detect a small coin at similar distance there's possibility that he cannot do that cause maybe tested inside home/lab, with metallic stuff all around.

Could be that way ? What do you think ?

Kind regards,
Max

[Morgan]

Hi Morgan,
you posted that you can detect a 10eur cent coin and a small gold ring at 50cm in the air with PD, right ?
But you can just detect them at such great distance outside home, right ?

Please confirm or correct my previous assertions.

Now... if Andreas cannot detect a small coin at similar distance there's possibility that he cannot do that cause maybe tested inside home/lab, with metallic stuff all around.

Could be that way ? What do you think ?

Kind regards,
Max
Hello Max

Of course this tests was made out side home with no metals near the coil,and to get this results device must be with sensitivity in the limit(you must remember the teknik to do this) or you only get 30 cm air test with 10 cent...

regards

[roberts]

Hello Max

Of course this tests was made out side home with no metals near the coil,and to get this results device must be with sensitivity in the limit(you must remember the teknik to do this) or you only get 30 cm air test with 10 cent...

regards

Morgan..."only" 30cm on 10 cents is also great result.
Thanks God you didnt came here with "hudreds of feet". "miles...".
So i must be missing something here?
"Your device"...??? Where it is? Where is schematic? Pcb? Explanation?
Is that in restricted area? Only for (all) members, except Roberts?! :lol::lol::lol:
You know, without full posted project i simply can not accept even your
pretty modest and sane "30cm"....
So...poste it here not restricted or .....?:nono:

[Max]

Morgan..."only" 30cm on 10 cents is also great result.
Thanks God you didnt came here with "hudreds of feet". "miles...".
So i must be missing something here?
"Your device"...??? Where it is? Where is schematic? Pcb? Explanation?
Is that in restricted area? Only for (all) members, except Roberts?! :lol::lol::lol:
You know, without full posted project i simply can not accept even your
pretty modest and sane "30cm"....
So...poste it here not restricted or .....?:nono:

Hi,
Morgan posted already pictures of device, don't you remember ?

That was in public area, Mineoro thread... with all that photos of the thing...

Now even 30cm is very interesting result on the air for such small coin and small device. But he told us (again in public area) that device actually work on medium range (some meters) for long time buried e.g. aluminium.

look at thread "Mineoro 2-Box -- 492 feet range? ".

About schematic... I've posted whole thing on that public thread too... just look for it. The coils are missing cause I have no sure data on these.

But schematics seems have sense for some things.

Look at it now, I repost original version just for you ...contains errors but I was drunk when I made that! :D
Enjoy !

Kind regards,
Max

[roberts]

Thanks!
I missed that and many other things due my often bussiness trips abroad.
In a week i am leaving again...:angry::angry::angry:
Enough time to analyze this and say if have something to say:razz:
Regards and Thanks!

[roberts]

Just checked...i remember it now!
Ok.

[Morgan]

Sorry for this sad guy.
Hi Esteban

In the photo of new Alonso´s LRL device ,we can read VCA Electronica.
what is this,its some particular factory,or Alonso start making this devices with registrated patent?

Regards

[Esteban]

Ehh, i refered that to Fred, although...no problem, everybody invited here!
Condition would be REAL LONG RANGE LOCATING an metalic item with defined size.
If we take a single coin than i will be satisfied to see longer detection distance with that LRL than first deepest VLF on market...let's say White's DFX, for example. So it further means some 40-50cm on single coin, at least!
This is main condition. First to be detected in air and second to be detected burried and covered with soil at 70% of air distance. Fair? Fair enough!
Second , device claimed to be LRL must BE LRL, not some "masked" DFX or Minelab or something simillar. Witnesses must check device and its composition skimly. What LRL? The same one "they" always claimed; radio IR,AM/FM,IF,MFM,Pseudo,Feriterod,ionic chamber,ultraviolet etc.etc. and God only know what else principle, BUT NOT classic PI, IB or BFO metal detector principle!
So.....there is a deal...
Like in the past, those miserable liers will :
1) Complain to administrator on my posts and provocations,
2) Stay off posting for a while,
3) After a while continue to polute this forum with brand new rubbish, same
lies and frauds but new names and labels...

So i dont really expect this to become serious. I rather expect administrator to step on their ("democratic") side again, like he did in the past.
Besides..my job here is already done!
I told to world who are mindless,illiterate ignorants, miserable so called human s....
I am spreading this story arround the net, on every forum. I do expect other sane mebers here to do the same. We should fight against evil....evil we met here!
Good bye!

Ah!!! The new directions in wich systems can't based electronic LRL!!! This is real progress!!!

I remember you lose the compass when you start talking about Shakira (uhh!!!), Santana, etc., in a lunatic thread (deleted, of course), "I'm bad, I'm nationwide"...

Admin has prerrogative for to banned any guy out of focus.

Regards

Esteban

[Esteban]

Thanks!
I missed that and many other things due my often bussiness trips abroad.
In a week i am leaving again...:angry::angry::angry:
Enough time to analyze this and say if have something to say:razz:
Regards and Thanks!

Ehhh!!! :eek::eek::eek:

To say, yes, but analize... hummm!!!:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Esteban]

So they accept euros in South America!!?? Fine!?:oh::oh::oh:
Ne escudos,pescudos or simillar...??? No dollars..??? But euros yeah!!!:razz:


So when you asked him, old man told you at once the price - 3000e!?!?!?!
Very old but not senile ha..?
How come that all the trash you've been advertised so far here is very expensive comparing to real workable metal detectors?
Let me calculate....3000=2000 for old man + 1000 for me E.C. the great advertiser, advocate, lrl trash proponent and photos collector.

For 3000e...at least you could post some trash packed in some nice box. Or you just lost nervs and starting to "hunt" in a mud, looking for fast money?

If that piece of junk detect coin or ring at more than 2-3mm than i will jump from 50. floor of my building, infront of tv cameras, i swear, and i am ready to put some REAL money on this! Like Carl Moreland did in the past and no one of you - frauds, havent "balls" to accept that. So on Carl's $25.000 i will add another $25.000, which makes $50.000 only from me. I'll keep my identity hidden, but i will process money and withesses through my advocates in USA.
So once for all, you small, miserable, southamerican man; stop spreading NONSENCES here any more. GIVE PROOFS OR SHUT UP WITH STUPID NONSENCES AND OBVIOUS LIES!
3.000e.!?!?!? Are you that lunatic? What you showed on your photos is worth bairly...3-5 euros, no more!
Lies and nonsences again and again.
What administrator has to say here?
Ha Carl?
This is what you called democratic ha?
Me to be banned and frauds and liars (same old ) to come here and post **** gain and again.
So ok...do that again Carl. Let me be banned again.
I still do not have neither one reason to be here any more. Not because those are here and posting trash and garbadge but because YOU mr.aDMINISTRATOR are very silent upon this?
You are very silent and constanlty absent?
You let most revuslioned lies to be posted here by same old frauds and liars, month by month...post by post...
Buuuuaaaaakkkk on all this!!!

Real proof how this guy is out of focus, again!!! Lose the compass...

[aft_72005]

Hi Esteban
Please more explain . how can ir system help us find metals ?
Regards.



Hi all
Again, my question.
Regars.

[roberts]

You just can't live without me?? Ha?
You can't spend neither one day without me?
Whenever i decide to leave this, you show and "ask" me to come back here!?:razz:

Things here could not be much simplier Esteban; you only need to show some real stuff here, at least for once!
Every time other here start asking you a proofs, you disapear for a while and come back with brand new photos and brand new unprovable claims.
You escaped all queastions from other thread and came here with new device...3000e!
Ok, proove that it is worth of 3000e or....shut the f.u.c.k. UP! Once for all!:lol:
You just keep asking for my attention, i will be here for you constantly!:lol:

On every your new idiotic post with idiotic photos, i will be here to laugh on those constantly!
Guess what?
I am not the only one here any more!:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[roberts]

Hi all
Again, my question.
Regars.


Friend, you have to repeat that 1000 times more. He cant give here answers simply he doesnt have answers...:lol::lol::D:D

[roberts]

Just because Max is here, interested in this subject and very imoprtant that Morgan is also here with his claims - but very modest and calm claims, i decided to pay full attention on this schematic. I will analyze it. And i will try to form some sort of objective opinion on this. I wil be fair. I will admit if turns that it is workable as Morgan said.For the first time here i will not reject this idea as nonsence. But just because Morgans attitude here looks more sane and descent than others lrl'sts in the past.
Morgan give me few days and i will come here with opinion.
You could help here more if can provide at least some closer details on coils used here.
Regards

[Fred]

... I will analyze it. And i will try to form some sort of objective opinion on this. I wil be fair. I will admit if turns that it is workable as Morgan said.For the first time here i will not reject this idea as nonsence. But just because Morgans attitude here looks more sane and descent than others lrl'sts in the past....You could help here more if can provide at least some closer details on coils used here.
Regards
Hi Robert,
There is several persons interested in this subject.And coils are still the big question.
But the trick is what is to be detected.That is the question...
regards,
Fred.

[roberts]

Agree. But to know that, we must first analyze it properly. First things comes first.
Ok, diodes here bugging me a lot! Are you sure on their right orientation?
It is quite obvious why gremanium diodes must be used here. I would suggest AA119 here.
But their present orientation are confusing me!
Are you sure on this?

[roberts]

Ok skim look on this tells me that coils are fully resonant.Must be tuned critically.
There are rx and tx parts directly coupled. I have been seen something simillar in the past
only cant remember exactly where?
I guess this part (middle of schematic) is taken from some old md bfo project.Probably from those in patents database.
Should search trough databases to find exact match. Designer, here used simpliest possible bfo approach and
added sort of direct receiver (down part of schematic).
So it seems receiver is able to pick only eventuall differences in balance occured in metal vicinity.
I guess this will somehow "detect" some metal. Logically metal in coil vicinity will slitly disturb
balance. But i still do not see great benefits from this?
This will indeed react only at very short distances. Maybe 10-20cm on larger metal items...maybe.
Why added direct receiver while classic bfo md has already possibility to indicate balance disturbances?
I dont have a clue? I guess designer experimented just to see results, without much of idea.
Also, we have here two "received" signals - two informations (very rough).
The one from RX coil and the one from ferrite rod direct receiver.
Ok principle here is almost understandable. But what benefits from this one?
I dont see quite benefits at all.
I'll repeat, this will "react" only at very short distances.
It is to early to make some conclusions.These were my preliminary observations. I could be wrong.
So for now i will stop saying anything and return to analyze.
I am not bugging myself here with distances. I am sure those are very low. Just want to examine
this design full and decide if it is usefull or not.
So far it looks just as pretty rough and obsolete approach,taken from some old patent from early XX century.
This will continue...

[Fred]

Nice work ! keep going!

Yes you are right about diodes.
Anyway this ferrite circuit seems to be disconnected when the detector is in normal operation.but there is many doubts about the switch connection.
regards,
Fred.

[J_Player]

There are rx and tx parts directly coupled. I have been seen something simillar in the past only cant remember exactly where?
I guess this part (middle of schematic) is taken from some old md bfo project.Probably from those in patents database.
Should search trough databases to find exact match. Designer, here used simpliest possible bfo approach and added sort of direct receiver (down part of schematic).
So it seems receiver is able to pick only eventuall differences in balance occured in metal vicinity.
I guess this will somehow "detect" some metal. Logically metal in coil vicinity will slitly disturb
balance....
So far it looks just as pretty rough and obsolete approach,taken from some old patent from early XX century.
This will continue...Hi Roberts,
Excellent observations! Please continue. It will be interesting to hear your ideas about the two separate detection curcuits.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Esteban]

You just can't live without me?? Ha?
You can't spend neither one day without me?
Whenever i decide to leave this, you show and "ask" me to come back here!?:razz:

Things here could not be much simplier Esteban; you only need to show some real stuff here, at least for once!
Every time other here start asking you a proofs, you disapear for a while and come back with brand new photos and brand new unprovable claims.
You escaped all queastions from other thread and came here with new device...3000e!
Ok, proove that it is worth of 3000e or....shut the f.u.c.k. UP! Once for all!:lol:
You just keep asking for my attention, i will be here for you constantly!:lol:

On every your new idiotic post with idiotic photos, i will be here to laugh on those constantly!
Guess what?
I am not the only one here any more!:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

I'll return always you post bad reference about me, so be you alert, I'm very persistent.

If somebody can do in undeveloped South America and this disturb your understanding, so, manage this not under cheap prejudices.

Regards

Esteban

[Esteban]

Friend, you have to repeat that 1000 times more. He cant give here answers simply he doesnt have answers...:lol::lol::D:D

Just I repeat how 1,000 times.

Regards

Esteban

[roberts]

"It will be interesting to hear your ideas about the two separate detection curcuits.."

It is quite question. I guess only original designer knows right answer.
My presumption would be that second reciver - direct receiver with ferrite rod, actually have unusuall role here. If those coils are fully resonant, than weak signals would not be enough to disturb balance. Therefore some extra "disturbing factor" must be added in overall circuitry - i guess direct receiver is there cose of that..But than again, if i am right, why using fully resonant coils???

[Fred]

"It will be interesting to hear your ideas about the two separate detection curcuits.."

It is quite question. I guess only original designer knows right answer.
My presumption would be that second reciver - direct receiver with ferrite rod, actually have unusuall role here. If those coils are fully resonant, than weak signals would not be enough to disturb balance. Therefore some extra "disturbing factor" must be added in overall circuitry - i guess direct receiver is there cose of that..But than again, if i am right, why using fully resonant coils???
There is two coils on two ferrites cores in the same axis separated by a "crititically adjusted" gap.I am not sure if both coils are wound on the same core or not.
regards,
Fred.

[roberts]

There is two coils on two ferrites cores in the same axis separated by a "crititically adjusted" gap.I am not sure if both coils are wound on the same core or not.
regards,
Fred.

Oh yes!? I havent spotted that!?
But if was like that, still i dont see reason for making gap between "active" and "passive" core? Making a gap will cut out induction which supposed to flow through cores. Cores are generally used to improve induction, to boost it not to stop it.
That particular stage is actually a big question. The rest of schematic is pretty clear.
I still think that stage was added in existed design by experiment.
When experimenting, discovering new things, man can easilly do some things pretty wild, without following previosuly planed routes.
It is so hard for me to make guesses here without having device and measure
some values in vivo.
According to what i do know, direct receiver will receive raw signal produced in its vicinity. In this case, eventual distant signal will be absolute masked by field produced in coils, if coils and ferite rod are close.
I still dont have a clue how coils and rod are oriented?
I remeber once Ivconic and me argued about ULF and its eventual use in lrl.
I can give a hint here (once gave to Ivconic) how to make very efficient ULF antenna, in manner to suggest you to replace existing ferrite rod antena with new one and than see changes;
well...
take 12 ordinary ferrite rods, 100mm x 8-10mm. Glue those togather and make one fat rod, 20cm long and 6x1 rod fat.
Wound 600 windings 0.2mm wire, isolate it very good, wound 450 over those 600 and isolate again. You will have 4 ends. End of 600 and start of 450 solder togather and you will have 3 wires than. Use it instead this one and see changes.


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[Fred]

Hi Robert,
All info about ferrite is in the "...492 feet" thread.
Anyway by adjusting the gap you can slightly change permeablility, thus
frequency.Maybe you could get them in antiphase and obtain a perfect null?

Robert, i cannot understand you: in precedent messages you told us making an antenna for VLF would take thousands of meters of wire, now you give the recipe to make one , and more, a good one ,small enough for our purpose ??? ;) :lol:
Regards,
Fred.

[Esteban]

Hi Robert,
All info about ferrite is in the "...492 feet" thread.
Anyway by adjusting the gap you can slightly change permeablility, thus
frequency.Maybe you could get them in antiphase and obtain a perfect null?

Robert, i cannot understand you: in precedent messages you told us making an antenna for VLF would take thousands of meters of wire, now you give the recipe to make one , and more, a good one ,small enough for our purpose ??? ;) :lol:
Regards,
Fred.

Of course, you tune at 455 or 500 Khz with light and few wire and some picofarads... Tune is a thing, wave length is another thing. With his philosophy, you will need tons of wire for to tune at 12 Khz a metal detector...:lol:

[roberts]

Both of you;
just as i didnt read "492..." thread, since a most of the posts there are to anoying, same was with you - you didnt read carefully my posts.
Either you didnt cared to read and understand my posts, either i didnt sayed it on proper way. It is to anoying now, me to list all the pages and look for some sentences. Also it is anoying me to explain here about "electrical" and material lenght of an antenna. Why should i explain here this? What should be my motif?? Whatever i do, jokes like esteban will always come here to negate my claims without proper reading at all and without elementar understanding of anything i could say here. I suggested to some people to return to learn basics, didnt i?
So if you want to accept my hint - fine. If you dont - fine also.
With that gap..how you just explained...nothing will be adjusted - NOTHING.
Totall nonsence! Frequency...????? WHAT A NONSENCE !?!?!?
Only ignorants like esteban can come here a say such huge nonsence!!!

[Fred]

Both of you;
just as i didnt read "492..." thread, since a most of the posts there are to anoying, same was with you - you didnt read carefully my posts.
Either you didnt cared to read and understand my posts, either i didnt sayed it on proper way. It is to anoying now, me to list all the pages and look for some sentences. Also it is anoying me to explain here about "electrical" and material lenght of an antenna. Why should i explain here this? What should be my motif?? Whatever i do, jokes like esteban will always come here to negate my claims without proper reading at all and without elementar understanding of anything i could say here. I suggested to some people to return to learn basics, didnt i?
So if you want to accept my hint - fine. If you dont - fine also.
With that gap..how you just explained...nothing will be adjusted - NOTHING.
Totall nonsence! Frequency...????? WHAT A NONSENCE !?!?!?
Only ignorants like esteban can come here a say such huge nonsence!!!
Robert,you are again going back to your bad habits.:)
Just forget Esteban post if you are smart enought, you both are just doing that from the beginning.This is not constructive.You should be both used to it by now :rolleyes:
About the ferrite stuff, no i didnt understand why you talked about thouthands of meters of wire,anyway it is not so important, as i posted there i already know an antena can be buit for any frequency with any size.
(You should be abe to accept critics, this is a signal of intelligence :razz: )

And coming back to our circuit , yes if you change gap you will slightly change permeability and consequently frequency of oscillation.
Now, if by doing this you can achieve a good nulling i am not sure .YOU should be able to tell.
Hope you will keep going with the circuit interpretation.
Regards,
Fred.

[Fred]

Not exactly RS related , but an interesting document about diferent tecnhologies and much more:
http://www.itep.ws/pdf/metal_detector_handbook.pdf
(3Mb)
Regards,
Fred.

[michael]

Hi ,
Thanks a lot Fred for the link, I was looking for this so much. You made a favor man.:):):):shocked::shocked:

[roberts]

Listen, some things are not to be generalized, the way usually laics do. And i ment mostly on Esteban's way. Now, this time i am serious, i do not mean to provoke Esteban with this or to say he is ignorant. This time i am very serious and like to point on usuall Esteban's generalization and simplification of some things, he probably saw or heared somewhere or loearned on wrong way.
Ok Esteban, you also, if you want to be constructive than do not feel offended with this, you simply can not generalize all the things here.
If you saw somewhere in some radio an RF choke with ferrite core screwable and it was used to fine redjust some frequency - this doesnt mean EVERY possible ferrite core have same function. No, not at all. RF chokes with ferrite screw inside usually do have simillar function, mostly to adjust small coil to be resonant on some incoming/outgoing signal. Best example would be TOKO type cores for AM/FM etc.etc. Yes in these cases man can usually adjust some frequency with those.
But using plain ferrite rod as sort of antenna with resonant coil wounded over it is quite another case. Moving core more in/out of windings doesnt automatically mean you gonna readjust some frequency. Mostly it means adjusting level of induction - amplitude of induced current.
So i would rather say; if that gap makes any sence than its role should be to adjust amplitude of induced (in this case received) signal from nearby coil. Is it nearby? I really dont know? I havent seen orientations yet. But logically i am presuming ferrite rod must be in some logical conjuction with other coils?
Otherwise i really do not understand rod's role at all here?
So let;s say i guessed right; operater can adjust amplitude by dealing with gap. Ok.

[roberts]

About wavelengths, antennas...etc.etc..
Theoretically antena with zero lost is antena with ideal Q factor. Antena with ideal Q factor is usually fulllenght antena. (Now i am generalizing here:angry: but ,when talking to laics man have to become laic).
So if you want 100% efficient antena you better use full lenght antena. Not possible in these purposes. So logically Esteban is right, in this purpose antena must be much shorter than physical wavelength.
Taking any turns for any frequency will result in catastrofic reception. So some rule must be respected.
If you remeber i suggested 455kHz receiver design earlier!? Do you?
You know why? Just because i wanted to make your (and my) life much less complicated in future when design step in practical phase. Instead discovering "hot water", i would further sugest just ordinary ferrite rod antena taken form some scraped radio....simple as that.
But no...my suggestion was never accepted properly, just cose same reasons as here...smart asses usually do not read and try to understand but usually listen only own voice and read own words...others...who cares??
You must understand me, it is damn hard for me to be at same level of thinking with you (again i am not trying to offend). But those are elementar and real basics....you have to learn at least that to be able to understand further things...Without that elementary knowledge you are wasting my time here (reffered to Esteban mostly).

[Esteban]

About wavelengths, antennas...etc.etc..
Theoretically antena with zero lost is antena with ideal Q factor. Antena with ideal Q factor is usually fulllenght antena. (Now i am generalizing here:angry: but ,when talking to laics man have to become laic).
So if you want 100% efficient antena you better use full lenght antena. Not possible in these purposes. So logically Esteban is right, in this purpose antena must be much shorter than physical wavelength.
Taking any turns for any frequency will result in catastrofic reception. So some rule must be respected.
If you remeber i suggested 455kHz receiver design earlier!? Do you?
You know why? Just because i wanted to make your (and my) life much less complicated in future when design step in practical phase. Instead discovering "hot water", i would further sugest just ordinary ferrite rod antena taken form some scraped radio....simple as that.
But no...my suggestion was never accepted properly, just cose same reasons as here...smart asses usually do not read and try to understand but usually listen only own voice and read own words...others...who cares??
You must understand me, it is damn hard for me to be at same level of thinking with you (again i am not trying to offend). But those are elementar and real basics....you have to learn at least that to be able to understand further things...Without that elementary knowledge you are wasting my time here (reffered to Esteban mostly).

Thanks professor!!! I'll follow your advices!!! :lol:

[Fred]

Robert,
You think you are so smarter than everybody that you stopped learning long time ago .But evolution continues around you,carefull or you will become a fossile.
Don´t be offended, it´s a frienldy advice.
And it´s the last one, it´s so hard to pull me up to your level to write to you that i´m definitevely exhausted already.:razz:

Fred.

[roberts]

Robert,
You think you are so smarter than everybody that you stopped learning long time ago .But evolution continues around you,carefull or you will become a fossile.
Don´t be offended, it´s a frienldy advice.
And it´s the last one, it´s so hard to pull me up to your level to write to you that i´m definitevely exhausted already.:razz:

Fred.


Oooh! Does it look like i am???
Of course i dont think i am smarter than everybody!!!! Of course i am NOT!
I do radio for living, therefore i do expect to know more than ordinary electronic enthusiast. Other hand i dont know much about other electronics.
I stopped learning....well yes, you are almost right here. Not because i learned all, but because my everyday routine left not time for learning new things oftenly. Besides....after 20-30 years i feel a bit tired of all.
You exhausted...??? From what?
But you are not exhausted from wathching funny photos here and reading funny, lunatic claims, about detecting item at "492 feet..." coin at 8 to 40 meters....what was else??? Help me? I cant even remeber all the nonsences posted here!?:oh:
Am i tired of "fighting" here with lrl proponents evryday? No i am not! It is a sort of hobby for me! Habbit! Everyday routine also!Amusing! Adiction!

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Think what ever you want to think. How can i stop you doing that? No way!
Arguing with Esteban here is relaxing hobby for me. Thanks a lot Esteban, for giving me such a pleasure!

So,so....finally all masks droped! Ego is point here! Not real knowledge! Ha!
I have to admit - am a bit disapointed..:frown::frown::frown:

[Fred]

Hi Robert,
:lol::lol:
You take everything too seriously!
Can´t you see when i am ironical ? come on, ego thing? :lol:
I have the knowledge that i have and you have yours.I wish i could know more,everytime a want to learn more.the more i learn the less i seem to know.When i don´t know something i have no shame in asking or else i will never learn more...born in 61,you´re older than i am :lol::lol::razz:
We should go back to the ferrite circuit: BTW, there is no oscillator there, did you notice ? ;)
Yes, i´m ironical again.that´s me...
regards!,
Fred.

[roberts]

Hi Robert,
:lol::lol:
You take everything too seriously!
Can´t you see when i am ironical ? come on, ego thing? :lol:
I have the knowledge that i have and you have yours.I wish i could know more,everytime a want to learn more.the more i learn the less i seem to know.When i don´t know something i have no shame in asking or else i will never learn more...born in 61,you´re older than i am :lol::lol::razz:
We should go back to the ferrite circuit: BTW, there is no oscillator there, did you notice ? ;)
Yes, i´m ironical again.that´s me...
regards!,
Fred.

Because it is used as "back-up" receiver or direct reciver ( as i named it earlier). It's role is to "sniff" some signal and comutate it with rx part of coil.
Again assuming.

Yes i am older, '65 !!!:lol::lol::lol: Do i look older?
I am tired for sure! All my life i've being doing something, without a rest. That's maybe why you got impression i was much older..?!
At age 43, i think is time , me to take long holliday from this things! Money is saved...so Hawai, here i go!
Chicks wait for me!
Oooh! I shouldnt say my real age! Esteban will torture me even harder, knowing that i am much younger than he is!:razz::razz::razz:

[Fred]

Chicks wait for me!
Go for it! And bring pictures back :p
Oooh! I shouldnt say my real age!
Yeah, right :rolleyes:

:razz:
Fred.

[J_Player]

At age 43, i think is time , me to take long holliday from this things! Money is saved...so Hawai, here i go!Hawaii ? :shocked:... You spend your holiday in Hawaii when you could go to Brazil south of Rio to visit the Mineoro factory? There's millions of hot chicks in the world, but there's only one Mineoro factory. Just think, you could meet the Mineoro factory workers and they will give you a live demonstration of the Mineoro LRL finding treasure right in front of your eyes! :eek: You can take photos to see them dig up the treasure, you can even hold the shovel in your hand! This is a once in a lifetime opportunity. If you make an appointment in advance, maybe even Damasio and Alonso will meet you to show you their finest treasure machines.

When you are done for the day counting your treasure and polishing your gold statues, they have fantastic food there. And the hot chicks at the Brazil beaches are the most beautiful in the world. Just be careful avoid Copacabana beach unless you're prepared.

You really sure you want to go to Hawaii?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Max]

Agree. But to know that, we must first analyze it properly. First things comes first.
Ok, diodes here bugging me a lot! Are you sure on their right orientation?
It is quite obvious why gremanium diodes must be used here. I would suggest AA119 here.
But their present orientation are confusing me!
Are you sure on this?

Hi Robert,
why do you think is wrong ? To me seems ok.

Of course, I'm not sure of original components markings... if for example the color band is anode instead of catode (sometime happens with old stuff) but seems to me just a common voltage doubler there.

If you use AA119 you sure will find them still today and about easy in some shops...and are about the same stuff... the 1N60 is really obsolete thing now (maybe from year 1950 ?). ;)

Anyway... let me know your thoughts about.

Kind regards,
Max

[Max]

Nice work ! keep going!

Yes you are right about diodes.
Anyway this ferrite circuit seems to be disconnected when the detector is in normal operation.but there is many doubts about the switch connection.
regards,
Fred.

Hi Fred,
also you think that diodes must be reversed ? Why ?

If you reverse them you'll get same effect with 180° turn on phase at transistor base.

Am I wrong?

Kind regards,
Max

[Fred]

Hi Fred,
also you think that diodes must be reversed ? Why ?Max

Hi,
Maybe i made some confusion about Robert diagrams, i didn´t verified and assumed the right side one is the corrected one.
I cannot think straight lately :frown:
regards,
Fred.

[Max]

Because it is used as "back-up" receiver or direct reciver ( as i named it earlier). It's role is to "sniff" some signal and comutate it with rx part of coil.
Again assuming.

Yes i am older, '65 !!!:lol::lol::lol: Do i look older?
I am tired for sure! All my life i've being doing something, without a rest. That's maybe why you got impression i was much older..?!
At age 43, i think is time , me to take long holliday from this things! Money is saved...so Hawai, here i go!
Chicks wait for me!
Oooh! I shouldnt say my real age! Esteban will torture me even harder, knowing that i am much younger than he is!:razz::razz::razz:

That's why I'll never write here my real age ! :lol:
Maybe the age of 1N60 diodes there... is double or more my actual age! :razz:

But what's really important is "menthal" age: I know of people of 18years that seems already boiled by age like old elctrolitic capacitors :D (but actually cause of other stuff... like abuse of PS2/PS3 and other things :cool:) and of someone 65/68years old still really smart and fast thinking ! Lifestyle can give incredibly different results on this. ;)

Kind regards,
Max

[Max]

Hawaii ? :shocked:... You spend your holiday in Hawaii when you could go to Brazil south of Rio to visit the Mineoro factory? There's millions of hot chicks in the world, but there's only one Mineoro factory. Just think, you could meet the Mineoro factory workers and they will give you a live demonstration of the Mineoro LRL finding treasure right in front of your eyes! :eek: You can take photos to see them dig up the treasure, you can even hold the shovel in your hand! This is a once in a lifetime opportunity. If you make an appointment in advance, maybe even Damasio and Alonso will meet you to show you their finest treasure machines.

When you are done for the day counting your treasure and polishing your gold statues, they have fantastic food there. And the hot chicks at the Brazil beaches are the most beautiful in the world. Just be careful avoid Copacabana beach unless you're prepared.

You really sure you want to go to Hawaii?

Best wishes,
J_P

Hi,
Prepared ? Means you need an RPG inside your truck before go there? :lol:

I think he just need some tons of condoms there... :rolleyes:

but problem will be at custom declaration... they could think at him as an unauthorized importer... :razz:

Ops... this thread seems now a travel guide !

Kind regards,
Max

[Esteban]

Prototype's inside:

[J_Player]

Hi Esteban,
Prototype looks good - real electronics inside. Not like Ranger Tell with 5 non-working components and calculator. :)

Best wishes,
J_P

[J_Player]

Prepared ? Means you need an RPG inside your truck before go there? :lol:Hi Max,
Prepared means he must be prepared when visiting Copacabana Beach. The people there will love him.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Max]

Prototype's inside:

Hi,
now voltage is 27volt ? Or the extra battery used for other stuff ?

Best regards,
Max

[Max]

Hi Max,
Prepared means he must be prepared when visiting Copacabana Beach. The people there will love him.

Best wishes,
J_P

Hi,
yes I know... that's why I suggested him instead the tons of stuff... there... :razz:

(too many girls and too many sex-ual transmitted diseases) ;)

Kind regards,
Max

[Esteban]

Hi,
now voltage is 27volt ? Or the extra battery used for other stuff ?

Best regards,
Max

Is like Morgan's pistol, except here is used infrared.

Regards

Esteban

[Clondike Clad]

Prototype's inside:
Wht range are you getting?
How do you pinpoint with it.
What type of items can you pick up with it?
Can you pick up fresh gold with this?

[J_Player]

Hi Esteban,
Would Alonso mind posting a schematic here with instructions how to tune it?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Esteban]

Wht range are you getting?
1. How do you pinpoint with it.
2. What type of items can you pick up with it?
3. Can you pick up fresh gold with this?

1. This depend of sensibility. At more sensibility, more distance, but in nearby target is good to diminish sensibility for to pinpoint.
2. You can found the answer in the first post made by me. :angry:
3. No for fresh gold small items, only since rings and coin size.

[Esteban]

Hi Esteban,
Would Alonso mind posting a schematic here with instructions how to tune it?

Best wishes,
J_P

Of this IR pistol... hum. But maybe another kind of schematic...

[Esteban]

Wht range are you getting?
How do you pinpoint with it.
What type of items can you pick up with it?
Can you pick up fresh gold with this?

3 IR led = emission = active device.

[J_Player]

Of this IR pistol... hum. But maybe another kind of schematic...Hi Esteban,
The skeptics have said for a long time it is not possible for any LRL to work. But if a schematic for a working LRL with instructions for tuning it was posted, then anybody can build it to see if it works or not. If they can build it and see it work, then this will stop them from laughing at LRLs and start to believe Alonso is the LRL king.

It is not necessary to show the schematic for the most advanced LRL. An older obsolete model is good enough for a schematic as long as it will find long time buried coins at more than 5 meters distance. If everyone who follows the instructions for building this LRL can see it work, then they will believe it is not a funny toy, but real LRL. It is not necessary for 30 meters distance; 5 meters is good enough. If skeptics can see this working, then they will have no more argument, and must admit they see the proof of Alonso's design finding treasure at long range. When they see photos of Advanced Alonso detector pistols, they can no longer say it is only a Santa Claus story. They must accept it is a true LRL.

Do you think Alonso will post a schematic of an older working LRL with instructions for construction and tuning to give proof to the skeptics?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Clondike Clad]

3 IR led = emission = active device.

IR led can't go deep? what am I missing?

[Morgan]

Prototype's inside:
Another VCA-ELECTRONICA
Victor C. Alonso...

[Astrodetect]

1. This depend of sensibility. At more sensibility, more distance, but in nearby target is good to diminish sensibility for to pinpoint.
2. You can found the answer in the first post made by me. :angry:
3. No for fresh gold small items, only since rings and coin size.

Hello Esteban
I wanted to ask you about the Infrared PD does it use infrared TX and RX or a magnetic RX or maybe electric field RX?
Does it detect unburied metals in you hand also?
If yes by what principle?
Thanks
Astrodetect

PS I sent you a PM 2 weeks ago. Did you see it????????

[Clondike Clad]

3 IR led = emission = active device.

How in the he!! CAN AN IR LED XMIT DEEP IN THE GROUND.
WHAT AM I MISSING????????
THE LOW POWER OF IR LED WILL NOT GO DEEP AT ALL IN THE GROUND.
I BETTER GO BACK TO LURKING BEFORE I TALK TOO MUCH.

[Qiaozhi]

How in the he!! CAN AN IR LED XMIT DEEP IN THE GROUND.
WHAT AM I MISSING????????
THE LOW POWER OF IR LED WILL NOT GO DEEP AT ALL IN THE GROUND.
I BETTER GO BACK TO LURKING BEFORE I TALK TOO MUCH.
I think the general idea is that the signal from the longtime buried target somehow rides on the IR beam, or some such pseudo-scientific explanation. :rolleyes:

[Max]

How in the he!! CAN AN IR LED XMIT DEEP IN THE GROUND.
WHAT AM I MISSING????????
THE LOW POWER OF IR LED WILL NOT GO DEEP AT ALL IN THE GROUND.
I BETTER GO BACK TO LURKING BEFORE I TALK TOO MUCH.

Seems to me that the idea underlying is that the IR radiation will generate a charge accumulation there...

Of course, some EM radiations can do that things for sure... think e.g. at X-rays or gamma or even UV light... but IR is a bit unusual about that.

I know that very thin layers of e.g. gold or aluminium can be electrized by incoming radiations if they have enough energy... and ok... the energy is a direct consequence of frequency.

At Higher freqs (UV,x-ray, gamma) the effect is enhanced but can show up also on thin layers (few atoms!) with lower freqs...

I remember that e.g. Nasa made thin layers in astronauts suites ...expecially the glass cover that they use to repair from Sun's radiations when exposed to them...maybe they conducted a serious study about thin layers and EM spectrum effects... who knows ?:D

Kind regards,
Max

[Esteban]

How in the he!! CAN AN IR LED XMIT DEEP IN THE GROUND.
WHAT AM I MISSING????????
THE LOW POWER OF IR LED WILL NOT GO DEEP AT ALL IN THE GROUND.
I BETTER GO BACK TO LURKING BEFORE I TALK TOO MUCH.

One think is to write you think and other think is the real experiment and the very positive results I obtain on it. My explanation can be a pseudo-explanation, but how can be explained a strange phenomenon with long time buried metals?

Yes, maybe is not very deep, but is enough for some purposes.

[J_Player]

a strange phenomenon with long time buried metals?Hi Esteban,
The topic of strange phenomenon with long-time buried metals has never been documented in a concise form by all who have seen it. We have LRL proponents who have watched it for many years. We also have metal detecorists who have seen it for many years, and only know that they find a large signal on their metal detectors that will disappear after the hole is dug. We also have scientists who take soil samples and find trails of metal ions in the ground.

It is time to put forth some explanations to show what are the known attributes and mysteries about long-time buried metal objects. Sometime in this next few weeks I will be posting some interesting information to describe a lot of the observations that people have found from long time buried metals. I will also show some of the physics that causes these phenomena to happen. There is a lot more to the phenomenon than has been posted in these forums so far. Long time buried metals make changes not only in the chemistry of the soil, but also can influence the electric field in the air above, and magnetic field of the earth, and telluric currents, and much more. It is absolutely true that long time buried gold is not the same as fresh buried gold.

You have established yourself as one of the world's experts, who has spent more time than any other Geotech forum poster studying the effects of long time buried metals. If you want to provide more information from the point of view as an LRL experimenter, then I will take into consideration your input before I start my new thread about the strange phenomenon that has been observed for long time buried metals.Please look for my post, and feel free to add your comments in the forum or by PM if you want to contribute to this new topic to come.

Best wishes,
J_P

[hung]

The phenomena produced by long time buried gold and noble metals have been exaustively explained in Mineoro's site and were studied by two gentlemen, Damasio and Alonso for fity years.
The main idea has been featured in their site for almost five years now. If some people here still cannot conprehend it in 5 years, then not even in 500 years they will do. Of course, there's no 'recipe for the cake'. Or do you really think there will ever be????

If some readers check past posts from that era they will read how members here including the administrator, called it non sense since then. So lately, all of a suden the long time geoskepthics seem to accept now there's something going on.
Hummm.... Kids have grown up fast...:lol:

PS. Esteban, don't fall for skepthics' 'bait', although it appears to taste 'sweet'.:D

[Qiaozhi]

The phenomena produced by long time buried gold and noble metals have been exaustively explained in Mineoro's site and were studied by two gentlemen, Damasio and Alonso for fity years.
The main idea has been featured in their site for almost five years now. If some people here still cannot conprehend it in 5 years, then not even in 500 years they will do. Of course, there's no 'recipe for the cake'. Or do you really think there will ever be????

If some readers check past posts from that era they will read how members here including the administrator, called it non sense since then. So lately, all of a suden the long time geoskepthics seem to accept now there's something going on.
Hummm.... Kids have grown up fast...:lol:

PS. Esteban, don't fall for skepthics' 'bait', although it appears to taste 'sweet'.:D
Just because someone has posted a pseudo-scientific explanation for a non-existent phenomenon on the internet for 5 years doesn't make it true.
Rubbish theories are still rubbish theories, however many times you try to promote them. :razz:

[J_Player]

The phenomena produced by long time buried gold and noble metals have been exaustively explained in Mineoro's siteThe Mineoro site has posted information that is wrong for years. Most of what they posted is pseudoscience and advertising propaganda. None of the errors or pseudoscience from the Mineoro website will appear in my post about long time buried metals.

But what you have posted is not just wrong. It is completely stupid.
You posted information about the Ranger tell "shooting signal lines that are returned", and about broadcasting equipment inside, and even trying to prove that the calculator sends out coded treasure signals that change frequency after pressing keystrokes. As I recall, when challenged about these things, you then changed your story, and even lied about what you previously said. Do you still believe that gold has DNA which produces a substance that coats the surface to protect it against corrosion?

Considering all the great science you have posted here, I would think your ability to determine scientific facts to be just slightly better than Dell Winder's technical ability. While Esteban has established himself as one of the most dedicated experimenters in the world for detection of long-time buried metals in this forum, you have established yourself as a clown who posts false information, apparently trying to gain the respect you see people like Esteban and michael have.

I think Esteban can decide for himself if he wants to send me PMs about his ideas or not.
Oh, by the way, you can send me PMs about your ideas too if you wish. But I have serious doubts they will find their way into the article I am writing about long-time buried metals.

Best wishes,
J_P

[hung]

The phenomena produced by long time buried gold and noble metals have been exaustively explained in Mineoro's site


Actually in Germany's OKM site as well.

[Qiaozhi]

Actually in Germany's OKM site as well.
Thus proving once and for all that it's complete nonsense. :lol:

[Theseus]

The phenomena produced by long time buried gold and noble metals have been exaustively explained in Mineoro's site and were studied by two gentlemen, Damasio and Alonso for fity years.
The main idea has been featured in their site for almost five years now. If some people here still cannot conprehend it in 5 years, then not even in 500 years they will do.

Wish Science and pseudo scientific phenomena may be proposed (and repeated) for as many years as you wish to mouth such nonsense. Nevertheless, not in 5, or 500 or 5000 years will the repeating of nonsense theories cause them to be validated.

If the concept, as proposed, had any merit whatsoever, it would have been substantiated and accepted through basic rational scientific methods years ago. However, like all other "wish" and "nonsense" theories; the idea that long time buried metals are somehow emitting detectable fields, will remain as just another pseudo scientific theory, which is totally unable to be advanced into the realm of rational science and physics. Sorry :|

BTW, when does the debunkering begin?

[Qiaozhi]

BTW, when does the debunkering begin?
I think he actually means "debunking", but what the hell?

In answer to your question ... probably about the same time that an LRL really finds gold. :lol:

[Fred]

If the concept, as proposed, had any merit whatsoever, it would have been substantiated and accepted through basic rational scientific methods years ago. However, like all other "wish" and "nonsense" theories; the idea that long time buried metals are somehow emitting detectable fields, will remain as just another pseudo scientific theory, which is totally unable to be advanced into the realm of rational science and physics. Sorry :|
To be fair, i dont think anyone (except Hung ) says the metal is transmiting any field, but absorbing or modifying an existing one.
Maybe JP´s article will bring light on all this, if he can resist the same "pressions" that Esteban is receiving. :D

[Max]

Actually in Germany's OKM site as well.

Uhm... all teh times you're wrong!
Nothing is still explained using physics... just pseudo-theories and fanatic claims from many lrl-druids! :lol:

Or do you still say there are air-borne ions that mineoro's sniff using some (supposed by you) "ionic chamber" !? :D

Kind regards,
Max

[Esteban]

Wish Science and pseudo scientific phenomena may be proposed (and repeated) for as many years as you wish to mouth such nonsense. Nevertheless, not in 5, or 500 or 5000 years will the repeating of nonsense theories cause them to be validated.

If the concept, as proposed, had any merit whatsoever, it would have been substantiated and accepted through basic rational scientific methods years ago. However, like all other "wish" and "nonsense" theories; the idea that long time buried metals are somehow emitting detectable fields, will remain as just another pseudo scientific theory, which is totally unable to be advanced into the realm of rational science and physics. Sorry :|

BTW, when does the debunkering begin?

One thing is repeating nonsense theories and other thing is out in the field with instruments (pistol) and see what happens. If your pistol can't found old good relics (copper, bronze, silver, gold) in relic areas, for example, thus this pistol doesn't work. Science is rational, but some thinks in nature appears "irrational". When this can be "probed", for miracle is converted in rational.

At this time I obtain results from different kinds of sensors, called antennas (in this category is the loop), coil, infrared and others. Also I saw regular long distance with common tweeter transmitter and tweeter receiver made by Alonso. For my part I don't try ultrasonic. But this also is useful.

But the remarcable effect of "emission" by old targets you can check only with an instrument wich expand a short 20 ns pulse 100,000,000 times. :shocked: Of course, here you need rapid transistors in input.

A proposal:

1. You and your friends can join US$ 50,000 for to see all in the terrain. Alonso and I can travel to USA location rich in relics, can be Carolina, the Carl's state. You can divide the money between 20 persons (you decide the quantity, but not more 20 persons), wich can travel in 4 or 5 vans. The persons wich help in diggin and others "secretaries" are not affected by the expenses, I think. Every other person wich wish to participate will be pay US$ 2,500, each.

2. You can to film and take photos and sell the film. If film generate good money, we wish a percentage.

3. We can made the pistol in front your eyes. I think that cheap materials are not an excesive expense.

4. Tickets with return for the travel via airplane must be considered from your part. Also a room and a few of food.

5. The targets diggin are for all you, except treasure. Treasure will be divided according laws and other.

This is the only manner you'll be "convinced" :rolleyes:.

Regards

Esteban

[Max]

One thing is repeating nonsense theories and other thing is out in the field with instruments (pistol) and see what happens. If your pistol can't found old good relics (copper, bronze, silver, gold) in relic areas, for example, thus this pistol doesn't work. Science is rational, but some thinks in nature appears "irrational". When this can be "probed", for miracle is converted in rational.

At this time I obtain results from different kinds of sensors, called antennas (in this category is the loop), coil, infrared and others. Also I saw regular long distance with common tweeter transmitter and tweeter receiver made by Alonso. For my part I don't try ultrasonic. But this also is useful.

But the remarcable effect of "emission" by old targets you can check only with an instrument wich expand a short 20 ns pulse 100,000,000 times. :shocked: Of course, here you need rapid transistors in input.

A proposal:

1. You and your friends can join US$ 50,000 for to see all in the terrain. Alonso and I can travel to USA location rich in relics, can be Carolina, the Carl's state. You can divide the money between 20 persons (you decide the quantity, but not more 20 persons), wich can travel in 4 or 5 vans. The persons wich help in diggin and others "secretaries" are not affected by the expenses, I think. Every other person wich wish to participate will be pay US$ 2,500, each.

2. You can to film and take photos and sell the film. If film generate good money, we wish a percentage.

3. We can made the pistol in front your eyes. I think that cheap materials are not an excesive expense.

4. Tickets with return for the travel via airplane must be considered from your part. Also a room and a few of food.

5. The targets diggin are for all you, except treasure. Treasure will be divided according laws and other.

This is the only manner you'll be "convinced" :rolleyes:.

Regards

Esteban

Uhm... ultrasonic things seems much like rodent repellers...:D

What do you mean ? That Alonso converted a rodent repeller in an LRL !????:lol:

Seems funny....

Can you explain how the hell it's supposed to work ??? Seems truly impossible stuff...

Kind regards,
Max

[Esteban]

Uhm... ultrasonic things seems much like rodent repellers...:D

What do you mean ? That Alonso converted a rodent repeller in an LRL !????:lol:

Seems funny....

Can you explain how the hell it's supposed to work ??? Seems truly impossible stuff...

Kind regards,
Max

Ultrasonic is used for many purposes, also for to detect imperfections into metals and constructions... not only for rodent repeller. Tweeter transmitt ultrasonic as an ultrasonic ray. Only Alonso can be explain properly. Seems he eliminate the coil and use only the transducer.

[humhum]

http://i022.radikal.ru/0905/cd/266f647cee2c.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)

[Qiaozhi]

http://i022.radikal.ru/0905/cd/266f647cee2c.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)

Can you please translate the words on this diagram?

[Morgan]

To be fair, i dont think anyone (except Hung ) says the metal is transmiting any field, but absorbing or modifying an existing one.
Maybe JP´s article will bring light on all this, if he can resist the same "pressions" that Esteban is receiving. :D
Hi Fred

My field test is open for you or others from this forum to investigate the PHENOMENON of buried gold and metals. I only want respect,not dig this metals i buried 20 years ago to try simple MD´s.
The PENOMENON exist,and some days is more strong,others more weak and everybody can see it irradiate more distance to NORT direction,so Alonso and Damasio are absolutly corretc.
If someone is interested to see ,send PM to me.

Regards

[Morgan]

One thing is repeating nonsense theories and other thing is out in the field with instruments (pistol) and see what happens. If your pistol can't found old good relics (copper, bronze, silver, gold) in relic areas, for example, thus this pistol doesn't work. Science is rational, but some thinks in nature appears "irrational". When this can be "probed", for miracle is converted in rational.

At this time I obtain results from different kinds of sensors, called antennas (in this category is the loop), coil, infrared and others. Also I saw regular long distance with common tweeter transmitter and tweeter receiver made by Alonso. For my part I don't try ultrasonic. But this also is useful.

But the remarcable effect of "emission" by old targets you can check only with an instrument wich expand a short 20 ns pulse 100,000,000 times. :shocked: Of course, here you need rapid transistors in input.

A proposal:

1. You and your friends can join US$ 50,000 for to see all in the terrain. Alonso and I can travel to USA location rich in relics, can be Carolina, the Carl's state. You can divide the money between 20 persons (you decide the quantity, but not more 20 persons), wich can travel in 4 or 5 vans. The persons wich help in diggin and others "secretaries" are not affected by the expenses, I think. Every other person wich wish to participate will be pay US$ 2,500, each.

2. You can to film and take photos and sell the film. If film generate good money, we wish a percentage.

3. We can made the pistol in front your eyes. I think that cheap materials are not an excesive expense.

4. Tickets with return for the travel via airplane must be considered from your part. Also a room and a few of food.

5. The targets diggin are for all you, except treasure. Treasure will be divided according laws and other.

This is the only manner you'll be "convinced" :rolleyes:.

Regards

Esteban
Hello Esteban

Are you sure your cousin Alonso agree with this ideia ? :|

Dont you think $ 50,000 is little money for all yours and Alonso searches in LRL area ?

I think you can go to USA ,make the LRL SHOW but not teach how to build the PD

That´s my opinion,but you can do wath you want...

Regards

[Esteban]

Hello Esteban

Are you sure your cousin Alonso agree with this ideia ? :|

Dont you think $ 50,000 is little money for all yours and Alonso searches in LRL area ?

I think you can go to USA ,make the LRL SHOW but not teach how to build the PD

That´s my opinion,but you can do wath you want...

Regards

No teach. Is just the show. The show happens twice in USA in the 80s, but no register in motion picture.

When we obtain the sum, we will go for the 25,000 of Carl. But maybe after the show, is possible obtain the Carl's sum easily?

[Morgan]

No teach. Is just the show. The show happens twice in USA in the 80s, but no register in motion picture.

When we obtain the sum, we will go for the 25,000 of Carl. But maybe after the show, is possible obtain the Carl's sum easily?
I think Carls $25,000 its not a good choice for you or your cousin Alonso.

WHY ???

BECOUSE ITS FRESH BURIED GOLD OR SILVER,AND PISTOLDETEKTOR CANT DETECT THIS OBJECTS AT BIG DISTANCES UNLESS THEY STAY SOME YEARS UNDERGROUND !!!

[Esteban]

I think Carls $25,000 its not a good choice for you or your cousin Alonso.

WHY ???

BECOUSE ITS FRESH BURIED GOLD OR SILVER,AND PISTOLDETEKTOR CANT DETECT THIS OBJECTS AT BIG DISTANCES UNLESS THEY STAY SOME YEARS UNDERGROUND !!!

Who knows, in the next months can be possible a detector wich detect the targets at sight.

[Esteban]

Hello Esteban

Are you sure your cousin Alonso agree with this ideia ? :|

Dont you think $ 50,000 is little money for all yours and Alonso searches in LRL area ?

I think you can go to USA ,make the LRL SHOW but not teach how to build the PD

That´s my opinion,but you can do wath you want...

Regards

I'll try to convince him...

[Esteban]

Can you please translate the words on this diagram?

In this thread
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13965

[J_Player]

A proposal:

1. You and your friends can join US$ 50,000 for to see all in the terrain. Alonso and I can travel to USA location rich in relics, can be Carolina, the Carl's state. You can divide the money between 20 persons (you decide the quantity, but not more 20 persons), wich can travel in 4 or 5 vans. The persons wich help in diggin and others "secretaries" are not affected by the expenses, I think. Every other person wich wish to participate will be pay US$ 2,500, each.

2. You can to film and take photos and sell the film. If film generate good money, we wish a percentage.

3. We can made the pistol in front your eyes. I think that cheap materials are not an excesive expense.

4. Tickets with return for the travel via airplane must be considered from your part. Also a room and a few of food.

5. The targets diggin are for all you, except treasure. Treasure will be divided according laws and other.

This is the only manner you'll be "convinced" :rolleyes:.

Regards
Esteban

When we obtain the sum, we will go for the 25,000 of Carl. But maybe after the show, is possible obtain the Carl's sum easily?
Hi Esteban,
This is an interesting proposal. But I noticed several problems:

1. There may be two or three persons who are willing to pay $2500 to see a demonstration (if lucky). But it is doubtful you will find 20 persons to make a total of $50,000 US to pay Alonso and you for round trip expenses and demonstration. The world is in a recession, and most people do not spend extra money for non-essential things.

Also... Carl's state is no longer Carolina. He moved recently to a place that has many rivers and streams with native gold in the ground for more than 100,000 years.

"... we will go for the 25,000 of Carl".
Here is Carl's recent announcement: "Until further notice, the $25,000 LRL Challenge is suspended. This is due to two factors: (1) I am in the process of moving cross-country, and both my time and funds are tied up in this effort, and (2) the economic slump has reduced the prize account below the minimum needed to support the challenge".

This announcement came when Carl moved away from Carolina to a new location on the west coast of the USA. I feel confident he will reinstate his challenge after he has become established in his new home. But for now, there is no $25,000 challenge.

2. Share potential profits on films is not a problem. However, I doubt there will be profits to share. What I foresee happening is many people would make videos with home DVD cameras, and some would send them to youtube. After posted, all treasure hunters would see the youtube videos for free. Then they would not pay for admission tickets to see a private showing. But who knows? Maybe a large television network would pay to have another demonstration. I think the best advantage to videos is it would bring publicity to Alonso and the LRL business that originates in Paraguay and Brazil.

3. "We can made the pistol in front your eyes. I think that cheap materials are not an excesive expense".This is also not a problem. In fact, this would be the best part of the demonstration. The information given in the forums is only a written description. But to see it built in front of our eyes will answer all questions. So no more need to wonder about missing information.

4. "Tickets with return for the travel via airplane must be considered from your part. Also a room and a few of food". This is also not a problem. If I am among the people who see the demonstration, I will personally take you and Alonso to the best local restaurants for very nice meals. I will also show you the great cities and places to visit in Souhern California.

Best wishes,
J_P

Rebunkering all that has been debunkered

[J_Player]

I only want respect,not dig this metals i buried 20 years ago to try simple MD´s.
The PENOMENON exist,and some days is more strong,others more weak and everybody can see it irradiate more distance to NORT direction,so Alonso and Damasio are absolutly corretc.Hi Morgan,
I have a question about your test metals buried:
You say the phenomenon exists because you can detect it on your pistol detector. My question is this:
Have you tried detecting the buried metals with your conventional metal detectors, then check to see if your LRLs can find the same metals shortly afterwords?

According to some people, using a conventional metal detector at the location of the long time buried metals will destroy the "phenomenon" for awhile, so you need to wait a few days before the "phenomenon" is restored to be detectable from an LRL. Did you find that this is true for your buried metals?

Best wishes,
J_P

[hung]

Esteban,


1 - Unless Alonso is really desperate for money and wishes to start a great operation to sell his detectors or even promote himself in US, he should consider the HIGH risk and danger of his ideas and aproaches be stolen the time he steps the field for the 'demonstration'.

This happened in music business twice and involved two great Brazilian composers. The great Tom Jobim and Ivan Lins. They both had several of their compositions stolen and also author rights changed by inescupulous american oportunists to display their names in the rights.

2 - FORGET about Carl's contest prize. It's a hoax. It will never happen.

This was just made up to give him publicity. Four years ago Kelly Brown and Mike Tune challenged him in the Treasure Tracker case. Mike Tune asked many times for proof and bank documented evidence that Carl had this amount to be set available. He never provided that as far as I know and due to many other obstacles he created, the challenge never happened.
Just check the thread in TNet back then and you will read all the posts about it. If you can't find it email me and I'll direct you.

3 - Despite of thousands of posts that You, Morgan and I (among others) have provided along time about the ionic/electrostatic phenomena and all the explanations which have exaustively given which includes Mineoro's, your own and mine, still the same dumb and idiotic questions are being made.
To me it looks as these people are so sick that are not able to accept the answers or they keep insisting there's a secret behind those answers. I don't know what it looks to you, but I would not bother to answer them for now on. Check your statistics and see the exact number of posts you have been talking about the subject.


If Carl has moved to a region full of underground gold, then he is rich now, because his FG80 will detect this gold in 15 seconds. So Esteban, you, Morgan and I know that any other excuse for not getting this gold is unacceptable right?

Again, if I were Alonso, I would think 1,002 times before I would venture in such dangerous and risky trip which could bring no profits at all.

If you wish, email me and we'll talk.

Regards.

[hung]

One more thing.
I have to agree with some skepthics here this time.

It's much more profitable to Alonso keeping the devices and secrets to himself and go out to recover all gold he can in the field, than risking selling his machines and aproaches and end up anonymous and who knows... broken also.
Consider this.

[J_Player]

... still the same dumb and idiotic questions are being made.
To me it looks as these people are so sick that are not able to accept the answers or they keep insisting there's a secret behind those answers.This is interesting. You compare your explanations of gold science to be equivalent quality to what Esteban posts. Are you serious?
As I recall, you post a much different story about gold science than Esteban, Mineoro, or anyone else in the world. In fact, the things you post are so stupid that any average person would probably laugh, rather than ask questions about where you learned anything so ridiculous.

For example, you posted this:
"Gold is the most powerful 'self defensive' metal when it comes to avoid any harm to its structure, such as rust, oxidation, etc. Its DNA produces a substance which coats the metal to fight against those 'threats'."
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=84058&postcount=41

I have to admit, I don't believe you. I think you posted fake science.
And I have never seen Esteban or anyone else make any post about the DNA of gold.

So tell me...
Am I among the people who are "so sick that we are not able to accept your answers"?
Is it a "dumb and idiotic question" to ask where you learned this science?

Should we take your post to be true facts about the DNA of gold?
Or is the "gold DNA" you posted "dumb and idiotic" fake science?

Best wishes,
J_P

Rebunkering all that has been debunkered.

[Max]

In this thread
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13965

Hi,
I read that: seems that KT315 say it's just a joke... an old schematic from radioluibitel magazine! :lol:

All the same... for you guys even May is fine month for jokes! :D

Kind regards,
Max

[Astrodetect]

Esteban,


3 - Despite of thousands of posts that You, Morgan and I (among others) have provided along time about the ionic/electrostatic phenomena and all the explanations which have exaustively given which includes Mineoro's, your own and mine, still the same dumb and idiotic questions are being made.
To me it looks as these people are so sick that are not able to accept the answers or they keep insisting there's a secret behind those answers. I don't know what it looks to you, but I would not bother to answer them for now on. Check your statistics and see the exact number of posts you have been talking about the subject.


.

Hello Hung
I would just like to say a few remarks about the above that you wrote without trying to defend the others, but I will be frank with you.

Firstly no matter how many explanations you have given, you have NEVER told for once, NEVER, a principle of operation of any kind of LRL to anybody who wants to learn in this forum. That is why most people here are fed up with your claims (which may be true as a matter of fact) but they are correct when they say that neither you or Esteban have ever given a working schematic of a LRL.

Secondly, the fact is that if it wasnt for Alonso, I dont believe that any of you would have come up with a detector for LR Detection, so just because you and others happen to have the connections with Alonso, doesnt make you smarter than the rest of the world.......

And thirdly, I dont understand why you and others come to this forum and tease the other members, if you are never going to give truthful information and schematics to anybody, just because you are scared that they will eventually start to find Gold. I dont understand your motive...

I surely believe that the phenomenon exists, but if it wasnt for a Good Morgan you and Esteban would never give us schematics and Pcb's for a working LRL.
So I am sorry but we are not IDIOTS or SICK as you have stated above.
We accept your answers, but if you dont give a working schematic of an LRL, you are the one who is responsible for the negative feedback you are receiving.
So it would be better to not throw out in this forums claims which you are not ready to prove, with schematics.
Thanks
Astrodetect

[Astrodetect]

..

[Qiaozhi]

3 - Despite of thousands of posts that You, Morgan and I (among others) have provided along time about the ionic/electrostatic phenomena and all the explanations which have exaustively given which includes Mineoro's, your own and mine, still the same dumb and idiotic questions are being made.
To me it looks as these people are so sick that are not able to accept the answers or they keep insisting there's a secret behind those answers. I don't know what it looks to you, but I would not bother to answer them for now on. Check your statistics and see the exact number of posts you have been talking about the subject.
You are like a small child who doesn't like the answer he receives from his parents, so he continuously spouts forth the same rhetoric hoping for a different answer the next time.

Repetition will never make it true.

And ... by the way ... when will the debunkering begin?

[hung]

Astrodetect,

1 - When I refer to terms like ‘idiotic’ or ‘sick’, I’m in no way referring to members as yourself, Hum Hum, Aft72005 and others who are aware of the long time buried metal phenomena and pursue interest in developing their own devices.
I refer to the all-time ‘skepthics’ who since the start of this forum expressed their skepticism to the point of exposing to ridicule Esteban, Morgan, myself and whoever tried to cover the LRL subject.

2 – I started in this forum as a Mineoro user but could not completely understand the phenomena in the beginning, even after long conversations with Damasio. Of course he never provided me the complete and detailed explanation about it.
So what did I do? I conducted a private deep research on the subject, formed a research group of investigation and reached my goal. This led me to not only understand well the phenomena but to move to another level of approach which is more effective than trying to only detect the field the object produces.

So, I did nothing more than any of you can do. I RESEARCHED it without the help of Damasio, Alonso or anybody’s. So any of you can do the same if you are serious about it.

Of course I will not reveal what I found out, simply because the original discoverers of this, still chose not to talk about it yet. I fully respect ethics.

3 – In no way I remain in this forum ‘teasing’ people about this subject. I strongly deny that.
You don’t see me here posting any circuit, project, plans or anything of the like.
I don’t agree with the way Esteban behaves, posting schematics to people and then omitting the critical parts. That’s teasing.
But he’s free to do whatever he wants. I respect his option, but don’t agree with it.

The day you come up with a new discovery about it, I’m sure you will keep it to yourself for your own good. It was your effort and merit. What you will do with it, it’s up to you.

Best regards.

[Esteban]

Hi Hung

Nobody here (Alonso and me) is desperate for money. Just big skeptical position demands big proof$$. :lol:


Esteban,


1 - Unless Alonso is really desperate for money and wishes to start a great operation to sell his detectors or even promote himself in US, he should consider the HIGH risk and danger of his ideas and aproaches be stolen the time he steps the field for the 'demonstration'.

This happened in music business twice and involved two great Brazilian composers. The great Tom Jobim and Ivan Lins. They both had several of their compositions stolen and also author rights changed by inescupulous american oportunists to display their names in the rights.

2 - FORGET about Carl's contest prize. It's a hoax. It will never happen.

This was just made up to give him publicity. Four years ago Kelly Brown and Mike Tune challenged him in the Treasure Tracker case. Mike Tune asked many times for proof and bank documented evidence that Carl had this amount to be set available. He never provided that as far as I know and due to many other obstacles he created, the challenge never happened.
Just check the thread in TNet back then and you will read all the posts about it. If you can't find it email me and I'll direct you.

3 - Despite of thousands of posts that You, Morgan and I (among others) have provided along time about the ionic/electrostatic phenomena and all the explanations which have exaustively given which includes Mineoro's, your own and mine, still the same dumb and idiotic questions are being made.
To me it looks as these people are so sick that are not able to accept the answers or they keep insisting there's a secret behind those answers. I don't know what it looks to you, but I would not bother to answer them for now on. Check your statistics and see the exact number of posts you have been talking about the subject.


If Carl has moved to a region full of underground gold, then he is rich now, because his FG80 will detect this gold in 15 seconds. So Esteban, you, Morgan and I know that any other excuse for not getting this gold is unacceptable right?

Again, if I were Alonso, I would think 1,002 times before I would venture in such dangerous and risky trip which could bring no profits at all.

If you wish, email me and we'll talk.

Regards.

[Fred]

Again, if I were Alonso, I would think 1,002 times before I would venture in such dangerous and risky trip which could bring no profits at all.
If you wish, email me and we'll talk.
If i were you, i would have more respect towards Alonso and Esteban and i would not consider that they need my advice for decisions related to their personal life.

...I refer to the all-time ‘skepthics’ who since the start of this forum expressed their skepticism to the point of exposing to ridicule Esteban, Morgan, myself and whoever tried to cover the LRL subject.
To cover the LRL subject ? :shocked: nobody ridiculised anyone, just some stupid pseudo-tecnhical afirmations.Unfortunately they were only provided by YOU .Everyone here respects what Esteban says, precisely because he doesn´t make up explanation to look smart.


The day you come up with a new discovery about it, I’m sure you will keep it to yourself for your own good. It was your effort and merit. What you will do with it, it’s up to you.

This shows a bad mentality.When i discover or make something that could be usefull to others, i share it.
Do you have a good reason not to share your "special discovery"? You want all the treasures for yourself ? :lol:

When will the debunkering begin?

[Max]

If i were you, i would have more respect towards Alonso and Esteban and i would not consider that they need my advice for decisions related to their personal life.


To cover the LRL subject ? :shocked: nobody ridiculised anyone, just some stupid pseudo-tecnhical afirmations.Unfortunately they were only provided by YOU .Everyone here respects what Esteban says, precisely because he doesn´t make up explanation to look smart.



This shows a bad mentality.When i discover or make something that could be usefull to others, i share it.
Do you have a good reason not to share your "special discovery"? You want all the treasures for yourself ? :lol:

When will the debunkering begin?

Yes, when ??? :D

But... BTW... what's that dang DEBUNKERING ?

Is Hung digging for treasures and made instead enough room for a bunker there ? :lol:

Hung, still found nothing , eh ? :D

Kind regards,
Max

[Max]

http://i022.radikal.ru/0905/cd/266f647cee2c.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)

C'mon... seems an old TV remote control... :lol:

What a bout what KT315 wrote to you ?

Isn't that a little joke , eh ?

Kind regards,
Max

[Qiaozhi]

Do you have a good reason not to share your "special discovery"? You want all the treasures for yourself ? :lol:
It's a modified RT Examiner, so what is there to share?

Hung - When will the debunkering begin?
You don't seem to be answering this question?

[Qiaozhi]

It's that darn micro-gold again!

[Fred]

It's that darn micro-gold again!
Is Hung in the caterpillar or one of the guys on the rock ?

[Morgan]

Hi Morgan,
I have a question about your test metals buried:
You say the phenomenon exists because you can detect it on your pistol detector. My question is this:
Have you tried detecting the buried metals with your conventional metal detectors, then check to see if your LRLs can find the same metals shortly afterwords?

According to some people, using a conventional metal detector at the location of the long time buried metals will destroy the "phenomenon" for awhile, so you need to wait a few days before the "phenomenon" is restored to be detectable from an LRL. Did you find that this is true for your buried metals?

Best wishes,
J_P
In my field test,everytime i use PD to check the targets i get LRL detection,even if i use normal metal detector before.
Probably the use of MD´s can destroy part of the electromagnetic field around buried objects,but i dont see the diference...Maybe it as more to do with ionic/electrostatic LRL devices.
The PHENOMENON i get always projected to NORT,but not always in eliptical shape,it happens more in square or rectangle shape.
I have many signals near my house,i dont dig then,just in case some of you decide to come here to investigate the PHENOMENON,than they can dig,for sure its aluminium or other junk,or maybe coins...

[Qiaozhi]

Is Hung in the caterpillar or one of the guys on the rock ?
I think he's the one in the middle. The other two, and the poor guy in the bulldozer, are members of his "team". :lol:

As you can see from his stance, he's trying to look unconcerned, but the others are not convinced. :angry: BUT ... there must be gold down there somewhere, according to Hung's modified RT. :nono:

Any news about the debunkering?

[J_Player]

Any news about the debunkering? ...Still looking for a bunker that got debunkered, so I can rebunker it. :cool:

Best wishes,
J_P

Rebunkering all that has been debunkered

[Max]

In my field test,everytime i use PD to check the targets i get LRL detection,even if i use normal metal detector before.
Probably the use of MD´s can destroy part of the electromagnetic field around buried objects,but i dont see the diference...Maybe it as more to do with ionic/electrostatic LRL devices.
The PHENOMENON i get always projected to NORT,but not always in eliptical shape,it happens more in square or rectangle shape.
I have many signals near my house,i dont dig then,just in case some of you decide to come here to investigate the PHENOMENON,than they can dig,for sure its aluminium or other junk,or maybe coins...

Hi,
the problem is that we miss the 7th board... so HOW THE HELL WE ARE SUPPOSED TO TEST PD IN YOUR SAME CONDITIONS ? :lol:

Until you'll bring us that 7th pearl we'll not see ANY phenomenon... apart Hung's obsession for DEBUNKERING and caterpillars! :razz:

Kind regards,
Max

[Max]

I think he's the one in the middle. The other two, and the poor guy in the bulldozer, are members of his "team". :lol:

As you can see from his stance, he's trying to look unconcerned, but the others are not convinced. :angry: BUT ... there must be gold down there somewhere, according to Hung's modified RT. :nono:

Any news about the debunkering?

Hi,
last news from Hung were from Afghan-scenario...near Tora Bora... he found a job as tunnels excavator... seems he incidentally found a big treasure... but the only time he was successful was without his RT-modified-flask ! and using a big caterpillar.... :lol:

Here's from afghan expedition Hung's hall-of-fame ! :D

Kind regards,
Max

[Max]

Is Hung in the caterpillar or one of the guys on the rock ?


Hi,
you don't have to ask that... it's obvious! :D

Hung is always the man-in-the-middle!;)

Kind regards,
Max

[Qiaozhi]

Hi,
last news from Hung were from Afghan-scenario...near Tora Bora... he found a job as tunnels excavator... seems he incidentally found a big treasure... but the only time he was successful was without his RT-modified-flask ! and using a big caterpillar.... :lol:

Here's from afghan expedition Hung's hall-of-fame ! :D

Kind regards,
Max
Yep ... it's that Hung guy again! ... getting ready for some serious debunkering, no doubt.