Post proof of working LRL

[Clondike Clad]

How about posting proof and finds with your LRL.
If you find it show it.
Only real proof only please.

[Esteban]

How about posting proof and finds with your LRL.
If you find it show it.
Only real proof only please.

Wich kind of proof? The only I have are hundreds pics since the 70's... I have posted here many... What do you want? Do you can see or you're blind? Can you remember? If not, your memory is very bad!!! Here with a dirty silver coin found at 30 meters of the detector... This was in 1988. Of course, for persons as Roberts and others the only common objects are the cows in the pic. :lol::lol::lol:

Now, Roberts, post your finds with electronic LRL.:lol::lol::lol: Obvious, you can't!!! Be happy like me!!! This is real experience of life!!!

[J_Player]

Working LRL's

[Esteban]

Also, I'm waiting. Now, post your proofs!

[roberts]

Wich kind of proof? The only I have are hundreds pics since the 70's... I have posted here many... What do you want? Do you can see or you're blind? Can you remember? If not, your memory is very bad!!! Here with a dirty silver coin found at 30 meters of the detector... This was in 1988. Of course, for persons as Roberts and others the only common objects are the cows in the pic. :lol::lol::lol:

Now, Roberts, post your finds with electronic LRL.:lol::lol::lol: Obvious, you can't!!! Be happy like me!!! This is real experience of life!!!


I feel invited here, since you named me. Although i usually do have nausea and pain in my lower back reading simillar posts i will answer you here.:lol:

Only possible proof you can give here is even simpliest schematics with explanations of WORKING LRL, so the rest of us can make it and see WITH OUR OWN EYES is it working or not.
No matter what are you claiming here, no matter how many tons of photos you post here, still you CANT PROOVE nothing!
Only totally IDIOT will trust your claims. Only totally FOOL will beleive that you really located anything with those funny, bogus toys you are showing on photos.
Can't you understand Esteban??? Those are NOT proofs! Please understand this once for all!
You are so persistent in your claims and posting photos....makes you very funny here! I do have really nothing against you. But you becoming more and more JOKE here...dear Esteban!:lol::lol::lol:

OK. Let me give you an example; Carl Moreland designed Hammerhead. So he came out in public and made few claims about HH perfomances. If he didnt posted full project,schematic and pcb, fully backuped with rich explanatory i would also claim here that he is liar. But thanks to his posts i had oportunity to make that HH and see WITH MY EYES and check so i do have MY OWN EXPERIENCES with HH and now i simply CAN NOT claim he is LIAR cose it turned that HH is really WORKABLE device. Not bougus but WORKABLE. Man can really detect burried items with HH.
DO YOU UNDERSTAN ME NOW ESTEBAN!?
IF YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND EVEN THESE, THAN I SWEAR; MUST BE SOMETHING VERY WRONG WITH YOU!? AND I WILL NEVER AGAIN SPEAK HERE WITH YOU NEITHER WILL REACT ON YOUR IDIOTIC POSTS. THIS IS VERY LAST FROM ME ASKING YOU ANYTHING.

[J_Player]

Robert is right about proof.

If Carl posted pictures of his completed Hammerhead in his hand with lots of photos of coins and jewelry, but no schematics or instructions how to tune it, then everyone would laugh at him for expecting us to believe this stupid electronic hammerhead box will find treasure.

But Carl did not post any treasure pictures. He posted a complete schematic including circuit description and instructions for adjusting the circuits so we can build our own Hammerhead and test to see if it works like he says it will work. Anyone can follow the instructions that Carl gave to build a Hammerhead PI and prove that it works by finding buried coins and other metals the same as Carl says it will. This is actual proof in the hands of the person who wants to see it work.

Nobody who has a working LRL ever posted a complete schematic with instructions to make this same test and proof like we see for the Hammerhead PI.

So I must say that Robert is correct, that there is no proof of these LRLs working because we have never been given a schematic and instructions for tuning an electronic LRL to find treasure the same as the people who claim they will.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Esteban]

I feel invited here, since you named me. Although i usually do have nausea and pain in my lower back reading simillar posts i will answer you here.:lol:

Only possible proof you can give here is even simpliest schematics with explanations of WORKING LRL, so the rest of us can make it and see WITH OUR OWN EYES is it working or not.
No matter what are you claiming here, no matter how many tons of photos you post here, still you CANT PROOVE nothing!
Only totally IDIOT will trust your claims. Only totally FOOL will beleive that you really located anything with those funny, bogus toys you are showing on photos.
Can't you understand Esteban??? Those are NOT proofs! Please understand this once for all!
You are so persistent in your claims and posting photos....makes you very funny here! I do have really nothing against you. But you becoming more and more JOKE here...dear Esteban!:lol::lol::lol:

OK. Let me give you an example; Carl Moreland designed Hammerhead. So he came out in public and made few claims about HH perfomances. If he didnt posted full project,schematic and pcb, fully backuped with rich explanatory i would also claim here that he is liar. But thanks to his posts i had oportunity to make that HH and see WITH MY EYES and check so i do have MY OWN EXPERIENCES with HH and now i simply CAN NOT claim he is LIAR cose it turned that HH is really WORKABLE device. Not bougus but WORKABLE. Man can really detect burried items with HH.
DO YOU UNDERSTAN ME NOW ESTEBAN!?
IF YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND EVEN THESE, THAN I SWEAR; MUST BE SOMETHING VERY WRONG WITH YOU!? AND I WILL NEVER AGAIN SPEAK HERE WITH YOU NEITHER WILL REACT ON YOUR IDIOTIC POSTS. THIS IS VERY LAST FROM ME ASKING YOU ANYTHING.

Roberts, you're a child for me, who try to lie me with the diploma you download from internet (see Archive section) and present here as yours!!! :lol::lol::lol: With this fool and liar people who TRY TO LIE ME can't advance in any matter.

You wish to lie me and others with your supossed high-background in radio... Supossed designs, supossed projects... As you can't contribute nothing in others threads and also other levels, you try to attack HERE, JUST A FIELD "TERRA INCOGNITA" FOR YOU!!! YOU'RE A VULGAR MERCENARY!!!

If you post here your supossed radio projects or designs, I'll unmask you, AGAIN!!!

Regarding me, try later, when you have any project, simple or not. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

And sorry, I can locate with simple methods, no complicate. So, I expect you can design a more "reliable" than mine methods. I'm waiting for your sophistication. But no, you can't, you can't access at this technic. Salute! And I'm happy for this!

Yes, my pics are records of what I run in this matter through 29 years, and I'm sure you don't have nothing, INCLUDE WITH NORMAL METHOD OF DETECTIONS. So, probe me here if I'm wrong. Pobrecito RObert (banned), alias Sony (banned)!!! This is the mirror in where you must watch you!!!

(Estoy pensando escribir en español desde ahora, para que se esfuercen un poco, asÃ* puede que entiendan algo.)

[Esteban]

How about posting proof and finds with your LRL.
If you find it show it.
Only real proof only please.

I saw photo of man on Moon, this isn't proof, but I believe it.

[Esteban]

Robert is right about proof.

If Carl posted pictures of his completed Hammerhead in his hand with lots of photos of coins and jewelry, but no schematics or instructions how to tune it, then everyone would laugh at him for expecting us to believe this stupid electronic hammerhead box will find treasure.

But Carl did not post any treasure pictures. He posted a complete schematic including circuit description and instructions for adjusting the circuits so we can build our own Hammerhead and test to see if it works like he says it will work. Anyone can follow the instructions that Carl gave to build a Hammerhead PI and prove that it works by finding buried coins and other metals the same as Carl says it will. This is actual proof in the hands of the person who wants to see it work.

Nobody who has a working LRL ever posted a complete schematic with instructions to make this same test and proof like we see for the Hammerhead PI.

So I must say that Robert is correct, that there is no proof of these LRLs working because we have never been given a schematic and instructions for tuning an electronic LRL to find treasure the same as the people who claim they will.

Best wishes,
J_P

J_P, sorry:

The day that RObert will be right in it or similar matter, I'll go to imprison myself in an abbey!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

See The RS forum, you have the schematic, somebody had finish the coil, Morgan found items with it. The problem is this: the persons collect information (and also loose it!!!) all his life, but never put the hands in the job.


Regards

Esteban

[J_Player]

See The RS forum, you have the schematic, somebody had finish the coil, Morgan found items with it. The problem is this: the persons collect information (and also loose it!!!) all his life, but never put the hands in the job.Hi Esteban,
In Carl's Hammerhead PI detector, he posted a complete schematic including coil description, and with instructions how to tune the circuits to find treasure. There is nowhere in any Geotech forum where the owner of a LRL posted the same complete schematic including coil description, and with instructions how to tune the circuits to find treasure. What we have is a difficult search through many circuit diagrams with errors and missing coil information. There is no way an average reader can build a working LRL from the information in the forums like they can build a Hammerhead PI from Carl's instructions.

When I look at your posts about building LRLs, you do not show complete schematics for us to make the same locator you show in your hand. you only show general theories of how it could be done. These theories do not allow us to build a working copy of the locator you show us in your hand, or find the treasure like you show us in your hand. Only the complete construction details will show us how to build a locator to work the same as the locator you show in your hand finding treasure.

There is no complete schematic with coil details and tuning instructions for any electronic LRL in any Geotech forum.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Clondike Clad]

I saw photo of man on Moon, this isn't proof, but I believe it. I SAW THE SATUN ROCKET AND THE LUNAR LANDER AND THAT IS PROOF FOR ME.
SHOW US A DETECTOR SIGNAL AND CURCUIT AND LET US TEST IT.
yOU ALSO LOKE CALLING PEOPLE NAMES ETC.
I THANK YOU ARE LIKE A CHEAP PACK OF CIGARETTES AND THAT STANKS.
SCAMMING PEOPLE OUT OF MONEY.:nono:

[Esteban]

I SAW THE SATUN ROCKET AND THE LUNAR LANDER AND THAT IS PROOF FOR ME.
SHOW US A DETECTOR SIGNAL AND CURCUIT AND LET US TEST IT.
yOU ALSO LOKE CALLING PEOPLE NAMES ETC.
I THANK YOU ARE LIKE A CHEAP PACK OF CIGARETTES AND THAT STANKS.
SCAMMING PEOPLE OUT OF MONEY.:nono:

Seems you're very confused:stars:.

Now, proof me I'm scamming people out money. I'm not LRL seller, so you are confused. :nono: I was and I am electronic LRL experimenter, no supporter of brands, no supporter of Saturn V, do you see the difference or what?

Also I can see a Saturn V rocket, but isn't proof of man on Moon, but I said, I BELIEVE IN MAN ON MOON! Also I can see a metal detector on hands of many, but isn't proof of finds! But I believe you can found metal with it.

Yes, I'm a cheap pack of cigarettes and stanks, but I throw smoke. :razz: No as others... empty words!

The day that you and others moderate your horrible language and your wrong vision toward me, :angry: I'll post it.

[Geo]

Hi Esteban,
In Carl's Hammerhead PI detector, he posted a complete schematic including coil description, and with instructions how to tune the circuits to find treasure. There is nowhere in any Geotech forum where the owner of a LRL posted the same complete schematic including coil description, and with instructions how to tune the circuits to find treasure. What we have is a difficult search through many circuit diagrams with errors and missing coil information. There is no way an average reader can build a working LRL from the information in the forums like they can build a Hammerhead PI from Carl's instructions.

When I look at your posts about building LRLs, you do not show complete schematics for us to make the same locator you show in your hand. you only show general theories of how it could be done. These theories do not allow us to build a working copy of the locator you show us in your hand, or find the treasure like you show us in your hand. Only the complete construction details will show us how to build a locator to work the same as the locator you show in your hand finding treasure.

There is no complete schematic with coil details and tuning instructions for any electronic LRL in any Geotech forum.

Best wishes,
J_P


I Agree:):):)

[Esteban]

I Agree:):):)

Do you have finished or not the project with your coil implementation regarding the schematic posted on RS forum?

Exist or not the schematic? Is workable or not? If isn't workable, do you believe was well copied from the info provided by Morgan?

So, exist or no exist the schematic and the device?

[J_Player]

Exist or not the schematic? Is workable or not? If isn't workable, do you believe was well copied from the info provided by Morgan?

So, exist or no exist the schematic and the device?The schematic can be found if a reader searched for several hours through the photos and schematics with errors to produce a good schematic of the circuit board only. This schematic is not complete because there is no information of how to connect many wires to the coils, no information of what wire size to use for coils or how many turns, or if we need to provide taps in the coils. So this schematic is not complete. Nobody can build the Morgan pistol detector unless he has the missing coil information.

We already know from building conventional metal detectors that each detector requires a coil that is made to work with the electronics for the detector. We cannot switch coils from one machine to another and expect good results. There are many different coil types that require different inductance and resistance for each detector. Sometimes 2 or more coils are required. Anyone who spends hours trying to find every error in the LRL circuit, then guesses at the coil to attach will not be building the same detector that Morgan showed.

So my answer is no. There is not a workable schematic for building the Morgan pistol detector.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Esteban]

The schematic can be found if a reader searched for several hours through the photos and schematics with errors to produce a good schematic of the circuit board only. This schematic is not complete because there is no information of how to connect many wires to the coils, no information of what wire size to use for coils or how many turns, or if we need to provide taps in the coils. So this schematic is not complete. Nobody can build the Morgan pistol detector unless he has the missing coil information.

We already know from building conventional metal detectors that each detector requires a coil that is made to work with the electronics for the detector. We cannot switch coils from one machine to another and expect good results. There are many different coil types that require different inductance and resistance for each detector. Sometimes 2 or more coils are required. Anyone who spends hours trying to find every error in the LRL circuit, then guesses at the coil to attach will not be building the same detector that Morgan showed.

So my answer is no. There is not a workable schematic for building the Morgan pistol detector.

Best wishes,
J_P

I have notice that Geo build it, but coil implementation seems he mantain in secret!

Of course, you'll need several hours for to correct errors, trial and errors system for the coil, but this is normal when you copy a schematic and don't be sure # of wire, windings, etc. So, this is not reason for to conclude this isn't workable. If you copy a detector and don't know about his coils, insert your own errors, etc., this is other problem. Morgan insist strongly that the detector works and many in forum believe in Morgan's words.

[J_Player]

I have notice that Geo build it, but coil implementation seems he mantain in secret!Geo's coil implementation is only his guess. It cannot be the same as the Morgan detector unless he took apart Morgan's pistol and counted the wire sizes and turns from all the coils in the head. Whatever Geo built is NOT the same Morgan pistol detector that Morgan insists strongly works. Even Geo would agree that it is not the same.

I have notice Esteban built many pistol detectors, but coil implementation and circuit implementation seems he maintain in secret!

Best wishes,
J_P

[Fred]

I have notice Esteban built many pistol detectors, but coil implementation and circuit implementation seems he maintain in secret!Best wishes,
J_P

Exactly!,
So no wonder people find dificult to believe or not that it works.
Fred.

[roberts]

What was that? Swearing on spanish...!?!?:nono:

Aint no secrets in bogus and fake devices. Everything is fake.
When pounded in a poky corner, mouse starts to bite everybody!
Ha,ha,ha!:D
I see deep flurry here! It is not only Roberts any more asking for
proofs, now other people started to ask. Finally!:D
Finally we got here few very clever and smart people.
You cant always plead your lies with Roberts's guilts here.
Yes i am very same man used RObert and Sony nick in the past.
What's new in your "smart" discovery? Already all knew that.
At the time i shared RObert nick with 4 other people from my
company. Sony nick was started by somebody else and later i
used it few times. Idea was to provoke some mebers here to
ramped out from usuall bs claims and lies. People well known
here also.
But i lost control under that nick (RObert) and few other guys
missused it and started to exaggerate in dirty language and
offends. I was absent for 2 months and when returned i just
nailed terrible situation here.RObert was public enemy No 1!?!?:angry:
I tried to calm down that but without succes. Harm was done and
RObert was banned! Although i still think administrator made small
mistake by not done same with few other members here. But it is
never to late.You still have enought time to show your real "face".
I can see you! I know you! You can't hide!:nono::D
Second...yes diploma was real and original.It was not my guilt cose
it is international diploma and easilly can be founded and downloaded
from internet.It was pretty wild and rare coincidence that you
just pounce on it surfing arround. But i have news for you; it is
not only one diploma. i have 2 more!:D
I have one doctorate and 2 magistrates.Real. Earned.:(
Man can ask, why the hell some "doctor of science" waste his precious
and noble time here on this low level public forum instead spending
same time in "clouds". I will answer you this also; all my life i was
struggled and fought against lies,frauds and fakes.
At some point in my life i reached level when i have nothing to be fear
of any more. I stepped in second half of my life when most of existential
problems are very well solved.Now i have enough money and dont need to work
very hard, every day to survive. I found this place as very relaxative for
me in my spare time between jobs and projects. EM is my favorite in physics
and i stepped here to read and see all possible aspects of its practical use
in this very nice hobby - metal detecting.:)
But i never expected here to find terrible lies and frauds like outdoor in
real world!?? It was horror for me when realized!
I must pay tribute to administrator for splendid idea. Idea was (ask him if you
think i am wrong) to gather various people here on strictly friendly bases, sort
of club.People here could share ideas,knowledge and spread friendship.
Splendid idea. This should stay that way. This shouldnt been poluted at all.
But you and few of your "brothers" poluted it hardly!
Between all of you, you Esteban was least "ugly" so far. But as Hung and few others
totally lost this "war" only you left, and now all the pressure is on you.
You are the last one.
You will loose too. Pretty soon.Or you must change.You must step up here and
admit the truth. You must excuse to all members here and admit your lies.
There is no working LRL.Not! All LRL "devices" showed so far here on this
forum are fakes and bogus.Neither one is workable.This is ultimate truth!
ANker,Tesoro's,White's,Sturms,Fishers,Minelabs, Cscopes,BH's,Compass's,Pulse Stars
and all other are proven as workable. But neither one LRL! How come!?
LRL is pathological human problem. Hardly cureable if not at all.
Instead answering right questions here you are defending your attitude by asking
for my identity. Trying to discredit me. Who am i, why am i so important?
Do you think if discredit me totally you will prove that your LRL is workable?
All of the sudden the rest of members will start to beleive your nonsences?
Of course not. With or without me, fact is that aint no workable LRL on this
world.
Prove that or retreive.
My identity is not important at all.I am simple human, bones,skin and blood, same as
you, same as any other here. I cant show my identity due professional contracts i signed
and very important obligations i do still have. Once i get retired i will
say my full name here. But you must wait for 9 years more.
I am not allowed to use my lap top,even, here. It is company lap top.
So if you tried to trace me you'll find out only backbone IP. Dead end.
I am using very often a connection and pc from my friends. That's why you
"discovered" that i am this man or that man or God only knows who!? Ha,ha,ha!:razz:
About my contributions here; oh yes i done enough here under few other nicks (not
Sony and RObert). I gave here few good things, later used by many members.
It is pleasure when i see people are satisfied and happy with my designs.
That's all i wanted.I dont have strong ego to say "that's my...i designed that".
I am especially happy to see you using my designs also!Ha,ha,ha! You are not awared
at all about what am i talking here..!? Ha,ha,ha,ha!
You will stay uninformed for some time more. Ha,ha,ha,ha!!!
I do enjoy in this, for real!:lol::lol::lol::lol:
But this is not really important.
Important is to stop with lies and frauds. To stop confusing people here.
Dont give false hope to youngsters here.
All your "devices", which photos you posted here so far, are bogus and fakes!
You know that, i know that.
I did posted "Iconos" schematics here with purpose to let other to see "big secrert"
and also to let them to decide about it. Coils are not important at all here. Coils,
antennas...blah,blah...not important at all. Important is to see inside in "secret" device
cose conversant man can cleary see and understand functionallity according to posted
circuitry. Every electrinc enthusiast with basic, esential knowledge can easily see
if some device is real or nonsence according schematic.
Iconos schematic is good example. Absolute nonsence, by all means!
Cant even detect itself!
What contraproofs you want more???
Do you want to speak about mineoro again? Ha,ha,ha,ha!
Already disected by Carl and few others.Already proved as totall fake!
Everything about mineoro already posted and sayed many times. Photos,proofs everything!
What else do you want? Wanna talk about Zahori???Ha,ha,ha,ha!!!:lol:
Ranger Teller...?? Ha,ha,ha,ha!!!:lol:
Electroscopes...??? Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha!!!:lol:
Gravitator...??? Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha!!!:lol:
Omnitron....ppfffffhahahahahahah!!!!:lol:
Are you such short memory!? Dont you rememer all the shame already exposed here on
various LRL "secrets"....ionic chamber!? Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha!!!!:lol:
Now, this time you hooked up to radio???!!! Pffffffha,ah,ah,hhahahahah!!!!:lol:
Well....radio is my life, occupation,money...everything!
I work for 25 years as doctor of radio. I know all about radio waves, what is
possible to know. And than you came here and dare to confront my opinion..!???:razz::lol:
Ha,ah,hhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!!!! !!!!:lol:
No, really...what is enough i enough! I cant stand this any more.... :lol::lol::lol:

[roberts]

Usted es muy estúpido yo tiene amigo que entiende español muy bien !
Puedo leer y escribir a español también !
Puedo batirle en español también...:lol::lol::lol::lol:

[J_Player]

Originally posted by Esteban:
I can locate with simple methods

Originally posted by Roberts:
There is no working LRL.Not! All LRL "devices" showed so far here on this forum are fakes and bogus.It seems to me that a full schematic with coil details and tuning instructions would allow us to build a LRL to test and prove whether Esteban is correct, or if the "doctor of electronics" is correct about finding long-time buried metal.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Esteban]

What was that? Swearing on spanish...!?!?:nono:

Aint no secrets in bogus and fake devices. Everything is fake.
When pounded in a poky corner, mouse starts to bite everybody!
Ha,ha,ha!:D
I see deep flurry here! It is not only Roberts any more asking for
proofs, now other people started to ask. Finally!:D
Finally we got here few very clever and smart people.
You cant always plead your lies with Roberts's guilts here.
Yes i am very same man used RObert and Sony nick in the past.
What's new in your "smart" discovery? Already all knew that.
At the time i shared RObert nick with 4 other people from my
company. Sony nick was started by somebody else and later i
used it few times. Idea was to provoke some mebers here to
ramped out from usuall bs claims and lies. People well known
here also.
But i lost control under that nick (RObert) and few other guys
missused it and started to exaggerate in dirty language and
offends. I was absent for 2 months and when returned i just
nailed terrible situation here.RObert was public enemy No 1!?!?:angry:
I tried to calm down that but without succes. Harm was done and
RObert was banned! Although i still think administrator made small
mistake by not done same with few other members here. But it is
never to late.You still have enought time to show your real "face".
I can see you! I know you! You can't hide!:nono::D
Second...yes diploma was real and original.It was not my guilt cose
it is international diploma and easilly can be founded and downloaded
from internet.It was pretty wild and rare coincidence that you
just pounce on it surfing arround. But i have news for you; it is
not only one diploma. i have 2 more!:D
I have one doctorate and 2 magistrates.Real. Earned.:(
Man can ask, why the hell some "doctor of science" waste his precious
and noble time here on this low level public forum instead spending
same time in "clouds". I will answer you this also; all my life i was
struggled and fought against lies,frauds and fakes.
At some point in my life i reached level when i have nothing to be fear
of any more. I stepped in second half of my life when most of existential
problems are very well solved.Now i have enough money and dont need to work
very hard, every day to survive. I found this place as very relaxative for
me in my spare time between jobs and projects. EM is my favorite in physics
and i stepped here to read and see all possible aspects of its practical use
in this very nice hobby - metal detecting.:)
But i never expected here to find terrible lies and frauds like outdoor in
real world!?? It was horror for me when realized!
I must pay tribute to administrator for splendid idea. Idea was (ask him if you
think i am wrong) to gather various people here on strictly friendly bases, sort
of club.People here could share ideas,knowledge and spread friendship.
Splendid idea. This should stay that way. This shouldnt been poluted at all.
But you and few of your "brothers" poluted it hardly!
Between all of you, you Esteban was least "ugly" so far. But as Hung and few others
totally lost this "war" only you left, and now all the pressure is on you.
You are the last one.
You will loose too. Pretty soon.Or you must change.You must step up here and
admit the truth. You must excuse to all members here and admit your lies.
There is no working LRL.Not! All LRL "devices" showed so far here on this
forum are fakes and bogus.Neither one is workable.This is ultimate truth!
ANker,Tesoro's,White's,Sturms,Fishers,Minelabs, Cscopes,BH's,Compass's,Pulse Stars
and all other are proven as workable. But neither one LRL! How come!?
LRL is pathological human problem. Hardly cureable if not at all.
Instead answering right questions here you are defending your attitude by asking
for my identity. Trying to discredit me. Who am i, why am i so important?
Do you think if discredit me totally you will prove that your LRL is workable?
All of the sudden the rest of members will start to beleive your nonsences?
Of course not. With or without me, fact is that aint no workable LRL on this
world.
Prove that or retreive.
My identity is not important at all.I am simple human, bones,skin and blood, same as
you, same as any other here. I cant show my identity due professional contracts i signed
and very important obligations i do still have. Once i get retired i will
say my full name here. But you must wait for 9 years more.
I am not allowed to use my lap top,even, here. It is company lap top.
So if you tried to trace me you'll find out only backbone IP. Dead end.
I am using very often a connection and pc from my friends. That's why you
"discovered" that i am this man or that man or God only knows who!? Ha,ha,ha!:razz:
About my contributions here; oh yes i done enough here under few other nicks (not
Sony and RObert). I gave here few good things, later used by many members.
It is pleasure when i see people are satisfied and happy with my designs.
That's all i wanted.I dont have strong ego to say "that's my...i designed that".
I am especially happy to see you using my designs also!Ha,ha,ha! You are not awared
at all about what am i talking here..!? Ha,ha,ha,ha!
You will stay uninformed for some time more. Ha,ha,ha,ha!!!
I do enjoy in this, for real!:lol::lol::lol::lol:
But this is not really important.
Important is to stop with lies and frauds. To stop confusing people here.
Dont give false hope to youngsters here.
All your "devices", which photos you posted here so far, are bogus and fakes!
You know that, i know that.
I did posted "Iconos" schematics here with purpose to let other to see "big secrert"
and also to let them to decide about it. Coils are not important at all here. Coils,
antennas...blah,blah...not important at all. Important is to see inside in "secret" device
cose conversant man can cleary see and understand functionallity according to posted
circuitry. Every electrinc enthusiast with basic, esential knowledge can easily see
if some device is real or nonsence according schematic.
Iconos schematic is good example. Absolute nonsence, by all means!
Cant even detect itself!
What contraproofs you want more???
Do you want to speak about mineoro again? Ha,ha,ha,ha!
Already disected by Carl and few others.Already proved as totall fake!
Everything about mineoro already posted and sayed many times. Photos,proofs everything!
What else do you want? Wanna talk about Zahori???Ha,ha,ha,ha!!!:lol:
Ranger Teller...?? Ha,ha,ha,ha!!!:lol:
Electroscopes...??? Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha!!!:lol:
Gravitator...??? Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha!!!:lol:
Omnitron....ppfffffhahahahahahah!!!!:lol:
Are you such short memory!? Dont you rememer all the shame already exposed here on
various LRL "secrets"....ionic chamber!? Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha!!!!:lol:
Now, this time you hooked up to radio???!!! Pffffffha,ah,ah,hhahahahah!!!!:lol:
Well....radio is my life, occupation,money...everything!
I work for 25 years as doctor of radio. I know all about radio waves, what is
possible to know. And than you came here and dare to confront my opinion..!???:razz::lol:
Ha,ah,hhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!!!! !!!!:lol:
No, really...what is enough i enough! I cant stand this any more.... :lol::lol::lol:

You're the only I know that with all supossed doctorates and bla, bla can't design nothing.

And yes, mister, you download "your" diploma from internet! :lol:

Proof your doctorate and magistrate! :lol: IN LIE!!!

You're pure liar. The schematic you posted isn't Iconos... please...:nono:

And not similar...

I insist, there are many kinds of electronic LRL, and you, with your "doctorate" (big lie) and "magistrate" (more big lie) can't design a workable LRL. OK? So you're not able. Sure!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Esteban]

Usted es muy estúpido yo tiene amigo que entiende español muy bien !
Puedo leer y escribir a español también !
Puedo batirle en español también...:lol::lol::lol::lol:


Es muy seguro que la estupidez usted la tiene ganada desde el dÃ*a de su nacimiento. Por lo tanto, usted es el campeón de la estupidez, el Nº 1, masterado, doctorado y magistrado en estupidez. :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Esteban]

Usted es muy estúpido yo tiene amigo que entiende español muy bien !
Puedo leer y escribir a español también !
Puedo batirle en español también...:lol::lol::lol::lol:

Grammar Police, help!!!

[Fred]

"Man who thinks he know everything
cannot learn a thing"

Could be a proverb but i just made it up.:razz:
Fred.

[Esteban]

"Man who thinks he know everything
cannot learn a thing"

Could be a proverb but i just made it up.:razz:
Fred.

I'm not the person who claim that know everything.

Just for the supossed doctorate and magistrate, "Dr. in radio" :eek: :eek: :eek:, ¡¡¡este tipo está volado con marihuana de baja calidad!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Fred]

I'm not the person who claim that know everything.

Just for the supossed doctorate and magistrate, "Dr. in radio" :eek: :eek: :eek:, ¡¡¡este tipo está volado con marihuana de baja calidad!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:


I know Esteban, was not for you...:razz:
...Tambien pensé lo mismo ...pero escribo "marijuana" :p :lol:
Fred.

[Clondike Clad]

If you have a working LRL Show us a circuit so we can test it.
Don't just show a coin found at 30 meters( over 90 feet).
COINS at 30 meters sound like a lie to me.
Show a simple circuit that can be build and tested tested.
I can build a simple metal detector and it will work.
Why can't we build a LRL that will work????????????????????????
Why can't the wave or signal given gold or diamonds be detected.
Are the LRL builders the only one who can detect or build the circuits
ALL I WANT IS THE CIRCUIT AND WAVE FROM GOLD OR DIAMONDS.
Zero in on a coin at 30 meters????????????????????????????????????

[J_Player]

How about posting proof and finds with your LRL.
If you find it show it.
Only real proof only please.When Clondike Clad started this thread, he asked for only real proof and photos of the finds. We see photos of finds, but where is the proof?

There are only two ways I know to prove a detector will find a target:
1. Watch someone use the detector to find targets and recover them.
2. Build an identical detector and see if it finds a target.

If a radio engineer says a detector can't work, this is not proof of anything except his opinion. It would not matter if this opinion came from a radio engineer, or a professional dishwasher, or a Nobel Prize laureate. It will remain an opinion until the working of the detector has been observed to be true in fact.

In the case of most metal detectors, we have proof they work when we go to the place where people are using them and watch them recover buried metal targets. In the case of Carl's Hammerhead PI, we have proof it works because we can build it from the instructions he provided, and test it in our own hands to see the proof it works. But in the case of LRLs we have neither of these proofs. An internet forum cannot show proof by watching the owners of a LRL recover treasure. But it can easily show proof by showing the schematics and instructions for building our own copy of the detector and testing it in our own hands. But this proof has never been shown like it has been for many other metal detectors.

So what we have is only opinions about whether the LRLs work. No proof. Robert cannot prove they don't work even if he is absolute ruler of the world, or if he is only a professional dishwasher. The only proof that can be shown in an internet forum is a circuit diagram and coil construction details without errors to let people test for themselves if it works. Without this, there is no proof that a LRL works.

So we see only opinions here, when Clondike Clad asked for real proof.

Best wishes,
J_P

[roberts]

Sometimes is very amusing milling in the mud with pigs!:lol::lol::lol:
I made syntax and logic error and provoked everybody here to hate me, it is in human nature to adopt certain antagonism upon somebody better.I understand that, typically human. Remember so many genius people through history? Doesnt mean i am genius, of course!:lol::lol::lol:
Of course i am not a man who knows everything! Aint such man at all.
I mean - comparing to you i know everything about radio.
But never mind...forget it.
What is funny here is fact that you repeating yourself Esteban...:lol::lol::lol:
Think...;you skiped to answer on questions here, you skiped real subject here, and again you want to escape from unpleasant situation by puting me as subject here. Remeber? It was almost the same in the past.:D
No, this time is not Roberts main subject here, no! This time you MUST answer to peoples questions here...or shut up forever and be ashamed.:D
Ignore me and my posts, BUT DO NOT IGNORE J PLAYERS QUESTIONS AND OTHERS QUESTION HERE. What was with offering more solid proofs here?
HA? C'mon Esteban you cant escape any more!:lol::lol::lol:


P.S.
Of course i made gramatical errors...of course. I dont know Spanish at all, i am just improvizing. Same with English, i dont know it very well and mostly i am imporvizing here. But i do know electronic (unlike you) VERY WELL and i can see you improvizing very bad. It is shamefull you to claim 29 years of experience and showing NOTHING MORE here than empty words..:lol::lol::lol:

[roberts]

One more thing; you are right Esteban, i can not make any workable LRL ever!
Only one thing here you are right! Thanks to God!
Of course i never made and i will never make workable LRL - simply cose it is not possible at all.:lol:
But you already know this better than others...right?:lol::lol::lol:

[Geo]

Do you have finished or not the project with your coil implementation regarding the schematic posted on RS forum?

Exist or not the schematic? Is workable or not? If isn't workable, do you believe was well copied from the info provided by Morgan?

So, exist or no exist the schematic and the device?

I finished the LRL BUT without good results. There is a problem with small objects, and it is very astable at critical setting.
And the schematic is not exactly the same. I made a small change to the oscillator, and i try to detect the small pulses more easy......
But as JP said the schematic is not completely without the head.
We need the opposite coil to make it stable, the coil to tune head, the coil to null the head and why not the reflector!!!!!!!!!
Without all these it is not a workable schematic:nono:.

[Geo]

I have notice that Geo build it, but coil implementation seems he mantain in secret!



For another one time the same things.......
Who told you that i keep coil implementation in secret ?????
Are there so many people who interesting for me????

[roberts]

"If a radio engineer says a detector can't work, this is not proof of anything except his opinion. It would not matter if this opinion came from a radio engineer, or a professional dishwasher, or a Nobel Prize laureate. It will remain an opinion until the working of the detector has been observed to be true in fact."

This is very true. I agree. But you have to respect the fact that radio ee has some real background and can claim such claims upon device claimed to be "radio based...blah...blah...lrl".
I already tried to negate existing workable lrl's in the past. But i was not taken seriously cose bad image earned than.
Now Esteban came to my "field" claiming his device is using some radio waves etc. Now i can be more sure and more brave to dare to say it was total bs.
Radio is my "field" for real, beleive you or not. I dont have nothing from are you gonna beleive me or not. Esteban should have same attitude if he is sure in his claims. Obviously he is not. His persistently same behavior leads us to very same conclusions and doubts.
And, now, finally he is trapped in his own words!:lol::lol::lol:
He is defending his position by attacking me instead answering your very sane questions..!? :lol::lol::lol: Like a child!:lol:
Ok..as descent man i will stop with funny bussines here and start to choose words in future. I contibuted much to Esteban's bad mood with my provocations. That was wrong and contraproductive so far.
Esteban i really do not have anything against you. I really do consider you as equal among equals here. You are our fellow member here. I want you to be here in the future also. I want to read your posts, i want to cooperate with you, to share ideas,projects.
I will repeat; yes you are right; i never made any workable lrl in my life. It is true. Dont worry, you are right.
If it is possible you to calm down and show here with some sketches and schematics of your design, i can really help you.I want to help. C'mon test me, give me chance to show all my knowledge upon radio. Give here schematic and ask questions. I will help you to improve it. I will tell you where are your possible mistakes in that design and how to possibly improve it to work better, if it works any.
That would be best way you to show that your device is not imagination and me to show my knowledge i was told so many times about.
Is it fair offer? I think it is.
Do not be affraid - no body will steal your ideas,work. If not me others will be you withess here that you was first to post that design.
Is this fair?
The rest of us are here not only to see and use your knowledge but to help you yo learn more.
So ok, let's shake hands and forget the past. Let's start all over again.
Agree?
:)

[Esteban]

I know Esteban, was not for you...:razz:
...Tambien pensé lo mismo ...pero escribo "marijuana" :p :lol:
Fred.

Yes, both, "marihuana" and "marijuana", are usuals.

Esteban

[Esteban]

The firsts electronic LRL was based on radio, so, is logic to work in this area too.

[putrechigi]

hi to all, a long time ago' I wrote to put a video on youtube of her own tests and searches, for to give test that lrl works, without schemes and popularization of the secret, estebans and geo you can do this for everybody and to reduce the polemics?

[Esteban]

"Post photo of your LRL project?"

"Post proof of working LRL"

"Post O scope of signal from gold or diamond"

From my part, was an error to respond many questions through many years. I'll try in the future post just the necessary (regarding explanations), few text.

Regards

Esteban

[Fred]

"Post photo of your LRL project?" I'll try in the future post just the necessary (regarding explanations), few text.Regards
Esteban
Hi Esteban,
I think this is what you have done , just to post as few information as possible.The question is : for what? maybe you need some information or something, i suggest you just say what you would like to know or are trying to discover.
In fact i think if your position could be more clear everyone here would understand better about this subject, and we would avoid all this loss of temper and time :)
regards,
Fred.

[roberts]

hi to all, a long time ago' I wrote to put a video on youtube of her own tests and searches, for to give test that lrl works, without schemes and popularization of the secret, estebans and geo you can do this for everybody and to reduce the polemics?

No that would prove nothing. Camera can cover lrl and behind camera another man can produce sounds....:lol:
"they" already done simillar frauds before...

[Leto]

Wich kind of proof? The only I have are hundreds pics since the 70's... I have posted here many... What do you want? Do you can see or you're blind? Can you remember? If not, your memory is very bad!!! Here with a dirty silver coin found at 30 meters of the detector... This was in 1988. Of course, for persons as Roberts and others the only common objects are the cows in the pic. :lol::lol::lol:

Now, Roberts, post your finds with electronic LRL.:lol::lol::lol: Obvious, you can't!!! Be happy like me!!! This is real experience of life!!!

Hi Esteban,
I think what you need are more earthly pictures...
Why not posting pictures of coins and other finds still sitting in ground (>in situ<)..
You should document whole excavation process not only Esteban-triumfant.
None of the below finds were find with MDs or LRLs but just with digging - maybe this is the technology behind LRLs :rolleyes:.

[J_Player]

From my part, was an error to respond many questions through many years. I'll try in the future post just the necessary (regarding explanations), few text.Hi Esteban,
No text is necessary to show proof. Only an image file to show complete schematic with coil and component values is needed for proof that Clondike Clad asked for.

Best wises,
J_P

[Esteban]

Hi Esteban,
I think what you need are more earthly pictures...
Why not posting pictures of coins and other finds still sitting in ground (>in situ<)..
You should document whole excavation process not only Esteban-triumfant.
None of the below finds were find with MDs or LRLs but just with digging - maybe this is the technology behind LRLs :rolleyes:.

Leto, nice find!

I have posted sequences on Geotech. But in mytemp.dir.com no available today.
http://www.thunting.com/geotech/forums/showthread.php?t=12145&highlight=crest (http://www.thunting.com/geotech/forums/showthread.php?t=12145&highlight=crest)

Also have many sequences since the 70's black and white, in USA, finds, in labo, etc., almost complete history of this, no tricks here. Sorry if I register mine and collects of others TRIUMPHANTS, simple people in this part of the world, for them is some normal saw this kind of detection. Occurs that the globalization permits the possibility for to show this, today. Can't post all the sequences and inmense quantity of this singular electronic LRL history, because wish to put in a book (maybe electronic book in pdf format in DVD).

Here a sequence in zip, witnesses was the landlords, year 2007. Pics was resized for the imposition of limits in size.

Regards

Esteban

[Esteban]

Some days ago I start to charge some pics in Orkut. This is with inmense possibility for to share information. I wish to create a community.

Regards

Esteban

[J_Player]

Hi Esteban,
These are very nice photos of the history of your treasure hunting. You have done very well to show photos of finds like Clondike Clad asked for. If you take all your photos, you can make a very nice book of treasure hunting pictures to read at the living room coffee table -- "la Historia de Tesoros de Alonos, Esteban, y los Amigos". But I don't see the real proof Clondike Clad asked for.

Here is an example of real proof. It shows no photos of treasures, only some instructions for building a detector so anyone can use the same detector to see treasures in their own hand. Real proof: http://geotech.thunting.com/pages/metdet/projects/hammerhead/HHv1p5.pdf

Best wishes,
J_P

[Qiaozhi]

:lol: :razz: :D :???::stars::ninja:

[Qiaozhi]

I did posted "Iconos" schematics here with purpose to let other to see "big secrert"
and also to let them to decide about it. Coils are not important at all here. Coils,
antennas...blah,blah...not important at all. Important is to see inside in "secret" device
cose conversant man can cleary see and understand functionallity according to posted
circuitry. Every electrinc enthusiast with basic, esential knowledge can easily see
if some device is real or nonsence according schematic.
Iconos schematic is good example. Absolute nonsence, by all means!
Cant even detect itself! What contraproofs you want more???:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Did I miss something? :shrug:
What Iconos schematics - where?
It would be interesting to see this nonsense schematic? :???:

[J_Player]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Did I miss something? :shrug:
What Iconos schematics - where?
It would be interesting to see this nonsense schematic? :???:Hi Qiaozhi,
If I am not mistaken, the schematic Robert posted was the amazing Robertoro LRL. This was a static detector with a noise filter, kind of an advanced Zahori. I think this is not the same exact circuit that the Iconos uses. Maybe the Iconos uses coils, because I see no telescoping antenna on the Iconos like the amazing Robertoro.

But where is the amazing Robertoro schematic? It was removed from the forum when the old Robert screen name was banned. Maybe Robert can post the schematic for this amazing Robertoro so we can all build it and see in our own hands if LRLs work to find treasure or not.

Best wishes,
J_P

[detectoman]

esteban, un abrazote para usted, y felicidades por sus logros en la eletronica

detectoman

[Esteban]

Hi Qiaozhi,
If I am not mistaken, the schematic Robert posted was the amazing Robertoro LRL. This was a static detector with a noise filter, kind of an advanced Zahori. I think this is not the same exact circuit that the Iconos uses. Maybe the Iconos uses coils, because I see no telescoping antenna on the Iconos like the amazing Robertoro.

But where is the amazing Robertoro schematic? It was removed from the forum when the old Robert screen name was banned. Maybe Robert can post the schematic for this amazing Robertoro so we can all build it and see in our own hands if LRLs work to find treasure or not.

Best wishes,
J_P

No, was the called "Dilliger". Andreas trust in RObert (also called Sony), today Roberts... but RObert decide to post here himself... Do you can remember?

[Esteban]

esteban, un abrazote para usted, y felicidades por sus logros en la eletronica

detectoman

Gracias Detectoman.

Un fuerte abrazo!!!

[J_Player]

No, was the called "Dilliger".
... Do you can remember?I don't remember. Was this removed when Robert was banned?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Esteban]

Hi Esteban,
These are very nice photos of the history of your treasure hunting. You have done very well to show photos of finds like Clondike Clad asked for. If you take all your photos, you can make a very nice book of treasure hunting pictures to read at the living room coffee table -- "la Historia de Tesoros de Alonos, Esteban, y los Amigos". But I don't see the real proof Clondike Clad asked for.

Here is an example of real proof. It shows no photos of treasures, only some instructions for building a detector so anyone can use the same detector to see treasures in their own hand. Real proof: http://geotech.thunting.com/pages/metdet/projects/hammerhead/HHv1p5.pdf

Best wishes,
J_P

... to read at the living room coffee table -- "la Historia de Tesoros de Alonos, Esteban, y los Amigos".

No, be serious!!! I can't desvinculate the finds and the type of electronic LRL involved in each time can do it. Is a very singular history in MD. Also arrive to USA in 1981 and there are, in Texas, 1,000 witnesses of the finds and detector capability. Also in Garrett factory. This is a proof. Investigate you. USA ex Ambassador in Paraguay was witness (he was in the group) of electronic LRD and of the finds of 108 silver and gold objects and small platinum crowm inserted in the head of a saint image dispersed in an extense battlefield. At each find, he exclaim: "Incredivel! Incredivel!" Think was in 1978.

If nobody wish to accept as part of the proof, I can't do nothing for you. If you forgett all I told about it... And if you forgett all you asked me, and reask... So, you have not real interest in it.

Radio courses, radio-magistrate, radio-doctorate or similar is not in his programs electronic LRL.

Regards

Esteban

[J_Player]

... to read at the living room coffee table -- "la Historia de Tesoros de Alonos, Esteban, y los Amigos".

No, be serious!!! I can't desvinculate the finds and the type of electronic LRL involved in each time can do it. Is a very singular history in MD. Also arrive to USA in 1981 and there are, in Texas, 1,000 witnesses of the finds and detector capability. Also in Garrett factory. This is a proof. Investigate you. USA ex Ambassador in Paraguay was witness (he was in the group) of electronic LRD and of the finds of 108 silver and gold objects and small platinum crowm inserted in the head of a saint image dispersed in an extense battlefield. At each find, he exclaim: "Incredivel! Incredivel!" Think was in 1978.

If nobody wish to accept as part of the proof, I can't do nothing for you. If you forgett all I told about it... And if you forgett all you asked me, and reask... So, you have not real interest in it.This history of your travels to USA and witnessing of officials is exactly what I say is good for your book of treasure history. A book of singular history of the treasures of Esteban and hhis friends -- "La Historia de Tesoros de Alonso, Esteban, y los Amigos". This would be a great book to show all the world photos and tell the stories of your treasure hunting adventures. Nobody has the photos you took, so this would be a new book of the history of LRLs as seen by Esteban. Maybe many people will want to buy this book to keep in their collection.

These photos do not prove that the red pistol detector in your hand will work. They only show photos digging and holding the pistol. But if you want to prove it works, you can read my instruction to make proof in posts above.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Esteban]

I don't remember. Was this removed when Robert was banned?

Best wishes,
J_P

Of course, schematic was posted by Papanic, another alias of RObert, Roberts, Sony and who knows... Why Papanic was banned in the epoch that was banned RObert and Sony, eh? Do you can see? This is the person who wish "tech" me and you and others in radio and "help me" in radio. Tell me!!! Here there are many Roberts supporters...

Start in page 4 with schematics

http://www.thunting.com/geotech/forums/showthread.php?t=13237&page=4

[Esteban]

These photos do not prove that the red pistol detector in your hand will work. They only show photos digging and holding the pistol. But if you want to prove it works, you can read my instruction to make proof in posts above.

Best wishes,
J_P

Who is able to dictate these rules?

[Esteban]

I don't remember. Was this removed when Robert was banned?

Best wishes,
J_P

As I said.

[Esteban]

There are only two ways I know to prove a detector will find a target:
1. Watch someone use the detector to find targets and recover them.
2. Build an identical detector and see if it finds a target.

Best wishes,
J_P

This was exactly with me and other users of this kind of detector, observed by 1,000s, include Ambassador, etc.

So, if you watch the real functionment and recover targets, automatically become in true! But if others claim it, automatically is bogus. This is one of the rules? Nice!!!

[Fred]

Hi Esteban,
Do you know what was so special about dilliger antenna? is this similar to your PD ?
Regards,
Fred.

[J_Player]

Who is able to dictate these rules?Carl dictated the rules for the remote sensing forum. Here are the rules he dictated:
This forum is for the open discussion of either method. Because LRL-oriented forums can quickly degrade into personal conflicts, this forum will be strictly controlled. Rules are still simple:
You must be a registered user to post here. Guests may read.
Be polite. Name calling will get you banned quickly.
Be factual. If you make an extraordinary claim, be prepared to get challenged.In general, try not to take differences of opinions personally.The instructions I give are the same method other people in the Geotech forums use to show how their detectors work. They show schematics and instructions to build their detectors. They do not hide the schematics and coil methods. Only people in remote sensing forum will hide the designs. This causes most watchers to think these detectors cannot be proven to work. When people see detectors that make extraordinary claims then they like to challenge like Carl-NC says .. "be prepared to get challenged".
So, if you watch the real functionment and recover targets, automatically become in true! But if others claim it, automatically is bogus. This is one of the rules? Nice!!!But we cannot watch the real functionment and recover targets like the story from 1981. There is no time machine for us to go back and see the original recovery. But there is the forum for posting the construction details. Then we can build the detector and watch the real functionment and recover targets exactly like the story from 1981. And then the LRL will automatically become in true for all who make the test!

Best wishes,
J_P

[J_Player]

Is a very singular history in MD. Also arrive to USA in 1981 and there are, in Texas, 1,000 witnesses of the finds and detector capability. Also in Garrett factory....
USA ex Ambassador in Paraguay was witness (he was in the group) of electronic LRD and of the finds of 108 silver and gold objects and small platinum crowm inserted in the head of a saint image dispersed in an extense battlefield. At each find, he exclaim: "Incredivel! Incredivel!" Think was in 1978.
...This was exactly with me and other users of this kind of detector, observed by 1,000s, include Ambassador, etc.These are great stories for a picture book with text of the history of treasure hunting and LRLs from Paraguay. It would also be good to hear the story of the gold watch in the factory, and the credit card story. You have many pictures to illustrate this book. I believe if you would make this book then many would buy it for their collection of treasure books.

If you ever decide to make this book of your treasure hunting adventures, then I will be happy to help you make translations to english with perfect grammar that all English speaking people will understand, similar to the magazines in English. I can also help you to improve the photos you have. See below:

[roberts]

B.S.

Even now you are not right. You are persistent in twisting facts and truth!?
Ivconic send me that schematic by email. After a while i decided to post it and that is all.

[roberts]

"Radio courses, radio-magistrate, radio-doctorate or similar is not in his programs electronic LRL..."

Hey Esteban..it seems you miss me much. Everytime i decide to let this subject and leave you to continue with your nonsences, you just continue with peaking!?
You must have huge problem being laic but not educated? Why?
Instead answering so many questions here, you are posting things nobody asked you to do?

OK, you do not respect me - it is obvious. But you also do not respect JPlayer,QUiaozhi and others here. They asking you very same question too, many times. You are stll here, talking stupid talks without giving proper answers.

All your photos (very stupid yoyo photos) are not proving a thing here.
Can't you understand???
I offered you cooperation here. I offered you piece. Again, c'mon post some real thing and ask questions, prove that i am not right.

Y O U C A N T ! Your devices are huge nonsence! B O G U S !
You just continue what Hung started - same old nonsences.

Like i said; you are twisting facts here constantly, Antreas send schematics to Ivconic on observation. Since Ivconic learned all about radio waves from me, naturally he send me schematics to see and say my opinion.
I observed those carefully and told Ivconic same as i posted here - those are nonsence, bogus..
But i made mistake, i posted those here without consulting Ivconic, should i or should i not.
Later i had problems with Ivconic upon those. He was pissed off much.
But i do not have regrets. For the first time here, members had oportunity to see REAL LRL schematics, although bogus and non workable, yet those calimed to be real working LRL.
Since you Esteban are absolute electronicaly illiterate, obviously you cant distinguish between schematic which make some sence and nonsences.
Stop anoying me by attackung here, instead be polite and ask here for help and you will learn something in electronics, for the first time in your wasted life - 29 years of locating coins at 4-800 meters!!!:lol::lol::lol:
You must contact Steven Spielberg and tell him your lifestory. He might make SF movie upon it!:rolleyes::lol:

[Esteban]

These are great stories for a picture book with text of the history of treasure hunting and LRLs from Paraguay. It would also be good to hear the story of the gold watch in the factory, and the credit card story. You have many pictures to illustrate this book. I believe if you would make this book then many would buy it for their collection of treasure books.

If you ever decide to make this book of your treasure hunting adventures, then I will be happy to help you make translations to english with perfect grammar that all English speaking people will understand, similar to the magazines in English. I can also help you to improve the photos you have. See below:

Thanks very much.

I think in a book with no much text, many pics, some block diagramms, etc.

[Esteban]

Carl dictated the rules for the remote sensing forum. Here are the rules he dictated:
The instructions I give are the same method other people in the Geotech forums use to show how their detectors work. They show schematics and instructions to build their detectors. They do not hide the schematics and coil methods. Only people in remote sensing forum will hide the designs. This causes most watchers to think these detectors cannot be proven to work. When people see detectors that make extraordinary claims then they like to challenge like Carl-NC says .. "be prepared to get challenged".
But we cannot watch the real functionment and recover targets like the story from 1981. There is no time machine for us to go back and see the original recovery. But there is the forum for posting the construction details. Then we can build the detector and watch the real functionment and recover targets exactly like the story from 1981. And then the LRL will automatically become in true for all who make the test!

Best wishes,
J_P

This is in the case a X person decide to win the prize. Also I'm not electronic LRL seller or dealer.

True, you don't watch, but many people in USA (for example, Galveston...) watch. They are witnesses.

[Esteban]

Hi Esteban,
Do you know what was so special about dilliger antenna? is this similar to your PD ?
Regards,
Fred.

Is a combination with coil. Isn't similar.

Regards

Esteban

[Fred]

B.S.

Even now you are not right. You are persistent in twisting facts and truth!?
Ivconic send me that schematic by email. After a while i decided to post it and that is all.


Robert,
I have read the "dilliger" thread.There "papanic" sends the diagram,then you say it is you, after a few posts you say it is not but you give the responsability to another guy, then here you say again it´s you.
What should be believed?
It is not very important per se , but i cant understand you have posted a schematic that are not yours and lying about your identity.Was it the last time? :rolleyes:
Fred.

[Fred]

Hi Esteban,
Sorry again i have one question, as you can see i am trying to understand LRL´s:
Is it important that you use a wooden enclosure instead of metallic? Maybe you could avoid interferences if using shielded box, like in many RF application?
Regards,
Fred.

[Esteban]

Hi Esteban,
Sorry again i have one question, as you can see i am trying to understand LRL´s:
Is it important that you use a wooden enclosure instead of metallic? Maybe you could avoid interferences if using shielded box, like in many RF application?
Regards,
Fred.

I think is better metalic, but based on iron. Iron plate in the box think stop better the interferences than aluminium, for example.

[Fred]

I think is better metalic, but based on iron. Iron plate in the box think stop better the interferences than aluminium, for example.
Ok Esteban,
This is unusual, normally the better the conductive properties the best for screening : aluminium, copper, silver(plated) then gold :)
So you made them in wood because you didn´t have the right size enclosure?
thanks,
Fred.

[Max]

I think is better metalic, but based on iron. Iron plate in the box think stop better the interferences than aluminium, for example.

Hi,
maybe metallic is better...

But what about magnetic circuit you create with iron box ?
Doesn't it influence any signal coupling with coils etc ??? :rolleyes:

Kind regards,
Max

[roberts]

Robert,
I have read the "dilliger" thread.There "papanic" sends the diagram,then you say it is you, after a few posts you say it is not but you give the responsability to another guy, then here you say again it´s you.
What should be believed?
It is not very important per se , but i cant understand you have posted a schematic that are not yours and lying about your identity.Was it the last time? :rolleyes:
Fred.


Ha,ha,ha,ha!!! Pretty confusing! Isn't it?:lol::lol::lol:

What should be beleived? Good question! Right question! You should ask yourself more often that question, especially here, in this thread, dealing with this subject - lrl"radio" or whatever it is.
I posted schematic that are not my...how sweet! Let's count here ont this forum, how many people posted schematics that are not theirs!
Lying....Am i lying!? I do hide my real identity behind Roberts nick. You are using Fred nick. Can i say that you are lying here about your identity!?
Of course not. Nicks are that for here. There are few pepople here using their names in nicks. Carl Moreland,Sean Goddard, Ivconic(Ivica Conic), Okan (Okan Aydin), Esteban (Esteban Cabrera).....right now i cant remeber anybody else. So according to you all others here are lying about identity? Ha? I dont think so.
I dont see a reason why are you measuring and testing every of my words and at the same time you are ready to take every Esteban's word as ultimate truth? Why?
You want to beleive in his claims? Go, who's stoping you?
Dont say i am liar, this offends me much. Cose i never...and i will repeat again; i never posted neither one lie here. And you better beleive me.
If you dont, thats your problem not my. But do not say that here.
Again this will go in wrong direction. We keep forgeting main subject here.
Main subject of this thread.
You better stop worry about Roberts, and start thinking about Esteban's claims. Start asking from him some proofs. Or you are just ready to accept evrything from him without any doubts? It seems that way...

[Esteban]

Ok Esteban,
This is unusual, normally the better the conductive properties the best for screening : aluminium, copper, silver(plated) then gold :)
So you made them in wood because you didn´t have the right size enclosure?
thanks,
Fred.

Maybe because here in South America we have many wood. But some pistol has metalic enclosure, just the pink of the pic I was posted.

Regards

Esteban

[Esteban]

Hi,
maybe metallic is better...

But what about magnetic circuit you create with iron box ?
Doesn't it influence any signal coupling with coils etc ??? :rolleyes:

Kind regards,
Max

Hi Max

Yes, you're right! Very important this! Just you mount the coil (in this case BFO + coil + circuit and RF circuit in the box made with wood ) and adjust after you fixed ALL the metalic pieces, include metalic box, screws, cables, also batteries, etc. Note that batteries and other metalic parts are near the coil, no as classical MD, in wich case coil/coils are far to metalic parts. This is very important to know for to design and adjust.

The same if you build a system based on I/B. See the pic.

Regards

Esteban

[Fred]

Hi Max
Yes, you're right! Very important this! Just you mount the coil (in this case BFO + coil + circuit and RF circuit in the box made with wood ) and adjust after you fixed ALL the metalic pieces, include metalic box, screws, cables, also batteries, etc. Note that batteries and other metalic parts are near the coil, no as classical MD, in wich case coil/coils are far to metalic parts. This is very important to know for to design and adjust.The same if you build a system based on I/B. See the pic.
Regards
Esteban
That could be one more point to use metallic enclosure, so as long as position of enclosure is fixed batteries boards wires etc don´t matter any more, as they are inside .
About performances,any difference between wodd and metal?
Regards,
Fred.

[Esteban]

That could be one more point to use metallic enclosure, so as long as position of enclosure is fixed batteries boards wires etc don´t matter any more, as they are inside .
About performances,any difference between wodd and metal?
Regards,
Fred.

Metal is better for to reject interference. Also my idea is to put batteries in metal sub-box, and cables of batteries shielded, seems extrange, but maybe interference also filtrates in long batteries lines. So, there are many considerations.

I built the EPE "Magnetic field detector" by Andy Flind. I change the common transformer by spiral coil and both pass electrolitic by ceramic for to stop the very low frequencies. Remember, the capacitors in inputs are the first filter. I put this in metal box, very different if you build in wood box. Metalic box is very better in this circuit.

Don't know why, you obtain strong signals in inland in X type of terrain, not causes by treasures, maybe teluric currents? Is rare, but occurs.

With some modifications this is a medium range MD. If you put many turns, for example, this is a spiral of 15 cm diameter, tends to catch since rifle cartridge. But if you build in toroid core 1.7 or 2 ohms and appropiate aluminium rectangular antenna, this filtrates much the bronze and comes silver, for example.

[Fred]

Robert,
I was referring to this :
Esteban, stop being smart ***! Papanic is not Me (RObert). I am not Papanic.As far as i know, Papanic is Ioannis Papanikolau from Cyprus,EE, RF. My college.Already met him couple times on seminars! I dont know his intereset about decision to post that schematic here and i dont give a **** about it. (etc...)
then:
yes i have and you and antreas dont!
i dont give you nothing!
this schema is not lrl, is something else!
antreas steal but not understand it! ha,ha,ha,ha!
you also not understand it ha,ha,ha,ha!
yeas i am robert, so what!

And don´t worry about what i believe .It is precisely because i am listening to everyone and asking myself where is the truth that i posted this question to you.I am not taking anyone word as truth ,but some are consistent in their claims and others not...

Look at the situation:Esteban says he has built a device that works.He is not telling how he made it or how it works.
You say it is BS. but you dont backup your afirmation either.So i have no reason to believe you,more than anyone else talking about LRL.
Without tecnhical backup it´s just words.
At the beginning i was much more skeptical about this kind of LRL.Then i have observed and learnt.What can i say? i am less skeptical....that´s all.

Fred.

[J_Player]

Originally posted by Esteban
Who is able to dictate these rules?
Originally posted by J_Player
Carl dictated the rules for the remote sensing forum.
Originally posted by Esteban
This is in the case a X person decide to win the prize. Also I'm not electronic LRL seller or dealer.No, this is not rules for people looking to win the prize or manufacturers. These are rules for all people who want to use the remote sensing forum. You can read here... http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/showthread.php?t=10529
The term "remote sensing" is used to describe scientifically viable methods of detecting geophysical anomalies from a distance. It is also used to describe the less scientific method of "long-range locating", which is engulfed in controversy.

This forum is for the open discussion of either method. Because LRL-oriented forums can quickly degrade into personal conflicts, this forum will be strictly controlled. Rules are still simple:
You must be a registered user to post here. Guests may read.
Be polite. Name calling will get you banned quickly.
Be factual. If you make an extraordinary claim, be prepared to get challenged.In general, try not to take differences of opinions personally.

Postings considered to be inflammatory can be reported to Admin by clicking the little red triangle icon at the top of each post. Please use this only when absolutely necessary... I would like to keep this forum as open as possible, and do not care to mediate every conversation.Best wishes,
J_P

[Fred]

I built the EPE "Magnetic field detector" by Andy Flind. I change the common transformer by spiral coil and both pass electrolitic by ceramic for to stop the very low frequencies.
Yes i remember this project, they says it can detect a train several kilometers away.At first i thought it was because of iron mass, but i believe it is because of strong electric field.
You say you detect strong signals "inland", does it mean that you dont have those signals near water?
If i understand well, the problem is that you need a detector sensistive enought to be "long range" and detect small objects, but if you make it too sensitive it detects too much interference and become unusuable, and too dependant of geographical position....
So you try filters and narrowing frequency range just like in good receivers.

Regards,
Fred.

[Esteban]

No, this is not rules for people looking to win the prize or manufacturers. These are rules for all people who want to use the remote sensing forum. You can read here... http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/showthread.php?t=10529
Best wishes,
J_P

I referring this

Quote:
Originally Posted by J_Player http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/showthread.php?p=66752#post66752)
There are only two ways I know to prove a detector will find a target:
1. Watch someone use the detector to find targets and recover them.
2. Build an identical detector and see if it finds a target.

Best wishes,
J_P


The reference was regarding these possibilities, no general rules in Remote Sensing forum.

In reference the possibility # 1, I wacht, I find, I recover... So I fulfilled this part, other history is believe or not believe.

I respect general rules. I can do extraordinary claims, but I don't want the prize, for the moment, no.

Regards

Esteban

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by J_Player
There are only two ways I know to prove a detector will find a target:
1. Watch someone use the detector to find targets and recover them.
2. Build an identical detector and see if it finds a target.

Originally Posted by Esteban
The reference was regarding these possibilities, no general rules in Remote Sensing forum.

In reference the possibility # 1, I wacht, I find, I recover... So I fulfilled this part, other history is believe or not believe.Yes, you fulfilled method 1 only for yourself and people who were at the location in 1981. Nobody else in this forum can take a ride in a time machine to see what you saw. We can only read posts made here. This leaves us with method 2 to prove the LRL works. But we have no proof from method 2 because nobody is capable of posting a complete schematic with instructions to build an identical detector.

There are many people who believe things they saw. Let's take an example: A small child believes Santa clause rides in a flying sled with reindeers, and climbs down the chimney to bring presents at Christmas time. He has seen the proof when he finds presents in the morning after Santa came. Also, the people he trusts, tell him it happened that way.

If we are to believe this child is correct and Santa really does fly in a sled with reindeers, then we will be stupid for not testing to make a copy of this flying sled and go flying just the same as the child tells us Santa does. The child is not lying to us, he really believes all this is true. But he has not provided proof, only some anecdotal stories that cannot be verified.

This is why I showed a method to submit proof without relying on anecdotal storiies. You choose not to give instructions so we can verify the findings you report. There is another way to prove it works without using the forum. Come and demonstrate it in front of people who know where there is long time buried targets. There are many of these places near where the treasure hunters live in the USA. We have the technology to properly document this today. You can also win the Randi proze for $1 million before returning home.

If you choose not to provide any proof that your detectors work, then people will think you are the same as the child who believes Santa flies in a sled. They will not believe it works until they see it working in their own hands.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Esteban]

Yes, you fulfilled method 1 only for yourself and people who were at the location in 1981. Nobody else in this forum can take a ride in a time machine to see what you saw. We can only read posts made here. This leaves us with method 2 to prove the LRL works. But we have no proof from method 2 because nobody is capable of posting a complete schematic with instructions to build an identical detector.

There are many people who believe things they saw. Let's take an example: A small child believes Santa clause rides in a flying sled with reindeers, and climbs down the chimney to bring presents at Christmas time. He has seen the proof when he finds presents in the morning after Santa came. Also, the people he trusts, tell him it happened that way.

If we are to believe this child is correct and Santa really does fly in a sled with reindeers, then we will be stupid for not testing to make a copy of this flying sled and go flying just the same as the child tells us Santa does. The child is not lying to us, he really believes all this is true. But he has not provided proof, only some anecdotal stories that cannot be verified.

This is why I showed a method to submit proof without relying on anecdotal storiies. You choose not to give instructions so we can verify the findings you report. There is another way to prove it works without using the forum. Come and demonstrate it in front of people who know where there is long time buried targets. There are many of these places near where the treasure hunters live in the USA. We have the technology to properly document this today. You can also win the Randi proze for $1 million before returning home.

If you choose not to provide any proof that your detectors work, then people will think you are the same as the child who believes Santa flies in a sled. They will not want to believe it works until they see it working in their own hands.

Best wishes,
J_P

Ho, ho, ho!!! J_P, yes, you're right. Except the photographic evidence I collect, you can check the negative films for specialist for to comprobe isn't a trick... But, maybe I can post a design called "Treasure sensor", for objects medium and big size, in the "other" forum.

Regards

Esteban

[Esteban]

Yes i remember this project, they says it can detect a train several kilometers away.At first i thought it was because of iron mass, but i believe it is because of strong electric field.
You say you detect strong signals "inland", does it mean that you dont have those signals near water?
If i understand well, the problem is that you need a detector sensistive enought to be "long range" and detect small objects, but if you make it too sensitive it detects too much interference and become unusuable, and too dependant of geographical position....
So you try filters and narrowing frequency range just like in good receivers.

Regards,
Fred.

Just because is very sensitive to magnetic interferences, you can't use iron transformer, so if you modificate properly, is another history. Don't know what causes the strong signals in very apparted terrain, very apparted of electrical lines, industries, airports, buildings, etc.

[J_Player]

Ho, ho, ho!!! J_P, yes, you're right. Except the photographic evidence I collect, you can check the negative films for specialist for to comprobe isn't a trick... But, maybe I can post a design called "Treasure sensor", for objects medium and big size, in the "other" forum.OF course the photos show authentic treasures. But they don't prove these treasures were found with the pistol detector. They only show pictures of people with detectors in hand and treasures in hand. I can make similar photos without using any long range treasure machines. Maybe I can make a photo to show a coin in hand, and Robertoro detector in other hand, but Minelabs GPX-4000 metal detector is not shown in photo. Photo does not prove the performance of a metal detector. It only proves that somebody took a picture of the things we see in the image.

If you post a design called "Treasure sensor" that will find treasure farther than a metal detector, then people will be more likely to believe what you say is true and can be verified in their own hands.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Esteban]

OF course the photos show authentic treasures. But they don't prove these treasures were found with the pistol detector. They only show pictures of people with detectors in hand and treasures in hand. I can make similar photos without using any long range treasure machines. Maybe I can make a photo to show a coin in hand, and Robertoro detector in other hand, but Minelabs GPX-4000 metal detector is not shown in photo. Photo does not prove the performance of a metal detector. It only proves that somebody took a picture of the things we see in the image.

If you post a design called "Treasure sensor" that will find treasure farther than a metal detector, then people will be more likely to believe what you say is true and can be verified in their own hands.

Best wishes,
J_P

So, if more people build similar to the "Treasure sensor" and found items, post the pics, etc., automatically will be true...

Also I use and build regular detector for to contrast the detection and for to find the item in the revolved sand. This is not indicative that the medium or long range detector doesn't work. One of the important utility of this kind of detector is: show you the places where items is obstaculized by vegetation, so you "clean" the area for to find the target.

[Fred]

So, if more people build similar to the "Treasure sensor" and found items, post the pics, etc., automatically will be true...

No! they will be suspected and made many questions to see if it is truth.But if a few says the same,some will begin to believe.This is exactly what happened with Morgan.
regards,
Fred.

[J_Player]

So, if more people build similar to the "Treasure sensor" and found items, post the pics, etc., automatically will be true...If people who read the forum today can build a treasure sensor that will find targets at a greater distance than a metal detector (coin at 2 meters), then they will believe. The real proof is if anyone can build a detector according to the plans and find treasure at a greater distance than a metal detector. If all people who build this detector have success, then this is proof that it works to find treasure at long range.

No! they will be suspected and made many questions to see if it is truth.But if a few says the same,some will begin to believe.This is exactly what happened with Morgan.In Morgan's case, nobody built a copy because the details of the coils are not known. So there is no proof from a working detector in our hands.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Fred]

In Morgan's case, nobody built a copy because the details of the coils are not known. So there is no proof from a working detector in our hands.
Yes, but one more person said it work,so more people tend to believe...
Fred.

[J_Player]

Yes, but one more person said it work,so more people tend to believe...
Fred.Some people tend to believe and some people tend to not believe. The fact is there is no proof that we can see in our hands to verify if it is true or not. We must believe the same as the small child believes Santa clause flies in a sled because more than one person tells us it is true.

Best wishes,
J_P

[putrechigi]

OF course the photos show authentic treasures. But they don't prove these treasures were found with the pistol detector. They only show pictures of people with detectors in hand and treasures in hand. I can make similar photos without using any long range treasure machines. Maybe I can make a photo to show a coin in hand, and Robertoro detector in other hand, but Minelabs GPX-4000 metal detector is not shown in photo. Photo does not prove the performance of a metal detector. It only proves that somebody took a picture of the things we see in the image.

If you post a design called "Treasure sensor" that will find treasure farther than a metal detector, then people will be more likely to believe what you say is true and can be verified in their own hands.

Best wishes,
J_P



Hello to everyone ESTEBAN, J.PLAYER ecc... I thought something like this for the prove

http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZhUNbF9RY

[roberts]

Yes, but one more person said it work,so more people tend to believe...
Fred.


I can bet there are even more people; Hung,Dell, Esteban, Morgan, Michael.....probably much,much more.
This is not really important.Same as not important if i dont beleive or not.
Proves nothing - number of beleivers or sceptics.
What is important is to provide here any material proofs.In this case (forum), only "material" would be possibillty to any other (except proponents) have chance to experience himself simillar experiences like ...Esteban in this case.
Only way to do that is Esteban to post here complete design, so others can make it and test it and finally see is it workable or not.
I really do not understand Estebans reason not doing that?
If he want to protect his intelectual achievements - aint no better way but to come here and be the first one ti post complete project. We have here very serious people, later can be very important witness that Esteban was the ONE who started and posted certain project.
Other way to protect it would be patenting in official patent organisation.
Why not doing that?
If it was working device for real, Esteban could earn much more money by selling project to some big company instead keeping it in secret.
He can come here and claim that money is not important or he is not interested in money,bussiness...OK than that should be even bigger argument to post it here and share with other members.
That way Esteban can get rid of any criticism,scepticism and finally make HUGE WIN upon us - sceptics.
I live in Serbia some 5-6 000 kms away from Paraguay. I am not presenting neither smallest threat to his eventual bussines plans.
Most of us the same. So there is not even theoretical reason to keep any project hidden from public, especially here, where supposed to members share knowledge and projects.
So...respecting all of this, especially having this subject on mind,keeping on mind also simillar things in the past, here, man can pull out only one conclusion - device is not workable,bogus,non existing,fairy tale, sweet dream.etc.etc.
Posting tons of photos, claiming funny claims,constantly reversing thesis,attacking every opsed opinion....doesnt look good at all to me.
Rather look simillar to many previous attempts to make break thorugh in public and earn some attention, eventually some money for nothing.
I also noticed one more thing. Except few very rare cases, huge percent of simillar designs mostly came from very same countries located in south America??? How come?
90% of simillar came from that region? Is it coincidence?
I dont think so..!
Saying this i really do not say that something special is going on there, respecting nature phenomenons or simillar.
That region has its own preferences like any other on planet earth, but not so different to special.
I would rather said this must be somehow related to people's minds there.
Culture,religion, habbits, educational pleads etc.etc.
I live in region where people are usually very restive and pugnacious and sceptics :D:razz::p
Among this especiall preference all other preferences are usuall like on any other place on earth.
So dont guess me wrong..i just exposed my observations, collected in time.
I dont think Esteban will change his attitude upon this.
29 years of doing same thing (his words) are not for underestimation, at all.
No matter if he did right thing or wrong..
Only way he can get softer is to give him a time to decide, if he is gonna conintue being member here or maybe is time to left this place and find some better for him..

[Fred]

This is a good example of why a video is no good for proof:This is an excellent example of fake finding, the hole was obviously dig before.
He could have wait one or two days, then it would become impossible to know someone had dig here before.
It looks to me they are well paid to mention the name of the detector.
Regards,
Fred.

[Esteban]

OF course the photos show authentic treasures. But they don't prove these treasures were found with the pistol detector. They only show pictures of people with detectors in hand and treasures in hand. I can make similar photos without using any long range treasure machines. Maybe I can make a photo to show a coin in hand, and Robertoro detector in other hand, but Minelabs GPX-4000 metal detector is not shown in photo. Photo does not prove the performance of a metal detector. It only proves that somebody took a picture of the things we see in the image.

If you post a design called "Treasure sensor" that will find treasure farther than a metal detector, then people will be more likely to believe what you say is true and can be verified in their own hands.

Best wishes,
J_P

Except, I can't auto-lying myself during eons of time and collect the photographic evidence for to lie in the internet in prevention the existence this method of communication and this forum... and main if I'm not seller and I'm don't commerce with it in any manner...

[J_Player]

Except, I can't auto-lying myself during eons of time and collect the photographic evidence for to lie in the internet in prevention the existence this method of communication and this forum... and main if I'm not seller and I'm don't commerce with it in any manner...Also true: A small child does not auto-lying when he takes pictures of Christmas presents 3 consecutive years to prove Santa Claus rides in a flying sled full of presents. Small child is not seller and does not commerce in Christmas presents. But still there are many skeptics who want to see real proof in their hands of this flying sled with presents. Same as forum readers want to see real proof in their hands of LRL finding treasure from longer distance than a metal detector. Not just photographs that do not prove Santa Clause flying sled or LRL finding long distance.

Best wishes,
J_P

[roberts]

It is obvious that you lying everybody else here. It is absolutelly clear.
This saga continues in same old manner.
Just see old threads with simillar subject.
Blah,blah,blah....are all benefits from your posts, nothing else.
So you are photos collector. So what?
You like taking photos from your adventures. You collected huge pile of photos.Ok.Nice.
Doesnt mean we have to be tortured here with your photos. So far as i saw, nobody really gave a s.it about your photos. You are posting your photos here and later enjoy watching them.Funny!
Looks like you intend to post milion more simillar posts with million more funny photos here. Ok, your right to do that (since administrator allowed that kind of uncontrolled behavior), but at least stop telling fairy tles here any more.
I dont need to prove yor lies. I havent started this thread, i havent opened any subject here. You must prove a lot of things cose you started all.

[roberts]

J Player let it be. Just ignore and disregard him from now on.
He survived so far cose we payed some attention on his nonsences.
Once we start to ignore and disregard him, he will disapear very quick.
I give him few days, not more.:D

OK esteban, enjoy your "working" device, be happy. Keep it for your self.
I said many times and many times broke my word, but now is real end. I will never post neither one word refering you and your nonsences any more.
Of course i will ignore everything from you, no matter what you start in future. You will be disregarded permanently. I am the first one to do that, but not the last one.You will see. Goodbye forever. You dont exist any more.:lol:

[J_Player]

If we have a schematic with instructions to build a working LRL then everyone who builds it will see proof in their hands that the LRL works to find treasures at long range. If we see this LRL working like Esteban says to find long range targets, then everyone will believe Esteban is right and Robert is wrong.

If we find treasures from long distance with a LRL in our own hands then we will believe Esteban if he says Robert is not a good radio engineer, and we will believe all stories of Esteban's treasures found with LRLs.

But if we see that there is never a LRL we can use in our own hands to find long range treasures, then we cannot say Robert is a bad engineer of radio. We can only say Esteban wants us to believe from photos, same as children with photos of Christmas presents want us to believe Santa travels in a flying sled.

Does this sound right to you?

Best wishes,
J_P

[roberts]

Roberts is a real doctor of Physics. Roberts did more than a half of his life as professional...
But this is not important any more.
We argued about radio,455kHz,bfo...blah,blah,blah...
I will give you a hint;
watch this...

http://www.diylife.com/2007/11/29/radio-tape-calculator-metal-detector/

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::D:D:D:D:D

[J_Player]

I will give you a hint;
watch this...Dang... It's a RF metal detector! But wait... it does not detect as far as a conventional metal detector. I guess this is not a LRL. Maybe we should call it SRL for short range locating.

Are you the famous radio engineer who designed the AM radio in this SRL? Did you also design the calculator?
I think Ranger Tell stole your idea to sell hundreds of calculators for $799.00 :lol:

Best wishes,
J_P

[roberts]

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

...BFO ( beat frequency oscillator ) principle used in metal detectors could be explained as use of two oscillators, each of which produces a radio frequency. One of these oscillators uses a coil of wire that we call the search loop. The second oscillator uses a much smaller coil of wire, and is usually inside the control box and is called the reference oscillator. By adjusting the oscillators so their frequencies are very nearly the same, the difference between them is made audible as a beat note, this beat note changes slightly when the search loop is moved over or near to a piece of metal. It has been found in practice best to make the search oscillator fixed say at 100khz and to arrange for the reference oscillator to be adjustable 100khz plus or minus 250hz. This gives a beat note of 250hz to 0 to 250hz. The beat note disappears or nulls when the two oscillators are about equal. This type of detector is most sensitive when the beat note is close to zero, about 5hz any slight change being noticeable.Do you find any connection here?
Noe please, return to very begining of this thread, at 1. page, and read all i've being talking about...
Regards!
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: :lol::lol:

[roberts]

No matter how wild you design your "antennas", "search heads" or whatever....do know that coupling with metal object is not possible on more than few inches! So yes, you are right; it is SRL not LRL!:lol::D:razz:

[J_Player]

:cry:

[Seden]

Well now I understand why there hasn't been a post on the RS project forum since 1-23. Too bad as it sure had alot of momentum at the begining. I couldn't keep up with the fast paced posts that were popping up rapid fire.

I'm leary of anything that claims to be an LRL that uses a transmitter instead of just a passive receiver using the existing natural fields.

Having said that if Esteban posted a complete schematic including the details of the antenna and or sensors, I'd probably build it as Estebans about the only person I know of whos been working on LRL's for the past 30 years. I hope he does come out with a book and includes detailed info so the reader can order the parts and sit down and build it.

Randy

[Geo]

I hope he does come out with a book and includes detailed info so the reader can order the parts and sit down and build it.

Randy

Except if details are the same as at RS forum:lol:
Regards

[Esteban]

Except if details are the same as at RS forum:lol:
Regards

Maybe Morgan has not the necessary intrumental, for example, frequencimeter and inductimeter. Also a simple measurement of continuity in the switch for to know properly the different contacts made by the switch...

[Esteban]

Is not my problem if somedy has not photos of his finding or searchs in field, etc. Also this reveals that this kind of person (we know who!!!) isn't metal detectorist or detector constructor or radio constructor or coil winder... etc. This "special" person is very sad for not had this opportunity, this experience. I'm more sad because I causes envy in this guy... Pobrecito!!!

Is the pics tortures somebody (why not!!!), why suffer watching??? Masochism!!!

[Esteban]

We can only say Esteban wants us to believe from photos, same as children with photos of Christmas presents want us to believe Santa travels in a flying sled.
Best wishes,
J_P

If the pistol detector is flying, maybe you are able for to compare with this. Pistol is based on real electronics, on real principles. I respond you many times when we can share impressions seriously.

Regards

Esteban

[J_Player]

I respond you many times when we can share impressions seriously.Impressions is not proof. There are thousands of people in many countries who claim Santa Clause flies in a sled. And more thousands of children who have impression this flying sled is true. But impression of flying sled cannot be used to build a sled for flying to prove it is true or not.

Same way, impression of long range locator cannot be used to build a long range locator to prove it is true or not. Impression is not serious proof of truth of metal detector. Construction plans are serious proof to show if detector will work. Same like Carl-NC shows only construction plans for Hammerhead, no impressions of Hammerhead, because he knows impression will not make proof in the hands of people who read the forum. When the builder of the Hammerhead sees treasure in the place where the Hammerhead shows, then they see proof in their hands. They are happy they have proof, no impression from photos. And they believe when Carl says Hammerhead will find treasure from electrical pulse.

When a person shows only impressions from photos, then it is not serious and and is not proof. People will believe maybe LRL is only true for person with impression, not for other people. Same as Santa Clause flying sled is true only for small child who believes, not for other people.

When people see person only has impressions, but no proof, then maybe they also believe Doctor EE of radio is true because there is only impression to claim it is false, no proof. They know the person who claims Doctor of EE to be false is not a person who will show serious proof, same as small believing child will show only impressions of Santa clause flying in sled, but no proof.

But when people see serious proof, then it is much easier to believe the story told than when they only see photos and impressions.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Esteban]

Impressions is not proof. There are thousands of people in many countries who claim Santa Clause flies in a sled. And more thousands of children who have impression this flying sled is true. But impression of flying sled cannot be used to build a sled for flying to prove it is true or not.

Same way, impression of long range locator cannot be used to build a long range locator to prove it is true or not. Impression is not serious proof of truth of metal detector. Construction plans are serious proof to show if detector will work. Same like Carl-NC shows only construction plans for Hammerhead, no impressions of Hammerhead, because he knows impression will not make proof in the hands of people who read the forum. When the builder of the Hammerhead sees treasure in the place where the Hammerhead shows, then they see proof in their hands. They are happy they have proof, no impression from photos. And they believe when Carl says Hammerhead will find treasure from electrical pulse.

When a person shows only impressions from photos, then it is not serious and and is not proof. People will believe maybe LRL is only true for person with impression, not for other people. Same as Santa Clause flying sled is true only for small child who believes, not for other people.

When people see person only has impressions, but no proof, then maybe they also believe Doctor EE of radio is true because there is only impression to claim it is false, no proof. They know the person who claims Doctor of EE to be false is not a person who will show serious proof, same as small believing child will show only impressions of Santa clause flying in sled, but no proof.

But when people see serious proof, then it is much easier to believe the story told than when they only see photos and impressions.

Best wishes,
J_P

I use an incorrect word. In Spanish impresión also is ideas. So, I translate improperly. Or not?

And the pistols aren't flying... maybe if a phantom do it... maybe a bewitched pistol?

Also I'm sure some persons believe more in ovnis than electronic long range pistols, those are the worst guys!!!

[J_Player]

I use an incorrect word. In Spanish impresión also is ideas. So, I translate improperly. Or not?

And the pistols aren't flying... maybe if a phantom do it... maybe a bewitched pistol?

Also I'm sure some persons believe more in ovnis than electronic long range pistols, those are the worst guys!!!In English, it does not matter if a small child proclaims his impression of Santa Claus, or his ideas of Santa Claus. Nobody will believe him unless he shows them how a sled can fly so they can see with their own eyes.

I did not say pistols are flying. I said your proof of pistols detecting long range is no better than a child's proof that Santa travels in a flying sled. The best proof the child can show us is photos of presents, and his ideas how Santa can fly, and all the thousands of people who agree it is true. The child can not show instructions how we can use a flying sled with our own hands to fly like Santa is claimed.

Your proof is the same. The best you can do is to show photos of treasures and some pistols and tell stories of all the people who say they see it work. But you will never be able to show how anyone else can build this same pistol to use in our own hands like the stories you claimed.

So your method for proof is same as a small child's method for trying to prove Santa travels in a flying sled.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Esteban]

In English, it does not matter if a small child proclaims his impression of Santa Claus, or his ideas of Santa Claus. Nobody will believe him unless he shows them how a sled can fly so they can see with their own eyes.

I did not say pistols are flying. I said your proof of pistols detecting long range is no better than a child's proof that Santa travels in a flying sled. The best proof the child can show us is photos of presents, and his ideas how Santa can fly, and all the thousands of people who agree it is true. The child can not show instructions how we can use a flying sled with our own hands to fly like Santa is claimed.

Your proof is the same. The best you can do is to show photos of treasures and some pistols and tell stories of all the people who say they see it work. But you will never be able to show how anyone else can build this same pistol to use in our own hands like the stories you claimed.

So your method for proof is same as a small child's method for trying to prove Santa travels in a flying sled.

Best wishes,
J_P

I'm referring to share ideas with all here. I'm not a child who believe in Santa and his parafernalia.

Yet for me is a wrong comparisson between Santa in flying sled with the pistol's theme...

Regards

Esteban

[J_Player]

Yet for me is a wrong comparisson between Santa in flying sled with the pistol's theme...A child will also say it is a wrong comparison to say his photos and share ideas of Santa Claus is not proof of working sled that will fly.

The theme is not under question. The method for showing proof that LRL will find treasure at long distance is under question.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Esteban]

A child will also say it is a wrong comparison to say his photos and share ideas of Santa Claus is not proof of working sled that will fly.

The theme is not under question. The method for showing proof that LRL will find treasure at long distance is under question.

Best wishes,
J_P

No. Not the same.

[J_Player]

No. Not the same.Yes. The same.

Your method for showing proof is the same as the method the small child uses for showing proof. --- pictures, stories, talk of examples of other people who say they believe.

Method for proof is the same.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Esteban]

Yes. The same.

Your method for showing proof is the same as the method the small child uses for showing proof. --- pictures, stories, talk of examples of other people who say they believe.

Method for proof is the same.

Best wishes,
J_P

Regarding Santa no. HO-HO-HO!!!

[J_Player]

Regarding Santa no. HO-HO-HO!!!Yes. There is more proof that Santa is a true story than proof Esteban detectors can find treasure long range:

Proof of Esteban's LRL finding treasure long range:
1. Hundreds of photos showing treasure and LRL pictures from over 30 years.
2. More than 100 stories of treasure and people watching from more than 30 years.
3. Hundreds of other people who agree Esteban can find treasure from long range.
4. Some people who also say they also find treasure long range too.
5. No proof from demonstration of finding treasure long range for people here to watch today.
6. No proof from plans for people to build the same LRL and find long range treasure with their own hands same as Esteban stories.

Proof that Santa Clause flies in a sled to deliver presents:
1. Thousands of photos showing Christmas presents and images of Santa Claus from over 80 years.
2. More than 10,000 stories of presents under the Christmas tree from hundreds of years.
3. Millions of other people who also say Santa Clause flies in a sled to deliver presents.
4. Some people who also say they find presents delivered by Santa too.
5. No proof from demonstration of Santa flying his sled for people here to watch today.
6. No proof from plans for people to build the same sled and fly in the sky with rein deers same as Santa stories.

When I look at the proof, it looks like proof for LRL is the same as proof for Santa Claus. Only difference is Santa proof is stronger because more people say he is true.

Maybe it is easier to believe Santa Claus stories than to believe LRLs stories. Think so?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Esteban]

Yes. There is more proof that Santa is a true story than proof Esteban detectors can find treasure long range:

Proof of Esteban's LRL finding treasure long range:
1. Hundreds of photos showing treasure and LRL pictures.
2. More than 100 stories of treasure and people watching.
3. Hundreds of other people who agree Esteban can find treasure from long range.
4. Some people who also say they also find treasure long range too.
5. No proof from demonstration of finding treasure long range for people here to watch today.
6. No proof from plans for people here to build the same LRL and find long range treasure with their own hands.

Proof that Santa Clause flies in a sled to deliver presents:
1. Thousands of photos showing Christmas presents and images of Santa Claus.
2. More than 10,000 stories of presents being recovered under the Christmas tree.
3. Millions of other people who also say Santa Clause flies in a sled to deliver presents.
4. Some people who also say they find presents delivered by Santa too.
5. No proof from demonstration of Santa flying his sled for people here to watch today.
6. No proof from plans for people here to build the same sled and fly in the sky with rein deers same as Santa stories.

When I look at the proof, it looks like proof for LRL is the same as proof for Santa Claus. Only difference is Santa proof is stronger because more people say he is true.

Maybe it is easier to believe Santa Claus stories than to believe LRLs stories. Think so?

Best wishes,
J_P

The most of the person never show the treasures, don't know, but with individual and sparzed items, yes.

And yes, I have pics by other people with the detectors, include militar, and can achieve hundreds from many others, this is just I'm doing: collected pics from others, not only mine. Here born this kind of detector in 1959 (I have the tube original schematic!), maybe based on 1926 USA publication The Radio Gold Explorer, not the same, but principles similar. Now, as we are a nation very closed and only today globalization permits sharing information (just I'm doing this!!! Thanks!!!) to show this, well, sorry if this no satisfy you and others. Sorry if this electronic LRL doesn't born in USA and be produced in mass by detector firms...

This is I have. Also wait from others what they can do.

[J_Player]

only today globalization permits sharing information (just I'm doing this!!! Thanks!!!) to show this, well, sorry if this no satisfy you and others.I like these photos. I don't say they are not satisfying. I only say they do not make scientific proof that LRL can find treasure at long range.

Best wishes,
J_P

[nelson]

Hola Esteban, gusto en saludarte despues de algun tiempo.
Te escribo en español, debido a que me es mas fácil intentar explicar mi opinion relacionada con los detectores de largo alcance.
Sinceramente si creo en que deben funcionar, pero reconozco que hay momentos en que dudo de ello. Sin embargo, siempre tengo presente cosas como por ejemplo, que la energÃ*a sea cual sea, debe trasladarse de alguna manera. Yo con mas de 20 años de radioaficionado, se positivamente que una señal de radio la podemos hacer rebotar en un cerro y asi logra una mejor comunicación que si esta se intentara en forma directa (señal VHF).
Para que esto ocurra, indudablemente necesitamos por ejemplo que el cerro que hara rebotar mi señal, tenga algún lado de material que permita el rebote y esto ocurre generalmente gracias a la mineralización de los cerros, es decir los metales que este contenga. Por lo tanto, si creo es posible por medio de un aparato X, obtener algún tipo de rebote o algo asi y sumado a la velociad de propagación, dependiendo del tipo de metal, se lograrÃ*a la clasificación del mismo. Ahora, cuando muchos dicen que estos aparatos no funcionan, puede deberse a varios factores que afectan la propagación de ondas, ejemplo, el fenomeno denominado inversión térmica, que en las comunicaciones radiales nos afecta considerablemente.
En cuanto a la radioestesia o dowsing, se positivamente de muchisimas personas aquÃ* en Chile, que logran detectar agua en el campo y solo con una varilla de madera.
En estos dÃ*as que estaré de vacaciones en casa, pretendo armar uno de estos aparatos y me gustarÃ*a me indiques alguno de los tantos modelos con los que podrÃ*a empezar, para probar en este tema. He visto el zahori, desechado por algunos, pero creo sinceramente, que les falto experimentar mas y en condiciones optimas.
A la espera de tus comentarios y apoyo , me depido y ruego me disculpe el foro por escribir en español, pero lalmentablemente mi nivel de ingles no es tan alto como para traducir todo lo escrito.
Ahora si no te molesta, podrÃ*a continuar mis comentarios en español, pero a través de correo electrónico.
Gracias
Atte.
Nelson Lepe T.


The most of the person never show the treasures, don't know, but with individual and sparzed items, yes.

And yes, I have pics by other people with the detectors, include militar, and can achieve hundreds from many others, this is just I'm doing: collected pics from others, not only mine. Here born this kind of detector in 1959 (I have the tube original schematic!), maybe based on 1926 USA publication The Radio Gold Explorer, not the same, but principles similar. Now, as we are a nation very closed and only today globalization permits sharing information (just I'm doing this!!! Thanks!!!) to show this, well, sorry if this no satisfy you and others. Sorry if this electronic LRL doesn't born in USA and be produced in mass by detector firms...

This is I have. Also wait from others what they can do.

[Max]

The most of the person never show the treasures, don't know, but with individual and sparzed items, yes.

And yes, I have pics by other people with the detectors, include militar, and can achieve hundreds from many others, this is just I'm doing: collected pics from others, not only mine. Here born this kind of detector in 1959 (I have the tube original schematic!), maybe based on 1926 USA publication The Radio Gold Explorer, not the same, but principles similar. Now, as we are a nation very closed and only today globalization permits sharing information (just I'm doing this!!! Thanks!!!) to show this, well, sorry if this no satisfy you and others. Sorry if this electronic LRL doesn't born in USA and be produced in mass by detector firms...

This is I have. Also wait from others what they can do.

Hi,
can you post the original tube based schematic of year 1959 ? Or the schematic must remain secret stuff ?

Maybe that could give some better understanding of these things... if you can post it.

Kind regards,
Max

[Esteban]

Hola Esteban, gusto en saludarte despues de algun tiempo.
Te escribo en español, debido a que me es mas facil intentar explicar mi opinion relaconada con los detectores de largo alcance.
Sinceramente si creo en que deben funcionar, pero reconosco que hay momentos en que dudo de elo. Sin embargo, siempre tengo presente cosas como por ejemplo, que la energÃ*a sea cual sea, debe trasladarse de alguna manera. Yo con mas de 20 años de radioaficionado, se positivamente que una señal de radio la podemos hacer rebotar en un cerro y asi logra una mejor comunicación que si esta se intentara en forma directa (señal VHF).
Para que esto ocurra, indudablemente necesitamos por ejemplo que el cerro que hara rebotar mi señal, tenga algun gado de material que permita el rebote y esto ocurre generalmente gracias a la mineralización de los cerros, es decir los metales que este contenga. Por lo tanto, si creo es posible por medio de un aparato X, obtener algun tipo de rebote o algo asi y sumado a la velociad de propagación, dependiendo del tipo de metal, se lograrÃ*a la clasificación del mismo. Ahora, cuando muchos dicen que estos aparatos no funcionan, puede deberso a varios factores que afectan la propagación de ondas, ejemplo, el fenomeno denominado inversión térmica.
En cuanto a la radioestesia o dowsing, se positivamente de muchisimas personas aquÃ* en Chile, que logran detectar agua en el campo y solo con una varilla de madera.
En estos dÃ*as que estaré de vacaciones en casa, pretendo armar uno de estos aparatos y me gustarÃ*a me indiques alguno de los tantos modelos con los que podrÃ*a empezar, para porbar en este tema. He visto el zahori, desechado por algunos, pero creo sinceramente, que les falto experimentar mas y en condiciones optimas.
A la espera de tus comentarios y apoyo , me depido y reuego me disculpe el foro por escribir en español, pero lalmentablemente mi nivel de ingles no es tan alto como para tradicir todo lo escrito.
Ahora si no te molesto, podrÃ* continur mis comentarios en español, pero a través de correo electrónico.
Gracias
Atte.
Nelson Lepe T.

Hola Nelson. Gracias por todo. Te estarÃ*a enviando alguna información. Detectar un tesoro con unas pocas vueltas de alambre a la entrada de un amplificador y otra circuiterÃ*a más se puede lograr a una distancia de 20-30 m, estamos hablando de un tesoro, no de monedas sueltas, que es más difÃ*cil, pero no imposible.

A otro tema. El problema del ZahorÃ* es que debe ser usada la versión con un solo control de 10 K y eliminar el resto, es decir, poner todo fijo y desconectar la pata 9 de negativo, mejor dicho, no usar las llaves y otros detalles que te puedo pasar. Lo que pasa es que construyeron la otra versión, parece.

No obstante, estoy haciendo otro ZahorÃ* que parece responder bien. Es este el que quiero probar y pasarte los datos.

Estamos en contacto y mucha buena suerte en tus búsquedas, amigo de Chile.

Esteban

[Esteban]

I like these photos. I don't say they are not satisfying. I only say they do not make scientific proof that LRL can find treasure at long range.

Best wishes,
J_P

OK, just is called the famous "photographic evidence", not scientific proof.

No really scientific proof or no traces of the neutrino you can see, only is present in a formula and a supossed oscillation? Has been constructed special detectors at depth in the Earth. But the scientific is laureates by this...

Regards

Esteban

[Esteban]

Hi,
can you post the original tube based schematic of year 1959 ? Or the schematic must remain secret stuff ?

Maybe that could give some better understanding of these things... if you can post it.

Kind regards,
Max

Deppend of permission. Remember that I was post a handrawn of the position of detector with the 2 coils, electromechanical vibrator, etc. Tubes are two 6L6, 1 in transmitter, other in receiver and the detection was hearing in 2,000 ohms earphones. Look, first was a table with the elements...!!! Alonso wish to rebuild it because as, he told me, distance with this was superior. Coils had 30 turns. Maybe somebody can find in old messages, I post 2 years ago??

Regards

Esteban

[Esteban]

I remember these was posted (color pics are in USA 1981 and 1985, two trips).

[J_Player]

OK, just is called the famous "photographic evidence", not scientific proof.

No really scientific proof or no traces of the neutrino you can see, only is present in a formula and a supossed oscillation? Has been constructed special detectors at depth in the Earth. But the scientific is laureates by this...Nobody asked for nutrinos. We asked for simple proof of finding treasure in our hand, same as any other metal detector design in the Geotech forum will show. Other metal detectors are proved to work. Only LRL fails to show this proof. Same as Santa Claus is not proved to be true.

Metal detector in hand finding treasures is real proof.
LRL that brings nothing but photos and stories is Santa Claus proof.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Esteban]

Metal detector in hand finding treasures is real proof.

Also directional pistol for long range can do:

The cup with nine gold 24 K plates inside was found with LRL pistol based on coil (BFO) and radio near a stream and bridge. Don't remember the year, maybe 1978 or 1979.

[Fred]

Hi Esteban

If there is so many diferent tecnhiques that work for LRL, why you cant post a schematic?
What is the point to show pictures of found items and try to prove it works if you are not going to sell or show how to make a similar detector ?

Regards,
Fred.

[Clondike Clad]

Now with a circuit we can build and test.....THE KEY WORD IS TEST,TEST,TEST,TEST,TEST,TEST,TEST,TEST.......Anyo ne can put a photo up and say it was found with a LRL I can put a photo of me on the Moon.
So Let us make a working LRL Circuit...IT only have to detect a coin 10 meters and no 30 meters...I really like to make one to detect my wife's diamond ring I also have a 1/3 oz gold in my test garden.

[J_Player]

He says he is Santa Claus, and this sled really flies in the sky. He told me he will bring me a new Lorenz metal detector at Christmas next year and a few kilos of gold treasure from sunk Spanish ships too. Millions of people also say he is true. I will not show construction plans for building this sled. It is secret, and is in negotiations to be marketed to a commercial airline next year.

Here is a photo to prove. (I can show many more).
Now you must believe me because I show photo.

[Clondike Clad]

Look like a good one how fast and higt can the sled go.
It is like the photo of what he LRL are finding and I now believe in santa.

[Esteban]

He says he is Santa Claus, and this sled really flies in the sky. He told me he will bring me a new Lorenz metal detector at Christmas next year and a few kilos of gold treasure from sunk Spanish ships too. Millions of people also say he is true. I will not show construction plans for building this sled. It is secret, and is in negotiations to be marketed to a commercial airline next year.

Here is a photo to prove. (I can show many more).
Now you must believe me because I show photo.

I know persons don't believe in electronic long range pistols for metal detection but believe in the UFOs!

[Esteban]

Look like a good one how fast and higt can the sled go.
It is like the photo of what he LRL are finding and I now believe in santa.

You're free for to believe in anyone or anything you want.

[Esteban]

Now with a circuit we can build and test.....THE KEY WORD IS TEST,TEST,TEST,TEST,TEST,TEST,TEST,TEST.......Anyo ne can put a photo up and say it was found with a LRL I can put a photo of me on the Moon.
So Let us make a working LRL Circuit...IT only have to detect a coin 10 meters and no 30 meters...I really like to make one to detect my wife's diamond ring I also have a 1/3 oz gold in my test garden.

Not necessary your photo in the Moon. Any person can pose with supossed findings with regular MD... but those items wasn't found for this person... only pose. Exact as most of you assure that I pose with supossed findings with supossed long range metal locator...

[Fred]

Hi Esteban

If there is so many diferent tecnhiques that work for LRL, why you cant post a schematic?
What is the point to show pictures of found items and try to prove it works if you are not going to sell or show how to make a similar detector ?

Regards,
Fred.
Hi Esteban

If there is so many diferent tecnhiques that work for LRL, why you cant post a schematic?
What is the point to show pictures of found items and try to prove it works if you are not going to sell or show how to make a similar detector ?

Regards,
Fred.

[Geo]

He says he is Santa Claus, and this sled really flies in the sky. He told me he will bring me a new Lorenz metal detector at Christmas next year and a few kilos of gold treasure from sunk Spanish ships too. Millions of people also say he is true. I will not show construction plans for building this sled. It is secret, and is in negotiations to be marketed to a commercial airline next year.

Here is a photo to prove. (I can show many more).
Now you must believe me because I show photo.

I believe you :lol::lol:
Regards:)

[Clondike Clad]

Tell santa I want a GPX 4000....I will be good this year

[roberts]

Tell santa I want a GPX 4000....I will be good this year


I want Minelab Excalibur, Sovereign,Relic Hawk and Musketeer.
But i dont need Santa's help. I have money and i will buy those to complete my collection of WORKING detectors.:lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Tim Williams]

Can you post about the principle of the detection. Then we can go from there. If you are going to talk about electronic LRLs and building one, then lets have a starting point.

TIm

[J_Player]

Look like a good one how fast and higt can the sled go.
It is like the photo of what he LRL are finding and I now believe in santa.Hi Clondike Clad,
Santa was busy, but I called him to ask questions for you. He says he is not sure how fast because there is no speedometer on the sled. He told me it will go fast enough for him to deliver presents to all homes in the world in about 24 hours. I try to calculate in KPH or MPH, but is difficult because I need to include time for accelerate and decelerate, and time for climbing chimneys.

He says he usually flies the sled up to about 5 miles above ground, but he never goes higher because it is hard for the rein deers to breath when running fast in weak atmosphere. He told me "it sure is dang cold up there". I guess he is used to the cold from living at the North Pole, so no problem.

Tell santa I want a GPX 4000....I will be good this yearSanta said ok, but only if you're good and don't make extraordinary claims that are hard to believe with no proof.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Dell Winders]

Used Electronic LRL on Ebay. :rolleyes: :lol: :lol:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Long-Range-Metal-Detector_W0QQitemZ330210276939QQihZ014QQcategoryZ1 4955QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[Clondike Clad]

Santa is like a LRL who know how he works

[Geo]

Used Electronic LRL on Ebay. :rolleyes: :lol: :lol:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Long-Range-Metal-Detector_W0QQitemZ330210276939QQihZ014QQcategoryZ1 4955QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

He found a lot of gold, so now he don't like to find other gold and he sell this good LRL :lol::lol:

[Qiaozhi]

Used Electronic LRL on Ebay. :rolleyes: :lol: :lol:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Long-Range-Metal-Detector_W0QQitemZ330210276939QQihZ014QQcategoryZ1 4955QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Used - and then discarded! :razz:

[Clondike Clad]

Now this is how ebay LRL works .
Put it on the Ebay and the detector will find someone money.
The LRL is sold and the money you get is all the LRL will find.
Now it is the next person turn to put the LRL on ebay and the cycle start over again.