New gold detector!!!

[Locator]

Today searching i found a gold detector :

http://www.iconos-md.eu/

what you say about???

Regards:cool:

[J_Player]

Hi locator,

I say the same as for all treasure finder tools. Ask to see a demonstration of this detector finding long-time buried gold before giving money to buy it.

You can test this detector at a cemetery to see if you find signals where you expect gold jewelry is below the ground, then test in other locations where you expect no treasure buried to compare signals.

I have never seen any long range locator for sale that can find buried treasure with good success rates better than you will find by looking with no locator, and only reading history of where buried treasure is expected. For this reason I would look to see proof it works before paying money.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Locator]

J_P hi,

thank's about your reply,the things are as you say....you have right about the cemetery test!

I heard that somebody found a small treaaure with Iconos-md long range gold detector!!!!
So,i am searching about this machine...maybe there is something good behind this:)

I wish you a nice afternoon...Locator:cool:

[Max]

J_P hi,

thank's about your reply,the things are as you say....you have right about the cemetery test!

I heard that somebody found a small treaaure with Iconos-md long range gold detector!!!!
So,i am searching about this machine...maybe there is something good behind this:)

I wish you a nice afternoon...Locator:cool:

Treasure ? made of BRASS ? :razz: :razz: :razz:

[Locator]

Max hello,

which is your opinion about the movement of ions in the ground???

Regards:

Locator:) :cool:

[J_Player]

Hi locator,

Researchers have proved that for some long time buried gold there are ions in the ground where gold is. The gold ions are very few, not possible to measure without taking the soil sample to a chemical laboratory for testing. Not all long time buried gold has ions in the soil. Fresh buried gold has none.

I have never seen any long range detector show where these ions are. I think best you need to see a demonstration of this loctor finding the buried gold before you pay money for it.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Esteban]

I have never seen any long range detector show where these ions are.

As you said, secondary or associated phenomenon is more important, not the ions.

[Nihil Roma Maius]

Hi Locator

You're promoting this ELRL? Because you use as avatar... Propaganda?

[Locator]

:nerd: Goodmorning to all of you!!!!

Dear Nihil Roma Maius,you made me to laugh:lol: No,no it's nice photo
for this i put this like my avatar...if you search i hadn't avatar...and for first time i put this...maybe the other month other:rolleyes:

J_Player wrote:"The gold ions are very few..." , so J_P there are gold ions
even few...this is interesting...maybe we must to search this!!!Thank's about your advice,you have right:)

Esteban wrote: "secondary or associated phenomenon is more important, not the ions"...can you explain me Esteban which is the assosiated phenomenon??? you wrote something very interesting in which we can to rely and to search...but what is that between buried gold and long range gold detector??? :nerd: :)

I wish to all of you to have a nice day:) :) :)

Thank's about your replies...Locator

[Max]

Hi Locator,
for me "gold ionic detection" is pure speculation if we are talking about TH LRLs. Of course, like JP said, one can get samples of soil... then send to a big lab with lot of costly apparatus and then figure out if there is some (parts per billion usually) gold ions in the matrix.

The generation and moving of few gold ions in soil is possible due to chemicals directly (where matrix contains some particular compounds) or by primitive lifeforms like bacteria or fungi that could bind some few in exchange reactions then concentrate or disperse that few collected gold in the sorrounding soil.
Ion movements in the matrix, could then be caused by other forces at microscopic level without reling just only to bacteria or other lifeforms.

You have to keep in mind that chemical gold interactions are really few cause it's really few reactive, as you'll find looking at its chemistry.

Problem is that electronic LRLs for TH manifacturers claim often their products can detect that ions from remote, without samples etc... and that's impossible: there are no airborn gold ions in normal conditions and LRLs we se here in other threads haven't any "ionic-chamber" as claimed ...so are just fake products.

When someone said that there is a secondary effect related to ions generation or movements in soil, like Esteban said, without saying you which is that effect... or how a supposed working LRL could detect that hypothetical effect say nothing of scientific relevance/value.

Anyone can say have made a detector that uses e.g. kirlian-effect to discover gold bars from 1000Km away, but without giving proofs of that.
Just another fake claim, as all are (untill now) the claims about LRL.
Why wondering about ?

If you ask them about "the principle" or that "secondary effect" they'll always say that is a secret technology etc never giving you any good information.

Read my post about Quadro 250 in the Skeptic's Bar thread: it's a good example of how some manifactures tend to protect their interests (in trial) from sanctions, asserting there is some secret technology behind their products. Old game.

For that people you have to trust this or that LRL work without any scientific explaination, facts, proofs... that at the end, is the same as performing a faith act.

Of course you can, but then it's up to you if you waste your money that way.

Kind regards,
Max

the Quadro's strategy at trial:

...
On January 19, 1996, the FBI Economic Crimes unit seized the merchandise and records of the Quadro Corporation and arrested its officers. In April, 1996, a federal judge issued a permanent injunction against Quadro Corp, which was convicted of engaging in a mail and wire scheme to defraud customers, under statutes 18 U.S.C. 1341 and 1343. In court it was pointed out that the Quadro Detector had been carefully examined and that no "inductors, conductors, or oscillators" were found, though Quadro advertised those as the working parts of its "secret technology." Quadro claimed that theirs were not "ordinary" inductors, conductors, or oscillators. Theirs are of an advanced sort not yet known to "regular science."

[J_Player]

Iconos is located in Cyprus. There is no FBI who will investigate or US federal court who will look to see if the Iconos will really find treasure. If you want to buy this locator, then it is your responsibility to determine if it will locate treasure before you buy it.

If you watch a demonstration of this detector and you see it find hidden treasure when you use it, then maybe this is a good locator for you to buy. If you only hear sounds when you move it, but you never see the treasure recovered with your own eyes, then maybe it is not finding treasure. Maybe it makes sounds when near electrical noise or other things that is not treasure.

There are gold ions in the ground in some locations where gold is located that almost cannot be measured. There are other metal ions in the ground hundreds of times more than gold that can be measured. Many electronic devices have been built that can make a signal when you are near buried metal different than gold. But I have never seen a long range locator demonstrated to locate only gold. I would not pay money for any locator until after I see it find only gold. I think you will never see any treasure except the money you give to pay for this locator. Maybe I believe this locator will work after the person selling the locator will show me finding only gold that I recover.

Another question: If this locator will find only long time buried gold, then why do they sell them for for the price of only 10 oz of gold? What is the reason the inventor does not use it to find large gold treasures that have been buried for thousands of years that is worth millions of dollars? Why does he waste his time to manufacture and sell the locator instead of find much bigger money from recovering treasure? Do you think maybe this locator is not able to locate gold?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Max]

Hi JP,
you're right that there in Cyprus there isn't any FBI office... :lol:

anyway the fact that e.g. in the USA FBI has taken Quadro officers etc and put them before a court of justice doesn't mean that there aren't scams or frauds also in the USA cause of manifacturers of fake LRL products, as you already know.

The fact that the bureau was interested in the "Quadro 250" case was due to the fact they were customers of that "manifacturer" too... as well as many institutions of the USA too, like local police offices... schools... and law enforcement agencies all around the US.

That's why the FBI sued Quadro ! :razz:

There was a risk related to the use of such devices e.g. in sensitive places... think e.g. at the claim that this model 250 could locate bombs or firearms!

So "the system" protected itself from a potential danger caused by an hole in the security devices used to check people, or vehicles etc.

But how many fake LRLs are still today manifactured in the USA, or e.g. in China but for the US market ??? All for TH purposes. I think that is not enormous but a consistent number.

But nobody see nothing... everybody sleep about these facts, frauds... no real interest if some THunter lose his money that way.

So I think it's the same, buying it from Cyprus of e.g. from Boulder, Colorado !
You'll lose your money and that's all, with the total lack of interest of USA authorities.

Of course, you can sue the manifacturer or dealer... but it's worth ?
Best think before buying and asking for a demonstration, as you suggested, before open the wallet.

That's my point of view.

Kind regards,
Max

[Qiaozhi]

the Quadro's strategy at trial:
...
On January 19, 1996, the FBI Economic Crimes unit seized the merchandise and records of the Quadro Corporation and arrested its officers. In April, 1996, a federal judge issued a permanent injunction against Quadro Corp, which was convicted of engaging in a mail and wire scheme to defraud customers, under statutes 18 U.S.C. 1341 and 1343. In court it was pointed out that the Quadro Detector had been carefully examined and that no "inductors, conductors, or oscillators" were found, though Quadro advertised those as the working parts of its "secret technology." Quadro claimed that theirs were not "ordinary" inductors, conductors, or oscillators. Theirs are of an advanced sort not yet known to "regular science."
Dell - take note.
Your "secret technology" could your downfall. :nono:

[Qiaozhi]

Esteban - What are you eluding to when you say "As you said, secondary or associated phenomenon is more important, not the ions."?

Please give us a clue. :)

[J_Player]

Of course, you can sue the manifacturer or dealer... but it's worth ?Most LRL companies are separate from the person who collects the money from people buying the LRL. You look at the LRL company and you see LRL, inc. or LRL, Ltd. This means there is limited liability, and usually there is no money in the bank for the LRL company. All the money is paid to the person running the company. So when you sue the LRL company, you are not suing the person who took your money, you are suing only the company they created.

If you want to sue somebody, then sue the person who collects the money that you pay for the LRL. In the USA, you can file a fraud suit against anyone who collects your money for products that do not do what the advertising says they do. If you only sue the company, you usually find the company has no money to pay to you even if you prove the company is wrong. Then the company becomes bankrupt, and the person who has your money will start a new company to sell the same LRL to other people.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Esteban]

Associated phenomenon.

You have 2 different metals as zinc (-) and copper (+). If you attached the both, you have a difference of potential, bimetal effect. Buried for long time conductive items in conjunction with the soil (the minerals has metal) is like a chemist combination in the soil as a bimetal effect. So, around conductive items there are an electric field and difference in magnetism, no equal to the rest of the soil. Difference glitchs critic adjustment of the detector! This is the natural battery of FrancoItaly. Bravo, FrancoItaly!!! Because you resume in few words... :)

[Qiaozhi]

Associated phenomenon.

You have 2 different metals as zinc (-) and copper (+). If you attached the both, you have a difference of potential, bimetal effect. Buried for long time conductive items in conjunction with the soil (the minerals has metal) is like a chemist combination in the soil as a bimetal effect. So, around conductive items there are an electric field and difference in magnetism, no equal to the rest of the soil. Difference glitchs critic adjustment of the detector! This is the natural battery of FrancoItaly. Bravo, FrancoItaly!!! Because you resume in few words... :)
But your detector is a handheld pistol-type. How can this detect a potential difference in ths soil? Or is this using a different technique?

[Locator]

Goodmorning to all of you!!!

Thank's about your replies:)

These what you write Esteban are interesting....so we must to detect the alteration of the earth magnetic field which the years buried gold create???

Best wishes for a nice day to all of you......Locator:cool: :cool: :cool:

[Max]

Associated phenomenon.

You have 2 different metals as zinc (-) and copper (+). If you attached the both, you have a difference of potential, bimetal effect. Buried for long time conductive items in conjunction with the soil (the minerals has metal) is like a chemist combination in the soil as a bimetal effect. So, around conductive items there are an electric field and difference in magnetism, no equal to the rest of the soil. Difference glitchs critic adjustment of the detector! This is the natural battery of FrancoItaly. Bravo, FrancoItaly!!! Because you resume in few words... :)

Hi Esteban,
what you're talking about is an elettrochemistry phenomenon used in the A. Volta 1st battery (made of alternate plates of Zinc and Silver, put in contact by an acid solution trapped by some adsorbent medium).

What you call "bimetal effect" (improper definition) is known also as the "Volta's effect". Volta developed the battery from a theory derived from previous studies of the italian physician Luigi Galvani, and the occasional discovery of currents generation due to immersion of kind of bimetallic tools in gastric acid of frogs in 1766.

"In about 1766, Galvani began investigating the action of electricity upon the muscles of frogs. By observing the twitching in the muscles of frog legs suspended by copper (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copper) hooks on an iron (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron) rail, Galvani was led to the invention of the metallic arc (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Metallic_arc&action=edit). The arc was made of two different metals, such that when one metal was placed in contact with a frog’s nerve and the other in contact with a muscle, a contraction would occur.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luigi_Galvani#_note-2)"
...
Galvani did not see electricity as the essence of life, which he regarded vitalistically (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitalism). Galvani believed that the animal electricity came from the muscle. Galvani's associate Alessandro Volta (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alessandro_Volta), in opposition, reasoned that the animal electricity was a physical phenomenon, i.e. a metallic electricity.
"

Well known electrochemistry of some hundreds years ago. What's new ?

"So, around conductive items there are an electric field and difference in magnetism, no equal to the rest of the soil." :lol:

This is true only for a limited time, and there is no electric "field", but currents. The reactions end sooner or later. Matter of superficial oxides barriers and sorrounding matrix saturation.

An electric field ??? :razz:
An electric field deals with electrostatics, this is a dinamic phenomenon. You have a current flow from the target to the soil (or viceversa, depending of composition of target and soil elements, often both directions due to different elements in soil).
If you want describe the electric field behaviour here you'll have to use the Maxwell's equations set here... but I dubt you know them for real.

And we are talking of small currents involved for a limited amount of time.

Differences in the "magnetism" ? If you mean variations of the "spot" Earth magnetic field... we are talking of few picoTesla ! :razz:
Also causes currents may flow in both ways this is often even lowered.

Now about gold:
you know that gold is really few chemical reactive... so long time buried or not, no big reactions occour with it. Few ions (part per billions in the sorrounding soil) are dispersed due to particular chemical reactions (AuCl3,HAuCl4 and REALLY FEW others)... or due to bacteria...then which kind of current you would hope to find !? :lol:
Gold is one of the worse candidate for your "secondary effect"! :razz:

Copper is much better... if you want to play with soil-metal electrochemistry.

But then again the reaction stops after a while you bury the copper... so long time e.g. buried copper don't give any "electric field" as you say or any
bimetallic effect (currents).

"Difference glitchs critic adjustment of the detector!"
"This is the natural battery of FrancoItaly."

Oh yeah... so if e.g. you bury a zinc-carbon battery your LRL can detect it from e.g. 10meters away ? Do you say that ?
Easy test... anyone having an LRL could try!

I'm sure you can't.

But if so... how many thrown batteries you'll find with that LRL ?

You cannot detect that current flows using an electrometer-like apparatus.
There isn't any static field due to long time buried anything.

That's why your LRLs can't work. You don't know physics.

Kind regards,
Max

[Esteban]

Bla bla and bla
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Bla bla and bla
Bla bla and bla :eek:

Max


Is a similarity. And you don't understand what I wish to tell. You know about physics (is easy take quotations in the net), but it don't help YOU and only YOU for to build an electronic LRL. Same procedures in this matter isn't in books.

Insist: the electricity in sites with buried metal is very different.

Thanks for your explanations, Mr. Because –now– I know who is Galvani and others. Ohhhh! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Dry bimetalic effect (this generates small amount of electricity, not only the Volta piles. I'm Sure you don't know it):

[Qiaozhi]

Hi Esteban,

Are you attempting to detect differences in the local magnetic field or the electric field?

[Esteban]

Hi Qiaozhi

The both. Devices based in magnetics (passive type, absorption mode) must be low impedance loop/low resistence coil for to no catch interferences and detect only non ferrous, but have not much distance, only few meters. Except based in magnetics type MD coils (active). Based in this same type but with many turns coil catch ferrous...
But based on electric field go more far (antenna, microvoltmeter type).

But your detector is a handheld pistol-type. How can this detect a potential difference in ths soil? Or is this using a different technique?

Because, is the form for this kind of detector, is not equal in form that regular MD, except if there are an IB detector coil attached in a box with handle. Just this is the job of the electronic LRL: to detect the difference in the soil, and his more sensitive since you don't approach in the soil, so is free of effect soil and capacitance.

TONGUE: STOP!!!! :lol:

[Qiaozhi]

Hi Qiaozhi

The both. Devices based in magnetics (passive type, absorption mode) must be low impedance loop/low resistence coil for to no catch interferences and detect only non ferrous, but have not much distance, only few meters. Except based in magnetics type MD coils (active). Based in this same type but with many turns coil catch ferrous...
But based on electric field go more far (antenna, microvoltmeter type).

But your detector is a handheld pistol-type. How can this detect a potential difference in ths soil? Or is this using a different technique?

Because, is the form for this kind of detector, is not equal in form that regular MD, except if there are an IB detector coil attached in a box with handle. Just this is the job of the electronic LRL: to detect the difference in the soil, and his more sensitive since you don't approach in the soil, so is free of effect soil and capacitance.

TONGUE: STOP!!!! :lol:
I think I understand what you're saying. :)
So this type of detector is totally passive, and there is no transmitted field from the unit itself?
Interesting idea, but can this possibly work in a built-up area where there may be a lot of interference? Surely such a weak signal will totally swamped by background noise.

[Esteban]

The active type is based on MD IB or off-resonance (here oscillator is tr and rec). Regarding BFO, is very difficult to find a stable circuit.

Best if you use all this types far from electric lines and cellular towers (big poison) :angry: . I don't try PI type.

[Max]

Hi Esteban,
look at you picture... the sun...
wow.

You're an artist.

Don't know how the sun could be involved in current generation in a BURIED grid of two different metals. That's too far from my understanding... or now you'll talk also of cosmic rays ?

Sun can heat the surface soil then the temperature gradient could cause some effects but not the light directly. Light is stopped by soil. Or your sunrays in SA pass through soil now ??? :lol:

But then you mix stuff again...
photoelectric effect with electrostatic with volta's effect with thermoelectric effect ?

Next you'll say that there are telluric currents involved ? Or aliens ?

So how many principle of operations have that LRL, have you counted them ?

Tired of all these BS Esteban... IB, off-resonance I've built too...
I know they exist but for me who say that can detect a coin from meters away with one of these for sure never understud how they work.

Do you measure 1Hz variations over 300KHz osc frequency ?
:lol:

Also my fart could cause that variation, do you know that ?

Kind regards,
Max

[Esteban]

Please, you don't understand. Stay in your business.

You can't. I can with BFO, resonance-off and IB. Here a silver 1892 coin I found with BFO in search head in 1988, my first pistol, built for me by Alonso, with BRAND. If you don't have experience in electronic LRL and FINDS with it, is your problem, not mine. :lol:

The rest are your poor speculations.

[Nihil Roma Maius]

Do you measure 1Hz variations over 300KHz osc frequency ?

Never nobody said that the difference in hertz is 1 in 300 Khz. Said few variations in hertz, wich is not the same. New persons in forum who read this can believe that you're telling the total truth and others are liars.

[Qiaozhi]

I can with BFO, resonance-off and IB. Here a silver 1892 coin I found with BFO in search head in 1988, my first pistol, built for me by Alonso, with BRAND.
Hi Esteban,

What TX frequency are you using, and is the selected frequency important?

[Esteban]

High frequency in range 300 kHz is more sensitive, because, of course, variation in hertz is greater, but at this freq. silver paper is very good detectable at few meters. 60 to 90 kHz is more selective and insensitive to silver paper.

[Geo]

Ha.:lol: ... ha:lol: ..... ha:lol:
Hi Esteban:)
Ohhh ... you give us your technology a little and little (as we say in Greece with dropper ). At how many years you will give us all your technology ????
My regards:)

[Max]

Hi Esteban,
counting 1Hz or 2Hz or 3Hz over 300KHz is about the same thing.
Changes nothing in practice.

1Hz -> 1/300000 = 3.33333333333.... * 10^-6 (3 ppm)
2Hz -> 2/300000 = 6.66666666666.... * 10^-6 (6 ppm)

Even at 10Hz over 300KHz is 30ppm. Do you say that your circuit can find coins from meters (or hundred meters ?) using 3ppm or 30ppm frequency variarion detection ?

In real BFO or OFF-RESONANCE there are KHz variations on the same frequency. More than 1000 times of yours.

A 3ppm (or 30ppm) variation could be due to as many factors that you'll never discover from where it arrives.

E.g. a capacitor could heat 0.1 °C more and you'll got 30ppm frequency shift.

Quartz crystals have often a span of +/- 30ppm and even more.

Do you use cesium in your timebase ?

You'll never detect a 3ppm variation from a remote object meters away(supposing that this variation exist for real) with these garage made toys.

BTW I never bought one of these things you call LRL ...see some used by friends... other LRLs ever not seen cause nobody found anything with that, so they reselled to other naive THs.

I think that all this stuff don't work, can't work.

Best regards,
Max

[Max]

Do you measure 1Hz variations over 300KHz osc frequency ?

Never nobody said that the difference in hertz is 1 in 300 Khz. Said few variations in hertz, wich is not the same. New persons in forum who read this can believe that you're telling the total truth and others are liars.

Hi,
yes you wrote:

"As I said, you can't hear variation in few hertz but simple circuit can make audible. "

few Hertz, not 1Hz.

For few I mean 2 or 3 or 5 maybe, for sure not 10Hz.

What do you mean for few ?

Best regards,
Max

[Esteban]

In real BFO or OFF-RESONANCE there are KHz variations on the same frequency. More than 1000 times of yours.

Is true if you expect in a BFO, for example, hear 100 Hz, 500 Hz or 1 kHz, so this is the difference when detection occurs. But with another additional circuit before occurs this "great" variation you can hear in amp stage a type of "breeze" and this isn't an audible tone. So, this minielevation in sound level before occurs real audible tone is the theme. Various times I wrote about it.

Geo, calm, as many here make some "pressure" for to reveal part or all of it, there are anothers in this field who "press" me in other direction! The law of action and reaction! :)

[Max]

In real BFO or OFF-RESONANCE there are KHz variations on the same frequency. More than 1000 times of yours.

Is true if you expect in a BFO, for example, hear 100 Hz, 500 Hz or 1 kHz, so this is the difference when detection occurs. But with another additional circuit before occurs this "great" variation you can hear in amp stage a type of "breeze" and this isn't an audible tone. So, this minielevation in sound level before occurs real audible tone is the theme. Various times I wrote about it.

Geo, calm, as many here make some "pressure" for to reveal part or all of it, there are anothers in this field who "press" me in other direction! The law of action and reaction! :)

Hi Esteban,
you can multiply frequency shift but you'll lose "resolution". Can't detect 3ppm or 30ppm variations with your units. No way.

Detection of 1Hz or 10Hz variation over e.g. 300Khz is impossible for any homemade detector. Require very special technology that you can't pack in so small dimensions we see in your picture.

I can't treat the topic here, for different reasons.

I know BFOs and OFF-Resonance detectors... I know everything about them, realized first off-res at 7... using a schematic from a magazine, you could imagine ? :rolleyes: Much like a radio... have to tune with sweep generator... bell-filters and everything.

I'm relatively young but know absolutely anything about the principles and design behind them.

But if I'm wrong, proof that, please send us a working schematic like the one described in the other thread.

Kind regards,
Max

[Locator]

Hello,

About the ICONOS-MD long range detector,i think that we must to test it about it's abilities:) :) :cool:
Look to the antenna...what remember to you?:nerd:

Wishes for a nice day:cool: :cool: :cool:

[J_Player]

Hi locator,
Hello,

About the ICONOS-MD long range detector,i think that we must to test it about it's abilities:) :) :cool:
Look to the antenna...what remember to you?:nerd:

Wishes for a nice day:cool: :cool: :cool:Ok this is a good idea. Please send the schematic and instructions to build it. There are several members who will build it and test it so you can read the results here.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Qiaozhi]

High frequency in range 300 kHz is more sensitive, because, of course, variation in hertz is greater, but at this freq. silver paper is very good detectable at few meters. 60 to 90 kHz is more selective and insensitive to silver paper.
If this is based on either BFO or off-resonance, then it is a kind of non-motion detector. Have you also tried motion detection? If so, which method is the most sensitive?

By the way, I'm trying to ignore the other diatribe being posted here. :D
I think it's pushing you in the wrong direction, and I have to pull harder to overcome it. :frown:

[Geo]

Hello,

About the ICONOS-MD long range detector,i think that we must to test it about it's abilities:) :) :cool:
Look to the antenna...what remember to you?:nerd:

Wishes for a nice day:cool: :cool: :cool:

Hi Christos:) . A circular box , nothing else. You can put everything inside it.
Regards:)

[Max]

Hello,

About the ICONOS-MD long range detector,i think that we must to test it about it's abilities:) :) :cool:
Look to the antenna...what remember to you?:nerd:

Wishes for a nice day:cool: :cool: :cool:

Hi,
...an Ectoplasm container ? :lol:

could be everything inside, be filled just with pure air or... even the genie of the lamp...

Who knows ? maybe in the instruction manual there is some "...then rub the dish for a while...that way you'll charge the genie with you static electricity and ions!" :razz:

Shape means nothing.

Kind regards,
Max

[Locator]

Max....very good:) :lol: :lol: :lol: :cool:

[iconos-md]

Our greetings to all members.

[Esteban]

Welcome!!! Please, explain your system!!!

[iconos-md]

Greetings to all members of this forum

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We are forced to protect our invention by this way because if we dont the result will be the publishing of all our efforts in a worldwide scale. We believe
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If we remove the majority of members in this forum who are purely amateur enthusiasts and hobbyists, there also exist professionals who are trying to
acquire information for commercial exploitation.
We on our part, cannot know who these people are that fall into this category, and we also have no way of knowing who the true amateurs are in the immense woldwide web ,where everyone uses a false name, and only a limited number of them use their real name.
For these reasons we are forced to limit the information on the operating theory of our sensor system, which is our intellectual property and we will not allow any free exploitation of this information by anyone.
Consequently the general operating theory that we have in our site, is for our judgement, sufficient for anyone interested to acquire this detector.What
someone really wants is to have a working detector that will give him the results that he is asking for, and we on our part must keep the know how
confidential and protected.
We believe that our position on this matter is sincere. It is irrelevant for us if you do not want to admit it but it must be respected.
Another matter that has resulted is that certain members of this forum deliberately disrepute us purposely through their publications. Here we want to clarify that our first orders are due to be delivered by the end of August. How is it possible that certain persons judge and compare and they discredit a detector that they do not have, and have never used, but also have not even seen yet? This is a negative situation for our interests, which will allow us at any moment that we judge right to press legal charges against anyone who purposely wants to disrepute our name via the internet or any other
means.
There is an effort to connect our devices with other manufacturers like Mineoro. Whatever opinion anyone has for the Mineoro detectors does not
concern us and is his own private matter. But we are concerned when people try to connect us with Mineoro and they try to link us with them about the
method of detection and operating principles of the iconos-md Detectors. We do not know the theory of operation of the Mineoro detectors and even if
we knew, it does not allow us to take a stand, but we certainly know ours and we can say that they have many differences between them.
A fact that we can publish is that our detector uses a microwave aerial in combination with a specially manufactured revolutionary sensor for Gold and
this creates a big difference in detection principles. Also some similar expressions that we use do not mean essentially same operating theory of the detectors.
The only resemblance that we have with the Mineoro detectors is that we also can detect gold from Long distances.
Lastly a company, especially a new company in this area, must be judged by it's works.
Shortly we will present a special Tesla coil exclusively for PI
Detectors, which as many know is very difficult to manufacture, but it will give you the possibility to understand and see the efforts that we make in
order for everyone to have better results in metal detecting.
Remember that every honest effort is for everybody's benefit, and should be faced seriously and not with disreputive reactions or other ways.
Regards to all
The iconos Team

[Max]

For now you're just making advertising for free here.
Your avatar is somehow explicit.

As I remember the forum rules make an explicit prohibition of making direct advertise of a product if not in the "Advertising Forum" section.

You can read rules in the "Annuncements/Commercial vs Non-commercial posts" by Carl.

You can advertise your product in the Advertising Forum.

Kind regards,
Max

[J_Player]

Hi iconos-md,

Welcome to the forum. You are welcome to talk here as much as you like about your metal detector. Carl is the owner of this forum, and he says it is ok for manufacturers to post in any of the forums including links to your website is ok. If you want to make advertising pages, you can do this free in the advertising forum below.

We are all interested to see some tests how well your Iconos detector works. And we are interested to know the principles it works on. We don't need to know all the details inside and schematic. But it would be interesting to know what kind of frequencies it uses, and how far it can find buried treasure.

This forum has mostly skeptic people because no other long range locating company will demonstrate their equipment finding treasure in front of us so we can see. If you are willing to conduct demonstrations, then all will be happy to see the results. If the results are proven to work, then you may become very famous here, because people all over the world look here to see what is a good detector to buy. But if you don't show any good proof that the Iconos will find treasure, then many people will say bad things about it. We have heard many stories about long range locators guaranteed to find treasures. But when people buy these detectors, most of them never find the treasures, and they want their money back. If you show us that your locator will work to find the treasures, then you will become the hero for all in this forum. I hope the best for you and your team. We wait to see what your locator will find, and some description of the principle it works. :)

Best wishes,
J_P

[J_Player]

Hi iconos-md,

I am happy to see your nice advertisement it the free advertising section. I will be waiting anxiously to read the reports you show to answer Carl's request.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Max]

Hi iconos-md,

I am happy to see your nice advertisement it the free advertising section. I will be waiting anxiously to read the reports you show to answer Carl's request.

Best wishes,
J_P

Hi JP,
Last hope ?

Yes , I wanna see too... some new ions.
I like ionic explainations... are better than SUDOKU ! :rolleyes:

Kind regards,
Max

[iconos-md]

Answer to Carl and others request about
Scientific facts
Between any two points on the surface of the earth, there generally exists a difference in electrical potential, commonly measured in volts (or, millivolts). There are two natural 'grounds' (natural sources that can absorb or supply more charge than humans can generate). One is the ionosphere, where ionized gasses conduct electricity, and the other is the earth (hence, the origin of the term "ground"), where ions in soil moisture and ground water conduct electricity. There exists a tremendous potential difference between these grounds, a difference maintained by the atmosphere (an insulator). Because the air is not a perfect insulator, a slight electrical current slowly flows through the air, resulting in a near-surface gradient of several hundred volts/meter. There are three basic geophysical phenomena associated with Long range Metal detection.
Firstly, Spontaneous Potential. This phenomenon is a natural north-south flow of electrical current, driven by the dynamics of the ionosphere, and generates what we call TELLURIC electrical currents. Since the earth is a good (but not a perfect) conductor, Ohm's Law implies a pattern of potential differences due to this current between buried objects and the surrounding soil.
Secondly, Electrochemical potential can be generated by the ground battery phenomenon of metals in contact with a uniform soil, or, from metals in contact with ground water. This effect results in anomalies above the ground - interesting variations of electrostatic and ionic fields in an otherwise dull, uninteresting earth atmosphere. It is such variations, or anomalies, that we seek which form around buried GOLD and other noble metals after many years. The resulting chemical reaction makes the Gold act much like a large battery. By detecting these anomalies we can find buried metals from large distances.
A third mechanism responsible for natural voltage differences around buried metals is the streaming potential. Flowing water strips electrons from the metal and a potential difference occurs with the surrounding area. In areas of significant topographic relief, there is often an SP pattern highly correlated with elevation (water generally flows downhill, even underground). Water flowing toward a cone of depression can also cause an SP anomaly. SP has been used to map geothermal fluid circulation in The Geysers field north of San Francisco, California. ( Also SP has been used to map fractures carrying water under dams).
So using the above scientific facts we confirm, that long time buried metals and especially noble metals like Gold, form an electrostatic and ionic field anomaly around them, in the immediate vicinity of the object, and above the ground also which extends many meters away from the object (Electrochemical potential). The intensity and radius of this emanating electrostatic ionic field increases with time. The buried object must be buried at least 15 years, in order to form an electrostatic ionic field, and it reaches maximum intensity after 40 years. So in practice the buried metal forms the ground battery and ions migrate from it’s surface to the surrounding minerals in the soil (read above Electrochemical potential )In this case the electrolyte is the soil itself. The more the soil is moist, so much faster the phenomenon appears. This same phenomenon has been proved with conventional metal detectors also, in a small scale. Freshly buried objects are detected, only when the disk is directly over the target. However when the object has been buried for many years, then the detector signals it’s presence from a larger distance and it can detect it deeper than the freshly buried object.

Thank you
The iconos Team

[J_Player]

Hi iconos-md,

Thank you for your description of science. This sounds very similar to my description of science I made in "some considerations". Very good to hear your ideas how science works.

The problem is you did not answer our questions. I already know the science you talk about. What I asked is not the description of science. I asked to see a demonstration of your locator finding treasure. Can you provide some demonstration of your locator finding treasure?

Also, you did not answer Carl's questions. He asked 2 questions:

1. I would like to see published science articles that support this claim.
2. I would like to see verifiable reports of treasure found by professionals (i.e.,
published archaeologists) using this device.

This means Carl wants you to show some publications made by accredited scientists who say this electrostatic and ionic field develops around gold. He is also asking for reports from accredited professionals like archaeologists who publish their findings and are using the Iconos locator.

I am sure you have these reports from accredited professionals available. Carl is only waiting to see you show them.

Best wishes,
J_P

[iconos-md]

Hello Jplayer
It seems there is a misunderstanding.I already gave you the science behind the electric field anomalies around buried metals.These facts are from scientists worldwide who publish this biography.It is another matter about how we detect these fields with the iconos-md.That is the secret part of the matter and it will never be published.I dont understand your confusion since these methods are already proven and are used in geoexploration to detect electric field anomalies from buried metals from long distances.( you say This means Carl wants you to show some publications made by accredited scientists who say this electrostatic and ionic field develops around gold)
I just did.
Secondly you want a demonstration.
Do you know where the long time buried gold is in order to test our units?
I think not.So how will we demonstrate this unit on your terms? This cannot be tested in the Lab but only in the field.So if you want to test it we will be happy to sell you our unit any time you want it.Then you will see for yourself if it works.
Thank you
The iconos Team.

[J_Player]

Hi iconos-md,

We have no misunderstanding. We did not ask for you to repeat the science you told. We did not ask to know the method how your Iconos locator works.

Carl asked you to provide the published science articles that support the science of ions and static fields forming on buried gold, and to provide reports of published archaeologists who use the Iconos locator finding treasure.

1. You did not provide any published science articles for us to read. Where are these published science articles you are referring to? This is what Carl asked for. He wants you to tell him how he can read the scientific report you said was published that explains the ionic and static fields. He does not want to read your explanation of this science, he wants to read the reports the scientist published.

2. You did not provide any verified reports of treasure found by published archaeologists using the Iconos locator. Carl asked you to provide this report so he can read it the same as you did, not read your talk about it.

You only repeated your idea of the science. You did not tell us how we can read the published reports by scientists that verify this same science.

You are wrong. I do know where long-time buried gold is. I know for absolute fact several gold ore deposits, many hundreds of thousands of years buried. I can get permission from the owners of the land to make a survey with the Iconos to locate the known gold deposits, and they will recover enough of the gold to see if your detector finds it.

I also know many cemeteries where there is definite long time buried gold more than 100 years in contact with the soil. I know the exact location of some of these long-time gold jewelry items within 1 meter accuracy. This is very easy to test if a long range detector can find this gold.

I will be happy to make tests to prove the Iconos will detect these sources of long-time buried gold. You can send me a PM for shipping instructions if you want me to test the Iconos for you. But maybe easier if you test from your location. If you don't want to demonstrate the Iconos, I don't mind. I will be happy to only read the reports you will show for the published archaeologists using the Iconos to find treasure.

We are all waiting to see the reports you said were published by scientists that support the formation of ions and static fields on long time buried gold, and reports published by archaeologists who found treasure with the Iconos locator.

Best wishes,
J_P

[J_Player]

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[Rudy]

Answer to Carl and others request about
Scientific facts
Between any two points on the surface of the earth, there generally exists a difference in electrical potential, commonly measured in volts (or, millivolts). There are two natural 'grounds' (natural sources that can absorb or supply more charge than humans can generate). One is the ionosphere, where ionized gasses conduct electricity, and the other is the earth (hence, the origin of the term "ground"), where ions in soil moisture and ground water conduct electricity. There exists a tremendous potential difference between these grounds, a difference maintained by the atmosphere (an insulator). Because the air is not a perfect insulator, a slight electrical current slowly flows through the air, resulting in a near-surface gradient of several hundred volts/meter. There are three basic geophysical phenomena associated with Long range Metal detection.
Firstly, Spontaneous Potential. This phenomenon is a natural north-south flow of electrical current, driven by the dynamics of the ionosphere, and generates what we call TELLURIC electrical currents. Since the earth is a good (but not a perfect) conductor, Ohm's Law implies a pattern of potential differences due to this current between buried objects and the surrounding soil.
Secondly, Electrochemical potential can be generated by the ground battery phenomenon of metals in contact with a uniform soil, or, from metals in contact with ground water. This effect results in anomalies above the ground - interesting variations of electrostatic and ionic fields in an otherwise dull, uninteresting earth atmosphere. It is such variations, or anomalies, that we seek which form around buried GOLD and other noble metals after many years. The resulting chemical reaction makes the Gold act much like a large battery. By detecting these anomalies we can find buried metals from large distances.
A third mechanism responsible for natural voltage differences around buried metals is the streaming potential. Flowing water strips electrons from the metal and a potential difference occurs with the surrounding area. In areas of significant topographic relief, there is often an SP pattern highly correlated with elevation (water generally flows downhill, even underground). Water flowing toward a cone of depression can also cause an SP anomaly. SP has been used to map geothermal fluid circulation in The Geysers field north of San Francisco, California. ( Also SP has been used to map fractures carrying water under dams).
So using the above scientific facts we confirm, that long time buried metals and especially noble metals like Gold, form an electrostatic and ionic field anomaly around them, in the immediate vicinity of the object, and above the ground also which extends many meters away from the object (Electrochemical potential). The intensity and radius of this emanating electrostatic ionic field increases with time. The buried object must be buried at least 15 years, in order to form an electrostatic ionic field, and it reaches maximum intensity after 40 years. So in practice the buried metal forms the ground battery and ions migrate from it’s surface to the surrounding minerals in the soil (read above Electrochemical potential )In this case the electrolyte is the soil itself. The more the soil is moist, so much faster the phenomenon appears. This same phenomenon has been proved with conventional metal detectors also, in a small scale. Freshly buried objects are detected, only when the disk is directly over the target. However when the object has been buried for many years, then the detector signals it’s presence from a larger distance and it can detect it deeper than the freshly buried object.

Thank you
The iconos Team

Why is this electric field formed only by gold or other noble metals? Seems to me that other, more electrically active and more plentiful metals (e.g. Zinc) would create even stronger ionic fields. If these non-noble metals also give rise to these fields, how does one go about discriminating between them, since in either case, these fields are quasi-static or DC in nature.

[J_Player]

Hi Rudy,

The answer to your question of how the Iconos discriminates gold is given on their web page: http://www.iconos-md.eu/Our detectors are the first in the world to be able to detect buried metals without using ground electrodes but can detect the spontaneous potential and electrochemical potential phenomena due to our revolutionary Gold sensor. They also discriminate the phenomena associated only with long time buried Gold from large distances. Thus you can scan large open areas in a small period of time and be sure to find the treasure.!!!!!The method of discriminating is the Iconos revolutionary gold sensor. This is their trade secret, so we cannot expect them to reveal their secret method.

Your inference that traces of metal ions from zinc would be stronger than traces of gold ions seems reasonable to me. I have read reports where lakes were poisoned by dissolved zinc compounds leaching from the soil, but never a report of gold ions concentrated to the amount where it could poison a lake. I believe any faint trace of gold ions would be millions of times less than dissolved zinc.

With respect to trade secrets, Carl did not ask to know Iconos method to locate treasure, but he did ask to see some reports from published scientists who describe this ionic and electrostatic fields that Iconos says exist around long time buried gold. We are still waiting to see the scientists reports so we can read them. We are also waiting to read the reports Carl asked for to read about published archaeologists who used the Iconos to locate treasures.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Carl-NC]

Yes, I would like to see actual published papers that support the claimed methods. This is a task easily done for induction metal detectors, magnetometry, sonar, radar, induced polarization, resistivity, quadrupole resonance, infrared, etc. But it seems impossible for LRL.

I would also like to know if someone in the USA has bought an Iconos locator. I will gladly arrange a visit, do some testing on both fresh and long-time buried gold, and report my findings, whatever they may be.

- Carl

[Seden]

Iconos,

I think you take the men on this forum for fools,but we have heard time and time again these same claims with no scientific proofs.:angry: Especially when you say the method is "secret".
For me to blindly shell out $7,238.60USD is beyond crazy. :nono:
Please don't joke with us making claims without independant test data.
I also very much like Carl's idea of meeting a person in the USA who owns a unit so he can see it for himself. Ok, I live in the Los Angeles area,is there a person I can contact?

How about Southern California, I'd be more than happy to drive to San Diego or Santa Barbara to see a demonstration,no problem.

Randy

[J_Player]

Hi iconos-md,

Please forgive doubting skeptics. We know your long range locator really works. We are only waiting for you to provide the information from published scientists who agree that there are ionic and static fields produced around long time buried gold, and to read reports published by archaeologists who found treasure with the Iconos.

I for one will be happy to take video movies of your Iconos finding buried treasure. I will also drive to San Diego or Santa Barbara or anywhere in between or 1000 kilometers distance from either of those Southern California locations. I can make accurate videos that show the true results of the Iconos finding treasure because I am not predisposed to believe the Iconos is incapable of finding anything. You can count on me to help you prove the Iconos is a true treasure finding machine when there is a test performed so I can capture on video.

Yes, $7,238.60USD is a lot of money to pay for a treasure machine. But if it works, then this is only a small bit compared to the millions of USD it will find in treasure. I am sure you will sell thousands of Iconos treasure locators after we see a demonstration of them finding long-time buried treasures. If you want some free advertising, then you may ship an Iconos Treasure finding machine to Seden, and I will make video movies of it finding long time buried gold for no cost to you. After I photograph Seden finding these long time buried treasures, then we will ship the Iconos back to you so you can sell it to a customer as a proven treasure finder.

But that's not all.... I will put up a professional web page showing the videos of the Iconos finding treasure that you can use for advertising the Iconos. This will be absolute proof it works from and independent tester and photographer. Nobody will be able to make any argument against the facts and the videos.

Best wishes,
J_P

[J_Player]

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[J_Player]

Hi iconos-md,

We have been waiting for you to show us where we can read publications made by scientists that explain the ionic and electrostatic fields from long-time buried gold. We have been waiting for you to show us where we can read the reports made by published archaeologists who found treasure with the Iconos locator. But you have not shown us any source where we can read what these scientists published.

Also, I received no reply for my offer to provide free testing of the Iconos locator. And I read another person who lives closer to you also offered to pay all expenses for you to test the Iconos in Italy, and he says you refused to allow any testing where there are known long-time buried metals:...iconos they are in contact with them and I have offered him to come in itali everything paid to make a will its metal but unfortunately they have refused, in my parts I know varied places where during the war they have hidden treasures but the points they are approximate and as I do to find them? whoever wants to come to find me and it possesses a metal that is able' to rouse them does me him to know
sorry for my english but i write with programmIs this true? Do you refuse to conduct any test to demonstrate how well the Iconos will find long-time buried metal?

Maybe I am asking too soon. Perhaps you are already making arrangements to accept the free testing with expenses paid to demonstrate the Iconos finding known long-time buried treasures in Italy.
Is this correct?
Are you preparing to make a demonstration?
Will you show where we can read the reports made by scientists soon?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Max]

Hi iconos-md,

Please forgive doubting skeptics. We know your long range locator really works. We are only waiting for you to provide the information from published scientists who agree that there are ionic and static fields produced around long time buried gold, and to read reports published by archaeologists who found treasure with the Iconos.

I for one will be happy to take video movies of your Iconos finding buried treasure. I will also drive to San Diego or Santa Barbara or anywhere in between or 1000 kilometers distance from either of those Southern California locations. I can make accurate videos that show the true results of the Iconos finding treasure because I am not predisposed to believe the Iconos is incapable of finding anything. You can count on me to help you prove the Iconos is a true treasure finding machine when there is a test performed so I can capture on video.

Yes, $7,238.60USD is a lot of money to pay for a treasure machine. But if it works, then this is only a small bit compared to the millions of USD it will find in treasure. I am sure you will sell thousands of Iconos treasure locators after we see a demonstration of them finding long-time buried treasures. If you want some free advertising, then you may ship an Iconos Treasure finding machine to Seden, and I will make video movies of it finding long time buried gold for no cost to you. After I photograph Seden finding these long time buried treasures, then we will ship the Iconos back to you so you can sell it to a customer as a proven treasure finder.

But that's not all.... I will put up a professional web page showing the videos of the Iconos finding treasure that you can use for advertising the Iconos. This will be absolute proof it works from and independent tester and photographer. Nobody will be able to make any argument against the facts and the videos.

Best wishes,
J_P

Hi,
"We know your long range locator really works. "

Who are "We" ? :lol:

I know that is just another that claim his LRL work. No big news.

So this:
"We know your long range locator really works. "
IS PURE DISINFORMATION.

Or not ? :razz:

Kind regards,
Max

[Max]

I'm the cure ! ;)

[Seden]

Max,

I've noticed since my most recent post above, haven't heard a peep out of Iconos. I'm very serious about meeting with someone in Southern California that has one of his units,so will see when Iconos comes back to this thread.

Randy

[Max]

Max,

I've noticed since my most recent post above, haven't heard a peep out of Iconos. I'm very serious about meeting with someone in Southern California that has one of his units,so will see when Iconos comes back to this thread.

Randy

Hi Randy,
yes you are right. We have to wait and see and test if possible.

Who knows ? maybe they found something new.

I'm interested too if there is something true working in their devices...
my , as you know, is mainly academic interest... but I could also buy one of these if they prove that their products work. ;)

Kind regards,
Max

[Rudy]

Hi Rudy,

The answer to your question of how the Iconos discriminates gold is given on their web page: http://www.iconos-md.eu/The method of discriminating is the Iconos revolutionary gold sensor. This is their trade secret, so we cannot expect them to reveal their secret method.

Your inference that traces of metal ions from zinc would be stronger than traces of gold ions seems reasonable to me. I have read reports where lakes were poisoned by dissolved zinc compounds leaching from the soil, but never a report of gold ions concentrated to the amount where it could poison a lake. I believe any faint trace of gold ions would be millions of times less than dissolved zinc.

With respect to trade secrets, Carl did not ask to know Iconos method to locate treasure, but he did ask to see some reports from published scientists who describe this ionic and electrostatic fields that Iconos says exist around long time buried gold. We are still waiting to see the scientists reports so we can read them. We are also waiting to read the reports Carl asked for to read about published archaeologists who used the Iconos to locate treasures.

Best wishes,
J_P


It is so effective and revolutionary, that they've decided to make it a trade secret rather than seeking patent protection.

Sounds like a variation of the Continuously Replenishable Anion Particles detector.:rolleyes:

[J_Player]

Who are "We" ?Don't worry Max, You are one of several persons who I never included in the "we" I talked about. Are you still posting guesses instead of facts?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Max]

Don't worry Max, You are one of several persons who I never included in the "we" I talked about. Are you still posting guesses instead of facts?

Best wishes,
J_P

are you still posting nonsenses and lies ?

Kind regards,
Max

[iconos-md]

To all members of the forum
We would like to point out some facts relating to the testing and demonstration of our Gold detectors that many of you demand before buying from us.
First of all you all know very well, that we are a new company on the worldwide market. Only since last week we have begun to deliver our first orders and we will not hide from you the fact that we can just barely cover production demands. We also want you to know that we manufacture most parts of the detector inhouse except for the Gold sensor,which is specially buit by another company, our partner, who wish to remain anonymous for manufacture secrecy.
Some members of this forum have asked for demonstration units and promise to present the results to the Worldwide forum, and we certainly support this and also naturally would like this publicity also. However there is a problem concerning this matter, which we wish to explain. If we begin to offer demonstration units this period for testing, it will be a disaster for our company. All potential new customers will not buy our detectors, but instead they will wait for the results of the test trials, which will mean the stopping of our production, halt of sales until the results are published, in order for the person who is interested to be able to purchase a detector.
We cannot afford to stop our production and sales for the duration of the testing and publishing of the results in order to satisfy some skeptics.
The demand for demostrations and tests from private individuals and professionals alike cannot become a reality, because this is a very big expense with doubtful results and a waste of time and money for us. We do not ask at this moment for opinions about the effectiveness of our detectors, just as we do not ask from our customers to present the positive results, because we know that each one prefers to keep for himself his findings, and we respect that.
Therefore you must understand that any effort on our behalf for the time being to convince the few skeptics who doubt the effectiveness of our Gold detector will generate many problems and delays for the many customers who want to buy this product, and this will not be good strategy for the reputation of our company. But since you are our future clients we must respect your views and opinions, and also we will accept your offer for testing and demonstrations as we have already found a way which will benefit everybody and make this possible.
We only need some more time to stabilize our production rate, and also to acquire the manufacturing know how process for the Gold sensor in order to manufacture this part inhouse also, since it is very costly and difficult to manufacture. Only then will we be able to acquire free demonstration units for the forum in order for people to test and see if our detectors really work 100%.
So you understand that we have NO DOUBTS about the reliability of our detectors, we only need some more time to have available some test units so that we can show the worldwide market what our detectors can achieve.
We thank you all for your understanding.
The iconos Team

[Qiaozhi]

To all members of the forum
We would like to point out some facts relating to the testing and demonstration of our Gold detectors that many of you demand before buying from us.
First of all you all know very well, that we are a new company on the worldwide market. Only since last week we have begun to deliver our first orders and we will not hide from you the fact that we can just barely cover production demands. We also want you to know that we manufacture most parts of the detector inhouse except for the Gold sensor,which is specially buit by another company, our partner, who wish to remain anonymous for manufacture secrecy.
Some members of this forum have asked for demonstration units and promise to present the results to the Worldwide forum, and we certainly support this and also naturally would like this publicity also. However there is a problem concerning this matter, which we wish to explain. If we begin to offer demonstration units this period for testing, it will be a disaster for our company. All potential new customers will not buy our detectors, but instead they will wait for the results of the test trials, which will mean the stopping of our production, halt of sales until the results are published, in order for the person who is interested to be able to purchase a detector.
We cannot afford to stop our production and sales for the duration of the testing and publishing of the results in order to satisfy some skeptics.
The demand for demostrations and tests from private individuals and professionals alike cannot become a reality, because this is a very big expense with doubtful results and a waste of time and money for us. We do not ask at this moment for opinions about the effectiveness of our detectors, just as we do not ask from our customers to present the positive results, because we know that each one prefers to keep for himself his findings, and we respect that.
Therefore you must understand that any effort on our behalf for the time being to convince the few skeptics who doubt the effectiveness of our Gold detector will generate many problems and delays for the many customers who want to buy this product, and this will not be good strategy for the reputation of our company. But since you are our future clients we must respect your views and opinions, and also we will accept your offer for testing and demonstrations as we have already found a way which will benefit everybody and make this possible.
We only need some more time to stabilize our production rate, and also to acquire the manufacturing know how process for the Gold sensor in order to manufacture this part inhouse also, since it is very costly and difficult to manufacture. Only then will we be able to acquire free demonstration units for the forum in order for people to test and see if our detectors really work 100%.
So you understand that we have NO DOUBTS about the reliability of our detectors, we only need some more time to have available some test units so that we can show the worldwide market what our detectors can achieve.
We thank you all for your understanding.
The iconos Team
This is quite understandable, and I would certainly be giving the same response if I was in your position. However, some people may say the real reason you are refusing to supply demonstration units is that the feedback will inevitably be negative, which of course will impact any future sales of your product. Basically you cannot win, whether you supply demo units or not.
If (on the other hand) your detectors really do perform as advertised, you should not hestitate to enter Carl's $25,000 dollar challenge and win. In that case Iconos would be the only LRL manufacturer able to backup their claims.
Personally I will not be holding my breath in expectation. :rolleyes:

[Carl-NC]

If we begin to offer demonstration units this period for testing, it will be a disaster for our company. All potential new customers will not buy our detectors, but instead they will wait for the results of the test trials, which will mean the stopping of our production, halt of sales until the results are published, in order for the person who is interested to be able to purchase a detector.

Practically all major detector manufacturers supply test units for user field evaluation and feedback. This is usually done prior to production, but you could still do so now, and there is no need to announce that this being done, therefore no impact on sales. I would gladly test your locator, exactly as you specify, and maintain complete secrecy until the both the tests and the report are completed.

Or, just let me know when a U.S. customer buys one, and I will work directly with them.

- Carl

[Max]

Hi,
so...nothing new !? what a surprise !

words, words, words... as you want.

novels ? :rolleyes:

facts = 0
proofs = 0
patents = 0 (?)

A misterious "partner company" that made the sensor... and this will make sound some bell in your head , all of you beliving in the magic of crystals. :rolleyes:

Oh sure... suppose I'm an LRL manifacturer...
if I "waste" my time showing to people my device I'll damage sales... :lol:
of course... expecially, if device doesn't work as claimed, :razz:
cause otherwise if it works... why not showing that to the world!?

I'll gain advertise for free worldwide and thousands of customer in minutes from all around the world if stuff goes on CNN and be reported as the unique LRL-thing that really work !

C'mon... be real. You wanna sell stuff without providing any proof or fact.

Not serious approach for me... maybe for others yes... but for me it's not.

Your device could also be working but I'll never buy one first of seeing it in action... or a report on a specialized magazine... too many frauds about fake-LRLs. :lol: I don't wanna be the next fool ! :lol:

Fact that you still ADVERTISE here your product without saying nothing more about technology and even specs of product e.g. detection ranges for diffent items , soils etc it's another proof you wanna just sell stuff.

But you're also explicit: the fact someone say that want first sell stuff and then after promise he'll give proof of working say everything for me.

He could just keep the money and disappear... like Woody Allen in "Take the Money and Run" :lol:

Iconos when you'll provide demonstration of your products ?
After earned your first 1,000,000$ or why not instead... await 10,000,000$ :lol:

Give us some light on your time-line.

Best regards,
Max

[Buzz(ID)]

I no electronic genius, what do you do when you encounter micro wave towers?

Buzz(ID)

[J_Player]

The demand for demostrations and tests from private individuals and professionals alike cannot become a reality... Therefore you must understand that any effort on our behalf for the time being to convince the few skeptics who doubt the effectiveness of our Gold detector will generate many problems and delays for the many customers who want to buy this product, and this will not be good strategy for the reputation of our company.This pretty much answers the question. Iconos says the demonstrations and tests cannot become a reality. Therefore, The very few skeptics (and any others who read this forum) may continue to think this machine does not work, while Iconos Proceeds to fill the orders for the "many customers" who are not skeptics from this forum.

The bottom line of Item 1:
Iconos refuses to provide a demonstration even if all expenses are paid in Italy.

Bottom line Item 2:
Iconos still has not produced any references to the published scientific papers that support the claimed methods.

Bottom line Item 3:
Iconos still has not told us of any archaeologist who used the Iconos locator to find treasure, or told us of any person in the USA who owns an Iconos locator that we can talk to.

Does this mean Iconos is afraid to demonstrate their locator, because they are afraid of the catastrophic financial ruin they would endure if it was observed their locator did not work?
Does this mean it is it true there are no published scientific papers to support the methods that Iconos told us about?
Does this mean no archaeologist ever used an Iconos to find treasure, and there is no Iconos owner in the USA available to talk to about their experience with the Iconos?

Iconos offered some excuses, but the bottom line is they will not demonstrate their detector, they will not provide any reference to scientists who wrote papers to support the claimed methods, and as far as Iconos has demonstrated so far, nobody on earth has ever found a treasure with an Iconos machine. Thus, for all practical purposes, customers are paying $7000+ USD for some talk and promises, not for results. I think I will wait until after I see the "many" satisfied customers with their amazing treasures before I send in my check.

I say let Iconos fill their "many orders" and let's see the "Many customers" post photos of their amazing treasure finds in the treasure hunter forums, and tell us all how wonderful the Iconos is, same as the thousands of happy Mieneoro customers do.

Best wishes,
J_P

[iconos-md]

Bottom line Item 2:
Iconos still has not produced any references to the published scientific papers that support the claimed methods.

J_P

Jplayer
If you run a search on spontaneous potentials and electrochemical potentials on the internet you will see for yourself all the reference you need on this phenomenon.
Now as to how we go about to detect this phenomenon and how we discriminate these static fields is another story,which is confidential.
So I dont understand why would you disagree with these tried and tested geophysical methods which are used everyday?

[J_Player]

I just finished searching "Spontaneous Potential" as you suggested. However, I did not find any published scientific papers supporting the principles you described. Most of the websites I found talked about nerve endings and spinal chords of animals, while a few referenced oil exploration companies who measured millivolt charges in rock masses in their boreholes. These borehole methods described using a grounded rod to reference the voltage of different rock masses in the borehole. They had nothing to do with sensing ions in the air. Here is what Wikipedia says about "spontaneous potential" which is similar to the few other geotechnical references -- "The Spontaneous Potential log, commonly called the self-potential log or SP log, is a measurement taken by oil industry well loggers to characterise rock formation properties. The log works by measuring small electric potentials (measured in millivolts) between depths in the borehole and a grounded voltage at the surface". This spontaneous potential is basically a method to identify clay and shale layers deep in a borehole which will have a different millivolt charge than sandstone because of a difference in salt content. It has nothing to do with long range location treasure through the air by means of the ions and earth's static charge as you described.

Since I cannot find these published scientific papers you claim are there, perhaps you could provide a few of the websites links to published papers that support the Iconos method you described locating treasures by means of ions in the air in combination with the earth's static field.
Keep in mind, we are not asking to know the secret electronics you use, only some published scientific papers that support the fact that treasures can be sensed through the air at long distances by the methods you already described of ions and the earth's static feild. So I dont understand why would you disagree with these tried and tested geophysical methods which are used everyday?Do you really think we are so stupid to accept your innuendo that I disagree with SP logging methods? Perhaps you did not understand the requset, or perhaps you are pretending not to understand. So I will re-state what I already said in different words:

I do not disagree with tested borehole methods of identifying different rock masses due to different salt contents. Nor do I disagree with the research that was done on the spinal chords and nerve endings and other biological tissues. My opinion is these tested methods have nothing to do with locating treasures at long distance through the air. They have nothing to do with Iconos. My opinion is they are fake references that Iconos uses to try to fool people into giving them money for a non-working machine. My disagreement is that Iconos has never shown us any published scientific paper that supports the methodology of detecting treasure through long distances in the air by means of ions and the earth's static charge.

The very few things we asked for are things that Iconos has refused to demonstrate or supply links to reference material published by scientists that we can read.

There is no need for me to repeat these few requests again, Iconos has utterly failed, and demonstrated that we are only to be given unsubstantiated words from Iconos...

•No real science published by a scientist.
•No real live demonstration of the Iconos finding treasure.
•No reference to any published archaeologist who ever used an Iconos detector to find treasure.
•No information about anyone who owns an Iconos detector in the USA.
•And Iconos also refused to accept an expense paid trip to italy to demonstrate the Iconos working.

My belief is only a fool would pay $7000+ USD for a treasure finding machine with no credentials and fake science links, and the manufacturer refuses to demonstrate the treasure finder working.

And this is the reason I am convinced for all practical purposes, customers are expected to pay $7000+ USD for some talk and promises, not for results.

Am I right? Or can you provide some links for us to read that were written by scientists to support the notion treasure can be located from a long distance through the air by means of ions and the atmospheric static charge?

Best wishes,
J_P

[putrechigi]

in italia who has this passion it knows thousand and thousand places of various epoches where impossible not to find something of gold that they is found by hundreds of years would be, we could try the various lrls or as they call, the hope that one of their functions really I believe that the heart of all those feeds that come in this very beautiful forum, with this I don't want to say that the various metals don't work but their omission in tests or gives, it doesn't make him a lot of honor, I believe that don't cost very to wait for some the iconos if and' only the time the problem, enough that they are not months!!!! I/you/they are firmly convinced that hung as esteban that always bring schemes and discussions deepened in polite and formal way are to a footstep from the victory with the hope that at least them these blessed 25000 dollars if they award them a regard to everybody

[Clondike Clad]

Why is this electric field formed only by gold or other noble metals? Seems to me that other, more electrically active and more plentiful metals (e.g. Zinc) would create even stronger ionic fields. If these non-noble metals also give rise to these fields, how does one go about discriminating between them, since in either case, these fields are quasi-static or DC in nature.
...What the voltage of the signal being detected,,,,0.00000000003uv or what?
I would like to see the signal on a scope.....

[hung]

I would gladly test your locator, exactly as you specify, and maintain complete secrecy until the both the tests and the report are completed.
Carl

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Max]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Hi,
talk of serious things...

do you know this Barbados beauty ? :lol:

Aren't you from SA all known one each other ? :rolleyes:

At the end I'll discover that Mineoro's CEO is Rihanna, from Barbados... but she prefer be called Damaso... in private :lol:

Wow ! If so... I'll visit Mineoro's production plant soon man ! ;)
Just to see Rihanna... and kiss her hands... not for to see crappy-LRLs ! :razz:

Kind regards,
Max

[Qiaozhi]

Jplayer
If you run a search on spontaneous potentials and electrochemical potentials on the internet you will see for yourself all the reference you need on this phenomenon.
Now as to how we go about to detect this phenomenon and how we discriminate these static fields is another story,which is confidential.
So I dont understand why would you disagree with these tried and tested geophysical methods which are used everyday?
This is the same sort of pseudoscientific gobbledygook that Mineoro uses to market their own devices. You are distorting real scientific methods to support your dubious claims.
I'm sure that many people here have noticed the con in Iconos! :lol:

[J_Player]

This is the same sort of pseudoscientific gobbledygook that Mineoro uses to market their own devices.Are you beginning to suspect that Mineoro might be the Iconos "secret partner" who manufacturers the gold sensor and does not wish to be known?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Locator]

J_Player...i don't think so:cool: are differently each other:)

[iconos-md]

...What the voltage of the signal being detected,,,,0.00000000003uv or what?
I would like to see the signal on a scope.....

Just so that you all can see for the first time,this is what the waveform looks like when we detect the buried gold. This has been captured with a very expensive scope the LeCroy 7100A unit.The X scale is in Kilovolts and the Y scale is in picoseconds.This is what is detected when you enter the static field of buried Gold............... energy peaks.........

[Seden]

Nice Pulsed Induction decay pulse Iconos. Keep that up and I might start to believe in what your doing. LeCroy,man I wouldn't shell out the bucks for those over priced scopes when a H.P. or Tektronix will do-but they are top of the line units.

Randy

[Max]

Just so that you all can see for the first time,this is what the waveform looks like when we detect the buried gold. This has been captured with a very expensive scope the LeCroy 7100A unit.The X scale is in Kilovolts and the Y scale is in picoseconds.This is what is detected when you enter the static field of buried Gold............... energy peaks.........

Hi,
you say that this is from buried gold detection... ok.

But we have to belive your words cause who knows if the diagram is the product of some other signal generation ?

And cause you show here a picture I'll belive you and your product work and maybe buy it ? :lol:

No no man... I wanna see with my eyes device finding gold or a report on a specialized magazine.

You can also show here the dark side of the moon but no way convincing me and people like me that device really work....

Also me can simulate a peak on screen at 0.01 pS and 10KV... no problems it's a drawing ! :lol:

So... if you want give to the world the proof that your stuff really work as claimed... stop talking and posting cartoons : give a public demonstration e.g. in the US or UK and if your words are truth and facts you'll gain lot of fame and lot of money in few months.

Other things means nothing... I mean also Mineoro posted clouds of ions and now we all (about all) laugh at these.

Kind regards,
Max

[Rudy]

Just so that you all can see for the first time,this is what the waveform looks like when we detect the buried gold. This has been captured with a very expensive scope the LeCroy 7100A unit.The X scale is in Kilovolts and the Y scale is in picoseconds.This is what is detected when you enter the static field of buried Gold............... energy peaks.........

I think you got it wrong. The Y scale seems to be the Voltage axis and the X axis is the time axis.

Now please explain how a 7100A, which only has a maximum of 3 GHz bandwidth, is able to show a waveform which according to your explanation of the axis scale is a fraction of 1 picosecond. Sorry Iconos, it doesn't make sense. Also explain the almost 4 KVolt signal and how you can display that on a 7100A without further killing the bandwidth due to parasitic capacitance.

[Max]

I think you got it wrong. The Y scale seems to be the Voltage axis and the X axis is the time axis.

Now please explain how a 7100A, which only has a maximum of 3 GHz bandwidth, is able to show a waveform which according to your explanation of the axis scale is a fraction of 1 picosecond. Sorry Iconos, it doesn't make sense. Also explain the almost 4 KVolt signal and how you can display that on a 7100A without further killing the bandwidth due to parasitic capacitance.

Hi Rudy,
good points.

From my informations leCroy 7100A XXL is not 3GHz bandwidth but just 1GHz bandwidth and with rise-time minimum of 400ps... so me too don't understand how he/they pretend to see fractions of ps in its screen ! :lol:

Mistery of LRL-electronics ! :rolleyes:

Anyway... as I said before... any photoshop could beat in speed the better scope out there for that purposes (showing cartoons)! :lol:

Best regards,
Max

[J_Player]

Look at the waveform below. Can you guess what brand of LRL generated this waveform? (Hint: Uses more than one set of supply batteries).

Get one point for each correct answer -- 5 points possible:

• What property of gold is being measured?
• What kind of amplifier was used to produce the waveform shown?
• Extra bonus point if you can name the IC being measured.
• Does this LRL use any RF signals over 3khz?
• What brand of LRL was this waveform measured on?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Carl-NC]

Iconos,

Your waveform has all the indicators of fabricated artwork... fuzzy grid lines as if from a screenshot, and a crisp waveform line as if from Paintshop Pro. And I suppose you had the 500GHz option installed on your LeCroy, because that's what it would take to capture that waveform.:nono:

So when are we going to hear from archaeological professionals who have published accounts of treasure recoveries made with the Iconos? Or anyone, for that matter?

- Carl

[Qiaozhi]

Iconos,

Your waveform has all the indicators of fabricated artwork... fuzzy grid lines as if from a screenshot, and a crisp waveform line as if from Paintshop Pro.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Very funny...

Poor Iconos. You've been busted.

[Max]

Poor Iconos ... he would like a business explosion... and now he get it? :lol:

Maybe he didn't mean an explosion in his hands like this... :rolleyes:

So... next time... Mr. Iconos... use a cigar... instead of a fake photoshopped-LeCroy much more safe...kind of a fog... and you'll avoid mess ! :lol:

Best regards,
Max

[J_Player]

And the winner is.... CARL-NC!!!

Yes, Carl won the guess the LRL contest. He offered the only correct answer:

Your waveform has all the indicators of fabricated artwork... fuzzy grid lines as if from a screenshot, and a crisp waveform line as if from Paintshop Pro. And I suppose you had the 500GHz option installed on your LeCroy, because that's what it would take to capture that waveform.:nono:The waveform I posted was actually a 1/2 size screenshot of the Iconos posted waveform, and I edited the part where the waveform began fluctuating as well as the volt scale, and erased some identifying marks, then converted the finished image to a gif to save filesize.

Yup my fake waveform was designed to fool people into thinking there is some electronic waveform to prove there is a signal from an LRL, when it is really only some image editing. Now if I was a weasel or some rodent that wanted people to send me money, I could use this fake waveform to help trick foolish people into mailing their check to me. Of course I would never provide any scientific publications to demonstrate that scientists believe it works too. Nor would I provide any references to any archaeologists or anyone at all that ever found any treasure with my LRL.

Oh, the beauty of it... :razz: I could buy some surplus junk parts like odd-shaped coils, old telephone wires, pieces of plastic water pipes and glue them all together with hot melt glue. Nobody would be the wiser, because I told everyone it works on a secret principle that no EE can figure out. :D

I expected Carl-NC to be the most likely to figure out the answer first, followed by Qiaozhi and maybe Max. The hint I left in the image is exactly what carl noticed: The sharp waveform where I edited it. But Carl's answer was directed at Iconos, not my post. Apparently Carl was not interested in my prize -- a brand new Toyoda. He is more interested in hearing from archaeological professionals who have published accounts of treasure recoveries made with the Iconos, or anyone, for that matter.

And a good thing Carl is not interested in my prize, because the new Toyoda is a fake too...

[Carl-NC]

Actually, JP, I was typing my post as you posted yours, so I didn't see yours until after I posted. But the fakery was pretty obvious, eh? Gotta get me a 500GHz module for my DSO.

Regarding the Toyoda, I recall some woman suing after she won one... didn't like the upholstery er sumpthin like that.

- Carl

[Qiaozhi]

Actually, JP, I was typing my post as you posted yours, so I didn't see yours until after I posted. But the fakery was pretty obvious, eh? Gotta get me a 500GHz module for my DSO.

Regarding the Toyoda, I recall some woman suing after she won one... didn't like the upholstery er sumpthin like that.

- Carl
I think you're confused between a Toyoda and a Toyota. :rolleyes:

[Carl-NC]

PANAMA CITY, Fla. (AP) — A former waitress has settled her lawsuit against Hooters, the restaurant that gave her a toy Yoda doll instead of the Toyota she thought she had won.

Jodee Berry, 27, won a beer sales contest last May at the Panama City Beach Hooters. She believed she had won a new Toyota and happily was escorted to the restaurant's parking lot in a blindfold.

But when the blindfold was removed, she found she had won a new toy Yoda — the little green character from the Star Wars movies.

David Noll, her attorney, said Wednesday that he could not disclose the settlement's details, although he said Berry can now go to a local car dealership and "pick out whatever type of Toyota she wants."

After the stunt, Berry quit the restaurant and filed a lawsuit against Gulf Coast Wings, the restaurant's corporate owner, alleging breach of contract and fraudulent misrepresentation.

The restaurant's manager, Jared Blair, has said the whole contest was an April Fools' joke.


Only in the USA...

[J_Player]

David Noll, her attorney, said Wednesday that he could not disclose the settlement's details, although he said Berry can now go to a local car dealership and "pick out whatever type of Toyota she wants."I wonder if she picked out this one: http://www.bornrich.org/entry/toyota-launches-worlds-most-expensive-hybrid-for-104750/

After the stunt, Berry quit the restaurant and filed a lawsuit against Gulf Coast Wings, the restaurant's corporate owner, alleging breach of contract and fraudulent misrepresentation.I wonder if the fools who ordered the Iconos will be able to file a lawsuit in the island of Cyprus if their LRLs don't find any treasure? Maybe kind of hard if they don't live in Cyprus. But if they do live in Cyprus and they win the lawsuit, will they be able to choose their favourite treasure for a settlement? (Hint... no way).

The restaurant's manager, Jared Blair, has said the whole contest was an April Fools' joke.
Hmmmmm.... This makes me wonder if the Iconos LRL is also an April fools joke..??? Nope, can't be. These bozos are serious, cause it ain't April!

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[J_Player]

I think you're confused between a Toyoda and a Toyota. :rolleyes:Errrrr... you are wrong, Star Wars breath.... Guess who is Toyoda? :D
.

[Qiaozhi]

Errrrr... you are wrong, Star Wars breath.... Guess who is Toyoda? :D
.
Now that is funny! :lol:

“Powerful you have become, the dark side I sense in you.”

[putrechigi]

To all members of the forum
To all members of the forum
We would like to point out some facts relating to the testing and demonstration of our Gold detectors that many of you demand before buying from us.
First of all you all know very well, that we are a new company on the worldwide market. Only since last week we have begun to deliver our first orders and we will not hide from you the fact that we can just barely cover production demands. We also want you to know that we manufacture most parts of the detector inhouse except for the Gold sensor,which is specially buit by another company, our partner, who wish to remain anonymous for manufacture secrecy.
Some members of this forum have asked for demonstration units and promise to present the results to the Worldwide forum, and we certainly support this and also naturally would like this publicity also. However there is a problem concerning this matter, which we wish to explain. If we begin to offer demonstration units this period for testing, it will be a disaster for our company. All potential new customers will not buy our detectors, but instead they will wait for the results of the test trials, which will mean the stopping of our production, halt of sales until the results are published, in order for the person who is interested to be able to purchase a detector.
We cannot afford to stop our production and sales for the duration of the testing and publishing of the results in order to satisfy some skeptics.
The demand for demostrations and tests from private individuals and professionals alike cannot become a reality, because this is a very big expense with doubtful results and a waste of time and money for us. We do not ask at this moment for opinions about the effectiveness of our detectors, just as we do not ask from our customers to present the positive results, because we know that each one prefers to keep for himself his findings, and we respect that.
Therefore you must understand that any effort on our behalf for the time being to convince the few skeptics who doubt the effectiveness of our Gold detector will generate many problems and delays for the many customers who want to buy this product, and this will not be good strategy for the reputation of our company. But since you are our future clients we must respect your views and opinions, and also we will accept your offer for testing and demonstrations as we have already found a way which will benefit everybody and make this possible.
We only need some more time to stabilize our production rate, and also to acquire the manufacturing know how process for the Gold sensor in order to manufacture this part inhouse also, since it is very costly and difficult to manufacture. Only then will we be able to acquire free demonstration units for the forum in order for people to test and see if our detectors really work 100%.
So you understand that we have NO DOUBTS about the reliability of our detectors, we only need some more time to have available some test units so that we can show the worldwide market what our detectors can achieve.
We thank you all for your understanding.
The iconos Team


kind iconos I think that the time from you required has passed, thing have produced your tests? now will see if are really the serious firm that say to be or no, let's be all ears!

best regards

[putrechigi]

Even your news, you will not want me to think that you are not very serious?:oh::nono::oh::nono::oh::nono:

best reguards

[Seden]

Hey, where did you disappear to? I'm waiting for the day you sell to someone in the Los Angeles/Ventura County area that I could get a demonstration of your unit, eh?

Randy

[Kirk Chi]

Please find below the summary of my business transactions with ICONOS Gold Detector:

- After 83 days after ICONOS received the money, I still do not have the product delivered.
- ICONOS shipped a defective product that does not work, so I returned the product back.
- ICONOS requested more money (350 Euros) for the replacement. They promised that they will ship the replace immediately once they receive the additional money.
- I sent additional money.
- ICONOS informed me that they have shipped the replacement unit using a courier company.
- But I did not receive the product. I confirmed with the courier company that the tracking number they provided does not even exist. The courier company confirmed to me that there is no shipment coming to me
- I tried to reach ICONOS repeatedly, but ICONOS does not respond to my emails and calls anymore.

[Dell Winders]

Kirk, I am very sorry to hear of your dilemma with Iconos. It's a helpless, empty feeling in the gut to be betrayed. I sure hope it works out for you.

They also give a bad name to electronics people. I wish you the best in dealing with the people at Iconis. Dell

[Clondike Clad]

Kirk, I am very sorry to hear of your dilemma with Iconos. It's a helpless, empty feeling in the gut to be betrayed. I sure hope it works out for you.

They also give a bad name to electronics people. I wish you the best in dealing with the people at Iconis. Dell

Can you really look at what you are saying.
You are doing te same thing.

[Fred]

Can you really look at what you are saying.
You are doing te same thing.

:lol:

[Qiaozhi]

Can you really look at what you are saying.
You are doing te same thing.
In fact he's not really giving a bad name to electronics people, because clearly he isn't one! :lol:

[rajesh]

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The workhorse of the gold testing. Easy to use, quickly and efficiently detects karat value of the gold from 6 to 18 karats. Also detects platinum and separates solid gold items from gold plated ones. Provides a numeric reading on the lcd display that corresponds to the karat table. Manufacturers repair or replacement warranty one year.
Size: 12” X 9” X 2” (305 X 254 X 76mm)
Weight: 1.5 Lb (.700 Kg)
Power: Two 9 Volt Batteries

Replacement Gel:tb-289 $18.00
Suggested Retail: $239.00


OWNER'S MANUAL (http://www.trielectronics.com/Manuals/GT3000.pdf)

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The essential tool that goes to high range. Tests gold alloys from 6 to 24 karats in all four colors. Accurately tests from 6 to 18 and 24 karats values then range of 20-22 karats. No dangerous acids or messy harmful chemicals. Ecologically safe provides a numeric reading on the LCD display that corresponds to the karat table. Manufacturer’s repair or replacement warranty two years.
Size: 12” x 9” x 2” (305 x 254 x 76mm)
Weight: 2.0 lb (.900 kg)
Power: 2 9volt batteries
Replacement Gel: tb-24 $18.00
Suggested Retail: $375.00


Replacement Gels:

Tb-289 Gel Yellow Used With Gxl-18 And Gt-3000 Gold Testers
Tb-24 Gel Pink Used With Gxl-24 And Gt-4000 Gold Testers



OWNER'S MANUAL (http://www.trielectronics.com/Manuals/GT4000.pdf)
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[Fred]

Hi Rajesh
it´s in the title, just google "us patent 4799999" :)

[rajesh]

Hi Rajesh
it´s in the title, just google "us patent 4799999" :) hi fred i knowe that can you send me a real truth electroni gold testor link ineed to knowe how to do work that. what"s method used in enternal circuit.......rajesh

[WM6]

Even on Alibaba treated as unverified supplier. And prices are really "gold".

http://www.alibaba.com/product-free/111523368/XRF_6308_portable_Gold_Tester_based.html

[reza vir]

Can you really look at what you are saying.
You are doing te same thing.

your doing VR800 :)

http://wdl.persiangig.com/pages/download/?dl=http://batman1972.persiangig.com/document/VR.pdf