some cosiderations

[Seden]

Ah I see you were looking at his most recent patent 7,221,164 and yeah that's pretty cutting edge allright. Who would of thought of using water as an E field sensor?

The previous patent I mentioned gives all the engineering details that are left out in the one you quoted plus the frequency graphs. And the distances above earth plus being able to see down 20,000 feet or greater definately puts it in the class of an LRL big time.

We of course recognize the fact that the E field is vertically polarized and so limits the distance for someone on the ground the possibility of that kind of range away from the target but still being able to get the depth no problem.
But how far can the vertically polarized E field be detected on the ground? What is the formula to calculate this?

Randy

[J_Player]

It would depend on the configuration and orientation of your antenna as well as the sensing electronics.

[Max]

Esteban:

This Max loose clarity in mind. He is not prepared for to discuss seriously. :nono:

Is well if he have experience in electronic LRL. But NO. Also ANY idea about it.

Margarita ante porcos.

Best Regards

Nihil Roma Maius

Hi,
I've built one... of these I posted (the first) that has a kind of translation of article by Quiaozhi, results:

-detect power lines, all kind of noise
-in my test garden cannot detect any of my targets (even buried for 7years)
- outside (forests etc) it can be tuned to be almost silent... but then detected a big power line at 200meters... randomic beeps... even far storms !

Totally unuseful. Waste of time.

Margarita ante porcos ! :lol:

Best regards,
Max

[J_Player]

Are you sure the devices you built had a low pass filter and were optimized to look at low frequencies below 1 HZ? What were the resonant frequencies of the noise you found?

Best wishes,
J_Player

[J_Player]

***** NEW HALO LAW IS PASSED! *****

Through duly processed principles of democracy, the halo law is hereby enacted as a result of popular vote of the voting members of the remote sensing forum. The voters have determined in a free election that:

1. Halo is real.
2. Halo is good for metal detectors.
3. Halo is good for LRLs.

Democracy proves what is true and what is not!
From this point forward, you may invoke the halo law any time somebody tells you there is no halo, and you will be correct. If you don't agree with the new halo law, then maybe you should have voted!


The final results of the halo voting were:

3 votes Halo is real.
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Be sure to update your records about halo is real and is good for detectors and LRLs.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Max]

Are you sure the devices you built had a low pass filter and were optimized to look at low frequencies below 1 HZ? What were the resonant frequencies of the noise you found?

Best wishes,
J_Player

Hi,
I've followed the original schematic, no mods. It cannot find the water as said... I mean can't do it for rivers and other surface flowing water and also for underground flows, tested in 3 different places for underground water , 2 places have underground pipes with a constant flow of water inside, 1 is a natural underground flow of water of know origin (river).

Found absolutely nothing. No beeps at all in the 3 tests.

Of course, same for metals, even long time buried. Nothing.

In the same place I've tested it I found then after 3 ancient items using a VLF metal detector : 1 copper 18mm diameter, 2 bronze long shape.

Circuits of above serve nothing, don't work for water or metals, just find AC noise.

Best regards,
Max

[J_Player]

don't work for water or metals, just find AC noise.You did not answer my questions: Are you sure the devices you built had a low pass filter and were optimized to look at low frequencies below 1 HZ? What were the resonant frequencies of the noise you found?Ok, now what was your low pass filter cutoff point? what was the resonant frequency of the noise you heard? Was the AC noise below 1Hz like I asked? Or was it above 1 Hz? How many db attenuation did your circuit have for frequencies above 2 Hz?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Max]

You did not answer my questions: Ok, now what was your low pass filter cutoff point? what was the resonant frequency of the noise you heard? Was the AC noise below 1Hz like I asked? Or was it above 1 Hz? How many db attenuation did your circuit have for frequencies above 2 Hz?

Best wishes,
J_P

? what do you mean ?
Don't you see the circuit diagram ?

Do you mean that if I'll mod it like you said I'll detect water or metals with it?

Don't understand.

[J_Player]

Hi Max,

I mean nothing different than what I asked.

Let me ask again so you can understand:

1. What was your low pass filter cutoff point?
2. What was the resonant frequency of the noise you heard?
3. Was the AC noise you say you found below 1Hz? Or was it above 1 Hz?
4. How many db attenuation did your circuit have for frequencies above 2 Hz?

I did not say anything about what you will find or anything to mod. I only asked those questions. Do you know the answers?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Max]

Hi Max,

I mean nothing different than what I asked.

Let me ask again so you can understand:

1. What was your low pass filter cutoff point?
2. What was the resonant frequency of the noise you heard?
3. Was the AC noise you say you found below 1Hz? Or was it above 1 Hz?
4. How many db attenuation did your circuit have for frequencies above 2 Hz?

I did not say anything about what you will find or anything to mod. I only asked those questions. Do you know the answers?

Best wishes,
J_P

Hi,
why don't you ask Esteban... or Carlos... ?
They posted the schematic, not me. :razz:

Kind regards,
Max

[J_Player]

I asked you because only you are claiming this circuit does not work, not esteban. If it does not work, it also appears you know nothing about the noise you are finding, or else you could easily answer.

Since you have no answers, I can assume you are detecting noise at more than 1 Hz, and you do not have a low pass filter that stops it. At least I can assume that until you decide to do some actual observation of what you were detecting and make a report that the noise was not more than 1 Hz.

Best wishes,
J_p

[Tim Williams]

I asked Max questions also. He answered with a question. Enough said.

[Max]

I asked Max questions also. He answered with a question. Enough said.

I asked you if you are a seller/manifacturer of LRL:

you answered me with a question about dowsing ! :lol:

I asked you if you are a dowser or not:

you answered me with a question about if I belive in GOD. :razz:

Say everything for me.

[Max]

I asked you because only you are claiming this circuit does not work, not esteban. If it does not work, it also appears you know nothing about the noise you are finding, or else you could easily answer.

Since you have no answers, I can assume you are detecting noise at more than 1 Hz, and you do not have a low pass filter that stops it. At least I can assume that until you decide to do some actual observation of what you were detecting and make a report that the noise was not more than 1 Hz.

Best wishes,
J_p

Hi JP,
"I asked you because only you are claiming this circuit does not work"

you are wrong... read the Zahori thread again and better next time.

Ivconic and Michael don't find their targets in tests like me.
Michael said that unit cannot detect water flows. Same as I've reported.

You're a bit confused... as always. :lol:

"Since you have no answers, I can assume you are detecting noise at more than 1 Hz, and you do not have a low pass filter that stops it."

Assume what you want. I've built what in schematic and doesn't work with water or metals. It was claimed finding water flows :

Nothing of nothing.

There isn't any reference to the need of making additional filter or other things. So what you're trying to say here ?

Maybe that I'm a newbie electronics guy and that's my fault if it doesn't work !? :lol:

Open the windows, there is smell of BS in your room. :razz:

Kind regards,
Max

[Max]

Hi JP,
here is Ivconic report on result , with which I totally agree:

""Crack"hori....
:)

Regarding to previous posts here on Zahori subject,also on Robert's,mine and
somebody's elses doubts, i decided to build it and test it. Although,i do not
beleive in such apparatus like Zahori,Mineoro etc. I simply could not continue
to talk here,maybe argue with some people here, without any practical experience
on that subject.So it is quite normal first to build it and test it and than to
switch on retorics. So, here is some of my notes on this Zahori subject:
First of all,i did'nt like idea on using 6x1.5v batt.'s at all. I changed that part
of schematic as follows on posted picture bellow. I respected Esteban's opinion
on not to use voltage regulators of 78xx type. Why Zahori refuses to act normal
when operating on that kind of power supply, i realy don't know, i never tested it
anyway.But using some op-amp to generate symetrical power supply from one 9V batt.
is more than good solution, it showed in many designs so far. So this supposed to be
only evasion from original schematic posted here.
So when i finished, packed it in a suitable box.On the front panel there are 3
potentiometers: "volume","sens" and "freq." As well as 2 operational switches and one
ON/OFF switch. I omited VU scale,respecting Esteban's hint too.
When switched ON, you can hear sound,loud and clear.When adjusting those pots. a
lot of strange sounds came out of apparatus.In some positions of pots. you can
acquire apparatus to stop "yelling". On the very edge of "crack and click" from the
speaker, when turning around,with antena pointing in some power source there is a
noticeable rising in tone and much louder "click" become "beep" and even "bleeep".
So there some "detection" IS going on for sure! When sight it to TV set,is detecting
it very noticeable even from the 6 meters distance!!!
Noticed even,when TV set is switched OFF but remain plugged in the wall socket, is still
detectable easy! But when tv is unplugged from wall socket, than no detection at all!
Same situation with all electronic apparatus in my house.
Step by step i have been tested and checked every situation and condition available on this
subject. I spent 3 days doing this. So now i am much,much more experienced when talking
on Zahori stuff. Of course, i did not have possibility to check it on some burried
treasure, 'cose still do not have any one around my house, but also checked it on my
test field in the backyard of my home.
NONE of the items in my test field( over 200 burried items,various depths,various
materials,various sizes and various time in gnd.-from 1 to 10 years as burried)
WAS DETECTED with this Zahori !!! Neither one detected item!!!
The very same situation and results as with my ionic detector!
I also noticed one very important thing! AC power sources and lines are very easy
detectable with Zahori.But DC power sources and lines are not, almost at all!
I also went outdoor near high voltage power line(10kV). Zahori detected it from the
80 meters distance, loud and clear !!! Also went deep in the mountain, far away from
any city noise and hum. Zahori remained silenced in 99%. On a few spots it produced
some very weak "click's", why ? I do not know, but i doubt that there is some treasure
in the ground there.
After all, what to say...? Now i am even more awared and sure that this kind of apparatus
are simply not suitable for any prospecting and relic/treasure hunting at all!
I knew that before, but wanted to make final step and build it, not just to rely my
claims on previous knowledge,science backuped facts and common sence.
The very same thing i commend to the others here.Just stop for a while with retorics.
Spend a few days,build it and test it.After that you gonna have your own experience.
Zahori is not non working joke.No, Zahori is working for real.It is detecting for real
AC sources on very respectable distances, depending of power and freq. of that source.
But it is not suitable for porspecting and as it is, this forum is just not the place
for this kind of apparatus at all. Only if somebody convince me here, that burried
treasure can produce AC charge...
Respecting the "ground battery" phenomena explained in some posts here, i think that it
has nothing related with zahori subject at all.
Of course, one more time, i would stay reserved off claiming things i never experienced
only focused on things i have been so far.
I had one mineoro on testing few months ago.The simillar behavior occured whit AC too.
I would say nothing much more on that subject due to avoiding any further argue here.
regards"

So are you still convinced that it works ? :lol:

BS.

Best regards,
Max

[Max]

and here is Michael's report after the field test, still I totally agree that device don't work, read:


Michael wrote
"
Hi to all. I fulfilled the zahori and took it for some test and searchings.
at first it's necessary for me thank to Esteban for his helps and favors to me, in fact without his meekly leadings I never could experience such a detector.
the results were;
1- it detects every electronic line or field very well.
with medium sensitivity it has no reaction for an off light ,but when turn it on gives signal at least from 4 meters. and detects a refrigerator plugged in switch from 6 meters.
2- In remote areas without any kind of manmade field, if you set in medium sens, works very stably and you can sweep very fast.
we swept many places that couldn't do by yesterday.
but by increasing sens will have many signals. the best length of antenna was 50-60 Cm. the best way to find out for best set is similar to mineoro by touching the antenna and hearing beeps then can adjust by sens and threshold volums.
I must confess that it was first time experienced such a reliable remote sensor.
we can call it a Conventional RS.
of course we found no metal object everywhere. Even when took it for our buried test target(60 cm x 40 cm x 30 cm metal box full of iron in 3 meters depth) never gave beep.
Only in one place (very near a big stone) we had suspicious beeps for every time and from every side we had a different singnal there. may be was from under the stone.
here was the place we had searched it befor by our PI but had no signal .
3- we had no signal for every kind of flowing water.in river or rivulet.
It's limitations:
1- It will be affected by wind seriously. in windy day working is impossible.(especially when wind speed is 30km/h and more)
2- even when you set in medium sens, you should stop and move device when walk or step, gives beep. the way is step, stop then move it and this reduce your speed, unless you search by low sens. I guess if it's able to detect a big long buried object, maximum distance won't be longer than 10 meters.
This 2 limitations worried me about mineoro LDLs; If those have such limitations?
Hung, Esteban, Mosha and others who have experienced mineoro, please inform me yes or no?
Can we tell Zahori is a shadow of mineoro?
By the way I have a short Wmv file of how zahori works. If anybody desire, I will send it for."

Still do you think that I'm the only that reported here that circuit doesn't work like claimed ? :lol:

It doesn't work with water !
It's a FACT. Just AC noise. Test yourself before saying BS.

Open the windows ! :razz:

Kind regards,
Max

[Max]

Hi JP,
this is maybe also much more important to know who is lying here.

Hung's post about using Mineoro's from the car in motion ... cause he was talking about wind effects on device usability.

Read it.

BS. Every ignition spark in the engine would be detected by Mineoro's LRL.

All BS.

Everyone have used one could tell you that.
I haven't but people reported here that Mineoro's are really sensitive to AC noise, like all other startrek pistols, like the one I've built myself.

That's what is all this LRLs talking by these people.

A LONG TIME BURIED PILE OF BS.

Kind regards,
Max

[J_Player]

Hi max,

I am not confused. I made no reference to old posts from Ivconic or Robert. This is your confusion. I asked only about what you posted la few hours ago. If you don't know what you posted or what I asked, I will paste it here for you:I've followed the original schematic, no mods. It cannot find the water as said... I mean can't do it for rivers and other surface flowing water and also for underground flows, tested in 3 different places for underground water , 2 places have underground pipes with a constant flow of water inside, 1 is a natural underground flow of water of know origin (river).

Found absolutely nothing. No beeps at all in the 3 tests.

Of course, same for metals, even long time buried. Nothing.

In the same place I've tested it I found then after 3 ancient items using a VLF metal detector : 1 copper 18mm diameter, 2 bronze long shape.

Circuits of above serve nothing, don't work for water or metals, just find AC noise.Your tricks won't work to pretend you did not say this a few hours ago. Also you still did not show you had the frequencies above 1 Hz attenuated. Therefore we can safely assume you did not. And in fact, you don't even know what frequency noise signals you were measuring as far as I can tell. Unless you have some real information to show what you measured instead of old posts from other people who did not have anyone asking if they looked for any ELF telluric currents below 1 Hz.

Can you tell us what frequency noise you measured? Do you have any clue? Are you now claiming you really do know what kind of noise you measured? If so tell us what frequencies they were. I don't believe you know.

I also don't think you know what questions I asked, even after I re-posted them to make it easy for you to see them. It appears you are very confused, to the point of not perceiving the words in front of you.

Your confusion about the questions I asked and about old posts from others makes me wonder if Nihil Roma Maius was correct when he said "Max loose clarity in mind." and when he said "I read something about "stressed". Did Nihil Roma Maius mean you need to take your medicine to regain clarity of mind?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Max]

Hi max,

I am not confused. I made no reference to old posts from Ivconic or Robert. This is your confusion. I asked only about what you posted la few hours ago. If you don't know what you posted or what I asked, I will paste it here for you:Your tricks won't work to pretend you did not say this a few hours ago. Also you still did not show you had the frequencies above 1 Hz attenuated. Therefore we can safely assume you did not. And in fact, you don't even know what frequency noise signals you were measuring as far as I can tell. Unless you have some real information to show what you measured instead of old posts from other people who did not have anyone asking if they looked for any ELF telluric currents below 1 Hz.

Can you tell us what frequency noise you measured? Do you have any clue? Are you now claiming you really do know what kind of noise you measured? If so tell us what frequencies they were. I don't believe you know.

I also don't think you know what questions I asked, even after I re-posted them to make it easy for you to see them. It appears you are very confused, to the point of not perceiving the words in front of you.

Your confusion about the questions I asked and about old posts from others makes me wonder if Nihil Roma Maius was correct when he said "Max loose clarity in mind." and when he said "I read something about "stressed". Did Nihil Roma Maius mean you need to take your medicine to regain clarity of mind?

Best wishes,
J_P

Hi,
"Your tricks won't work to pretend you did not say this a few hours ago. "

NOW YOU ARE LYING HERE. I DON'T PRETEND OF CHANGING ANYTHING OF WHAT I'VE SAID.

You say that so you are a liar and a clown.

I've built myself, tested and find/got same results others posted in the zahori thread.

So what you want now ?

The frequency ? The filter ? BS.

The circuit doesn't work. What you want ???

You have no arguments now... that's the point... the thing doens't work and he would like to know if I have a 1Hz cutoff filter and other fantasies! :lol:

I PI$$ OFF YOUR STUPID QUESTIONS. ASK ESTEBAN HE POSTED IT HERE.

Maybe I'm stressed... who knows... but for sure I'M NOT A LIAR LIKE YOU.

LIAR AND CLOWN!

Kind regards,
Max

[J_Player]

NOW YOU ARE LYING HERE. I DON'T PRETEND OF CHANGING ANYTHING OF WHAT I'VE SAID.Again you are wrong. I never said you changed what you said. My words were "Your tricks won't work to pretend you did not say this a few hours ago." And what I said is true.

Instead of answering my questions about your original post a few hours ago, you decided to dredge up very old posts by others to show that the Zahori does not work, a question I never asked. Do you deny that you did this instead of answering my questions designed to learn whether you detected noise above or below 1 Hz?

The answer to my original question is simple. Either yes, above 1 Hz, no below 1 Hz, or I don't know. There was no need to divert attention to whether the Zahori works, and pretend I was asking for proof about that, because I did not. It is a cheap trick to try to make it appear I was asking this.

You are also wrong when you say you are not a liar. As I recall you posted that I said I have a working LRL. This is not something I said, yet you insisted I did even though you knew it was not true.

This forum is primarily to exchange information, not to obscure facts and spread false information.
It becomes easier to understand why people don't pay attention to what you say in this forum.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Nihil Roma Maius]

Hi Max

I see your signature at end of your text. Dr. House can't cure you because he is more crazy than his patients.

Best regards

Nihil Roma Maius

[Max]

Again you are wrong. I never said you changed what you said. My words were "Your tricks won't work to pretend you did not say this a few hours ago." And what I said is true.

Instead of answering my questions about your original post a few hours ago, you decided to dredge up very old posts by others to show that the Zahori does not work, a question I never asked. Do you deny that you did this instead of answering my questions designed to learn whether you detected noise above or below 1 Hz?

The answer to my original question is simple. Either yes, above 1 Hz, no below 1 Hz, or I don't know. There is no need to pretend I was asking if the zahori works, because I did not. It is a cheap trick to try to make it appear I was asking this.

You are also wrong when you say you are not a liar. As I recall you posted that I said I have a working LRL. This is not something I said, yet you insisted I did even though you knew it was not true.

This forum is primarily to exchange information, not to obscure facts and spread false information.
It becomes easier to see why people don't pay attention to what you say in this forum.

Best wishes,
J_P

Hi,
you say a lot BS.

I confirm all I've said, also that you are a liar cause you said that
"Your tricks won't work to pretend you did not say this a few hours ago."

It's very clear to me. You are lying here.

Now you are trying to swap the story... no, no :nono:

I've explained myself to Quiaozhi that was my guess that you have a working LRL cause of your previous posts. Myself, do you remember ?

I've tested the device not under power lines like your stupid whole argumentation tend to demonstrate. Tested for water flows really far from any interference, ac fields, cars whatever on mountains, water pipes are in a field of a friend, no electricity water flows from a mountain lake just cause of gravity force, used in the below valley 3Km down.

There are just manual operated valves on the path, nothing electric, no noise at all.

Tested for natural underground water flow just few Kmeters away from there. Thermal activity, there are caves etc etc
Noise frequency means nothing if there isn't any noise source near.
First radio station is located at 160Km from there and is just 20w on short waves.

There isn't any reference to the need of additional filtering or other things on the article and schematics.

So, your questions have absolutely no meaning , device doesn't work detecting water, and end of the story.

Telluric currents yeah...

ALL BS.

Kind regards,
Max

[Max]

Hi Max

I see your signature at end of your text. Dr. House can't cure you because he is more crazy than his patients.

Best regards

Nihil Roma Maius

You are already a proved clown!
No need to post for you again! :razz:

[Max]

Hi Max

I see your signature at end of your text. Dr. House can't cure you because he is more crazy than his patients.

Best regards

Nihil Roma Maius

Hi,
Nihil... now that I think about the picture of the clown... maybe you'll say that I've discriminated you cause I'm a racist !!! :razz:

So I have to post for you too ! :lol:

You are a clown ! :cool:

Kind regards,
Max

[Max]

I'm the cure. ;)

[J_Player]

I've explained myself to Quiaozhi that was my guess that you have a working LRL cause of your previous posts. Myself, do you remember ?So, now you're saying it is ok for you to spread lies as long as you tell Quiaozhi you were only guessing afterwards? Who taught you about right and wrong?

Why should we believe what you post when you think it is ok to post information as facts when you don't really know and are only guessing? This is what most of your posts in this remote sensing forum are. Only your guesses. The only thing you know about Zahori is you were not successful with it, and your guess is nobody will ever be successful with it.

Nice try Max, but you did not succeed in erasing your lie, and you did not erase your posts pretending I was asking for proof the Zahori doesn't work instead of the simple answer to the question I really asked.

But now you finally answered the real question I asked, with all the talk about pipes and water flows, you don't know the frequency. From what you say, you did not find much noise or any signal in the mountains. It is true there isn't any reference in the article about needing extra filtering. But some recent posts by Seden show that there are some very low frequencies below 1 Hz that could become very strong to a resonant sensor with the proper polarization and in a favorable location to receive them.

Thank you for the information
Best wishes,
J_P

[Nihil Roma Maius]

Hi Max

First, Kurt Russell, later Clint Eastwood and Hugh Laurie (Dr. House) and now a clown in your signature. Wich of this personality are you? Be more stable.

Best regards

Nihil Roma Maius

[Max]

Again you are wrong. I never said you changed what you said. My words were "Your tricks won't work to pretend you did not say this a few hours ago." And what I said is true.

Instead of answering my questions about your original post a few hours ago, you decided to dredge up very old posts by others to show that the Zahori does not work, a question I never asked. Do you deny that you did this instead of answering my questions designed to learn whether you detected noise above or below 1 Hz?

The answer to my original question is simple. Either yes, above 1 Hz, no below 1 Hz, or I don't know. There was no need to divert attention to whether the Zahori works, and pretend I was asking for proof about that, because I did not. It is a cheap trick to try to make it appear I was asking this.

You are also wrong when you say you are not a liar. As I recall you posted that I said I have a working LRL. This is not something I said, yet you insisted I did even though you knew it was not true.

This forum is primarily to exchange information, not to obscure facts and spread false information.
It becomes easier to understand why people don't pay attention to what you say in this forum.

Best wishes,
J_P

Hi,

JP WROTE:
"I asked you because only you are claiming this circuit does not work, not esteban. If it does not work, it also appears you know nothing about the noise you are finding, or else you could easily answer. "

PURE BS.

Not just me dear JP.

LIAR AND CLOWN. :rolleyes: BOTH THINGS FOR YOU.
HAVE TO INCREASE THE DOSE.

Kind regards,
Max

[Max]

Hi Max

First, Kurt Russell, later Clint Eastwood and Hugh Laurie (Dr. House) and now a clown in your signature. Wich of this personality are you? Be more stable.

Best regards

Nihil Roma Maius

Hi,

:lol: :lol: :lol: are these your LRLs argumentations ?

My personalities ? :razz:

Launch your Mineoro in the the WC ! :rolleyes:

Maybe that way it'll find the gold (dispersed in sea water!) :lol:

Kind regards,
Max

[Nihil Roma Maius]

Max wrote:

I'm the cure. ;)

So, I can help in your cruzade with a new avatar for you:

[Max]

Max wrote:

I'm the cure. ;)

So, I can help in your cruzade with a new avatar for you:

why bill gates ? Is your idol... maybe cause your understanding of computers starts with power switch and end with CTRL-ALT-CANC ? :lol:

You are a clown. :razz:

Have to repeat !

Kind regards,
Max

[Max]

Max wrote:

I'm the cure. ;)

So, I can help in your cruzade with a new avatar for you:

Choose one CLOWN ! :lol:

[Max]

Max wrote:

I'm the cure. ;)

So, I can help in your cruzade with a new avatar for you:

You are a CLOWN ! :lol:

Choose your next avatar here... :razz:

[Max]

Hi Max

First, Kurt Russell, later Clint Eastwood and Hugh Laurie (Dr. House) and now a clown in your signature. Wich of this personality are you? Be more stable.

Best regards

Nihil Roma Maius


You are a CLOWN ! :lol:

Choose your next avatar here... :razz:

[Max]

Enough ? Have you choose one ? :lol:

I have more if you need... :razz:

CLOWN.

[Max]

? missing in action ? :razz:

Nihil where are you ?

have some other avatars for you :lol:

[Max]

Hi,
I'll be out of writing here for a while and just reading. I'll answer only to direct calls here.

So, think twice before you write something like a "direct call" to Dr. House! :rolleyes:

Let's see what happens. :cool:

Kind regards,
Max

[Nihil Roma Maius]

I like your signature, Mr. Max. :D

Best regards

Nihil Roma Maius

[Max]

I like your signature, Mr. Max. :D

Best regards

Nihil Roma Maius

Hi,
Let's go making some mods on your crappy LRL... :lol: so maybe you'll find gold.

My signature ? Is your new AVATAR! :lol:

Aren't you happy ?

I can swap it with a Mineoro's detector... but I think you prefer stay with the new avatar than having another one ! :razz:

Kind regards,
Max

[Esteban]

So, can the soil in conjunction with the salt, wet and other minerals form the earth battery?

http://nautarch.tamu.edu/class/anth605/File9.htm

[Max]

So, can the soil in conjunction with the salt, wet and other minerals form the earth battery?

http://nautarch.tamu.edu/class/anth605/File9.htm

Hi Esteban,
of course.

Alexander Bain made one in 1841... or maybe even earlier.

But then ? Are these "cells" the cure ? :lol:

So not Bragg's cells ? :razz:

Kind regards,
Max

[Esteban]

But then ? Are these "cells" the cure ? :lol:

But, sure you aren't the cure!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Medice, cura te ipsum!

[J_Player]

Be factual. If you make an extraordinary claim, be prepared to get challenged.

Originally posted by hung
Carl’s claim is the one which is full of BS. In fact people here don’t perceive this. All he wants is promotion. I once said that I believe 90% of the LRLs he reported work or at least work to some extent. I proved to myself for instance that the RT unit works.Hi hung,

Carl made no claim, nor did he make a promotional statement in his intro note: "Be factual. If you make an extraordinary claim, be prepared to get challenged". This is simply one of the three rules he chose to keep his forum fair. It doesn't even make sense to say it is a claim. There is no claim implied, simply a statement that you should expect to be challenged when you make an extraordinary claim in this forum. Your animosity towards me is not justified, illogical and unfair. If you are really serious about researching LRLs, then you are a controversy.

I have no animosity toward you. I think you are a nice guy, one of the most polite LRL proponents in this forum. In fact your are probably a great person to spend a couple hours at the cantina with an ice cold refreshing beer where people tell "true stories" to add some spice to an otherwise dull day. And you're welcome to come visit if you come to the USA. Be sure to bring your LRLs so we can go find some long time buried gold. I know several locations where we can recover some good ore deposits as well as legendary treasures that go back as far as 467 years, and worth millions in gold scap value alone. This is all documented by local historians and records kept at the University of California. I will be happy to report exactly what your LRLs find in a long article on a professional web page, including videos of the treasure being recovered, so all will know the exact facts. I will also post the facts in this forum, and links to the videos.

If I am a controversy, it does not disturb me. I don't think it's possible to discuss the technical details of buried metal science in this forum without becoming controversial. The only way I can maintain any credibility is by showing believable evidence to support my claims. So far, I haven't seen the educated skeptics come and prove the claims I made are false. Qiaozhi quickly backed away from arguing against my claims about ions from buried metals moving in the ground as Damasio said, and Carl didn't even bother to challenge what I presented. I can only presume this happened because I have an enormous body of evidence made by published scientists to support what I said, not hearsay or fairy tale stories, or tests made in some secret laboratory that cannot be demonstrated.

This brings us back to what you claim is unfair. There is no animosity, only a disbelief in a whole lot of stories you told that sound like BS. The stories you told are being challenged because they are extraordinary to the point of disbelief, and there is nothing to substantiate them. Keep in mind, this is primarily a technical forum, not a news story forum or a fairy tale forum. People come here to exchange technical information, not to hear outlandish stories with no technical details to support them.

When I look at the stories you told since you arrived, I see no proof or anything to substantiate these stories except you say they are true. In fact a number of the stories you told have been shown to be false. The appearance is you are not coming here to report facts of your adventures. The appearance is you are coming here to brag about things that never happened. I see a series of incredible stories that we might expect a small child to tell to make the people around him think he is important and should be paid attention to. The problem is you told these incredible stories in a technical forum where the rules state you should be prepared to get challenged if you make an extraordinary claim, not at your local bar.

The collection of incredible stories you have told in this forum have put you to the top of my list of hilarious storytellers. Some of your stories have convinced me you know little or nothing about science, and you are only repeating generalities told to you by people like Damasio, Alonso, Myron Evans, or publications by people like Hutchinson. It seems apparent you have little understanding of any science, and are only repeating things you heard, many of which can be proven false. I would never compare you to Esteban. There is a big difference when Esteban actually constructs his own circuitry and builds his own experimental gadgets to test, and shows actual details. This is the purpose of this forum -- to exchange technical information, not to brag about secret accomplishments that can't be substantiated.

Do you have any credible evidence to support any of these stories you have told?

Originally posted by hung:
Again, this is not important for me. See, I don’t want people to believe or expect anything. I’m the one who knows it’s true. That’s all that matters nothing else.

Not important to you? Really? Then why are you even bothering to answer quotes I made? because believing your stories is not important? Did you return to this forum several times after saying you would leave because you don't care? The appearance from my point of view is you want people to believe the extraordinary stories you told without providing anything credible to substantiate them. The appearance is you find it important to brag about accomplishments that you really didn't make.
Or am I wrong? Is there something you haven't told us yet that would make us believe your stories?

In all the time you tried to convince people ions can form in the ground around buried metals, you never provided any scientific proof like I did. You only provided a lot of unsubstantiated claims. Can you provide some scientific proof that metal ions hover 7.2 feet in the air above a long time buried treasure as claimed by Mineoro?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Qiaozhi]

Hi hung,
It seems apparent you have little understanding of any science, and are only repeating things you heard, many of which can be proven false. I would never compare you to Esteban. There is a big difference when Esteban actually constructs his own circuitry and builds his own experimental gadgets to test, and shows actual details. This is the purpose of this forum -- to exchange technical information, not to brag about secret accomplishments that can't be substantiated.
J_P
Well said. :cool:
The purpose of this forum is to exchange technical ideas, not fairy tales.

[J_Player]

I Just read new science for using pulsed elemagnetic fields to help cure all kinds of health maladies. Yup it's true. I think this means you can take your PI metal detector to the hospital and show amazing healing without even taking your medicine! In fact put your searchcoil under the pillow at night and let it run. I bet you wake up refreshed and ready to go. What does this have to do with long range locating? who knows? Maybe improved health will help you to dig holes when recovering treasures from long range. See the esteemed doctors report here, taken from the Curatronic website:
I have found the Curatron PEMF therapy to be very useful for fatigue, fibromyalgia, painful conditions which do not show up on diagnostic imaging, asthma, headaches, insomnia, and lack of vitality to name some of the conditions I have treated with this technology. An almost universal theme is that people feel a feeling of wellness and calmness after the treatment with often extends beyond the treatment.

Dr. B. S. From http://www.curatronic.com/testimonials.html

Read more of this science here: http://www.curatronic.com/scientific.html
Main Curatronic website: http://www.curatronic.com/index.html

Best wishes,
J_P

[Esteban]

Hi J_Player


Since many years I built a kind of device like this based in a technic called Wide Band Electromagnetotherapy. This actuates on organs and bones. Specially I built for football clubs. The system covers since 10 Mhz to 250 Mhz. The system send 40, 80, 160, 320 and 640 pulses to a tune in 10-11 Mhz RF circuit connected to a coil built by plane cable. This coil formed a belt (1 meter long) and transm. very strong pulses. You can see here schematic (sorry quality, in some part I have the original with more details.) With 2 outputs for 2 parts of body. This is very effective for bone diseases (good for fisures and break bones, with this method bones joined in middle of the time with classical treatment). Also for other treatments, based in scientific investigations. Who knows, maybe this schematic works for PI!!! :lol:

[Max]

Hi J_Player


Since many years I built a kind of device like this based in a technic called Wide Band Electromagnetotherapy. This actuates on organs and bones. Specially I built for football clubs. The system covers since 10 Mhz to 250 Mhz. The system send 40, 80, 160, 320 and 640 pulses to a tune in 10-11 Mhz RF circuit connected to a coil built by plane cable. This coil formed a belt (1 meter long) and transm. very strong pulses. You can see here schematic (sorry quality, in some part I have the original with more details.) With 2 outputs for 2 parts of body. This is very effective for bone diseases (good for fisures and break bones, with this method bones joined in middle of the time with classical treatment). Also for other treatments, based in scientific investigations. Who knows, maybe this schematic works for PI!!! :lol:
Very off-topic here...

Oh wow...
"This is very effective for bone diseases (good for fisures and break bones, with this method bones joined in middle of the time with classical treatment)."

Now you can break your LRLs hitting by head... :lol: you'll recover fast !

BTW... I've seen something similar, if you need other schematics like this let me know... I think I can find as you want.

But then it works ??? I think that exposing e.g. the head to a pulsating EMF is poisonous ! :rolleyes:

There are experiments in animals that talk about mutation of DNA ! Think twice before bend you head with a pulsed RF generator !

Kind regards,
Max

[Esteban]

But then it works ??? I think that exposing e.g. the head to a pulsating EMF is poisonous ! :rolleyes:

The expert in kynesiology said me this is effective, no me. He wants and I built. This was designed by specialist in medicine in conjunction with electronic engineers. The irradiating coil-belt was designed after 100 or more tests of different dispossitions. This is not a simple 555 with a transistor in output. Also, no for the head or persons with pacemaker and pregnant women.

And nothing to see with LRL.

Maybe is the cure! :lol:

[Max]

I'm the cure ! For LRL-madness I mean :rolleyes:

[Esteban]

I'm the cure ! For LRL-madness I mean :rolleyes:

No, I'm searching for a good doctor! :razz:

[Max]

I'm the cure ! For LRL-madness I mean :rolleyes:

No, I'm searching for a good doctor! :razz:

You don't trust Dr. House ?
Ok ok... could be brutal on methods... but results are guaranteed! :rolleyes:

[J_Player]

I think Dr. House is wrong spelling.... should be Dr. Horse... for make repairs to horse.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Max]

I think Dr. House is wrong spelling.... should be Dr. Horse... for make repairs to horse.

Best wishes,
J_P

Dr. House could repair anything. Even you ! :lol:

[FrancoItaly]

Hi Esteban
Can you tell me if there is an electric connection between the handle and the circuit of your "pistol" and if you use 3 X 9V battery as Mineoro? I have realized a TR-IB at 30 Khz, with Sync-demod.- push button retune - CC amp - and the receive coil is followed by very high impedance amplifier with Fet in bootstrap configuration. The first test out my home is negative (no gold in my garden...) but signal is very stable.

http://www.mytempdir.com/2017675

[FrancoItaly]

My images of instrument:
http://www.mytempdir.com/2017673
http://www.mytempdir.com/2017675

[Esteban]

Hi FrancoItaly

There is not connection in handle, for example no to negative lead. I can obtain minimal variation of hz in the coil since 55 to 60 Khz.

I think your find indicator is the vumeter, but this is insensitive to low changes. You need an audible indicator, you can put in limit the beeps with the sensibility potentiometer. No speaker, yes a piezo buzzer.

With 59 Khz oscillator I found gold Navy button (in the first search) and some coins, but at this frequency the movement of pistol in hand must be some slowly. I try all my experiments in house and sites with good quantities of relics.

[FrancoItaly]

Hi Esteban
I thank you for help, in my instrument I measure a phase change in the receive coil respect the transmitter oscillator and I have also an acustic beep by a piezo buzzer.

[Geo]

Hi FrancoItaly.
Can you explain me why you have put the white grid in the center and the front place of the coil? If i see good at the center is there a small coil vertical with the big one??
Regards:)

[FrancoItaly]

Hi Geo
the white grid is the antenna connected to the small receive coil that it's orizontal and this forms a TR-IB with the big vertical coil. I think (or perhaps I hope) that the magnetic field of the transmitting coil it can influence the ionic or electric existing field. Also a small pertubation it can be sensed as a change in phase in the signal amplified in the receive coil.
The screen acts as a virtual ground and it's shields the body. My instrument is a free interpretation of Esteban's pistol...
Best regards

[Geo]

Hi FrancoItaly:) .
Thanks for your info, but i believe that it is better to play with am de-modulator than with phase shift. For me the problem with pistols type LRL is how to discriminate the gold and not how to locate from long distance.
My Regards:)

[FrancoItaly]

Hi Geo
I rectify, I use a syncr. demodulator equal to VLF metal detectors. For me the problem is also to locate any metal from long distance.
Best Regards

[Max]

Hi Geo
I rectify, I use a syncr. demodulator equal to VLF metal detectors. For me the problem is also to locate any metal from long distance.
Best Regards

Hi Franco,
short range detection is the problem of metal detecting from origins.

The real problem is that the "solutions" like zahori-circuits can't give any help to locate metals!

So you can use a magnetometer for iron stuff... but there's nothing to detect e.g. a gold ring from 10meters or 1mile.

Are all fantasies and dreams, or stories (and often even frauds). :lol:

That's the absolute (and sad) truth.

Best regards,
Max

[Geo]

Hi all:) .
I wrote before some time that i have tried the Andreas dillinger and it works from long distance. Also i saw the Vertex to locate gold coin from 300m up on the ground, not inside the ground.
So i do not accept:D :nono: you to say me that they do not work "Are all fantasies and dreams, or stories (and often even frauds)". I accept that they have a lot of other problems of reliability but they can locate from long distance.
Except if some people of you wants to write here again the same:razz: and same:razz: things. If so OK .... we will stop to write here and Carl can delete the remote sensing (there is not other reason to be here).
Or Delete us:D
Bye

[Max]

Hi all:) .
I wrote before some time that i have tried the Andreas dillinger and it works from long distance. Also i saw the Vertex to locate gold coin from 300m up on the ground, not inside the ground.
So i do not accept:D :nono: you to say me that they do not work "Are all fantasies and dreams, or stories (and often even frauds)". I accept that they have a lot of other problems of reliability but they can locate from long distance.
Except if some people of you wants to write here again the same:razz: and same:razz: things. If so OK .... we will stop to write here and Carl can delete the remote sensing (there is not other reason to be here).
Or Delete us:D
Bye


Hi Geo,
it's my opinion, you can have your opinion different from mine. Not the point.

I said that cause I've seen many different bought units (different models/brand) on the field, in action, of friends and other people I know: no just one of these were capable of find anything.

All re-sold them very quikly cause of the bad feelings related to the fact no target were found with those...total waste of time and money.

I, myself, built the zahori circuit with my hands, tested and found absolutely nothing in places where with metal detectors I found after ancient, long time buried metal objects.

Not only: circuit doesn't detect water flows too ! :lol: And was claimed do that.

What must I think of all these things now ? That they work !? :lol:

Your experience could be different from mine... ok... why not ?

Then I'd like to see these Andreas or whatever manfacturer unit be tested in a scientific way, like in the challenge... and win in front of a TV camera.

Personal impressions are good to take personal conclusions... but just public demonstration can solve any dubt on the topic.

Untill that I'm free to say:

Are all fantasies and dreams, or stories (and often even frauds).

Best regards,
Max

[Esteban]

Geo, you're right.

Or Carl open an exclusive thread for real discussion with real rules without any type of insults or criticism against the work of others.

If somebody failed at first time in make operable an electronic LRL, this is not reason for to discredite. Also I build several MD doesn't work, and maybe the error was mine, maybe not, etc.

Also I failed 1,000 times in build operable electronic LRL, and know several ways that it work.

Regards

Esteban

[Max]

Geo, you're right.

Or Carl open an exclusive thread for real discussion with real rules without any type of insults or criticism against the work of others.

If somebody failed at first time in make operable an electronic LRL, this is not reason for to discredite. Also I build several MD doesn't work, and maybe the error was mine, maybe not, etc.

Also I failed 1,000 times in build operable electronic LRL, and know several ways that it work.

Regards

Esteban

Hi,
oh yeah... it's me. :lol:

And Ivconic ? too ? And Michael ? eh ?

Are we all stupid and you are the master of electronics !? :lol:

The circuit doesn't work. Doesn't detect water flows and doesn't detect metals, dear Esteban.

It's a fact... not my electronic incompetence as you wanna guess by your pretentious post.

I've made a huge number of circuits/designs/PCB and I've experience of electronics many times what you'll ever understand... from your garage in Paraguay.

And bought units too, don't work. I've seen them in "action"... the random noise I mean.

Shame on you... storyteller ! :lol:

Best regards,
Max

[Esteban]

Hi,
oh yeah... it's me. :lol:

And Ivconic ? too ? And Michael ? eh ?

I don't know if Ivconic failed, for example, but he is a happy seller of these. :lol:

Diplomas hanging on the wall no means you can build it, if you don't know the mechanism.

Yes, I'm story teller, because I have much history in it, so you hate me causes it, you have not register an only coin find, :razz: and also you don't finish yet your TGS coil.

Yes, my PCBs are uglies, but I don't feel shane when I show these. Show me the soldering side of your TGS, if fine I'll congratulate you! Yes! Sure!

Ugly or not ugly, sthetic is not guarantee of good working device!

Dr. House, you're not original because centuries before a man called Molière wrote a comedy regarding a doctor wich cure with stick! Very original your idol and the creators! :lol:

Don't worry, in any moment I'll post the New Zahori for to play with it. Also, maybe you can $tart a small bu$ine$$ with it. :lol:

Here my "garage" and other things. As you can see, I have a poor labo, but you don't need more.

Regards

Esteban

[Geo]

Hi Geo,
it's my opinion, you can have your opinion different from mine. Not the point.

I, myself, built the zahori circuit with my hands, tested and found absolutely nothing in places where with metal detectors I found after ancient, long time buried metal objects.
Yes, but who says that Zagori works as a good LRL without modifications. Personally i never constructed it.


Your experience could be different from mine... ok... why not ?
Yes

Then I'd like to see these Andreas or whatever manfacturer unit be tested in a scientific way, like in the challenge... and win in front of a TV camera.
Why you don't buy one (for example a Vertex by thomas or the newer version ... sorry but i don't remember the name). I have one and it works good out of the ground but no with metals inside the ground. But it can detect from 300 meters about ....... how it work....... here is the problem.

Personal impressions are good to take personal conclusions... but just public demonstration can solve any dubt on the topic.
Untill that I'm free to say:

Are all fantasies and dreams, or stories (and often even frauds).
You can say everything you want but not every time again and again.
It is very annoying and tedious

Best regards,
Max

My Regards:)

[J_Player]

Maybe now is a good time to take the movie camera and make video to show performance of Zahori. Then post on U-tube for all to see. Think so?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Max]

Hi,
oh yeah... it's me. :lol:

And Ivconic ? too ? And Michael ? eh ?

I don't know if Ivconic failed, for example, but he is a happy seller of these. :lol:

Diplomas hanging on the wall no means you can build it, if you don't know the mechanism.

Yes, I'm story teller, because I have much history in it, so you hate me causes it, you have not register an only coin find, :razz: and also you don't finish yet your TGS coil.

Yes, my PCBs are uglies, but I don't feel shane when I show these. Show me the soldering side of your TGS, if fine I'll congratulate you! Yes! Sure!

Ugly or not ugly, sthetic is not guarantee of good working device!

Dr. House, you're not original because centuries before a man called Molière wrote a comedy regarding a doctor wich cure with stick! Very original your idol and the creators! :lol:

Don't worry, in any moment I'll post the New Zahori for to play with it. Also, maybe you can $tart a small bu$ine$$ with it. :lol:

Here my "garage" and other things. As you can see, I have a poor labo, but you don't need more.

Regards

Esteban

Hi,
yes, me , Ivconic and Michael "failed" with that circuit.
Or better say that we didn't any mistake... just circuit doesn't work as claimed.

I've already tgs coils made (from bandido, are the same), have also original 9x8 (bought) and make others and I don't need to show to prove anything.

The fact you have hundreds of PCBs doesn't mean you fully understand what are you doing... and as you say "diploma" hanged on the wall it's a proof that you aren't just an homebrewer electronics but a person with hi-education.

Many people could take the soldering iron and copy pcbs from magazines, but without understanding what they are doing. Monkey job.

"Ugly or not ugly, sthetic is not guarantee of good working device!"

??? Cannot understand what you mean ^ "sthetic": maybe exterior of pcb ?

Of course exterior appearence of PCB is not a guarantee of working, but is a proof that at least construction follow right rules e.g. about flux removal, that is very important everywhere there is hi-amplification, like in this circuit.

Also soldering joints are important cause bad soldering work will result in faults in the circuit working.

"Don't worry, in any moment I'll post the New Zahori for to play with it. Also, maybe you can $tart a small bu$ine$$ with it. :lol:"

I'm not interested in any business related to TH.

"Here my "garage" and other things. As you can see, I have a poor labo, but you don't need more."

Poor doesn't mean not functional if you can tune things good, even with poor or old tools/instruments that is good.

Problem is that circuit doesn't work for detect water flows or metals.
It's a fact.

Also with a Nasa/JPL lab you'll fail in the mission of detecting water flows or metals with it. Circuit have no meaning for LRL if you exclude LRL of AC noise.

Best regards,
Max

[Esteban]

No, Ivconic don’t failed, he is a happy seller. :lol:

Max, but I don't understand, so, what a person with your high-grade knowledge replicate the Zahori with the fix idea that it work???


Many people could take the soldering iron and copy pcbs from magazines, but without understanding what they are doing. Monkey job.

With this perspective, to replicate commercial detectors is monkey job too.



... about flux removal

Yes, also in my ugly old Zahori's PCB the flux was removal. This was only a prototype. But also is important to build in fiberglass. In common PCBs there is fugue of current in order of 150 pA, fatal for high impedance ICs.


Problem is that circuit doesn't work for detect water flows or metals.
It's a fact.

I never sustain the idea for to find water, for example, is in the original text. This was the reason of the mods.

Michael had insistent beeps near a big rock, but he can't check why beeps nearby the rock. If you don't check, you never will be sure. The use of Zahori and the major part of electronic LRL stay in a point between the stability and the false signal. If you don't adjust in delicate point, you never will find metal with it.

Michael wrote:

Only in one place (very near a big stone) we had suspicious beeps for every time and from every side we had a different singnal there. may be was from under the stone.
here was the place we had searched it befor by our PI but had no signal .

Also Ivconic obtain some beeps in some places. If you don't be sure, check around the area with your MD. If your metal detector can't achieve the item causes the depth, found the origin of the beeps in the area and excavate and take your conclussion.

Also don't know wich version of the posted on thread you built. The first posting article was a reference, the original article. This doesn't work properly for metal, for example. No complicate version with switches. No connection pin 9 of the 4066 to negative lead.

Also I isolate the antennas of the box with fiberglass PCB pieces. You can use teflon too. No plastic box, yes wood, don't know performance in metal box.

Regards

Esteban

[humhum]

Yes, Esteban is correct in this point. Metal detector can sniff at some meters object size of a coin. A good system is off-resonance type at frequency between 60 to 160 Khz. Always, here, the problem is that this system need metal buried for some years for to be detectable. IR is very but VERY GOOD. No for to measure the temp, no, as a type of antenna that collect the phenomenom, an "electric field", or directly IR emission of metals. He post many types of pistols olds and news, so is a reality. I found a small object that EVER causes problem in electronic long distance detector, look in the video that is not very insistent for the size, but there are. The object I found (several times found the same type) causes a RESONANCE or microspark, DON'T KNOW, but Esteban discover this effect he call "effect E", at 5-7 meters of the detector-system. Download video here (take with cellular, sorry quality), more than 2 Mb:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/smrfnz

More later the object.


Hi Nihil Roma Maius , Please post this video link again.