Dilliger by Andreas part 1 - general images

[Esteban]

People of Greece are open mind. Reason? Is a reference in wisdom, and also his people is very nice. Andreas is a good friend and a good engineer.

[Esteban]

More pics

[Esteban]

Go more.

[robert]

:razz:
"...People of Greece are open mind..."

People of Greece and people of Serbia are brothers!
But still there are charlatans and crackpots in both nations!

:lol:

[Esteban]

The rest. Great project, Andreas. You have interesting ideas and projects. I valorate your job and big effort.

[Locator]

Robert you must to go to a psychiatrist, you lost the control:frown:

Wash your mouth when you speak about Greeks and Serbians!!!

[Clondike Clad]

what do are numbers on the meter

[Esteban]

Is a common meter wich shows intensity.

[robert]

:nono:
Locator yoy're to young to act like that! Find yourself some other amusement!


Back to subject;
Esteban&Andreas, photos shows neat construction.It is obvious that "author" payed a lot of attention on outfit. But...what really man can do with this device? Any experiences? Is it working?How?
Or it was made just to taking photos and nothing else...?
:lol:

[ANDREAS]

".... But still there are charlatans and crackpots in both nations! ":nono: :nono: :nono: :nono:
They is first - last time where you I allow you lose control.:angry:
I am not charlatans I don't accept bad reasons.
I would not NEVER manufacture a so much good manufacture, if I don't know sure the results. My labours , as the efforts Esteban should you respect. This only is enough in order to you think, that it should "you see" with new person certain old techniques in order to you have result. Search alone to find solution. You say… say…say, in order to you are here however and… say me charlatans it means that you believe, other you want ready solution, because in brain to you say "… if they is truth.."
Now is time to study also you above 10 years in order to you occupy
I believe they is last time you lost control.... Few politeness makes always good
regards

[Clondike Clad]

What type of coil is the LM555?

[Esteban]

Andreas,

Persons as Robert only is here for to enerve. Leave talking alone. I'm sure he don't need anything, build anything, he is not sure in nothing.

Andreas, go ahead! :thumb:

[papanic]

Hello friends!
I know Antreas...he steal my project 2 years ago!
Here is it
bye!
:nono:

[papanic]

second part

[Esteban]

Analize! Robert has the schematic. Is Papanic a "nick" of RObert? Justly only 2 posts!:angry:

[Qiaozhi]

OK, so now we have a schematic for a Long Range Locator. BUT - how is it supposed to work? What's the theory behind this design? 8)

[Jim]

Box of wood :::chuckles:::

[Clondike Clad]

Well well we have that 555 timer thing again.
I want to pick up diamonds not gold.
GIVE ME A LONG RANGE DIAMOND FINDER.:lol:
Can this thing pick up the ROCKS

[Seden]

If this is indeed your project, what kind of antennas are used and how do I calibrate this for gold?

Randy

[Esteban]

RObert... if you want to be my friend, listen more and no emit falses judgement against me... all the time.:nono: :nono: :nono:

[Esteban]

Esteban, please do not use Tesla coil any more!

RObert, do you have rights in it? The Tesla coil drawing I post is: a kind of HV coil type Tesla and other secondary coil. The both coils are very critic in quality of winding, no defect can have, must be exceptional, turn by turn, with various covers of barnish. Adjusted by Hertz resonator (via spark).

[Seden]

Esteban, what you have just described creates a wideband noise like signal. Believe it or not years ago I was reading a paper in the Society of Geophysical Exploration where one of the Authors commented how they would like to try wideband noise for mineral exploration. The context of that comment was in regards to using rods in the ground though.

That is something I meant to follow up on but it went by the board unfortunately.

Randy

"Old age and treachery will overcome youth and skill" -Author unknown

[Seden]

If you have the transmitting antenna and receiving antenna on the same box, without switching the receiver off whilst the transmitter is on and vice versa,the receiver would only be able to pick up the transmitter wouldn't it?

Randy

[ANDREAS]

This drawing is mine personal. I have sent this drawing only Esteban, Seden and Ivconic. Ivconic gave Robert
Conclusion. Papanic they is same person Robert and places here the drawing. I don't know because exists this… half. Fortunately they don't have no drawing complete antenna.
Papanic you become man and you are not hidden. With this method NEVER acquisitions something new.

[ANDREAS]

And something last one. Because I have been tired with the idiotic observations. Tries a lot time in order to I manufacture something good. I does not interest hunting of treasures (we have many treasures here in Greece), other ONLY circuits for the better result.. All the presentation here, they for you see the efforts. All become, only free thought and effort and we don't say... never.:nono: That is for personal use, and is big stubit publishing here complete drowing or unknown frieds. We gave reason, you try and I wish you have good results.

[Esteban]

If papanic is real, he must be have details of antenna. :rolleyes:

[Clondike Clad]

what is the lm555 use for and what type of signal .:cool:

[Tim Williams]

Looks like it's setup as a vco for audio output.

Tim

[papanic]

yes i have and you and antreas dont!
i dont give you nothing!
this schema is not lrl, is something else!
antreas steal but not understand it! ha,ha,ha,ha!
you also not understand it ha,ha,ha,ha!
yeas i am robert, so what!

[aft_72005]

Hi to all
My analyze About circuits ,
Transmitter :osc running with 800khz operating frequency
Then buffer bf 244 and amplify with 2n 4427 tr ,simple Filter
And then go to antenna . c30 set for maximum radiation ,
Transmitter antenna length in picture shorter than of λ / 4.
Out put voltage in ant. Feedback and buffer and detect then
Apply To integrator and level control by 741 opamp .
These sections seem as only for power level control that
Apply to transmitter ant.

Receiver: receive signal from receiver antenna apply to
Filter then detect , level tune ,buffer and another level control
In second common emitter configuration by Q1 tr.
Then amplify by Q4 ,go via R11 pot. To meter. parallel with this
Section vco with 555 then audio amplifier with LM 386 IC.
These parts all together only filed intensity detector .

Please tell me how can this device found valuable metals
from distance ?

[robert]

:D
Good point!

[Clondike Clad]

This circuit will not detect gold or silver or my rocks.
JUST LOOK A IT.......WHAT I SEE IS A SCAM>>> AND I DON"T LIKE SCAMS:angry:
If is works tell what type of sigal gold will give off I want the the output of the the signal the frequency and the voltage and wave form of the signal.
ONE MUST KNOW WHAT HE IS DETECTING TO BUILD A DETECTOR.
WHAT IS TYPE OF TESTER BEING USED TO CAL THIS THING.
A RADIO ANT. IS A SHORT AT THE 200 PLUS GHZ RANGE SO DON'T GIVE ME THAT CRAP.:nono: ANYONE CAN MAKE A LRL THAT LOOKS GOOD.
TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT THE ONE I MADE.

[aft_72005]

Hi again
Anybody tell me what happen on buried metals in ground?
If that’s emitted frequency ,what is it ?

[Clondike Clad]

Hi again
Anybody tell me what happen on buried metals in ground?
If that’s emitted frequency ,what is it ?
At the atomic level you may get a frequency BUT THE POWER WILL ALSO BE AT THE ATOMIC LEVEL. AND METAL IN THE GROUND WILL NEED A LOT OF POWER TO BE DETECTED ANY DISTANCE OR VERY LONG WAVE.:shocked:
BUT WHAT DO I KNOW.
I WILL SAY THIS UNTIL SOMEONE TAKE CARL 25,000 OR I CAN BUILD OR FIND A LRL THAT WILL WORK IN MY HANDS .
NOW FOR THE SMALL PRINT.

IT IS ALL A SCAM AND IF A SCAMMMER WANTS TO PUT ONE OVER ON THIS SITE WE ARE IN FOR IT.
NOW FOR THE LARGE PRINT.
WE HAVE SOME VERY SMART PEOPLE ON THIS SITE:) :) :) :) :) :)

[robert]

:) Agree!
That was my point from the very begining! But those "lrl" boys are so pesty, provoking me with obvious nonsences so i lost nerves oftenly and left serious talking long time ago!
Andreas,Esteban,Hung and few more...Heh! Who are you joking here?
regards!
:D

[Seden]

What kind of LRL did you make? Looks like you have it connected up to that nice looking commercial signal generator,how come? The reason I ask is normally these LRL's or MFD's come with a built in frequency source.

Randy

[Max]

What kind of LRL did you make? Looks like you have it connected up to that nice looking commercial signal generator,how come? The reason I ask is normally these LRL's or MFD's come with a built in frequency source.

Randy

Hi,
it seems a resistor box...but with a pretty picoammetter and the whole wood box connected to the white DEVICE! Could be anything analog bridge R or RL and the like not a signal gen. The ratio knob could mean ratio of unbalance in the bridge halves...:D

Looks cool !:cool:
Nice! Clondike I like it very much!

I have to do one myself... I have a 1920 kvoltmeter that seems tailored just for this!

Best regards,
Max

[Clondike Clad]

Like I said we have some very smart people on this site.
I am in to old radios tube electronics and I use some old testers to fix my old units. some of my old testers are better than the new hi tech junk.:D
But I use all type of testers.See www.firstontop.com (http://www.firstontop.com).
Yes I use one of them to make my LRL but it will work as good as any LRL.
It will not pick up gold,silver,diamounds etc.
BUT IT LOOKS COOL,:)

[ivconic]

Hi Clondike Clad,
i have some very old tubes. Ancient ,you may say. Some of them dated from 1934. or even older.Interesting thing is that those tubes are new,never used.
I was thinking, if some interest, to make a list and offer to sell or exchange for some other things...Any intereset? I can make a list and few snapshots of those. There must be over 40-50 pieces in original package.
If you are interested, let me know.
Regards!
:)

[Tim Williams]

I remember here in the states, in a drug store, they used to have a large upright tube tester. You could walk in and test your tubes. I telling my age now!:frown:

Tim

[aft_72005]

At the atomic level you may get a frequency BUT THE POWER WILL ALSO BE AT THE ATOMIC LEVEL. AND METAL IN THE GROUND WILL NEED A LOT OF POWER TO BE DETECTED ANY DISTANCE OR VERY LONG WAVE.:shocked:

Hi Clondikeclad
What is frequency?
I build carl mfd lrl with signal generator that power apply to
Ground , in practical test I don’t have Good result .
Are you have experience in the matter ?
I study very paper , but not have strong and reality basic in
The matter .
If I obtain good real basic ,than be able design circuit in this way .

[Geo]

yes i have and you and antreas dont!
i dont give you nothing!
this schema is not lrl, is something else!
antreas steal but not understand it! ha,ha,ha,ha!
you also not understand it ha,ha,ha,ha!
yeas i am robert, so what!

Hi papanic:) . Why you dont give us the schematic and the details of antenna??
Is it a normal antenna and you use a timer to switch between Tx and Rx or it is a special type????
If you have the antenna details and the schematic is not a lrl then what it is????
I have sheen the detector by Andreas and it works but he dont give me any details about it. And i dont know why he send the schematic to you and not to me :( ????
The detector is working .... now we want the oreration principle..... does anyone knows....

[Seden]

Geo,

Very interesting that you have tried Andreas LRL and it worked for you. Can it be adjusted for gold only? I am a gold prospector and part time placer miner.

Thank you,

Randy

[Clondike Clad]

Hi Clondikeclad
What is frequency?
I build carl mfd lrl with signal generator that power apply to
Ground , in practical test I don’t have Good result .
Are you have experience in the matter ?
I study very paper , but not have strong and reality basic in
The matter .
If I obtain good real basic ,than be able design circuit in this way .

Frequency is the measurement of the number of times that a repeated event occurs per unit time.Now this could be voltage,current,air,pressure ,light or anything.We use voltage and current with the LRL thing.
A good way to see this if you walk 1000 step a minute your frequency would be 1k or 1000 step per minute,now if we use a AC signal and the tip of the wave is positive and it dips to nigitive and back to a positive we have one cycle or one Hz now this happens 60 time a second for he USA and 50 for over the pound.Now some LRL use anything up to 240 ghz now we also have phase difference (power,voltage and current) and we have harmonics and a host of things that can happen with frequency( shin affect resistance .capacitance etc.)On some frequency the signal will cross gaps on circuit boards and wires could be very high resistance or become wave guilds etc.If you don't have much electronics you need to start reading and rereading.( I am still learing.
This is a very simple way for Frequency .I know i miss a lot other can help ya.

[aft_72005]

Hi Clondikeclad
Thanks for your description about frequency .
I am sorry for my bad English .also I am elctronics
Engineer and no beginner in electronics .(please see
My profile)
My intention about “ What is frequency?” is howmuch
Frequency . for example carl mfd lrl out put of signal generator
Is 5khz for gold prospecting .
Are you have success whit lrl ?
Or can you found gold ,silver with lrl ?

[Max]

Hi papanic:) . Why you dont give us the schematic and the details of antenna??
Is it a normal antenna and you use a timer to switch between Tx and Rx or it is a special type????
If you have the antenna details and the schematic is not a lrl then what it is????
I have sheen the detector by Andreas and it works but he dont give me any details about it. And i dont know why he send the schematic to you and not to me :( ????
The detector is working .... now we want the oreration principle..... does anyone knows....

Hi Geo,
does it work ? Please explain what you've seen on the field.
Maybe papanic have no permission to post schema, I'd like to see too but I'll respect him if refuse publishing here without permission.
Anyway, I think that if it could give some signal from far away metal objects maybe uses some ELF detection principle...that I know is erratic and hard to figure out what produces signal and why! Maybe someone discovered something new about ultra-low freq. generation/resonance due to buried metallic things and how to filter all the noise these devices are addicted to.

Who knows ? :D

Best regards,
Max

PS: it isn't the 800khz driven schematic what you are talking about (on page 1), right ?

[Esteban]

Papanic is RObert and he(they) don't have any information about antenna, no RObert, no Papanic. Awake! Was posted without permission of Andreas.

Now, Andreas learn the lesson. He post the schematic to other(s) and well...

[robert]

:angry:
Esteban, stop being smart ***! Papanic is not Me (RObert). I am not Papanic.
As far as i know, Papanic is Ioannis Papanikolau from Cyprus,EE, RF. My college.Already met him couple times on seminars! I dont know his intereset about decision to post that schematic here and i dont give a **** about it.
So stop acting smart, actually you are looking very stupid here,Scherlock!
With same analogy i can claim that you and Hung are same person, since both have simillar ideas,claims and phylosophy! Cant I?
BTW Hung is back again so you dont have nothing to worry about?!:lol:
Now it is gonna be more interesting; a lot of crap again, a lot of new bull**** threads with scam advertisments more here....? God help us!:angry:

[Geo]

Geo,

Very interesting that you have tried Andreas LRL and it worked for you. Can it be adjusted for gold only? I am a gold prospector and part time placer miner.

Thank you,

Randy

Hi Randy:) . I tried Andreas LRL before 10 months ago. Detector was very sensitive but it was not complete.
They were a lot influenced by rust metals. Now Andreas said that he regulated in order so to detects only gold (and why not after he detected the other metals). It does not interest me if it detects only gold but the operation principle. That we can locate the presence of metal from far.
Regards:)

[Geo]

Hi Geo,
does it work ? Please explain what you've seen on the field.

Best regards,
Max

PS: it isn't the 800khz driven schematic what you are talking about (on page 1), right ?

Hi Max.
It was so easy. Turn it on , put the sensitivity to middle or near max and go. You turn the lrl left and right and if you hear a beep you walk and watch the meter for max reading. So easy..........
I have not the real schematic of this detector but as i know the Tx frequency is 800 Khz.....
Regards:)

[ANDREAS]

Afterwards the course, end publication of drawings. Complete drawings has only Esteban, also complete manufacture gift, I will only take one my friend Geo. When they are published drawings, without authorisation ..... :angry: :angry:
You lose and you will wait for hope of finding something good. CONCLUSION.. Robert or Papanic (same person) will can helps you. They is very good and.....has... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: complete drawings

[Geo]

Hi Andreas:) . I think that you have right. If papanic don't post the rest of schematic (antenna....) here, then you are the authorizing owner of the "Andreas"LRL.
Regards (from Karditsa):)

[Max]

Hi Max.
It was so easy. Turn it on , put the sensitivity to middle or near max and go. You turn the lrl left and right and if you hear a beep you walk and watch the meter for max reading. So easy..........
I have not the real schematic of this detector but as i know the Tx frequency is 800 Khz.....
Regards:)


Hi Geo,
thanks for the explaination. Seems really easy to use.
Now we have to discover how it works to define what's the operating principle behind this.

lets guess...

HERE ARE JUST MY GUESSES :

I'm sure there are problems with noise due to power lines etc like other lrl suffer from. I guess could be extremely unstable in presence of E fields.

Think that tx stage sends sharp step function bursts at 800KHz carrier frequency by a tuned antenna to minimize losses due to impedence asymm between osc section and radiating element(s) and think it need a gnd plane too.

I guess that it has a broadband amplifier in rx stage and then some kind of filtering system to get just only wanted variations on received signal. I guess too that device could be made by a kind of off-resonance detector where target signal unbalance normal cancellation thus resulting in audio signal.

Resonance point would be located, for me, at normal signal feedback response from clean "ground" - this is done in preliminary setup (putting sens at middle...).

Then after a short 800khz burst, signal is detected and then filtered. Must be some correlation between metal object and rx freq. variation (just few Hz or decade of Hz).

At the end, if guesses are right, I would consider it as an enhanced kind of TR/off-resonance metal detector, based on same idea of original off-resonance detectors with coils, but in the hi part of long waves spectrum, without search coils and with antenna(s).
Probably some ELF generation is due to burst function (generates infinite set of harmonics at various freq.) and what's detected is an interference due to sum or sub of main rx freq (due to soil matrix) and signal from object skin effects due to eddy currents flowing in surface of target.

To find out if this is true a simple test could be made using a 2x2'' piece of foil, buried say at 10'' underground from say 2 meters away.

AS I SAID BEFORE, JUST MY GUESSES :D don't take for rock-solid-solution...

IS USEFUL ? CAN DETECT STUFF UNDERGROUND ? WHAT KIND OF STUFF ? AT HOW DEEP? THERE ARE FALSE SIGNALS ? CAN DISC ?
I don't know can just guess - I'm not going to spend thousands of dollars to test myself one of these (and not even less). ;)

Best regards,
Max

[robert]

As i said before....

[Qiaozhi]

Hi Geo,
thanks for the explaination. Seems really easy to use.
Now we have to discover how it works to define what's the operating principle behind this.

lets guess...

HERE ARE JUST MY GUESSES :

I'm sure there are problems with noise due to power lines etc like other lrl suffer from. I guess could be extremely unstable in presence of E fields.

Think that tx stage sends sharp step function bursts at 800KHz carrier frequency by a tuned antenna to minimize losses due to impedence asymm between osc section and radiating element(s) and think it need a gnd plane too.

I guess that it has a broadband amplifier in rx stage and then some kind of filtering system to get just only wanted variations on received signal. I guess too that device could be made by a kind of off-resonance detector where target signal unbalance normal cancellation thus resulting in audio signal.

Resonance point would be located, for me, at normal signal feedback response from clean "ground" - this is done in preliminary setup (putting sens at middle...).

Then after a short 800khz burst, signal is detected and then filtered. Must be some correlation between metal object and rx freq. variation (just few Hz or decade of Hz).

At the end, if guesses are right, I would consider it as an enhanced kind of TR/off-resonance metal detector, based on same idea of original off-resonance detectors with coils, but in the hi part of long waves spectrum, without search coils and with antenna(s).
Probably some ELF generation is due to burst function (generates infinite set of harmonics at various freq.) and what's detected is an interference due to sum or sub of main rx freq (due to soil matrix) and signal from object skin effects due to eddy currents flowing in surface of target.

To find out if this is true a simple test could be made using a 2x2'' piece of foil, buried say at 10'' underground from say 2 meters away.

AS I SAID BEFORE, JUST MY GUESSES :D don't take for rock-solid-solution...

IS USEFUL ? CAN DETECT STUFF UNDERGROUND ? WHAT KIND OF STUFF ? AT HOW DEEP? THERE ARE FALSE SIGNALS ? CAN DISC ?
I don't know can just guess - I'm not going to spend thousands of dollars to test myself one of these (and not even less). ;)

Best regards,
Max
Don't waste your time. This is a nonsense device. :frown:

[superfreq]

Hallo to everyone:) !

I guess that only the real owner of this machine knows if it works and up to which level, and as it seems, this is Andreas;)

Even if it works or not, the fact that a mindless gave the drawings without permission,... was immoral!

To test something and criticize if it works or not, needs first to build it.

During the last thousands of years, if we became what we are, is thanks to the free spirit researchers, who tried to solve the world's mysteries, without limitations and taboos! Today in 2007 it supposed that we learned at least... to saw some respect for claims, that we can't distinguish! :rolleyes:

[Geo]

:( Do i need to repeat constantly here..??? Are you iliterate that much??
Papnic is other person, not me!
Besides, this is not LRL! It is something else like Papanic said....
You are just joker as Hung and Esteban, telling mystic stories here about some fantastic LRL device..??? He,he,heh!
All you being posted here is crap,nonsences.....can you prove anything!
Of course NOT! You cant prove a **** here!
You can onlu post more nonsences like Esteban and Hung!
Geo did you ever tried Zahori? It is acting same as you descrobed above!
Any conclusions? Same ****, useless ****! Cant detect anything in the ground! Zero!
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Hi Robert.
Sorry but i never tried Zahori, so i dont know. The only thing that i know is that i tried the LRL by Andreas and it works. I never said that i found gold with it (i had it for short time) but it worked with iron, rust iron... and coper.
Now how it works....... i think that only Andreas and Esteban knows. I would like to see the schematic diagram but Andreas dont give it to me (Why Andreas....). If i had the schematic maybe to had modidied it..... maybe.
My regards :)

[ANDREAS]

Where are drawing preamp antenna? Where are drawing dumy load? Where are drawing of antenna. I don't personaly interest itself for what has been published (they is useless for me), But I am very distressed for publication without personal authorisation. And one last.... THEY IS NOT LRL, BUT, CLEAN ELECTRONIC APPLIANCE
Robert or Papanic YOU ARE LOST also you and all really amateur, we are only to blaim you. I took good course. They is time to take also you.
regards

[michael]

Hi Geo, would you please write more about what you experienced?
what size iron ,from what distance and in what depth? what was area conditions?
a remote wilderness or near residential areas full of interfering factors?

[Max]

Don't waste your time. This is a nonsense device. :frown:

Hi Qiaozhi,
just tried to figure out what's inside that "new" pistol...:) takes only 5 minutes...not much time.

Kind of relax, like making ORIGAMI or paper-planes.

Also some secret principles seems a bit digged out from a H.G.Wells' book ...and that's funny too. :razz:

I think (too) is nonsence device cause too low power is involved and there are too noise/false sources, too less directive "beam" etc and with that kind of S/N ratios is almost impossible make something "working" or "useful" , but just a semi-random beep generator.:rolleyes:

Kind regards,
Max

[superfreq]

Robert you seem very confused! Relax man!!!!:shocked:
I am new here, and this was just my opinion!:)

[michael]

Hi to all and you Robert, I was busy hard, of course read all posts always, but have no nerve to consume for taking issue with somebody for nothing. it's not only me, but also so many of people all around the world are interesting to LRL affair. why? cos conventional detectors are highly limited and defective. mostly (nearly in all treasure finding cases) we seriously need toa good LRL. I accept all of these devices have limitations and problems, but they do some things are not all useless. I have told before some things seen myself which you never believe.
about FG80 still can't tell a conclusive result it's not useless and as another side is not what the producers claim, at all. of course I have detected one place and made a very carefully scan by Rover C and a complementary software designed by my genius compatriot (who is a member in this forum believes in LRLing strongly and may not satisfy to write his name) for OKM products even OKM guys are ignorant about this software which gives a very clear graph and shows some bad hidden targets at great depths as some people could find big treasury in 9-10 meters depth with its' help. it somehow confirmed target existence there, but I will put the decisive conclusions only when excavate the place and see with my eyes.
Robert, I remember well you never believed OKM products, but working with it is much hard and need to observe many punctiliousness as about FG80, but about FG80 I think we still haven't accessed these punctiliousness.
All people in world are waiting for a good LRL and we send our best hails and complements to those people like Andreas and Esteban who are seriously working on it. we kiss their hands. keep going good people , it seems other scientists not interested to this case as they regard only to things with billion of customers not thousands of customers.
of course I and my professional EE friend are making one good transmitter which works with 40 V and the amplitude never collapses during transmission. it transmits one very stable wave. will see what happens, maybe never works.
I will put only conclusive personnaly experienced results. Regards.:)

[robert]

O.K. I am not sure that can follow your ideas.
What makes you think that radiated energy from TX will deflect from ...let's say burried coin in the ground??? Even if deflect, what makes you sure that you will receive it from long distance, also what makes you think that you'll be awared about received signal and its origin??
I am trying to say that whole principle here is wrong! Not gonna work! Never worked and it never will work.....ever never! Trust me on that!
O.K. you can detect coin with this method from ...let's say few mm..and nothing more! Whole idea is nonsence! Forget that! Wasted time!
If you still want to try....who's stoping you? Me? Of course not!
Good luck wasting your time!
:D

[Locator]

Hello,
I don't know ANDREAS personally,but i listen from a good friend that he is very serious person and that he try alot and he do good experiments about metal detecting!!!
So,i propose you to listen him and his ideas!!!

I wish to have ANDREAS friend of mine,then i could learn alot:)

I believe that little persons in the world do experiments like ADREAS!!!

This is my opinion!!!(robert don't take angry....cooooolllll....:cool: ..)

With my regards to all the members of the Forum:

Christos-Greece
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[Qiaozhi]

Hello,
I don't know ANDREAS personally,but i listen from a good friend that he is very serious person and that he try alot and he do good experiments about metal detecting!!!
So,i propose you to listen him and his ideas!!!

I wish to have ANDREAS friend of mine,then i could learn alot:)

I believe that little persons in the world do experiments like ADREAS!!!

This is my opinion!!!(robert don't take angry....cooooolllll....:cool: ..)

With my regards to all the members of the Forum:

Christos-Greece
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There is no problem here with Esteban and/or Andreas doing experiments with long range detection. Especially if they share the results here, and the Zahori is a good example of this. What we (the skeptics) take objection to is grandiose claims based on subjective evidence and a pseudoscientific approach. If someone here claims that they've built a device that appears to beep whenever pointed in the direction of a gold target, and that target is say 10 metres away, then lets hear about it. Let's not hear obvious BS about gold ions be emitted by longtime buried gold, that is detectable from 10 miles away! :nono:

So far none of the LRL proponents have managed to come up with even the minutest scrap of technical evidence in support of their claims. Surely there must be a simple experiment that proves the viability of the technology, if it's for real. Unfortunately all we ever see are dubious photographs of treasure supposedly discovered with an LRL. This is not objective evidence.

Sorry guys - but you'll need to do better than this.

[robert]

"..robert don't take angry....cooooolllll.."
Cool! Why should I "take angry"??? You are mostly right!
I agree with you. Andreas could be very good man, why not?
I already know Esteban is good man! Although weird a bit...
Also i do respect their effort too! Trust me!
What i DO NOT LIKE and aprove here are nonsenced claims, made by
anybody not only Esteban and Andreas!
Problem started when they acused me that i am papanic, which i am NOT!
My good old friend Ivconic send me damn schematic via e-mail.
I took a "short" look on it and reply to Ivconic that i think it is
nonsence (if we talking about LRL). That is all! I never intended to
post it anywhere, simply i am not interested.
Later Papanic e-mailed me so i discovered that he is my old acquaintance!
Man i do meet occassionaly, RF expert also. He is claiming that schematic
is his own, although a bit changed...few components...So?
Think; i do know papanic - i dont know andreas! Who is "closer" to me?
To whom i should beleive here?
That is all!
I still respect and aprove good will,efforts....but i will fight against
funny claims about detecting coin on....xxx meters and simillar, which is
not possible and WILL NOT BE POSSIBLE EVER!!!
regards!

[Max]

Hi to all and you Robert, I was busy hard, of course read all posts always, but have no nerve to consume for taking issue with somebody for nothing. it's not only me, but also so many of people all around the world are interesting to LRL affair. why? cos conventional detectors are highly limited and defective. mostly (nearly in all treasure finding cases) we seriously need toa good LRL. I accept all of these devices have limitations and problems, but they do some things are not all useless. I have told before some things seen myself which you never believe.
about FG80 still can't tell a conclusive result it's not useless and as another side is not what the producers claim, at all. of course I have detected one place and made a very carefully scan by Rover C and a complementary software designed by my genius compatriot (who is a member in this forum believes in LRLing strongly and may not satisfy to write his name) for OKM products even OKM guys are ignorant about this software which gives a very clear graph and shows some bad hidden targets at great depths as some people could find big treasury in 9-10 meters depth with its' help. it somehow confirmed target existence there, but I will put the decisive conclusions only when excavate the place and see with my eyes.
Robert, I remember well you never believed OKM products, but working with it is much hard and need to observe many punctiliousness as about FG80, but about FG80 I think we still haven't accessed these punctiliousness.
All people in world are waiting for a good LRL and we send our best hails and complements to those people like Andreas and Esteban who are seriously working on it. we kiss their hands. keep going good people , it seems other scientists not interested to this case as they regard only to things with billion of customers not thousands of customers.
of course I and my professional EE friend are making one good transmitter which works with 40 V and the amplitude never collapses during transmission. it transmits one very stable wave. will see what happens, maybe never works.
I will put only conclusive personnaly experienced results. Regards.:)

Hi Michael,
of course I respect experimenters. Esteban and Andreas and many others here are folks that experiment on LRL and that's ok, I have no problem with that , it's their time, they can do whatever they want...of their time.
Absolutely ok. I consider everyone here as my friend, even without a PhD or diploma or whatever.

Problems are claims of LRL manifacturers. Some things are not scientific or are real scientific falses they made just to sell stuff to entusiast THs that have poor knowledge of electronics and science in general... that's the point.

"we kiss their hands" ehm well I'm not Tony Soprano... I don't kiss someone hands (with few exceptions) and kissing hands is often a kind of mafia' rule I don't want to follow and expecially if the hands are of some exotic manifacturer of fake devices...:rolleyes:

I'll consider all folks here TH entusiasts first of all...and just no offended by their researches, experiments, schematics...never.

But claims must be enforced by proofs...and, as I Know, no one won the famous LRL Challenge here till now.
If that LRLs really work WHY NOT someone would partecipate, win and got the jackpot ??? :cool:
Why there aren't patents ?
Why you must spend thousand of dollars to test by yourself just if one of these is a working device or just a piece of crappy electronics ?
Why opening the case of some you could find just some PVC pipe, brass...not
thousand dollars of components ...?
Why big manifacturer of metal detectors (Whites, Tesoro, Garrett, Minelab, etc) , that have state of the art equippment and technicians, don't want enter this market of LRL ? Are they worried about legal actions from consumers ? Are they scared of losing their fame and good name?

I can continue for long...

POINT IS:
I think one could also buy an LRL from Brazil or any other country if he want, but first of all one should ask himself (and to others) all those questions before dealing with such an expense, without any warranty of what bought really do what's supposed to.

Just my point of view:)

Best regards,
Max

[ivconic]

Clondike Klad,
I thought it was more? I had over 1000 tubes in the past.
Friends took them all!? But i found those.
Most of them are used, 90% are in very good shape.
Those marked as "brand new" are mostly very old, in original
package...some of them dated from 193x...!
Very interesting is one with socket, from Wermacht, war tube!
Dont have idea of its purpose? It seems that it is made with
socket to easy pull out if needed (in hurry) sort of "key" tube!?
Also there is brand new and very small - micro tube, i guess
mostly used for car radios...at the time.
The rest you can see yourself, no need for comments.
Many of them doesnt have any label, i guess wiped out in time.
Some of them:
2E22,CF3,AK1,TACH1,UY1N,UM11,UF9,1T6,EBF2,AZ1,SC40 2,6C5,EM4,Z1,
UM4,6H6,EK2,EL2,UCH11,3A4,IL4,IR5,DL93,IS5,PL36,OD 3,ECH21,PL500A,
PCL84,EZ80,ECH83,PCL82,PY88,PC900,EF89,ECH81,PCH20 0,ECC40,ECF83,
ECH81,ECC83,PCF80,EBF89,PCF200,UCH81,PCF201,E180F, EAA91,EL41....
Also i have SW Radio CW 109/GRC 9 (ANGRC), brand new,never used!!!
I saw simillar in american war movies, usually attached on jeep...
It is with tubes, 2-12 MHz, 15 watts .
Require special voltage generator,also huge box but i dont have
it now. Think i can obtain it.
This radio is from military reserves, was in some abandoned storehouse
so long that became obsolete, never used, new and shiny!!! Wow!
Vintage for sure, good specimen for some collector!
I am ready to exchange all those for one metal detector, not expensive,
modest, analogue.....let's say some 1266 or simillar, maybe some
other Fisher or White's, maybe other....I dont mind as long as it can
be useablle....Problem would be shiping out of Serbia....Since weight
it may cost a lot...Best way should be to meet here...if close..
Damn! Still have same problem! Serbia is not member of EU and all costs
are much higher than it should be!

Regards!

[ivconic]

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[ivconic]

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[ivconic]

:) :p

Pay attention! This is not secret almighty LRL....just ordinary radio!

Sorry cose those posts are far away of subject here! I will not do that gain!
Easiest way to find Clondike Klad here....
Sorry again!
:frown:

[Max]

:) :p

Pay attention! This is not secret almighty LRL....just ordinary radio!

Sorry cose those posts are far away of subject here! I will not do that gain!
Easiest way to find Clondike Klad here....
Sorry again!
:frown:

Hi ivconic,
what a collection! There are really ancient tubes !
German ones I think could came from tactic-sensitive-machines ...I'm not sure cause I never saw any of these but the fast-socket shape you described seems could fit with the idea of rapidly making unuseful a tactic device (unplugging the tube...) or from plane operated equippment, where the on-board technician could change them to overcome during-flying failures of circuits. If it is so...maybe they could reach a good collector' value. If you can't sell to collectors here maybe you could using ebay, really easy.

Best regards,
Max

[michael]

Hi Max, I agree with some of your comments and respect to you and your knowledge.Hi Michael,
Problems are claims of LRL manifacturers. Some things are not scientific or are real scientific falses they made just to sell stuff to entusiast THs that have poor knowledge of electronics and science in general... that's the point.
Yes, you're right, I agree with you.
BUT:."we kiss their hands" ehm well I'm not Tony Soprano... I don't kiss someone hands (with few exceptions) and kissing hands is often a kind of mafia' rule I don't want to follow and expecially if the hands are of some exotic manifacturer of fake devices...:rolleyes: :
Or can interpret it as a modestly sincerity towards them. huuummm?;)
But claims must be enforced by proofs...and, as I Know, no one won the famous LRL Challenge here till now.
If that LRLs really work WHY NOT someone would partecipate, win and got the jackpot ??? :cool:
Why there aren't patents ?
Why you must spend thousand of dollars to test by yourself just if one of these is a working device or just a piece of crappy electronics ?
Why opening the case of some you could find just some PVC pipe, brass...not
thousand dollars of components ...?
Why big manifacturer of metal detectors (Whites, Tesoro, Garrett, Minelab, etc) , that have state of the art equippment and technicians, don't want enter this market of LRL ? Are they worried about legal actions from consumers ? Are they scared of losing their fame and good name?
it has just one reason; searching for a small target (especially fresh) is so much different from a big target( real treasure) and especially very old buried, this causes inconformity to compare, judge and get decisive conclusion. one thing is the formed halo around a big old buried object.
these make conditions different for test to get a constant pattern.
but about state of the art; Minelab yes, Lorenze and DTI Genesis yes, Tesoro so-so(god bless the makers), but Whites and Garret oooofff , what a shame on manufacturers; full time-wasting junk toys, of course workable for coin shooting at surface in beaches.(regardless of many false signals for any mineral concentration).
Max pardon me for this opposition, but all are based on personally or others experiences and observations.

[Max]

Hi Max, I agree with some of your comments and respect to you and your knowledge. Yes, you're right, I agree with you.
BUT:.
Or can interpret it as a modestly sincerity towards them. huuummm?;)

it has just one reason; searching for a small target (especially fresh) is so much different from a big target( real treasure) and especially very old buried, this causes inconformity to compare, judge and get decisive conclusion. one thing is the formed halo around a big old buried object.
these make conditions different for test to get a constant pattern.
but about state of the art; Minelab yes, Lorenze and DTI Genesis yes, Tesoro so-so(god bless the makers), but Whites and Garret oooofff , what a shame on manufacturers; full time-wasting junk toys, of course workable for coin shooting at surface in beaches.(regardless of many false signals for any mineral concentration).
Max pardon me for this opposition, but all are based on personally or others experiences and observations.

Hi Michael,
that's fine. Your opinions and I respect.

"Or can interpret it as a modestly sincerity towards them. huuummm?;)"

No, the mafia' rule I mean that some secrecy behaviour (cospiracy of silence)all around that world of LRL seems (at least) suspect. I've explained I respect other points of view, ideas, designs, theories , experiments but we must rely on facts when we are talking about selling stuff to customers... you know. Also OKM seems have too much claims to be considered a totally safe manifacturer of TH devices... as I remember you had direct experience with OKM, so first hand impressions. I mean that customer need to know what's going to buy (expecially if price is of many thousand dollars) and should have a full set of rights first of all (but not only) INFORMATION. I mean you don't have to dismantle your OKM to know that's a fluxgate inside...I don't like some manifacturers behaviour , as signaled in this forum too, to take the money and then leaving the customer in troubles...
FULL INFORMATIONS MUST BE PROVIDED BEFORE BUY

About Whites and Garrett , well, some models are like you described, I agree. Toys... or the like. But others are good machines too and you can do good searches using them. Of course also these aren't like Minelab's!

Anyway, even if they are toys or just abit above toys they works !:)

I mean they all could detect e.g. a coin at 1inch in air!
Some LRL are proof can't do even this... :cool:

Best regards,
Max

[michael]

Max,You're right again and tell exact the same what I say always and am grieved for; defective manual or information, exaggeration and other things just to make much more money.
But when one detector works and is good help, regardless of cost of electronic components, it worthies. like OKM products, admittedly are not real GPRs and are only EM determiner, but do their jobs as the best on condition that you know all details and points that the producer never give a hint on them or perhaps are ignorant of those hints!!!!!
why do so?? A: cos to show them as a very simple and fantastic device.( exaggeration) this is also in Whites, Garret, or any other producer; unrealistic claims.

I've written in this forum before that knew a team were really successful, who found 6 big treasures with Omnitron + PI + Future 2005 mostly at great depths 6 and even 9 meters depth and after that all disappeared, but some guys ridiculed me. whereas never experienced or seen or heard one man has found good thing at great depth by those MD toys, never

[Max]

Max,You're right again and tell exact the same what I say always and am grieved for; defective manual or information, exaggeration and other things just to make much more money.
But when one detector works and is good help, regardless of cost of electronic components, it worthies. like OKM products, admittedly are not real GPRs and are only EM determiner, but do their jobs as the best on condition that you know all details and points that the producer never give a hint on them or perhaps are ignorant of those hints!!!!!
why do so?? A: cos to show them as a very simple and fantastic device.( exaggeration) this is also in Whites, Garret, or any other producer; unrealistic claims.

I've written in this forum before that knew a team were really successful, who found 6 big treasures with Omnitron + PI + Future 2005 mostly at great depths 6 and even 9 meters depth and after that all disappeared, but some guys ridiculed me. whereas never experienced or seen or heard one man has found good thing at great depth by those MD toys, never

Hi,
well ok...maybe OKM, though have drawbacks as any kind of apparatus and lack of informations, is useful (as computerized fluxgate mag) to locate magnetic masses and using other strategies to locate cavieties , rooms, etc
So could be really useful if you dig places already known holding treasures...
I'm talking about the fact they don't explain what's inside...they don't provide enough support...they use exagerated claims as you stated etc.

Some LRL are not so smart... you know. At least you buy a fluxgate mag + other things (for many thousand dollars) + computer when buy OKM! :)
When you buy an LRL you are lucky if the device just not detect its own internal noise as signal... no fluxgate sensors inside, no real working technology... just junk. I think that many "wallmart" LRL detectors, selled at say $50, could be useful as the more expensive one out there....

Just some seems having a kind of detection e.g. on static electric fields.
Are they useful ? I have a lot of dubts that anyone found something (good) using one of these things. My opinion, maybe I'm wrong. Don't know.
Just don't care... I know that all these devices have enormous problems with electrical power lines... interferences etc so a huge number of false signals... and even the theory behind their working as "anomalies detectors" (again static fields etc) seems to me a pile of pseudo-science claims. Again, maybe I'm wrong.
Can't see facts, proofs, any real science behind these things.

About MD... well not 6meters or 9meters... impossible for MDs if there isn't an enormous metallic mass.
But I know that something really valuable was found also at 2.5 meters underground using classic PI detectors with large coils (PSII).
No VLF could go in that range, but you know this fact before buy ! Anyone can tell you, everybody knows and no manifacturer of VLF claims meters of detection range. They are useful for coin hunting... for surface relics... small objects at small depth. But they can disc and this is an important feature in messy sites with lot of iron, foil etc

Also I know that many users of OKM (and similar) devices often use after and before digging a powerful depth PI (lorentz, PSII and the like) cause many times OKM apparatus is not so good identifing metals, mixing cavity informations with other things... thus giving false positives... and so, without a good MD, you have to dig to discover if what there is underground is metallic or not. And no Whites or Garret or Tesoro can help on this kind of work!

Of course, no "toy"-MD is really useful in any kind of serious search... that's why no one would buy and prices are extremely low (I see also 15$ on ebay!). Totally unuseful stuff, often made in china...only waste of time...

Best regards,
Max

[Clondike Clad]

Hi,
well ok...maybe OKM, though have drawbacks as any kind of apparatus and lack of informations, is useful (as computerized fluxgate mag) to locate magnetic masses and using other strategies to locate cavieties , rooms, etc
So could be really useful if you dig places already known holding treasures...
I'm talking about the fact they don't explain what's inside...they don't provide enough support...they use exagerated claims as you stated etc.

Some LRL are not so smart... you know. At least you buy a fluxgate mag + other things (for many thousand dollars) + computer when buy OKM! :)
When you buy an LRL you are lucky if the device just not detect its own internal noise as signal... no fluxgate sensors inside, no real working technology... just junk. I think that many "wallmart" LRL detectors, selled at say $50, could be useful as the more expensive one out there....

Just some seems having a kind of detection e.g. on static electric fields.
Are they useful ? I have a lot of dubts that anyone found something (good) using one of these things. My opinion, maybe I'm wrong. Don't know.
Just don't care... I know that all these devices have enormous problems with electrical power lines... interferences etc so a huge number of false signals... and even the theory behind their working as "anomalies detectors" (again static fields etc) seems to me a pile of pseudo-science claims. Again, maybe I'm wrong.
Can't see facts, proofs, any real science behind these things.

About MD... well not 6meters or 9meters... impossible for MDs if there isn't an enormous metallic mass.
But I know that something really valuable was found also at 2.5 meters underground using classic PI detectors with large coils (PSII).
No VLF could go in that range, but you know this fact before buy ! Anyone can tell you, everybody knows and no manifacturer of VLF claims meters of detection range. They are useful for coin hunting... for surface relics... small objects at small depth. But they can disc and this is an important feature in messy sites with lot of iron, foil etc

Also I know that many users of OKM (and similar) devices often use after and before digging a powerful depth PI (lorentz, PSII and the like) cause many times OKM apparatus is not so good identifing metals, mixing cavity informations with other things... thus giving false positives... and so, without a good MD, you have to dig to discover if what there is underground is metallic or not. And no Whites or Garret or Tesoro can help on this kind of work!

Of course, no "toy"-MD is really useful in any kind of serious search... that's why no one would buy and prices are extremely low (I see also 15$ on ebay!). Totally unuseful stuff, often made in china...only waste of time...

Best regards,
Max
:D
Now my XL PRO with my 25 inch coil can find metal as deep as 3 meters
and some two box vlf units can GO much deeper.:D
Unlike the LRL's My XL PRO will work for anyone:lol:

[Max]

:D
Now my XL PRO with my 25 inch coil can find metal as deep as 3 meters
and some two box vlf units can GO much deeper.:D
Unlike the LRL's My XL PRO will work for anyone:lol:

Hi Clondike Clad,
WOW MAN great tuning !:cool:
3meters underground is a really big result for a VLF detector! :D
Also for W6000 xl pro...

Yes, you are right...I miss some "details"... two-boxes also detect at 6+ meters... I've expressed bad my thoughts... when talked about VLF I meant just Tesoro/Whites/Garr.. etc conventional models but not 2-boxes type :rolleyes: sorry about that mistake cause yes there are VLF-2-boxes too (and really good ! with much less falsing).

Best regards,
Max

[J_Player]

Hey Clondike Clad,

I didn't know an XL PRO went that deep with a 25" coil. I have a White's Surf PI pro and a Technetics T2 which both will find coin-sized targets maybe up to a half meter deep under best conditions. But I found that when I hold them up to a parked car, I can detect between 1-2 meters for the T2 and 2-3 meters for the PI Pro. I found that larger objects and iron always give me a stronger reading that I can detect from greater distance with VLF or PI.

I was wondering what kind of metal you found at 3 meters with your XL Pro with 25" coil? :eek:

[turaj afshar]

hi
what is L2,L2a in diameter pvc ?

[Geo]

hi
what is L2,L2a in diameter pvc ?

Transmitter schematic is wrong:(

[turaj afshar]

please more explanation at l2,l2a transmitter. what azimuth transmitter wrong existent ?

[humhum]

[QUOTE=Esteban;55337]People of Greece are open mind. Reason? Is a reference in wisdom, and also his people is very nice. Andreas is a good friend and a good engineer.

Maybe like this video, use Radio TX and Radio RX .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXVbZvOpBVM

[Geo]

please more explanation at l2,l2a transmitter. what azimuth transmitter wrong existent ?

From what i remember, the transmitter has not fets and xtal. It is a LC oscillator near to 800Khz. Coil L2 is wrapped up on a ferrite. I don't remember more.

[turaj afshar]

please fiber circuit to where put ?

[turaj afshar]

please pic inside box and tesla coile

[turaj afshar]

HI please Answer my question about transmiter schomatic if it is wrong ? How can Assemble corect form of it please give more information about the pictures of fixed and tesla coile and the coile under plate 555 what is it? theer isnt the schematic . is it works only with the telescope Antena or the other circuts ? Iam from IRAN please helpe more than STD tanks and senserly YOURS

[turaj afshar]

HI please Answer my question about transmiter schomatic if it is wrong ? How can Assemble corect form of it please give more information about the pictures of fixed and tesla coile and the coile under plate 555 what is it? theer isnt the schematic . is it works only with the telescope Antena or the other circuts ? Iam from IRAN please helpe more than STD tanks and senserly YOURS
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