MD as long distance

[Esteban]

How a search head of MD can work as long distance. Coil is type pinpointing.

The max. distance was a coin at 70 m. in inland.

[Tim Williams]

Tell us about it.

Tim

[amtech2005]

Since we are on the subject of long distance. Tommorrow I am picking up a Fisher Gemini-3 for $50 dollars . Only thing thats missing is the connecting piece or arm that goes between the two boxes - "transmit and recieve". The unit makes noise and has 8 AA batteries for each box and No rust inside. I guess it runs around 60 to 70 khz. Anyway I just wanted to know if the arm is metal , like aluminum or a composite material. I might make a "makeshift PVC assembly" if i cant find the factory brackets. I am not sure on a price of a new one but I heard there over $500.00 ??? And how deep they go I have no Idea !! This will be my first 2-box for my collection . Any comments let me know , Thank-You Eugene

[Geo]

Hi Esteban:) .
Can you discriminate with your long distance detector?????
Who is the behavior in rust objects???????
Regards:)

[Esteban]

Hi

This only detects silver, gold and copper-bronze, non ferrous objects since the coil is adjusted only for non ferrous. Aluminium cans no detect.

For small objects has not depth, but yes for big items. Object must be in soil since X time.

[ivconic]

I just posted some of my experiences in "Testing and Comparing.." thread.
What you saying here is just against my claims. So i am very interested in that subject. Can you describe a bit more that device?
Best regards Esteban!
:)

[detectoman]

hello esteban:

have you the diagrams of these locator? what sistem or components inside,
hola esteban saludos, dime tienes tu mas informes acerca del circuito de ese detector, y dime si esos 14 mts solo los logra en aire, o cuanto puede profundizar, dime por favor a que frecuencia logra eso, y que marca o procedencia es
te mando un abrazo y espera correo despues pues tengo la pc en el taller y ahorita solo entro brevemente, y con esta pc prestada

ok gracias por compartirnos

detectoman mexico

[Esteban]

Hi post this, because you know detector based on coils. In this case, as coils no touch soil, no suffer capacitance or mineralization. Variation of few hertz in coils is converted in audio, so items can be detectable at certain distance, and this coil system is accuracy, but more slow than antenna. Frequency in order 300 Khz tends to detect cigarette paper, but good points is near 150 kHz. You need this semi-high frequency for to obtain variations in some hertz. I built one in 59 kHz very stable based in off-resonance (this is good for long distance and need only one coil). Other type can be achieved. Here antenna type (I with beard and cigarette -Ivconic: I leave it 7 years ago!!!)

[robert]

"...The max. distance was a coin at 70 m. in inland...."
:angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:
!!!?????!!???
Esteban are you serious??? What are you talking about?
Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha.....
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
OK....I'll go away from here...No hard words no name calling...
:) :frown:

Anybody who take this thread seriously is an complete idiot!!!
:angry: :angry: :angry: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Seden]

The only part I have trouble with is detecting paper,but far as metal in soil causing a shift in the frequency at that point seems possible. You'd have to have an extremely high Q resonant coil to detect a shift in the natural electromagnetic fields. Considering that metal in the earth disturbs the matrix which is a RLC circuit to begin with it sounds very interesting. I know Esteban has been experimenting constantly for 30 years or so.
With induced polarization you get a response from dissmenated ore because of the conducting grains are in contact with one another but you also get a response from sulfides,some oxides and clay.

For those who are interested go to the US Patent Server and do a number search on patent 6,414,492. Then starting with the listed patents at 1985, go towards the present. In particular interest are:4,507,611-4,686,475-4,841,250 and 5,148,110.

Randy

[robert]

:lol: :lol: :lol:
"...The max. distance was a coin at 70 m. in inland...."

C'mon...never mind project and principles...I can live even with most crazy ideas.....but just pay attention on Esteban's claim above...!!!!????

Even it was 70cm, it would be impossible....but 70m !!!!????
I dont have words just:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Esteban]

If you put effort in it, you can. As Randy said, a good coil is necessary. Also adjust the resonance the max. possible, at pF range. I use off-resonance type. I use capacitance box and adjust the pF range with trimmer.

[Esteban]

Robert, some LD infos and others (a very minimal part). Do you can follow the path? Sometimes, do you work in it? :razz: :razz: :razz:

[GOLDEN LILLY]

:shocked: Hi ESTEBAN,
kindly enlarge the pictures you posted, I am willing to build it and experience what you have experienced in the field. I am serious ok.

[Seden]

Robert,

What I'm thinking is the distance that VLF magnetotellics can detect a body of ore. Granted the ultra-low frequency gives you deep skin effect and only good for a very large deposit. Now scale the frequency up and shrink the size of the object accordinly and now it doesn't seem difficult. Study up on magnetotellics,think about the scaling factor and let me know your thoughts.

Randy

[Carl-NC]

Sorry, Esteban, but what you are claiming does not align with physical possibility. Unless there is independent collaboration, I will have to assume that these devices are essentially the same as all the other LRLs out there: non-working wish devices. And I have personally owned, used, and tested just about everything the LRL world has put out, from chemical loads, to MFD, to ionic... none of it has ever even remotely come close to working. Nor have any of the technological claims.

"Here antenna type..."

By chance, was this device mounted on a swivel handle?

- Carl

[robert]

I agree with Aulook; can you enlarge posted photos? So we can take part in and follow your ideas...Otherwise, you just cant expect me to judge about your project according thumbnails....i hardly can see those?
If you are sure in your claims....let us (others) to see ist it correct or not...
"Let us in your world..." !
regards
:(

[ANDREAS]

Ι Think Esteban should not publish his ideas. Everyone should try on his. Sorry for the recommendation, but this is the truth

[Esteban]

By chance, was this device mounted on a swivel handle?

No, is pure electronic. Microvoltmeter type.

The most of the devices show in small figures are electronic, EXCEPT some LRL rods. All us experiment with it. Chemical type nothing to do with chemical load of the LRL rods, is based on a kind of "galvanization at distance via high voltage". I don't know if the scientist walk with this kind of devices for to obtain information from buried objects.

Justly I post coil type because the most part here are associate with the well-known coil type. Yes, this ALSO works as long distance.

[Qiaozhi]

Ι Think Esteban should not publish his ideas. Everyone should try on his. Sorry for the recommendation, but this is the truth
I've no idea what you're trying to say here. :shrug:

By chance, was this device mounted on a swivel handle?

No, is pure electronic. Microvoltmeter type.

The most of the devices show in small figures are electronic, EXCEPT some LRL rods. All us experiment with it. Chemical type nothing to do with chemical load of the LRL rods, is based on a kind of "galvanization at distance via high voltage". I don't know if the scientist walk with this kind of devices for to obtain information from buried objects.

Justly I post coil type because the most part here are associate with the well-known coil type. Yes, this ALSO works as long distance.
Although I respect your efforts, it is unlikely that anyone will believe your claims, unless you can post a design that is claimed to work AND can be duplicated by others.
How about it?

[robert]

:nono: :nono: :nono:

"...Ι Think Esteban should not publish his ideas. Everyone should try on his. Sorry for the recommendation, but this is the truth..."

What!? Than why posting any post here? Why claiming such brave claims?
Why bugging everybody here?

Say...arent you "mineorogreece"? Ha Andreas? Old "friend" with brand new nick? Hungs brother in arms?

Esteban i took closer look at you funny thumbnails.....all nonsences!
Sorry....i do not intend to offend you but all of those are pure nonsences...
It is shame that you wasted so many years torturing yourself with "abracadabra" nonsences..!

Like i said this thread not supposed to treat seriously at all!
Regards!
:nono:

[ANDREAS]

No Robert. I am not mineorogreece, I live in Athens and my name is Andreas Christi. If you want come in my country for hollidays stay free of charge, I can you entertain, and see with your eyes truth.:) Simply I believe, when somebody tries achieves something, genuine or dream, we should not make attack:nono: , when we know very well, that here in the more, want something…. no only for personal use, but for commercial exploitation. This is don't like me. There are private e-mails for information. This is better
best regards

[Geo]

Hi robert:) . I know Andreas very well. He is not :nono: "mineorigreece". He is a very good electronic engineer.
Hi Andreas:) . Welcome here:)

[Alexismex]

hello Forum ,
The world of treasure searcher is full of shift brain people like Esteban to confirm the detection of a coin at 70 meters .. I think now it is a very rich man because with a aparatus like that you can win every challenge in the world....
Here in Mexico you have a prize like Carl of 25000 $ Dlls US if you detect a coin at 10 meters (not 70) distance with pseudo detector,OK

[Qiaozhi]

hello Forum ,
The world of treasure searcher is full of shift brain people like Esteban to confirm the detection of a coin at 70 meters .. I think now it is a very rich man because with a aparatus like that you can win every challenge in the world....
Here in Mexico you have a prize like Carl of 25000 $ Dlls US if you detect a coin at 10 meters (not 70) distance with pseudo detector,OK
Yes - I think Esteban must be a very rich man. :D
He can travel the world collecting all the prize money. :cool:

[Esteban]

US$ 25,000 or 50,000 no make rich anybody (less very rich), yes information for commercial exploitation, regarding Andreas. :D Great Andreas!

[Esteban]

Pics since 1978 to today. There are more!

[robert]

:razz: :razz: :D
Gotcha Esteban!
You are satisfied and made a lot of money......selling those to naive customers (aka ignorants....imbeciles...)...
Come to think again....you didnt wasted all those years! Bravo!
Outfit (of device) sells much better than quality!!!
Now i understan your satisfaction! Bravo!:lol: :razz:

[Seden]

Robert,

Listen up to what Andreas is trying to tell you and quit with the personnel attacks:nono: . I'd like to hear your technical ideas,how about it? I'm sure you've got some pet project you'd like to contribute or share you techical expertise with us.

Randy

[robert]

Seden, those are not personal attacks at all! i do know Esteban very well and i appreciate him much. You are just to stupid to understand that!
Again independent advocates shown up here to protect somebodys rights???
About other....you should try to read every thread here and see that there is some history in our relations...on long terms...
Wish u more brains..!
:D

[ANDREAS]

I continue. I have tryed the all models mineoro here in Greece. NO ONE DOES NOT WORK:frown: , EXCEPT mineoro M80 metal detector TWO BOX. Certain years acquired spoiled instrument from Russia military model. Afterwards servis, I saw it works very well;) . This they was reason I deal with long range detectors. They is many that are not published also many that know few and naturally have mouth closed. I try to keep only right level in forum. Only a advice. Search in old good technology, it has many more offer from modern chips and proccesors. Long range metal detector they is reality (no LRLs:lol: ). Make simply a effort:rolleyes: .

[robert]

:)
Bravo Andreas! Now you are talking!
I am very sorry for suspecting you as "mineorogreece"! Excuse me!
Just keep that way man!
Best regards!
:)

Now, small picture for Esteban...my friend!

[ANDREAS]

O.K Robert, always friends :) . But, I inform you that, long range detectors slowly - slowly they become reality. My friend Esteban tries despite a lot and I know very well that.... he has the success very near. Try always also you, HOWEVER WE RESPECTED ALL EFFORTS.
P.S One tips. I student mineoro techology 10-12 years. Now I am sure the problem is calibrations. If we can calibrate ( very - very difficult) this circuit work very well ;) . Very near I put here (forum) photos my projects:cool:
regards

[defineci35]

Hi ESTEBAN,
kindly enlarge the pictures you posted, I am willing to build it and experience what you have experienced in the field. I am serious ok.

[robert]

"...Try always also you, HOWEVER WE RESPECTED ALL EFFORTS...."

I can respect any effort too. It is not about efforts...it is about very brave claims here. 70m on coin...!?

I am not just an "empy talker"....i tried also in the past. Not possible!

Maybe i dont have enough open mind....? But as you see, i am not only here...Many others like me, do not founded any benefits in those....
I am just joker here. If we want to talk seriously....i can only tell you - no way to detect coin at 70m....no way! Not even possible at 70cm...!
regards!

[Esteban]

Hi friends.

Andreas is making serious modifications. Also he know that long range detection is real, is a fact.

Robert, I'm not speaking here about possibility or not, I try to said you and OTHERS that is a fact!

Robert, is true, 70 m for a coin at small depth. With a BFO type in combination with RF detector found a copper mass 120 X 60 cm (very great item) at 50 m and depth 1 m. Generally, this MD as pistol is two detector in one. Believe me, I saw real long range detection by master in it, for example, the big box based on AM radio and transmitter was capable to detect a gold medal at 500 m, so my merit is very poor, only 70 m. The normal is 7-10 m in another systems and via coil absortion (pure receiver) only 3-4 m.

Robert, Andreas is not Mineorogreece and I not comercialize ANY type of machine, I'm investigator with good results sometimes, sometimes changing the circuits or principle... nothing obtain. Also I'm fighting for to obtain better.

The theme is to try the things that the rest negates or never try or don't want to try. Also, if the people start with prejudices, they will be obtain nothing. As there are not literature or principle in wich learn, automatically the theme become in "things of witchs".

[Seden]

Andreas,

Any chance you could email me?

r.seden@sbcglobal.net


thanks,

Randy
U.S.A.

[robert]

"...The theme is to try the things that the rest negates or never try or don't want to try.
Also, if the people start with prejudices, they will be obtain nothing. As there are not
literature or principle in wich learn, automatically the theme become in "things of witchs"..."

First thing comes to my mind, reading these lines....Nikola Tesla, man who discovered many
good things, yet almost always rejected from public opinion at that time. He has a lot of
difficulties to "push" some things forward.
So, you Esteban, might be right....If your work give any real result in future, than you'll
be not only moral winner here but much more. But do not forget one important thing;
Nikola Tesla was one in a million. On million charlatans only one genius! Also there is one
thing more, the fact;
White's,Garrett,Fisher,Minelab,Cscope.....and many more. They are fighting constantly for the
market. They have ee teams, working so many years, very conversant.....how come they didnt
achieved anything even closer to your "results" ???? Are you one in a million, or Andreas???
With full respect to both of you!
I am ee (not necessairly important) for over than 25 years. You are talking mostly about things
i've been working as proffessional all those 25 years! You are mentioning some things like BFO,
RF, receive,transmit,antennas...Did i miss something here? Did i miss anything in those 25 years?
Among other things...there is Physics with its laws. I am just respecting what i learned at my
study and later in work...All you've been talked about is confronting to laws in Physics...
And there is another thing;
how the hell, you imagine, your claims to be accepted here or anywhere in public, if you do not
want to prove anything, to show in public what is all about...???
You should follow steps of many other enthusiasts and constantly present your work in public.
Show some schematics, explain your work.Let other people to be able to reproduct your experiences!
Do not tell us here about "secrets", copyright, stolen projects...etc.etc. Besides, you dont have
anything to worry about. This forum is document itself! A very strong proof about date and time
when and who posted something unique and original. You can always use this forum as proof
that you are original founder of something....This is new era, electronic era. You dont need
"papers" to save your work from others.
Nobody will still you nothing. As far as i been here, i saw nobody get rich on somebodys else
ideas....I know ivconic, he made over 200 devices so far....still he is poor man, living very
modesty...He didnt busted White's, making so many copies of Classic 3....
Look Carl Moreland....he made Hammerhead (i dont like it, yet excellent PI detector)...he didnt
busted PulseStar or Lorenz.....or not to mention Eric Foster!?
Look Sean Goddard....he didnt busted Tesoro or Fisher with his work here.
Point is;if you want to be accepted seriously, come here with real provable facts! Show us real
thing! Give up of just empty claims. Empty,funny yet very brave claims....backuped with no
real background like project itself including schematic,explanations..examples...
I made a lot of jokes on you and others here.Simply i am joker. Sometimes i cross borders of
good behavior. Sometimes i am not descent. But that doesnt mean that i do not respect you and
others here. I just want to provoke you people to start thinking right! Do not act like
children here, be serious in you claims. If you dont want to share your "secrets" here, than
dont make any fantastic claims, or you be laughed constantly....
Like Hung. "Mineoro this...Mineoro that...." At the same time some people wasted money on
mineoro devices and than realized that it was fraud!? Who's gonna take Hung seriously any
more? In future? Hung just have to wait, time to pass, people to forget...and than to show up
again here and to continue to advertise scum and frauds to newbies here...New victims...

If your devices are working for you, for real, than OK. Be happy! Dont worry! If you want to
persuade other people here in that, than you have to offer some concrete proofs!
No wonder Carl offered $25000......He is not stupid, doing that.....Anybody have guts to
take offer....? Ha?
Think twice Esteban...

[ANDREAS]

I believe that, I am not…. big electronic. Simply “I saw” something completely accidentally that gives possibility of detection in big distance. All my efforts have complete success. Exist ofcourse restrictions, other try. See however the things different. Perhaps the solution they is very near and you don't see him. I repeat I don't believe dowsing because I cannot measure NOTHING-NOTHING!!!. When however it can messurement a change electric - magnetic from a strange connection, then, you believe exists solution. When you see models mineoro here Greece t don't work also my friend it went Brazil, a lot of years before, it bought and found alone a ring, I repeat alone and this model does not work here… something HAPPENS!! Something becomes…. They is reason you search still more and this I make. Sorry we cannot make report in way of operation in order to you occupy. I repeat, you search old good analog electronic theory. There is solution.....
regards

[robert]

OK Andreas, give us proofs here,now!


P.S. my blind grandma once founded gold ring by crazy accident....so should be this rule for every who is blind or just crazy accident?

[Qiaozhi]

Yes - my wife found a gold ring in our garden while digging, but previous searches with different metal detectors found nothing valuable. Maybe she is a "long range locator" for gold? I doubt it! Personally I think it was just an accident.

To Esteban - Robert is correct. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. You seem convinced that your homemade LRLs are able to locate gold, silver, etc., at great distances, but you need to supply some objective evidence and not just the subjective stuff you've given us so far. I've already asked this previously - but you ignored my request - how about posting a schematic of an LRL that you claim is working? Then we (Robert, myself and others) can build it and judge for ourselves. Otherwise it is pointless to make unsubstantiated claims.

[Esteban]

Some devices are mine (the very less) and other of my "teacher", so for respect toward my teacher can't post any schematic. I learn of him and he only reveal me a part.

For example, these are evidences (as those pics of 1980 I have 100, include in sequences...). If you can't build a rocket and travel to the Moon, you accept as evidence the photos of NASA...

If you wish stay refractary in this theme, is your problem, no mine. With good intentions I put here. Open your eyes.

[Alexismex]

Esteban , did you know what is 500 meters it is mosly like a FIVE FOOTBALL GAME PLACE for a gold medail ...Men!!!! Crazy men!!! it is the same with 70 meters for a coin , PLEASE PUT YOURS FEET IN EARTH because this forum is not for joke (chiste) it is for learning and creativity with physics and electronics all sort of serious knowledge...in metal detectors

[Esteban]

Ahhh! You're the master in physics, etc., and I'm the crazy! Good!
Have you experimented this? No! Your judgement is under your own experience in it!

Aclaration: I'm not the creator of the extreme long range detector!

[evit]

Ok robert and everyone else I will give you a hint about what these Guys are talking about in Long range detection,which I believe is real since it is very common in physics,
Read below
Schumann Resonance?
The "Schumann Resonance" is a resonance frequency that exists in the Earth's "electromagnetic" cavity; i.e. it exists between terrestrial surface and ionosphere. German physicist W.O.Schumann first detected the resonant properties of this terrestrial cavity in 1954. It may be said that the Schumann Resonance is a breathing phenomenon of the Earth that is lasting from old time. The lowest-frequency and highest-intensity mode of the Schumann Resonance is at a frequency of approximately 7.83Hz.
Human and all animals and plants have been guarded by this frequency of 7.83Hz and lived for long time. But recently, many unnatural radio waves and electromagnetic waves disturb this frequency of 7.83Hz, it have caused wrong influence on our human bodies.

This is the secret.This is what makes all metals emit very fast pulses which you cannot measure.When you make this kind of receiver and tune it for the metal you want to find and make it directional you will see what happens.And also the intensity of these pulses vary during day and night.That is why it is very difficult to build it.
So dont act as if you know everything.And also dont think that if someone does build this kind of receiver , he will ever give you the circuit readily after a lifetime of research.This phenomenon exists so dont doubt it.Instead research.That is what Esteban ,Andreas, and many other people are doing.

[robert]

:(
"..Schumann Resonance?..."


One of main thesis in my magistrate (27 years ago) was Schunamm principle....????
Now you are talking me about that???
Pfffoooof!!!
:angry:

[Esteban]

"..Schumann Resonance?..."


One of main thesis in my magistrate (27 years ago) was Schunamm principle....????
Now you are talking me about that???
Pfffoooof!!!

I want to see the thesis or part of it, if isn't a secret. :lol:

Please, do you can scan a part of it (the part when is your name, of course. Ahh! maybe your name is a secret, RObert!)

[Qiaozhi]

Some devices are mine (the very less) and other of my "teacher", so for respect toward my teacher can't post any schematic. I learn of him and he only reveal me a part.

For example, these are evidences (as those pics of 1980 I have 100, include in sequences...). If you can't build a rocket and travel to the Moon, you accept as evidence the photos of NASA...

If you wish stay refractary in this theme, is your problem, no mine. With good intentions I put here. Open your eyes.
There is good evidence available that NASA actually did go the moon, and any nonsense that states otherwise is just ... well .... plain nonsense. I do not need to build a rocket to prove this to myself, or anyone else. BUT as far as LRLs are concerned - this is not rocket science. Clearly you have managed to build something, and (if this stuff really works) then a simple schematic would dispel any doubts. Let's say you post something that can detect a coin at 10m. Forget 70m, or even 500m, and in fact I would even settle for 2m. :D This would just be a proof of concept.
Personally I'm not holding my breath, and fully expect my request to be sidestepped as before. :rolleyes:

[J_Player]

Let's say you post something that can detect a coin at 10m. Forget 70m, or even 500m, and in fact I would even settle for 2m. :D This would just be a proof of concept.

Settle for 2m? I would prefer to see a design that will work to 4m, as this is enough for me to claim Carl's $25,000. If it works for 4m, then I could use the winnings to pay for the round trip to the test site and even to even buy Carl and all the spectators dinner and lots of Budweiser! ... and I would have way more than enough money left over for buying the remaining parts I need to finish building the "amazing Robertoro guaranteed-to-work" electronic treasure finder. Dang, maybe I could go on to claim the $1 million Randi prize...!!

:super: Yaaa Babyyyy!!

[robert]

:lol: Esteban, you must be a joker!?

Still no proofs, still laic opinions and funny claims...:nono:

I'll be back! (Terminator):D

[Esteban]

1,000,000 Randi's prize is for LRL rods, no for electronic long range detectors, please no mixing the thinks.

IR (infrared) + FM radio = 7 m in distance, depth for coin max. 50-70 cm.

IR + FM radio + magnetic absorption antenna = 25 m

And more and more combinations. Conclusion: an unexploded field with infinite possibilities.

Justly (and incredivel), electronic LRD can based in many systems, and ¡incredivel, surprise! nobody or almost nobody work in it in this forum.

[robert]

:oh: :nono:
"...IR (infrared) + FM radio..."
What are you talking about here, Esteban??? You keep forgeting than i am expert for
radio. Especially FM radio!:cool:
A lot of crap from you lately Esteban??? I am gonna reconsider my attitude upon you!
Yes there is(was) ratio "detector" in some types of radio...but it has nothing to do
with any "detection" we want here!
FM radio = antena+front end+local oscill.+IF+"detector"+nf stage...
No to mention PLL in comercial radios....
I designed few uPC PLL's for radio so far. It was "good money" in the past. Now all
busted eversince small,cheap uPC occured on market. PIC16F84 for example....
I have nice PLL project based on 16F84 and 16F628....But, still it has nothing to do
with any detection we want here!:nono:
So, you probably put IR receiver at radio front end....so when "detecting"...no,no
"long range locating" (ha,ha,ha) is going on, you may hear some hums,mums or whatever
in speaker!???:razz:
C'mon Esteban, you are "sinking" more and more here! Wake up Esteban! Are you 8 year old
child or a man?:angry:
For the last time :
Can you stand here, infront all of us, and SWEAR and put some MONEY..that you, alone,
by yourself, ever detected coin on ...let's say...1 meter depth in the ground?!
Can you Esteban? Can you also repeat that in front of some spactators...? Can you?
Come here and answer! :(

P.S.
Here is only for you esteban; one of my diplomas....I have several of those....
Of course, i had to cover some fields on it. I have to stay unknown here, due my
professional obligations....
I am awared that this prove nothing....But anyway here it is just for you.
Print it, dry it and make some tea from it. Drink and enjoy!
:lol: :lol: :lol:

[robert]

:cool:

"...Sun magnetosphere,synchrinized cycles of sun stripe appearences,proturberances,magnetic
and hypermagnetic disturbances, gales...all those present usuall causes of minor and major,
cyclic and occasional changes in earth ionosphere, which is, due its flowing current
characteristics in direct relation with earth substance and all we can include in it.
Interesting thing is direct relation with human brain resonance! Through axons,nerve fibres
and nerve nets certain DC ion currents are flowing constantly. Shaped through electro impulses
with rate 30 km per second.
Interesting enough is mentioned speed. Just exact speed of earth rotation!!!?
Sun magnetic induction,including all relative disturbances directly influencing electromagnetic
parameters of ionosphere, and of course indirectly affects processes in human brain.
We can transpond this phenomena to other materials in surrounding nature.
Schumman resonances of earth ionosphere are compatible to range 1.5-20 Hz....."
Very low, as you can see.
This is just illustrative sector of much comprehensive, integral lecture i done several years
ago in one foreign institute of Physics.
I wrote it on Serbian language, lectured on German.....right now i have difficulties to translate
all on English, just for this occasion....just on Estebans demand. (like hell i will!)
Besides my English is not so good...i do not want to look funny here....
But point was not me to show up here (i could take it from anywhere on net...couldnt i?).
Point is to show you exact impossibility of using "Schumman resonances" in metal detecting....
If you have at least some brains, if you have at least minor inteligency, you will notice why
it is not possible to do that! Less is possible to gain any kind of LRL ever!
Many things you mentioned here, like; IR,FM, Schumman..blah...etc.etc...are things you are not
awared at all.Not conversant to talk about! Admit that.
I have noticed tendences here, among some members, to surf net, collect some "top-science" terms
and post those in their posts acting like they do know what is all about, for real!!!?
C'mon! Dont be such fools! Do not "act" here any more!
It is so easy to catch you in all your ignorance!
You are developing here a kind of populistic,naive-laic,"scientific(my ***)" talk and discussion
about subjects so distant from you small, incompetitive brains..!
You should stop with those tendencies! Just be as you are! No shame in ignorance! Shame is in
indolence, lack of good will to learn!
Esteban and others; be modest and you'll learn something. Otherwise you'll stay small and
ignorant for the rest of your lives....
:nono:

[Esteban]

RObert: Sorry, but your bla bla bla can destroy what I know (and is very sad that all this can't learn in universities). :lol: :lol: :lol: Practice!!! Practice!!! Work in the open field!!!

Are your diploma downloading from the internet? Remember, I want to see your thesis!!! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :lol: :lol:

IR + radio, yes, but you DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW!!!

No since you have learning, of course!!!

[Alexismex]

He Robert , c'est perdre trop de temps et s'ennerver pour rien de refleter l'ignorance de certains sur les lois fondamentales de la physique et de l'electronique a beaucoup d'amateurs de lrl...plus ils sont ignorants et plus ils sont tetus effectivement ...la physique quantique nous cache encore bien des mysteres mais ils ne remettent pas en cause les fondements... ...Comme radioamateur j'ai realisé des contacts par radio a des milliers de km comme par exemple depuis le Mexique aux iles Rodriguez dans l'ocean Indien ayant prix le contact en phonie sur 40mts avec une antenne yagie directionelle , 100 w d'emission et ensuite abaissant la puissance de 100 a 1 watt en QRP je continuais une conversation parfaite...comment avec une si petite puissance je pouvais continuer le contact S9 (ionisation ? etc...) ??? a une si grande distance ...d'autres experiences fantastiques aussi pleines d'enigmes (en haute altitudes de Volcan a volcan ,4000mts d'altitude)sur des distances de 2000 km , je me suis communiqué aux travers de sortes de tunnels ionisés de 2 metres de diametres avec un walky-talky (5watts bandes 144Mhz) etc....Mais de lá a detecter une monnaie a 500 metres c'est de la mythomanie....mal affectant beaucoup de chercheurs de tresors!!!! et exploité par des malins comme ceux de mineoro....:Dbon salut du Mexique

[Seden]

Carl,

Regarding Magnetotellurics, at what frequency would you be able to see something as small as a large coin? Is it the same relationship as in a VLF Inductance Balance metal detector (the higher the frequency, the smaller the object will be detected)?
In Audio Magnetotellurics it is used to detect very large structures several kilometers down,so why can't it be scaled up to where the higher the frequency the shallower the depth and the smaller the object to be detected would be?

Thank you for your help,

Randy

[robert]

:)
Je suis d'accord avec toi. Attention de salaire sur ceci :

"… les ondes radio voyagent de l'ouest ŕ l'est avec moins d'atténuation qu'elles font d'est-ouest. La différence est environ 3 décibels plus de perte par 1000 milles d'est-ouest. C'est-ŕ-dire que les signaux voyageant d'est-ouest perd environ un 50% davantage de leur puissance par 1000 milles que les signaux voyageant de l'ouest ŕ l'est. Les signaux nord et sud de déplacement ne sont pas affectés. La vitesse également n'est pas affectée assez pour ne causer aucune différence mesurable dans la fréquence de la résonance... "

Entre autres, je suis l'amateur par radio également. Mais dű mon endroit, parfois je juste dois attendre la bonne propagation pour faire la communication.
Oui, l'Amérique du Sud montrée en tant qu'excellent endroit pour la transmission par radio. Mon ami, champion du monde situé ŕ une certaine côte au Brésil.....
Je suis tres désolé parce que mon Français n'est pas aussi bon. Le temps passé et moi l'avons perdu. Je ne l'emploie pas tellement souvent.
Les meilleurs souvenirs !
:)


Esteban, no use to talk with you seriously any more...You are lost for good!
Until you offer some proofs here...you'll be considered as charlatan from now on!
:razz:

[Seden]

I too am an Amatuer Radio Operator,small world. Robert, I was so glad in your last post that you said your french wasn't too good as I thought you were from France.

As you know this coming sunspot is supposed to be the strongest on record. I plan on getting a 10 meter SSB rig for my car as it will be effortless to work Europe on that band then with low power.

My mainstay has always been 160 meters as the men on their are true experimenters and respectable. That's why in America it's referred to as the "Gentlemens band". I also work 183.5 KHZ SSB and have for years. The ARRL has been trying for some time to adopt it as an Amatuer Band but so far no go. Right now their having hams test the 400-500KHZ slice to see if it would make a good band which in my opinion it would be extremely good. They wouldn't of choose it for Maritime if it wasn't good as you know.

Randy WD6ELU

[Carl-NC]

Regarding Magnetotellurics, at what frequency would you be able to see something as small as a large coin? Is it the same relationship as in a VLF Inductance Balance metal detector (the higher the frequency, the smaller the object will be detected)?
In Audio Magnetotellurics it is used to detect very large structures several kilometers down,so why can't it be scaled up to where the higher the frequency the shallower the depth and the smaller the object to be detected would be?


I'm not much up on MT. But I suspect that with MT, you would never be able to detect a single coin. Telluric currents are a large-scale phenomenom, and I doubt single coins would have any impact on the resulting EM fields.

But I may be wrong. :)

- Carl

[robert]

:)
Yeah...
QRP ?
RIG ?

73

[robert]

:rolleyes:
Seden,WD6ELU
"YU1ASB to WD6ELU CQ CQ CQ...."

Medium Frequencies (300kHz-3MHz)
The only amateur medium-frequency band is situated just above the domestic AM broadcast band.
Ground wave provides reliable communication out to 150 km (90 mi) or during the day, when no
other form of propagation is available. Long-distance paths are made at night via the F2 layer.
To tell you the truth i never worked on this...Pitty!
1.8-2.0 MHz (160 m)
The top band, as it is sometimes called, suffers from extreme daytime D-layer absorption.
Even at high radiation angles, virtually no signal can pass through to the F layer, so
daytime communication is limited to ground-wave coverage. At night, the D layer quickly
disappears and worldwide 160-m communication becomes possible via F2-layer skip. Atmospheric
and man-made noise limit propagation.Tropical and midlatitude thunderstorms cause high levels
of static in summer, making winter evenings the best time to work DX at 1.8 MHz. A proper
hoice of receiving antenna can often significantly reduce the amount of received noise while
enhancing desired signals.
We have rig in local club but i do not have time to go there oftenly....Also no conditions to
put beam in backyard...stupid reason but true!
I usually work on my 80m....3.737 and 3.725...when at home.Preparing shaft for next season...
Right now i am far away from home and must stay until 09/2007.
In local we are using 145.4MHz....and R2,R3 and R7+...QL6WU works excellent! Although i prefer
"Slim Jim" due verical polarisation...not located well..any GP would do the job i suppose.
But there is 50MHz band very popular lately in my country...Intend to make transceivier when
have some spare time...i guess in winter...I also have CB FM/AM...but this band almost abandoned
here in Serbia...Pitty!

FOR "BELEIVERS" TO READ VERY CAREFULLY !!! (ESTEBAN JUST READ THIS)
Noise
Many unintentional radio emissions result from man-made sources. Broadband radio signals are
produced whenever there is a spark, such as in contact switches, electric motors, gasoline
engine spark plugs and faulty electrical connections. Household appliances, such as fluorescent
lamps, microwave ovens, lamp dimmers and anything containing an electric motor may all produce
undesirable broadband radio energy. Devices of all sorts, especially computers and anything
controlled by microprocessors,television receivers and many other electronics also emit radio
signals that may be perceived as noise well into the UHF range. In many cases, these sources
are local and can be controlled with proper measures.
High-voltage transmission lines and associated equipment, including transformers, switches and
lightning arresters, can generate high-level radio signals over a wide area, especially if they
are corroded or improperly maintained. Transmission lines may act as efficient antennas at some
frequencies, adding to the noise problem. Certain kinds of street lighting, neon signs and
industrial equipment also contribute their share of noise.
Now can anybody tell me something about LRL accuracy!? If we presume that lrl is workin at all?
Great Esteban knows the "secret", of course! Aint no noise which can disturb Estebans
"whoola-whoola" devices...!:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Esteban]

I'm not much up on MT. But I suspect that with MT, you would never be able to detect a single coin. Telluric currents are a large-scale phenomenom, and I doubt single coins would have any impact on the resulting EM fields.

But I may be wrong. :)

- Carl

Very prudent... Others are very temerary in his appreciations:

He Robert , c'est perdre trop de temps et s'ennerver pour rien de refleter l'ignorance de certains sur les lois fondamentales de la physique et de l'electronique a beaucoup d'amateurs de lrl...plus ils sont ignorants et plus ils sont tetus effectivement ...la physique quantique nous cache encore bien des mysteres mais ils ne remettent pas en cause les fondements...

bla

bla

bla, etc.

Mais de lá a detecter une monnaie a 500 metres c'est de la mythomanie....mal affectant beaucoup de chercheurs de tresors!!!! et exploité par des malins comme ceux de mineoro....:Dbon salut du Mexique

The system was AM (25-30 years ago) and today is no good for the sources of interferences. Alex, do you're working in MD factory or you're the owner? Are you neutral?

What is the REAL purpose of this forum?

How a great physicist as Alex don't feel shane for to visit this forum? So, I want to know why the other physicists don't visit it!!! As you don't have any proof against LRD, enjoy more here (1981 to 2006)!!! (DO YOU CAN FIGHT AGAINST IT, but no only with words?) (RObert: If your diploma and your thesis are secrets, why not long range detectors info!!!) :)

[Rudy]

Reading this thread can be such a source of humor. No matter
how bad things went at work that day, I can count on coming here
and in a few minutes of reading I am laughing and feel much better.:lol:

The eternal search for some new and unexplored effect that will somehow,
manage to identify a gold coin at half a kilometer (more or less). :lol:

You have a better chance of finding a way of reversing entropy. :nono:

[robert]

:lol:
Yes, Carl is very well known as "prudent" man! Especially when he
offers $25000....or maybe he is very sure that LRL is nonsence!?
Let us be reminded on previous Carl's post:
"Sorry, Esteban, but what you are claiming does not align with
physical possibility. Unless there is independent collaboration,
I will have to assume that these devices are essentially the
same as all the other LRLs out there: non-working wish devices.
And I have personally owned, used, and tested just about everything
the LRL world has put out, from chemical loads, to MFD, to ionic...
none of it has ever even remotely come close to working. Nor have
any of the technological claims.
"Here antenna type..."
By chance, was this device mounted on a swivel handle?
- Carl......."

Ha,ha,ha! "Prudent" or experienced ?
Of course that i absoulte agree with him!
Even more; i SPIT on LRL or any variation of it!
So Esteban....despite obvious proofs that your claims are
nonsences, you keep posting funny pictures!?
Bunch of "yo-yos" holding some "whoola-whoola" devices and
pose infront of camera!? And those are your proofs!?
I understand you very well Esteban; you just can not accept
the sad fact, that you wasted so many precious years of your
life on such nonsences and pseudo science.....all that for
nothing!
Only thing you can do here is to post more nonsences and
fantastic claims! To continue with wasting time and space here
despite bust and horror you are living in!?
Yes i do understand you, my friend. Very sad. I can sing you
nice blues song about it....Would you prefer Johnny Lee Hooker
or B.B.King ? Or Muddy Waters?
I know! Carlos Santana will suit you just fine! Oye Como va!
:lol: :lol: :lol:

I have 1 000 000 pics more to post, how about you?

[Esteban]

Your judgement is since your experiences. My first trip on metal detection was just with long distance MD (in company of the designer for 4 days), and later with "classic" MD. I stay amazed!!! at my 20 years. So I start with it and continue with LDMD and the "classic". Alternating. And more: 500 m is very short (minimal) and depend of the size of the target. Sorry for to hurt your structure with this afirmation. But this kind of radar detector WAS.

When start posting in this forum, think I will be receive echoes of similar experiences (of others) (THIS IS THE PURPOSE OF THIS FORUM, no the SISTEMATIC NEGATION. IN OTHER WORDS: IF THE PURPOSE IS TO NEGATE ALL POSSIBILITIES, NO REASON TO CONTINUE, THIS FORUM).

Of course, my results are modest in comparisson, but easily I achieve near 80 m for cavalry items (bronze and silver) buried at 75 cm.

With 4 ICs, 7 transistors, 2 diodes + passive components + 3 antennas you can detect 15-20 m a coin (buried for X time, minimum since 1 or 2 years).

So, if there are here on forum a physicist and can't make a similar instrument, is very easy to understand: no info never had and the worst: never work in this direction!!! Of course, as others MD, LDMD suffers problems since you need to work near the point when start the inestability.

I built the next circuit 10 years ago. Sorry the dirty paper (also the size), I adjust some parameters and erase some values and insert others, etc. So, you don't need more, maybe helping by microprocessor type PIC.

[ANDREAS]

Have all right. BUT when we don't know, who will manufacture for personal use and who for commercial, we cannot publish circuits. Simply we give reason you try alone for better results. Esteban please publish here photos my first project Dilliger, because I have problem insert images. I would make so much effort of manufacture, if I am nοt sure for result?
regards

[robert]

"Your judgement is since your experiences.."
Yes it is true. My experiences so far, tells me that, what you are claiming is not possible.
" I stay amazed!!! at my 20 years.."
It is so easy for some old fraud to amaze young boy like you was at the time.
"..500 m is very short (minimal) and depend of the size of the target.."
First it was 70m on coin...now is 500m....!!!!???? Really Esteban!? If this is possible
than why dont patent it and make a lot of money? I am sure that White's will pay you
$10 000.000 for that patent. I can talk to them in your name, if you dont know how!
I am already pretty familliar with them....so might earn some benefits for you!

"..When start posting in this forum, think I will be receive echoes of similar experiences.."
So time passed, and as you see; no echoes...except Hung. Only negations, not only from me but
from many people here! What this tells you? Think about that a bit!

"...NO REASON TO CONTINUE, THIS FORUM..."

Yes, there are to many reasons to continue this nice forum. The best of the best!
But, NO REASON YOU TO CONTINUE TO POST NONSENCES AND FUNNY PHOTOS ANY MORE...
You already presented yourself as a friend, nice man, good enthusiast.....why spoiling
with nonsences. As i saw, you have much other things to offer here. Some concrete electronic
schematics...VLF,PI,BFO....any kind of workable and testable devices.....Why not doing that?
Do not spoil good "picture" you already have here! Leave that bull**** to hung.He is enough!

"Of course, my results are modest in comparisson, but easily I achieve near 80 m for cavalry
items (bronze and silver) buried at 75 cm.With 4 ICs, 7 transistors, 2 diodes + passive
components + 3 antennas you can detect 15-20 m a coin (buried for X time, minimum since 1
or 2 years)..."
Again, you are just dreaming! I just can not accept that you are lying...although it is
possible also...Have you ever heard about "placebo" effect? I think that you are just
surviving that!
Andreas, i saw schematic you send to ivconic. He mailed to me few days ago...I want to play
fair here, so do not intend to post it without your permission....but must tell you few
things;
You schematic is also nonsence! Ordinary,simple,obsolete type of receiver....You can
receive only hums and interferences with it....maybe some strong local station!?
Do not be affraid to post it here, so everybody can see and laugh to death! Also, you may
see others opinion than mine here.....I am not almighty, i am human also, can make
mistake, can missjudge things....So better would be if you post that here and let other to
see it. I was talking to ivconic and we are sharing same opinion about that.
Let other to see and than we can talk more...
regards!
:lol:

[Esteban]

RObert

I'm shielding of you! So, you can make any damage! :lol:

[ANDREAS]

No Robert. I don't want published nothing. Keep for you. Simply I made a trial, in order to see what I fear. Nothing here does not remain concealed. For this, does not exist case no real diagram it is published.
regards

[robert]

:razz: :razz: :razz:
Beware Esteban, what you posted on photo is Serbian product! I am Serbian also...so beware!
:razz: :razz: :razz:

[Esteban]

:razz: :razz: :razz:
Beware Esteban, what you posted on photo is Serbian product! I am Serbian also...so beware!
:razz: :razz: :razz:



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[robert]

:lol: :razz:
Using Tesla's coil outdoor to locate items in the ground......????
You must be dazed oftenly? That explains your claims here.....:razz:

[Tim Williams]

I would be interested in building and testing this device. If promising results, I may improve more. Email me if interested. We will keep this private if you want.

Tim

[Esteban]

My cousin return me an album of pics of 1988. Here Alonso, I and Juan with the pistol.