Advanced LRL from U.S.A

[Morris_jo]

Hi everyone:

Today during my surf in the internet, i have found very interesting website

http://www.futuretreasuresusa.com/metal_detectors.html

for company that claims it`s manufacture LRL which are able to do the following:

1-Search for a treasure in open field ( 2 Kilometers ) .
2-Determine the treasure Center .
3-Determine the excat Depth.

4-Discrimintaion between: Gold, Diamond, Silver, Lead, Copper and Titanium.


Did anyone have these instruments? do they work for real?


Looking forward

[Qiaozhi]

Hi everyone:

Today during my surf in the internet, i have found very interesting website

http://www.futuretreasuresusa.com/metal_detectors.html

for company that claims it`s manufacture LRL which are able to do the following:

1-Search for a treasure in open field ( 2 Kilometers ) .
2-Determine the treasure Center .
3-Determine the excat Depth.

4-Discrimintaion between: Gold, Diamond, Silver, Lead, Copper and Titanium.


Did anyone have these instruments? do they work for real?


Looking forward


You should post this question in the Remote Sensing Forum. :frown:

[Seden]

I just sent a letter to the MFG. requesting further literature,picure and price. The US rep. is in New York so I gave them my home address and will see. They did mention the "Beep Mat" which is very much a legimate unit made in Canada that is good for locating sulfides and costs around 6K I believe. Here's hoping.

Randy

[Carl-NC]

4-Discrimintaion between: Gold, Diamond, Silver, Lead, Copper and Titanium.



When they claim to detect diamonds, that's usually a dead give-away. :)

[Seden]

Carl,

Yeah your right, I didn't notice that as I skimmed through it. I can't stand text only ads and those are weird to say the least. Diamonds,oh geez.:nono: And my Father was a Jesuit Priest too (let's keep that last one quiet please).

Randy

[Dell Winders]

When they claim to detect diamonds, that's usually a dead give-away. :)

A dead giveaway to What?

[Morris_jo]

Hello,

I wish if i could find some small Pieces of DIAMONDS ...


Looking forward

[Morris_jo]

Hello,

Since 3 years, i was very interested to buy a mineoro device, i thought it do magic through T.H , as you can find a treasure from a distance that may reach 800 meter, even to determine the depth and the center point to DIGG !!

But for now, i am sure 100% it`s A very high techniques used in T.H SCAM, to fool PPL. and steal their money as piece of cake ....

I wonder, Why all these Manuafactures or Companies or " Inventors " take alot of time, money, efforts, tests .... etc , after while they came up with a miracle " The Big scam Of LRL " !!!!

I have found more than 50 LRL, all of them were adver. to be the best in the world due to capabilities in T.H, also they send you some pictures of what T.Hs fhad found with their devices ( Big Golden Treasures ) !!!

Even the real scam device, you have the fake pictures of treasures that they had recovered !!!

To all the forum members , i need answer for my question:

Is there is any posibility in science to make a real metals LRL ?


Looking forward

[hung]

Just thought I would stop by and coment...

Hello,

Since 3 years, i was very interested to buy a mineoro device, i thought it do magic

That's the problem. You don't want a Long range metal detector. You want vodoo. For this try their forum. You may be lucky there and win as a bounus a device which will also dig for you outside while you remain at home watching Indiana Jones DVDs.



I have found more than 50 LRL, all of them were adver. to be the best in the world due to capabilities in T.H, also they send you some pictures of what T.Hs fhad found with their devices ( Big Golden Treasures ) !!!

You show all your inexperience in the sentence above. First it's not the manufacturers who find gold, It's the users who work hard in the field for this to happen.
Also take my word. Detection is the easiest part of all. Digging and recovery depending on the location (which most of the time has terrible conditions) is the important part and don't even compare in terms of EXTREME difficulty and hard work. Or you think the people who hid their values placed this on a tray ready to be delivered?
Add to this, treasure found in private lands, trouble to deal with the owner, discovery leaked attracting people to the site AND the high possibility of bandits shows up which would involve violence, etc. and etc. and etc.

Even the real scam device, you have the fake pictures of treasures that they had recovered !!!

Yes. We must be careful.
Maybe we have fake jobs, a fake house, a fake wife... Hey we might even be 'fakes' too..



Is there is any posibility in science to make a real metals LRL ?


Looking forward

I really think you would experience enough amusing just by reading treasure hunting books. Not 'living' it by yourself.

'Many are called. But only a few chosen'. (thank God)
Regards.

[hung]

By the way, the link above belongs to Knouzm as well. They have new devices.
http://knouzm.net/en/4-2.html

Fun isn't it? Do those devices work? I don't know, but it should.
Also take some time and check the new toys at left.
It seems this Laser/Infrared technology is being evolved by them since the DIS300. Well, if it did not work they would not be investing on them...
This apparently confirms what I have been discovering about them.

Now, who will be the first one to buy these toys and tell us how it goes?
Doe it have to be Carl all the time? :D

[Clondike Clad]

Most if not all LRL i know don't work.:angry: why not have professional testing test and report on LRL.
Why not send one to LostTreasures and have them test it.
The thing it to have an out side firm test and report on this stuff.
At this time from what i Know a LRL will not work at this time.
If Carl and I and and and and every one I know can't get it to work.
But with a metal detector a 6 year old can get it to work.:)
So at this time I see the LRL thing as a SCAM to ME.
I hope someone can prove me wrong:cool:
ONE THING I DO KNOW IS CARL IS NOT A DUMMIE
WHY CAN'T HE MAKE A SO CALL REAL LRL WORK
HE WOULD BE TH FIRST ONE TO SING A SONG ON IT

[Dell Winders]

Although I don't find most LRL's to be as they are advertised, I have experienced some sort reaction from most every LRL I have field tested.

Carl, on the other hand claims none of them work at all, at the same time other people experience success in their use. Certainly, any intelligent person should wonder why he would try to contridict fact?

This is not rocket science technology. Any idiot can take a few screws loose, open up an LRL, take a picture, and claim it can't possibly work. Even me. It requires no knowledge of the subject or field experience of any kind. Just an agenda.

Until Carl, conducts extensive field testing of the products he reports about, he is being dis-honest. Unfortunately, being untruthful is a habitual way of life for Carl. He appears unable to help himself.

Carl's, own ficticous claims ranks along side the ficticous, or exaggerated advertising claims made by some LRL manufacturers. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Yes, it would be nice if there was an unbiased, non-prejudiced scientist that was conducting actual field studies based on fact, and NOT on assumption, or using a cheap advertising gimmick challenge to promote themselves and their agenda.

Regretably, there are no real Scientist conducting LRL studies. Only untruthful scientific Pretenders. Dell

[J_Player]

Before you invest any money on long range locators, consider these facts:

1. There is no person on earth who is willing to demonstrate any long range locator working in front of witnesses to recover treasure today. Hung makes a lot of talk about how well the Mineoro and other LRL machines work, But he has never demonstrated any Mineoro machine working to recover treasures in front of consumers who would like to see them work before buying one. And Dell Winders is a manufacturer of long range locators who canceled his plans to attend a treasure show when he learned that an engineer would be there giving seminars in treasure hunting technology. Dell refuses to demonstrate any of the equipment he manufactures recovering any treasure in front of witnesses or consumers who would like to see them recover treasure. He is only interested in telling stories of great treasures found in the past with his machines as long as you cannot verify that this machines work before buying them.

2. If you read the large treasure hunting forums like Find's, Treasure Depot, Treasure Net, etc, you will find thousands of forum posts made by people who show photos of the treasures they found today. You will not find any posts of treasures found by people using LRLs. You will only find posts from people who use metal detectors and other machines like you read about in other sections of this forum. The only place you find stories about treasure from a LRL is from somebody selling a LRL. People like Hung and Dell winders are either LRL manufacturers or associated with LRL manufacturers, and have a vested interest in convincing people to pay money for these machines. Hung has posted in this forum that his team does testing for the Mineoro factory.

3. The overwhelming consensus of people interested in treasure hunting is that LRLs are a scam and they don't work. You can verify this fact by asking if LRLs work in any treasure hunting forum and look at the answers you get. While LRLs don't locate treasure as advertised, they truly are able to locate treasure from long distances by causing people all over the world to send money to the manufacturer.

4. I know of one long range locator that works, and has found gold, copper, oil, and other geological formations from miles away. This locator is installed in satellites that NASA has been putting into orbit since the 1970s. It is not particularly useful for finding nuggets and coins, but works very well for finding ore deposits and oil deposits. The inventor made a number of hand-held versions to be used on foot or in a vehicle. You can read more about it here: http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/showthread.php?t=11342&highlight=bickel

This machine is no longer manufactured for civilian use, but the used models are selling for about $15,000 US if you can find one. They are highly prized by oil companies and mining companies who still use them today.

[Jim]

Although I don't find most LRL's to be as they are advertised, I have experienced some sort reaction from most every LRL I have field tested.

Carl, on the other hand claims none of them work at all, at the same time other people experience success in their use. Certainly, any intelligent person should wonder why he would try to contridict fact?

This is not rocket science technology. Any idiot can take a few screws loose, open up an LRL, take a picture, and claim it can't possibly work. Even me. It requires no knowledge of the subject or field experience of any kind. Just an agenda.

Until Carl, conducts extensive field testing of the products he reports about, he is being dis-honest. Unfortunately, being untruthful is a habitual way of life for Carl. He appears unable to help himself.

Carl's, own ficticous claims ranks along side the ficticous, or exaggerated advertising claims made by some LRL manufacturers. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Yes, it would be nice if there was an unbiased, non-prejudiced scientist that was conducting actual field studies based on fact, and NOT on assumption, or using a cheap advertising gimmick challenge to promote themselves and their agenda.

Regretably, there are no real Scientist conducting LRL studies. Only untruthful scientific Pretenders. Dell

More fodder for the Dell Winder's crybaby thread :rolleyes:

[Qiaozhi]

A dead giveaway to What?
A scam, of course. What else? :nono:

[Qiaozhi]

Although I don't find most LRL's to be as they are advertised, I have experienced some sort reaction from most every LRL I have field tested.
Yes - a bad one - in the wallet. :frown:

Carl, on the other hand claims none of them work at all, at the same time other people experience success in their use. Certainly, any intelligent person should wonder why he would try to contridict fact?
Other people "think" they have achieved success in their use. That's a different thing altogether. Self delusion and objective reporting is not a result.

This is not rocket science technology.
That's certainly true - it's not rocket science - it's pseudoscience.

Any idiot can take a few screws loose, open up an LRL, take a picture, and claim it can't possibly work. Even me. It requires no knowledge of the subject or field experience of any kind. Just an agenda.
That's also true, but in this case it's not the idiots who are taking them apart to expose a scam, it's the idiots who are building these devices in the first place.

Until Carl, conducts extensive field testing of the products he reports about, he is being dis-honest. Unfortunately, being untruthful is a habitual way of life for Carl. He appears unable to help himself.
Actually you have very recently been given the opportunity to prove Carl wrong, but you wimped out of attending "The Treasure Expo" in August. :razz:

Carl's, own ficticous claims ranks along side the ficticous, or exaggerated advertising claims made by some LRL manufacturers. Two wrongs don't make a right.
Aah! So which LRL claims are not fictitious? Let me guess .... those of Dell Winders?

Yes, it would be nice if there was an unbiased, non-prejudiced scientist that was conducting actual field studies based on fact, and NOT on assumption, or using a cheap advertising gimmick challenge to promote themselves and their agenda.
All scientists are biased. That's why double blind testing is used extensively in real science, and not objective evidence and selective amnesia.

Regretably, there are no real Scientist conducting LRL studies. Only untruthful scientific Pretenders. Dell
Not any more. There are many reports on dowsing and LRLs which prove conclusively they do not work. Why would any real scientist want to carry out such a test? It certainly wouldn't be to enhance his reputation. :lol: :lol:

[Dell Winders]

Are you Carl?

[Qiaozhi]

Are you Carl?
No. Are you?

[hung]

But he has never demonstrated any Mineoro machine working to recover treasures
What for?

in front of consumers who would like to see them work before buying one.

I'm not a dealer, so what's the point?

People like Hung are either LRL manufacturers or associated with LRL manufacturers,
I told many times I'm not. I just praise a working LRL, in this case the one I own. If I ever suceed with another one, I'll praise it too.

Hung has posted in this forum that his team does testing for the Mineoro factory.

Show me this post.

While LRLs don't locate treasure as advertised,

The one I own sure does. Although I agree that advertising in all business levels due to capitalism has a bit of exageration.
I can't speak for other LRLs but the one I use, detects the phenomena which in turn leads to the target. Sometimes detection is no good. Most of the time it is.

[Carl-NC]

Carl, on the other hand claims none of them work at all, at the same time other people experience success in their use. Certainly, any intelligent person should wonder why he would try to contridict fact?

I claim they do not work the way they are advertised, intended*, or believed to work. But even "psychics" occassionally make correct guesses and, likewise, every once in a while someone using an LRL finds something. I don't deny this at all.

Dell, if you have any convictions whatsoever, come to the Treasure Expo and meet with me. I've privately & publically offered a guarantee of civility and respect, and would love to actually talk to you about this. I will also have some demonstrators that I think you would find interesting, and which are capable of providing hard evidence that "signal lines" don't exist. If you really believe in what you have been saying all these years, then you have nothing to fear in talking to me.

- Carl

*Unless the intent is simply to sell them.

[Morris_jo]

You don't want a Long range metal detector. You want vodoo. For this try their forum.

What LRL you have ? Name it : ? , I think it`s the mineoro scam !!!

Vodoo or magic: i think you are not aware of what you are talking about,i had experience with some in this field, you will never imagine what they able to do, only one member in this forum know what i am talking about !


You may be lucky there and win as a bounus a device which will also dig for you outside while you remain at home watching Indiana Jones DVDs.

May be i can win a real LRL, while watching you digging a trash objetcs with your FG80 ....... !


You show all your inexperience in the sentence above.

You might change your name:"Hung the Expert" or ... what ever you like...



First it's not the manufacturers who find gold, It's the users who work hard in the field for this to happen.

You are wrong here, a company or manfacture which made any kind of MDs, must show their test fields to the public! what do they have to loose ?!!




Also take my word. Detection is the easiest part of all. Digging and recovery depending on the location (which most of the time has terrible conditions) is the important part and don't even compare in terms of EXTREME difficulty and hard work. Or you think the people who hid their values placed this on a tray ready to be delivered?

The real talks here: i know what difficulties you are talking about, you must know we work in any locations we put our hands on .

We don`t search in open lands, it`s not the good luck we looking for !




Add to this, treasure found in private lands, trouble to deal with the owner, discovery leaked attracting people to the site AND the high possibility of bandits shows up which would involve violence, etc. and etc. and etc.

even the valued places, we set and talks to the owner, and take their permissions with a solid agreement.

I don`t know what violence you had faced, for my own experiment i had twice guns shoot ...:cool:


Yes. We must be careful.
Maybe we have fake jobs, a fake house, a fake wife... Hey we might even be 'fakes' too..

Good point, don`t forget FAKE AND SCAM LRL !!!!



I really think you would experience enough amusing just by reading treasure hunting books. Not 'living' it by yourself.

Sure, so you are the expert here Hung !!, every T.H learns more every day, it`s opened universe, no limits at all ....


'Many are called. But only a few chosen'. (thank God)

The chosen one: i don`t think we are in a church right now!!


Finally: most of your post, replys and even the arguments indicates that may be you are assigned by Mineoro to be: a LRL Lawyer :lol: .
Regards.


Best Regards

[hung]

I claim they do not work the way they are advertised, intended*, or believed to work. But even "psychics" occassionally make correct guesses and, likewise, every once in a while someone using an LRL finds something. I don't deny this at all.

Hey, this is new !
So you begin to change your mind?

which are capable of providing hard evidence that "signal lines" don't exist. .

http://www.rangertell.com/siggfgnalline.htm

Signal lines mostly are results from the resonance equivalent of Inverse Faraday Effect (magnetization by a circularly polarized electromagnetic field). NMR for instance, is the resonance equivalent of magnetization by a permanent magnet. In both cases resonance occurs between the spin states of the Pauli matrix.

[J_Player]

My original post:
Hung makes a lot of talk about how well the Mineoro and other LRL machines work, But he has never demonstrated any Mineoro machine working to recover treasures in front of consumers who would like to see them work before buying one.

Hung's reply to what I posted:
What for?
I'm not a dealer, so what's the point?

There is no reason you should demonstrate a Mineoro machine retrieving treasure. In fact it is very important that you never attempt to demonstrate a Mineoro device, in order to prevent people from discovering that you are not able to locate treasure with it. There are a few suckers who still believe the unprovable stories you tell in this forum. And if you were to actually attempt to demonstrate a Mineoro machine locating treasure, these last followers would join the rest of the forum in their laughter.


My original post:
People like Hung and Dell winders are either LRL manufacturers or associated with LRL manufacturers, and have a vested interest in convincing people to pay money for these machines.

Hung's reply to what I posted:
I told many times I'm not.

I have never heard you say you are not associated with a LRL manufacturer. In fact I read a number of posts you made where you associate yourself with Damasio, the designer and builder of the Mineoro LRLs. You also associated yourself with Myron Evans, and went on to attempt to defend the inventor of "alleged" free energy from a vacum like Bearden, and also the concept of spiritists dematerializing, psychics who bend spoons, Hutchinson, Cathie, Flamarion, TT Brown, etc.

Judging by the amount of work you did testing and posting about the Mineoro LRLs, It seems quite obvious you have a vested interest in the Mineoro machines, and are associated with the manufacturer as you have demonstrated in your previous posts in this forum. That is assuming that you were not lying to us when you talked about the long conversations with Damasio, and visits to the Mineoro factory, and field testing done with Damasio.

[Qiaozhi]

Hey, this is new !
So you begin to change your mind?
When I read Carl's post, the message was quite clear. i.e. LRL users will sometimes get lucky by sheer guesswork. It's a statistical phenomenon. But obviously this was not clear enough for someone with a psudoscientific bias.
Try again Hung.... next time even you might get lucky. :lol:


http://www.rangertell.com/siggfgnalline.htm

Signal lines mostly are results from the resonance equivalent of Inverse Faraday Effect (magnetization by a circularly polarized electromagnetic field). NMR for instance, is the resonance equivalent of magnetization by a permanent magnet. In both cases resonance occurs between the spin states of the Pauli matrix.
Complete gibberish. :nono:

[Dell Winders]

Dell, if you have any convictions whatsoever, come to the Treasure Expo and meet with me. I've privately & publically offered a guarantee of civility and respect, and would love to actually talk to you about this. I will also have some demonstrators that I think you would find interesting, and which are capable of providing hard evidence that "signal lines" don't exist. If you really believe in what you have been saying all these years, then you have nothing to fear in talking to me.

- Carl

*Unless the intent is simply to sell them.

Carl, if you are so interested in my attending THE,you can pay for my room and expenses. That's $500. Dell

[hung]

My original post:
Hung makes a lot of talk about how well the Mineoro and other LRL machines work, But he has never demonstrated any Mineoro machine working to recover treasures in front of consumers who would like to see them work before buying one.

Hung's reply to what I posted:


There is no reason you should demonstrate a Mineoro machine retrieving treasure. In fact it is very important that you never attempt to demonstrate a Mineoro device, in order to prevent people from discovering that you are not able to locate treasure with it. There are a few suckers who still believe the unprovable stories you tell in this forum. And if you were to actually attempt to demonstrate a Mineoro machine locating treasure, these last followers would join the rest of the forum in their laughter.


My original post:
People like Hung and Dell winders are either LRL manufacturers or associated with LRL manufacturers, and have a vested interest in convincing people to pay money for these machines.

Hung's reply to what I posted:


I have never heard you say you are not associated with a LRL manufacturer. In fact I read a number of posts you made where you associate yourself with Damasio, the designer and builder of the Mineoro LRLs. You also associated yourself with Myron Evans, and went on to attempt to defend the inventor of "alleged" free energy from a vacum like Bearden, and also the concept of spiritists dematerializing, psychics who bend spoons, Hutchinson, Cathie, Flamarion, TT Brown, etc.

Judging by the amount of work you did testing and posting about the Mineoro LRLs, It seems quite obvious you have a vested interest in the Mineoro machines, and are associated with the manufacturer as you have demonstrated in your previous posts in this forum. That is assuming that you were not lying to us when you talked about the long conversations with Damasio, and visits to the Mineoro factory, and field testing done with Damasio.

Let's be objective. You failed to show me the post I supposedly say I do field tests for Mineoro. Where is it?

[hung]

Complete gibberish. :nono:

That's exactly what a 10 year old kid would say.
Is your age 10 also?

[Carl-NC]

Carl, if you are so interested in my attending THE,you can pay for my room and expenses. That's $500. Dell

When Don offered to pay for your room, that was at MY request, with MY money. I will still pay for your room. I might even buy you dinner. I will not pay you $500.

- Carl

[Qiaozhi]

That's exactly what a 10 year old kid would say.
Is your age 10 also?
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
That must have hurt. You are obviously lost for an intelligent answer. :frown:

Pseudoscientific gobbledygook doesn't impress me one iota. Anyone can write gibberish and pass it off as real science. Sometimes naive people will post this crap on an LRL manufacturer's website, even when it was written "tongue in cheek" by a skeptic. :razz:
Hmmm... I wonder who that could have been?????

[hung]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
That must have hurt. You are obviously lost for an intelligent answer. :frown:

Pseudoscientific gobbledygook doesn't impress me one iota. Anyone can write gibberish and pass it off as real science. Sometimes naive people will post this crap on an LRL manufacturer's website, even when it was written "tongue in cheek" by a skeptic. :razz:
Hmmm... I wonder who that could have been?????

What I stated in that post is not 'pseudoscience' as you say. It's common physics. And you definitely should know that if If you REALLY have physics background and did not skip classes. But as you show you ignore it, too bad. Limitations hurt sometimes.
This only reinforces my intention of not wasting my time here talking about this with people like you.

[Clondike Clad]

Carl, if you are so interested in my attending THE,you can pay for my room and expenses. That's $500. Dell
************************************************** *
DELL THAT IS VERY LOW OF YOU.
AS LOW AS THE LRL YOU MAKE.
This SOUND LIKE A CON MAN GETTING SOMEONE TO PAY HIS WAY FOR FREE.
CARL DON'T BE CON BUT THIS.
LET HIM PAY HIS ON WAY.
DELL GO AND MEET CARL AND SHOW HIM HOW TO USE A LRL.

[Qiaozhi]

What I stated in that post is not 'pseudoscience' as you say. It's common physics. And you definitely should know that if If you REALLY have physics background and did not skip classes. But as you show you ignore it, too bad. Limitations hurt sometimes.
This only reinforces my intention of not wasting my time here talking about this with people like you.
You are horribly confused. :frown:
Here's the original gibberish that you posted:
http://www.rangertell.com/siggfgnalline.htm

Signal lines mostly are results from the resonance equivalent of Inverse Faraday Effect (magnetization by a circularly polarized electromagnetic field). NMR for instance, is the resonance equivalent of magnetization by a permanent magnet. In both cases resonance occurs between the spin states of the Pauli matrix.
Firstly you have referenced a link to the RangerTell website. It is well known that the Examiner is simply a cheap calculator glued onto a plastic box full of nonsense electronics. This is not real science in any shape or form.
Secondly you then refer to signal lines, and try to justify their existence by stringing together a collection of scientific terms that have no connection with this non-existent phenomenon.

On more than one occasion you have also stated "This only reinforces my intention of not wasting my time here talking about this with people like you." - BUT you're still here. :???:
Surely you must be some sort of twisted masochist, otherwise why would you continue to post this nonsense, and then get upset when someone points out the error of your ways.

[hung]

Firstly you have referenced a link to the RangerTell website. It is well known that the Examiner is simply a cheap calculator glued onto a plastic box full of nonsense electronics. This is not real science in any shape or form.

Stupidity number one.

Secondly you then refer to signal lines, and try to justify their existence by stringing together a collection of scientific terms that have no connection with this non-existent phenomenon.

Stupidity number two.

Surely you must be some sort of twisted masochist, otherwise why would you continue to post this nonsense, and then get upset when someone points out the error of your ways.

Incredibly the statement above is absolutely true for yourself. Only one difference. I don't get upset. Never.
But I admit being around here just to make sure you don't say any more stupidities sometimes is tiresome.:frown:

[Qiaozhi]

Stupidity number one.

Stupidity number two.

Incredibly the statement above is absolutely true for yourself. Only one difference. I don't get upset. Never.
But I admit being around here just to make sure you don't say any more stupidities sometimes is tiresome.:frown:
Still here then?
Interesting ... I also don't get upset :D and am just here to prevent your pseudoscientific mindset from infecting this forum with erroneous information.
Isn't it strange that my comment on the Rangertell website should elicit the remark "Stupidity number one.". What a curious observation. I can only assume you are refering to the contents of said website, otherwise what could it be? Clearly the contents are stupid, but you are using that as a reference. Other readers can draw their own conclusions. :razz:
Regarding your second observation - I agree, the idea of signal lines is plain stupid.

[Dell Winders]

When Don offered to pay for your room, that was at MY request, with MY money. I will still pay for your room. I might even buy you dinner. I will not pay you $500.

- Carl

1 room, 2 night = $200+
Gas $80
tolls $15
1 dinner = $20 plus tip

TOTAL $315 plus food, taxes, etc easily amounts to $500 in expenses tax write-off. Sorry you can't afford it. Neither can I. Dell

[Carl-NC]

Sorry you can't afford it. Neither can I. Dell

Ah, but you could afford it until you found out I was going to be there. :lol:

[Carl-NC]

Hey, this is new !
So you begin to change your mind?

No, exact same thing I've been saying for years.


which are capable of providing hard evidence that "signal lines" don't exist.
http://www.rangertell.com/siggfgnalline.htm
Quoting the Ranger-Tell web site in an attempt to support signal lines, is like quoting the National Enquirer in an attempt to support Pink Unicorns.

- Carl

[Dell Winders]

Ah, but you could afford it until you found out I was going to be there. :lol:

No, It would have been a struggle for me, but I was trying to help Pegleg, because he asked.

Now that you are sponsoring the event there is no need for my help, and I sure don't intend to waste money I don't have to attend a show for your benefit.

If I'm able to attend, I will attend as a paying guest to meet with fellow Treasure Hunters. If I am unable to attend, I wont.

:| Enjoy your laugh. Dell

[Carl-NC]

Well, I sure hope to see you there.

I'm finishing up a circuit, just tonight, that allows a person, on his own, to determine whether he can really detect a signal line, or whether it is just a figment of his imagination. It's one of those "look, and see for yourself" experiments. I'll have it at the show.

- Carl

[Dell Winders]

What a perverted waste of talent. If you had spent 1/3 the time and money developing a method for Treasure Hunters to detect and discriminate deep buried targets that you continue to waste in efforts to attack my reputation, credibility, and name, the Treasure hunting community would be eternal grateful to you.

You owe a big public apology for your years of mis-deeds against others, but I know your ego would not permit that to happen for you, even when you are confronted with the proof of your own lies.

You have always been the same, using one untruth and pretense to cover up another.

Your latest gadget will provide no more proof that I am untruthful, a Con man, or Scammer, than your Challenge advertising gimmick.

However, repentance, might be a step in your favor.

:| Enjoy your laugh. Dell

[Carl-NC]

My circuit is not directed at you, personally. It's a way of objectively testing whether or not anyone can really detect the so-called signal line that so many people believe exists. And there are a lot of people who believe it exists, not just you.

Now, if this circuit demonstrates that people really can't detect the signal line using L-rods, then there are only 2 possibilities: the signal line doesn't exist, or L-rods are useless in detecting it. Either way, it's a step in the right direction, which no one should be afraid of taking. I'm sure not.

I hope you will at least come to the Expo, and not relegate yourself to hiding behind the computer and calling me names. People might think you have no integrity.

- Carl

[Dell Winders]

Why should it matter to you whether I attend your expo, or not? Dell

[Carl-NC]

I'd like to meet you, and chat.

I find it odd that after all these years of debates and disagreements, and your insistence that I'm a liar, fraud, scammer, dictator, and whatever else you've called me, that you now refuse to even meet me at a show you were otherwise eager to attend. I hate to ask this but... are you afraid of me? Or, are you afraid I'm right? Why in the world would you NOT want the opportunity to back up everything you've been saying all these years?

- Carl

[Clondike Clad]

Carl are you going to post your circuit so we can build it.:)

[Dell Winders]

I'd like to meet you, and chat.

I find it odd that after all these years of debates and disagreements, and your insistence that I'm a liar, fraud, scammer, dictator, and whatever else you've called me, that you now refuse to even meet me at a show you were otherwise eager to attend. I hate to ask this but... are you afraid of me? Or, are you afraid I'm right? Why in the world would you NOT want the opportunity to back up everything you've been saying all these years?

- Carl


The years of lies and inferences you have spread about me and the intentional harm you have caused is suffecient reason for my having no interest in ever meeting you. I have no intention of spending money on something I have no interest in doing.

Everything I have said that has been done is true. It's already been done, there is nothing to back up. Dell

[hung]

My circuit is not directed at you, personally. It's a way of objectively testing whether or not anyone can really detect the so-called signal line that so many people believe exists. And there are a lot of people who believe it exists, not just you.
- Carl

Oh sure. Your circuit will determine signal lines don't exist, of course. Then you might sell it to NASA, eh?
What's your next step? Building a EVP device to prove they don't capture other dimensional sounds? Sounds good, don't you think? (No pun intended)

Carl, I have to confess. Dell is right in many things he says about you.

[Carl-NC]

The purpose of this circuit is to objectively test for an ability that many people claim to have. That ability does not exist. It is merely a trick of the mind and these people are self-deceived.

Do you oppose objective experiments that demonstrate all of these signal line claims are misguided and wasted efforts? Or do you think that these claims should be blindly accepted? What is the best path toward designing products that really work?

Either Dell is right, or I am right. I will be at the Treasure Expo, with hard evidence to back up my claims. Dell will be at home behind the computer, calling me names. Everyone can decide for themselves who has credibility, and who does not.

- Carl

[Carl-NC]

Carl are you going to post your circuit so we can build it.:)

Absolutely. In fact, I will build several myself, and provide them as free loaners to anyone who wants to experiment with them.

I discovered last night that I need to order a couple of components, so it will be a few days before I wrap this up.

Meanwhile I've won off ebay some fairly strong radioactive rocks that I plan on using for the Compton scattering with my lowly Gamma detector. I'm going to connect up my O'scope to the output to see if there's a pulse differance between gold and any other metal. Trying to duplicate Armin Bickels machine if you will. If you have any suggestions along these lines I sure would like to hear it as I am not an engineer.


Not quite sure what you are doing... putting gold between the rock & the detector? How radioactive are the rocks?

- Carl

[Qiaozhi]

Oh sure. Your circuit will determine signal lines don't exist, of course. Then you might sell it to NASA, eh?
What's your next step? Building a EVP device to prove they don't capture other dimensional sounds? Sounds good, don't you think? (No pun intended)

Carl, I have to confess. Dell is right in many things he says about you.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
More of your nonsense Hung?
EVP (Electronic Voice Phenomenon) hahahah! Whatever next?
Does this have anything to do with treasure hunting? Absolutely not - unless you're thinking of doing some transdimensional detecting. Blimey, that would be "long range". :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Poor misguided Hung. :cry:

[hung]

The purpose of this circuit is to objectively test for an ability that many people claim to have. That ability does not exist. It is merely a trick of the mind and these people are self-deceived.

Do you oppose objective experiments that demonstrate all of these signal line claims are misguided and wasted efforts? Or do you think that these claims should be blindly accepted? What is the best path toward designing products that really work?

Either Dell is right, or I am right. I will be at the Treasure Expo, with hard evidence to back up my claims. Dell will be at home behind the computer, calling me names. Everyone can decide for themselves who has credibility, and who does not.

- Carl

I already warned you about prejudgements. Instead of performing research to know wheter one thing is true or not, you deliberately do things in hope to support your own thoughts and opinions. This is not scientific at all.
In the case above, your circuit or whatever, is built to disclaim signal lines. So in your own 'conclusions', your circuit wil do it correctly no matter what.

Sorry, this alone would bring no credibility at all to the game, although you may think the opposite.

[Qiaozhi]

I already warned you about prejudgements. Instead of performing research to know wheter one thing is true or not, you deliberately do things in hope to support your own thoughts and opinions. This is not scientific at all.
In the case above, your circuit or whatever, is built to disclaim signal lines. So in your own 'conclusions', your circuit wil do it correctly no matter what.

Sorry, this alone would bring no credibility at all to the game, although you may think the opposite.
For once in Hung's misguided existence, he has made a valid point. It is up to the believer in signal lines to prove that they exist. It is not the role of the non-believer to prove they don't exist. However, in this case, it is highly commendable of Carl to take the initiative, as the believers such as Hung and Dell are either unable, unwilling, or incapable of providing the required evidence. With the current situation, skeptics can quite rightly say that the signal lines do not exist, since there is no proof.
Now's your chance Hung to prove your mental superiority to the world. Build a device that conclusively proves that signal lines exist, and then post the details here for anyone to duplicate. That's what Carl is planning to do. Now it's your turn. Otherwise, put up or shutup. :razz:

[Clondike Clad]

I would like to test and post my finding I would need setup info so i can use and post my findings.
I WILL POST ONLY WHAT I FIND NO TRICKS ETC.
IF I CAN'T GET IT TO WORK I WILL POST ThAT AS WELL.
I will also use it at other locations and use the same set up.
Carl will you start a new post for testing your circuit and we who get the loners can post on that as well.
NOW ON WITH THE TESTING:)

[Morris_jo]

Hello everyone,

It`s a very hot subject to discuss here, i had missed alot of arguments regarding LRL .

I have a stupied idea about testing a Mineoro LRL, it would be helpfull to provide a real test field of the Great FG80 !

As you all know, Carl have right now his own Fg80, also i think Hung too, Why don`t they perform a live test that to be recorded Live Video as a real test field of LRL .!

It`s very simple, Digg 2 holes with different depth (30cm/60cm), use a gold objects like: rings ... what ever they like ? and let someone hold the cam .

There is many websites you would like to upload the test field for free as i think, like: www.youtube.com (http://www.youtube.com) .

May be this will put dots on letters ....


looking forward

[Carl-NC]

It`s very simple, Digg 2 holes with different depth (30cm/60cm), use a gold objects like: rings ... what ever they like ? and let someone hold the cam .


According to Hung, you would have to wait 10 years after burying the targets in order for the FG80 to detect them.

There's always an alibi...

- Carl

[Morris_jo]

Hello Carl,



10 Years

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[Morris_jo]

Hello Carl,



10 Years

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[J_Player]

We need to wait for 10 years for buried gold to be detected with the FG80?? WHAT!!

I thought Hung assured us the FG80 would detect gold in air. Doesn't FG stand for "Fresh Gold? Or is it a bogus fraudulent claim that the FG80 can detect fresh gold? Didn't Hung tell us that the FG78, FG78.1, and the FG80 can detect fresh gold? This is no alibi. Did Hung lie to us, or did he decide to change his story because the facts proved he was wrong?

from page: http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/showthread.php?t=11454
..Remember, for the fresh gold to be picked up by the new FG, that is, gold which is not buried, humidity has to be low, around 40 to 60%.

from page: http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/showthread.php?t=11454&page=2
The FG 78 with humidity of around 58 to 60% marked a gold sample in air from around 9 to 10 meters. The FG 80 which culminates all the technology Mineoro always pursue marked 100 meters!

from page: http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/showthread.php?t=11392&page=5
Just to make it clear. Every Mineoro detector finds gold. The only thing makes the FG different from models prior to 2006 is that not only it will find long time buried gold as the others but its power of detection is more advanced and now it finds fresh gold. eg. the gold ring you are using right now. Provided the weather conditions permit it.

from page: http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/showthread.php?t=11046&page=3
the new Mineoro sensation and believe me, it will blow every detector in existence right now for sure, is the soon to be released FG 78.1, it will pick up gold of every type, not only long time buried, but Mineoro's concept of ionic field detection got so advanced that this detector will pick up fresh gold as well.

rom page: http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/showthread.php?t=11046&page=4
Fact is that in tests the FG78.1 got the astonishing mark of detecting 1 mm square of gold at 1 meter! It's astounding. Damasio told me that the new model is not prone to weather electrical discharges, in fact they even can help detetion if not sequential.. Also now the user can research at night with no apparent problems.

Hmmmm... seems like now that Carl has an FG80 in his hands, Hung cannot explain how to get it to detect fresh gold anymore. Is he denying it will detect fresh gold now? What will happen when we test the FG80 on a gold target that is known to be buried for over 10 years? Will he change his story again and say the FG80 does not find gold buried over 10 years?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA .. we beleive your stories, Hung. Really!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Qiaozhi]

Hi J Player,

Yes - sometimes things can come back and bite you! :lol: :lol:
Good old Hung.

It's quotes like this that also make me laugh:

Think.
If the Mineoro unit was waterproof, why would I carry a Excalibur onboard?
I detected the site from a distance and used the excalibur to dive in the location the Mineoro marked.

"... I detected the site from a distance ..." and it was underwater. Apparently the gold ions are not affected by the "extremely" humid conditions surrounding an underwater treasure. :eek:

[Rudy]

Hi J Player,

Yes - sometimes things can come back and bite you! :lol: :lol:
Good old Hung.

It's quotes like this that also make me laugh:



"... I detected the site from a distance ..." and it was underwater. Apparently the gold ions are not affected by the "extremely" humid conditions surrounding an underwater treasure. :eek:

Good catch Qiaozhi. I hadn't noticed that before. Maybe it was dry water. :lol:

[J_Player]

"... I detected the site from a distance ..." and it was underwater. Apparently the gold ions are not affected by the "extremely" humid conditions surrounding an underwater treasure.

Good catch Qiaozhi. I hadn't noticed that before. Maybe it was dry water.

You must be careful when making such bold inferences. Are you aware that you are opening yourself to severe criticism from the high priest of Mineoro? Did you actually test the surrounding water with a digital hygrometer to determine the exact relative humidity where the treasure was located?

With such negligent lack of "scientific proof" that the submerged coins were not in a dry liquid, you run a real risk of being ex-communicated from the church of Mineoro! :oh:

[Jim]

Give 'em a inch...and they hung themselves :)

[Qiaozhi]

You must be careful when making such bold inferences. Are you aware that you are opening yourself to severe criticism from the high priest of Mineoro? Did you actually test the surrounding water with a digital hygrometer to determine the exact relative humidity where the treasure was located?

With such negligent lack of "scientific proof" that the submerged coins were not in a dry liquid, you run a real risk of being ex-communicated from the church of Mineoro! :oh:
Isn't sarcasm a wonderful thing? :D