Gravitator small but powerfull

[Great_Alex]

I use a Gravitator long range locator about 2 year .I test and use it on many archaeological sites and cash hunting , it's very sensitive to gold or silver but :
1. it has some fault signals from non metalic objects like ashes and voids
2. I can't estimate size of object because it has not any signal strenght meter or gravity indicator (the signal of a coin and jar full of coin is the same).
3. no way to estimate depth of target
4. I can't trust results by Gravitator unless i check it by a Lorenz PI detector (it has no way to checking results i must use another device)

5. some times it's very sensitive some times not but always you can test it on sample gold or silver target unlike the other LRLs that i had worked it's realy works no need to ionized gold and ancient target.

why sometimes the gravitator has fault signal and what make fault signal ?

[Max]

I use a Gravitator long range locator about 2 year .I test and use it on many archaeological sites and cash hunting , it's very sensitive to gold or silver but :
1. it has some fault signals from non metalic objects like ashes and voids
2. I can't estimate size of object because it has not any signal strenght meter or gravity indicator (the signal of a coin and jar full of coin is the same).
3. no way to estimate depth of target
4. I can't trust results by Gravitator unless i check it by a Lorenz PI detector (it has no way to checking results i must use another device)

5. some times it's very sensitive some times not but always you can test it on sample gold or silver target unlike the other LRLs that i had worked it's realy works no need to ionized gold and ancient target.

why sometimes the gravitator has fault signal and what make fault signal ?

Hi Great,

"
1. it has some fault signals from non metalic objects like ashes and voids "
so it's an anomaly revealer

"3. no way to estimate depth of target"
so say that sometimes it sounds and you don't know why...(?) :D

"4. I can't trust results by Gravitator unless i check it by a Lorenz PI detector (it has no way to checking results i must use another device)"
so you need a reliable md to be "sure" it's not a radio station or anything else

"
5. some times it's very sensitive some times not but always you can test it on sample gold or silver target unlike the other LRLs that i had worked it's realy works no need to ionized gold and ancient target."
seems good, but sampling how ? in air tests ? in ground ? please explain

some other questions:

If it detects gold, can it discriminate between metals or not? Sounds e.g. with lead or aluminium too ? in the same way ? and with iron ???

What about power lines ??? They interfere or not ?
What about weather conditions, humidity, temperature, ...???

Best regards,
Max

[Rudy]

Another satisfied Electroscope owner.:rolleyes:

[Great_Alex]

Hi Max

it detects ancient treasure very good and have a good pinpoint .it can discriminate between only gold & silver no other metals and doesn't detect other metals at all .it dosen't reaction on iron and other metals... it works well on air or in ground testing .but when you're on a treasure mound in real field test it detect treasure but it become unstable and detects anomalous.

please more explain about "so say that sometimes it sounds and you don't know why...(?) " it has not any VCO or voice indicator ?!.
it's not sensitive to humidity or temperature but when soil moisture is high increases fault signals

[Max]

Hi Max

it detects ancient treasure very good and have a good pinpoint .it can discriminate between only gold & silver no other metals and doesn't detect other metals at all .it dosen't reaction on iron and other metals... it works well on air or in ground testing .but when you're on a treasure mound in real field test it detect treasure but it become unstable and detects anomalous.

please more explain about "so say that sometimes it sounds and you don't know why...(?) " it has not any VCO or voice indicator ?!.
it's not sensitive to humidity or temperature but when soil moisture is high increases fault signals

Hi Great_Alex,
seems so good...well if it works this way...having other instruments to complete the job is not a problem I think.
I don't know how it works so don't speculate on false signals generation causes...I can say that if it's an "electrometer" type rf interference and also power lines and other stuff could produce falsing.

"it has not any VCO or voice indicator ?!" --> visual indication ?

"it's not sensitive to humidity or temperature but when soil moisture is high increases fault signals"
Well...I think it's good in this case ! I'd like to have one too...how much have you paid for this LRL ???

One can't have everything ! :D
If you find gold...silver...why worring about some minor problems ?

Best regards,
Max

[robert]

:angry:
Gravitator is bs !!!
Same as mineoro,lectra,ranger teller,electroscope,omnitron...etc...etc
Good luck with it!
:angry: :nono:

[Max]

:angry:
Gravitator is bs !!!
Same as mineoro,lectra,ranger teller,electroscope,omnitron...etc...etc
Good luck with it!
:angry: :nono:

Hi Robert,
hey, take it easy man...I don't really want to buy such a thing...
It was just a bit of SARCASM. :D

If I don't know how it works or supposed to...well...could be "black magic" or voodoo ....ehm...best to keep away...with a closed and full wallet in my pocket!

I don't belive all this stuff work for real...maybe something is just a kind of dowsing rod...and that's all...
Everything else is, from a scientific point of view...a "BALL SHEET".:)
Means something to launch in the trash can...

Best regards,
Max

[robert]

:D
Amen!

[Great_Alex]

Hi Max

don't judge before test it.
I don't tell you lie and you must know some times in hard trrain you can't use normal devices. somewhere maybe was Heavy reinforced foundation and huge steel construction.you can't use MD or GPR or ... .maybe it guide you to a better target.I use the LRL only for finding HOTSPOTS it's the first step.

Best regards

[Carl-NC]

it detects ancient treasure very good and have a good pinpoint

Have you actually recovered any ancient treasure using the Gravitator?

[Great_Alex]

Dear Carl

I found two jar of golden coins in September 2006 .But ididn't use all the works with gravitator.I used A Minelab Explorer XS for finding trash and small piece of metals in shallow ground because these trashes makes false signals on my LORENZ DEEPMAX PI detector . infact the real work did with the Lorenz.I followed the gravitator attraction of distance about 400 meters .

it covered with a high strenght concrete in depth of about 2 meters.but that was unsuccess because my friends going to kill me . and if my .357 MAG wasn't with me. I wrote this from hell.i escaped because they're 5 and i'm alone...
and after that i kissed away treasure hunting (but i'm a TH patient).

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[Great_Alex]

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[Carl-NC]

I found two jar of golden coins in September 2006 .

it covered with a high strenght concrete in depth of about 2 meters.but that was unsuccess because my friends going to kill me .


I don't understand... you say you found 2 jars of coins... did you dig them up and actually see them?

[Great_Alex]

Yeah I did it but It's not very strange that i see and dig the treasure up.because my land is very ancient and that's place of ancient wars.maybe you shocked cause i said 'I use gravitator '.my gravitator has more than 5 fault good attraction that day . in treasure hunting Luck(God) should help you unless you never win.

[michael]

Great Alex, it sounds you are like me from middle east , is it right?
If so, you're right, here treasures are so much fantastic that people in other regions don't believe.
if you like, start to have some e-mail or PM communications.

[Great_Alex]

Dear Michael
I respect to carl or other members opinion even they don't believe me.i try to do my job well,and nothing else matters.

This is my email : GreatAlexx@yahoo.com
I invite everyone to communicate.


Best Regards
Alex

[michael]

I respect to carl or other members opinion even they don't believe me.i try to do my job well,and nothing else matters.
And me too.

[robert]

:p :razz: :D :lol:

"...two jar of golden coins ..."
Say, arent you Michaels relative...? Jars all arround??? How come that none of us ever find any gold in jar? I know people who found many times gold...but never in jar?
Gravitatir is BULLSHEET same as any mineoro device, same as Dell Omnitron, same as Lectra,blah,blah....tellers....BULLSHEET! PERIOD!
No jars....just your imagination!
:nono:

[Great_Alex]

Hey Robert

So say you're a nugget hunter not a treasure hunter.

[michael]

Hey Robert
So say you're a nugget hunter not a treasure hunter.
That's it, one nugget or for high optipism is a coin shooter. I said you Alex some people oppose to this why? cose what they haven't experienced, is impossible from their standpoint, and start to accuse us as mineoro personnel or relative or..... other absurd things. what a rational and logical guys.:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[robert]

:lol: :lol: :lol:
Hi Michael!
Whats new with your mineoro? (wasted money)
Any founds with it? Any jars in a sand?
regards!:razz:

[michael]

Hi Robert, honestly nothing, maybe a wasted money, I've come back from our latest expedition.
as a matter of fact this unit gives signals and becomes giddy in special places where are somehow hot from treasure standpoint. of course it's not at all like they claimed, at all. and I can't tell it work and can't tell definitely doesn't work, but you can only find some hot places where worth to be concentrated with pinpointers nothing more, to find a point is impossible as it gives false signals frequently one of these places was checked by Rover C and it shows one big underground cavity like a hidden room. there had been one digging by other team who were explicitly searching for a treasure without any success. mineoro gave signal 2 meters beyond the dug place and we all checked there by FG80 and all got signal of course we didn't get from far distance, just from 3- 4 meters.
(why lie? it's a fact it's an erroneous thing this device doesn't worth more than 500$ and they should be ashamed for sellind such rip-off price.)

But this is one thing, existence of jars of gold coins other thing, why do you mix them up each other?:razz:
one instrument works or not doesn't concern to existence objects or change it.:lol: :lol: :lol:
meanwhile here we less often deal with sands. jars are not on surface in sands or beaches, man, ancient people were much more intelligent to put big objects in loose and insecure areas. in these places you just find single coins or maybe nuggets.:lol: :lol: :razz: :razz:
Robert, albeit you are a bitter sarcastic I respect your knowledge.;)

[hung]

to find a point is impossible as it gives false signals frequently

Sounds like over tuning. The FG does not give false signals. It beeps because it's in presence of an electrical field causeing ionization. If for some reason it's falsing, it's definetly overtuned causing higher threshold and naturally beeping. Try this:

Mark the spot where you say it's beeping. Now lower calibration and very slowly scan from left to right the spot from a confortable distance. If it does not beep, start to gently increase sens until you hear the beep over that spot. Confirm this by keeping scanning the area and making sure it's beeping only over the mentioned spot.
I can't see why you could not be able to pinpoint it. The only situation I fore see some difiiculty is when you detect coins for instance which are spread on the ground. But still they can be recovered one by one with some experience and patience.

We had 2 FGs in my expedition. Both beeped at the same spot. I took one to go inside the cave and could easily pinpoint the location on the wall pretty much doing what I told you above. I don't see why you cannot do the same.


one of these places was checked by Rover C and it shows one big underground cavity like a hidden room. there had been one digging by other team who were explicitly searching for a treasure without any success. mineoro gave signal 2 meters beyond the dug place and we all checked there by FG80 and all got signal of course we didn't get from far distance, just from 3- 4 meters.

Sounds like either a small object or a weak ionic/electrostatic field. How recent had this side been dug?

I'm sure if you had the GIG on, it would be easier to pinpoint, provided there's really something there as I think it does.
Despite of that there's no reason why you should not be able to do so with your present model anyway.

As I told you in the past, the more you use it on the field, the more experience you will get regarding calibration tricks, and emiting more precise diagnostics, as it seems only now you returned to the field due to weather conditions.

I wish I was there to help you. But it seems as difficult for me right now flying there, as it is to you going to Mineoro to remedy your doubts.

[michael]

Sounds like over tuning. The FG does not give false signals. It beeps because it's in presence of an electrical field causeing ionization. If for some reason it's falsing, it's definetly overtuned causing higher threshold and naturally beeping. Try this:
Mark the spot where you say it's beeping. Now lower calibration and very slowly scan from left to right the spot from a confortable distance. If it does not beep, start to gently increase sens until you hear the beep over that spot. Confirm this by keeping scanning the area and making sure it's beeping only over the mentioned spot.
I can't see why you could not be able to pinpoint it. The only situation I fore see some difiiculty is when you detect coins for instance which are spread on the ground. But still they can be recovered one by one with some experience and patience.
Hung, about over- tuning I should tell no, even one time didn't happen. we are not novice in this to be unfamiliar to devices adjustment or balancing. in all cases we turned back 10 or even 20 number from border SENS, but after searching area for a while it suddenly started crazy behaves and continuous beeps.
and after exiting the place kept beeping unless to lower SENS much more, after readjusting in out of the hot place couldn't get signal again it has gone, we did everything and exact what you mentioned here, the results were same signal disappeared or got a crazy behave. we experienced this in all areas and places. what is this except to defect?
you remember from my last search expedition, we got a typical signal, this time it had gone and we didn't notice it to be focused by our pinpointers. one time get such signal it's being repeated a few times and then disappears.
what a frustrating!!! Sounds like either a small object or a weak ionic/electrostatic field. How recent had this side been dug?.It was dug for more than 2 years ago and abandoned there unfinished and sometimes of searching expedition we passed there and saw there inattentively, only this time as we had patience to search by FG scanned there and encountered it.I'm sure if you had the GIG on, it would be easier to pinpoint, provided there's really something there as I think it does.
Despite of that there's no reason why you should not be able to do so with your present model anyway.Didn't you say the GIG is for fresh gold not old buried? there we were not searching for fresh object.
By this time FG80 was doing its' job as the best, now it needs other thing? other thing puts

[hung]

Hung, about over- tuning I should tell no, even one time didn't happen. we are not novice in this to be unfamiliar to devices adjustment or balancing. in all cases we turned back 10 or even 20 number from border SENS, but after searching area for a while it suddenly started crazy behaves and continuous beeps.

Michael I'm sure you are an experienced THunter but you have to bear in mind that with so many devices around, you would have to use the same one on coutless situations in order to master it.

Your description above reminds me of my early FG80 model. When I used to tune it to a 'no target' spot I had to be careful not to over turn threshold as when I pointed to a true target, it behaved they way you describe above.
Also I returned it to factory to have a slight mod in capacitor value which was causing this. I should point however that it was detecting fine, only with this little annoying behaviour. When the cap was replaced it got quieter, that's all. I'm not saying that this is the case regarding yours, specially after you told them you wanted your detector with the cap mod done. So it could be another thing. You will have to discover. And to do this you have to use it all the time and test it everytime so you are ready for a diagnostic.

I, myself when face similar issues, keep investigating till I get a verdict. And in the end, the verdict proves to be true.

and after exiting the place kept beeping unless to lower SENS much more, after readjusting in out of the hot place couldn't get signal again it has gone, we did everything and exact what you mentioned here, the results were same signal disappeared or got a crazy behave. we experienced this in all areas and places. what is this except to defect?

Well if you point it to a spot and it starts to beep 'crazily' simply mark the place and dig. But first try to confirm detection testing it several times and making sure it beeps. Then try to use center & deep to determine depth. If that's not possible, maybe because the object is small, remain in place until you are abolutely sure where the object is and use your Rover C to spot it.

you remember from my last search expedition, we got a typical signal, this time it had gone and we didn't notice it to be focused by our pinpointers. one time get such signal it's being repeated a few times and then disappears.

Recalibrate again and it should re-appear.
It was dug for more than 2 years ago and abandoned there unfinished and sometimes of searching expedition we passed there and saw there inattentively, only this time as we had patience to search by FG scanned there and encountered it.

If it's more than 2 years than the field is fully recovered. Unless the place gets transit by cars, motorbikes, engines, etc.
Again, if the FG beeps there in the same direction, in the same spot, etc. there's something there. Otherwise not. And you have to make sure about this.

Didn't you say the GIG is for fresh gold not old buried? there we were not searching for fresh object.


Yes but it should be a good pinpointer since detection happens at a lower range and should be more precise.
Another thing you could do is while searching having someone using the C&dDeep ahead of the detector, sweeping the ground for pinpoining. Once the detector beeps confirm sweeping it back and forth. Detector should beep accordingly. Although I still did not try this with the FG, only with the PDC, it should work.

Two tips to know your detector is working fine.

1 - Calibrate it as usual. Pass it close to a fluorescent light bulb, infra red source, power line panel, etc. It should emit a continuous beep while in front or at the length of source.

2 - Inside your car if well calibrated, the detector should beep when you press or release the brake light. An optimal setting would be beeping when pressing and releasing the pedal. If it does without 'going crazy' it's sensitive enough.

Hope this helps and you suceed at last.

PS. When you turn the switch on does the led lights up (red) or it remains unlit and lights only when beeps happen?

[Qiaozhi]

Hung, about over- tuning I should tell no, even one time didn't happen. we are not novice in this to be unfamiliar to devices adjustment or balancing. in all cases we turned back 10 or even 20 number from border SENS, but after searching area for a while it suddenly started crazy behaves and continuous beeps.
and after exiting the place kept beeping unless to lower SENS much more, after readjusting in out of the hot place couldn't get signal again it has gone, we did everything and exact what you mentioned here, the results were same signal disappeared or got a crazy behave. we experienced this in all areas and places. what is this except to defect?
you remember from my last search expedition, we got a typical signal, this time it had gone and we didn't notice it to be focused by our pinpointers. one time get such signal it's being repeated a few times and then disappears.
what a frustrating!!! It was dug for more than 2 years ago and abandoned there unfinished and sometimes of searching expedition we passed there and saw there inattentively, only this time as we had patience to search by FG scanned there and encountered it.Didn't you say the GIG is for fresh gold not old buried? there we were not searching for fresh object.
By this time FG80 was doing its' job as the best, now it needs other thing? other thing puts
Hi Michael,

It must be abundantly clear to you by now, after all this testing, that you are simply wasting your time with this trash. The FG80 randomly beeps for no apparent reason. The user is tricked into reading something from this erratic behaviour, even when the beeping doesn't make any sense. This is partly due to a desperate desire to justify the exhorbitant cost of this device. The only thing you really get for your money is a nicely polished wooden box and a lot of dashed hopes.
You should demand a refund...

[hung]

Hey Qiaozhi, please don't be a pest.

I'm trying to help Michael here and the last thing we need is someone sneaking in with a negative attitude saying nonsenses about wasted money.

Let's make something clear. You dont own any Mineoro detector, so you don't have the slightest clue or credit to make a coment about it. It's all 'guesses'... Michael owns his FG for several months now and despite of that he did not find any treasure yet. And you say you had a FG in your hands for short a time maybe an afternoon? Yet, dares to say it does not work?
What authority do you have to state such untruth?
Just because Michael still did not find what he intends does not necessarily means he won't. If and when he happens to find a treasure with his FG will it still be a 'waste of money'?

Take this guy's case for instance:
http://www.mineoro.com.br/new/detectoresParaOuro/crispin.php

http://www.mineoro.com/goldDetectors/findingCrespin.php

So Michael 'wasted' money and this guy did not?

I talked to him a couple days ago to exchange experiences. He is a field researcher like I, Dell, Michael and others here. Not an 'armchair' T.hunter like you. He told me he's proud of his detectors and he's very fond of the FG80 his latest acquisition, which enabled him to discover gold veins and nuggets in Brazil's central region. His other findings are listed in that link.

You and other skeptics here must understand that treasure is not everywhere and quite possibly is somewhere else other than where it is tought. If there ain't any treasure the device simply won't detect. Does it make it a scam? Gimme a break...
We al know what you and others think about LRLs. Note that I said 'THINK' because you are not a user.

I have long quit joining empty discussions as yours above simply because I got fed up and realized it would lead to nowhere. So please, don't interfere on the attempt of us owners to help each other. I could have privately emailed Michael, but I decided to answer him here so other users can possibly benefit.

Thanks.

[Carl-NC]

You dont own any Mineoro detector, so you don't have the slightest clue or credit to make a coment about it.

I own one... wanna hear my comments about it?

- Carl

[hung]

I own one... wanna hear my comments about it?

- Carl

Provided that you list your records of expeditions, field research, ground covered, regions researched, method of research, dates, and results I would like to hear yes.

But I doubt you would meet even a few requirements above due to your regular job which has nothing to do with TH and your notorious reputation spread all over forums like this one.

I'm aware that many ionic detector users still have not found anything so what?
Does this mean the detector is a scam???!!
You already know my thoughts.
The link I provided covers one of the many users I know who were sucessful.
In the end it's all a matter of time.

[Carl-NC]

Provided that you list your records of expeditions, field research, ground covered, regions researched, method of research, dates, and results I would like to hear yes.

But I doubt you would meet even a few requirements above due to your regular job which has nothing to do with TH and your notorious reputation spread all over forums like this one.


I see... sounds like only full-time professional treasure hunters are qualified.

So tell me, Hung... is there any kind of test, at all, that can be done with the FG80, that will demonstrably and convincingly show it will detect gold?

If I test it with 10 ounces of fresh gold, it does nothing. If I test it with 3-1/2 year buried gold, it does nothing. Yet it seems to be quite good at picking up multipath RF.

Please suggest a test that will convince me this thing is not a scam.

- Carl

[hung]

First of all, I don't want to be labeled as a Mineoro advertiser which I'm not. Again I have no intention of promoting Mineoro. Never did. However I know the detectors work as I had plenty of evidence already. So I can only refute it's a scam which I know it's not. This is what I've been doing here in this forum in the past. Trying to advocate for a cause not for a company.
So I think it's clear and with that said let's proceed bellow.



So tell me, Hung... is there any kind of test, at all, that can be done with the FG80, that will demonstrably and convincingly show it will detect gold?

'Convincingly' is a word that can have many meanings in your case since as I said, you are a notorious 'anti-LRL' proponent.

First you would have to check if your device is working normally. I can think of 2 prelimary check ups to determine this. One is the fluorescent lamp test and the other is the car break light test. Both previously described by me above.
If it's ok, then next step would be going in the field. This is the hard part for you as you would to know before hand a location where there's long time buried gold. It could be natural or placed by man.
Dell Winders when testing the GDP model confirmed that it beeped in targets he already had determined with his devices. In your case you would have to figure out a way of performing this procedure. Maybe a gold location you already know.
As for fresh gold, see next.

st it with 10 ounces of fresh gold, it does nothing. If I test it with 3-1/2 year buried gold, it does nothing. Yet it seems to be quite good at picking up multipath RF.

After a relative long time dealing with the FG80, my opinion is that fresh gold detection is not a rule it's an exception. This is due to special conditions to be met for this to happen.
The FG I was using is presently at factory to have the GIG added. But this time they want me to go there for some days of instructions on how to use it.
One of my team members told me he spent some days there in december for full instructions and is very pleased the way it's detecting fresh gold now. He said it was quite of an evolution.
So under certain circunstances you might detect your gold bar with your present model, but you are the only one who will know when this happens.

Three year and a half for a buried gold produces virtually no ionic field. If it does, it's too weak. Despite of that if you set it on edge of calibration you will hear beeps.
If you want to simulate a natural ionic condition, you can bury your gold bar for instance along with a spoon of salt and cow****. Wait for about 3 months and it will produce a detectable ionic field. Not so strong as a natural one, but detectable. Note that I have never done this. I was just told by Mineoro this would work.

Regarding RF, yes, it's prone to this interference. But only if you are close to the source. If there's a big mass of long time buried gold under a RF tower for instance, the field will be detected from a large distance which is not the RF emanation. Test this with a regular RF tower and you will see it will stop beeping at it as distance increases.

[Great_Alex]

If I test it with 10 ounces of fresh gold, it does nothing. If I test it with 3-1/2 year buried gold, it does nothing. Yet it seems to be quite good at picking up multipath RF.

Do you ever test Gravitator ?
I Promise you it work with fresh gold or silver among tons of iron or other metal.you can test it and see how it make attraction?

About the Mineoro : All the detectors have some error signal even Em Metal detectors or GPRs or ....I don't believe that every beep means a new treasure even when we well calibrated the device.but i know it can help a treasure hunter among the mountains and hundreds hectares of land to find some hot place.if we know where's the treasure why we search for it ?

do you believe that LRLs have no attraction ?( no matter to gold or void or water ...)
is it or not ?

[Qiaozhi]

I'm trying to help Michael here and the last thing we need is someone sneaking in with a negative attitude saying nonsenses about wasted money.
In fact, we are both doing the same thing. I was simply trying help Michael recover his wasted money by suggesting he request a refund.

...so you don't have the slightest clue or credit to make a coment about it. It's all 'guesses'...
You are incorrect. There is no "guessing" here. It's called "science", although it appears you unaware of it's existence. :rolleyes:
Gold does not emit ions, even if you bury it for a million years. The theory behind the FG80 is pseudoscientific nonesense.

Michael owns his FG for several months now and despite of that he did not find any treasure yet.
Why are we not surprised. Poor Michael - so much wasted time and money.:cry:

He is a field researcher like I, Dell, Michael and others here. Not an 'armchair' T.hunter like you.
Strange - I though mental map dowsing (as promoted by Dell) was an ideal armchair activity. :lol:

We al know what you and others think about LRLs. Note that I said 'THINK' because you are not a user.
Hmmm... let me think about that... why would I want to be a user of a non-working device based on psuedoscientific technobabble? :???:
No - sorry. Can't think of a reason.

I'm aware that many ionic detector users still have not found anything so what?
Does this mean the detector is a scam???!!
Yes - it's a scam.

Again I have no intention of promoting Mineoro.
????? In reality you do nothing but promote Mineoro. That is why you've been accused by others as being a Mineoro employee. You certainly come across as having a vested interest.

Dell Winders when testing the GDP model confirmed that it beeped in targets he already had determined with his devices.
That's not a valid test. :frown:
None of the targets were recovered. You cannot use one non-working device to justify the results of another non-working device.

[Rudy]

What a thought provoking reversal in the burden of proof.

Of course it works as advertised. Hung was kind enough to post
links to two Mineoro testimonial pages. That proves that it does
work. Mineoro wouldn't make something like that up. It would be
a scam if it did.

Therefore, no valid scientific explanation of how it works is needed.
All it takes is a positive attitude and as Hung said .... a little horse****.

[Great_Alex]

I found new gravitator not for gold , for finding human.
maybe it's good for Mummy detecting .

http://www.dklabs.com/products.html

[Qiaozhi]

I found new gravitator not for gold , for finding human.
maybe it's good for Mummy detecting .

http://www.dklabs.com/products.html
You need to read this ->
http://skepdic.com/refuge/dkl.html

[Max]

Hi,
even if it find mummies... (and I seriously dubt it can do that) ...
then this is the "treasure" ? :lol:

A mummy ? Don't understand. :shocked:

If you are not a TH it's ok... I mean if you are an archeologist to find mummies... you could be interested in that.

But, talking of money, if the mummy is of some poor man of the ancient times... and then you don't find any gold or anything "good" with it... what's the purpose of searching for mummies ? :lol:

You can find many e.g. in some governative offices I think... politicians and people flying around power places tend naturally to mummificate themself. :rolleyes:

Oh yes... you can sell also a mummy in some places... I'm sure that's so... in the ancient time of archeology (e.g. in Egypt ) people sold mummies to scientists and museums, or private collectors, no news... and still today think is possible in some exotic places but man... a mummy of e.g. a poor person is not really appealing to any museum I think, and the same for a collector.

Or maybe you wanna sell some to chinese -traditional-medical shops... e.g. of hong kong ??? Cause they actually still use/sell products based on mummies tissues! :lol:

How to sell a mummy ??? On ebay ???... there is people that could buy even this I think ! :cool:

What a business ! I prefer the old LRLs that find nothing to one that just find dead people ! :shocked:

Best regards,
Max

[Great_Alex]

Dear Max

Maybe you're right. I don't know it works or not , maybe that was just an advertisement !:angry:

About Mummy , I know, Mummy of poor and unknown person doesn't cost ; all the Mummies from famous person have a Plate usually of pure gold that identify mummy and a mummy without identification is nothing.

I'm not a mummy seeker but in Egypt and somewhere in middle east people searching for mummies, it's just an idea for those that searching for that I prefer searching for gold only gold .:cool:

And about LRL:
I use of some kind very powerful TDEM device that can locate treasures from distance many farther that I need . it's range is 10 meter on middle size and over 50 meters on big size treasure:rolleyes:. but no ion detector or such ….:lol:
But between LRL with no doubt gravitator works but not perfect , better test it .;)


Best regards
Alex

[Qiaozhi]

But between LRL with no doubt gravitator works but not perfect , better test it .;)




Best regards


Alex

You obviously didn't bother reading this then? :frown:
You need to read this ->
http://skepdic.com/refuge/dkl.html

[J_Player]

I read the test protocol shown in Qiaozh's links and I see it is a double blind test made by Sandia Laboratories to see if this device could be useful to identify human intruders: http://www.sandia.gov/LabNews/LN04-24-98/detector_story.html

The test Sandia Labs conducted looks suspiciously similar to Carl's $25,000 LRL test. The same test that Dell and hung claim is not a good test, and it only a promotional device. Does this mean Sandia Labs is in the business of promoting themselves? Does this mean double blind testing should not be trusted by anyone and we should rely on what the manufacturers and their promoters say?

Is the information the manufacture gives us better than the information we learn from the results of a double blind test?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Great_Alex]

You obviously didn't bother reading this then? :frown:

It's just a test about DKL . it's not depend on Gravitator .
and for me the gravitator successfully pass the tests , it can detect real old buried treasures , maybe not so far as factory claim and even have some faults , i found it's a useful device but working with that need an expert oprator . :cool:
it's better for you that have some real experience .:lol:

[J_Player]

i found it's a useful device but working with that need an expert oprator . It's better for you that have some real experienceSo you say the expert operator who came from the factory to make the real experience test with real people watching is no good? You say the gravitator is not the same instrument as the DKL instrument? You say the real blind test with real hidden people and real people watching at the Sandia Laboratories is no good?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Great_Alex]

Dear JP

i don't say that double blind test is not good , you said it don't work cause it faild on test when people watching that , you're right but when you can absoloutly deny working of something you most prove that it doesn't work at all , at anytime and anywhere , but if it works only for one time you can't say that it doesn't work . i don't have any experience on DKL but the gravitator passed the test for me , maybe it doesn't work good some times that i don't know why but some times it's very sensetive to even fresh gold targets and for me happend that i found treasures by gravitator maybe it doesn't happen for someone else ,so i can't telling you it doesn't work at all even when faild on double blind test .
it's my opinion and i don't claim that i'm right . :rolleyes:

best regards
Alex

[Earthworm Jim]

Gravitator is s.h.i.t. Same as Electroscopes....Nothing!

[Esteban]

Hi Great Alex: Do you think Gravitator is in the category of the LRL rods?

[J_Player]

you said it don't work cause it faild on test when people watching thatHi Great Alex,

I did not say that. I only asked you if you think this is what it means. I do not know if it works or not. And I cannot know until I see it making attempts to work. But I ask you because you have experience with LRLs and maybe can tell the answers.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Great_Alex]

Hi

Do you think Gravitator is in the category of the LRL rods?
Yes , it's like other electroscopes LRL rod , not like FG .
i don't belive most of LRL manufactor claims .
the most major question is : ' does the attraction of LRL rod realy exist or it causes by unbalancing ?

1. skeptics say unbalancing of LRL that causes by imagination pretend LRL to work not a real attraction exist .

i know the attracion of LRL is not form imagination , but may have faults on requested target . it means when using of a gold sample the LRL rod find a hollow space into ground or maybe detect ash , ancient pottery ,oot of an old tree ... !

i myself found many iron rusty junks (even a hunting knife) and graves in the ground when searching for gold by an old LRL ( very simple it was full of mercury ) , when i put the gold sample in the LRL chamber and i respect finding gold not such rubbish ?!

but i didn't see a LRL that when calibrated for gold then detects only gold and has no fault attraction even gravitator sometimes confuse and detects undesirable targets.

best ragards
Alex

[roberts]

I had chance to test Gravitator. No way to work at all!
Actually it is Electroscope but modified - new design,looking pro...
Nothing! Not working - bogus...Wasted money!
Maybe i had wrong model on testing?

[J_Player]

RObert is back! Boom shaka laka!:rolleyes:
But this time:
No name-calling.
No taunting.
No badgering.
No cussing.
No rude or derogatory pics.
DEAL IS DEAL! .

[roberts]

:) Yup!
I havent forgot those beauties!
Most beautifull photo, ever posted on this forum!
Refreshing,refreshing!
Best regards!
:)

[Max]

:) Yup!
I havent forgot those beauties!
Most beautifull photo, ever posted on this forum!
Refreshing,refreshing!
Best regards!
:)

Hi,
"Most beautifull photo, ever posted on this forum!"
Totally agree! ;)

We see lot of bad electronics... lot of bad brass rods... lot of bad soldering...
etc etc

A beautiful picture is very appreciated ! :)

Kind regards,
Max

[J_Player]

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[Esteban]

J_Player:

Very nice! Thanks! You are a great collector! :D

Regards

Esteban

[Esteban]

lot of bad soldering...
etc etc

Nice to see how is the soldering side of your TGS.

Regards

Esteban

[Max]

lot of bad soldering...
etc etc

Nice to see how is the soldering side of your TGS.

Regards

Esteban

It's not perfect... but for sure better than your old zahori soldering side.
:D

[Esteban]

It's not perfect... but for sure better than your old zahori soldering side.
:D

OK, but I want to see. Don't scare me, you are an expert.

[Max]

It's not perfect... but for sure better than your old zahori soldering side.
:D

OK, but I want to see. Don't scare me, you are an expert.

Hi,
Ok. Look. Do you like it ? :lol:

Not perfect but no flux my friend...as you can see. :rolleyes:

Kind regards,
Max

[Nihil Roma Maius]

Max, thanks, nice work! Do you use solder free of lead, regarding new European normative?

Regards

Nihil Roma Maius

[Esteban]

Max, yes, good PCB job. Thanks for to show us!

Regards

Esteban

[Max]

Max, thanks, nice work! Do you use solder free of lead, regarding new European normative?

Regards

Nihil Roma Maius

Hi,
in this project of TGS and also BandidoII-clone not. Solder used is very common, good quality cored solder wire, diameter 0.5mm. Composition is Sn/Pb = 60/40. Flux is not organic and was removed after all soldering work.

I have a Rohs compliant equippment but don't use for small things like these metal detectors projects, also there are costs for running Rohs compliant machinery and materials that aren't justified in case of single pieces prototype like this.

Also you need components all Rohs compliant to match the restrictive legislation but this is required only for commercial products you put on the market.

Best regards,
Max

[Nihil Roma Maius]

Thanks. Yes, with simple equipment you can do the job.

Regards

Nihil Roma Maius

[roberts]

J Player, since Esteban is very busy i woild like to replace him there...on the photo!

[Max]

J Player, since Esteban is very busy i woild like to replace him there...on the photo!

Miracles of LRL ... that's why I like them ! :lol:

[hung]

Ugly girls.
Awful bikinis (argh!)
Thank God I live in Brazil and married a brazilian.:D
Go on Esteban, never mind and keep busy in LRLs.:cool:

[roberts]

Ugly girls.
Awful bikinis (argh!)
Thank God I live in Brazil and married a brazilian.:D
Go on Esteban, never mind and keep busy in LRLs.:cool:


What??? "Ugly..."!?:nono:
I think those are beauties! I've seen even more beautifull, but those are not ugly for sure!!
This is good example to show differences among people here.Also differences of ways those people are looking on other things in life too...:cool:
No further explanations needed....:lol:

Regards!

[Max]

What??? "Ugly..."!?:nono:
I think those are beauties! I've seen even more beautifull, but those are not ugly for sure!!
This is good example to show differences among people here.Also differences of ways those people are looking on other things in life too...:cool:
No further explanations needed....:lol:

Regards!

Hi,
poor Hung... too radiations and ion clouds disturbed his thoughts ! :lol:

Kind of LRL-shock.

I suggest him use red-wine and lot of fresh vegetables. :rolleyes:

Best regards,
Max