Mineoro210-part2-sensor

[Alexismex]

Hello Forum ,at last I have to day some time to go inside the infamous sensor of the Mineoro and take some pictures for you.
First , it is difficult to tell guys all the things I discover in my mind when i proceed the inside process because it is the"heart"of the detector,,, feel the people who make it " BELIEVE 1000000% of the system (it is not the same with many lvr sell in the Us which are junk of ****.........junk,like the 70'S radio circuit...etc...)
because that thing; the SENSOR it is fabricated with some precision (a little but a little) and why I do not understand ??? if they have the big factory i see in the airphoto in the web WHY??? they did not make more profesional the sensor with ceramic tube (not the horendus PVC plumbing) more precision in the solder process (big gauge cable ( sometime they have a Ohms Law different and they think amperes are flowing in the cable!!!!!)
But what I say before YES they believe "like ROCK"(it is my feeling) that with this type of sensor they are catching the ionic particles!!!flowing from gold....
To morrow I will post a paper with the dimensions and material (brass,PVC etc...),, and more comments ....but for today I can not say no more........because of astounding discovery,,,
have nice days
Alexis

[Alexismex]

more photos

[Carl-NC]

I still don't see any way for ions to get inside this thing.

And this can't be duplicated? I don't see why not...

[Geo]

Congratulations Alexismex:) . VERY GOOD work:) . Now someone (maybe Carl) must tell us how it work:confused: . What are these 3 wires ??:(
Best Regards

[Geo]

I still don't see any way for ions to get inside this thing.

And this can't be duplicated? I don't see why not...

I am sure Hung Knows. He knows everything about Mineoro.

[michael]

Hi Alexismex, thank you for your efforts.
1- What's that yellow sheet? gold?
2- Can you definitely tell inside the chamber was not vacuum and in return filled with an inert gas(without any color or odor)?

[okantex]

hi
did you look on pvc pipe.
what is written there
it lools like C6
can it be a kind of hand made cappasitance(cappasitor)

[Jim]

Thanks for sharing :)

[hung]

Now let's hear the 'wild guesess' he,he,he,...

[Esteban]

Also I!!!!

[Jonas]

Thanks Alexismex , very good info :)

[Seden]

Alex,

I too congratulate you on your hard work,job well done. Very interesting how the ion probe terminates into a point and I would suspect that it wasn't touching the disk behind it,am I right Alex? And like the group the reason for the 3 connections is baffeling unless the red wire that goes to the first disk and the wire the the back disk both feed into a diffamp with lots of gain. And what's the microcontroller computing, wouldn't be interesting to read the code out of it?

Keep up the good work Alex and you've taken the wrappings off the mystery box.

Randy Seden

[Qiaozhi]

Now someone (maybe Carl) must tell us how it work:confused: .
You are making the big assumption that it does work. :eek:

I still don't see any way for ions to get inside this thing.

And this can't be duplicated? I don't see why not...
OK - here's a suggestion for Alexismex. Why not make a duplicate and replace the original sensor with the copy, and then see if there's any difference in the operation of the Mineoro. It would probably also be a good idea to put the original sensor back together, and recheck if that also works. In that case copying would not be a problem.

Of course, you might also say "why bother"? :D

[sony]

:)
Bravo Alexismex!

Golden or not...if you make another one from CU or AL or brass it will do the same job as original.....same results....It so easy to try it ...

At first glance,it looks very simple....sort of coupled,diferential antena..
"wild guess" or not it has nothing to do with any kind of ions..
It's role is to fed two diferential inputs of that funny wide band receiver..later it will make some noise anyway,since that receiver has no other role but to receive any hum,interferences etc...
BIG DEAL Hung! You are acting like you know something more...while the real truth is that you do not know anythyng interesting for us here...
The job is done, now everybody can see what is famous "ionic chamber"...
Let's put this mineoro subject aside.....
It is not interesting any more...
Let's do something more real and interesting in further....
How about REAL metal detectors?

[Carl-NC]

OK - here's a suggestion for Alexismex. Why not make a duplicate and replace the original sensor with the copy, and then see if there's any difference in the operation of the Mineoro.

Or, see if the Mineoro operates the same without the sensor at all.

When I had the PDC-205, I was unable to open the sensor, but in testing the unit the sensor only operated as a proximity device. ANY conductor in proximity (1-2 cm) would cause it to beep. Obviously, it can't be an ion chamber, or any kind of ion detector.

- Carl

[gold24h]

I beleive what you have there is a high voltage spark gap.It looks like maybee a high voltage arc goes between the middle conducter and the sharp pointed front peice.If either one of the conducters are gold plated then the arc would produce gold ions and be picted up by the back or third conducter. if there was something else in nature producing similer ions,even in small amounts it would be added to the ions allready being produced and could be detected,this is all just a thought but the inside of the sensor sure looks like a device to produce a high voltage arc.

[Carl-NC]

I beleive what you have there is a high voltage spark gap.It looks like maybee a high voltage arc goes between the middle conducter and the sharp pointed front peice.

I checked for this in the PDC-205. There was no high-voltage oscillator.

If either one of the conducters are gold plated then the arc would produce gold ions and be picted up by the back or third conducter. if there was something else in nature producing similer ions,even in small amounts it would be added to the ions allready being produced and could be detected...

Only if the ions can get in. It's a sealed plastic chamber.

A high-voltage arc will also cause pitting, which does not appear to be the case in the photos.

- Carl

[Guard]

maybe that champer speed the ions !!!
+,colector,-

[Alexismex]

Hello Forum,
the small yellow sheet which go around the black resin it is 24gold sheet Nº 36 weight 2,3grms (dimension:25X57millimeters)...
the non-sense it is the connection between 2 aa battery with NOCONNECTION in serie.the electrical flow are between the plastic gap of the battery holder(they take away the metal link) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The red cable go to the positif and the black cable to the negative...
In the chamber no innert gaz and no vaccum!!!!!!!!!!, the whole thing it is to bad construction to have some precision ...no precision at all (it is normal with PVC tube)
The small yellow disc it is also gold 24 it is glue to a small disc of type of bakelite (you see in the photo )in the center it is solder a tooooo big cable for flowing some big amperes of ions..
This small disc stay away 1 to 2 mm from the point of brass thank to two O rings of black rubber... The big also white cable go to the negative of the many batteries like the GND path !!!!the red cable go to the base of a transistor(BC549) thru a condensator of 1000pf !!!!!!!!!
YES the Mr.DAMASION can tell with some big affirmation ;that when you buy a Mineoro detector you have automatic the right to have some "vibrations" of Gold because inside the sensor it exist (a $US 40 sheet of 24 gold sheet)THAT is the secret...
HHHHe he guys I have the right to go slowly in the tracing of the board and schematic because of all the non sense of all the things , it is difficult because of the non sense , your himself electronic knowledge must stay away from logic ...I hope you can understand me thinking, OK
Have nice dream
Alex

[hung]

The ionic chamber inspection is not new. Mineorogreece had already mentioned the gold 'sheet' and all of the above in his posts last year. He was one of the first ones to inspect the chamber. You are one more curious to open it to try to figure it out. And one more to fail.

It's hilarious reading your conclusions above. As I said this woud be really amusing, reading the 'wild guesses'.

Mr. Damasio in past long conversations told me a lot of things about the Mineoro concept. Although he never told me exactly why it can't be cloned, he mentioned to me things that now I understand and corroborate...It's impossible to clone it without essential information.

But thanks for posting the pictures, so I will never have to dismantle my detector to see it.

[Qiaozhi]

The ionic chamber inspection is not new. Mineorogreece had already mentioned the gold 'sheet' and all of the above in his posts last year. He was one of the first ones to inspect the chamber. You are one more curious to open it to try to figure it out. And one more to fail.

Fail ????? :confused:

It's hilarious reading your conclusions above. As I said this woud be really amusing, reading the 'wild guesses'.
Yes - I also found it very amusing. :D :D :D :D :D

Mr. Damasio in past long conversations told me a lot of things about the Mineoro concept. Although he never told me exactly why it can't be cloned, he mentioned to me things that now I understand and corroborate...It's impossible to clone it without essential information.
Of course this can be cloned, but who would want to? This is clearly nonsense technology.

But thanks for posting the pictures, so I will never have to dismantle my detector to see it.
I agree. Thanks Alexismex. :)
Now we all know the sad truth. :eek:

[Carl-NC]

Yes, based on this dissection it's glaringly obvious that the PDC-210 cannot possibly operate on any method of ion detection.

This possibly qualifies Alexismex for the Mineoro $50,000 prize, except that the terms of the challenge were never clarified, and when the terms are finally clarified, I suspect that no amount of proof will be sufficient to win.

- Carl

[ivconic]

:) :p :rolleyes:

So, at the end showed that mineoro customers have nothing to complain about! They already got some gold for their money....isn't that a fact?!??:p


Carl is "pushing" ions theory to its limits...Give break Carl!
If some people feel easy to beleive in "ions" than let them enjoy!

Fact is that "ionic chamber" is related to gold somehow....:rolleyes:

see ya next month!:D

[Esteban]

The principle is correct. I make some detectors under the principle.

[Geo]

The principle is correct. I make some detectors under the principle.
Hi Esteban. What you mean? Who is the principle of this ionic detector? Do you know how the ionic champer works?:confused:
Regards

[hung]

http://www.mineoro.com/treasure/explanations.htm#a10

Although Esteban is an expert in Mineoro detectors he lacks essential information which Mineoro off course does not provide.

The ionic chamber, altough important, is not the essential factor which makes the detectors work. There's much more than that. The pictures above are nice and provide an educational insight regarding the chamber, although the one shown above lacks some components found in the FG series such as infra red sensor and some more things.

[Esteban]

From Mineoro's page:

The ionic/electrostatic chamber consists of the external "antenna" in the form of a black tube, plus an elliptical sensor inserted in the plate of the boardcircuit. This sensor in elliptical shape represents an ionic/electrostatic field reflector, similar to the reflectors used in the antique tv aerials, which had deflectors and reflectors to better concentrate the signal received from VHF. The idea of that ionic/electrostatic reflector was originated in those reflectors. This sensor reflects and concentrates like a lens part of the energy that escapes and it is not detected by the "antenna" inside the black tube. This ionic/electrostatic energy is reutilized by the "antenna" increasing the detection capacity of the detector and turning the detection more directional As the detection through electrostatics has the property of polarizing the substrate, an electrical time constant was placed for this depolarization, keeping the sensor neutral to reflect the "ionic/electrostatic" fields. It is good to clarify that electrostatics reflects, concentrates, disperses, and is carried by metals, conductive wires, etc. The same as dynamic electricity. When the Directional Detector is moved into a horizontal or vertical position an static electricity is produced, electrostatics, according to Loeb, necessary in the ionic chamber for the use of positive "ions" which would meet the negative "ions" producing the phenomenom of Long Range Directional Detection with Substance Classifier, as it was explained before. The existent electronic circuits are just amplifiers of the "nano" signal supplied at the moment of the detection. The bigger sensor that surrounds the perimeter of the boardcircuit, is a sensor which reinforces the creation of the electrostatic field when moving the detector to locate any target.

[Qiaozhi]

From Mineoro's page:

The ionic/electrostatic chamber consists of the external "antenna" in the form of a black tube, plus an elliptical sensor inserted in the plate of the boardcircuit. This sensor in elliptical shape represents an ionic/electrostatic field reflector, similar to the reflectors used in the antique tv aerials, which had deflectors and reflectors to better concentrate the signal received from VHF. The idea of that ionic/electrostatic reflector was originated in those reflectors. This sensor reflects and concentrates like a lens part of the energy that escapes and it is not detected by the "antenna" inside the black tube. This ionic/electrostatic energy is reutilized by the "antenna" increasing the detection capacity of the detector and turning the detection more directional As the detection through electrostatics has the property of polarizing the substrate, an electrical time constant was placed for this depolarization, keeping the sensor neutral to reflect the "ionic/electrostatic" fields. It is good to clarify that electrostatics reflects, concentrates, disperses, and is carried by metals, conductive wires, etc. The same as dynamic electricity. When the Directional Detector is moved into a horizontal or vertical position an static electricity is produced, electrostatics, according to Loeb, necessary in the ionic chamber for the use of positive "ions" which would meet the negative "ions" producing the phenomenom of Long Range Directional Detection with Substance Classifier, as it was explained before. The existent electronic circuits are just amplifiers of the "nano" signal supplied at the moment of the detection. The bigger sensor that surrounds the perimeter of the boardcircuit, is a sensor which reinforces the creation of the electrostatic field when moving the detector to locate any target.
Gobbledy gook pseudoscientific techno-babble. :(

[Carl-NC]

Gobbledy gook pseudoscientific techno-babble. :(

I agree. Whoever wrote this clearly doesn't understand electrostatics in the least. It appears to be just made-up.

When I get some time I'll start a thread that takes all the Mineoro "explanations" and shows what utter nonsense they are.

- Carl

[hung]

Maybe I should use a spyglass, microscope or even a telescope then?
Because I just can't see what you refer as 'nonsense'.
Honestly.

[robert]

:confused:

Esteban: "..similar to the reflectors used in the antique tv aerials, which had deflectors
and reflectors to better concentrate the signal received from VHF..."
Esteban this is the case when radio/tv signals are involved.....What kind of relation do
you see when we talk about ions here???

Esteban: "..This sensor reflects and concentrates like a lens part of the energy that escapes
and it is not detected by the "antenna" inside the black tube...."

What "energy" ??? Ions or energy ??? "Antenna" .... now it is antenna or sort of antenna???
It was IONIC CHAMBER before?!?
Ionic chamber concept is already well known,tested and used....long time ago. That "mainstream"
concept is proven and has nothing simillar with that funny "black tube" produced by mineoro.
Sorry Esteban, but these are facts....Also i do know that you just posted somebody's else claims
not yours, so i do not want to argue with you but to let you know that those are nonsences....

and more...:
"...It is good to clarify that electrostatics reflects, concentrates, disperses,
and is carried by metals, conductive wires, etc. The same as dynamic electricity. When the
Directional Detector is moved into a horizontal or vertical position an static electricity is
produced, electrostatics, according to Loeb, necessary in the ionic chamber for the use of
positive "ions" which would meet the negative "ions" producing the phenomenom of Long Range
Directional Detection with Substance Classifier, as it was explained before. The existent
electronic circuits are just amplifiers of the "nano" signal supplied at the moment of the
detection. The bigger sensor that surrounds the perimeter of the boardcircuit, is a sensor
which reinforces the creation of the electrostatic field when moving the detector to locate
any target...."

"electrostatics reflects" from what ???!???
"concentrates..."...How!????
"...disperses...".....Come again??!??

"and is carried by metals, conductive wires, etc. The same as dynamic electricity"...
Yes,same as moisture,dust,corrosion,patina.....Ha! Please come again!?

"necessary in the ionic chamber for the use of positive "ions" which would meet the negative
"ions" producing the phenomenom of Long Range Directional Detection with Substance Classifier"
NOTHING is going on in "ionic chamber"! No,negative,positive or "neutral"(ha,ha,ha..) IONS at
all !!!
So,phenomenom of LRL is tied to ions !!!??? What about airborne ions? (again)....

"...The existent electronic circuits are just amplifiers of the "nano" signal supplied at
the moment of the detection...."

PSEUDO electronics, PSEUDO blah,blah....Just to say anything for laics....
What kind of "nano" is there in that funny,deaf,"poor" electronics in those devices?
Did you or anybody else here opened and seen any LNB unit ever? (small tube stucked on Satellite
dish....)???
Did you happen to see small SMT pcb inside,with MAR's or simillars? Did you ever asked yourself
what kind of electronics is that? 12-14 GHz front end,local osci., down converter to 2GHz....
PLL...
Can you imagine what kind of "job" that small LNB is doing all the time remaining so precize,while
at the same time it is considered as plain electronics.....not "nano"???!??

What kind of "nano" mineoro is talking about??? What is "nano"??? Again bogus retorics...blah,blah
just to look "scientific".....

" Gobbledy gook pseudoscientific techno-babble "
Yes it is! Absolute truth !

"Whoever wrote this clearly doesn't understand electrostatics in the least"

And many more things else! Scary! Pseudo "blah,blah" over pseudo science,backuped with pseudo
products....but with HOT prices (not pseudo at all....).

Everything about mineoro and other LRLs is ABSOLUTE NONSENCE except prices!
"They" do not understand electronics,science...else...BUT "THEY" WANT TO EARN MONEY AS WELL!!!

This subject never ends...it is so obvious... On every "our" word - "they" have two words!?
No matter if some claims here are mindless,stupid,nonsences....as long as they are present and
keep posted every day - better for "them" !!!

The best way to fighting against this kind of "science"-ing is SILENCE!
We should leave this subject for good...Let "them" amuse theirselves here,alone not disturbed
by "us"...
Since Carl want to keep this forum democratic,fair and honest....than let it be that way....
Problem is that a lot of "newbies" are coming here for the first time.They want something to
learn...They want to find some knowledge here.....This is technical forum....
It should be GREAT SIN to let those "newbies" to be missguided by nonsences and pseudo-blah,blah-
"money-sucking" pseudo sciences....stupid brainless posts and claims from LRL proponents,mineoro
advocates and others....Luck is that there is a few of those here only.
But even few of those are so "pesty",persistent and anoying that they are doing
a GREAT DAMAGE to this forum.....
Sometimes democracy is not proper choice....
Some people choose not to show here so often cose there are more nonsences every day here...
Simillar threads "breeding" more and more every day on very same subject?
Waste of time....Waste of nervs...
So many good ideas,projects and posts "killed" even before posted here cose some people just
changed their mind....looking and reading so many nonsences here.....Pitty!
Where is KT315 ?? WHere are dozen people already seen here on this forum
before ???
WHere are REAL experts? Conversants?
:eek:

[Esteban]

Where is KT315 ?? WHere are dozen people already seen here on this forum
before ???
WHere are REAL experts? Conversants?

As I see, remain in Remote Sensing forum the stupids, include I, you, Hung, Qiaozhi, Carl, Michael and others... :D

If you wish to increases the quality of all the forums here on Geotech, we can vote for to delete Remote Sensing. As I see, we're talking about witch-hunting, and the civilizate persons (experts!!!) can't participate in witch-hunting!

If the major part of the opinants here (better, pre-opinants) since the start negates the possibility of a kind of electronic LRL, no reason for to persist in the existence of this subforum.

[robert]

:rolleyes:
Yes this is true! We are STUPIDS! (including me too)...

While we are arguing here, some frauds are taking HUGE money....
What we get from this? Nothing!
Same as soccer !
40 000 fools in stadium are acting very stupid while 22 fools on the field are taking money.....HUGE money.....for what .....for nothing!
:rolleyes:

[Carl-NC]

Because I just can't see what you refer as 'nonsense'.
Honestly.

This sensor in elliptical shape represents an ionic/electrostatic field reflector, similar to the reflectors used in the antique tv aerials, which had deflectors and reflectors to better concentrate the signal received from VHF. The idea of that ionic/electrostatic reflector was originated in those reflectors. This sensor reflects and concentrates like a lens part of the energy that escapes and it is not detected by the "antenna" inside the black tube. Electrostatic fields don't behave like electromagnetic waves. You cannot "reflect" a static field.

As the detection through electrostatics has the property of polarizing the substrate, an electrical time constant was placed for this depolarization, keeping the sensor neutral to reflect the "ionic/electrostatic" fields. A disconnected piece of metal placed in an electric field will acquire a relative potential, but adding an RC network to that piece of metal will have no effect whatsoever on the potential.

It is good to clarify that electrostatics reflects, concentrates, disperses, and is carried by metals, conductive wires, etc. The same as dynamic electricity. This is false.

When the Directional Detector is moved into a horizontal or vertical position an static electricity is produced, electrostatics, according to Loeb, necessary in the ionic chamber for the use of positive "ions" which would meet the negative "ions" producing the phenomenom of Long Range Directional Detection with Substance Classifier, as it was explained before. The existent electronic circuits are just amplifiers of the "nano" signal supplied at the moment of the detection. This doesn't even make sense. It sounds like someone took a bunch of technical words, and just strung them together in a sentence.

The bigger sensor that surrounds the perimeter of the boardcircuit, is a sensor which reinforces the creation of the electrostatic field when moving the detector to locate any target. On the PDC205, this outer loop was connected to a regenerative receiver circuit, used in ordinary RF radios, and had nothing to do with electrostatics. We'll have to wait for Alexismex to draw out his schematic, but I suspect this claim is flat-out false.

- Carl

[hung]

Electrostatic fields don't behave like electromagnetic waves. You cannot "reflect" a static field.

Electrostatic fields are not static at all! If so, Mineoro detectors would nover be long range. Remember my 'antenna short story'? Read it. That's how Damasio figure things. And this was in '59!

A disconnected piece of metal placed in an electric field will acquire a relative potential, but adding an RC network to that piece of metal will have no effect whatsoever on the potential.

Hmmm.. This is another thing. You did not 'catch' the explanation.

This is false.

Many things thought false in the past were reconsidered. If you think that.. well, it's up to you.


The bigger sensor that surrounds the perimeter of the boardcircuit, is a sensor which reinforces the creation of the electrostatic field when moving the detector to locate any target.

On the PDC205, this outer loop was connected to a regenerative receiver circuit, used in ordinary RF radios, and had nothing to do with electrostatics. We'll have to wait for Alexismex to draw out his schematic, but I suspect this claim is flat-out false.


No, no, no. I corroborate their explanation. They are absolutely right.
Remember what Damasio told you in the 'challenge' text. A 'new discovery' which is not known yet by the SC which allowed them to buid such a circuit. Yet impossible to be copied correctly.

[Qiaozhi]

Electrostatic fields are not static at all! If so, Mineoro detectors would nover be long range.
Electrostatic fields are static. So by your admission, Mineoro detectors are not long range. In fact, they're not even short range. :eek:

Many things thought false in the past were reconsidered.
In some particular instances this has been true. In this case it's not. Just because all elephants are grey, does not mean that anything that is grey is an elephant.

Remember what Damasio told you in the 'challenge' text. A 'new discovery' which is not known yet by the SC which allowed them to buid such a circuit. Yet impossible to be copied correctly.
Well... it would be wouldn't it? Like all scams there is some mystical element that defies explanation. :rolleyes:

[Sean_Goddard]

Hung, I'm not criticising, but I'm interested to see that no matter WHAT people sugggest, they are ALWAYS wrong, well let my put some petrol on the fire from a friend with a PH.d in Physics.

"It IS possible that this "ionic collection chamber" has a high voltage eletrostatic charge present within it. The pointed "collector" element could focus external charged particles which are behaving like radio waves and passing through the plastic housing (after all rediation passes through an electroscope housing) and thus change the spot charge density on the HV charged unit. depending on whether the charge became more positive or negative it MIGHT be possible to determine whether ferrous of non ferrous metal was present in the vicinity of the unit".

He goes on to say, that MUCH better directional screening than the Mineoro unit has would be required to get directional information from the signal, and that, given the large amount of ferrous metal present in our towns and cities, that the UTube video is FAKE as trying to discriminate a gold coin in a city from 10 blocks away would be like trying to listen to a whipser 10 rows away at a football match after a touchdown for the home team.

NO CHANCE!!

So, my friend doesn't say it WON'T work, he says it's UNLIKELY that it will under all circumstances, whcih, strangely enough, is what people find when they use an LRL. It's a bit like NASA claim to have put a man on the moon, no one has actually SEEN the footprints apart from those who've "been there", so how can we refute the claim?

[Sean_Goddard]

BTW look up STATIC in the dictionary, or any electrical reference book. My friend, people with a LOT more technical ability have explained how static fields behave thaan a bunch of conmen who claim LRL's work anad by what methods they do (?!?) work. Sorry FACT!!

I rather think that the likes of Carl and a few other here would have seen these "undiscovered" findings published, as professional Electronics Engineers we HAVE to stay up to date with ALL that is happening. We have to run to stand still these days lest our skills become obsolete. So when someone comes along and makes a bunch of ridiculous claims, you can imagine we rightly feel our intelligence, AND our MANY years of collective technical experience based on YEARS of actually DOING THE JOB for real is somewhat diminished and sometimes, yes, we even feel insulted:mad: , so PLEASE do not make stupid claims for bogus devices unless you can back them up with HARD FACTS which can be repeated under scientific scrutiny.

"Better to let people THINK you are and idiot, than to open your mouth and PROVE it"!;)

[Rudy]

It's hilarious reading your conclusions above. As I said this woud be really amusing, reading the 'wild guesses'.

Mr. Damasio in past long conversations told me a lot of things about the Mineoro concept. Although he never told me exactly why it can't be cloned, he mentioned to me things that now I understand and corroborate...It's impossible to clone it without essential information.

But thanks for posting the pictures, so I will never have to dismantle my detector to see it.

Why am I not surprised at this answer? :D

[hung]

Hung, I'm not criticising, but I'm interested to see that no matter WHAT people sugggest, they are ALWAYS wrong, well let my put some petrol on the fire from a friend with a PH.d in Physics.

"It IS possible that this "ionic collection chamber" has a high voltage eletrostatic charge present within it. The pointed "collector" element could focus external charged particles which are behaving like radio waves and passing through the plastic housing (after all rediation passes through an electroscope housing) and thus change the spot charge density on the HV charged unit. depending on whether the charge became more positive or negative it MIGHT be possible to determine whether ferrous of non ferrous metal was present in the vicinity of the unit".

He goes on to say, that MUCH better directional screening than the Mineoro unit has would be required to get directional information from the signal, and that, given the large amount of ferrous metal present in our towns and cities, that the UTube video is FAKE as trying to discriminate a gold coin in a city from 10 blocks away would be like trying to listen to a whipser 10 rows away at a football match after a touchdown for the home team.

NO CHANCE!!

Sean, first of all I'm not one of the inventors of the Mineoro devices. Thus I don't have the information of what exactly they discovered. I said in the past that I 'imagine', based on my long conversations with Mr. Damasio. I might be wrong? Yes of course.
They discovered a phenomena which apparently it's not known yet. For this they call it 'damasio-alonso method' when refering to the detection aproach.

Based on what you posted, a little food for tought for you...You mention difficulty to discriminate a gold coin in a city, etc... Place a pocket radio in an acoustic sealed room. Turn it on. You will hear it perfectly. Now in the same room keeping the pocket radio on, place a 100 watt guitar amp cranked loud. Are you still able to hear the pocket radio? I don't think so.

So, my friend doesn't say it WON'T work, he says it's UNLIKELY that it will under all circumstances, whcih, strangely enough, is what people find when they use an LRL. It's a bit like NASA claim to have put a man on the moon, no one has actually SEEN the footprints apart from those who've "been there", so how can we refute the claim?

Despite of that there are some who still claim the moon landing was a hoax. The foot prints could be taken in a studio and don't prove nothing. You may be aware of those people which spread this theory don't you?
I particularly have no doubt about the moon landing and also have ho doubt about Damasio and Alonso discovery which is not known yet.

Question answered.

[Rudy]

Ions or ionic fields that is the conundrum.

If they are detecting gold ions:
Then we must conclude that the gold ions are somehow floating in the air since the detector probe is not being pushed into the ground, nor would it be able to detect the ions themselves at relatively long distances if the ions where trapped in (adhering to) the soil matrix in the form of a compound (ionic salts, etc.).

We must also assume that somehow the ions can penetrate through the walls of the ionic chamber. Something that would require an extreme amount of unexplained kinetic energy on the part of the ion.

We are also left with the need for a mechanism able to properly categorize the ions that enter the chamber. Such a mechanism is notably absent from the pictures of the chamber contents.

If they are detecting the electric field from the ions:
The gold ions that may be present on or near the surface are chemically compounded. Gold is the cation and another atom or radical acts as the anion. The ions can be viewed as point charges. In the case of gold, two types of cations are usual. +1 and +3. The former lacks 1 electron and the latter one lacks 3 electrons.

As point charges, their electric field strength falls off as the square of the distance. But, the gold cations must remain in close proximity (on the order of several atomic diameters) to its corresponding anions to remain in this ionized state. The anion has an equal electric charge strength but of opposite sign. Thus their electric field is also equal but of opposite sign.

If the ionic bond is broken, the gold ions would pick up some free electrons and becomes electrically neutral thus not producing an ionic field anymore.

This has an important implication. At macro distances (distances greater than the molecular size of the compound), the electric field (ionic field) vanishes! The bulk of the electric field of the gold cations and corresponding anions cancel out. Any possible and much smaller residual field due to the fringing field or slight local atomic population density imbalance falls off as the square of the distance between the point source and the detector location.

This residual field is not easy to calculate as it involves the numerical evaluation of the complete and incomplete elliptic integrals of the first and second kind, but it is assuredly miniscule at the physical distances contemplated for LRL applications.

In a like manner, we are left with the difficulty of somehow identifying the source of this miniscule electric field as having come from a gold ion, as opposed to any other cations that are present in many of the other naturally occurring salts in the ground.

Conclusion

1.- I fail to see how either method above can be used to make an LRL that works.

2.- Some person will see my use of elliptic integrals above and, erroneously, assume there is a direct relationship to the use of an elliptically shaped detection pattern in the mineoro web site or an elliptically shaped component inside the LRL.

3.- I expect that Hung will follow up to this post and: challenge this post; claim that I am ignorant of the scientific principles involved in the "damasio-alonso method", while, at the same time not contribute one iota towards providing any scientifically sound information explaining how the instrument could possibly work. Instead, appeals will be made to pseudo science and mumbo jumbo.

[Seden]

Rudy,

Excellant job and a breath of fresh air. If this unit works as good as my friends on this forum say it does, Mineoro is waging a serious dis-information campaign.:nono:
And frankly I can't blame them for not coming out with the real reason, then we could build our own for under $100 from what I've seen.

I tried to meet with the US Distributor who lives in my neck of the woods but so far it hasn't happened. When he first got his Dist.,I told him to go to the various Gold Prospector club outings and demonstrate the units. People would find a way to get the cash if it could be shown them right then and there how easily you could locate gold in the field.

As they say, build a better mouse trap and people will beat a path to your door step to buy it!

Randy WD6ELU

MXT Master

[Dell Winders]

Randy, I suspect the Ca dealer has learned that Mineoro, works only during suitable magnetic conditions and does not work when the necessary operating conditions for the Mineoro, or any LRL are not present.

Suitable operating conditions are not predictable in advance and can sometimes fluxuate in and out as quickly as 2-3 second intervals. This makes the ability to demonstrate the product at any specific time, random chance at best. The same applies operating in the field. You never know in advance whether there will be reception, or not.

Unless you can spend several days with the dealer, or fortunate to test at a time of good reception in that area, it will be easy to conclude that the product never works.

In my opinion, this problem is solveable, but in 20 years I have not seen any manufacturer with the funds, that has recognized the problem, or has attempted to address it.

When the missing componnent is added, Remote Sensing Discrimination products will operate with consistency. Dell

[goldfvr]

Randy, I suspect the Ca dealer has learned that Mineoro, works only during suitable magnetic conditions and does not work when the necessary operating conditions for the Mineoro, or any LRL are not present.

Suitable operating conditions are not predictable in advance and can sometimes fluxuate in and out as quickly as 2-3 second intervals. This makes the ability to demonstrate the product at any specific time, random chance at best. The same applies operating in the field. You never know in advance whether there will be reception, or not.

Unless you can spend several days with the dealer, or fortunate to test at a time of good reception in that area, it will be easy to conclude that the product never works.

In my opinion, this problem is solveable, but in 20 years I have not seen any manufacturer with the funds, that has recognized the problem, or has attempted to address it.

When the missing componnent is added, Remote Sensing Discrimination products will operate with consistency. Dell

If you can never tell whether the conditions are suitable for 2-3 seconds at a time, then you can never tell whether the device is working or not... This "inconsistency" to me means the device is utterly and totally unusable !!!

[Rudy]

Rudy,

Excellant job and a breath of fresh air. If this unit works as good as my friends on this forum say it does, Mineoro is waging a serious dis-information campaign.:nono:

Yes indeed! :nono:

I should also have added to the conumdrum post the following:

If is it sensing gold ions floating in air over the deposits, then there is another consequence:

1. The detection pattern would not be an ellipse with the long axis aligned with the North/South magnetic poles. Quite simply, the airborne ions would be dissipated by the prevailing winds and drift away from the target location as well as be further dilluted by the air currents.


[quote]And frankly I can't blame them for not coming out with the real reason, then we could build our own for under $100 from what I've seen.

Why would you waste your money?

I tried to meet with the US Distributor who lives in my neck of the woods but so far it hasn't happened. When he first got his Dist.,I told him to go to the various Gold Prospector club outings and demonstrate the units. People would find a way to get the cash if it could be shown them right then and there how easily you could locate gold in the field.

Why would he waste his time? Instead he should be getting rich finding gold with his own "demo" unit. :lol: :rolleyes:

[Rudy]

Randy, I suspect the Ca dealer has learned that Mineoro, works only during suitable magnetic conditions and does not work when the necessary operating conditions for the Mineoro, or any LRL are not present.

Suitable operating conditions are not predictable in advance and can sometimes fluxuate in and out as quickly as 2-3 second intervals. This makes the ability to demonstrate the product at any specific time, random chance at best. The same applies operating in the field. You never know in advance whether there will be reception, or not.

Unless you can spend several days with the dealer, or fortunate to test at a time of good reception in that area, it will be easy to conclude that the product never works.

In my opinion, this problem is solveable, but in 20 years I have not seen any manufacturer with the funds, that has recognized the problem, or has attempted to address it.

When the missing componnent is added, Remote Sensing Discrimination products will operate with consistency. Dell

To paraphrase:

There are too many environmental variables making it impossible to expect consistent working results (geomagnetic conditions, humidity,...).

The probability that the LRL works during any reasonable time window is purely a random chance.

The only way to prove that it actually works is to continue to try it until, given the same laws of probability and random chance, you actually dig something of value. In the meantime, the lack of success is attributed to less than optimal enviromental conditions.

A million monkeys sitting at a million typewriters and given enough time, one of them will eventually type a Mineoro operating manual. :D

[Seden]

Rudy,

I guess I should of been more specific. What I was trying to say is the explanation given by Mineoro is pure B.S. and again your point is well taken regarding ions. Heck, for that matter it's easy to blow air on a stream high voltage/low current stream of ions and move them.8)

Would be nice to read out the code in the uP to see just what it is doing. I cannot pass judgement on this unit until I have one in hand in the field and run it though a battery of tests out in the desert away from all the interference locally (RFI,EMI).

Until then I will keep an open mind as if for no other reason I respect Esteban's technical ability from our emailing back and forth sharing information.

Randy

[Carl-NC]

I tried to meet with the US Distributor who lives in my neck of the woods but so far it hasn't happened. When he first got his Dist.,I told him to go to the various Gold Prospector club outings and demonstrate the units. People would find a way to get the cash if it could be shown them right then and there how easily you could locate gold in the field.


Randy,

I hope you will continue to try to meet up with Kurt. He and I exchange a slew of emails way back, when he was wondering whether Mineoro pulled a fast one on him at the demo they gave. I suggested several things he could try, to conclusively prove whether their devices work. I guess he didn't follow through.

- Carl

[sisco]

HI

can help me ?

[Alexismex]

Hello sisco, it is bronze and the small disc is gold 24 OK
Saludos for all the forum,
Alexis.
too much work to trace 210 now, hope soon have more time.

[sisco]

HI ALEXISMEX

excuse me for my bad english

i draw this pcb from bottom layer of black part by your picture.

can take a good picture from top layer and write resistor and capacitor value

and transistor noumber .

i am wait

THANK.

[Sean_Goddard]

Rudy, a million monkeys?? That FEW!!:D

More likely (changing topic a BIT) they could code up a decent operating system which would rival Windoze Vista (or should that be ASTALAVISTA as you would say to your files given the recent exploits uncovered) :razz: .

[Rudy]

[QUOTE=Sean_Goddard;50700]Rudy, a million monkeys?? That FEW!!:D
QUOTE]

Ok, I was hedging my bet. :rolleyes:

[Max]

HI ALEXISMEX

excuse me for my bad english

i draw this pcb from bottom layer of black part by your picture.

can take a good picture from top layer and write resistor and capacitor value

and transistor noumber .

i am wait

THANK.

Hi sisco,
let us know if you'll find something...mean everything you find when finished...including everything and also...please send photos!
I'm courios too...:)

Best regards,
Max

[strujas]

Aleximex hurry with your post's,,,

[Clondike Clad]

if the FG80 sensor is like this unit ,,,,,,it is a scam
NOW WE NEED TO LEARN MORE ON THE fg80,
Carl will let us know about the FG80 only time will tell.:cool:

[Clondike Clad]

Someone is telling us that this thing works
DID YOU GET THIS THING TO WORK.

[Alexismex]

Hello Forum , have no much time in this moment to check the board but i see big desire for this big foolish board i will take time this weekend to "screen the board and components and next Cisco will make the schematic ,OK partner will make it.
Today I have a phone from a friend in Mexico , this friend return a mineoro to MR Damasio (don't know the model ...but not to old...) with some angry (he has travelling two time to Brazil, with two different Mineoro ) ,and today he just received via DHL the ULTIMUM Model of mineoro ,with target sample etc...etc... he tell me in this month, he will make some test in situ ,,,,???I do not say nothing to respect his positive thinking !!!!but i will inform you the result with number of the model etc...
To Monday with all datas board
salut a tous
Alexis

[Alexismex]

Some photos

[Alexismex]

more

[Alexismex]

better

[Rudy]

better

That has got to be the worst soldering job I have ever seen in my life !
Obviously Quality Control is not one of their manufacturing fortes.

[Carl-NC]

That has got to be the worst soldering job I have ever seen in my life !

Then you haven't seen the inside of LRLs made by Neil Pagel, Dell Winders, or Vincent Blanes... they truly are an embarrassment.

[Dell Winders]

Originally Posted by Rudy http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/showthread.php?p=52669#post52669)
That has got to be the worst soldering job I have ever seen in my life !
Then you haven't seen the inside of LRLs made by Neil Pagel, Dell Winders, or Vincent Blanes... they truly are an embarrassment. -Carl

That's true about me I admit it. The units I build are homemade. I have no electronic training, or proper equipment. My soldering is improving, but my eyesight is poor.

This is one of the first units I built myself. I'm learning. Dell



http://www.treasureamerica.com/photo/pro4circuit.jpg

[Qiaozhi]

That has got to be the worst soldering job I have ever seen in my life !
Obviously Quality Control is not one of their manufacturing fortes.
In fact this is probably one of the better scams. :rolleyes:
This board looks worse in the photo than it is in reality. If I recall correctly, Alexismex removed the black gunk that was covering this board to expose it in its full glory.

[Dell Winders]

If I recall correctly, Alexismex removed the black gunk that was covering this board to expose it in its full glory.

That must have been an unintelligent waste of time and effort but, kids do play. Dell

[Carl-NC]

Dell, what would we find if the epoxy were removed from your pictured Pro-4? Would there be a speaker voice coil glued inside a potentiometer casing?

I'm curious... is a speaker coil glued in a pot casing a hidden insult to the people who buy your equipment?

- Carl

[Jim]

That must have been an unintelligent waste of time and effort but, kids do play. Dell

That’s a real fine how-do-ya-do from someone with your honesty and integrity. It is refreshing to see these scam artist, such as Dell Winders, squirm beneath the microscope.

[Dell Winders]

Carl, is the one trying to pull a Scam on his viewers. I have no idea what he is talking about? This is the second time he has made this inference. He doesn't even say where he got the componnent pictured, or if he field tested whatever it came from?

Another example of when idiots pretend to be Scientific. Dell

[Carl-NC]

I pulled it out of the epoxied portion of a Dell Systems GS Pro.

Would you like to pretend that you know nothing about this? Or that it's somehow my fault?

[Qiaozhi]

I pulled it out of the epoxied portion of a Dell Systems GS Pro.

Would you like to pretend that you know nothing about this? Or that it's somehow my fault?
I don't believe that Dell does know anything. He's already stated this himself.
I have no electronic training, or proper equipment.
Another example of when idiots pretend to be Scientific. Dell

Actually these are two seperate quotes, but they go together quite nicely (don't you think?) and they're not taken out of context.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[strujas]

Alexismex you had started something , you should to finish it,, we need a better photo of big board (routing layer) , list of parts for big board and top side of small board, thats a 30 minutes of your time, hurry up.......

[Qiaozhi]

Alexismex you had started something , you should to finish it,, we need a better photo of big board (routing layer) , list of parts for big board and top side of small board, thats a 30 minutes of your time, hurry up.......
Crikey! You've certainly been working on your motivational skills. :lol:

[aft_72005]

Hi Alexismex
About this board :can you read program stored
In 2051 micro. Controller . may be protected .
This board how it works ?
Are you observation waveforms at input or output ?
If yes ,please upload .

[Max]

Hi Alexismex

About this board :can you read program stored
In 2051 micro. Controller . may be protected .
This board how it works ?
Are you observation waveforms at input or output ?

If yes ,please upload .


Read the other posts :lol:

[Max]

Damasio you're our boogie man ! :lol:

All now want dance on your conditional loops! :razz:

[aft_72005]

Hi Max
Please show me where are this pages wrote about
Program of 2051 or how it works microcontroller board ?
Where of this pages you saw waveforms pictures ?

[Max]

Hi Max

Please show me where are this pages wrote about
Program of 2051 or how it works microcontroller board ?

Where of this pages you saw waveforms pictures ?


http://www.thunting.com/geotech/forums/showthread.php?t=12061&page=5

[Geo]

Last days on a Greek forum "plays" the schematic of this Mineoro.
I will try to edit it and to post here.

Regards:)

[Geo]

Hi.
I attach here the schematic of Mineoro FG79 based on the work of AlexisMex.
I made this schematic incumbent on the work of Alexis and from everything else that i found on the internet, plus from my work of reversing the pcbs.
I have read the most prices of the parts but i will wait until to be sure about all of them and then to attach them to the schematic.


A present for Happy New Year:):):)

[Fred]

Hi Geo,
Interesting circuit, very similar function to the ferrite circuit of the PD, except for the "ion chamber" that has no function at all imo , directly connected to the low impedance base of a transistor :rolleyes:
What is the "10hz" signals, it comes from the atmega?

Thanks and happy new year to you.
Fred.

[hung]

Hi Geo,
Interesting circuit, very similar function to the ferrite circuit of the PD, except for the "ion chamber" that has no function at all imo , directly connected to the low impedance base of a transistor :rolleyes:


:lol::lol:

He,he,he...no wonder you are one of geoskepthic's favorite 'engineers'...:barf:

[hung]

Hi.
I attach here the schematic of Mineoro FG79 based on the work of AlexisMex.
I made this schematic incumbent on the work of Alexis and from everything else that i found on the internet, plus from my work of reversing the pcbs.
I have read the most prices of the parts but i will wait until to be sure about all of them and then to attach them to the schematic.


A present for Happy New Year:):):)

Hello Geo.
This is not the FG79 schematics.
This is the old CDM210 still with the discontinued ATMEL 2051.
Also, are you sure this schematics are correct?
I don't think so...

Regards.

[pebe]

I am surprised that Q1 works with no forward bias.

[Fred]

He,he,he...no wonder you are one of geoskepthic's favorite 'engineers'...
I am ?? :lol:
Could you explain ? :lol::lol:

[Geo]

Hi Geo,
Interesting circuit, very similar function to the ferrite circuit of the PD, except for the "ion chamber" that has no function at all imo , directly connected to the low impedance base of a transistor :rolleyes:
What is the "10hz" signals, it comes from the atmega?

Thanks and happy new year to you.
Fred.


Hi Fred. The signal 10Hz is coming from ATmega...

Regards:)

[Geo]

Hello Geo.
This is not the FG79 schematics.
This is the old CDM210 still with the discontinued ATMEL 2051.
Also, are you sure this schematics are correct?
I don't think so...

Regards.

Hi Hung.
I don't know the Mineoro models good
But if i read good at this post http://geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12061&highlight=Mineoro
then i see that it writes CDM210 and FG79.1 Fresh Gold.
Schematic is OK, but i must add the low battery check... the regulators... etc. I have it at 4 pages so maybe at transfer to one page to make a small mistake, but i don't think

Regards

[Geo]

I am surprised that Q1 works with no forward bias.


Hi pepe.
You have right. You must put a connection at base of Q1, R4 and C7. I will try to edit it..
Thanks
Regards:)

ps... R4=1M and C7=33pF

[Morgan]

Hi.
I attach here the schematic of Mineoro FG79 based on the work of AlexisMex.
I made this schematic incumbent on the work of Alexis and from everything else that i found on the internet, plus from my work of reversing the pcbs.
I have read the most prices of the parts but i will wait until to be sure about all of them and then to attach them to the schematic.


A present for Happy New Year:):):)


Here is the Ionic Chamber FG 79 ,with 24 K GOLD,was open by Alexis Mex...
Maibe it works the same with siver...


14086

14087

14088

[minime]

GEO why you haven't just gived the following & you are trying so hard to make a newer same one... :)

That is the one that has come up at Greek forum Geo said some days ago!
Another fellow there recognised it as been the mineoro circuit diagram.
http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/1642/210sm1.jpg (http://img843.imageshack.us/i/210sm1.jpg/)

[Geo]

You wrote at Greek forum that it is not the same model!!!!
Now what are you mean????

[minime]

You wrote at Greek forum that it is not the same model!!!!
Now what are you mean????

Hi Geo.
As I have said at the Greek forum I didn't even know from what this was in the first place. After the recognition of it as the circuit of beeing a mineoro by the other fellow there, you seemed to agree that this should be the FG79 model. The other fellow was much more sure aqbout it, when he cleraly said that this circuit is 100% same as the mineoro's circuits! I'm sure that he knows much more than both of us on that & his statement is considered far more reliable than trying to find errors on that circuit by comparing it with just photos from a 2 side board! At least he said/claimed that he had fully desolved a unit of them, and thats why he has been the first one that he could recognize it so positively, even after you have seen it & you were saying it must be just a pinpointer device
So lets just assume that this is the schematic of the mineoros older (and out of production as someone said) units, instead of trying to edit it and provide something, that will not be as close as that one, after all the added "quessing modifications" that may come out from just looking the board photos from here. I can accept his recognitiom as far more true than anyone else, as it is his statement that made you to start later to editing it in the first place. The credits of finding it, should go to that young fellow there after all... don't you agree?

I'm more than curious to find out if that is really the same circuit as it should be found inside of one of the older & obsolete mineoro units, as this will rise more questions to me, about the ferrite probe version of the probe that my info shows, instead of an ion chamber!
For example, that may lead to suspect that the chamber can be directly replaced by a double coil on a ferrite! Isn't that a different approach? And what that would mean for the working behaviour of the unit, after all!

[Fred]

I appreciate the efforts to show diagrams here, but before trying to build such a device, don´t you think the first thing to do would be to know if it works ? From "all" the device sold, i have never heard of the proof that one is really working.
After all it would never come to mind to try to duplicate a rangertelll, even if it so easy to build. :p

[Morgan]

Hi Geo.
As I have said at the Greek forum I didn't even know from what this was in the first place. After the recognition of it as the circuit of beeing a mineoro by the other fellow there, you seemed to agree that this should be the FG79 model. The other fellow was much more sure aqbout it, when he cleraly said that this circuit is 100% same as the mineoro's circuits! I'm sure that he knows much more than both of us on that & his statement is considered far more reliable than trying to find errors on that circuit by comparing it with just photos from a 2 side board! At least he said/claimed that he had fully desolved a unit of them, and thats why he has been the first one that he could recognize it so positively, even after you have seen it & you were saying it must be just a pinpointer device
So lets just assume that this is the schematic of the mineoros older (and out of production as someone said) units, instead of trying to edit it and provide something, that will not be as close as that one, after all the added "quessing modifications" that may come out from just looking the board photos from here. I can accept his recognitiom as far more true than anyone else, as it is his statement that made you to start later to editing it in the first place. The credits of finding it, should go to that young fellow there after all... don't you agree?

I'm more than curious to find out if that is really the same circuit as it should be found inside of one of the older & obsolete mineoro units, as this will rise more questions to me, about the ferrite probe version of the probe that my info shows, instead of an ion chamber!
For example, that may lead to suspect that the chamber can be directly replaced by a double coil on a ferrite! Isn't that a different approach? And what that would mean for the working behaviour of the unit, after all!


Thanks for post this schematic.
Afther read your thread,i think the PD Ferrite also can be replaced by one Gold Ionic Chamber type MINEORO... Maybe

[J_Player]

I appreciate the efforts to show diagrams here, but before trying to build such a device, don´t you think the first thing to do would be to know if it works ? From "all" the device sold, i have never heard of the proof that one is really working.
After all it would never come to mind to try to duplicate a rangertelll, even if it so easy to build. :pExactly...!
Who would spend their time building an LRL before they were sure it works first? :rolleyes:

Best wishes,
J_P

[Geo]

Exactly...!
Who would spend their time building an LRL before they were sure it works first? :rolleyes:

Best wishes,
J_P

A schematic is not good only for construction reason.
You can check it to see how the company is thinking...

Regards:)

[Fred]

Exactly...!
Who would spend their time building an LRL before they were sure it works first? :rolleyes:

Best wishes,
J_P

I don´t know about being sure, but a least having someone aparently serious saying so would be a good incentive, still to happen for any mineoro device.

[Geo]

Happy New Year to all of you and to your Families!!!
:flag_gr::cheers:

[Morgan]

Happy New Year to all of you and to your Families!!!
:flag_gr::cheers:


Happy new year :cheers:

[takhslambos]

HAPPY NEW YEAR TO YOU ALL.

[raff33]

Happy new year all forum :cheers:

[ban]

Q/ how to circuit mineoro fg79 ?

[kooroshxfx1]

hello

help me

i need file hex atmega 8

tanks

[reza vir]

hello

help me

i need file hex atmega 8

tanks

this schematic have not micro Ic ?????

atmega 8 for Which schematic ????

[Geo]

this schematic have not micro Ic ?????

atmega 8 for Which schematic ????

Here is the schematic
http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showpost.php?p=121701&postcount=80

but i have not the code (hex)

[nelson]

Without the code is imposible to make this thing to work


Here is the schematic
http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showpost.php?p=121701&postcount=80

but i have not the code (hex)

[humhum]

Without the code is imposible to make this thing to work


Hi Nelson, Make of code for this PIC is very easy , please see I/O of this schematic.
;):D !!!