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Esteban
10-09-2006, 09:48 PM
Alonso testing Mineoro 2007, two pics. I take the photos.
Hey, great to see 'Doc' Alonso at work! Thanks for sharing Esteban.
I've never met him but I intend to do so in the end of year at Garopaba. Esteban I'm sure you will show up so we can share stories and findings.
By the way, Garpaba's pizza is THE BEST OF THE WORLD!:D
Esteban
10-09-2006, 11:30 PM
Hung, see the thread "In the crest of the wave". I like much the pizzas!!!
hawk17966
10-10-2006, 12:00 AM
:D :D
So we can see that mineoro is even suitable for fishing!
Something like fishfinder.....
I'll ask RObert to repost this picture with some "OYE,OYE's..." on it so it will be much better.....
Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha......!
Stop please, i'll die laughing!!! Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha.....
:D :D :D
Esteban
10-10-2006, 12:28 AM
You hawk 17966 (pseudo-Chinese?) and/or Robert can post all the oye oye you want. Can I think they only can post horrendous jokes about serious themes? I think the administrator must be eliminate this bad jokes of non serious persons.
okantex
10-10-2006, 06:49 AM
hi Esteban,
I pleased to see you again after a long time
can I ask A question
we know zahori's working frequency ranges
what frequency range do these new models work?
are they all work in different frequncies which makes their sensitivities and detection distance different;?
I especially wonder FG 's ..
michael
10-10-2006, 06:56 AM
Hi Esteban, congradulations to mineoro.You hawk 17966 (pseudo-Chinese?) and/or Robert can post all the oye oye you want. Can I think they only can post horrendous jokes about serious themes? I think the administrator must be eliminate this bad jokes of non serious persons.I agree with you.Don't be worry if some body gives noises here. Let them be in their world.
Don't you think this world without these wiz-wiz becomes little flat?:D :D
okantex
10-10-2006, 07:04 AM
hi
michael is right we need some noise to enjoy on the planes of this world.
Since they can not come on ring with their own devices or even ideas ,they do not have right to viz-viz.
because of these bad voices we lost some of good friend like kt315 .I am sure you new bees do not know who he is.
if you can not do any thing ,just wathc what is happening.and ask to understand .be sure you will get answers.
here nobody is creater of earth.everyone is a student and tries to solve the effects of universe.
okay there is still some persons who aims to sell their products.if you want fight them .
not to esteban and ones like him
best wishes
hawk17966
10-10-2006, 09:56 AM
:D
You'll get flat!
As i know him, KT315 is big sceptic and he doesnt find any interest to be here any more, as you "breed" nonsenced threads more and more every day...He became sick of you and thats why he left...
Esteban, at least you can be wise...the other two i do not mind at all...
Posting photos does not proove anything.....How many times this have to happen you to understand that fact?
Stupid story,stupid photo.....what proofs are they? None!
Please count simillar threads if you are honest man...
Oye,oye kariokes!
Brasil is nice country...it is a pitty that some people shamed their origin with their posts here....Other Brasilians should do something about it!
:eek:
okantex
10-10-2006, 01:00 PM
"
Join Date: 10-07-2006
Posts"
hawk you birdy.
being rude is not so diffucult .believe me.
can you see the date .it is your join ing date to this forum.
so how can you talk like this .you are so free in talk.
who are you .?
again a coward who wants to hide himself.
fine
you can say whatever you want.
michael
10-10-2006, 02:10 PM
Once upon a time people were skeptic of building airplane and flying.
in other sides of world when people heard of flying laughed at them and were skeptic for flying concept.
what this skepticism can prove? what node will be opened by it?
Just rehashing and rehashing. just come and tell; Hey people LRLing is a all over bogus and never works is this skeptics logic? then how about those guys who have gotten results? you just can mock and deny them?
If a newbie or a beginner at once see your concept and inferences , will definitely stare you hesitantly.
When a person wants to pretend for sleep can't wake him up but you canwake up a true asleep.
Which kind of documents will be enough or satisfier? press conferences?
"Associated press", "Reuters", CNN,.. should put the news in their headlines that satisfies you? I'm sure not. If god sends a messenger with some miracles to you who tells; guys LRLing works, you will fight him.:D
Dell has the best aphorism: " The door to knowledge, truth or understanding is never open to a closed, or prejudiced mind"
Esteban
10-10-2006, 06:31 PM
Some words:
First, I use my real name and show my person in photos. Also use corporative email. I'm an only person, not a multipersonality as others well-known.
Second, not only about electronic LRL I post, also schematics and info about "normal" metal detection. So, if there are persons who want attack me, show me his useful info posted in forums. Only bad jokes I found.
Third, I'm not Mineoro's seller. Yes, Mineoro has some problems and I'm discuss all this with Damásio and Alonso how can solve for to launch a more perfect machine. So, to work in field is the theme, not only in front a screen. The sequences I show was in a trip of 400 km. And I can't recommend a particular model, only can talk regarding MY OWN EXPERIENCES.
Justly for respect to this persons of Serbia I upload in "mytempdir" because they has problem with dial-up slow internet. So, is very easy save in the hard disk and watch later.
Esteban
10-10-2006, 06:43 PM
Okantex: the tune frequency of Mineoro is only in the loop. This is in the region of the khz.
Zahori is different. The normal is near 100 hZ. At more high frequency the sensibility is poor. This frequency discharge the telescopic antenna of straneous charges.
I'll scan the DCH series manual of the years 1985, 86, 87 and 88. Some models of this years are similar in operation's principle. I'll collect these and put in forum.
Yes, Mineoro has some problems and I'm discuss all this with Damásio and Alonso how can solve for to launch a more perfect machine.
I wouldn't say 'problems' per se. Maybe you mis expressed yourself.
I would say 'limitations' which is natural due to the own limitations of the ionic phenomena. Go back to 1985 when the DCH 85 was lauched. It required 100% of ionic field to detect.
Today the FG80 requires only 25% of it.
Limitations? Sure there are, but AS ALL ANY TECHNOLOGICAL DEVICE it's always improving.
Esteban
10-10-2006, 07:18 PM
Yes, all devices has limitations. Hung, really the limitation or small problems can solve immediately with the "synergics".
hawk17966
10-10-2006, 08:24 PM
:)
Okantex....dear...I am RObert, just using my other nick here....I just answered on your private message about RF...If you want more, than let's start new thread about it. You open a new thread and i'll be everyday visitor...
Let's back to mineoro subject:
O.K.
HUNG , ESTEBAN ,
I have only one question for you two;
Lets presume that i am just once seriously intereted in your claims..
There is one thing which bugs me mostly in your story;
If your mineoro "beeps" in one direction,than you follow signal, sooner or later you gonna "spot" the exact place and know where to dig.
So, now Hung and Esteban:
How do you know at what depth is find and what kind of metal it is?
Lets presume that item is at 2 meters depth....So you start digging....
After a while (huh, 2 meters hole is some work) you find it and it turns to be a iron trash but not gold or something simillar???
As i experimented with PDC210 so many times and later with Zahori...both devices "beep"-ed so many times in so many directions that made me crazy and of will to dig anywhere....
I saw that funny movie clip from Mineoro where 5-6 man dig a huge hole...about 1.5x3 meters and almost 1.8 meter depth and finally they founded a piece og gold chain......Such enormous effort of 5-6 man just to gain worthless piece of chain, even it was gold...
Of course that clip convinced me noway that mineoro works,cose picture was not clear at all...so man in the hole could already holded it in his hand hidden and later acted as he founded it in dirt....
But no matter that clip...
You just explain how can you determine which kind of metal is while mineoro "beep"s all the time randomly, picking up all the noise,interferences and eadio and tv sinals arround.....Same as Zahori....
So Hung,Esteban...c'mon...explain...but do not give me a **** story about experience,special techniques, wether conditions,moisture etc...etc...
If you can explain this, than i'll stop laughing on your stories for a while....otherwise you better stop posting here....at the end everybodys gonna laugh in you all the time...
:rolleyes:
Qiaozhi
10-10-2006, 09:09 PM
Hi Esteban and Hung,
Although Hawk17966/Robert is getting a little upset, he does make a number of good points.
Firstly:
so man in the hole could already holded it in his hand hidden and later acted as he founded it in dirt....
This may not be what actually happened, but you must concede that it is a possibility. It would not take some difficult sleight-of-hand to plant the "longtime buried gold" and miraculously make a "discovery".
Secondly:
How do you know at what depth is find and what kind of metal it is?
Another good question. There is no depth indicator on the Mineoro. Depth indication (like all metal detectors) is an educated guess, and is based on a standard sized coin (whatever that is).
Lastly:
at the end everybodys gonna laugh in you all the time...
There is one sure way to stop the laughing and disbelief - take Carl's $25,000 challenge. If this technology works and it's so easy, then go and claim the money. That way everyone will stop laughing. :rolleyes:
All you questions can easily be answered just reading the info on
www.mineoro.com (http://www.mineoro.com)
About depth. There's an acessory> center & deep which is used to detemrine how deep is the target.
How it's used: Once you determine the center of the object, place the detector in a 45 deg angle , 1 foot away from center, pointing in a N-S direction (there's a support included). Then get the center e deep and start moving forward, when the detector beeps, there's your depth.
See the videos about this in the Mineoro site.
There is one sure way to stop the laughing and disbelief - take Carl's $25,000 challenge. If this technology works and it's so easy, then go and claim the money. That way everyone will stop laughing. :rolleyes:
Sorry, I don't think so. The laughing would go on.
Qiaozhi
10-10-2006, 09:36 PM
Sorry, I don't think so. The laughing would go on.
Only if you don't pass the challenge.:D
Esteban
10-10-2006, 09:37 PM
In my case, I asure you nobody in my team plant targets. We go in sites invited for landlords supossed there are treasure and we walk. Several meters from the place of the target the pistol beeps. In the case of the ring the landlords dig and found the item.
Can't respond if is possible to incorporate a depth indicator in this type of machine.
Also I laughing of emotion in each find.
I'm in this way since 1979. If I believe in it is because many times we unearth precious items, include small treasures, like the cup with nine gold fine plates found near a stream I was posted here, and many more.
I see that for you only persons like Hawk17966, Sony or Robert has "good points".
Yes, I asure you one day we'll demonstrate with dollar$ or without dollar$.
Qiaozhi
10-10-2006, 10:01 PM
In my case, I asure you nobody in my team plant targets. We go in sites invited for landlords supossed there are treasure and we walk. Several meters from the place of the target the pistol beeps. In the case of the ring the landlords dig and found the item.
Can't respond if is possible to incorporate a depth indicator in this type of machine.
Also I laughing of emotion in each find.
I'm in this way since 1979. If I believe in it is because many times we unearth precious items, include small treasures, like the cup with nine gold fine plates found near a stream I was posted here, and many more.
I see that for you only persons like Hawk17966, Sony or Robert has "good points".
Yes, I asure you one day we'll demonstrate with dollar$ or without dollar$.
OK - so if this technology really works, then why do so many people not believe in it? Even those who have tried LRLs and found them lacking?
Why does it work for you and not for others? Hopefully the answer has nothing to do with psychic phenomenon. :)
I think we can all agree that it would be absolutely marvellous if ionic detection worked as advertised. Unfortunately posting lots of affidavits and photographs do not prove the reality of this technology one way or the other. There is still an enormous question mark hanging over ionic detection, and only a double-blind test will satisfy the engineers and scientists here that this is more than hogwash.
Esteban
10-10-2006, 10:08 PM
Simple, because isn't familiar for the persons! I start with long range locators and after use the "normal" detectors. Rare, no?
Esteban
10-10-2006, 10:11 PM
As the photos can't prove nothing that electronic long range metal detector works, also your words can't prove nothing against it!
hawk17966
10-10-2006, 10:12 PM
:)
Esteban:
"Justly for respect to this persons of Serbia I upload in "mytempdir" because they has
problem with dial-up slow internet. So, is very easy save in the hard disk and watch
later...."
Ivconic likes you very much, RObert likes you, Sony likes you and finally me Hawk17966 like you
and your attitude Esteban...
We also respect you a lot, despite some previous posts with a lot of criticism,laugh,peaking,
"naming"........Sometimes man forget good manners....It is a pitty, but that's the way it is!
RObert nick and this Hawk17966 nick is shared by 6 different persons, so it will be so
confusing if all of us start posting our real names!?
Ivconic is one and only person, and Sony is one and only person.....
You already know that ivconic is actually Ivica Conic, but Sony's real name i do not know
either....We are contacting from time to time by mail only.
One of us, ROberts is real RF expert, great personality, famous and respected man...The rest of
us are quite different....
All of this started as a joke....We are sharing one and only pc (on the job, in national TV)
and only one internet conection, when using RObert nick....
But real RObert, the very first one, left national TV for some time ago and started his own
company....The rest of us continued "jokin'" with this thing under his nick....
Some of our posts makes him angry so we started with new nick - Hawk17966......
I also do know for sure that RObert and Ivconic are very good friends, although they do not
meet often,due to huge distance between their homes-over 250 km.....
I also know that Sony and RObert live closely, some 10-15 kms away....
Ivconic is a kind of "lone wolf" and only man who ever met him in personal is RObert, somewhen
at the start of this year....Also Jackdetect was close with ivconic too...
Me,my name is Slobodan, which means nothing to you - of course....
Stevan,Milan,Zivorad,Alex are the rest of "ROberts"......
We do not have any problem with dial-up slow internet at this place,job. So far as i understood
only ivconic have simillar problems cose he is living far away from "city noise",deep in the
mountain....and he is the only one who is using old dial-up.....but anyway
THANK YOU FOR BEING RESONABLE AND UNDERSTANDING for such problems and used "mytempdir"....
So, now i guess i cleared up a bit for you about our personalities and all the mix-up lately..
Esteban we like you and we apreciate your contributions here.....
regards
.................................................. .....................
Hung, we do not like you, and we do not apreciate your apearence here....sorry, that's life!
.................................................. ..........................
But lets back to my question here.....
When i use my conventional MD, in this case it is White's DFX....i am 100% sure about any
"beep" on the field. I do know what metal is underground, i am 80% sure about the depth and
THERE ARE NO OCASSIONALL BEEPS WITH IT! NO,INTERFERENCES,HUMS AND NO RADIO/TV RECEPTION!!!!
Of course DFX is respectfully deep, i can find ring on 50cm depth, coin on 45cm depth....
"Jar with 100 coins" i can locate at 90-120 cm depth with DFX....
SO, what's so good about your mineoro to beat DFX ?
Answer first my question, than later you may spit on my post.....i do not care anyway!
Okantex, you may open a new thread about things you are interested and REAL RObert is gonna
help and contribute there as much as he can...so he told me by phone...
regards with big OYE !
A kind of Serbian humor....you wouldnt understand anyway...
:D
Esteban
10-10-2006, 10:26 PM
Thanks for the clarification.
Hung, we do not like you, and we do not apreciate your apearence here....sorry, that's life!
I know Hung is a good person, he isn't seller or Mineoro's employed. I think you're very hard with him...
hawk17966
10-10-2006, 10:30 PM
:confused:
Only time will tell.....
Dell Winders
10-11-2006, 12:29 AM
Hung, we do not like you, and we do not apreciate your apearence here....sorry, that's life!
:mad: Who is "We" ?
You do not speak for me. I like Hung, and I am interested in the information he provides about Mineoro. Dell
Thanks for you input Dell. 'We' are the Serbians I suppose...
I must say that personal 'likes' and 'dislikes' are inherent to the human being, as long we all respect each other.
I will never answer to personal attacks, bad language or unpolite posts.
We all can agree or disagree about something but keeping it civil. Unfortunately this has not been done lately in these forums.
If I make it to the USA next year, it will be a pleasure to meet you in person.
Seden
10-11-2006, 01:27 AM
I gotta agree with Dell,this we stuff is bogus-speak for yourself. I've been watching this forum for quite awhile to see what would develop on the mineoro detector and am still waiting to see what's inside the sensor. What happened to Alex's progress?
I just bought (off of ebay)a USB O'scope/Spectrum Analyzer and plan on sweeping gold with various kinds of waveforms plus white noise to find the resonance of the grains. Not a perfect system as the grains vary in size from one locale to another but should prove interesting and will post the results.
Right now the best technique for gold grains is Spectral Induced Polarization and beleive it or not the frequency is in the audio range. The frequency which the maximum phase shift occurs is related to grain size,which is higher for the fine grained conductors (Field Geophysics-3rd ed., Milson-Pg.124). I'm wondering if that's what the Mineoro is seeing via the earths Telluric currents.
Just my 2 cents worth.
Randy
michael
10-11-2006, 06:56 AM
Hung is one nice, respectful and respectable man that I have learnt many things from him.
Hung! I send my best greetings and hails to you. please give my best greetings and hails from me to Damasio and Alonso.
of couser some bodies think they are a nation by themselves.
Hung! don't be annoyed, without homeliness, beauty is meaningless.
hawk17966
10-11-2006, 06:57 AM
;)
"... 'We' are the Serbians I suppose..."
Again "Serbians" ??? When i used "we", it means we the ROberts....I can not speak in anybody elses name - of course..
Also "like" is wrong term, sorry.....
We (i Hawk17966 and the rest of man using this nick) do not apreciate your posts here Hung.....
I carefully read every post here, even all of yours....thats why i do not "like"
you and your posts....
To many advertisements, to many unbackuped claims, to many "populistic" theories, to much "sweet" stories....
Thats why!
Otherwise, it is nothing here to"like" or not to "like" about it. We never met,we'll never met....i do noy know anything else about you...i can only make picture of you according to your posts.....
This was, i guess, proper explanation.....since i used again wrong term "like".....
Excuse me for that...as you see my english is limited, so sometimes i can make logical mistake when in hurry...
:p
hawk17966
10-11-2006, 07:01 AM
:)
Michael: "Oh Hung , he is one nice, respectful and respectable man tha I have learnt many things from him."
Fair enough Michael....
:)
hawk17966
10-11-2006, 07:08 AM
:confused:
Michael:
"of couser some bodies think they are a nation by themselves.
Hung, don't be annoyed, without homeliness, beauty is meaningless."
But this one you do not need Michael....If you want to calm down please do
not use wrong terms (same as me in the past)...cose you can provoke new argues here...
Back to subject....
All fair and honest reports about any mineoro device are much welcome by me too.....but FAIR and HONEST...
Unique truth is a sort of experience which all of us can share ! Remeber this!
But many of your experiences Hung, the rest of us can not have although many of us already tested some mineoro devices...FG78,PDC210...etc..
SO YOU JUST CAN NOT COME HERE AND CLAIM YOUR EXPERIENCES AS UNIQUE TRUTH ! THATS WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN DONE SO FAR, AND THATS WHY "WE" DO NOT "LIKE" YOU....
I hope this was enough undestandable for you people....
regards
:rolleyes:
Esteban
10-11-2006, 04:53 PM
Ok, ok, Hawk, but wich are your experiences with Mineoro's detectors? I have tried it for many years and many models and with it you can found items at depth any other kind of detector can't.
hawk17966
10-12-2006, 01:30 AM
:confused: :(
I am not that experienced as you Esteban, of course....
I had chance to check and go on the field with very few of those: PDC210,FG78 and last week with FG80.....None of them is mine,but from people who comes to me to ask for some explanation cose they realised that they made mistake and waste money.....
Many people here have very bad experiences...I do not know,i am not sure...
maybe you and Hung are right....maybe those devices realy works for you...You are in South America,much different climate....We are here in Serbia, east Europe, Balkan peninsula...quite different arean,climate...Maybe there is something different in our ground that bugs mineoro devices to work properly.....
I guess, you just can not beleive that all of those people here are so stupid and unexperienced to not know how to manipulate with devices properly....
Like i said:
"But many of your experiences Hung, the rest of us can not have although many of us already tested some mineoro devices...FG78,PDC210...etc..
SO YOU JUST CAN NOT COME HERE AND CLAIM YOUR EXPERIENCES AS UNIQUE TRUTH ! "
What i ment her is not to argue with Hung but to say that his experience is positive and our is not....period....What reasons??? I do not know...
Since Hung is so persistent in his claims and you backuped him and i know that you are honest man...than i am a bit confused??? Maybe Hung is telling here the truth...But in that case mineoro devices are suitable only for South America climate....for sure NOT for European climate at all, according to experiences so far...
So if it is the case here, than i am very ready to excuse,sorry and bag a HUGE pardon from Hung, You and other here.....
I am not sure yet...
What do you think?
:confused:
:confused: :(
Maybe Hung is telling here the truth...:confused:
I can assure you this is my only intention here.
Findings are reported in South America, Greece, Middle East, USA, etc. Why Serbia would be different?
Esteban
10-12-2006, 02:12 AM
I know these machines uses normal components as BC548, NE555... the same uses by you and others in the world. A problem is the exagerate wet over 80%. Since 55% wet the distance decreases in logarithmic percentage.
From Mineoro's web page:
With a relative humidity of air above 55%, distances of detection diminish in logaritmic percentages.
The limit for the detection is 83% relative humidity of air.
At 83% relative humidity of air, the detector just detects over the buried object.
hawk17966
10-12-2006, 02:14 AM
:confused:
"We are here in Serbia, east Europe, Balkan peninsula...."
Come to think; during last 15 years a few civil wars here, in 1999. NATO agression on Serbia(19 countries,members of NATO all togather bombs Serbia constantly day and night-78 days of bombing),air raids.....blockade....
Maybe to many irradiants here? Who knows?
But NOT only mineoro devices are unusable here, also UG12-Emfad, also OKM Voyager, also many other "HI-Tech" machines lately showed on market....
For example, EMFAD UG12 always shows different picture on lap-top....even when i passed 20 times over the very same spot?????
All 20 pictures are much different??????
I made a test field with big burried barrel filled with Cu parts on 1.1 meters depth.....And when tested EMFAD UG12 ....I'll repeat in capitals:
ALL 20 SHOTS TAKEN WITH IT AT VERY SAME LOCATION,WITH VERY SAME PRESETS SHOWED 20 MUCH...AND I MEAN MUCH DIFFERENT SNAPSHOTS...AND YOU KNOW WHAT??? iN NONE OF THOSE SNAP SHOTS I CAN NOT SEE THAT BARRELL????????
At only 1,1 meteres depth....????? Ts,ts,ts....And that UG12 costed 8000 euros at the time...
On same field tested mineoro devices, OKM Voyager 2005 and few more....
All BUSTED on test!
But White's DFX founded that barrell, Also Garrett GTI2500, also Minelab Relic Hawk..not to mention Pusle Star II, it founded barell even with searc coil lifted one extra meter over ground!
Even handmade Delta Pulse founded that barrell easily....
So, what should be my conclusions here?
Try to "dig" yourself friend.....
Thats why i am so rude,sceptic and blah,blah.....
Same attitude as yours but oposite devices....
Can you explain that to me?
Cose i am confused, i can not give here right explanation at all....
regards
:) :confused:
:confused:
So, what should be my conclusions here?
Try to "dig" yourself friend.....
Thats why i am so rude,sceptic and blah,blah.....
:) :confused:
That's why you should be educated and polite as possible towards us. If you suspect as you said there could be some components involved in Serbia's atmosphere/ground etc. and other detectors have problems there, how can you claim Mineoro detectors are fraud? You should be the first one to admit this remote possiblitly and research it other than bash since many people around the world is having sucess.
Anyway, your region deserves more study to reach to a conclusion.
okantex
10-12-2006, 08:03 AM
hawk
mineoro must work but their explanatios are wrong.because they are just expeerimenters and do explanations according to their test result.
read my mail at challenge page.
EMFAD and mineor works in same manner.
same scientific bases.
just adjustments and antenna directions are different.so one is pinpointer other is LRL.
OKM must see your barrel as RED.
I am agree with you about different sight at software .because they are trics of computer engineers.nothing else.system says there is something at this dept.and software writer give directions to have sight.
as it is mag.
if you go north to south.and if the target is good positioned you could get good pics.but how can you know unknow targets.?
so when you see red or blue you have to dig.even for mineral.
so PI is much better.not effected from mineral.
That's why you should be educated and polite as possible towards us.
This is a fine how-do-ya-do here. You guys come up with this “floating gold ions” scam…and you think others need to be educated and polite?
... how can you claim Mineoro detectors are fraud?
Not only is the electronics in the Mineoro line of long-range locators fraudulent, the theory of operation is not even plausible.
...many people around the world is having sucess.
The only ones having success with this product are the ones selling them to the gullible.
michael
10-12-2006, 11:52 AM
But NOT only mineoro devices are unusable here, also UG12-Emfad, also OKM Voyager, also many other "HI-Tech" machines lately showed on market....iN NONE OF THOSE SNAP SHOTS I CAN NOT SEE THAT BARRELL????????First; how you knew there was a barrel? barrel of what? an hollow iron barrel or full of iron? what was the age of burring?
definitely if was old buried(more than 5 years) was hollow, if full of metal new buried that you couldn't detect at 1.1 m!!!
It's apparent all of treasure (Old aged objects) finder( like as OKM products or mineoro) work based on field. this is the affair that I have experienced myself not based on correspondences or heard theories, rather of tolerating labour.
I have heard some guys before succeeded by Future 2005 C (Voyager) in Iran and found good treasure, but I haven't seen myself. though I don't believe in OKM well.
I think your problems are so that you mostly use borrowed devices which not belong to yourself.
It's obvious a detectorist should work for a while to understand his detector language and behaviors not transient of others .
we have Rover C although haven't found any precious object by it, found out many things.
e.g. the N/S direction is important for searching even in metal detectors. have you experienced this by your own. I put here 3 pic for projects by Rover C that I have before put those in other forums. now ask from all of you (Hung, Esteban, Okantex, Hawk17966/Robert,....) give your viewpoints. What do you guess about ? are different or the same?
after that I'm going to continue the subject.
* the blue parts are hollow (cavity).
In fact the Mineoro detectors are not as important as the phenomena itself discovered by Damasio and Alonso and how they could understand it, allowing them to build a detector that could perform the tasks it does.
As long as this discovery/knowledge is not known, one will speculate on an ordinary and incomplete basis and will always end in a dead end (no pun intended).
Someone brought here a link to ionic explanations, Esteban already pointed as an evidence of this phenomena.
I think by now, it's pretty much settled the understanding that long time buried metals emit ions and electric field and it's relationship to the earth behaviour itself.
I really think whoever fights those evidences by now are the same ones who in the past would be stating the earth was flat.
okantex
10-12-2006, 04:16 PM
hung
their machines must work since emfad works.
just their explanation is wrong.
michael
okms are just magnometers.
with out their last software and super sensor they can not (scientifically) differ even gold and cavity.
magnometers are made for magnetide research.(iron)
first 2 could be same not sure for last.
but be sure if you do not obey using rules of mags. you can not get same screen for same objects at different surveys.
michael
10-12-2006, 06:50 PM
Hi Okantex, thanks your points about magnetometer are right. What about others? Why don't you emit any opinion? I asked each of you by name. Why other professional THs ( like as Hawk/Robert) don't emit any opinion about those? what a brave guys!!!
Qiaozhi
10-12-2006, 11:15 PM
I think by now, it's pretty much settled the understanding that long time buried metals emit ions and electric field and it's relationship to the earth behaviour itself.
That is an incorrect assumption. It is no way "pretty much settled". The patents you have put forward as evidence that longtime buried gold emits ions is in no way related. These patents are referring to a phenomenon known as magnetotellurics - see link -> http://www.emiinc.com/mt.html
This method is looking for variations in the naturally ocurring electromagnetic fields in order to detect large subterranean anomalies, not "sniffing" for gold ions drifting in the wind from small buried objects such as rings or coins. Good try, but no cigar. :D
hawk17966
10-13-2006, 05:05 PM
:confused:
Cant you read michael ???
"I made a test field with big burried barrel filled with Cu parts on 1.1 meters depth....."
This means that I DUG A HUGE HOLE AND PUT THAT BARREL FILLED WITH SCRAP CU ITEMS ,LATER BURRIED,WELL COVERED WITH SOIL....
I done this 2-3 years ago intented as a sort of test field....
What i posted is truth. If you gonna beleive or not - i do not give a ****..
Devices i tested, all of them were mine or from my closest friends....I had those devices by me long time to examine and test,also worked on field with those many times.......I DO NOT BORROW....
Besides, i am to tired to bug my self with you and your questions....
Keep up your "blah,blah...".....
I'll be OFF this nonsences from now on....
:D
Esteban
10-13-2006, 07:09 PM
And more: the techonology is used for others! Part of the page (scientific page) said:
Mobile Metal Ions is a term used to describe ions which have moved in the weathering zone and that are only weakly or loosely attached to surface soil particles. It is a widely held belief that these Mobile Metal Ions are transported from deeply-buried ore bodies to the surface. Scientists from around the world have been studying this phenomenon for many years.
No-one is completely clear on exactly how the metal ions migrate to the surface.
... Because the ions have recently arrived to the surface they provide a precise ‘signal’ on where the ore-bodies are.
* * * * *
The red letters are mine. In the same way, the metal of a treasure can emit mobile ions to the surface.
Here the link:
http://www.sciencewa.net.au/science_rd.asp?pg=111
So, the rest of the job is yours: classify the ions.
michael
10-13-2006, 08:06 PM
hey hawk123656123
I intended not disrespect you and never have done this, this is clear in my post am astonished why you wrote so!!!
although I had no decision to answer you but you not deserve to be respected . learned persons are humble, but you... highly arrogant
the guy who is blind is you. who is deaf is you.
It's apparent you talk in this manner even with your family, friends,...everybody maybe have opinions little opposite to yours. an arrogant man when encounters to rights are bitter for him uses so many inepts (i am to tired to bug my self with you and your questions....Keep up your "blah,blah..."..... I'll be OFF this nonsences from now on...."
from what you mentioned it declares worse; you never understood detectors.
see, oh not because your eyes are closed to truths. why? because you are really blind maybe have 2 eyes on head but a really blind. 2-3 years ago... see, you are blind less than 5 or 10 is not enough. why we found so many irons very smaller than that barrel in depths 1-2 meters with Rover C which has much less resolution than 2005 C?
than we can realise your judgements about other things (MDing, LRLing, LDLing).
I asked you serious question not to ridicule you, but you, what? can't answer like as human.
surely discipline and etiquette is not in your ghost. your breeding caused so.
this kind of my answer was your fault not me. I apologize others here. maybe these disputes continue here, then in advance I apologize other members for probable much more unpleasant phrases using here . this blithering idiot pushed me to run my fingers so on keyboard.
hawk17966
10-13-2006, 09:58 PM
:rolleyes:
Michael you may be angry...but i would like to awoid you and your further comments....You showed already as very "pesty"....I do not want to talk with you here...simple - i do not have time and nervs for you....Period...
By the way, if you insist here is that barell i've been talking about...of course it should be any barrell on the snap shot...isnt it?
(This is of course from UG12 Emfad's....in case you do not know....also i payed 8000 euros for it at the time...few years ago...IT IS MINE-NOT BORROWED)
If you recognize barell on this photo, than i am very stupid man and you are genius ! Congratulation forever!
bye,bye
:rolleyes:
hawk17966
10-13-2006, 10:06 PM
:mad:
"I think your problems are so that you mostly use borrowed devices which
not belong to yourself.It's obvious a detectorist should work for a while
to understand his detector language and behaviors not transient of others..."
First you are acusing me to be ignorant who only borrows devices from others for
hour or two and according to that short experience acts like expert.....
Than you posted....
"I intended not disrespect you and never have done this, this is clear in my post
am astonished why you wrote so!!!"
What else could be disrespect than what you posted above????
What do you expect.....You are making me ignorant and than wait me to thank you????
Michael...RObert,Ivconic and SOny already "gave you foot"....now is my turn!
Do not reply on my posts and good by michael...I do not "peak" you, you must not
"peak" me....Deal?
:mad:
Qiaozhi
10-13-2006, 10:54 PM
And more: the techonology is used for others! Part of the page (scientific page) said:
Mobile Metal Ions is a term used to describe ions which have moved in the weathering zone and that are only weakly or loosely attached to surface soil particles. It is a widely held belief that these Mobile Metal Ions are transported from deeply-buried ore bodies to the surface. Scientists from around the world have been studying this phenomenon for many years.
No-one is completely clear on exactly how the metal ions migrate to the surface.
... Because the ions have recently arrived to the surface they provide a precise ‘signal’ on where the ore-bodies are.
* * * * *
The red letters are mine. In the same way, the metal of a treasure can emit mobile ions to the surface.
Here the link:
http://www.sciencewa.net.au/science_rd.asp?pg=111
So, the rest of the job is yours: classify the ions.
You are taking this data out of context. The information in the above link also says "At the surface the ions are subject to weathering and are bound up by soil forming processes (i.e. they become part of the soil)."
As you can readily see, any ions that have migrated to the surface are incapable of detaching themselves from the soil and floating off on the wind, and eventuallly finding themselves sucked into the sensor of a Mineoro. In any case, gold does emit ions, even if it's buried for a million years.
Esteban
10-14-2006, 12:04 AM
No necessary to floating, I never said these ions are floating. I said there are an electric difference in the soil capable to be detect. The company uses chemical method for to evaluate commercial possibilities. But you can use electronic methods.
In any case, gold does emit ions, even if it's buried for a million years.
This is the same opinion of Carl. The page don't specify about what kind of ions can migrates, but YOU know!!!!
Can you asure? Can you demonstrate? Can you show me a page wich demonstrates your aseveration? The theme is this: mobile metalic ions in the soil from depth. No more.
Yes, I post twice.
Qiaozhi
10-14-2006, 01:03 AM
In any case, gold does emit ions, even if it's buried for a million years.
Oops! I meant to write "gold does not emit ions".
But I guess you understood anyway. :D
Esteban
10-14-2006, 01:07 AM
Yes, I understood. My first intention was to mark the word in italic, but I leave it.
michael
10-14-2006, 07:56 AM
Hawk!
first; I not more stay off you. push this in your ear.
If I showed already as very "pesty" what have you shown yourself?
a witan, a polite? no , a "pollutant Virus".
About Robert, Sony all are the same one person YOU....
If you want to "give a foot" no problem, surely will get it return more intensified.
and from now I won't sit and undergo your pejoratives or any body .
but Ivconic personality is different of you. at least is more polite than you and somewhere put some useful info and helped us thanks him, but what's your quale?
just some battling, humiliating, spitting,........... a heavy dossier.
oh pardon me for this tone, again you were faulty pushed me to it.
back to subject; from BORROWED ... I really had no intention to disrespect you, as I seriously thought it's so, you could simply deny it and I apologized you. not to answer angrily. if you got so I apologize you.
we could share our info. anyway you before mentioned about Future 2005
it doesn't concerns to emfad and no I'm not high genius to talk about
what have no experience with. I don't know about it's graph.
my purpose of putting the pics was to compare them. they are from
the same exact place with constant field length and searched surface,
1,2 E/W and 3 N/S direction. there is a well that opening is buried about
1 meters under ground. just in N/S see the right shape of cavity whereas
it's round. then we can focus to change searching to N/S dir.....and....
I wanted to continue this discussion to mineoro and even MDind.....
but you broke this discussion and pulled it to nowhere, spoiled it. for what ? nothing, just because you don't like me for a very idle purposes.
it could be good discussion. anyway if here is person who have experiences with future series We can share info each other.
Qiaozhi
10-14-2006, 11:44 AM
Yes, I understood. My first intention was to mark the word in italic, but I leave it.
Thanks. :)
Esteban
10-14-2006, 09:43 PM
Ok. :)
hawk17966
10-15-2006, 04:29 AM
:confused:
...
:confused:
aft_72005
05-14-2009, 10:24 AM
Okantex: the tune frequency of Mineoro is only in the loop. This is in the region of the khz.
Zahori is different. The normal is near 100 hZ. At more high frequency the sensibility is poor. This frequency discharge the telescopic antenna of straneous charges.
I'll scan the DCH series manual of the years 1985, 86, 87 and 88. Some models of this years are similar in operation's principle. I'll collect these and put in forum.
I'll scan the DCH series manual of the years 1985, 86, 87 and 88. Some models of this years are similar in operation's principle. I'll collect these and put in forum.[/
Hi Esteban :)
Please upload or send me DCH manual .
Thanks for trouble
Best regards
Esteban
05-14-2009, 04:57 PM
Is in Portuguese language. Let me know if you want!
Esteban
Is in Portuguese language. Let me know if you want!
Esteban
Portuguese... spanish... whatever... the problem is that what's in the manual is pseudo-science at best! :lol:
I think he's interested anyway... cause translators exist... :razz:
But, of course, why I made such a post ??? :D
Better I will focus back on serious things... like understanding how the hell a rodent repeller can be converted to a working LRL... seems too new-age issue but probably Alonso made it happens in the 70's...
Anyway, what about your cousin Alonso !? Hope he's well... I'd like to hear from him directly about these wonderful (hopefully) technologies of lrl... and how to make such funky things with so few resources....
Anyway, kind regards to mr. Alonso too!;)
Max
Esteban
05-15-2009, 03:00 AM
Portuguese... spanish... whatever... the problem is that what's in the manual is pseudo-science at best! :lol:
I think he's interested anyway... cause translators exist... :razz:
But, of course, why I made such a post ??? :D
Better I will focus back on serious things... like understanding how the hell a rodent repeller can be converted to a working LRL... seems too new-age issue but probably Alonso made it happens in the 70's...
Anyway, what about your cousin Alonso !? Hope he's well... I'd like to hear from him directly about these wonderful (hopefully) technologies of lrl... and how to make such funky things with so few resources....
Anyway, kind regards to mr. Alonso too!;)
Max
The tweeter system only was capable for to detect at few meters. I have silver recipient (maybe 250 grams) buried at 75 cm depth and was detectable very well, but at 4-5 meters. As I told you, ultrasonic also is used for to reveal imperfections in structures and other things. He has capable for to use any system come in his mind an be workable, but he don't reveal his secrets...
Hi.
Before about 15 years, one electronic engineer made a LRL with ultrasonic. He used a depth-meter for boats, he put inside 2 pcbs and the detector had the ability to detect 1kgr thin papers of gold at 100m. He made some clones (about 10) but all had the same problems, bad stability and burned a transistor. Now i cant find any clone of this ultrasonic detector. I try for it at least 5 years ago. The ultrasonic depth-meter was a Conion firm with a AM radio on it. The one pcb was a oscillator but the other ????:(:(
I wrote all these to say that i agree with Esteban, ultrasonic work for lrl but i dont know yet How????
Regards:)
aft_72005
05-15-2009, 07:25 AM
Is in Portuguese language. Let me know if you want!
Esteban
Hi Estabn :)
I cannot read it , :frown:
Is it exist English language .
Best regards.
Esteban
05-16-2009, 01:13 AM
Hi Estabn :)
I cannot read it , :frown:
Is it exist English language .
Best regards.
Hi aft_72005
Have not in English. Maybe can be scaned with OCR in word and translated to English.
Regards
Esteban
aft_72005
05-16-2009, 03:35 AM
Hi aft_72005
Have not in English. Maybe can be scaned with OCR in word and translated to English.
Regards
Esteban
Hi Esteban :)
Please give me DCH 85 manual.
I will try it with translator.
Thanks for trouble you have taken in the matter.
BEST REGARDS.
Esteban
05-18-2009, 04:40 AM
For the persons that understand Portuguese and Spanish, maybe Italian, the manual. Enter the code and wait the counter ends and download:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=K1066GRC
aft_72005
05-18-2009, 07:39 AM
For the persons that understand Portuguese and Spanish, maybe Italian, the manual. Enter the code and wait the counter ends and download:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=K1066GRC
Hi Esteban :)
THNKING SO MUCH .:):):):)
Best regards.
Esteban
05-18-2009, 02:55 PM
This is in concordance with the famous column of ions: emission of ionic vertical lines, translated from the Portuguese, in red square mark.
I'm ultrashure that exists a kind of emission from this targets buried for long time!
This is in concordance with the famous column of ions: emission of ionic vertical lines, translated from the Portuguese, in red square mark.
I'm ultrashure that exists a kind of emission from this targets buried for long time!
Esteban, how can you be sure it is an emission instead or absorbtion?
Esteban
05-18-2009, 07:00 PM
The machine absorpts the "emission". I build a 3 antennas instrument used in origin for to enlarge a short signal million times, so this circuit was capable for to capture "the phenomenon". This instrument reveals very sensitive and stable at the point that "the phenomenon" caused for an old rifle 7.62 cartridge, used in a revolution of 1947, for example, shows a big angle in detection, but no much distance, this is "infernal" in the nearby, but when I pass the "emission area", the detection stops. Is some difficult find the target, but is there. Lead produce short beep and only you found the lead targets when you pass over it. When I build it, the first time, detect very well an oxidated nail, and I "cure" it with 15-18 megohm resistor.
Once, I walk and obtain a signal with continuity, but at short distance. I watch in the site and saw a hollow in a tree at the level of the soil. So, I "aimed" the antenna towards it and detection was more strong. Was caused by stainless steel coin and at first time was detected in lateral position! This coin material is very good and is rare to found attacked by oxidation.
When you experiment and go in the field, you can obtain response of such "phenomenon".
Regards
Esteban
When you experiment and go in the field, you can obtain response of such "phenomenon".
Regards
Esteban
:lol: llevas razón Esteban,
I should quit my chair and go to the field.Computer radiation is not good anyway...
Esteban
05-18-2009, 07:14 PM
:lol: llevas razón Esteban,
I should quit my chair and go to the field.Computer radiation is not good anyway...
The lasts months also I'm fixed on the chair! :lol:
Theseus
05-18-2009, 09:07 PM
This is in concordance with the famous column of ions: emission of ionic vertical lines, translated from the Portuguese, in red square mark.
I'm ultrashure that exists a kind of emission from this targets buried for long time!
Why do you suppose this "emission" has managed to escape detection by rational science, through all these years?
Why do you suppose this "emission" has managed to escape detection by rational science, through all these years?
This is why i think "absorption" is more a possibility.
Qiaozhi
05-18-2009, 11:50 PM
This is why i think "absorption" is more a possibility.
Why do you suppose this "emission" has managed to escape detection by rational science, through all these years?
Actually, it's probably neither absorption or emission. Just another "trick of the mind". :frown:
Morgan
05-19-2009, 12:57 AM
Actually, it's probably neither absorption or emission. Just another "trick of the mind". :frown:
Hi Qiaozhi
You look to me very inteligent and calm person,please not become so skeptic . Try to understand how this phenomenon works,why this phenomenon exist,and not have doubt about one reality comfirmed by many people.
You can be sure this PHENOMENON create by underground metals EXIST !
Regards
Actually, it's probably neither absorption or emission. Just another "trick of the mind". :frown:
Yes maybe,
But technically i have not found evidence that it is impossible,and theoricaly it seems to make sense.
Esteban
05-19-2009, 01:50 AM
Don't remember that scientists go in the field with pistol and measure such phenomenon... :lol:
But the "emission" also can be associated with re-radiated signal of RF... is a some complex thing...
J_Player
05-19-2009, 05:10 AM
I'm ultrashure that exists a kind of emission from this targets buried for long time!
Originally posted by Fred
Esteban, how can you be sure it is an emission instead or absorbtion?
Originally posted by Esteban
The machine absorpts the "emission". I build a 3 antennas instrument used in origin for to enlarge a short signal million times, so this circuit was capable for to capture "the phenomenon". This instrument reveals very sensitive and stable at the point that "the phenomenon" caused for an old rifle 7.62 cartridge, used in a revolution of 1947, for example, shows a big angle in detection, but no much distance, this is "infernal" in the nearby, but when I pass the "emission area", the detection stops. Is some difficult find the target, but is there. Lead produce short beep and only you found the lead targets when you pass over it. When I build it, the first time, detect very well an oxidated nail, and I "cure" it with 15-18 megohm resistor.Hi Esteban,
You describe the machine of 3 antennas designed to enlarge a short signal a million times, so it is capable of capturing emissions. What kind of short signal is this machine designed to capture?
A charge in the air?
A radio signal?
A magnetic fluctuation signal?
Current leaking through an insulator?
HF noise like from sparks?
Ground current anomalies?
Voltage gradients?
X-rays?
Maybe this machine responds to all of the things I listed, or some of them. But How does this prove that there are emissions, rather than absorption? Isn't it possible that it is responding to something that is neither an emission or absorption?
Perhaps posting the schematic for this machine would help to show what kind of signal it is capable of enlarging.
Best wishes,
J_P
Qiaozhi
05-19-2009, 10:04 AM
Hi Qiaozhi
You look to me very inteligent and calm person,please not become so skeptic . Try to understand how this phenomenon works,why this phenomenon exist,and not have doubt about one reality comfirmed by many people.
You can be sure this PHENOMENON create by underground metals EXIST !
Regards
The PD is the only LRL that holds any interest for me. All the other devices based on dowsing nonsense, such as the RT Examiner and Omnitron, are just junk.
However, I remain to be convinced of the PHENOMENON. At this time it still seems to be a trick of the mnd.
What double-blind testing have you done to make absolutely certain you are not actually fooling yourself into believing something that is not true?
You have to admit that human beings do have a remarkable capacity for self-deception.
Why do you suppose this "emission" has managed to escape detection by rational science, through all these years?
:lol::lol::lol: What?!
Your questions just show how gullible and ignorant you and the other skepthics here are. At least 'geoskepthic' could produce better 'lineage' of skeptics with deeper scientifc knowledge. Instead what we get here? Children with high school physics...:lol:
Now answering your question:
Why do you suppose this "emission" has managed to escape detection by rational science, through all these years?
For the same reason that this same '(ir)rational science was torn in pieces by the Explorer I orbital episode in 1958 and had to be re-written to explain how antigravity affected the perigees and apogees data received and caused to throw Newton's Law all over the garbage can, simply because it's wrong.
Von Braun was the only one to understand what happened in the beginning, then when Van Allen and Pickering figured out what was happening, many years had passed and it was all covered up for more than 50 years now!
And they did not even bother to tell you!!:lol::lol:
Go on , with your amazements, infant child of science! They only have just begun...
Theseus
05-19-2009, 12:34 PM
:lol::lol::lol:
Your questions just show how gullible and ignorant you and the other skepthics here are. At least 'geoskepthic' could produce better 'lineage' of skeptics with deeper scientifc knowledge. Instead what we get here? Children with high school physics...:lol:
In an effort to hide your own reliance on pseudo science, you accuse true scientists and rational science of being out of step with your "kitchen" and "garage" - built contraptions.
Your attempts are quite humorous but nevertheless very lacking in substantiation and validity. Are you some kind of LRL comedian?
Your failed "debunkering" reminds me of a couple well known axioms:
Simple truths about nature can't choose to hide from the skeptical minds and be seen by the gullible at the same time.
...and
Witchcraft always has a hard time, until it becomes established and changes its name. (would that be absorption or radiation)
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I do appreciate your humor, but I think it might be wasted here.
Qiaozhi
05-19-2009, 02:09 PM
:lol::lol::lol: What?!
Your questions just show how gullible and ignorant you and the other skepthics here are. At least 'geoskepthic' could produce better 'lineage' of skeptics with deeper scientifc knowledge. Instead what we get here? Children with high school physics...:lol:
Now answering your question:
For the same reason that this same '(ir)rational science was torn in pieces by the Explorer I orbital episode in 1958 and had to be re-written to explain how antigravity affected the perigees and apogees data received and caused to throw Newton's Law all over the garbage can, simply because it's wrong.
Von Braun was the only one to understand what happened in the beginning, then when Van Allen and Pickering figured out what was happening, many years had passed and it was all covered up for more than 50 years now!
And they did not even bother to tell you!!:lol::lol:
Go on , with your amazements, infant child of science! They only have just begun...
But still no debunkering! :shrug:
I'm glad I wasn't holding my breath... :razz:
Von Braun was the only one to understand what happened in the beginning, then when Van Allen and Pickering figured out what was happening, many years had passed and it was all covered up for more than 50 years now!
Hung,
I you want to contine comparing yourself with Von Braun, you will have to explain your theory too, not keep it secret :razz:
J_Player
05-19-2009, 02:33 PM
But still no debunkering! :shrug:
I'm glad I wasn't holding my breath... :razz:No debunkering happened?
Wheeeeeewww :eek:
I guess no rebunkering is needed at this time.
Best wishes,
J_P
Rebunkering all that has been debunkered
The reactions from both of you are expectable.
Sorry for hurting some feelings.
Indeed, each one of us has his/her own time for awakening. Yours have not come yet, but eventualy it will as evolution always takes its course.
Anyway, live a happy life and conquer your truths everyday. Help the poor and spread love and goodwill to all.
This is what really matters.
Qiaozhi
05-19-2009, 03:09 PM
Indeed, each one of us has his/her own time for awakening. Yours have not come yet, but eventualy it will as evolution always takes its course.
People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. :nono:
Theseus
05-19-2009, 03:15 PM
The reactions from both of you are expectable(sic).
Well, good; I would hate to surprise you.
You will be surprised enough if you ever remove your head from the sand and look around you --examining all the real science and technology that has passed you by while all this time you have wasted on pseudo and wish science.
:shrug: ...and still no debunkering. The only conclusion we can reach is that you have no way to debunker rational science. Maybe you should consider changing your sig block.
Indeed, each one of us has his/her own time for awakening. Yours have not come yet, but eventualy it will as evolution always takes its course.
:lol: I really like your sense of humor :lol:
Too bad you´r in the wrong forum.Here it´s metal prospecting you know...:cool:
Hi Qiaozhi
You look to me very inteligent and calm person,please not become so skeptic . Try to understand how this phenomenon works,why this phenomenon exist,and not have doubt about one reality comfirmed by many people.
You can be sure this PHENOMENON create by underground metals EXIST !
Regards
Hi,
if so, and you're so sure... why don't you try to describe it... from any point of view like these: static voltage ? dc current ? rf hum ? ions ? infrared ? ultrasonics ? whateveryouwant ?
Try... we'll listen to you...if arguments will give something interesting to investigate! :rolleyes:
Kind regards,
Max
Esteban
05-19-2009, 05:26 PM
Hi Esteban,
You describe the machine of 3 antennas designed to enlarge a short signal a million times, so it is capable of capturing emissions. What kind of short signal is this machine designed to capture?
A charge in the air?
A radio signal?
A magnetic fluctuation signal?
Current leaking through an insulator?
HF noise like from sparks?
Ground current anomalies?
Voltage gradients?
X-rays?
Maybe this machine responds to all of the things I listed, or some of them. But How does this prove that there are emissions, rather than absorption? Isn't it possible that it is responding to something that is neither an emission or absorption?
Perhaps posting the schematic for this machine would help to show what kind of signal it is capable of enlarging.
Best wishes,
J_P
J_P:
At the end, is variation of voltage or magnetic field or the both at same time, but only items buried for long time is capable for to present the phenomenon, except if the target is directly over the sand and exposed at light of Sun, this is, hot. Near the surface is more ease to detect.
I remember that a friend (he is no technician, just treasure hunter, but intelligent person) leave at Sun a piece of medium size copper plate. 1 hour later, the plate is hot (here the Sun is strong). He adjust the pistol (in this case IB + RF detector) and detect at sight at 2 meters. When quite the plate, detection dissapears. I learn this from him.
A day, I was searching with pistol and obtain many beeps with continuity. I watch in the soil and saw over the sand (exposed at Sun) a 1/4 coin (cutted), silver. When quite the metal of the site detection dissapears, no trick of the mind.
Similar occurs with a bronze 1944 coin (exposed at Sun over the sand in a stream) and a piece of copper wire, green, so many "coincidences"...
Maybe my language is not the scientifically enough for to convince you. But you have the luck that I manage "some English". ;)
Regards
Esteban
Esteban
05-19-2009, 05:39 PM
The PD is the only LRL that holds any interest for me. All the other devices based on dowsing nonsense, such as the RT Examiner and Omnitron, are just junk.
However, I remain to be convinced of the PHENOMENON. At this time it still seems to be a trick of the mnd.
What double-blind testing have you done to make absolutely certain you are not actually fooling yourself into believing something that is not true?
You have to admit that human beings do have a remarkable capacity for self-deception.
Will be trick of mind if you don't CONTRAST with different pistols, 3 antennas, IB, absorptive (toroidal coil, receiver), etc., and obtain the beeps only in the site and you move and "attack" from all directions for to find the best position and found the target, is not trick of mind.
I'm the first person who don't wish to auto-lie. :cool:
Qiaozhi
05-19-2009, 09:59 PM
I remember that a friend (he is no technician, just treasure hunter, but intelligent person) leave at Sun a piece of medium size copper plate. 1 hour later, the plate is hot (here the Sun is strong). He adjust the pistol (in this case IB + RF detector) and detect at sight at 2 meters. When quite the plate, detection dissapears. I learn this from him.
A day, I was searching with pistol and obtain many beeps with continuity. I watch in the soil and saw over the sand (exposed at Sun) a 1/4 coin (cutted), silver. When quite the metal of the site detection dissapears, no trick of the mind.
Your English is very understandable, but I don't understand what you're saying above (in red). Do you mean "quiet". If so, in what way is it quiet?
Your English is very understandable, but I don't understand what you're saying above (in red). Do you mean "quiet". If so, in what way is it quiet?
No, it´s "remove" , from "quitar", to remove.
Morgan
05-20-2009, 01:57 AM
The PD is the only LRL that holds any interest for me. All the other devices based on dowsing nonsense, such as the RT Examiner and Omnitron, are just junk.
However, I remain to be convinced of the PHENOMENON. At this time it still seems to be a trick of the mnd.
What double-blind testing have you done to make absolutely certain you are not actually fooling yourself into believing something that is not true?
You have to admit that human beings do have a remarkable capacity for self-deception.
I know that,but hundreds of targets i have found with PD,and like Esteban,i also studing the PHENOMENON.
Morgan
05-20-2009, 02:14 AM
Hi,
if so, and you're so sure... why don't you try to describe it... from any point of view like these: static voltage ? dc current ? rf hum ? ions ? infrared ? ultrasonics ? whateveryouwant ?
Try... we'll listen to you...if arguments will give something interesting to investigate! :rolleyes:
Kind regards,
Max
I simplificate those things,it exist emission of energy from high conductive buried metals,and Pistoldetektor detect this emissions(only if well tuned Omega+Ferrite),when the target is a big conductive mass(example of my 300 silver coins i have recently found) the PD detects at 15 m,but when near the spot,it overload the circuits,probably very big signal emanations,thats what i know.
If even during 20 years Esteban not understand completly the PHENOMENON,what i can tell to you about it ???
Qiaozhi
05-20-2009, 10:00 AM
No, it´s "remove" , from "quitar", to remove.
Thanks Fred.
Now it makes sense. :)
Qiaozhi
05-20-2009, 10:04 AM
I know that,but hundreds of targets i have found with PD,and like Esteban,i also studing the PHENOMENON.
That sounds quite impressive, considering you have not had the PD working properly for very long.
What are the "hundreds of targets" you have found, and at what depth?
I'm more interested in the depth, rather than saying that the target was first detected 10m away.
Qiaozhi
05-20-2009, 01:57 PM
"Should exist injustice and untruths towards working LRLs, I'll show up to debunker the big mouths"
I guess it's time for you to change your signature from "debunkering" to "debunking", which was clearly the original intention.
With so many hints, it's surprising that you didn't get the message. :rolleyes:
I guess it's time for you to change your signature from "debunkering" to "debunking", which was clearly the original intention.
With so many hints, it's surprising that you didn't get the message. :rolleyes:
Sure he can't get the message... you have to speak his language... :D or her language... confusing stuff! :stars:
Do you understand which is that language ??? It starts with G! :rolleyes:
Didn't you look at picture above... :lol:
Kind regards,
Max
I miss RObert in this thread :rolleyes:
I miss RObert in this thread :rolleyes:
Well... he probably would write not just the initial letter "G" but GAIL !:lol:
You know... people that don't see use BRAILLE... other people could use something else... :razz:
I miss Robert too... now! :D
OK... but all that story what have to do with Remote Sensing ??? :shocked:
I think better to stop right now... and focus on real DEBUNKERING.
Hung what about your transistors ??? Still burnt ???
I don't understand how the hell you made a working PD with LRL capability and other people here don't.... please explain! :D
Kind regards,
Max
Carl-NC
05-20-2009, 05:07 PM
I have cleaned out the nonsense posts from this thread, because things were rapidly degenerating toward incivility.
LRL discussions tend to be pretty animated, and I try to give both sides a little extra leeway so I'm not constantly deleting posts. Please stick to the topic at hand and cut out the personal jabs. Everyone.
Thanks,
Carl
Congrats for being a competent administrator and making the intervention on time.
The minimum expected for now on is the respect missed from the very early days of this forum several years ago.
Congrats for being a competent administrator and making the intervention on time.
The minimum expected for now on is the respect missed from the very early days of this forum several years ago.
Hi,
ok ok... clearing the BS is positive here... cause there was too much...
but then
so what about that burnt transistors ??? cannot sleep without knowing about ! :rolleyes:
One thing I miss from the main plot here... what about your modified ranger tell ??????
Kind regards,
Max
I have cleaned out the nonsense posts from this thread, because things were rapidly degenerating toward incivility.
LRL discussions tend to be pretty animated, and I try to give both sides a little extra leeway so I'm not constantly deleting posts. Please stick to the topic at hand and cut out the personal jabs. Everyone.
Thanks,
Carl
Hi Carl,
yes, well done... was a little trashy thread with all that strange girls...
Hope people here will focus JUST on LRL... though seems not easy cause there some phenomenon that avoid good, sharp focus on that topic!:cool:
Kind regards,
Max
Morgan
05-20-2009, 11:02 PM
That sounds quite impressive, considering you have not had the PD working properly for very long.
What are the "hundreds of targets" you have found, and at what depth?
I'm more interested in the depth, rather than saying that the target was first detected 10m away.
Depth,is not a problem for Pistoldetektor LRL,i know that becouse some objects i found out of range of my NEXUS,i get them after take out the first 20 cm of ground to get signal with MD to pinpoint(example,one silver coin 50 cm underground) i trace the place with PD 3m distance. And my 300 silver coins was 80 cm,i found remains of old wood box...
It seems this emissions floating above the buried targets.
Depth,is not a problem for Pistoldetektor LRL,i know that becouse some objects i found out of range of my NEXUS,i get them after take out the first 20 cm of ground to get signal with MD to pinpoint(example,one silver coin 50 cm underground) i trace the place with PD 3m distance. And my 300 silver coins was 80 cm,i found remains of old wood box...
It seems this emissions floating above the buried targets.
Hi Morgan,
I do not understand... you used your nexus MD to pinpoint then reused the LRL from far and get detection...
OK , but: NEXUS has one of most powerful TX we know... resonant tx tank... that will not match with Esteban's esplaination of PD.
He wrote you DON'T have to scan the area with a conventional MD cause the oscillator of MD will destroy (maybe he wrote "consumes" ?) the target's signal picked up by the LRL device... and took much time to regenerate, maybe YEARS!
That's what I remember from Esteban's posts...
Now you tell us you used one of the most powerful tx oscillators out there... and then you STILL detected target by the PD LRL ??? :D
I think you and Esteban must find some kind of agreement on that... I think one of you is wrong about or you're both wrong! :lol:
Kind regards,
Max
Qiaozhi
05-21-2009, 10:21 AM
Hi Morgan,
I do not understand... you used your nexus MD to pinpoint then reused the LRL from far and get detection...
OK , but: NEXUS has one of most powerful TX we know... resonant tx tank... that will not match with Esteban's esplaination of PD.
He wrote you DON'T have to scan the area with a conventional MD cause the oscillator of MD will destroy (maybe he wrote "consumes" ?) the target's signal picked up by the LRL device... and took much time to regenerate, maybe YEARS!
That's what I remember from Esteban's posts...
Now you tell us you used one of the most powerful tx oscillators out there... and then you STILL detected target by the PD LRL ??? :D
I think you and Esteban must find some kind of agreement on that... I think one of you is wrong about or you're both wrong! :lol:
Kind regards,
Max
This is a good question that needs to be answered.
It is all very well putting forth theories that are difficult to substantiate, without later presenting conflicting information.
Either a conventional MD destroys (or consumes) this "target signal" or it doesn't. Which is it? :???:
This is a good question that needs to be answered.
It is all very well putting forth theories that are difficult to substantiate, without later presenting conflicting information.
Either a conventional MD destroys (or consumes) this "target signal" or it doesn't. Which is it? :???:
Hi,
yes, that's the point here.
Esteban wrote that the MD consumes the target "energy field"... Morgan , at the opposite side, wrote that the NEXUS md will not destroy the field... cause he can read signals with the PD LRL.
Now... we live in one world... subject to the same physics... and assuming that Morgan perfectly cloned Alonso's PD the question is ... how the hell that results are such different when reported by different people ?
Now, I see no way that , if a phenomenon really exist and devices are made the same or work the same, it could be consumed or not depending on who made the test or where the test is made! :???:
That seems to me that are very personal interpretations of "how" the PD "reacts" to the supposed phenomenon we are talking about.
That will add points to the "trick of mind" explaination of all that stuff...
But lets see what they will answer about...
Kind regards,
Max
so what about that burnt transistors ??? cannot sleep without knowing about ! :rolleyes:
This happened in the first version of PD two years ago. It was just one transistor that malfunctioned due to a broken collector in consequence of my endless tweakings. Nothing else.
One thing I miss from the main plot here... what about your modified ranger tell ??????
What about it?
I only built a box putting some electronics inside, an opamp for instance, eliminating the swivel and getting rid of the calculator. I lost all other functions tough except the one to react to target's location trough a led. It had some flaws, as the original is built to work under tiny micro currents and micro inductions played by the calculator much like a compass interacting with the user. It's a little hard to electronically replicate this effect because when amplified, a lot of noise come in also...
But you are sure the RT moves by ideomotor, so what's the point?
Why an ordinary compass needle can move and the RT's antenna cannot if it's the same magnetic occurence just in different degrees?
I shall say that this box is not the LRL system device our team achieved. I already said that we only used the RT's concept and the mod done as a reference to what we have now. I will not talk about this tough.
The physics behind the RT?
The same one that rules the law of charges and radio emissions but without the ortodox view one might have if he does not research it deeply, making experiments.
Remember when science was fun and a lot of experimenters got locked all day in their labs discovering new things? This just do not happen anymore. Science stuck with biased assumptions and many are wrong! Take the Explorer I case I told for instance... Fifty years of cover ups to hide the true force which pushed the rocket's apogee many miles above expected.
Take electrostatics for instance. No complementary research was done anymore. Only data available is from late 19th, early 20th century.
No wonder, (official and divulged) science ignores the long time buried metals phenomena among many others.
Morgan means he uses his Nexus as a final pinpoint to the target. This has to be done as the last step, because if the target is small, the fields around it will be 'consumed' and destroyed.
Depending on how long the metal is buried, it can take minutes, hours, days or weeks to be formed again.
Congrats for being a competent administrator and making the intervention on time.
The minimum expected for now on is the respect missed from the very early days of this forum several years ago.
Hi Hung,
I glad you liked,
Do you realize that you are the one that had the more deleted posts?
To recognise your mistakes is a big progress.Congratulations!
Do you realize that you are the one that had the more deleted posts?
But not the one who started it all.
Theseus
05-21-2009, 01:24 PM
Morgan means he uses his Nexus as a final pinpoint to the target. This has to be done as the last step, because if the target is small, the fields around it will be 'consumed' and destroyed.
Depending on how long the metal is buried, it can take minutes, hours, days or weeks to be formed again.
These fields (of yours) must be pretty fragile. ;) Would walking through them also destroy them? What about nearby lightening strikes; will that destroy them too?
Take electrostatics for instance. No complementary research was done anymore. Only data available is from late 19th, early 20th century.Give me a break. Just because you are not privy to the on-going research, does not mean it is not happening. FURTHER - If you are so interested in bringing your "new electrostatic findings" to a level of acceptance, why don't you explain your experiments right here along with examples of the instruments used to verify these findings. Validation can only come after others replicate and validate the observations. Without validation your claims are nothing more than empty wish and pseudo science theories.
Qiaozhi
05-21-2009, 01:43 PM
What about it?
I only built a box putting some electronics inside, an opamp for instance, eliminating the swivel and getting rid of the calculator.
Hmmm ... if you removed the swivel handle and the calculator, then there wasn't a lot left. Just a few disconnected wires and some hot glue. :shocked:
Still ... if you added an opamp, then it's bound to be much better than it was before. :rolleyes:
Morgan
05-21-2009, 01:59 PM
This is a good question that needs to be answered.
It is all very well putting forth theories that are difficult to substantiate, without later presenting conflicting information.
Either a conventional MD destroys (or consumes) this "target signal" or it doesn't. Which is it? :???:
Hi Qiaozhi
Today i made the film,as i promise.
First i get one buried target with PD,max. distance 3m,and its possible to confirm when PD more near the ground,there is one short STOP in beep buzzer,this happens very often. then i check the target with Tesoro Eldorado MD,it detects the target only near the surface...
As you will see in films,the signals are very good,maybe its one coin.I put one stone near the object ,for orientation.I detect Nort to South direction,no doubts,it irradiate more to Nort.
I will send LRL films to Esteban and he put in UTUBE for everybody analize PHENOMENON.
Regards
Morgan
05-21-2009, 02:06 PM
Don't remember that scientists go in the field with pistol and measure such phenomenon... :lol:
But the "emission" also can be associated with re-radiated signal of RF... is a some complex thing...
Hello Esteban
Today i made the LRL films. Detection of one buried object 3 m distance with Alonso PD(during this week original PD its with me). And then i detect the same target with T-Eldorado metaldetector.I think its one coin.
I ask you to put films in Utube,for everybody to see,and study the Phenomenon.
Regards
Qiaozhi
05-21-2009, 02:32 PM
Hi Qiaozhi
Today i made the film,as i promise.
First i get one buried target with PD,max. distance 3m,and its possible to confirm when PD more near the ground,there is one short STOP in beep buzzer,this happens very often. then i check the target with Tesoro Eldorado MD,it detects the target only near the surface...
As you will see in films,the signals are very good,maybe its one coin.I put one stone near the object ,for orientation.I detect Nort to South direction,no doubts,it irradiate more to Nort.
I will send LRL films to Esteban and he put in UTUBE for everybody analize PHENOMENON.
Regards
Thanks. I look forward to seeing that. :thumb:
Morgan
05-21-2009, 03:02 PM
Hi Morgan,
I do not understand... you used your nexus MD to pinpoint then reused the LRL from far and get detection...
OK , but: NEXUS has one of most powerful TX we know... resonant tx tank... that will not match with Esteban's esplaination of PD.
He wrote you DON'T have to scan the area with a conventional MD cause the oscillator of MD will destroy (maybe he wrote "consumes" ?) the target's signal picked up by the LRL device... and took much time to regenerate, maybe YEARS!
That's what I remember from Esteban's posts...
Now you tell us you used one of the most powerful tx oscillators out there... and then you STILL detected target by the PD LRL ??? :D
I think you and Esteban must find some kind of agreement on that... I think one of you is wrong about or you're both wrong! :lol:
Kind regards,
Max
Hello MASTER p00p
you understand me wrongly. I dont say that...
I agree with Esteban,but phenomenon regenerate in the next minutes or hours.
As you can read in my other thread,first i use PD to locate the target,and then scan&check the place with NEXUS,NO SIGNALS,then i take out 20cm of ground(in the place PD give the continuous beeps),et voilá,my NEXUS detect old silver coin at 30cm. It was at 50 cm before,and PD detect from 3m away.
Kind regards
Hello MASTER p00p
you understand me wrongly. I dont say that...
I agree with Esteban,but phenomenon regenerate in the next minutes or hours.
As you can read in my other thread,first i use PD to locate the target,and then scan&check the place with NEXUS,NO SIGNALS,then i take out 20cm of ground(in the place PD give the continuous beeps),et voilá,my NEXUS detect old silver coin at 30cm. It was at 50 cm before,and PD detect from 3m away.
Kind regards
Bonsoir mon pOupe :lol:
All the times that I spot a serious difference you say that I understud it wrong... ok, ok...
So that's same for others not only me... or maybe it's you... maybe your grasp on the poupe is not so strong... ops... I meant on english! :lol:
Little lapsus... you know... the poupe is much... :lol:
Hope you're ready to detect coins in the old time buried pile... :D
Kind regards,
Max
J_Player
05-22-2009, 06:09 AM
The machine absorpts the "emission".
Originally posted by J_Player
Hi Esteban,
You describe the machine of 3 antennas designed to enlarge a short signal a million times, so it is capable of capturing emissions. What kind of short signal is this machine designed to capture?
A charge in the air?
A radio signal?
A magnetic fluctuation signal?
Current leaking through an insulator?
HF noise like from sparks?
Ground current anomalies?
Voltage gradients?
X-rays?
Maybe this machine responds to all of the things I listed, or some of them. But How does this prove that there are emissions, rather than absorption? Isn't it possible that it is responding to something that is neither an emission or absorption?
Originally posted by Esteban
J_P:
At the end, is variation of voltage or magnetic field or the both at same time, but only items buried for long time is capable for to present the phenomenon, except if the target is directly over the sand and exposed at light of Sun, this is, hot. Near the surface is more ease to detect.
I remember that a friend (he is no technician, just treasure hunter, but intelligent person) leave at Sun a piece of medium size copper plate. 1 hour later, the plate is hot (here the Sun is strong). He adjust the pistol (in this case IB + RF detector) and detect at sight at 2 meters. When quite the plate, detection dissapears. I learn this from him.
A day, I was searching with pistol and obtain many beeps with continuity. I watch in the soil and saw over the sand (exposed at Sun) a 1/4 coin (cutted), silver. When quite the metal of the site detection dissapears, no trick of the mind.
Similar occurs with a bronze 1944 coin (exposed at Sun over the sand in a stream) and a piece of copper wire, green, so many "coincidences"...Hi Esteban,
Thank you for your dissertation on detection disappearing when you remove the target. This is interesting information. But it does not answer my question.
My main question was:
"How does this prove that there are emissions, rather than absorption? Isn't it possible that it is responding to something that is neither an emission or absorption"? What I am trying to find out is "how do you know this machine is absorbing emissions"?
From what you have posted, it appears that your machine is only showing different "beeping responses" when the target is removed, which has convinced you that your machine is absorbing emissions. However, I am not convinced. I do not believe there are any emissions from the "phenomenon" area except an increase in radionuclides for long time buried metals. And it also seems that your machine is not capable of counting radionuclides. Therefore, I speculate that you are detecting an anomaly of some sort, -- not emissions.
In the case of metal at the surface, the primary anomalies that come to mind are centered around radio reception, passive antenna elements, and possible voltage anomalies, not emissions.
Have you seen some evidence to convince you that your machine is absorbing emissions that you have not posted about yet?
Best wishes,
J_P
Esteban
05-22-2009, 04:02 PM
Hello Esteban
Today i made the LRL films. Detection of one buried object 3 m distance with Alonso PD(during this week original PD its with me). And then i detect the same target with T-Eldorado metaldetector.I think its one coin.
I ask you to put films in Utube,for everybody to see,and study the Phenomenon.
Regards
Put the code. Wait the end of the counter, maybe 45 s, and download. The Morgan's films:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=A7Q8AZIU
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=MDQLG7JG
Esteban
05-22-2009, 04:16 PM
Hello MASTER p00p
you understand me wrongly. I dont say that...
I agree with Esteban,but phenomenon regenerate in the next minutes or hours.
As you can read in my other thread,first i use PD to locate the target,and then scan&check the place with NEXUS,NO SIGNALS,then i take out 20cm of ground(in the place PD give the continuous beeps),et voilá,my NEXUS detect old silver coin at 30cm. It was at 50 cm before,and PD detect from 3m away.
Kind regards
Is better don't use MD in your test area for pistol because the oscillations consumes the phenomenon. We leave a MD in on 1 hour in the site used for try pistol. This consume totally and the "charge" was restarted in many days due the detector was put by 1 hour. Also rays in the nearby consumes it.
Esteban
05-22-2009, 04:25 PM
Hi Esteban,
Thank you for your dissertation on detection disappearing when you remove the target. This is interesting information. But it does not answer my question.
My main question was:
"How does this prove that there are emissions, rather than absorption? Isn't it possible that it is responding to something that is neither an emission or absorption"? What I am trying to find out is "how do you know this machine is absorbing emissions"?
From what you have posted, it appears that your machine is only showing different "beeping responses" when the target is removed, which has convinced you that your machine is absorbing emissions. However, I am not convinced. I do not believe there are any emissions from the "phenomenon" area except an increase in radionuclides for long time buried metals. And it also seems that your machine is not capable of counting radionuclides. Therefore, I speculate that you are detecting an anomaly of some sort, -- not emissions.
In the case of metal at the surface, the primary anomalies that come to mind are centered around radio reception, passive antenna elements, and possible voltage anomalies, not emissions.
Have you seen some evidence to convince you that your machine is absorbing emissions that you have not posted about yet?
Best wishes,
J_P
Hi J_P
I use "emission" because some very sensitive instrument that enlarge a short pulse 100,000,000 times show the target in wide angle, so is difficult to centrate due the anomaly. But the anomaly only is detectable or better detectable when target is buried for many years and near surface, 10-30 cm. When small target is very deeply maybe you obtain few detection or only a beep, except if the mass is a treasure.
I use "absorption" because I consider that a loop with a toroid can absorb some magnetic-electric anomaly around such targets.
Regards
Esteban
Hi J_P
I use "emission" because some very sensitive instrument that enlarge a short pulse 100,000,000 times show the target in wide angle, so is difficult to centrate due the anomaly. But the anomaly only is detectable or better detectable when target is buried for many years and near surface, 10-30 cm. When small target is very deeply maybe you obtain few detection or only a beep, except if the mass is a treasure.
I use "absorption" because I consider that a loop with a toroid can absorb some magnetic-electric anomaly around such targets.
Regards
Esteban
Now I don't understand a word... sorry. :D
I think this LRL is something black magic maybe... need some shimano stuff... or something cause I don't have a clue of how that stuff will detect any target.
What does it mean you think the toroid catch signal by absorption ???
It's not the meaning of JP words: he asked why you're so sure there's emission and not absorpption BUT at target... not at detector.
It's self-explaining that e.g. a receiver... magnetic receiver (like your toroid stuff) will get part of energy of supposed signal (a magnetic signal in that case) cause it's how a magnetic receiver is supposed to work...
I really don't understand why don't you answer about questions but other issues...
Do you have any dubt that e.g. a tape recorder head emits energy ??? :lol:
From when ? Usually tape heads are passive receivers...inductive sensors... the magnetic dipoles "stored" on the tape and moving when tape moves make dphi/dt... then you have a dphi/dt (the flux variation vs time) related voltage signal at tape head due to the magnetic induction at coil there.
What the hell you mean the toroid absorpiton ??? Dang... it's impossible talking of serious stuff here...
Kind regards,
Max
Is better don't use MD in your test area for pistol because the oscillations consumes the phenomenon. We leave a MD in on 1 hour in the site used for try pistol. This consume totally and the "charge" was restarted in many days due the detector was put by 1 hour. Also rays in the nearby consumes it.
So... one says that the MD has no effect.... the other says that the phenomenon is consumed by the oscillator of MD...
Then what do you all understand by that ??? :lol:
I understand that even people that say they have working LRLs have a clear idea of influence of e.g. an extrenal oscillator near the target! :rolleyes:
In the better scenario... they all have a different view and perspective of LRL beeps... that's what I say.;)
Kind regards,
Max
Esteban
05-22-2009, 11:03 PM
We need two forums: a place in where you post jokes and other more serious.
Do you have any dubt that e.g. a tape recorder head emits energy ??? :lol:
In "record" mode it does...to erase the tape :razz:
J_Player
05-23-2009, 05:07 AM
I use "emission" because some very sensitive instrument that enlarge a short pulse 100,000,000 times show the target in wide angle, so is difficult to centrate due the anomaly. But the anomaly only is detectable or better detectable when target is buried for many years and near surface, 10-30 cm. When small target is very deeply maybe you obtain few detection or only a beep, except if the mass is a treasure.
I use "absorption" because I consider that a loop with a toroid can absorb some magnetic-electric anomaly around such targets.From what you are saying, this machine uses a toroid coil as a sensor in a passive receiver. is this correct? And the pulse stretcher is showing that there is a pulse being sensed in the toroid coil?
If I am correct, then you are saying that long time buried metals near the surface occasionally give a very short electromagnetic pulse that can be sensed with a toroid coil, and these pulses can be seen if you have an amplifier that can stretch the pulse to a viewable width and display it. When the long time buried metal is removed from the ground, then these pulses no longer can be sensed.
Therefore this machine is absorbing emissions from long time buried metals. Is this correct?
Best wishes,
J_P
detectoman
05-23-2009, 08:43 AM
hello; i think one treasure have 3 principal fhurter emisions, differents, and 9 low secundary subemision, all diferent, all these can be detected for multiply ways, too for ultrasound, infrared and others
dman.
J_Player
05-23-2009, 11:22 AM
hello; i think one treasure have 3 principal fhurter emisions, differents, and 9 low secundary subemision, all diferent, all these can be detected for multiply ways, too for ultrasound, infrared and others
dman.Hi Dman,
Can you list the 3 principle emissions that you think a single treasure has, and the 9 low secondary submissions?
There may be a language difference between the English meaning and the Spanish meaning of the word "emission". When we say the word "emission" in English, we are usually talking about discharging or expelling something that is sent out from the metal. This is not the same as when a metal is causing a deformity in the magnetic field of the earth. ie: When a buried iron plate deforms the field of the earth, and you can detect this with a magnetometer, then this iron plate is not considered to be making an emission. It is only causing a local anomaly in the earth's field.
When we say a metal is making an emission we are usually talking about the metal discharging or expelling something such as listed below:
The metal can emit subatomic particles (gamma emission)
The metal can emit heat (hot metal sending out heat)
The metal can emit light (very hot glowing metal)
The metal can emit a charge (sending out electrons or charged particles that you collect in a drift tube or other charge collector)
Maybe the metal can emit an electronic pulse as in Esteban's description, if that pulse originates in the metal, not from the earth's magnetic field, earth's electric field, from broadcast radio waves, from a lightning storm in the distance, or other naturally occurring signal from outside the buried metal.
Some other properties that can be detected are not emissions. These would include simple anomalies in the earth's magnetic field, the earth's electric field, the earth's space charges, etc. The reason I was asking Esteban, is to try to determine if the long time buried metal is actually sending out a signal that originates in the buried metal and surrounding soil, or if this phenomenon area is only causing some other normally occurring earth signal to be amplified and made detectable when long time buried metal is under the ground nearby.
Best wishes,
J_P
In "record" mode it does...to erase the tape :razz:
Yes sure... :D
I had to write "player" not recorder!
I put it wrong.... but of course the play-head doesn't emit anything.... just get signals from dphi/dt stuff... magnetic induction.
Kind regards,
Max
From what you are saying, this machine uses a toroid coil as a sensor in a passive receiver. is this correct? And the pulse stretcher is showing that there is a pulse being sensed in the toroid coil?
If I am correct, then you are saying that long time buried metals near the surface occasionally give a very short electromagnetic pulse that can be sensed with a toroid coil, and these pulses can be seen if you have an amplifier that can stretch the pulse to a viewable width and display it. When the long time buried metal is removed from the ground, then these pulses no longer can be sensed.
Therefore this machine is absorbing emissions from long time buried metals. Is this correct?
Best wishes,
J_P
I think too he wrote that things... at least I understud like you... then there will be something at target... or target itself that will generate that short EM pulses the toroid coil will "see".
But an ultrashort pulse ??? :D
That seems fiction... I can understand if he wrote e.g. electric potential or magnetic anomaly... but a pulse ??? ultrashort also ??? picoseconds ???
We heard of picoseconds before... with e.g. Iconos faked leCroy screenshot... do you remember ? :lol:
Ok... I try to be more serious... and try to suppose what can generate an ultrashort (in duration) EM pulse...
I see just one possible explaination: nuclear particles... if a nuclear particle will e.g. "stimulate" a back emission of an EM quantum the Esteban's theory of ultrashort EM pulse could have a physics explaination...
Suppose e.g. the gold target is sorrounded by e.g. some gold ions (we know that's possible somehow in very small quantities over very long time buried stuff... in ideal environment for that): a gold ion or dispersed atom could absorb some incident particle energy and scatter back some short EM pulse... why not ?
The problem is that the supposes device MUST catch that scattering... and this couldn't be so simple in reality... unless using e.g. some photomultiplier tube or similar stuff... I don't see in simple PD pistols and the like...
So what ?
I don't know... maybe is just a big PILE required for such scattering... :lol:
Kind regards,
Max
J_Player
05-23-2009, 01:33 PM
But an ultrashort pulse ??? :D
That seems fiction... I can understand if he wrote e.g. electric potential or magnetic anomaly... but a pulse ??? ultrashort also ??? picoseconds ???
We heard of picoseconds before... with e.g. Iconos faked leCroy screenshot... do you remember ? :lol:Hi Max,
I remember the picoseconds and the fake oscilloscope screen from paint shop editing shown by Iconos. This pulse sounds similar to what Esteban is describing. Also I recall a discussion between Geo and Esteban where words were said about Esteban's connections with Iconos, that Esteban denied. But this tells us nothing about the mystery pulse, whether it is emitted from gold and soil, or only amplified by the anomaly.
I see just one possible explaination: nuclear particles... if a nuclear particle will e.g. "stimulate" a back emission of an EM quantum the Esteban's theory of ultrashort EM pulse could have a physics explaination...
Suppose e.g. the gold target is sorrounded by e.g. some gold ions (we know that's possible somehow in very small quantities over very long time buried stuff... in ideal environment for that): a gold ion or dispersed atom could absorb some incident particle energy and scatter back some short EM pulse... why not ?
The problem is that the supposes device MUST catch that scattering... and this couldn't be so simple in reality... unless using e.g. some photomultiplier tube or similar stuff... I don't see in simple PD pistols and the like...Yes, it is true that long time buried gold usually does release ions into the soil which can emit gamma radiation due to the interaction of other incident subatomic particles. Long time buried gold has been detected by sensing this exact radionuclide emission for several decades using a photomultiplier tube as you described. The rocket scientists who built this sensing equipment were never successful in sensing and stretching a very short EM pulse from a coil coinciding with the gamma capture, and displaying the pulse on an oscilloscope,.
Best wishes,
J_P
Aparently the effect works with any metal, not only gold. Aluminium in particular seem to be a good metal for LRL...
J_Player
05-23-2009, 02:28 PM
Aparently the effect works with any metal, not only gold. Aluminium in particular seem to be a good metal for LRL... Hi Fred,
Large deposits of gold, copper, silver, aluminum, tin, lead, and even petroleum have been found by counting the radionuclide emissions from long time buried ores in survey studies.
Best wishes,
J_P
Esteban
05-23-2009, 02:58 PM
The amplifier I use is for to capture short 20 ns pulses that can be enlarged 100,000,000 times. This simple circuit exists. In general, I use an antenna here.
I consider that the targets buried for long time produces spontaneous potential:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spontaneous_potential (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spontaneous_potential)
Max, never I said that the target emmits nanosecond pulses. Just refer need a rapid system for to "assure" the detection: Stretcher in this case.
Max, you made false interpretation. Max, you're very confussed. :stars:
Regards
Esteban
Esteban
05-23-2009, 04:09 PM
If is possible monitoring such variation of voltage and "see" differences between 1 milivolt to 1 volt along 1 km ("infinite"), so I can detect few meters with my detectors. :shrug:
Esteban
05-23-2009, 04:34 PM
"Battery" into the Earth by metal and ores, etc. Of course, I think that this is the motive why solid good conductive metalic body buried for long time causes MORE REMARCABLE effects.
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/176058/Earth-exploration/57247/Electrical-and-electromagnetic-methods
Esteban
05-23-2009, 05:22 PM
From what you are saying, this machine uses a toroid coil as a sensor in a passive receiver. is this correct? And the pulse stretcher is showing that there is a pulse being sensed in the toroid coil?
If I am correct, then you are saying that long time buried metals near the surface occasionally give a very short electromagnetic pulse that can be sensed with a toroid coil, and these pulses can be seen if you have an amplifier that can stretch the pulse to a viewable width and display it. When the long time buried metal is removed from the ground, then these pulses no longer can be sensed.
Therefore this machine is absorbing emissions from long time buried metals. Is this correct?
Best wishes,
J_P
Various methods into this category.
1. Toroidal with loop as antenna, only for electromagnetic variations.
2. Toroidal with stretcher.
3. Stretcher with antenna. This shows "high" electrical "activity" due open base stretcher amplify millions times and can shows weak variation as a great "signal".
Respond the red part. If the circuit is the enough sensitive, when you remove the target and plant it immediately, few detections occurs, but go in degradation. Now, and this is the incredivel part (this can be discovered because whe investigate, not only recover the target), if you remove the target, the detection occurs in the empty place by short time. And dissapears. We call this effect "remanence". So, we conclude that the target affects the place. In 30 seconds or less, dissapears the "phenomenon". We made this experiment when found a good silver XIX century buckle buried at 15 cm.
Hi Max,
I remember the picoseconds and the fake oscilloscope screen from paint shop editing shown by Iconos. This pulse sounds similar to what Esteban is describing. Also I recall a discussion between Geo and Esteban where words were said about Esteban's connections with Iconos, that Esteban denied. But this tells us nothing about the mystery pulse, whether it is emitted from gold and soil, or only amplified by the anomaly.
Yes, it is true that long time buried gold usually does release ions into the soil which can emit gamma radiation due to the interaction of other incident subatomic particles. Long time buried gold has been detected by sensing this exact radionuclide emission for several decades using a photomultiplier tube as you described. The rocket scientists who built this sensing equipment were never successful in sensing and stretching a very short EM pulse from a coil coinciding with the gamma capture, and displaying the pulse on an oscilloscope,.
Best wishes,
J_P
Hi JP,
thanks for remember to me that facts , I remember also you had discussions with the scientist (german rocket scientist if I remember well) about all that stuff.
Sure, I also belive in e.g. ore sensing by gamma rays... I do belive that all that technology is far more actractive than simple devices like e.g. rf receivers we see posted here.
It's a big challenge detecting such small gamma emission from gold or other material , but possible and fully explained by particles physics... so I do strongly belive in that technology.
I had experiences working for a while for a big oil/gas company (developing software mostly) but then I saw also, on teh field, the real cool stuff... gamma well logging sensors! :cool:
So I know very well the effectiveness of such kind of sensors...and technologies... and not only for the use in boreholes. Some are passive only but some are like gamma camera, there's a source of radiations then a sensor collects scattered emissions from rocks.
And... what to say... they was Shlumberger stuff... and they really rocks!:D
I think LRL guys will never spot which technology level we are talking about... :lol:
Kind regards,
Max
Hi Fred,
Large deposits of gold, copper, silver, aluminum, tin, lead, and even petroleum have been found by counting the radionuclide emissions from long time buried ores in survey studies.
Best wishes,
J_P
holy words.
Esteban
05-23-2009, 05:53 PM
Hi JP,
thanks for remember to me that facts , I remember also you had discussions with the scientist (german rocket scientist if I remember well) about all that stuff.
Sure, I also belive in e.g. ore sensing by gamma rays... I do belive that all that technology is far more actractive than simple devices like e.g. rf receivers we see posted here.
It's a big challenge detecting such small gamma emission from gold or other material , but possible and fully explained by particles physics... so I do strongly belive in that technology.
I had experiences working for a while for a big oil/gas company (developing software mostly) but then I saw also, on teh field, the real cool stuff... gamma well logging sensors! :cool:
So I know very well the effectiveness of such kind of sensors...and technologies... and not only for the use in boreholes. Some are passive only but some are like gamma camera, there's a source of radiations then a sensor collects scattered emissions from rocks.
And... what to say... they was Shlumberger stuff... and they really rocks!:D
I think LRL guys will never spot which technology level we are talking about... :lol:
Kind regards,
Max
Only talking... Maybe you can't put all this big apparatus into a handle pistol, so is not practical here. If you work in oil company, don't know why you don't know about this spontaneous potential occurs in Earth causes by ores and oxidized metals...
Regards
Esteban
If is possible monitoring such variation of voltage and "see" differences between 1 milivolt to 1 volt along 1 km ("infinite"), so I can detect few meters with my detectors. :shrug:
Hi,
no... I'm not so confused...
But you are when talk of 1Km far away detection...
In SP measures there's a ground electrode that is connected to ground far from the actual electrode-probe you use to take measures.
The fact is that one electrode (the static one) is put into the ground at a very great distance from the place where you take readings.
Then the other probe will be in the place where need to read the voltage.
Just that. It's not remote , 1Km away detection, the probe you use for reading voltage in a point is just in contact with that point over the soil (or in the borehole in the case of logging).
The measure of SP this way have nothing to do with remote sensing.
If you mean instead that you can read small potential changes by electrometer, so not touching the soil, but by e.g. electrostatic induction I say it's possible with a sensitive electrometer... I think this is the idea of using zahori circuits: spotting electrostatic anomalies... like a small drop in the potential at a fixed height.
Now it's clear ? :rolleyes:
Kind regards,
Max
Only talking... Maybe you can't put all this big apparatus into a handle pistol, so is not practical here. If you work in oil company, don't know why you don't know about this spontaneous potential occurs in Earth causes by ores and oxidized metals...
Regards
Esteban
Hi,
indeed I know that from many years... :D but the way I know is different from proposed remote sensing... you have to place electrodes , one fixed in the groudn, the other into the well... that touch where to measure...
indeed there are multiple logging sensors on same "head" fro that and SP electrode is just one
BTW I do not work at now for any oil/gas company and I'm not a geologist... so even if I know some of these stuff don't mean I have a crystal clear picture of e.g. reactions involved... but remember one friend there at geo-department of that ...company had maybe hundreds of books on that topic! :lol: Must ask him! :cool:
Kind regards,
Max
detectoman
05-23-2009, 10:02 PM
i cant say exackly what emisions, i know these for law of analogies, may be, energy elecricity and micro particulas ( ions ) in the subemisions, may be radiation, gas, field, magnetic electostatic static and others, all these can be detect for ideonus apropiate s detector
so need very power rx, ics are inahabilited due to nearby of components, these derivate the interaccions in hig gain, may be, i m only teorically and study fenomens in general, not in minucious specifications
may be too these anyone energy of treasure can be detect for human hig sensitivity and concentration
jajaja or whit ideomotor, and wires in hands clear in optimes circumstances
one man of mexico detect only whit palm of hands and discriminate gold or silver jajaja i not see these i look the report in page of hunters in internet buscadores de tesoros, but msn go out these group
bye apologies for my bad english
i am of new shoes whit my new pc congratulations me hahaha jajaja
detectoman
05-23-2009, 10:07 PM
apologies, 3 principal emissions, electricity waves, frecuence oscilation, and 3 principal rx , in form absortive, rf heat etc the idea is these
not alone one emission, or radiation, but very much, one short distance other hig distance but major quest to internet jajajaj
J_Player
05-24-2009, 12:00 AM
Only talking... Maybe you can't put all this big apparatus into a handle pistol, so is not practical here. If you work in oil company, don't know why you don't know about this spontaneous potential occurs in Earth causes by ores and oxidized metals...
Hi Esteban,
These are not the same as the isotope detectors used in oil well heads. The probes sent down an oil shaft are used to identify changes in the composition of the soil, in hopes of determining what kind of soil conditions and probablility of oil below. The gamma sensors built by the rocket scientists were designed to be used above ground. They are designed to be used for surveying a large area of land for minerals by using the detector on foot, in car, in airplane, or in a satellite. From foot distance or from satellite distance, the detector can pinpoint ore deposits up to 5000 feet deep below the surface. It has been used to locate petroleum deposits up to 10,000 feet deep.
The early isotope detectors of the 1970s were bulky, taking the space of 4-5 cubic feet. But in the 1980s a portable version was built that was the size of a laptop computer of 4 inches depth which ran on rechargeable nicad batteries. It had a sensor head 1-1/2 inch diameter x 10 inch long connected by a cable 6 feet long. Most of the space inside this 1980s detector was taken by discrete logic chips used to discriminate and for counting and driving displays. Only a small high voltage section for the photomultiplier.
If this same device was built today using modern display drivers, it could easily be built much smaller, maybe the size of a pistol detector, with the sensor head mounted inside.
Best wishes,
J_P
i cant say exackly what emisions, i know these for law of analogies, may be, energy elecricity and micro particulas ( ions ) in the subemisions, may be radiation, gas, field, magnetic electostatic static and others, all these can be detect for ideonus apropiate s detector
so need very power rx, ics are inahabilited due to nearby of components, these derivate the interaccions in hig gain, may be, i m only teorically and study fenomens in general, not in minucious specifications
may be too these anyone energy of treasure can be detect for human hig sensitivity and concentration
jajaja or whit ideomotor, and wires in hands clear in optimes circumstances
one man of mexico detect only whit palm of hands and discriminate gold or silver jajaja i not see these i look the report in page of hunters in internet buscadores de tesoros, but msn go out these group
bye apologies for my bad english
i am of new shoes whit my new pc congratulations me hahaha jajaja
Congrats for the new PC! :D
Morgan
05-24-2009, 11:43 AM
Only talking... Maybe you can't put all this big apparatus into a handle pistol, so is not practical here. If you work in oil company, don't know why you don't know about this spontaneous potential occurs in Earth causes by ores and oxidized metals...
Regards
Esteban
hello Esteban
Can you put this videos i sent to you ,in Rapidshare,for everybody to see ,you know better how to do this,thanks.
After see this films,if someone still with doubts,this target and other targets still here for study phenomenon.
Regards
Esteban
05-24-2009, 11:45 PM
hello Esteban
Can you put this videos i sent to you ,in Rapidshare,for everybody to see ,you know better how to do this,thanks.
After see this films,if someone still with doubts,this target and other targets still here for study phenomenon.
Regards
I put 2 days ago on megaupload with simple explanations for to download... nobody read?
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12144&page=2
I put 2 days ago on megaupload with simple explanations for to download... nobody read?
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12144&page=2
Wrong link i´m afraid.
And no i didn´t see it.:)
Esteban
05-25-2009, 02:54 AM
Wrong link i´m afraid.
And no i didn´t see it.:)
In the link of Geotech I post the 2 megaupload links.
Qiaozhi
05-25-2009, 03:28 AM
I put 2 days ago on megaupload with simple explanations for to download... nobody read?
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12144&page=2
In the link of Geotech I post the 2 megaupload links.
I have not seen a link to the video. The one you've just supplied points to an old thread on Geotech, but again no link to a Youtube video. :shrug:
I have not seen a link to the video. The one you've just supplied points to an old thread on Geotech, but again no link to a Youtube video. :shrug:
I saw them but had no time to check the videos... the post is somewhere back in pile...
If I'll find that post I will link here...
Kind regards,
Max
here it is:
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=90420&postcount=125
it's post #125
Kind regards,
Max
Esteban
05-25-2009, 01:56 PM
Megaupload links.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=A7Q8AZIU (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=A7Q8AZIU)
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=MDQLG7JG (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=MDQLG7JG)
Here the capture of page in wich was posted the above 2 links: (So, Geotech fails?)
Thanks
Max´s info was OK,
About the videos,
Frankly if i didn´t knew were the target was,i would have dificulties to find it only with the beeping ...:p
Morgan
05-26-2009, 12:08 AM
Thanks
Max´s info was OK,
About the videos,
Frankly if i didn´t knew were the target was,i would have dificulties to find it only with the beeping ...:p
Becouse of this dificulty,i put one stone as reference to target, when make the films...
Becouse of this dificulty,i put one stone as reference to target, when make the films...
This is what is bothering me, if the PD was working really well the stone would not be necessary...
Qiaozhi
05-26-2009, 03:49 PM
Becouse of this dificulty,i put one stone as reference to target, when make the films...
In the video I did not see you switch off the ferrite circuit, when you got closer to the target, so that you could pinpoint with the omega coil.
Am I missing something here?
Esteban
05-26-2009, 04:49 PM
In the video I did not see you switch off the ferrite circuit, when you got closer to the target, so that you could pinpoint with the omega coil.
Am I missing something here?
New idea on RSP forum.
Morgan
05-27-2009, 02:31 AM
In the video I did not see you switch off the ferrite circuit, when you got closer to the target, so that you could pinpoint with the omega coil.
Am I missing something here?
Hello
PD detection consist in two diferent behavior,when using Omega+Ferrite:
1- When detection of target start a few meters distance , always need triangulation N,S,E.W, for better understand where is the object.
If object is producing big signal(big object,or very conductive),the PD detect more far away but this signals are flouting(flying) over and around the spot,and when i lower PD to groud near the object,it always cut the signal.You can see in the film,it cut the signal when i lower PD,and then start beeps when i pinpoint. This objet is buried maybe 15 or 20 cm,becouse TESORO MD detect,and it sounds like one coin.
2-If objet is more near the surface,PD will pinpoint very easy when the Omega is touching the ground over the spot.
But if object is very deep,the PHENOMENON is flying around,can be detected meters away ,i find his direction very easy(a lot of continuous beeps),but when lower PD near target, the signal desapear,so i need to scan the place with my NEXUS.
So,always very small objects and near the surface are easy to locate and pinpoint with PD.
Esteban
05-27-2009, 02:36 AM
Hello
PD detection consist in two diferent behavior,when using Omega+Ferrite:
1- When detection of target start a few meters distance , always need triangulation N,S,E.W, for better understand where is the object.
If object is producing big signal(big object,or very conductive),the PD detect more far away but this signals are flouting(flying) over and around the spot,and when i lower PD to groud near the object,it always cut the signal.You can see in the film,it cut the signal when i lower PD,and then start beeps when i pinpoint. This objet is buried maybe 15 or 20 cm,becouse TESORO MD detect,and it sounds like one coin.
2-If objet is more near the surface,PD will pinpoint very easy when the Omega is touching the ground over the spot.
But if object is very deep,the PHENOMENON is flying around,can be detected meters away ,i find his direction very easy(a lot of continuous beeps),but when lower PD near target, the signal desapear,so i need to scan the place with my NEXUS.
So,always very small objects and near the surface are easy to locate and pinpoint with PD.
True. When you're near the target, the signal dissapear, don't know if the body interacts and "robs" the "phenomenon". Also was described for me.
Morgan
05-27-2009, 02:41 AM
In the video I did not see you switch off the ferrite circuit, when you got closer to the target, so that you could pinpoint with the omega coil.
Am I missing something here?
THE ORIGINAL PD FROM ALONSO, as the 3 position switch,and he told to the owner:
Position to FRONT, it will find only precious metals. (its only directional ferrites working)
Center Position- Desactivated.
Position to back- It will detect most of conductive metals at distance.
So ,not exist in this device one short range pinpointer. Acording Alonso,this PD is a complete LRL,all non ferrous metals,and only precious metals.
Morgan
05-27-2009, 02:46 AM
True. When you're near the target, the signal dissapear, don't know if the body interacts and "robs" the "phenomenon". Also was described for me.
Yes,Esteban,and i think i understand why this happens.
I think its becouse PHENOMENON (TRANSMITION OF SIGNAL WAVES) overload PD RECEIVER,
if you try LRL device near TV,it happens the same,with MINEORO the same...
Yes,Esteban,and i think i understand why this happens.
I think its becouse PHENOMENON (TRANSMITION OF SIGNAL WAVES) overload PD RECEIVER,
if you try LRL device near TV,it happens the same,with MINEORO the same...
Hi.
Connect a meter at the out of demodulate diode to see if it is overload or no. Also you can connect a digital voltmeter.
My ferrite receiver works near TV, the same when i had the PDC-210
True. When you're near the target, the signal dissapear, don't know if the body interacts and "robs" the "phenomenon". Also was described for me.
This happens for small objects, but it's not the main cause for lack of pinpointing.
The fields around the object are pulsed. There's a void around it which makes the emanated field become 'doughnut' shape.
detectoman
05-28-2009, 10:22 AM
hey hung and morgan, i think the lrl is how one light beam, only far away can iluminate, near no
oigan hung y morgan yo creo que el haz de deteccion de un lrl es como un faro de luz que no puede iluminar a lo cercas sino que lanza la luz hacia lo lejos, por eso al acercarse al lugar donde esta el objeto, no puede cubrir ese plano de deteccion ya que lo lanzo hacia adelante
el haz de deteccion de un lrl es como una luz del lazer pero con un cono circundante, en el centro es mas potente, y en la periferia es mas debil, y se puede enfocar o se puede perder el punto de enfocamiento igual que una lampara
he alli lo que algunos no entienden ademas los objetos enterrados tienen diferentes emisiones , tres principales, tambien diferencian esas emisiones o radiaciones de acuerdo al metal que hay enterrado y como esta conformado, suelto en una caja, tipo de tierra, humedad, etc
unos lrls son mejores en ciertos terrenos que en otros
esa es la idea
un abrazo lrlsman
detectoman
05-28-2009, 10:25 AM
i'm only theoric, imnt expert in build circuits, one day i show one sample of my rustic work
best whises
dman
Morgan
05-30-2009, 02:30 AM
Hi.
Connect a meter at the out of demodulate diode to see if it is overload or no. Also you can connect a digital voltmeter.
My ferrite receiver works near TV, the same when i had the PDC-210
This depends on size of TV...
takhslambos
10-17-2011, 07:44 PM
.....please i need the manual of mineoro dch 85m in english.can you send it to me???or can you tell me how can i used it????i think is the first model the old one.hade two dotons on the side ...one is write zero and turned 90 degrees the other ir write( min normal max and off).and above of this two bottons is one switcher( on off).at the back of the machine is two red lambs one botton write( N 4 6).also above of the machine next to the speeker is one black two positions botton.can you please tell what is all bottons are???who can i used the mineoro ?????THANKS......
?who can i used the mineoro ?????THANKS......
Very simple, you even do not need any manual.
DCH-85M work without batteries the same way as with battery.
This is very simple turn and go away LRL.
folharin
10-17-2011, 11:37 PM
dch is garbage do not waste your time with him!
LRLMAN
10-18-2011, 12:30 AM
.....please i need the manual of mineoro dch 85m in english.can you send it to me???or can you tell me how can i used it????i think is the first model the old one.hade two dotons on the side ...one is write zero and turned 90 degrees the other ir write( min normal max and off).and above of this two bottons is one switcher( on off).at the back of the machine is two red lambs one botton write( N 4 6).also above of the machine next to the speeker is one black two positions botton.can you please tell what is all bottons are???who can i used the mineoro ?????THANKS......
Do you have any photo from this machine???
I know a red one from a friend and other one from Alonso and i have a lot images.
Greetings.
lrlman.
LRLMAN
10-18-2011, 12:49 AM
Do you have any photo from this machine???
I know a red one from a friend and other one from Alonso and i have a lot images.
Greetings.
lrlman.
Some images DCH 85-M
Machine made for Alonso.
saludos.
Greetings.
Morgan
10-18-2011, 01:34 AM
Do you have any photo from this machine???
I know a red one from a friend and other one from Alonso and i have a lot images.
Greetings.
lrlman.
maybe useless for small objects but nice LRL design.
For LRLMAN..
Who is the mean of "oro" and "plata"???
Regards
J_Player
10-19-2011, 12:10 AM
For LRLMAN..
Who is the mean of "oro" and "plata"???
Regardsoro=gold=χρυσός
plata=silver=ασήμι
Best wishes,
J_P
oro=gold=χρυσός
plata=silver=ασήμι
Best wishes,
J_P
Thanks J_P.
You always have a "good" answer:cool:
Regards:)
LRLMAN
10-19-2011, 07:34 AM
For LRLMAN..
Who is the mean of "oro" and "plata"???
Regards
Excuse me PLEASE TEACHER Geo, i don't see your Question Post, please Excuse me.
But the Word ORO mean: GOLD
and the Word PLATA mean: SILVER
The Master Alonso put this words in Spanish selector because this lrl is built for sell to a my friend here in mexico.
one more time, Excuse me Teacher for not reply this post at time
Greeting and a hug.
LRLMAN.
Morgan
10-19-2011, 03:03 PM
Excuse me PLEASE TEACHER Geo, i don't see your Question Post, please Excuse me.
But the Word ORO mean: GOLD
and the Word PLATA mean: SILVER
The Master Alonso put this words in Spanish selector because this lrl is built for sell to a my friend here in mexico.
one more time, Excuse me Teacher for not reply this post at time
Greeting and a hug.
LRLMAN.
Hi
and did your friend found something with this LRL ?
LRLMAN
10-19-2011, 08:23 PM
Hi
and did your friend found something with this LRL ?
No, we were constantly going to different parts in order to find some object, I was often by going to different places including the beaches where once he had found several gold and silver jewelry with a submersible detector in an area where there are many objects of gold and lost money, but could never get a brand of objects of any kind, but when Alonso came to this country, then the team could detect objects but when alonso was going from here to their country then this device is no longer detect anything even with objects detected previusly for left on earth to do some testing, but when the equipmen brought it to our area did not detect anything objects.
I made many tests with this LRl but I only detected the TV, a spark of battery up to 70 cms and nothing else, apparently these devices should be calibrated for each site just to search with them very specifies some kind of frequency or frequency counter, I do'n know!
Saludos Maestro morgan.
lrlman.
Qiaozhi
10-19-2011, 11:19 PM
No, we were constantly going to different parts in order to find some object, I was often by going to different places including the beaches where once he had found several gold and silver jewelry with a submersible detector in an area where there are many objects of gold and lost money, but could never get a brand of objects of any kind, but when Alonso came to this country, then the team could detect objects but when alonso was going from here to their country then this device is no longer detect anything even with objects detected previusly for left on earth to do some testing, but when the equipmen brought it to our area did not detect anything objects.
I made many tests with this LRl but I only detected the TV, a spark of battery up to 70 cms and nothing else, apparently these devices should be calibrated for each site just to search with them very specifies some kind of frequency or frequency counter, I do'n know!
Saludos Maestro morgan.
lrlman.
Or perhaps Alonso is just very good at sleight of hand. :shrug:
Morgan
10-19-2011, 11:45 PM
No, we were constantly going to different parts in order to find some object, I was often by going to different places including the beaches where once he had found several gold and silver jewelry with a submersible detector in an area where there are many objects of gold and lost money, but could never get a brand of objects of any kind, but when Alonso came to this country, then the team could detect objects but when alonso was going from here to their country then this device is no longer detect anything even with objects detected previusly for left on earth to do some testing, but when the equipmen brought it to our area did not detect anything objects.
I made many tests with this LRl but I only detected the TV, a spark of battery up to 70 cms and nothing else, apparently these devices should be calibrated for each site just to search with them very specifies some kind of frequency or frequency counter, I do'n know!
Saludos Maestro morgan.
lrlman.
Well,this is very strange,it happens the same with FG90 in France,Alonso go home and FG90 stop finding objects...
J_Player
10-20-2011, 12:22 AM
Well,this is very strange,it happens the same with FG90 in France,Alonso go home and FG90 stop finding objects...
I see the same for French video too...
Very mysterious... :remember
Best wishes,
J_P
g-sani
10-20-2011, 10:55 PM
I bet Alonson's ears hear a bzzzz... while you are writing these posts.:lol::lol::lol:
Don't forget that the "Morgan's PD" and PDK are schematics from Alonso. So it is very strange why they work to Morgan and not to Alonso!!!
Regards
aft_72005
10-21-2011, 06:40 PM
Some images DCH 85-M
Machine made for Alonso.
saludos.
Greetings.
Hi LRLMAN
Nice picture , I am interest see inside of heed DCH85M
Are you having more pictures in the matter ?
Best regards.
Morgan
10-21-2011, 10:31 PM
Don't forget that the "Morgan's PD" and PDK are schematics from Alonso. So it is very strange why they work to Morgan and not to Alonso!!!
Regards
Geo
recently i have found a lot of objects with PDK,yes,it is Alonso´s circuit with modifications as we know,i also not understand WHY ALONSO´S MINEORO is unable to find this targets.
The Passive Receiver is one great Long Range Locator,why so big LRL GENIUS not upgrade more other PD´s or the DCH 85 ???
J_Player
10-21-2011, 10:50 PM
Geo
recently i have found a lot of objects with PDK,yes,it is Alonso´s circuit with modifications as we know,i also not understand WHY ALONSO´S MINEORO is unable to find this targets.
The Passive Receiver is one great Long Range Locator,why so big LRL GENIUS not upgrade more other PD´s or the DCH 85 ???Hi Morgan,
Maybe you forgot...
Damasio made changes to the Alonso circuits for Mineoro... :rolleyes:
Best wishes,
J_P
Morgan
10-21-2011, 11:51 PM
Hi Morgan,
Maybe you forgot...
Damasio made changes to the Alonso circuits for Mineoro... :rolleyes:
Best wishes,
J_P
That is true,but actualy Alonso take the control of MINEORO with Damasio´s son,but MINEORO devices still the same...
I supose the problem is not the world are for searching and diferent frequencies or ground minerals,becouse as we can see Alonso build the DCH85 M for one friend near Paraguay ,reporting from LRLMAN said not work as LRL,yes with Alonso,very strange...
J_Player
10-22-2011, 01:16 AM
That is true,but actualy Alonso take the control of MINEORO with Damasio´s son,but MINEORO devices still the same...
I supose the problem is not the world are for searching and diferent frequencies or ground minerals,becouse as we can see Alonso build the DCH85 M for one friend near Paraguay ,reporting from LRLMAN said not work as LRL,yes with Alonso,very strange...Hi Morgan,
Here is something to think about...
All Mineoro machines are designs modified from combination of Damasio and Alonso.
But Alonso personal machines are not the same as Mineoro machines... do not have Damasio modifications.
What does this mean?
Nothing?
Best wishes, :)
J_P
We make this a simple case, but you not fool me.
I think it is problem in operating frequency. If Alonso found a frequency corresponding to the harmonics of the NMR frequencies for gold and copper would explain why changing the location lrl not work. Sure I talk about harmonics of the order of 1000 and more, which means that the signal is too weak.
One simple Case
Regards:)
J_Player
10-22-2011, 09:52 AM
We make this a simple case, but you not fool me.
I think it is problem in operating frequency. If Alonso found a frequency corresponding to the harmonics of the NMR frequencies for gold and copper would explain why changing the location lrl not work. Sure I talk about harmonics of the order of 1000 and more, which means that the signal is too weak.
One simple Case
Regards:)You can think that, but you are wrong.
We know the NMR changes when you walk from a few feet and is never constant simply because the magnetic field is not constant at different locations on the surface of the earth. We also know the NMR of ell elements changes during the day as the magnetic field changes. The NMR frequency for gold or any other metal can double when you measure it from two different locations where the magnetic field is double in one location compared to the other field strength in the other location. If it was possible to measure this frequency, you would see it can easily be 10% change when you walk 30 meters distance. But you can't measure it because the NMR is so weak that it is below the noise levels unless you induce a very strong artificial magnetic field to make it measurable. Any educated person knows this is true, and they know metal detecting machines are not detecting a NMR frequency, simply because this NMR frequency is not a constant frequency... that it changes with small changes of location and time.
But you can believe the NMR frequency of elements is constant in a treasure hunting field if you want.
Best wishes,
J_P
g-sani
10-22-2011, 09:56 AM
Maybe it will be some other company whith a different name whith completely different design producing LRLs as well.
Toyota has Lexus isn't it?
You can think that, but you are wrong.
We know the NMR changes when you walk from a few feet and is never constant simply because the magnetic field is not constant at different locations on the surface of the earth. We also know the NMR of ell elements changes during the day as the magnetic field changes. The NMR frequency for gold or any other metal can double when you measure it from two different locations where the magnetic field is double in one location compared to the other field strength in the other location. If it was possible to measure this frequency, you would see it can easily be 10% change when you walk 30 meters distance. But you can't measure it because the NMR is so weak that it is below the noise levels unless you induce a very strong artificial magnetic field that is very uniform. Any educated person knows this is true, and metal detecting machines are not detecting a NMR frequency, simply because this frequency changes with small changes of location and time.
But you can believe the NMR frequency of elements is constant in a treasure hunting field if you want.
Best wishes,
J_P
Instead of saying that only work in Brazil, Portugal and Paris and to laugh, i try to find some reason to justify this. This is the reason that made me think harmonics of NMR
Regards:)
Morgan
10-22-2011, 03:58 PM
Hi Morgan,
Maybe you forgot...
Damasio made changes to the Alonso circuits for Mineoro... :rolleyes:
Best wishes,
J_P
As i remember,Damasio UPGRADE the Alonso´s LRL´s to detect from METERS to KILOMETERS, but unfortunatly i think to find a treasure more than 100 m is not possible with any kind of LRL.
J_Player
10-22-2011, 04:12 PM
Instead of saying that only work in Brazil, Portugal and Paris and to laugh, i try to find some reason to justify this. This is the reason that made me think harmonics of NMR
Regards:)Hi Geo,
I think it is good to try to find a reason to justify the facts that you observe.
But I can see very clearly that NMR frequency does not justify the working of any LRL because it is a variable frequency, not a fixed frequency.
And also because it cannot be reliably detected without a very strong artificial magnetic field where we can force an element to vibrate at a fixed nuclear magnetic frequency.
I would think that when you don't know the answer that will justify your observations, then you are better to admit you don't know the answer rather than to choose an answer that you know is incorrect.
It does not solve the puzzle when we proclaim a wrong answer is correct simply because it is easy to understand.
If you observe there is equipment which is working in some conditions, but not in other conditions, then there is a real answer why you observed these things that does not require adopting impossible pseudoscience.
The observation we hear is these machines work in some countries, but not others.
We also observe the appearance of Alonso and his team making recoveries in some "wrong locations" with the same machines that other people cannot make recoveries and do not see response from the same equipment after Alonso leaves.
Why not look for a different explanation than the impossible NMR which changes by the hour and changes when walking some meters?
I am sure there are many more likely explanations that do not require for impossible physics.
Best wishes, :)
J_P
J_Player
10-22-2011, 04:27 PM
As i remember,Damasio UPGRADE the Alonso´s LRL´s to detect from METERS to KILOMETERS, but unfortunatly i think to find a treasure more than 100 m is not possible with any kind of LRL.Hi Morgan,
You may be correct that the idea Damasio had was to make modifications for more distance.
But from the result we see, the performance is not better than the original designs from Alonso.
I remember many stories from Esteban when he talked about treasure hunting with Alonso, and he described some of the experimental locators Alonso made.
He said Alonso is master of detecting, and made better experimental locators than he can make.
Esteban also told many stories where he shows Mineoro machines that he makes his modifications for his own design because his modification works better than Mineoro.
After reading many stories from Esteban and his Brazilian and Paraguay locators, I see this is what is reported by Esteban:
#1 detection: Alonso experimental locators - nothing better than this
#2 detection: Esteban experimental locators - not as good as Alonso locators
#3 detection: Mineoro commercial locators - need modification to work better like Esteban experimental locators
I cannot know what the intention was for Damasio when he made the decision to modify the Alonso designs for Mineoro commercial locators.
But I do remember reading stories of brainwashings at the Mineoro demonstrations.
And I remember reading reports of some very strange good performance of their machines when they visit places where people know they are not working.
Best wishes, :)
J_P
As i remember,Damasio UPGRADE the Alonso´s LRL´s to detect from METERS to KILOMETERS, but unfortunatly i think to find a treasure more than 100 m is not possible with any kind of LRL.
100 meters ? your PD schematic/thing is unable to locating anything (apart noise...) from 1 meter...
fully tested by me (and others too)
:)
LRLMAN
10-23-2011, 05:03 AM
That is true,but actualy Alonso take the control of MINEORO with Damasio´s son,but MINEORO devices still the same...
I supose the problem is not the world are for searching and diferent frequencies or ground minerals,becouse as we can see Alonso build the DCH85 M for one friend near Paraguay ,reporting from LRLMAN said not work as LRL,yes with Alonso,very strange...
Well,</SPAN> well, well .... I do not even know where to start with this, the story is very long, some of you already know the maestro Alonso ( Victor Cipriano Alonso Ocampos) nickname: Chacho; he has equipment capable of locating only one objects to 100 or 200 meters or more distance as the Tesla coil which can be operated from a moving vehicle preferably diesel machine in which we were doing some searches on here somewhere in Mexico where I am, and not in Paraguay.
I will tell you great things about the teacher Alonso as this was when I lived close to the teacher and because it is a very good kind of people, easy, good good friend even though I think with sadness and understanding it at the same time he does the equipment to sell some kind of skill or trick to not give people the whole secret of the easy detection of very valuable objects as this would be a major problem for those who want to easily find fortune in a few minutes and I know what these details that Alonso does not provide in their equipment according to everything I've seen on this forum of the information presented
I went to some searches with the teacher in some places in this country seeing with my own eyes how they could be found along the roads several objects from a moving vehicle, some near the surface of the earth and other very deeply, several friends who bought the master Alonso lrl's brought their own equipment to perform these amazing with Alonso searches, many of them buy expensive equipment to the teacher I just looked and could not buy them for my little economic capacity, in some moment for these searches, I had the opportunity to stay nearly two hours alone with the teacher and so were talking a lot about this and told me some things of how to detect this phenomenon and the limitations of these devices, as well as natural factors that affect the phenomenon to be detected with these devices.
Then I understood almost nothing about this type of detection, because I was just used to a conventional type of detection devices normal metal detectors so to speak, and for me it was all very new and surprising. After all this, I was able to purchase detection equipment for a friend from those made by Alonso, a red equipment called by Alonso: PBI (the red color of the images that i put here) the same that I had successfully tested in searches with Alonso and was sure it could detect anything large or small objects anywhere, but this did not happen because I noticed that when Alonso went from Mexico to his country, all the marks to prove by these equipments, they disappeared and devices no longer detect more and so it was, every time Alonso came to Mexico, returning all marks and the equipments one more time detect the same way.
Here's something more important to say about all this and I myself have observed within this forum as well as I have been researching a little on this issue of the lrl's and the phenomenon and I believe in the words of our friend J-Player, this is the NMRF which exists in every point of land where all equipment must be calibrated as well as I could observe Alonso who seems to know what days the LRL's will be able to detect objects taking into account that he could have a Earth's Magnetic Field Meter to know that days can go out to detect these equipments because I know that the NMRF is constantly changing even in the same place on earth where we will seek, but these are only the master secret Alonso which I think that's not going to reveal to other people.
Otherwise, I would ask opinion to Master Morgan and to Teacher Geo, to see if there is no problem to display some images in this open forum of the PBI equipment color red made by Alonso, or in the private forum??, you decide.....
Many greetings to all friends of this forum
LRLMAN.
Hi LRLMAN
I have not any problem if you display the photos here or to RS.
I will be happy to see and discuss photo.
Now about the right day and time of working the LRL by Alonso... what to say. It happened some times to me, where my LRL (with ferrite) worked fine or it did not work at the same place:angry:.
Regards
Morgan
10-23-2011, 02:58 PM
Well,</SPAN> well, well .... I do not even know where to start with this, the story is very long, some of you already know the maestro Alonso ( Victor Cipriano Alonso Ocampos) nickname: Chacho; he has equipment capable of locating only one objects to 100 or 200 meters or more distance as the Tesla coil which can be operated from a moving vehicle preferably diesel machine in which we were doing some searches on here somewhere in Mexico where I am, and not in Paraguay.
I will tell you great things about the teacher Alonso as this was when I lived close to the teacher and because it is a very good kind of people, easy, good good friend even though I think with sadness and understanding it at the same time he does the equipment to sell some kind of skill or trick to not give people the whole secret of the easy detection of very valuable objects as this would be a major problem for those who want to easily find fortune in a few minutes and I know what these details that Alonso does not provide in their equipment according to everything I've seen on this forum of the information presented
I went to some searches with the teacher in some places in this country seeing with my own eyes how they could be found along the roads several objects from a moving vehicle, some near the surface of the earth and other very deeply, several friends who bought the master Alonso lrl's brought their own equipment to perform these amazing with Alonso searches, many of them buy expensive equipment to the teacher I just looked and could not buy them for my little economic capacity, in some moment for these searches, I had the opportunity to stay nearly two hours alone with the teacher and so were talking a lot about this and told me some things of how to detect this phenomenon and the limitations of these devices, as well as natural factors that affect the phenomenon to be detected with these devices.
Then I understood almost nothing about this type of detection, because I was just used to a conventional type of detection devices normal metal detectors so to speak, and for me it was all very new and surprising. After all this, I was able to purchase detection equipment for a friend from those made by Alonso, a red equipment called by Alonso: PBI (the red color of the images that i put here) the same that I had successfully tested in searches with Alonso and was sure it could detect anything large or small objects anywhere, but this did not happen because I noticed that when Alonso went from Mexico to his country, all the marks to prove by these equipments, they disappeared and devices no longer detect more and so it was, every time Alonso came to Mexico, returning all marks and the equipments one more time detect the same way.
Here's something more important to say about all this and I myself have observed within this forum as well as I have been researching a little on this issue of the lrl's and the phenomenon and I believe in the words of our friend J-Player, this is the NMRF which exists in every point of land where all equipment must be calibrated as well as I could observe Alonso who seems to know what days the LRL's will be able to detect objects taking into account that he could have a Earth's Magnetic Field Meter to know that days can go out to detect these equipments because I know that the NMRF is constantly changing even in the same place on earth where we will seek, but these are only the master secret Alonso which I think that's not going to reveal to other people.
Otherwise, I would ask opinion to Master Morgan and to Teacher Geo, to see if there is no problem to display some images in this open forum of the PBI equipment color red made by Alonso, or in the private forum??, you decide.....
Many greetings to all friends of this forum
LRLMAN.
thanks to all this information about the great Master Alonso and his LRL´s.
No problem if you put the images in this RS project .
regards
Morgan
10-23-2011, 03:01 PM
Hi LRLMAN
I have not any problem if you display the photos here or to RS.
I will be happy to see and discuss photo.
Now about the right day and time of working the LRL by Alonso... what to say. It happened some times to me, where my LRL (with ferrite) worked fine or it did not work at the same place:angry:.
Regards
Hi master GEO, my PDK works everytime fine in the same place where exist the precious buried metal.
Unfortunatly not as the hability to locate the precious metals when out from the ground. I supose your LRL as this future...
Hi master GEO, my PDK works everytime fine in the same place where exist the precious buried metal.
Unfortunatly not as the hability to locate the precious metals when out from the ground. I supose your LRL as this future...
Hi Morgan.
My "New PD" works fine all the weather but it is very very sensitive (this is bad), the other PD as your PDK2 or 3 (i don't know)works good but has low sensitivity and don't locate fresh gold and the PD from last video it is in the midle and locate fresh gold. With all these i want to say that there is not LRL good at all. I don't like to say more and i believe that you understand why...:lol:
Regards:)
Morgan
10-23-2011, 10:33 PM
Hi Morgan.
My "New PD" works fine all the weather but it is very very sensitive (this is bad), the other PD as your PDK2 or 3 (i don't know)works good but has low sensitivity and don't locate fresh gold and the PD from last video it is in the midle and locate fresh gold. With all these i want to say that there is not LRL good at all. I don't like to say more and i believe that you understand why...:lol:
Regards:)
for me is not important to find fresh gold recently buried,i´m completly happy with my PDK-2 and PDK-3(this one is able to find very little objects at meters). This is not to make any propaganda,but they are good for TH. and easy,TURN ON AND GO.I never imagine that can make the Alonso´s Passive Receiver so powerfull,again it was by chance,becouse i dont have any electronics knowlenge,but i always pay atention to Esteban and his schematics,again i say thanks to him,hoppe he returns to this forum.
folharin
10-24-2011, 01:35 AM
PDK 2 and 3 was to remove the part of the ferrite or just modification?
humhum
10-24-2011, 10:55 PM
Hi Master Morgan, in this Picture DCH-85 back side is from what material , Wood or Iron (No: 3 ).
Best Regards.
Morgan
10-24-2011, 11:05 PM
the search head must be made of wood,the box can be metal aluminium.
LRLMAN
10-25-2011, 07:22 AM
the search head must be made of wood,the box can be metal aluminium.
Hey guys, let me tell you somethink, the big head is a part of PVC tube (pipe) with 5" Diametre and the little tube is a PVC pipe with 2" of diametre, and inside is other pipe whit a diametre of 1.5" in next images you can see that, and the red box is iron.
front and rear covers are made of wood.
In the last image you can see inside the pipe is a little stimulator coil with his caps.
saludos.
humhum
10-25-2011, 09:34 PM
:) Hi LRLMAN , please post last Picture again with high definition , maybe in to center of this coil have Ferrite or ??
Morgan
10-26-2011, 02:08 AM
:) Hi LRLMAN , please post last Picture again with high definition , maybe in to center of this coil have Ferrite or ??
No,not as any ferrite,is just coil 5cm diam. and small oscillator circuit. I also have the DCH
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