Misc Mineoro Banter

[sony]

:mad:
To Hung...

* INSIDE MINEORO 210
* MINEORO DETECTORS EXPLANATION
* MINEORO FALSE NEWS
* MINEORO FG80
* MINEORO FRAUD
* MINEORO GALLERY
* MINEORO NEWS
* MINERO
* ZAHORI
These are threads among many others where you Hung reside mostly. If man read all your posts
so far (so much same words,retorics,advertisments) he'll get uncureable pain in his a..
Cant you see that nobody agree with you here any more?
Cant you see that everyone knows what is your decision here?
You are payed mineoro promoter.Your job is to defend,promote and advertise mineoro products here.
MAN YOU SHOULD UNDERSTAND BY NOW THAT THIS IS TECHNICAL FORUM. TECHNICAL FORUM IS FOR PEOPLE TO
SHARE,EXCHANGE,MOD,IMPROVE,DISCOVER......
NOBODY HERE SUSPECT SOME DEVICE WITHOUT VERY GOOD REASON. REVERSE E. IS ALL ABOUT LEARNING MORE
FROM OTHERS, NOT JUST TO COPY....IT IS NOT PIRACY.
PIRACY IS WHEN YOU MAKE ILEGAL COPY AND SELL FOR MONEY....NOT WHEN YOU DISECTED TO LEARN AND STUDY.
YOU MUST HAVE SOME DECENCY AND STOP BASHING HERE WITH YOUR NONSENCES ANY MORE.
PLEASE DO THAT! PLEASE STAY OFF POSTING NONSENCES HERE AT LEAST FOR A WEEK OR TWO! PLEASE!
AND PLEASE BEFORE YOU START POLLUTING SOME THREAD FIRST READ TWICE WHAT IS THAT THREAD ABOUT!
PLEASE, DO NOT MIX SUBJECTS ANY MORE LIKE YOU DID IN ZAHORI THREAD!
ZAHORI THREAD IS ABOUT ZAHORI NOT ABOUT MINEORO! CANT YOU AT LEAST READ AND UNDERSTAND TITLE OF
THREAD !?
DO NOT SEND PEOPLE IN ASYLYM TO TAKE YOUR PLACE THERE MAN!
NOBODY LISTEN YOU ANY MORE! YOU JUST WASTING SPACE HERE!
SOMEBODY SHOULD CLEAR UP THIS MAN SOME THINGS YET!

We just lost dear friend Jackdetect who was real deviser,real EE,expert....His work stay unfinished
because sudden death, and lack of money in last couple years. I feel so sorry and mad at the same
time! While some CREATURES have much more money than they need, and can afford to spend time,space
and money everywhere to bash and bug everyone.....at the same time some real enthusiasts do not
have chance even to speak from time to time...
If you had at least some decency you'll shut up for a while!

[Jonas]

ok :) Sony

[Esteban]

The real fact is, for example, this happy owner from USA (3 photos). Long distance detection is a FACT. Maybe can obtain a letter sent for this man regarding the pile of coins he found with the DCH 85. If this is possible, I'll post here. Few minutes ago I talk with Alonso about this man of the photos. He is Mr. Mitchell (Second World War ex-soldier). He found more disperse objects. Alonso said me: "I have many letters in English-Spanish".

[Qiaozhi]

:mad:
To Hung...

* INSIDE MINEORO 210
* MINEORO DETECTORS EXPLANATION
* MINEORO FALSE NEWS
* MINEORO FG80
* MINEORO FRAUD
* MINEORO GALLERY
* MINEORO NEWS
* MINERO
* ZAHORI
These are threads among many others where you Hung reside mostly. If man read all your posts
so far (so much same words,retorics,advertisments) he'll get uncureable pain in his a..
Cant you see that nobody agree with you here any more?
Cant you see that everyone knows what is your decision here?
You are payed mineoro promoter.Your job is to defend,promote and advertise mineoro products here.
MAN YOU SHOULD UNDERSTAND BY NOW THAT THIS IS TECHNICAL FORUM. TECHNICAL FORUM IS FOR PEOPLE TO
SHARE,EXCHANGE,MOD,IMPROVE,DISCOVER......
NOBODY HERE SUSPECT SOME DEVICE WITHOUT VERY GOOD REASON. REVERSE E. IS ALL ABOUT LEARNING MORE
FROM OTHERS, NOT JUST TO COPY....IT IS NOT PIRACY.
PIRACY IS WHEN YOU MAKE ILEGAL COPY AND SELL FOR MONEY....NOT WHEN YOU DISECTED TO LEARN AND STUDY.
YOU MUST HAVE SOME DECENCY AND STOP BASHING HERE WITH YOUR NONSENCES ANY MORE.
PLEASE DO THAT! PLEASE STAY OFF POSTING NONSENCES HERE AT LEAST FOR A WEEK OR TWO! PLEASE!
AND PLEASE BEFORE YOU START POLLUTING SOME THREAD FIRST READ TWICE WHAT IS THAT THREAD ABOUT!
PLEASE, DO NOT MIX SUBJECTS ANY MORE LIKE YOU DID IN ZAHORI THREAD!
ZAHORI THREAD IS ABOUT ZAHORI NOT ABOUT MINEORO! CANT YOU AT LEAST READ AND UNDERSTAND TITLE OF
THREAD !?
DO NOT SEND PEOPLE IN ASYLYM TO TAKE YOUR PLACE THERE MAN!
NOBODY LISTEN YOU ANY MORE! YOU JUST WASTING SPACE HERE!
SOMEBODY SHOULD CLEAR UP THIS MAN SOME THINGS YET!

We just lost dear friend Jackdetect who was real deviser,real EE,expert....His work stay unfinished
because sudden death, and lack of money in last couple years. I feel so sorry and mad at the same
time! While some CREATURES have much more money than they need, and can afford to spend time,space
and money everywhere to bash and bug everyone.....at the same time some real enthusiasts do not
have chance even to speak from time to time...
If you had at least some decency you'll shut up for a while!
I agree. Some people are worthy of a human skin, others are not.:rolleyes:
On the other hand, maybe there is something in this LRL stuff, even though I consider it is highly unlikely. At least there are a group of well intentioned people here who are constructing, experimenting, and reporting their findings on this forum. And - yes - we are actively dismantling and back-engineering these devices to test whether there is any truth in the rumour... and so far, it's not looking good.
There will be anecdotes, such as this recent one from Esteban, about a man who found a pile of coins with a Mineoro. But (as they say) even a blind monkey will occassionally find a nut. (Sometimes it's a squirrel. Depends who's telling the story.) :D
So - whether you are an LRL advocate or not, we're all here to learn. This sort of abrasive behaviour exhibited by Hung is far from constructive, and helps nobody. He certainly has the attitude that Mineoro can do no wrong. But when anyone says that they own a Mineoro (or know someone who does) and basically it doesn't work, then there are a number of excuses put forward. For example, the ones I can remember are:
1. The ionic conditions are not good.
2. It's the wrong time of day.
3. The person was detecting by the sea.
4. You should have been using the model with two knobs, not one.
5. Mineoro accidently fitted a batch of bad components, which (incidently) wasn't their fault.
6. It's not the latest model.
I'm sure there were other excuses, but these are the ones that come to mind.

Which leads me to a question:
If you were to liken Mineoro to a car manufacturer, which one would it be?

And last, but not least - my commiserations to the family and friends of JackDetect.

[Kev]

Hi Esteban,
By the look of the age of the cars in these pictures, this happened in the late 80's, if this is so, why aren't these long range devices as popular as induction detection technologies of today, since they emerged in the 80's as well?
If this method had any substance then these machines would be as popular as standard methods of treasure hunting. We would see all over the web loads of 'modern' pictures of people and finds, just like any metal detecting website, and I don't mean any manufacturers, or 'Judas testimonies' either, with the emphasis on monies.

I wonder how Alex is getting on with the Mineoro sensor dissection?

A very sceptical Kev.

[Jim]

The real fact is, for example, this happy owner from USA (3 photos). Long distance detection is a FACT. Maybe can obtain a letter sent for this man regarding the pile of coins he found with the DCH 85. If this is possible, I'll post here. Few minutes ago I talk with Alonso about this man of the photos. He is Mr. Mitchell (Second World War ex-soldier). He found more disperse objects. Alonso said me: "I have many letters in English-Spanish".

Nice pictures. Is it safe to assume the happy owner from the USA found whatever it is he is holding under those high-power lines? :)

[Esteban]

Nice pictures. Is it safe to assume the happy owner from the USA found whatever it is he is holding under those high-power lines?

Jim: I think only for photo. But is possible in the nearby.

[Carl-NC]

What is he holding? Looks like a stack of silver dollars, fused together.

"He found more disperse objects."

Did he find any gold?

[Esteban]

Kev, yes last 80's.

Very popular? Why? In USA exist all the technology for to build this kind of device. If you experiment in this way, you'll feel another experience. Deppend of you and the manufacturers. As I show you a proof, show me a proof why isn't possible.

[Esteban]

Looks like a stack of silver dollars, fused together

Evident, was "fused" together, because the person who hide put in pile and through the years these "glued" for mineral or oxidation. Is rare this? Generally these coins was dispossed in leather or any other material capable to corrupt through the years.

Alonso told me that Mr. Mitchell found another items, but only in his letters can find this info.

[Carl-NC]

Ah, yes, they are definitely silver dollars.

The one on top is dated 1880.

[hung]

Hey Esteban,

Are you aware of the case some people in Paraguay found a cache of gold coins 2 weeks ago using Mineoro's 692 BL? The cache was 2 meters deep.

If you have time, let's try to meet at Mineoro in december. I'm leaving for an expedition next month and will stay out for maybe the whole month.

I had bad news. One of the targets my team detected in the beginining of year was recovered by another person. That's a drag. One of the members of my team returned to the site and the detector did not beep. I won't go into how we know that, as it's a long story. But we think we know who this guy is. He has a DC2008. This is not the first time this happens. Bandits are everywhere indeed...

[hung]

Really nice pic Esteban. The 'classic' DCH85M pioneer of the long range locators by Mineoro. It required 100% ionic field intensity (!) compared to only 25% required by the FG series today.
Despite of that many found treasure, like the gentleman above and Alonso who with the prototype detected the Atocha's motherlode for the insfamous Mel Fisher.
Just like Santos Dumont invented the airplane, Damasio and Alonso invented the first true wroking long range locator.
I love those guys.:)

[Jim]

Despite of that many found treasure, like the gentleman above and Alonso who with the prototype detected the Atocha's motherlode for the insfamous Mel Fisher.


Spreading propaganda and lies such as this, I can only assume this person either works for Mineore, or is related to the scam artists responsible for making this C.R.A.P.

[hung]

Spreading propaganda and lies such as this, I can only assume this person either works for Mineore, or is related to the scam artists responsible for making this C.R.A.P.

You can assume whatever you want.
I am a (really) happy Mineoro user. Just that.
I tried every detector you can think of and the ones you can't, because I know you are the typical 'let me sit my butt in front of this computer and do some treasure hunting' type person.
In my opinion the Mineoros are by far the best. Sure there maybe other good LRLs, but not like it.

You and some few here seem completely ignorant about the Mineoro's concept and the discovery they made, despite of this info being in their site so everyone can read it. If you really had the intention of joining a forum to absorb new information and share it, you would not pose as the 'typo' above and would be asking questions before saying the silly things you do.

My turn now to make an assumption. I assume your true intention is criticize. Take a look at your posts till this date. Nothing useful. You absolutely brought no info, no news, did not share new tech, nothing. Nothing at all.
You just chime in to criticize and bash.

I realy like to enjoy my experiences with the tool I use. That's why I am around here. I know of some international Mineoro users who rarelly watch this forum and told me they don't care to participate just to talk on empty. They are busy in the field. Altough I many times go out in expeditions, I don't do this only for a living as I have another job, which allows me time to participate on this forum. I also could be like them and simply choose to ignore this forum because I definetly don't need to talk to people like you. Nothing to gain or share.
However there are valuable members as Michael, Esteban, JPlayer, Mosha and even skeptics like Ivconic and Carl have worthy questions about it and don't need to act the opposite.

Think about it man. I consider myself a really proud owner of this detector. Nothing will change it. Could not be the contrary.
If you're envious or jealous at this, it's up to you. And I feel sorry about it.
But please respect people's positions.

[Carl-NC]

...and Alonso who with the prototype detected the Atocha's motherlode for the insfamous Mel Fisher.

So all of Fisher's accounts of the Atocha discovery were wrong? :rolleyes:

[hung]

So all of Fisher's accounts of the Atocha discovery were wrong? :rolleyes:

This is what Damasio told me at the time of my visit to Mineoro in november 2005. I told the whole story somewhere in one of the forums here, which covers the story on how Fisher came to know about Alonso and his detector.

The last mention of this subject is a recent post I made:

"According to Damasio he died of serious nervous breakdown due to sorrow and disapointment.
Alonso told Mel Fisher in 1984 where the Atocha's motherload was. That is, the region where it was. He was using a prototype of the DCH85 back then.
After Fisher found the load Baldwin, who was Alonso's partner and Alonso himself were expecting some kind of reward and recognition. None of both were given. Not a single 'thanks'.
That's why Damasio said Mel Fisher was a bandit.
I agree."

For the whole story you should do a search here for it.
Yes, it's true. One 'baby' just like the one in Mr. Mitchell's hands was responsible for finding the area where the Atocha's motherlode was.

[Carl-NC]

One 'baby' just like the one in Mr. Mitchell's hands...

There is less to Mr. Mitchell's claim than meets the eye.

"The one on top is dated 1880."

There is a reason I know the date of the silver dollar on the top of the stack he's holding. I'll take a wild guess that you also know that reason.

- Carl

[Esteban]

Hi Hung:

Yes, I know more histories. The two boxes is an important tool in treasure hunting.

The best Mineoro 692 BL is the oldest with separate batteries for transmitter and receiver.

I remember that in the 80's repair a TM808 and the owner found treasure consist mainly in silver, all this in a silver tray with adorns in gold.

The real is this: Mr. Fisher contact with Mr. Baldwin and they make a trip and mark many sites with gold. I hear Mr. Fisher invit to a dinner Mr. Baldwin and Mr. Alonso and no money in pocket had Mr. Fisher and his partner, also reject the credit card. So, Mr. Baldwin suffer the consequense$$$ of the "invitation".

I'll visit Mr. Baldwin's son and recover photos and documents as letters, maybe can find a letter with the firm of Fisher...

If they WANT to confirm really what's happens in the early 80's trip in Texas (Galveston mainly), they will found hundreds witnesses who saw how team recover items of gold and silver (disperses) with a "pistol" detector.

If they want to confirm how they found a clock of Pat Garrett in Garrett's property, ask in Garrett Detectors.

I have two pages of a USA treasure magazine called Treasure Search regarding this invention (pistol), pages 16-17, but haven't permission for to post the interview and photo.

[sony]

:cool: :)
Yesterday i took my old Jetco Treasure Hawk from ivconic.He rapired it for me. And now what???
I found 3258 old roman coins on 4.56meters depth....Can you beleive it?
I was thinking to my self: why wasting money on mineoro while Jetco can do much better!?
Also i called mr.Alonso and mr.Damasio and they asked me if i want to sell this wonderfull Jetco to them so they can copy it and sell under Mineoro name....
I refused cose it can hurt ivconic's feelling....
So mr.Alonso and mr.Damasio were angry on me and said many bad words by phone....!?
I do not mind, i still have my Jetco just for me and nobody else!:eek:

People do not boder to ask me simillar questions i am not gonna sell it, despite thousands of dollars offer...:rolleyes:
regards


If you want i can post 2345,78 photos of coins i founded with it so far...

[ivconic]

:)
What Sony posted here is naked truth!
I can only back up it with a 14.234,69 photos more.....if anybody wants...
:)

[Jim]

You can assume whatever you want.
I tried every detector you can think of and the ones you can't, because I know you are the typical 'let me sit my butt in front of this computer and do some treasure hunting' type person.


Don’t cry big tears young hung. Simply go back to Reply #5 of this thread and reexamine the “ionic chamber” photograph. If you don’t slap yer knee and laugh-out-loud over that scam, ya gotta be a part of it. If you do not see the humor in that scam...well, here's yer sign.

Have a super-duper great day! :)

[Jim]

There is less to Mr. Mitchell's claim than meets the eye.

"The one on top is dated 1880."

There is a reason I know the date of the silver dollar on the top of the stack he's holding. I'll take a wild guess that you also know that reason.

- Carl

Care to share this info with the rest of us? Or...perhaps another contest, eh? ;)

[Kev]

There is less to Mr. Mitchell's claim than meets the eye.

"The one on top is dated 1880."

There is a reason I know the date of the silver dollar on the top of the stack he's holding. I'll take a wild guess that you also know that reason.

- Carl

Come on Carl let us in on the guts......what's the truth about this?

Cheers
Kevin Murta.

[Carl-NC]

OK... first clue is... "October, 1989"

[Carl-NC]

Second clue... "page 12"

[hung]

Hi Hung:

Yes, I know more histories. The two boxes is an important tool in treasure hunting.

The best Mineoro 692 BL is the oldest with separate batteries for transmitter and receiver.


Esteban, this particular case I refer, happened around 3 weeks ago. A group of people using the 692BL were caught at night in a private property in Paraguay after neighbours heard noises.
They already had dug the hole and found a big metal box containing a lot of coins.

Do you know how this ended?

[Carl-NC]

Final clue... "Lost Treasure"

[Esteban]

Hi Hung:

Don't know how is ended. During the terrorific T.A.W. (1864-1870) many treasures was hidden, in particular in ranch areas and Government Treasure gold.

[Leto]

first clue is... "October, 1989"
Second clue... "page 12"
Final clue... "Lost Treasure"

I like riddles but this one's too hard.

Googling I could find only this book, second edition in October, 1989. The picture seems to fit on mineoro thread :D but do not know what's on page 12.

[Jim]

I like riddles but this one's too hard.

Googling I could find only this book, second edition in October, 1989. The picture seems to fit on mineoro thread :D but do not know what's on page 12.


LoL...nope. The story is about a treasure hunter named Jim Mitchell in the October 1989 issue of Lost Treasure. I tried to buy the story ($2.95) but evidently there is a problem with the eshop at Lost Treasure.

Come on Carl...out with it! ;)

[Qiaozhi]

LoL...nope. The story is about a treasure hunter named Jim Mitchell in the October 1989 issue of Lost Treasure. I tried to buy the story ($2.95) but evidently there is a problem with the eshop at Lost Treasure.

Come on Carl...out with it! ;)
According the link I found, it costs $6.00
http://www.losttreasure.com/shopping/pc-9910-31-j-lost-treasure-october-1989.aspx

[Jim]

According the link I found, it costs $6.00
http://www.losttreasure.com/shopping/pc-9910-31-j-lost-treasure-october-1989.aspx

$6.00 for the complete issue...$2.95 for one article ;)

http://www.losttreasure.com/shopping/p-9119-jim-mitchell-treasure-hunter.aspx

[Esteban]

The Wild Wild Guess?

[hung]

The Wild Wild Guess?

I miss 'James West'...:rolleyes:

[Carl-NC]

Well, there's no need to buy the article... it's already online, at the Electroscope web site. See http://www.electroscopes.com/members/finds_2.asp (http://www.electroscopes.com/members/finds_2.asp.*)*.

The article describes Jim Mitchell's use of an Escope to find a clump of fused-together silver dollars. The Lost Treasure version of the article includes a picture of Jim holding the silver dollars, and I've attached it below. It might be difficult to see, but from the pic in the magazine it's very apparent that it's the same clump of silver dollars shown in the Mineoro photos.

What this means, is that Jim Mitchell posed for (at least) 2 LRL companies, using the same "treasure."

- Carl

*There is a reason Electroscopes has permission to post an article from LT... during the late 80's early 90's, LT magazine catered heavily to Escopes. Not just the normal advertising, but also a few regular articles describing Escope treasure recoveries, and lots of cover photos. I've long suspected these articles and covers were plants paid for by Escopes. I have more info on this regarding Jim Mitchell's testimonial, but I need to see if I can confirm it.

[hung]

Well my friend, it's HIGHLY unlikely that Mineoro had any kind of comercial agreement with Mr. Mitchell in the past, unlike Jim Thomas's Electroscopes.

IF the coins prove to be the same he appears in Esteban's pictures holding the DCH85M, then we have to find out what device he trully used to detect it.
Esteban has already mentioned he has recovered other items with the Mineoro detector and has papers on him. Maybe Esteban can ask Alonso how he came to know of Mineoro and clarify this.
Is this gentleman still alive?
Personally I don't see the reason why he would be cheating on Mineoro, since it's a fact they work, although as I said, 100% of ionic field intensity was required to this model detect at great distances. So IF THE COINS PROVE TO BE THE SAME, suspicions rely on Electroscope's side as you say LT had comercial agreements with the Electroscopes. If those coins indeed prove to be the same, I feel sorry for Mr. Mitchell...

See, this is what I mean when I refer to american capitalism. They do anything for money... Where are the ethics, when there are potencial Escope customers involved?
What a shame...

[Jim]

What this means, is that Jim Mitchell posed for (at least) 2 LRL companies, using the same "treasure."

- Carl


Well, I’ll be dang-fangled! This is an interesting revelation to the story. No wonder the Mineoro proponents did not want to be involved in this mini-contest, as they already knew the outcome (scam).

Please post more about this testimonial after your confirmation.

HH, Jim

[hung]

No wonder the Mineoro proponents did not want to be involved in this mini-contest, as they already knew the outcome (scam).

?????????????????????????
You're pathetic.

[Carl-NC]

Well my friend, it's HIGHLY unlikely that Mineoro had any kind of comercial agreement with Mr. Mitchell in the past, unlike Jim Thomas's Electroscopes.

Jim Thomas runs the "Treasure Scope" scam... Thomas Afilani runs the "Electroscope" scam. Gotta keep these things straight!

IF the coins prove to be the same he appears in Esteban's pictures holding the DCH85M, then we have to find out what device he trully used to detect it.
Well, that involves the additional info I have, which suggests that no LRL was involved at all in finding the coins, and that Mr. Mitchell was paid by both companies.

Is this gentleman still alive?
Don't know.

Personally I don't see the reason why he would be cheating on Mineoro,
Looks like everyone involved was cheating...

So IF THE COINS PROVE TO BE THE SAME, suspicions rely on Electroscope's side as you say LT had comercial agreements with the Electroscopes. If those coins indeed prove to be the same, I feel sorry for Mr. Mitchell...
It destroys the credibility of both company's claims.

See, this is what I mean when I refer to american capitalism. They do anything for money... Where are the ethics, when there are potencial Escope customers involved?
What a shame...
Oh, I don't think for a second that Mineoro is an innocent victim in all this. And I suspect you knew about all this before I posted it.

- Carl

[hung]

Well, that involves the additional info I have, which suggests that no LRL was involved at all in finding the coins, and that Mr. Mitchell was paid by both companies.

It destroys the credibility of both company's claims.

Be careful. Don't say anything like that before you thoroughly investigate the facts or you run the risk of falling in a serious discreditting.

I'm the living proof the Mineoro works and I don't even consider answering your above statement.
But I'm sure Esteban will bring info about this from Alonso and I'll do the same talking to Damasio.


And I suspect you knew about all this before I posted it.

- Carl

No I don't. In fact I don't even know if there's something to be known.

[Delbert grady]

So every Atom in the Universe is somehow connected to every other Atom in the Universe. So what would happen if at exactly midnight, 12.oclock the Sun was to vanish. to completely disapear. The Earth would just travel on in a straight line I suppose. In what ever direction it was going at the time. But would it do this at 12.oclock or 9 minutes past 12.

[Qiaozhi]

Well, there's no need to buy the article... it's already online, at the Electroscope web site. See http://www.electroscopes.com/members/finds_2.asp (http://www.electroscopes.com/members/finds_2.asp.*)*.

The article describes Jim Mitchell's use of an Escope to find a clump of fused-together silver dollars. The Lost Treasure version of the article includes a picture of Jim holding the silver dollars, and I've attached it below. It might be difficult to see, but from the pic in the magazine it's very apparent that it's the same clump of silver dollars shown in the Mineoro photos.

What this means, is that Jim Mitchell posed for (at least) 2 LRL companies, using the same "treasure."

- Carl

*There is a reason Electroscopes has permission to post an article from LT... during the late 80's early 90's, LT magazine catered heavily to Escopes. Not just the normal advertising, but also a few regular articles describing Escope treasure recoveries, and lots of cover photos. I've long suspected these articles and covers were plants paid for by Escopes. I have more info on this regarding Jim Mitchell's testimonial, but I need to see if I can confirm it.
Nice one! :D

Well my friend, it's HIGHLY unlikely that Mineoro had any kind of comercial agreement with Mr. Mitchell in the past, unlike Jim Thomas's Electroscopes.
Again - it's not Mineoro's fault. Well, it couldn't possibly be, could it! :rolleyes:

?????????????????????????
You're pathetic.
There's a lot of us here...:eek:

[Esteban]

I ask Alonso the year that Mr. Mitchell found the pile of coins and he told me was 1986 or 1987.

* * * * *

The article describes Jim Mitchell's use of an Escope to find a clump of fused-together silver dollars. The Lost Treasure version of the article includes a picture of Jim holding the silver dollars, and I've attached it below. It might be difficult to see, but from the pic in the magazine it's very apparent that it's the same clump of silver dollars shown in the Mineoro photos.

Carl: I don't see in Mineoro's site or brochures the photos I was post. So Mineoro DON'T USE THESE PHOTOS FOR ADVERTISEMENTS. Also, any type of article regarding Mr. Mitchell. Is this clear for you?

* * * * *

What this means, is that Jim Mitchell posed for (at least) 2 LRL companies, using the same "treasure."

- Carl

Well, that involves the additional info I have, which suggests that no LRL was involved at all in finding the coins, and that Mr. Mitchell was paid by both companies.

Looks like everyone involved was cheating...

Very temerary, very. If isn't involved LRLs, IS involved metal detector of famous brands. Now, find you another article, but with famous brand involved.

* * * * *

There is a reason Electroscopes has permission to post an article from LT... during the late 80's early 90's, LT magazine catered heavily to Escopes. Not just the normal advertising, but also a few regular articles describing Escope treasure recoveries, and lots of cover photos. I've long suspected these articles and covers were plants paid for by Escopes. I have more info on this regarding Jim Mitchell's testimonial, but I need to see if I can confirm it.


Please, find Mr. Mitchell's photos in any Mineoro's advertisement.


* * * * *


It destroys the credibility of both company's claims.

I think no need to autodestroy, from this thread since many time persons persist in destroy all out his orbit.


Oh, I don't think for a second that Mineoro is an innocent victim in all this. And I suspect you knew about all this before I posted it.

- Carl

OK. If you're sure, you'll probe it!!!



I don't think Mineoro paid Mr. Mitchell, Mineoro never paid ANYBODY, never paid ME, never paid HUNG, never paid OTHERS for the setup of this scenario. I know Mr. Damásio and Mr. Alonso, I can tell all you that they are good men, THEY DON'T MAKE THIS TYPE OF BANDIT'S JOB!!!

Carl and others: Do you want to investigate the several times manufacturers paid "treasure hunters" for to appears with a famous brand? Not cache found with machine, found accidentally!!!

In the same way you and others insist in the old witch-hunting of Inquisition regarding this: any kind of LRLs is fraud, you MUST PERSECUTE all type of frauds.

Carl, a simple question: Do you think remote sensing for find metals is possible?

Another: is Geotech site sponsored by brand(s)?

Alonso told me Mr. Mitchell died 2 years ago. Requiescat In Pace!

[hung]

So Mineoro DON'T USE THESE PHOTOS FOR ADVERTISEMENTS. Also, any type of article regarding Mr. Mitchell. Is this clear for you?

Good one Esteban. That's it. People here sometimes 'trips' and talks too much!
Thanks fo your coments on the case bringing elements to elucidate it.
Mineoro DOES NOT PAY ANYBODY AND WHERE IS MR. MITCHELL'S PICTURES AT MINEORO SITE CLAIMING ANYTHING?
ANSWER. NO PICTURES AT ALL! THEY DID NOT CLAIM NOTHING ABOUT HIM!

Now Esteban, I bring elements from Damasio's part.

This is the story regarding Mineoro.
In the eighties, Mr. John Baldwin , council of England and a Mineoro detector user was the link to introduce Damasio to Mr. Mitchell, a Fort Worth, Texas electrician with a very modest life. He had told Baldwin he had found the coins using the DCH85M a short time back and wanted to show Damasio.
Well this man went to the Airport to meet Damasio at the time of his trip to US to open a Mineoro branch close to a highway I think in Nevada or California. The detectors were being a sucess there, since the case of the discovery of the Atocha's motherload and the recognition of Charles Garret himself(Garret detectors), when the old watch recovery episode in the Garret premises took place.

Well when Damasio arrived there, Mitchel had the coins in his hands to show him claiming they were found using the DCH a while back. Damasio looked at them with curiosity and satisfaction.
Then the problems started. With everything ready for the opening of Mineoro in the US, Mitchell all of a sudden started to change his story. He now stated the coins were not found with the DCH 85. That took everybody by surprise and this fact was a huge negative publicity to Mineoro. The branch never opened but I can't tell if this was the only reason however.

Two years later, Alonso receives a phone call from Mitchell which he stated that he was forced to lie. His partner someone called 'Dawson' or 'Dotson' Smith, had entered the manufaturing of LRLs, mainly special dowsing rods, and looked at Mineoro detectors as an imediate threat to his invention. He told Alonso that for reasons not explained Smith forced him to lie. Two years have passed so he felt safe to tell him the true story. In fact the coins were not the only objects he found with the DCH85M. Mitchell died a few years ago. Correct info again Esteban.
*****************

Esteban is absolutely right. Mineoro NEVER offered money to anybody simply because the DON'T NEED IT AT ALL!! The detectors work as advertised and the list of findings and sucess users are true.
This is for bandits and only perversed minds can even suggest the opposite.

Whatever 'celebrity' here who wishes to confirm the occurence in Garret's factory in 1984, can contact Garret Jr. , since Garret senior is no longer with us. Ask him to tell how his father acted like a child when he put the watch in his hands and runned in circles so happy he was, after Alonso detected it with the PROTOTYPE of the DCH85. He even paid 10,000 dollars for it at the time.
Damasio remembers Baldwin saying to him :'Hey Garret, you never even found a soft drink top here in your own factory using any of your detectors. How's that for a start?"

Since this might involve egos, I don't know if Garret Jr. would wish to corroborate that. But he knows it's true. He was there.

* * * * *
[quote]Another: is Geotech site sponsored by brand(s)?[/quote}

That I would love to know as I have a 'wild guess' on it. Do you want some clues?:D

[Esteban]

Hi Hung

Thanks for the history. Very details. I love it.

I know the words of Mr. Baldwin to Mr. Garrett.

Garrett had much US$ for put in production the invention, pistol type RF. But Mr. John Baldwin at last moment don't wish to sell, and the business ends. Mr. John was partner in the invention.


Do you want some clues?

Yes, I want. :D

[Dell Winders]

Jim Mitchell, was a friend of mine. When Thomas Affalini, published that Jim's finds were found with the Electroscope, Jim sent a letter to Electroscope, and Lost Treasure magazine, emphatically denying that he had found anything with the Electroscope. A retraction or apology was never made,to my knowledge.

Jim Mitchell, was a real, true grit, Treasure Hunter. it was his life. Dell

[Qiaozhi]

That I would love to know as I have a 'wild guess' on it. Do you want some clues?:D
You don't need to guess. Carl funds Geotech from his own pocket.:cool:
You should be grateful.:p

[hung]

Do you want some clues?

Yes, I want. :D

First clue: Texas.

[hung]

You don't need to guess. Carl funds Geotech from his own pocket.:cool:

Yeah, right...

You should be grateful.:p

I am.

[Carl-NC]

When Thomas Affalini, published that Jim's finds were found with the Electroscope, Jim sent a letter to Electroscope, and Lost Treasure magazine, emphatically denying that he had found anything with the Electroscope. A retraction or apology was never made,to my knowledge.

This correlates to what I was told years ago in an email. I was also told the silver dollars were found with a metal detector, no mention of Mineoro. The email must be from my Compuserve days, and I no longer have it, nor can I remember who sent it.

There is still a problem with this issue. There is a photo of Jim Mitchell holding an Escope in one hand, and silver dollars in the other. If he did not genuinely find the silver dollars with the Escope, then there aren't many ethical reasons he would pose for this photo, and any other photos of him posing with an LRL cannot be trusted.

- Carl

[Carl-NC]

So Mineoro DON'T USE THESE PHOTOS FOR ADVERTISEMENTS. Also, any type of article regarding Mr. Mitchell. Is this clear for you?

Uh... you guys are using the photos for advertising, right here on this forum, apparently with the knowledge & consent of Mineoro.

Carl and others: Do you want to investigate the several times manufacturers paid "treasure hunters" for to appears with a famous brand? Not cache found with machine, found accidentally!!!
Sure, give me some examples and I'll take a look.

Carl, a simple question: Do you think remote sensing for find metals is possible?
I have yet to see any LRL device work. That includes Mineoro.

Another: is Geotech site sponsored by brand(s)?
No. I pay 100% of the costs of running this site. The $25,000 prize is funded 100% by me. The 24 LRLs, roughly 100 metal detectors, and any other equipment I own, were paid for entirely by me.

The only advertising you will see on Geotech are complementary banners for the publishers who gave me permission to post copyrighted material.

- Carl

[hung]

Uh... you guys are using the photos for advertising, right here on this forum, apparently with the knowledge & consent of Mineoro.

1 - The only picture showing a Mineoro logo Esteban posted here is the one including Mr. Mitchell. And his intention was for record purposes. Most of the time he posts pictures of his team and their detectors made by him.

I myself, don't do advertisements. I discuss the LRL I happen to own.

2 - Mineoro is not aware of the 'advertisement' you talk about and don't care for it. Damasio never watched this forum. Maybe because I am a user and told him about the existence of this site he possibly MIGHT look at here a few times for now one... Who knows..




I have yet to see any LRL device work. That includes Mineoro.


No. I pay 100% of the costs of running this site. The $25,000 prize is funded 100% by me. The 24 LRLs, roughly 100 metal detectors, and any other equipment I own, were paid for entirely by me.

The only advertising you will see on Geotech are complementary banners for the publishers who gave me permission to post copyrighted material.

- Carl

The same way you seem to be skeptical about Mineoro I am totally skeptical at your claim regarding sponsors in your site.

Also your reports were made with the LRLs have the true intention of making believe they all don't work.
Although some of them might not, I am positive some might work. So the impression all LRLs don't work is CLEARLY a cult started by you to fit some kind of agenda which apparently has some reason to happen other than what it looks.

[Carl-NC]

The same way you seem to be skeptical about Mineoro I am totally skeptical at your claim regarding sponsors in your site.

You are free to believe what you want, and I encourage you to find and post evidence that I've accepted money from any sponsors, ever.

Also your reports were made with the LRLs have the true intention of making believe they all don't work.
I report what I find. If I find one that works, I'll report that.

Although some of them might not, I am positive some might work.
Can you name one?

So the impression all LRLs don't work is CLEARLY a cult started by you to fit some kind of agenda which apparently has some reason to happen other than what it looks.
All the manufacturers are well aware of my $25,000 prize. If any of the LRLs I've reported on Really Work, then someone should step up and take my money.

- Carl

[Qiaozhi]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Qiaozhi http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/showthread.php?p=46013#post46013)
You don't need to guess. Carl funds Geotech from his own pocket.:cool:


Yeah, right...

Quote:
You should be grateful.:p

I am.
How can you be grateful, when you don't believe the first statement?:confused:
Anyway, Carl has now told you ->
I pay 100% of the costs of running this site. The $25,000 prize is funded 100% by me. The 24 LRLs, roughly 100 metal detectors, and any other equipment I own, were paid for entirely by me.

The only advertising you will see on Geotech are complementary banners for the publishers who gave me permission to post copyrighted material.

:D

[Kev]

Hung said to Carl:
So the impression all LRLs don't work is CLEARLY a cult started by you to fit some kind of agenda which apparently has some reason to happen other than what it looks.[/quote]

Hung, anyone with a scant understanding of high school physics knows instinctively that the possibility of any hand held electronic device enabling a person to detect a cache of metal at any distance greater than a few feet is delusion.

I arrived at this conclusion myself many years ago without Carl's help, just by reading electroscope adds in magazines. I couldn't believe that 'people ' could sell this sort of rubbish in the US and get away with it. The US at that time seemed to be this gleaming model of civility somehow, perhaps I was only then just awakening to the reality of just how corrupt this world is, and the adage "a fool and his money are easily parted" had to come from somewhere.

If people would only realise they'd be better investing their money in a good piece of art, because in the end it will return a better investment than any LRL will. If you have to have some form of aid, all you really need is a random beeps generator, because if you go to enough likely places, and dig enough holes, the odds are that eventually "it will go beep" just at the right time to locate something of some sort.

You only need to step back (I mean Hung and Esteban) and just objectively look at your behaviour on this thread. It started as an examination of a Mineoro 210, and for some strange reason you start posting stuff about an obscure find with DCH85, or whatever that occurred over a quarter of a century ago, this is really weird.

I like others here are curious as to just what technology this Mineoro utilises if any, maybe the sensor is some form of flux measuring device making this a crude magnetometer, or something. I certainly hope it does do something , if only for the sakes of all those people who have folked out money, and lots of it to boot!
Even if it does do something more than random beeps, it's still not worth the exorbitant price Mineoro place on it, no way.

How's it going Alex?

That sensor wasn't booby trapped was it?:(

Kev.

[hung]

You are free to believe what you want, and I encourage you to find and post evidence that I've accepted money from any sponsors, ever.

I will. But I'm not saying receiving money from sponsors is bad. That's capitalism. But then there will always be interests into play.


I report what I find. If I find one that works, I'll report that.

I really doubt it. You made your reputation on this and the day it happens your cult is over.



All the manufacturers are well aware of my $25,000 prize. If any of the LRLs I've reported on Really Work, then someone should step up and take my money.

- Carl

I still insist this is only a marketing/propaganda strategy a 'la Randi' than a serious thing to be considered. I know about Kelly Brown's challenge and in my view you had agreed at first then as Mike claimed, you started to twist the rules, although you might state the opposite.
You have the right to allegate anything in your defense. I have the right to perceive things as happened and make my own conclusions.

I admire tough and thank you for providing a forum with a 'Remote Sensing' topic.
It's one of the few places we can discuss these things.
But you're aware that despite of this space exist to provide discussion on the subject, it's destined to miscredit, bashing, scamming, etc., when not from yourself, from other members based on your line of thought.
That's why Dell Winders frequently refers to 'skeptics cult agenda'. He's absolutely right.
Will it change anything? I don't think so. People who owns working LRLs will go on finding gold and people who never had one, will go on thinking it is a fraud and never get any or leaving his role of skeptics in forums like this one.
That's how things are. That's life. Some get it, some not.

PS. I believe Dell's devices might work, although I've never used one of them. Just by reading his concepts I agree.
I don't need to spot air to know it exists, but unfortunately many do.

[Kev]

Just like Santos Dumont invented the airplane, Damasio and Alonso invented the first true wroking long range locator.
I love those guys.:)

I seriously think you are the one that's in a cult, or is it the occult?

[Kev]

Hey Alexismex,
Are you there?
The Brazilian mafias not got to I hope?
Even worse, Mineoro have not made an offer you can't refuse?
:confused:

[Carl-NC]

Hung, this is my last post on this topic. If this were a Mineoro-sponsored forum, you would not see any skeptical posts. If this were a Garrett-sponsored forum, you would not see any pro-LRL posts. How many of your posts have been deleted?

Despite my own skepticisms, I have tried to maintain a forum for completely open discussions on remote sensing. If it seems to be overly anti-LRL, that's because there are a lot of skeptics. But I still welcome the discussions, and have never ever censored anything pro-Mineoro.

Believe it or not, I will pay $25,000 for a demonstration of a working LRL. Your insistence that my challenge is a gimmick has become the default excuse for people who wish they could take my money, but know they cannot.

And, finally, you can believe Dell's devices might work, but I know they do not.

Now, on to the topic at hand... Alexismex, I hope you will continue with your investigation of the CDM210.

- Carl

[Alexismex]

Hello Forum,
Don't worry, next week i willpost the inside of the famous Mineoro sensor (i have no time last week) and after i will post the tracing board and schematic ...shure
Saludos a todos

[Geo]

Hello Forum,
Don't worry, next week i willpost the inside of the famous Mineoro sensor (i have no time last week) and after i will post the tracing board and schematic ...shure
Saludos a todos

We wait for the inside Mineoro sensor.
Best regards:)

[Dell Winders]

And, finally, you can believe Dell's devices might work, but I know they do not.

Carl, I see you are still inferring that I am a liar. I've got news for you. I've been successfully utilizing the Remote Sensing Frequency discrimination concept a Professional Treasure Hunter for many years before you came on the internet with your BS, and attempts to make a name for yourself with the Skeptic cult by libeling my name and smearing my life long reputation for honesty.

I'll put the number of people I know who you refer to as somehow being mistaken, mis-guided, or liars, that have been aided in finding and recovering Treasure with LRL & MFD, against the number of people who have ever passed your copycat Publicity Scam challenge, any day.

The only person I have ever witnessed who posts a greater display of intellectual ignorance on this subject is your nutcase supporter Sam Scafferi, and his many internet aliases.

You need to get yourself a strong pair of crutches because you don't have a rational, or Scientific leg to stand on.

You say you have purchased and own more than 20 LRL's that you can't use? That sounds like some Sicko's obsession. Who in their right mind would waste money owning so many LRL's and claim they don't work??

Wake up Carl, you are dreaming Looney Tunes. Common logic dictates that LRL's work as I say they do, or I wouldn't have been able to use them successfully myself for the past 27 years in my own treasure searches, nor would I be busy building the same devices I use in the field for repeat, and "word of mouth customers"

"WHAT HAS BEEN DONE, CAN BE DONE"

Thanks for the coin. It doesn't take rocket Science, or an EE to figure that an AM receiver will work. Any tech with a little knowledge of physics, could have figured that out. Dell

[ivconic]

:)
Carl:
"The only advertising you will see on Geotech are complementary banners for the publishers
who gave me permission to post copyrighted material."

THIS IS SO USUALL. I DO NOT SEE ANY PROBLEM ABOUT THIS.IT SUPPPOSED TO BE LIKE THAT.I AGREE AND
I SALUTE THIS KIND OF DOING THINGS.NOTHING WRONG IN IT.

Hung:
"1 - The only picture showing a Mineoro logo Esteban posted here is the one including Mr.
Mitchell. And his intention was for record purposes. Most of the time he posts pictures
of his team and their detectors made by him.
I myself, don't do advertisements. I discuss the LRL I happen to own."

HA! HUNG YOU ARE NOT REAL!YOU ARE MAIN PROPONENT HERE! WHERE ARE YOUR DISCUSSIONS HERE?!
I CAN ONLY SEE EMPTY CLAIMS WITHOUT ANY BACKGROUND. WHERE ARE YOUR PROOFS? WHERE IS YOUR
TECHNICAL BACKGROUND? WHERE IS YOUR LOGIC?!

Hung:
"2 - Mineoro is not aware of the 'advertisement' you talk about and don't care for it.
Damasio never watched this forum. Maybe because I am a user and told him about the
existence of this site he possibly MIGHT look at here a few times for now one...
Who knows.."
MAYBE COSE YOUR JOB IS TO BASH HERE AND OTHER FORUMS? MAYBE COSE YOU ARE PAYED FROM MINEORO
TO "SUCK" MORE NAIVE CUSTOMERS. ANY SOLD DEVICE MORE - MORE MONEY FOR YOU? MAYBE YOU
MISSUSING THIS HONEST PLACE TO BASH AND MAKE MORE MONEY?

Hung:
"I will. But I'm not saying receiving money from sponsors is bad. That's capitalism.
But then there will always be interests into play."

DO YOU HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT? AND BY YOU, WHAT IS NOT CAPITALISM???????
MINEOROS WAY OF DOING......IS NOT CAPITALISM? NONSENCED,NON-WORKABLE,FRAUD DEVICE FOR $8000
IS NOT CAPITALISM...??????
WHAT PROBLEM DO YOU HAVE WITH SO CALLED "CAPITALISM"...??????

Hung:
"I admire tough and thank you for providing a forum with a 'Remote Sensing' topic.
It's one of the few places we can discuss these things.
But you're aware that despite of this space exist to provide discussion on the subject,
it's destined to miscredit, bashing, scamming, etc., when not from yourself, from other
members based on your line of thought."

MISCREDIT,BASHING,SCAMMING ARE PROVOKED BY POSTS LIKE YOURS! WHAT DID YOU EXPECTED? MEDAL...?
YOU SHOULD BE VERY HAPPY GAINING ONLY ARGUE AND LAUGH..
YOU SHOULD RESPECT FACT THAT HERE ON THIS FORUM THERE IS A PLACE EVEN FOR NONSENCES LIKE YOURS!
DESPITE SUCH A BIG PILE OF NONSENCES POSTED HERE.....YOU ARE STILL HERE????AND YOU ARE STILL
POSTING....NOBODY STOPS YOU....SO WHAT ARE YOU COMPLAINING ABOUT????

Carl:
"Hung, this is my last post on this topic. If this were a Mineoro-sponsored forum,
you would not see any skeptical posts. If this were a Garrett-sponsored forum, you would
not see any pro-LRL posts. How many of your posts have been deleted?
Despite my own skepticisms, I have tried to maintain a forum for completely open
discussions on remote sensing. If it seems to be overly anti-LRL, that's because there
are a lot of skeptics. But I still welcome the discussions, and have never ever censored
anything pro-Mineoro."

THIS IS ALSO MY LAST POST ON THIS TOPIC TOO.....CARL YOU ARE DOING JUST FINE! CONGRATULATION!
DO NOT LET BE DISTURBED BY ANYBODY! THIS IS THE VERY BEST FORUM EVER! I HAVE BEEN VISITED EVERY
OTHER PLACE ON THE .NET WITH SIMILLAR SUBJECT AND I CAN TELL YOU, THEY ARE OUT OF COMPETITION
WITH THIS PLACE! KEEP UP THIS THING!
HUNG YOU ARE ALSO VERY WELCOME HERE! DO NOT UNDERSTAND ME WRONG. IT IS GOOD TO SEE ANY OTHER
OPTION HERE....EVEN NONSENCED ONE! SOMETIMES ARGUE WITH YOU ARE SO LIBERATING AND FUN!
IF YOU WANT TO BE TAKEN MORE SERIOUSLY YOU SHOULD TRY TO PROVIDE MUCH MORE REAL STUFF HERE.
NOT A BIG DEAL IF YOU MANAGE SOMEHOW TO POST SOME TECHNICAL ABOUT YOUR BELOVED DEVICE....
DO NOT BE AFFRAID TO POST SOME SCHEMATIC(IF THERE IS ANY).....SOME TECHNICAL TIP.....
THIS IS TECHNICAL FORUM...YOU KNOW?
STOP A BIT WITH ADVERTISMENTS AND GIVE MUCH MORE REAL STUFF HERE!
FOR EXAMPLE YOU TAKE ESTEBANS BEHAVIOR....HE IS ALSO LRL'ST BUT HE CONTRIBUTED SO MUCH WITH
TECHNICAL POSTS....WE CAN BE VERY GOOD FRIENDS,NO MATTER IF HE IS LRL'ST AND I AM NOT....
I DO NOT AGREE IN MANY THINGS WITH HIM,BUT I DO RESPECT HIM MUCH.
WHY NOT YOU? I CAN RESPECT YOU TOO. BUT BE MORE REAL....
REGARDS

P.S.
AND PLEASE STOP PRONOUNCING HERE RUBBISH LIKE:
"MR.DAMASIO TOLD ME.....MR.ALONSO TOLD ME.....I JUST PHONE MINEORO....HE CALLED ME....ETC"

IF SO GRACED MR.DAMASIO AND MR.ALONSO HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY....THEY CAN REGISTER,LOG IN AND
COME HERE TO SAY....PASSING THEIR BUZZ'S HERE LOOK LIKE YOU ARE THEIR ADVOCATE....VERY FUNNY!
YOUR PHONE CALLS TO MINEORO ARE NOT INTERESTED AT ALL. IT PROVES NOTHING.IT JUST PROVOKES
PEOPLE TO LAUGH MORE....ALSO IT LOOKS LIKE THEY(dAMASIO AND aLONSO) ARE VERY ILLITERATE SO
THEY NEED SOMEONE TO PROCURATE THEIR INTERESTS HERE!?
MY NAME IS IVICA CONIC, THEREFORE MY NICK IS IVCONIC.....I DO PROCURATE MY AND ONLY MINE
INTERESTS HERE....THEREFORE HERE I AM, I AM SPEAKING ONLY ABOUT MY OWN EXPERIENCES.....
I DO RESPECT WHITE'S,FISHER,GARRETT,MINELAB AND MANY OTHERS....BUT I DO HAVE VERY POSITIVE
EXPERIENCES WITH THEIR PRODUCTS! THAT'S WHY...
WITH MINEOROS PRODUCTS I DO HAVE ONLY NEGATIVE,BAD EXPERIENCES
SO I CAN NOT RESPECT MINEORO UNTIL SOMETHING GOOD SHOWS UP FROM THEM!
NAKED TRUTH!
EVEN SO, I CAN STILL CRITICIZE FISHER,WHITES,MINELAB AND GARRETT FOR SOME MINOR
OR VERY RARE SOME MAJOR LASHER IN THEIR DEVICES IN MANNER THAT IT COULD BE MUCH BETTER
SOLUTED.....
BUT STILL REMAINS THE FACT THAT THOSE DEVICES ARE WORKABLE AND VERY USABLE...
WHICH IS NOT THE CASE WITH MINEORO DEVICES I HAD ON TEST SO FAR!?
SO AT THE END WHAT SHOULD BE CONCLUSION HERE.....
EITHER CHANGE YOUR ATTITUDE HERE OR YOU'LL BE TAKEN EVEN LESS SERIOUSLY IN FUTURE...

BUT IF YOU DO NOT CARE HOW PEOPLE HERE GONNNA TREAT YOU......THAN DO NOT COME HERE ANY
MORE....IF YOU ARE LUCKY ONE,RICH ONE,SATISFIED ONE THAN STAY AS YOU ARE...THERE IN YOUR
PLACE....LIVE FOREVER....DO NOT COME HERE JUST TO BASH AND PROVOKE...
OTHERWISE IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING REAL TO SAY....YOU ARE VERY WELCOME!!!

:) :) :)

[hung]

1 - This off-subject started when Esteban posted a picture of Mr. Mitchell holding a DCH85. Then Carl came in insinuating suspitions and he brought 'clues'(?!) to supposedly back up his claims.

Fact is that his insinuations leading to believe Mineoro paid Mr. Mitchell or it was an advertisement gimmick were put to shreds in a instant, as I and Esteban imediately researched the story and brought the REAL FACT.

So this pretty much ilustrates a clear attempt of trying to get Mineoro caught in a 'lie' or in a 'dishonest' situation. But it failed.
I might be called a Mineoro deffender. Naturally, I know the detectors work and although I still did not find something big with it, except for the gold veins discovered, it's just because I still found no time to go in the field for sometime, which I will next month.

Now, with this occurence and the insinuation Carl posted made me really upset at the slightest insinuation Mineoro pays somebody to promote their products to falsely claim findings. This is disgusting and unacceptable.
I warned him his conclusions were premature before I could dig the real story.
I was right.


2 - Ivconic, you're from Servia I think isn't it? Just like 'Robert' and 'Sony', you show an uncommon 'anger' and 'irony' which leads to conclude you all come from the same region, and I am sorry this kind of attitude is considered 'standard' from a Serbian.
You mentioned you tried Mineoro detectors and they don't work. Can you name the models you used please?
I already told certain past models had deffective components. Let me know the models you claim to have tried.
But the attitude you show is very bad and unpolite. Instead of contacting the factory for a replacement, you insist in posting nonsenses about a more than possible bad detector. It's like beating a dead horse.
This is negative propaganda from negative people.

3 - I feel I already passed the phase to even discuss if the detectors work or not, so no coments from me about it anymore.

4 - For the last time. The detector can't be cloned. The pictures posted in the past and the ones which eventually appear are just for entertainment purposes. Just that.
Also no more coments from me about it.

[Geo]

Even the disagreements alone that they accomplished is they advertize products mjneoro more. I am sorry other the capital remote sensing ended up advertising page mjneoro. I believe that the Carl made this page for other things. The alone reason that remain in forum is for the conscientious efforts certain (Ivconic..Esteban..bbsailor..Carl..Reg.. etc). I wish it is improved shortly. :( :(

[Qiaozhi]

FOR EXAMPLE YOU TAKE ESTEBANS BEHAVIOR....HE IS ALSO LRL'ST BUT HE CONTRIBUTED SO MUCH WITH
TECHNICAL POSTS....WE CAN BE VERY GOOD FRIENDS,NO MATTER IF HE IS LRL'ST AND I AM NOT....
I DO NOT AGREE IN MANY THINGS WITH HIM,BUT I DO RESPECT HIM MUCH.
WHY NOT YOU? I CAN RESPECT YOU TOO. BUT BE MORE REAL....

Yes - I agree. Well said Ivica Conic!

I feel I already passed the phase to even discuss if the detectors work or not, so no coments from me about it anymore.

Good. Let's leave it like that. ;)

Now, what was this topic about?
Oh yes - Inside the Mineoro 210.


Hello Forum,
Don't worry, next week i willpost the inside of the famous Mineoro sensor (i have no time last week) and after i will post the tracing board and schematic ...shure
Saludos a todos

Then the truth will be revealed. :D

[Carl-NC]

Geo, this forum does allow the opportunity for advocates to promote their favorite LRL. But, as Alexismex has shown, it gives other people the same opportunity to discuss the inner workings of LRLs. If those inner workings turn out to be bogus, we all benefit. If those inner workings turn out to be real, we all benefit. So I think a wide-open forum will provide the best information.

- Carl

[Esteban]

I have yet to see any LRL device work. That includes Mineoro.

Carl, if you negate the possibility of long range metal detector, or of any non-conventional detector, you must be eliminate this subforum, yes SUBFORUM. The only subforum is: tan-tan-tan-tan!!! Yes, you're the winner: Remote Sensing! And more: near the garage sales, misc sections. Is an accident?

Uh... you guys are using the photos for advertising, right here on this forum, apparently with the knowledge & consent of Mineoro.

Carl: No, and I sorry why I don't ask Mr. Damásio or Mr. Alonso.


This correlates to what I was told years ago in an email. I was also told the silver dollars were found with a metal detector, no mention of Mineoro. The email must be from my Compuserve days, and I no longer have it, nor can I remember who sent it.

There is still a problem with this issue. There is a photo of Jim Mitchell holding an Escope in one hand, and silver dollars in the other. If he did not genuinely find the silver dollars with the Escope, then there aren't many ethical reasons he would pose for this photo, and any other photos of him posing with an LRL cannot be trusted.

- Carl

Of course, but if he pose with a conventional metal detector, is true! Also if found accidentally!

You can be all the skeptical you want. I gove you the tools for to investigate with all the witnesses in Texas (Galveston, Dallas...) who saw how works long distance metal detector for fine metals, like the both Garrett. Ask them, ask about this incredible significative coincidence: Pat Garrett's clock in the nearby of Garrett's factory.

Put the same energy in this. Yo'll be investigator, not only skeptical, I think in my modest opinion.


Alonso's labo in the 90's, no high-refinated than many. But demonstrates that invention borns in real sites. Many instruments are hand-made:

[Esteban]

Hey Alexismex,
Are you there?
The Brazilian mafias not got to I hope?
Even worse, Mineoro have not made an offer you can't refuse?
:confused:

Kev, Brazilians has good teachers in mafia out his borders!!!

[Esteban]

Hello Forum,
Don't worry, next week i willpost the inside of the famous Mineoro sensor (i have no time last week) and after i will post the tracing board and schematic ...shure
Saludos a todos

I expect that the persons can explain how works, because I know in the minimum details. I wait the wild guesses... :D

[Kev]

Hey Alexismex,
Are you there?
The Brazilian mafias not got to I hope?
Even worse, Mineoro have not made an offer you can't refuse?
:confused:

Kev, Brazilians has good teachers in mafia out his borders!!!

Say again Esteban, meu amigo eu não compreendo

[hung]

He means Brazilians have good mafia teachers already outside its borders.

**********

Esteban, how is your detector going?
You chose to employ a standard telescopic antenna attached to the chamber. How did you like it and do you consider using an infrared sensor instead?
The initial project for the FG series had a telescopic antenna as wel but the infra red proved superior.

[Kev]

Geo, this forum does allow the opportunity for advocates to promote their favorite LRL. But, as Alexismex has shown, it gives other people the same opportunity to discuss the inner workings of LRLs. If those inner workings turn out to be bogus, we all benefit. If those inner workings turn out to be real, we all benefit. So I think a wide-open forum will provide the best information.

- Carl

Carl I see among the ramblings of this misguided soul
http://www.rangertell.com/to_the_skeptic.htm
that you are left handed, as many Engineers seem to be, and for this reason the device in question didn't work. Did you per chance try holding it in your right hand?;)

[ivconic]

:rolleyes:
"Ivconic, you're from Servia I think isn't it? Just like 'Robert' and 'Sony', you show an uncommon 'anger' and 'irony' which leads to conclude you all come from the same region, and I am sorry this kind of attitude is considered 'standard' from a Serbian."

Serbia...please, not Servia! Ha,ha,ha....no worrys, no problem!
Yes, you are right! Sony,RObert,me,Strujas,Leto,Jackdetect......we all are from same region......
"Anger", "Irony"....and many other nice attributes are ornamenting our personalities.....
But please do not connect those with nationality....only with our very bad experiences with so many frauds arround the world...
Dont worry, your sensation is half good only. We are here to discuss,learn from each other and sometimes even to argue....nothing else.
I am just not satisfied with fact that no matter what is the REAL SUBJECT of some new thread, always YOU people shows with your old stories,advertisements,attacks......same old argue,same old rethorics.....
CAN WE JUST LEAVE SOME THREAD CLEAN TO SUBJECT ONLY, WITHOUT POLLUTING IT WITH SAME OLD **** AGAIN?
Cant we stick to subject only???

Subject here was inner composition of mineoro device.....A nice man offered to us some photos.....No need for argue,no need for advertisements.....
You have plenty of other already polluted threads with mineoro subject.....
Cant you stay there and continue with your nonsences there???
Why do you have such a strong need to be everywhere with your nonsences, to bug and bash everywhere...uninvited???!
Cant you just read thread without posting anything on it???!!
Just one time.....please!
regards
:rolleyes:

[hung]

:rolleyes:
"Cant you just read thread without posting anything on it???!!
Just one time.....please!
regards
:rolleyes:

Alright , can I then assume you will STAY OUT if I need to start a thread regarding the subject Mineoro?;)

[Esteban]

Hi Hung

Extremely sensitive. Can't attach directly the antenna justly regarding this high sensitivity, and the high impedance detector is very insensitive to AC. I'm sure of his capability for to detect old buried good conductive metals: this is easy and can't understand why anothers don't accept.

Infrared is one of the more incredibel! If you transmitt IR light will be better.

[hung]

Hi Hung

Extremely sensitive. Can't attach directly the antenna justly regarding this high sensitivity, and the high impedance detector is very insensitive to AC. I'm sure of his capability for to detect old buried good conductive metals: this is easy and can't understand why anothers don't accept.

Infrared is one of the more incredibel! If you transmitt IR light will be better.

Yes, that's how the FG chamber is like.
I'll email you later so we can talk better.
Tchau amigo.

[sony]

:mad:

Alexismex thanks again! For those about the REAL TRUTH we salute YOU!
..........
This is the first time i see my good friend ivconic using very sharp
language!?!?
Who pissed you ivconic? Hung? Ha,ha,ha.....
Come on Hung! You can not be serious?!
Are you trying to "mark" us,Serbs....???? "Anger","Irony"...

"...kind of attitude is considered 'standard' from a Serbian...."
What are you talking Hung??????? Are you "marking" some people here
by nationality......some people you dont like????
What,the hell, you know about Serbs, to talk that way?????
Are you insane?????
Are you gonna start new thread on that????
From very nonsenced advertisements you skipped to attacks and
"marking" on nationality level??????
Who is next??? Germans? Albanians? Bulgarians? Greeks?
Are you gonna make some lists by nationality here????
ASYLYM is the place you should go at once!
Otherwise you are very dangerous person to be free!
Until now, all your posts turns to be funny nonsences, but from now
you crossed the border man! Beware!


:mad:

[ivconic]

:rolleyes:
Hung:
"Alright , can I then assume you will STAY OUT if I need to start a thread regarding the subject Mineoro?"

It suits me just fine Hung! Why not?
Do we have a deal?
If yes, than i'll respect it in future!
:D

[Esteban]

Hi Hung

Few days ago, my friends Mr. Hassan and Mr. Gómez found a 1948 bronze coin 7 meters distance and a depth of 35 cm. Was with the model 2007, very stable.

Mr. Hassan told me the beeps was few, but they can center very well with the combinated control you can see here:

[sony]

:eek:
Hallloooo!! Esteban!!!! Anybody home????
Esteban,dear! Are you blind?
It seems that you not reading previous posts!? This thread is occupied by
another SUBJECT!!!
What you posting here is NOT SUBJECT man!
Post your posts and photos to proper thread Esteban....good man!
Lets keep clear threads by subjects.
Lets not mix up everything togather please!
best regards!
:eek:

[Leto]

Originally Posted by Esteban
You can be all the skeptical you want. I gove you the tools for to investigate with all the witnesses in Texas (Galveston, Dallas...) who saw how works long distance metal detector for fine metals, like the both Garrett. Ask them, ask about this incredible significative coincidence: Pat Garrett's clock in the nearby of Garrett's factory.


OCULIS MAGNA HABENDA FIDES QUAM AURIBUS. - It is more important to trust our eyes than ears.
Sory Hung and Esteban you are to much connected to mineoro to trust you (nothing personal), telling some old stories and naming some known names will not help you either....

We sceptics need PROOF - is it so hard to understand???

Or at least one forum member not conected directly to LRL manufacturers - I know one guy Mosha by his nickname.. he tested mineoro in country with low humidity and lots of buried gold....
Originally Posted by Mosha
I bought DC2007 before two months but there is no success yet!
Originally Posted by Mosha
I have mineoro DC2007 for more than 3 months.
the problem with mineoro the tuning because it affected by a lot of interference, like mobile phones, some clothes, gasoline vehicles, lightning, some kind of waves.
that is why when it beebs I can not make sure if I got a real target or not.

Sorry Mosha for quoting you here...I respect your sincerity.

Oh yes .... I know all your probable answers :
Originally Posted by hung
This is normal and all detectors in the world will get the same interference.

Originally Posted by Esteban
Most of the persons use incorrectly this detector.
Originally Posted by hung
I totally agree.
Those people actually need two detectors. The Mineoro to detect gold and another detector to detect if they are doing it right...
Originally Posted by Dell Winders
There is a bit of a catch 22, to learn to use the Mineoro.
:eek:

[Jim]

:eek:
Hallloooo!! Esteban!!!! Anybody home????
Esteban,dear! Are you blind?
It seems that you not reading previous posts!? This thread is occupied by
another SUBJECT!!!
What you posting here is NOT SUBJECT man!
Post your posts and photos to proper thread Esteban....good man!
Lets keep clear threads by subjects.
Lets not mix up everything togather please!
best regards!
:eek:

It is painfully obvious that “hung” and “Esteban” always delve into aimless chat/banter/off-topic discussion whenever their beloved Mineoro fraud/scam is on the verge of exposure.

You are correct, Sony. Lets not mix up everything together (again).

Carl…Admin? Gentle nudge, eh? ;)

[Esteban]

I repeat: Most of the persons use incorrectly this detector.



It is more important to trust our eyes than ears.

No machine wich travel through the time I have for to show you! When somebody wish investigate against Mineoro or me or Hung, or against the REAL FACT OF LONG DISTANCE DETECTION, no hesitate in "investigate". But in other case, no very rigid in his appreciations.



Sory Hung and Esteban you are to much connected to mineoro to trust you (nothing personal), telling some old stories and naming some known names will not help you either....

... but I must trust in you and others when they explain his cases.


This discussion never ends. Grammatici certant, et adhuc sub iudice lis est.

[Qiaozhi]

Carl I see among the ramblings of this misguided soul
http://www.rangertell.com/to_the_skeptic.htm
that you are left handed, as many Engineers seem to be, and for this reason the device in question didn't work. Did you per chance try holding it in your right hand?;)
Crikey! :eek: :eek:
All that c**p I wrote about Schumann resonance and Avramenko's Fork has appeared on the Ranger-Tell website as evidence of the correct operating principles. I'm flabbergasted! :rolleyes: Especially since I made up the whole thing. :cool:
Go and read it. It's good for a laugh. :D

[hung]

Hi Esteban,

It's surprising news, as your friends got a DC2007 which apparently have stable ICs.
They could pinpoint it due to the centralizer knob, making just the 'nose' active.

By the way , have you tried a FG80 yet?
Thanks for the info.

[Kev]

It is painfully obvious that “hung” and “Esteban” always delve into aimless chat/banter/off-topic discussion whenever their beloved Mineoro fraud/scam is on the verge of exposure.

You are correct, Sony. Lets not mix up everything together (again).

Carl…Admin? Gentle nudge, eh? ;)


Jim you hit the nail square on the head, what you say is exactly what is happening. Perhaps some sort of diversionary tactic, or smoke screen to truncate the continuity of building evidence against these devices being of any benefit whatsoever.

Don't they realise that if there was any merit in these things that commercial geophysical explorations would be using "LRL technology"
It all boils down to divining, that's why real mining companies don't employ these means....simple.
Kev.

[hung]

that's why real mining companies don't employ these means....simple.
Kev.

Again, don't state things you don't know.
There are a lot of miners here employing Mineoro detectors. Mato Grosso, Goias, Minas Gerais, Para, are examples of Brazilian states where the Mneoros are used sucessfully.

See that's the problem with this subject here lately. People start to emiit opinions as facts.
Just make sure you state it's your opinion. If it happens to be true the claim will be supported, if not, it will be refuted with FACTS.

[Kev]

Again, don't state things you don't know.
There are a lot of miners here employing Mineoro detectors. Mato Grosso, Goias, Minas Gerais, Para, are examples of Brazilian states where the Mneoros are used sucessfully.

See that's the problem with this subject here lately. People start to emiit opinions as facts.
Just make sure you state it's your opinion. If it happens to be true the claim will be supported, if not, it will be refuted with FACTS.

You tell me then Hung, which Universities, Mineral Exploration companies, or Geological Survey Institutes in Australia, New Zealand or South Africa use these devices, I'd be very interested to know?

[hung]

You tell me then Hung, which Universities, Mineral Exploration companies, or Geological Survey Institutes in Australia, New Zealand or South Africa use these devices, I'd be very interested to know?

No. Not in those countries AFAIK. The miners I was told are from countries in South America and the competition among them is ferocious. They absolutley don't want any divulging because the device means a clear advantage over the competition.
Some of them use the new FG80 to check if workers are carrying nuggets from the mine in the end of day.

Mineoro is planing later this year or early next, a debut entry in US with demonstrations.

[Kev]

Well, Carl's descriptions of what he thinks the parts of Mineoro are... I tell you. Very singular...
With all respect to his supposed engineering background it's like someone looking at a radio and spoting a fax modem.:D

I think you over complicate things, I think it's more like someone looking at a talking Barbie and spoting a Furbee.:p

[Esteban]

Hey, Hung:

Carl move in this thread all the "nonsense". As the trash can.

[ivconic]

:)
Yes good decision...When we want to argue and spit on each other,this should be the place for that....Very nice ended!
Ha!
:)

[Qiaozhi]

:)
Yes good decision...When we want to argue and spit on each other,this should be the place for that....Very nice ended!
Ha!
:)
So it's more like a spittoon than a trash can. :eek: