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hung

07-27-2006, 07:10 PM

PRELIMINARY 1

First, I really wish the device had arrived prior to the weekend when I went to my friend's place out of state. But if the PDC 210 rocked, this one model theoretically would surpass it. Well... I'm not there anymore, so you just can't get what you want all the time...

The FG80 arrived this morning and the first thing I noticed when I unwrapped the package is that it feels slightly lighter than the PDC 210. Good, because for long sessions, it will be less fatiguing.

I has only one knob. A numbered pot in which you can lock the best setting through a switch.

In the afternnon I had a little spare time and performed initial tests. The manual says to simply turn the knob up until beeps are heard, then you go back one turn or more (based on the numbers gauge). Unlike the PDC in which you fine tune two knobs and if you exaggerate you hear an ocasional beep, in the case of the FG80, no beep is heard after calibration, which you do aiming the antenna perpendicular to ground. Also there's an infrared sensor at the top of the 'black nose', quoting Esteban..

I imediately headed to the beach for a quick check on how it would react at the two targets I have here at sea. Probably shipwrecks. When I pointed the device, no beep was heard. Then I kept increasing sensibility till it beeped distinguishly. And I'll tell you.. Unlike the PDC which used to give an ocasional beep in that direction, the FG beeped loudly and when precisely over the target I believe, the beep turned into a continuous sound. Yeah, scream baby!
Being seasoned to the PDC, and as no beep was heard following the manual's recomended calibration, I ramdonly calibrated it until I had the result expected.
Since this new model circuitry works in the edge depending on the humidity rate, mine here is currently around 55 to 60%, I believe the distance was too far for a standard calibration, so when I decided to increase the sensibility on my own, I got the beeps. The manual says the best possible range is achieved in humidities lower than 30%, so as I am almost 100% higher in humidity, the detection power was more than fair, specialy because the PDC gave me 2 targets. But the FG clearly gave me a third one which the PDC might have missed. Don't know for sure yet.
Probably if it is truly a shpwreck, then the gold must have spread in the sea floor along the decades.
One thing I noticed tough is that if you increase too much the sensibility and you happen to hit a target, the detector being so sensitive, may trigger the signal somehow to a point where the beeps turn constant and you really have to decrease the knob in several turns..

As I had not much time, I did not did a search at the beach yet to see if I find something. I headed back home and tried its ability to beep at gold in air.
I used my wedding ring for this. Once more, it feels like you are tuning a radio, for best calibration. In my case, I increased fine tuning to a point where I could pick up the ring in several distances. Being from milimeters away from the nose to a max of 10 feet. Could be more distant tough, but I had to recalibrate it several times to get it.
One point to mention. It's not all the time the ring is sensed. Sometimes yes, sometimes not. Since my humidity is a little high, I believe it's got to do with it. So if the ring is not sensed at one particular instant, no big deal, the fine tuning vary according to your objective.
Next time I will do a search in the beach and see how it goes.
Well that's all for now.
Be back maybe in a couple of days.:)

michael

07-28-2006, 09:05 PM

Hi Hung. Thank you for your efforts. By here is good news.
1- Before every thing please give info of how is pinpointing & depth determining mechanism?(without center & deep)
2- How was it's stability and sensitivity in comparison with PDC210? Didn't get any superfluous signal when increased sens. and moved device?
What was the distance with FG80 and PDC210 for the places you guess have object?
3- If had time, Would you please make all my offered test points? how are you serious in this case?
4- won't you dig those places got signal? I think it's best time to find out what have you done and compare with PDC210 from any aspect( size , depth and point of target).

hung

07-29-2006, 01:00 AM

Hi Hung. Thank you for your efforts. By here is good news.
1- Before every thing please give info of how is pinpointing & depth determining mechanism?(without center & deep)

Actually you still can use the 'center&deep' if you like. You use it in the regular way (see site) or you may only use the detector. In this case once you find a target, the auto trigger mechanism will emit a constant beep, then you decrease tuning until you only get a beep (pinpointing) until you end up pointing to ground. Once you determine te center, simply mark the spot and positioning the detector in a 45 degree angle pointing to the spot and walk back until you hear a beep. The distance walked is the depth (Bishop's rule).

2- How was it's stability and sensitivity in comparison with PDC210? Didn't get any superfluous signal when increased sens. and moved device?

To answer that question correctly and precisely I need to get my PDC which I left in my 'summer' house. As I told, I have detected already 2 targets in the ocean with the PDC, but only in certain ocasions due to distance I think.
Yesterday I had to increase sensibility to have the FG80 picking it up. I will compare both this next week. But so far, the FG80 is much more sensitive than the PDC as I could notice. But again allow me more time to go out with it to check stability and sensitiivty. Having both detectors with me at the same time, I will clearly check differences.

What was the distance with FG80 and PDC210 for the places you guess have object?

Still can't answer that until I pick the PDC up. But as I already told, prior to Paulinho (Mineoro) send me the detector , he tested comparing to the PDC and while this one was only picking up the target exactly over it, the FG 80 was easily getting it at 12 feet away.
Humidity in Garopaba right now is really high . About 85%. Here in Rio luckily, I currently have 55%, real low for Rio standards, but not enough yet to pick the ring in air regularly...

3- If had time, Would you please make all my offered test points? how are you serious in this case?

Number them again please.

4- won't you dig those places got signal? I think it's best time to find out what have you done and compare with PDC210 from any aspect( size , depth and point of target).

Michael, the only significant difference among them would be the power of distant detection. Regarding the depth precision, they are all the same. Precise and millimetrically correct.

hung

07-29-2006, 01:20 AM

Also I had a long talk with Damasio today.
The man is so passionate for his detectors that while we were exchanging calibration settings, he had a beeping FG80 at his side on the phone to simulate what I was telling him..
He plans to post in Mineoro's site soon the new pictures of findings made with the FG series.
I hope to be included on this 'extravaganza'..
And as with the PDC... If it's there, I'll will detect.:D

michael

07-29-2006, 06:01 AM

Quote:
3- If had time, Would you please make all my offered test points? how are you serious in this case?
Number them again please.
Hung, Of course you are professional, know these and no need to remember them.It's only a suggestion and am sure you will forgive my impudence with your greatness.
With hope for full and great success for you.

1- Make test for air and buried different size of fresh targets and make a comparison list.
2- Evaluate the pinpointing accuracy and precision for a medium size deep buried target.
3- If can detect gold when is near iron or any other metal.
4- If can detect gold near dense minerals ( like as inside a chalk pack or a mix of chalk 50%+ clay 40% + sand 10%; dry or wet).
5- If can detect gold inside or near a mass of charcoal.
6- If can detect gold When put a medium size gold in a thick ceramic vase(in air or soil) ?
*my purpose of medoum size is a 30-50 gram gold plate.
Thank you very much.

hung

07-29-2006, 01:22 PM

Quote:

1- Make test for air and buried different size of fresh targets and make a comparison list.

Alright, let's try to evolve on your essays here.
You are citing 2 different targets. One fresh and another long time buried.
As I said, my hiumidity here is considered high, since I live in the beach area.
So, my research on determining the results for a fresh target is in relative prejudice right now. I would need to go to a place with a much lower humidity. So for now, I'll leave this particular subject on fresh targets to some pople who ordered the detector and live in such a low humidity.

Regarding your different size objects. If you have a large buried treasure, the FG behaves differently and better than the PDC for this. In case of PDC, you will get a beep from the distance it happens to first detect it. Depending on size of object or mass, it can be from several feet to hundreds or even thousands of feet away. Since as you know every buried object has an intense electric field around it, at some point, you wil find yourself inside this field and the PDC will beep in all directions. You would have to lower the sensitivity in order to determine the center. But this would bring a problem. First, if the target is too large, even if you lower to minimum calibration, the beeps would be sporadically and you could not determine the center. A workaround for this would employing a 1 or 2 kv generator and leaving it on for a while to decrease the field. In case of a smaller object, you could simply vanish the beeps once you decreased sens. Note this is only a conjecture and not a rule. It may or may not happen and your mileage may vary.

In the case with the FG80, This does not happen. It works on a different principle, which I won't talk about here. Once it detects a target, and this can be far more distant than the PDC, it will shoot a beep which will trigger constant when you hit the center of source of the emanating target. Then you walk towards it, having your hand on the knob to decrease it accordingly until you hit the target spot with no pbolems of loosing sens. The FG80 has a multiturn pot which allows dozens of turns and still keep the track on the target.
2- Evaluate the pinpointing accuracy and precision for a medium size deep buried target.
According to my explanation above, this will be no problem at all. But I'll do it for sure.
3- If can detect gold when is near iron or any other metal.

The only case in which the ionic detectors wil most probably not detect gold is when the gold itself be inside a metal box, which would not allow ions propagation when degenearating. Of course it depends on the decomposing state of the metal box.
Again, although this appears logic, I would not surprise myself if I could detect in such conditions. Damasio told me a few things in the past about the PDC's limitations which proved not to be limitations at all when we (me and my friend) went out this weekend in his mining region.
Guess this is a classic example of the creature surprising the creator...
4- If can detect gold near dense minerals ( like as inside a chalk pack or a mix of chalk 50%+ clay 40% + sand 10%; dry or wet).

You refer to a mineralized soil.This question will only be answered when this actually happens and we dig the place to check the soil. Until I meet those conditions, I can't say much.
My guess is that alhtough those kind of soils can emit electric charges to an extent and make a detector like the PDC beep once a while, the FG 80 is less prone to this (I tested it near electric power lines). Besides a target buried in these conditions wiould emit a much greater electric field and would easily be detectable. Remember... The detector only detects gold. It's 'programed' to gold ions.
5- If can detect gold inside or near a mass of charcoal.
No problem. But again, to prove this , a condition like that should be found in the field.
6- If can detect gold When put a medium size gold in a thick ceramic vase(in air or soil) ?

Absolutely. This has happened with the PDC itself dozens of times. No problem at all. The only issue as I said, would be inside a metal box.
But.. who knows?

*my purpose of medoum size is a 30-50 gram gold plate.
Thank you very much.

In the FG80's front panel, you can read.. 'detects 5 gram micironuggets'... So... Be my guest.

robert

07-29-2006, 06:12 PM

:D
Haow many more lies from you Hung!?????
Why dont you tell to people here what is your salary at mineoro!?
Stop spreading lies and nonsence advertisments here!
Drop dead!
:D

michael

07-29-2006, 07:50 PM

sony

07-29-2006, 10:19 PM

:D
Michael: " Dear Hung , suck...suck....suck...suck...!!!"

Keep it that way! Good job!

I hope those mineoro masters are awared of your hard labour here...
:D

hung

07-29-2006, 11:14 PM

Dear Hung, thank you, thank you, thank you very much for doing favor to answer.
It seems I should have explained better and clearly about my purposes.
_ When I mention buried target is just for fresh target not old. If detects even from 10 Cm is passed.
_ In numbers 4 & 5 I meant making the test artificially not to waiting for actual happening.(of course if be possible)
_ In number 3 is not necessary be sealed in a metal container. be near or beside other metals especially iron and copper and this
can be done in air test when you hold gold beside other metal, when detects(even from 10 cm) is passed, now if can bury what
a better. As here some gold treasures had been placed in copper or iron pot with open mouth (some of our ancient maps
declares this) this is important for us.
Anyway as I trust you like Esteban (beloved sincere SA people),am eagerly and so much impatiently wait for your results.

Hi Michael,

OK, Now I understand your points.
Will perform those tests when I can.
The FG80 apparently allows fresh gold testing inside my own house.
Last night (I mean NIGHT, not day), I turned it on in a lower sensitivity and let it rest over a table. It seems it needs some time to sense the fields around it, I don't know for sure, but in about 2 to 3 minutes it beeped at my ring which I was waving about 3 foot away. Sometimes it takes longer, sometimes not. Damasio 'joking' at me said it's like the human nervous system, sometimes when you are altered you change your voice tone and even your heart pace, and when you get calm the opposite happens...

The bad news is that rain began last night. It's a drag because I planed to visit some sites around here. I'll have to be patient now and wait for the sun come back again. But as I am a bit stubborn, I will keep testings even with rain. Just to check the differences in a sunny day.
According to my sources, the FG80 is the best detector so far Mineoro has produced. I will try to corroborate that since I love my PDC 210. But so far, despite being not able to start my field tests, only thoroughly exams and pre testing it also, the chances of this one turning to be my number 1 favorite looks promising.

PS. Just to clarify.
I don't work for Mineoro nor receive any money from it. I have friends there, I love the detectors and admire the extraordinaire pieces of equipment Mineoro produces.;)

sony

07-30-2006, 01:06 AM

:) :cool:
.........
:cool:

michael

07-30-2006, 06:23 AM

Again thank you Hung. anyway I impatiently wait for your complementary tests, especially including my points.

robert

07-30-2006, 07:57 AM

:)
Carlo oh Carlito!!!
Where are you to erase those "sucks...". Please muchacho Carlito do that!
Save us from rude Sony and rude Robert....Ohhhh!
Hac,hac,hac,hac...
Carlito help us!
:)

robert

07-30-2006, 08:14 AM

:) :) :)
A lot of kisses dear friend ! Flowers around....flowers around....
Soft, nice easy....
polite,polite.....
SINCE CARL DID NOT READ MY LAST POST - JUST DELETED IT WITHOUT ANY INTEREST FIRST
TO READ IT...I AM REPEATING IT AGAIN:
Just to remind present people here:
.................................................. .......................................
Hung to Esteban : "...Esteban, don' let tis guy take your time. Leave him talking alone.."
.................................................. .......................................
Well,well ...!??? I do not remember, that, me or Esteban mentioned your name or anything
connected to you Hung.....Correct me if i am wrong.
We were discussing some Esteban's claims and i was very ready to calm down my tone and
start a sort of dialogue with him, cose he looks like a man with who man can talk even
if not agree in many points.
Esteban showed some respectfull character here on this forum....
I was ready to discuss more deeper any of aspects of his ideas and claims.
To tell the truth i was(and still i am) very interested about some of Esteban's experiments,
claims and opinions.
I am EE and profesional, i do rank my self very high, i am not false modest, i am not
hypocrite to think about myself high but at the same time present myself very modest here...
Esteban is not EE....so what? I do not mind.... All of his previous posts showed me his
great dedication to this md subject. I was ready to argue with him(polite), exchange some
knowledge etc...
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
But all of the sudden you showed, unbidden, unnasked with a brilliant sentence:
"...Leave him talking alone...."
.................................................. ....................................
Bravo Hung! Very easy you trampled over my effort to make at least some comunication
with Esteban...!!!????
That is this Forum for! To comunicate,cooperate....exchange....Even between people with
very oposite opinions and attitudes....
But not for you! For you this forum has only one purpose: to advertise only one product,
to spit on others and from time to time to provoke everybody else who do not agree with
that....
I am sure that you gonna disregard my posts, and i am glad for that.Better to stay that way!
I am writting this for others to explain my behavior, language and attitude...
When you asked for trouble, be sure, you'll get it !!!
I do not feel any remorse. My reaction was very right! I can react even worse, But trust
me, you do not want that!
I deleted here some words .....
.................................................. .....................................
Esteban we may continue or not...As you wish.. I have no hard feelings on you at all.
Your sketchy list of principles is interesting me. I would like you to go detailed and
explain some of your claims and ideas. You do not have to uncover your secrets but
just a bit to explain what you listed above....
I posted my critics on it, as it was - sketchy, in manner to provoke you to explain more.
If you feel angry and do not want to, than O.K. ...
"...Bla, bla, bla. Inflate texts!
Theory, theory, this is the reason why nothing work for you! All I said here about kinds
of detection, include FM radio, is true! This violates your academicism and diploma!
You fail because you pretend show small signal in a meter or ear sound as metal detector,
but this is so small, "a soft breeze", so you need to convert... Ok...."
My "inflated texts" are not empty retorics! You may check my claims any time....
Theory.......without theory the rest is "fog" walking or jump from a clif....
".....You fail..."
What makes you think that i failed ??? You do not know yet about my experiments on that
subject...??? Be pationed, talk, give and wait to take....
...............................................
The rest of people here can see and check every claims....This is very public, so if you do
not have anything "tactile" to say here.....well??? Disregarding is very weak weapon....
Somebody showed his illiteracy. He also showed will only to advertise and provoke....
Esteban it is your turn now to make difference ...

I DELETED A FEW WORDS FROM THIS POST....O.K. CARL YOU CAN ERASE ALL... BUT FIRST READ AND
TRY TO UNDERSTAND BACKUP OF THAT - THAN ERASE....
OTHERWISE....!!!!????

Jim

07-30-2006, 12:56 PM

robert

07-30-2006, 01:05 PM

Strange i can not log out from here !!!???? SOmebody is trying to trace me and mine ipp...!??? Ha,ha,ha.....:) :) :)

hung

07-30-2006, 01:21 PM

This is a very interesting report/review. So far, in all appearances, it seems as if the $49 detector that can be bought at Wal*Mart will out perform this unit.

Please continue with your report/review and post some pictures when you can.

HH, Jim

Jim,

This is not a regular proximity or electrostatic field detector. This is an ionic field detector which detects specifically gold although some elements of the above fields mentioned are present.
Be careful, quick conclusions may lead to incorrect diagnostics.;)

Jonas

07-30-2006, 02:17 PM

ions detector system for vacuum
http://www.amptek.com/md501.html
:D

Jim

07-31-2006, 01:05 AM

Jim,

This is not a regular proximity or electrostatic field detector. This is an ionic field detector which detects specifically gold although some elements of the above fields mentioned are present.
Be careful, quick conclusions may lead to incorrect diagnostics.;)

That is why I said “so far”. You must have assumed that was my conclusion. Nevertheless, at this point, the $49 Wal*Mart detector still seems more feasible, as it does not care if it is day, night, hot or humid.

Good luck with it, Jim :)

hung

07-31-2006, 12:46 PM

That is why I said “so far”. You must have assumed that was my conclusion. Nevertheless, at this point, the $49 Wal*Mart detector still seems more feasible, as it does not care if it is day, night, hot or humid.

Good luck with it, Jim :)

I still assume what I said.
Last test I made was placing the FG inside a closet (4 X 13 feet) with a installed deshumidifier, in order to try to recreate a low humidity real environment condition, which is needed for the FG 80 to detect 'fresh' gold.

Unfortunately I still don't have a digital hygrometer wich I have already ordered. This is a must for any researcher who decides to get this detector, as humidity conditions can change dramatically in the field and the researcher will promptly be aware of the detecting conditions. The best is the digital model. Don't get the mechanical one which is prone to misgaugings and several inconsistencies due to light transport bumps.

Back to the test.
Raining outside. So inside my 'artificial' environment, conditions are a whole lot better. And as I thought, I could fully corroborate Mineoro's claim about the humidity factor. My gold ring was picked up from about 5 foot easily and consistently.

Before the 'experts' here try to 'imagine' this was done through a simple electrostatic phenomena which the field can be detected by a cheap and simple device, let me add that IT ONLY BEEPED WHEN THE RING WAS IN MY HAND AND IT GOT PICKED BY THE INFRARED IN THE IONIC CHAMBER. Once I discarded the ring and waved my empty hand in front of the antenna, NO BEEPS WERE HEARD.
ONLY GOLD IS ACTUALLY DETECTED.

Does your 'walmart' detector does that?:D

robert

07-31-2006, 11:02 PM

:)
This will be serious post without any of "words" from my
very rich dictionary!
I am writing this for occasional visitors (very rare) here, NOT
for "natives" here, cose i do not want to argue any more on this
very nonsence subject....
BUT AS LONG AS THIS NONSENCE LAST...THAT LONG I'LL CONTRIBUTE HERE
WITH MY MODEST OPINIONS AND EXPERIENCES....JUST TO HELP TO
NEWBIES AND VERY RARE VISITORS HERE!!! IT IS MY DEMOCRATIC RIGHT!
AINT NO CARL, CAN DELETE THIS!!!
.................................................. ................
"This is not a regular proximity or electrostatic field detector.
This is an ionic field detector which detects specifically gold
although some elements of the above fields mentioned are present..."
.................................................. ..................
Gold (Au) does not produce ions...this is fact!!!
Even proximity or electrostatic field detector can NOT (impossible)
DETECT ANY KIND OF GOLD.......this is fact !!!
.................................................. ....................
"...Be careful, quick conclusions may lead to incorrect diagnostics.."
.................................................. ....................
Conclusions made after weeks of experimenting with a few mineoro
top models are not QUICK !!!
.................................................. ................
"...low humidity real environment condition, which is needed for
the FG 80 to detect 'fresh' gold...."
.................................................. ................
Real environment conditions are NOT LOW HUMIDITY !!! AND :
the FG 80 CAN NOT detect 'fresh' gold or any kind of gold...FACT !!!
.................................................. ...................
"This is a must for any researcher who decides to get this detector,
as humidity conditions can change dramatically in the field and the
researcher will promptly be aware of the detecting conditions. The
best is the digital model. Don't get the mechanical one which is prone
to misgaugings and several inconsistencies due to light transport bumps."
.................................................. .....................
I am very lured to use some of "words" on this...but i will not!
So many craps in a few sentences !!!?????
Somebody once said that mineoro acts like "Tribal Quack" !!!
How true it is! You have to fulfill so many conditions to make it "work"...
ts,ts,ts,ts....even if fulfill all of those it still NOT WORKING, it
still RANDOM BEEPS ! This is fact!!!
..................................................
"...Mineoro's claim about the humidity factor..."
.................................................. ..
Mineoro have million claims about infinite number of factors so they can
always have good reason why their machine NOT WORKING AT ALL !!!!
This open so many excuses against customer apeals later !!!
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"...My gold ring was picked up from about 5 foot easily and consistently..."
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And my gold ring (11g..999) was picked up from 8 foot easily and consistently
with FG78....Later i repeated with cola can, some iron, glass of water,soldering
iron( off and on)....and empty hand too. When no object or hands at all...again
random BEEPs from time to time !!!! No rule! I found out that FG78 picked up all
present FM radio signals.....When went deep in mountains where supposed to be
a lack of any hum and industrial signals, it BEEPS rarely in any direction....
again no rule....random!!! Also picked up strong FM radio again....
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"...AND IT GOT PICKED BY THE INFRARED IN THE IONIC CHAMBER..."
.................................................. ............
WHATTTTT !!!??? HA,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha !!!!! Again ionic chamber but now it is
with some INFRARED !!!????? Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha..!!!!!!!!!
Ionic chamber OYE ! Ionic chamber all the time, oye,oye !!!
Muchos ionicos chamberos segnor...oye,oye!!!
THERE IS NOT ANY IONIC CHAMBER IN IT !!!! Either missinformation either wrong
understanding of terms and English language !?
Infrared !????? What is infrared in or about it???
I disected few models so far....nothing ionic and nothing infrared in it !!!!!
...............
Epilogue
According to my modest(i am not honest here) knowledge i can presume what are
mineoro FG78 and FG80 and simillars....
Those machines are nothing more than mystified Zahori-look-like devices...
First Ivconic made Zahori, than i made it...than both of us took FG78 again
to test and disect it(first time we done that in february as i remember)...
Comparing FG78 with Zahori behavior, we dug conclusion that those are the very
same machines, only made different way!!!! I can even add that Zahori showed
much better and much reliable performances than FG78...
There are not random beeps at Zahori.It beeps only when AC e field is nearby.
Depending of power and radius of that field the distance is longer or shorter..
But FG78 showed much more instabillity and noticeable shorter range of detection!
Ivconic later added much better audio on Zahori, than performances became much
better...
I DO RECOMMEND EVERYBODY INTERESTED TO BUILD ZAHORI AND LATER TO EXPERIMENT WITH IT.
Trust me: What you gain with Zahori would be much better than what you suppose to
gain with any of mineoro model ever!!!
One more thing: Zahori will cost you aprox. $10 to $15 to build, but to buy
any mineoro......hell money!

Many Thanks to Esteban who persisted on Zahori subject such long time and to Ivconic
who added such rich and nice audio on it!!!
BE SMART! BE SCEPTIC! BE CLEVER! DO NOT BELEIVE IN EVERY"SWEET" CLAIM HERE!
DO NOT LET YOUR SWEET DREAMS LEAD YOU TO BUST!
Best regards!

:cool:

hung

08-01-2006, 02:32 AM

Only three points (well 2 actually, since it repeats itself) that I think is worth comenting on. Nothing more.

:)
And my gold ring (11g..999) was picked up from 8 foot easily and consistently
with FG78....Later i repeated with cola can, some iron, glass of water,soldering
iron( off and on)....and empty hand too.

The first series of FG78s reported problems. If yours is not working, it must be faulty and more than likely one of them.

mineoro FG78 and FG80 and simillars....
Those machines are nothing more than mystified Zahori-look-like devices...

You don't know what you're talking about.

But FG78 showed much more instabillity and noticeable shorter range of detection!

Again, your detector is faulty.

michael

08-01-2006, 07:27 PM

The first series of FG78s reported problems. If yours is not working, it must be faulty and more than likely one of them.
But dear Hung, this worried me. from this statement can be concluded FG78 had been released for Europe? the case you disapproved.!!!
This is questionable why did they released such faulty machines?
If it was so, how could make inference about FG80? Have they improved & advanced their controlling standards
so that what happened for FG78 not repeat again for FG80?
What's the guarantee the same case won't be repeated for FG80 like as FG78?
Have they reach to step be thoroughly sure all releasing FG80s are intact?
Regards.

hung

08-01-2006, 08:17 PM

But dear Hung, this worried me. from this statement can be concluded FG78 had been released for Europe? the case you disapproved.!!!
This is questionable why did they released such faulty machines?
If it was so, how could make inference about FG80? Have they improved & advanced their controlling standards
so that what happened for FG78 not repeat again for FG80?

Some months ago I reported the case in which Damasio told me some ICs were being replaced due to their inconsistency. I believe when Mineoro acknowledged that, it was too late as one or two devices most likely had already been shipped. I believe it was hard for them to detect the problem as their ionic fields should have not been the best at that time. The ICs apparently did not meet the right specs.If they happened to measure them through the oscopes, my guess is that it appeared correct at first but did not maintain the correct values.
This is just a speculation on my part tough...
They quit shipping them until the ICs with the right specs were switched.
At almost the same time, Damasio and Alonso achieved automation and the DC 2008, FG79 and FG80 were born. So they decided those were the models to be shiped overseas and offered the FG78 only to Brazil's customers due to a native and better full support.

What's the guarantee the same case won't be repeated for FG80 like as FG78?

I can't answer that. But I'm sure if any problem arises they willl simply switch for a replacement model. Simple as that.
If the major automobile corporations have recalls from time to time for exchanging deffective equipment in their models, not a big deal this happening to Mineoro also. Not a worrying situation in my opinion..:cool:

robert

08-01-2006, 10:24 PM

:confused:
Ido not know what i am talking....well. in case of FG80 it might be so...but in case of FG78 i do know very good what i am talking about...

Faulty machines, you said....which credit is that!? Mine,yours or moneoros???

Who took money for those machines? Me,you or mineoro???

Michael should be very worried if intend to buy some!

Hung, just make Zahori and test it....than we can talk!

About Zahori....you do not know what are you talking than!

Lets involve Estebans experience here....Come on Esteban, but be honest!
;)

sony

08-02-2006, 05:57 AM

:D
Robert,man...don' let this guy take your time. Leave him talking alone..
:D

michael

08-02-2006, 11:39 AM

I believe when Mineoro acknowledged that, it was too late as one or two devices most likely had already been shipped. I believe it was hard for them to detect the problem as their ionic fields should have not been the best at that time....Then in this case seems robert was right; he had an experience with FG78. it was my fault called robert as a liar.Robrt! in this case I beg your pardon.
I can't answer that. But I'm sure if any problem arises they willl simply switch for a replacement model. Simple as that.
If the major automobile corporations have recalls from time to time for exchanging deffective equipment in their models, not a big deal this happening to Mineoro also. Not a worrying situation in my opinion...
Thank you Hung for your explanations. Of course you are right, but this case is a little different of automobiles.
you are the only man at least I can have a reliable connection to mineoro by him and have daily and reliable info of their latest acts. I wonder if you could ask them about their QC level to encourage us of not being repeated what happened in past noway.
as you know due long distance and other reasons… it's little hard for us to take back an out of order unit then wait for a new. it will burden expenses to us. Remain at least my hope there, friend.

hung

08-02-2006, 12:51 PM

I wonder if you could ask them about their QC level to encourage us of not being repeated what happened in past noway.
as you know due long distance and other reasons… it's little hard for us to take back an out of order unit then wait for a new. it will burden expenses to us. Remain at least my hope there, friend.

Michael,
I'll be contacting them today for another reason and I will utilize the opportunity to get all info on the FG78s case and quality control policy now on. But I assure you will never be in prejudice towards Mineoro.

Anyway, it's been raining for 5 days now, what is causing my self reclusion at home. This and the fact I'm mixing a CD at my studio.
Just can't wait for good weather again and check an out of town area with both PDC and FG.
I am sure I will have more fun than being in disneyland...:D

robert

08-02-2006, 10:50 PM

:)
"Then in this case seems robert was right; he had an experience with FG78. it was my fault called robert as a liar.Robrt! in this case I beg your pardon."

Pardon accepted...

robert

08-02-2006, 10:52 PM

:)
I guess even Carlo couldnt done better!
Nothing to delete....ts,ts,ts...
:)

hung

08-07-2006, 01:42 AM

With pleasrue I announce the first, debut detection with the FG80.
Boy, am I happy and excited!

Rain quit on friday morning. In the afternoon, sun was already shining again.
This sunday afternoon I decided to go for a ride with my wife and little daughter in a few of hundreds of jesuit sites around here. I packed the FG80 and PDC 210 inside the car. First I went to one of the first jesuit churches built which is located on the top of a small hill with a magnificent ocean view. No signal from PDC or FG. I had never gone to that church before.
Then I decided to go to another place which I also had never took the PDC. The 'big hill', a beautiful spot with an also astonishing, more than 1,000 feet high. On top there's a ramp for paraglide jump and also there used to be a remote place where the couples used to go there to date inside cars (me included) in the past. Now the whole place was remodeled by the City Hall. Also there are ruins of an antique jesuit station dating back to the 16th century. It's a beatiful large place.

Alright, I first got the PDC and walked around the place. No signal. When I was about the take the detector back to the car to join my wife in taking pictures, I decided to enter a little deeper in the woods behind the ruins. Suddenly the PDC started to beep sporadically then in an endless loop. I had to decrease sensitivity almost to zero to make it stop. I knew I was inside the ionic fields but could not determine the source of it. In a grin and at the same time good 'mood' I though loudly: 'Hey PDC, time to get your big brother here'.. In a matter of seconds I was back in the car leaving the brave PDC in the trunk and turning the FG80 on. As expected the FG80 could pick the signal from about 50 meters in minimum calibration. The PDC had picked from about 12 or so. Only I had a feature which the legendary PDC lacked, the ability to detune the sensitivity to trigger the center of the field source. Incredible. Normal calibration is around 280 to 292 in the numbered pot. I had to decrease it to 042 to determine the origin of it. I could not determine depth however because for this I had to walk S-N and there was a stone wall behind me. But since I was on top of a hil I decided to walk down the slope keeping the antenna focused and could see that the target was indeed deep due to side detection.
From my experience I would say that this target in spread and not only on a single spot. It's not natural gold veins because I know its pattern beeps and that was not the case. The only uncommon component at the spot is a giant cell phone antenna structure. But this was not the cause of beeps since I have one exactly the same type near where I live and I already confirmed produces no interference in the FG80.
Studying the area quickly as there were lots of tourists in the afternoon, I don't discard the existence of an underground compartment as well.
This week I will contact the Hystory and Culture Department to know of their interest of this possible finding.

There are lots of other places around here. I just need the time to search them what unfortunately most of the time I don't have. But the fun is always granted ! :p
Just wanted to share with you all.

Esteban

08-07-2006, 02:05 AM

michael

08-07-2006, 07:08 AM

that's great. Esteban quest was exact my quest. If be able to detect stably from car, is fabulous and time saving.
By the way ,Hung! why don't take FG80 to easy terrains and test for superficial objects, be possible for digging ,- a practical project- and take photo of your founds?
another thing; did you try any of my offered test point?
I think some of them are easy and worth to be tried. Regards.

hung

08-07-2006, 02:03 PM

Hi Hung

Interesting. Have you tried from the car or van (diesel) in other areas? I obtain interesting results with models 205 and 210 from the windows of the vehicle in no poluited areas (no interferences). Do you can try the FG 80 from the windows of the car in "quiet" areas? Detection from the windows of the vehicle is important because you can check many areas near the ways and small bridges.

Esteban,
I'm sure this one was the first of many visits to the site I intend to make now. I will try detection from the car.
I must enphasize however that only now the sun is up again and I will check the ionic fields there from now on.

Regarding using the detectors in car. I always did and do. For the PDC the best setting is up to 3 in the knob, although the face plate mentions '2'.
For my humidity conditions, I'd rather use 3. For a place (like my friend's) with real low humidity you could use '2', although he alsos uses 3 inside his car.
In those settings, you get free of any kind of interference such as break lights, etc. and if any beep pattern should happen you are sure is something buried hence the intensity of field.
For the FG80, I think the setting would be anywhere up to 240 I think. Still researching it tough.

Michael: The deeper the target is, the more powerful the field around it and the more distant detection you will get.
I already tried my ring detection as I said, but a surface target detection don't even come close to a deep buried one. So the deeper the object happens to be, the more powerful and precise detection is.

hung

08-07-2006, 03:43 PM

Two clarifying remarks here:

1 - Only I had a feature which the legendary PDC lacked, the ability to detune the sensitivity to trigger the center of the field source.

I actually misexpressed myself. It's not that the PDC 'lacks' this feature. There are occasions in which a target produces an intense field and it's not possible to determine the center with it. One actually will have to 'depolarize' it in order to reduce this intensity so the PDC could pinpoint the center of the source.
The FG80 has a different circuitry which allows theoretically the decrese of the field triggered by the antenna.

2 - I did not make the claim this is indeed a 'buried treasure' as this is too much premature to say. Note that I only said I achieved a detection.
Otherwise it would appear an irresponsability from my part. I will have to investigate it a lot more, although I had a similar sympton by the PDC in the past which proved to be correct. But so far the chances are promising. Let's see how it develops.

michael

08-07-2006, 09:36 PM

Michael: The deeper the target is, the more powerful the field around it and the more distant detection you will get.
I already tried my ring detection as I said, but a surface target detection don't even come close to a deep buried one. So the deeper the object happens to be, the more powerful and precise detection is.
Yes, you are right. it's obvious. but I mean it would be better you enter to digging phase. at least for those easy superficial buried objects that you have beep there. just to have constant, repeatable beeps are not enough, dig and see what was beeps for. and I wonder if you could pay attention to my test points. Regards.

hung

08-07-2006, 11:33 PM

Michael, I will re read your post and take a look on your 'test points'.

But what I would like to talk about now is regarding my 'drained look' caused by hours of talking on the phone with Damasio. Well for me it was a REAL lesson as the man filled me up with so many information ! Oouch!
I tell you, the man is an endless source of science, culture, everything you can imagine. I sincerelly say I never met someone like him before. His scientific knowledge is outrageous, imense. He even told me things I did not know about him, like the time he met with NASA scientists when researching his concepts of ionic detection and how in his life he always worked in high military technology here in Brazil.
I don't want to start a fighting debate here but he confidenced me that a lot of scientific explanation of things out there is wrong. I won't go into that but among many things, he made me review a lot of pre estabilished concepts on regular metal detecting technology also.

Well let's talk about the mineoros.
He explained one more time for me and I share with you all that prior to a rain, the atmosphere is highly positive charged and the earth (ground) has imense negative charges what makes the detectors have an astonishing range since the ionic chamber is positive. But when rains start, the atmosphere then also gets negative which mix up a lot of ions from other substances also and reduces the ionic phenomena. Add to this humidity too.

So after years and years of researching and improving, the new technology for the ionic detectors were born as I said in previous posts, and automation was added. Yesterday I could see how powerful the FG80 was in relation to an all time favorite like the PDC210. It was the best detector for that era, but I clearly could see 'in loco' how this technology evolved. In the words of Damasio , 'the FG80 is for the PDC 210 what a Rolls Royce is for a Turtle Volkswagen...'.
He told me that a few days ago, Alonso and two more people were researching inside a farm. They had 3 detectors at that time. A DC2008, a PDC 210 and an 'old' DCH85. The DC 2008 all of a sudden detected something from about 12 feet. The PDC 210 did not emit a single beep from that distance. For some reason they could not use the center &deep. They determined depth by triangulation. When the depth of 8 inches was measured, Alonso got a screw driver and a gold ring appeared hanging from it. The lady owner of the farm almost fainted. She said she had lost that ring there 24 years ago. And you know what? She gave a party for them to celebrate. Lots of cookies, drinks, etc..

Nice story, I said to Damasio. The afternoon had ended with the last rays of sun disappearing and only now I saw how dark it was in my office. I turn the lights on and I feel Damasio is a little tired on the phone. We decide to finally end for now and continue this conversation later .
I hang up the phone, tired, but happy with the knowledge I got from all of that and the confidence that a new era has come for long range detection again.:rolleyes:

hung

08-07-2006, 11:51 PM

Two important things before I forget.
The FG80 will pick up fresh gold, but once it beeps at it, you have to depolarize the sample to beep again. The humidity rate must be of less than 50 %.

In gold mining areas, the atmosphere is already ionized, so that's why the PDC behaved great for the gold veins. The FG80 there would reached unbelieveable results.
Also in this kind of ionized atmosphere the detection for a fresh gold ring for instance can be picked up from about 180 feet away.

Jim

08-08-2006, 12:28 AM

Looking forward to seeing some pictures. Are you (hung) ever going to actually detect/dig unknown targets? Lots of talk (text) here, with little (none) to show for it. Please, bedazzle us with some pictures (proof) and less talk (BS).

HH, Jim

hung

08-08-2006, 02:58 AM

Looking forward to seeing some pictures. Please, bedazzle us with some pictures (proof) and less talk (BS).

HH, Jim
OH, I'd love to. Don't worry because anytime I find something with the FG80, I'll post the pictures.
But I'll provide them here just for the record and for fun.
Loose your hope if you think I'd show them here as proof. Frankly, I don't need to prove anything anymore since 2004.
Talking is necessary to reveal a character whereas proof can be fabricated.

michael

08-08-2006, 04:29 PM

Hung, good and encouragous news. I hope is so. Of course your own test or founds are another thing and as a document for us (at least for me cose I believe in you).
Do some serious missions in areas with no need get permission for digging and dig for every beep. If I were you by this time would dug 2 points up to 10 meters depth know what I & my detector have done (Whereas here situation is high stuffy for treasure seeking).
Another thing; did you talk with Damasio about their QC policies to preclude what happened about FG78 being repeated for latest models? e.g. I as a customer want to be assured about my received device be thoroughly intact not out of order.
Again; please don't neglect of my test points,dear friend.;)

hung

08-08-2006, 06:03 PM

Do some serious missions in areas with no need get permission for digging and dig for every beep. If I were you by this time would dug 2 points up to 10 meters depth know what I & my detector have done (Whereas here situation is high stuffy for treasure seeking).

Take it easy buddy. No need to do that. When a target really exists the detector will beep consistently and then the depth is determined. Only then the digging starts.
Also I'm thinking about once I detect small targets around here, leave one or two the way it is, with no digging just to have a reference target for ionic fields status for future comparisons.

Another thing; did you talk with Damasio about their QC policies to preclude what happened about FG78 being repeated for latest models? e.g. I as a customer want to be assured about my received device be thoroughly intact not out of order.

Yes. The problem with the FG78 was that some components used were not reliable regarding values and thus acting completely unstable. This was out of Mineoro's control since they did not manufacture those and upon testing they initially appeared to be normal.
This fact actualy accelarated the lauching of automation for the new detectors, which employed another type of circuitry.
All detectors are full tested, and all compoments are carefully measured and although the same components are used, since the ionic phenomena varies from place to place depending on the time of the year, weather conditions, etc. , it's hard to make a complete analysis of its capabilities.
My opinion is that it would be totally impractical to have each detector ordered remain in testing for say a month or more to check their performance. This is not a limitation of the detector in anyway, it's a limitation on the phenomena which specifically favor particular weather conditions and periods...
A prototype is tested for months and when it's complete, it enters the production phase.
Anyway I believe the new FG series have no problems but if indeed presents any fault it will be switched.
In fact if someone has a FG78 which might be presenting problems, just contact the factory for a switch for a new working model. No need to bash Mineoro for not being able to detect with a faulty device. No one could.
Simply return it for a change. Simple as that.

Again; please don't neglect of my test points,dear friend.;)

Would you specifically tell me what you want me to do?

Esteban

08-08-2006, 10:24 PM

Esteban

08-08-2006, 10:29 PM

Sorry :o: trees no three. :D

michael

08-09-2006, 06:58 AM

hung

08-09-2006, 01:44 PM

Hi

We found a old pocket clock (gold-plated) with this legend: "System Roskoff". Was with Alonso, models 2006 and 2007, 2 months ago, in ancient train area, no very far, 15 or 20 m, maybe by the humidity, in threes' sector.

Yeah Esteban, good for you being on the right place to detect that watch.
Guess for me it's just a matter of time for a finding with the FG80.

End of the line for hopes that what I detected was buried gold.
Yesterday I returned to the site now with more time to investigate and to my astonishment, the source of the beeps is an underground powerhouse in that hill... In the middle of nothing! Well actually in the site there are a lot of trees, branches, rocks and thousands of leaves on the ground. Typicaly of rain forrests vegetation. At the time I arrived there I knew there was someting wrong when I could not pick the signal from 150 feet like on sunday, only closer. Then when aproaching the target from another direction I sighted one portion of a thick black plastic conduit. The rest was going underground.
Later talking to the city hall in charge there, he explained that there's a powerhouse underground and the black conduits were hidden among the leaves and branches. This is used to light up the poles in the front distant part of the place. They usually light it up at 5 o'clock, exactly the time I was there on sunday. This explains why I got a more distant signal. It was all interference...

Well, let's move on. I scheduled a visit to shipwreck sites out of town this weekend and have a big expedition coming up in september in which I'll videotape to use it in a future intended documentary.

I feel like those guys in the MD forums who first bought a metal detector and is dying for his first detection compared to the ones who are all seasoned at it. Although the PDC made me overcome this phase already, anxiety and expectation for a debut finding with the FG80 are natural.
But as I said, it's just a matter of time and place. Because if it's there, I'll get it.:D

hung

08-09-2006, 01:58 PM

Thank you Hung for your favors. It's good news.
my test points are in page 1 in this subject; 6 points, but 5 of them are more important:
only Num. 1 needs to be buried other can be done easily in air; from distance you did with your ring is enough.
1- Make test for buried different size of fresh gold .
2- If can detect gold when is near iron or any other metal.
3- If can detect gold near dense minerals (like as inside a chalk pack or a mix of chalk 50%+ clay 40% + sand 10%; dry or wet).
4- If can detect gold inside or near a mass of charcoal.
5- If can detect a medium size gold When put in or behind of a thick ceramic vase(in air or soil) ?
If you do those, will have made me obliged to you.

Michael,
Two points you should know first.
Damasio told me that since the sensitivity of the new models and the circuitry improved tremendously regarding the PDC series for instance, one could detect fresh gold (gold in air). This in his opinion would show the user the detector abilities.
Alhtough I can pick fresh gold under special conditions, it's not intended to act as a fresh gold seeker detector, it's just on consequence under circumstances if you know what I mean.
If say I'm in an already ionized place by the existence of gold mining and if humidity rate allows, the FG80 should be able to pick up a ring for instance at several feet away.

Also, I will try those tests, but first I have to meet low humidity conditions as I live near the ocean where humidity is really high. Maybe I can try them at summertime, when humidity here is low during day, or even travel to places I can get dry conditions.
I'm getting an Amprobe TH-2A humidity meter to monitor those conditions.
So, be sure I will do those tests as soon as possible.

neronc

08-09-2006, 08:55 PM

michael

08-09-2006, 09:08 PM

Meghcy Hung, I wish good lucks, unique excavations for you.
I will be much cheerful if see here your founds.

hung

08-09-2006, 09:51 PM

Hello
I am new here and I discovered that you possessed a FG80.
I received mine one month ago and not middle to make operate it. I made my tests to 40% of humidity. Besides I made the tests in a land where I found a lot of gold Gallic pieces. I even make the test with the cool gold and always nothing.
Can you tell myself if there is one special way to adjust it because I don't know what i'm doing bad.
Sorry for my English but I make what I can.

Thank you Jean-paul

Hi Jean Paul,
First of all, welcome here and I hope you make a lot of friends.

Let's start with the fresh gold sample. You will need low humidity of less than 50% to be able to detect. I currently have around 65% and still I'm able to make the detector beep at the sample at short distances.
Since you have humidity around 40%, that's fine.
Point the detector perpendicular to ground and turn it on after setting the venneer pot to 000. Then begin increasing turns until it beeps.
This will depend on your climate conditions and ground threshold, but it's usually around 280. Could be more or less than this tough. As soon as it beeps, see if it accepts increasing even more. There will be a point where the detector will beep continuosly . Then you have reached max for that moment. Turn it back some numbers. Each number corresponds to one turn 360 deg in a regular pot. Then you're set. Point to the sample and it sould beep once or twice. It will eventually stops as the ionic chamber will get polarized. Touch the antenna on the ground to depolarize it. And start again. Depending on your electrostatic fields condition, you should be able to make it beep at different distances. The more powerful the electrostatic field, the longer the distance you will get. Sometimes it may get so sensitive that once it beeps to the sample it will trigger a continuous beep. Then you decrease the knob until it stops. This feature, I believe, is the auto function working on so when you're in the field, a distant target or a weak signal gets tracked.

For long time buried gold, you simply repeat the initial step above of turning the detector and calibrating to the first beep. That's it. Go to the field and whenever it finds buried gold, it will beep continuously or not , depending on the mass found and you just reduce the knob until you are able to trace the center of it.
Remember, after rains, wait 4 days minimum before going out.
Best of luck.

hung

08-09-2006, 11:16 PM

neronc

08-10-2006, 09:56 PM

hung

08-11-2006, 02:58 AM

Hello

Thank you for the answer and the explanations. I am going to try one of these next days.
I have try this afternoon again (before reading your message) and the device got to bipper in only one directionet this more and more continuous. no luck for me because I met in the neighbor's field where it is prohibited me from entering.
I could not control the reality of the signal. The humidity was of 58%.
Is it possible to know where you live because it would be maybe preferable to pay to you the plane to come here to learn me to use the FG80? Why not.

Belgium is there one of the countries oùil has the more of treasures to the square meter because it was always a country of passage to all times.

Thank you again and I will give news of the results.

My mail is jf039059@scarlet.be

Hi Jean,

You actually can detect inside city limits but this requires experience to judge the beep patterns and conditions you encounter.
I'd suggest going to places outside city and away from power lines, cars, etc. Remote places seem to be the best bet for you to know your detector better and get used to its beep patterns. Try to research stories and places there. In the woods or isolated places, if there's something buried, the FG80 will give unmistakingly beeps.
By the way I'm in Brazil. Let me know how you are doing with your detector.

Jim

08-11-2006, 10:56 AM

Bellow is a sample of the gold rock detected with my friend's PDC. It was taken from a depth of 105 feet. All his mining area as well as the other miner's was detected with the PDC210.
Imagine the areas the FG80 would detect there... I have to go to that place again!

Goodness gracious, it is hard to imagine anyone digging a hole 105 foot deep. I wager you were extremely tired after accomplishing that feat! About how many hours did it take?

hung

08-11-2006, 01:30 PM

Goodness gracious, it is hard to imagine anyone digging a hole 105 foot deep.

This was one of the eight 7 foot diameter, 100 foot deep average holes existing in his mining section area.
The holes were dug according to the concentration spots detected by the PDC210 from the veins.
The hole is dug until you find the 'mother rock' where the gold is . The picture above was from a sample of a much bigger rock. This concentration was determined as having 144g of gold per ton of rock.

I wager you were extremely tired after accomplishing that feat! About how many hours did it take?

I did not dig the hole. His workers did, and depending on the degree of difficuilty encountered such as rocks, tree rots, etc. this may take from 3 to 5 days to dig one hole that deep in general.

robert

08-16-2006, 12:17 AM

:)
It sunny here on Rhodes island!
I see you still arguing.....sheeeeesh!
I am walking some locations and collecting some old greek coins....
With Minelab in my hands....not mineoro! Ha!
regards
P.S.
see you in september
:cool:

mosha

08-28-2006, 10:19 AM

I bought DC2007 before two months but there is no success yet!

michael

08-28-2006, 10:30 AM

mosha, could you please write; where is your country and what's air humidity percent?

mosha

08-28-2006, 11:01 AM

I am from Saudi ARabia, humidity low.

hung

08-28-2006, 01:14 PM

What I am much curious about is to know; is there explicit differences between FG80 and PDC 210?

YES. THE FG80 IS MUCH MORE POWERFUL IN TERMS OF DETECTION AS I NOTICED.

How accurate and truthful are these claims about their latest AUTOMATIC models ;
_ There is no need to calibrate

THAT'S CORRECT. UNLESS YOU WANT TO SEARCH A SMALL OBJECT . THEN YOU JUST RAISE SENSITIVITY A LITTLE.
AGAIN, IT'S IMPERIAL FOR THE USER OWNING A DIGITAL HYGROMETER DUE TO HUMIDITY VARYING FROM PLACE TO PLACE AND TIME. SO WHEN THE USER KNOWS WHAT KIND OF HUMIDITY EXISTS HE CAN DETERMINE THE RANGE CHANCES AND THE KIND OF CALIBRATION TO EMPLOY.

_ It does not loose calibration even after hours of search.

YES.
_ 100% reliability, 100% performance.

THE DEVICXE IS COMPLETELY STABLE.
BUT YOU HAVE TO KNOW THAT THE IONIC /ELECTROSTATIC PHENOMENA IS DYNAMIC. THE FIELDS EXTENDS AND SHRINKS, JUST LIKE A 'LIVING BREATH ORGANISM'.
If be so, I'm sure with such a detector every place you step in will turn with full hands. How about you or other owners? Please share us in your experiences. Regards.

I ALREADY BECAME AWARE OF SOME OWNERS HAVING SUCESS WITH THE DC2007 AND 2008. DAMASIO TOLD ME THEY ARE GATHERING INFO RIGHT NOW TO POST IN THEIR SITE AND THEY ALSO CHANGED THEIR WEB DESIGNER AND SOON MANUAL, PICTRES ETC. WILL BE INCLUDED.

************

Michael, you are correct.
I've been extremely busy lately in my studio. Finished two projects and now I have a DVD mixing and authoring job to complete.
Alhtough I feel impatient to go out and research, I can't abandom my clients.
As I said, I have an expedition scheduled in september that calls for a story in a place where if there's really something there, we'll find it.
But in the meantime I still could research a little in my area and to my surprise I got a response. I won't disclose more information now as I want to make sure about it and finish al the process.
Did not have time to go to the beach. Maybe next weekend. I've plagued by high humidity which theoretically is bad for small objects. Despite of that I could pick up my wedding ring one day at about 6 meters away . On this day I set it over an iron pan and it still got picked. Then I left only the iron pan at that distance. No signal. So one of your questions is already answered.
Also, so far I must say I'm very happy with the FG80 in terms of ease of detection. I will not go over this subjecy until I have gather proof what I am saying.

I know that Alonso last weekend detected a 5 gram nugget inside an old mine with the FG80. The nugget was at 7 feet deep. They had a top of line Minelab who could only mark the nugget at 6 inches.

michael

08-28-2006, 07:08 PM

Hi Hung, very good and encouraging news. thank you.
I am impatiently waiting for your new news. I persistently ask you don't lay aside your expeditions anymore and shed lights on this situation to relieve us.
I only didn't get one of my questions answer:
Is their searching speed really the same being advertised?
( simply waving right to left and VS and go ahead) or can you search 1 hectare x 1hectare at 5 minutes?
Hung, I have a complaint from you; you disregarded to my suggested tests, anyway thank you.
Hung, what do you think about Mosha problem? whereas his place humidity should be under 20% !!Regards.

hung

08-28-2006, 10:50 PM

Is their searching speed really the same being advertised?
( simply waving right to left and VS and go ahead) or can you search 1 hectare x 1hectare at 5 minutes?

Michael, if the target is a considerable size and mass and conditions allow, it actually might take far less than 5 minutes. I know of a reported case (I'm not allowed to disclose the identity) in which a researcher detected a target 5 miles away and currently is in the recovery process. Tons of gold.
The detector is stable and the circuitry is state of the art. But the phenomena itself is variable. So if sometimes detection does not occur in a particular spot, it's because the phenomena is varying in intensity. Just go back another day and try again. But I bet if this happens is because the target is really small.

Hung, I have a complaint from you; you disregarded to my suggested tests, anyway thank you.

I'll get back to it.
Hung, what do you think about Mosha problem? whereas his place humidity should be under 20% !!Regards.

It's all an interaction between electrostatic fields and ionic fields. If a target is big, it can be detected even if it's almost raining. The target I'm researching right now was detected in a rainy day!
If it's a small object, the distance of course will be far short.
People have to understand that big treasures are not in every street or corner. It's not because the detector is now automated and only one knob that it will do everything for the user. No. The user needs to practice and be able to trace diagnostics in each case.

okantex

08-31-2006, 07:49 AM

hung

08-31-2006, 01:03 PM

Hi Hung,
"It's all an interaction between electrostatic fields and ionic fields. If a target is big, it can be detected even if it's almost raining."
I have question to you.
what are the electrostatic fields you mean here?is it something created by buried object or something else.
if it is created by buried object why can not we detect it from all directions.why are we restricted by only "north to south direction"?
thanks
okantex

This is a discovery Damasio and Alonso made and also the core of the 'Damasio-Alonso Detection Method'. Damasio is writing a book on this.
See here the explanation:
http://www.mineoro.com/treasure/field01.htm
Of course it's not only the electrostatic fields. The method of capturing the ions and classifying them is exclusive of the 'Damasio Alonso Method'.

goldfinder

09-01-2006, 03:12 AM

I am still interested in what type of ionic fields the Zahori and Minero detectors detect. Are the ions detected plus (+) or minus (-) ions.

I am bulding a PIC microcontroller based unit and I need to know what type of ions my detector should be looking for...??? I have ascertained that ions will trigger my ion detector at less than 53 microseconds and electrostatic fields will be much slower.

You expert experience would really help me.

Thanks in advance,
Goldfinder

hung

09-01-2006, 03:56 AM

I am still interested in what type of ionic fields the Zahori and Minero detectors detect. Are the ions detected plus (+) or minus (-) ions.

Negative ions. Refers to Mineoro. Don't know about Zahori.
If you do a search on the Mineoro subject you will find aditional info.

okantex

09-01-2006, 12:33 PM

Hi Hung,
I remembersomething like that " FG80 is just for gold and it doen not effected by high voltage link"this was Mineoro's claim,is not it?
this is from your experiences
"Yesterday I returned to the site now with more time to investigate and to my astonishment, the source of the beeps is an underground powerhouse in that hill... In the middle of nothing! Well actually in the site there are a lot of trees, branches, rocks and thousands of leaves on the ground. Typicaly of rain forrests vegetation. At the time I arrived there I knew there was someting wrong when I could not pick the signal from 150 feet like on sunday, only closer"
HOW CAN İT EFFECTED FROM THAT POWERHOUSE if it works like they claim.it has clasifier ,has not it?
there is no gold in powerhouse just electromagtetic field.

And you say in one of your letters that yuo tested it in your place and there is acell phone transmitter there.ok. but the work with Ghz
and also we (human beings )emit 50hertz energy. and power lines in my country works with 220 volt 60hertz .
does mineoro recieve something like 60 hertz?
if so in mineoro£s page ,they demonsrate afigure.a man hhhholds gold in hand and other friend detects it.what does man detects ? his friend£s 50 hertz energy or gold?
Just suspicious
by the way I am sure it detects .but theory which mineoro claims is not logical.
okantex
have a nice day

hung

09-01-2006, 07:57 PM

Nothing to do with ac frequency.
It seems you don't understand the working principle.
When the detector IS near or inside intense electrical fields obviously interference will hapen. This occurs not only with Mineoro but with any detector in the world.

When the detector on the other hand is away from electrical powerlines, it will detect perfectly a target (average mass) if it happens to be buried under that powerlines. The electrical field of the target will overcome the local AC field and will 'conduct' the gold ion to the detector.

hung

09-03-2006, 06:56 PM

Mineoro's trademark as well as the 'Damasio Alonso Detectio System' are now registered and passive of law aplications.

ALL AUTHORS RIGHTS AND COPYRIGHT ARE PROTECTED BY LAW AND REGISTERED .
©Copyright by Mineoro - All rights reserved by Damásio&Alonso®.

goldfinder

09-03-2006, 08:53 PM

Hi Hung,
As far as US and other countries go, the only thing a copyright protects against copying is a work of art or a publication such a piece of art work or written publication. As such, the minero design of their case and exact copy of their circuit diagram is protected. The concept of how it works, e.g., if their device detects ions or electrostatic fields cannot be protected with a copyright. These type of detectors are not patentable as most of the circuits are already in the public domain.

For example, the Zahori is not protected as it is public domain device and anyone can copy, manufacture, and sell it without any recourse from Mineroro. Similarly, any type of ion detector is not protected as long as the circuit is public domain. For example, the Ivconic design is public domain since it was published on Carl' site. If Ivconic copyrighted his circuit board that could be copyrighted but another version of it in a different form.

So all anyone has to do is come up with a differnt case and layout and not use Mineroro's circuit and there is nothing Mineroro can do. Of course they could sue but would loose in any court of law and loose big time.

I have copyrights and know patent law quite well.

Goldfinder

hung

09-03-2006, 09:26 PM

Thanks for the clarification goldfinder.

I believe there could be lots of ion detectors out there. But since Mineoro's concept is unique, it would be almost impossible to replicate one without knowing the true formula. The way I see it according what Damasio told me, is that the electronics and circuitry are not enough to replicate it. It would never work properly.
That's why he's not worried of this possibility.

What I think the above Minero's statement means is that all trade marks as FG, center&deep, damasio alonso method, etc. are registered and copyrighted.

hung

09-23-2006, 02:37 AM

Just checked the Mineoro's international page and the FG80 user's manual is there.

http://www.mineoro.com/treasure/manualfg80.htm

My hygrometer arrived yesterday and it's an excellent tool to measure humidity instantly in the field being scanned. Mine here right now is real high,75% due to raining for days.This reduces distance detection in more than 50%. Despite of that it stil beeps at my test targets here.

neronc

09-28-2006, 09:04 PM

Hello

Can you explain me? In 35 % of humidity, the detector clocks in a direction. I reduce the beep and advance slowly. At some point, the detector stops to bipper. Horizontal or vertical no more noise. Is it normal?

Tks Jean

hung

09-28-2006, 10:11 PM

Yes, this is normal. You hit a target the detector triggered to it and then as you walk you keep reucing calibration until you find the center. When the beeps stop it's because reduction was to much.
You should slowly raise the knob until you pick the beeps again.
It sounds like a smal object.
You can also touch the antenna to the ground to depolarize it. I usually hit the battery check button so the detector beeps and depolarization occurs, but the first method might be the best.
When you happen to find a bigger target, the detector will beep intermitent even after reduction.
Good luck.

neronc

09-28-2006, 10:41 PM

Tks

We hoop M Damasio will come to France in october. We need a good teacher;

JP

michael

09-29-2006, 04:07 PM

Hi. Neronc and Hung.
Neronc, How long is you owning FG80 and have you found anything by it?
If yes, please write details. Does it work stably and can you search by it much fast? what has been the limitations that you encountered?
Hung,it seems working with the instrument is not as simply as expected. yes?
How often should you depolarize the unit? every time you have signal? or from time to time? it makes it somehow dull.

neronc

10-03-2006, 06:16 PM

Hello
Sorry,I just check my messages today and i'm Frippiat.
Yes humidity was over 65 but i did test few times with less then 40%.
I check yesterday, at 54% and FG80 looks like he is bipping everywhere.

I shall write to you longer because i'm going to my job

Regards JP

michael

10-04-2006, 07:42 AM

I think was supposed to observe etiquette here.
With Qiaozhi permission I mount this tableau here again.
Thank you Qiaozhi, apparently this tableau now and then is useable. good job.
Where is going this forum??!!

robert

10-05-2006, 06:50 PM

:confused:
I will note Carl from his post in "Radijan 2001" thread:
"...Yay! Good ol' "pyramid energy"! Guaranteed to protect you from e-rays, z-rays, and new age
loonies. This guy is either 100% delusional, or a fraud...."

So, Carl, i will use same rethoric as yours to say what i do think about this Hung guy:

************************************************** ********************************************
This Hung guy with all his posted nonsences so far IS EITHER 100% DELUSIONAL, OR A FRAUD...
************************************************** ********************************************

and i'll repeat:
************************************************** ********************************************
This Hung guy with all his posted nonsences so far IS EITHER 100% DELUSIONAL, OR A FRAUD...
************************************************** ********************************************

and i'll repear again:
************************************************** ********************************************
This Hung guy with all his posted nonsences so far IS EITHER 100% DELUSIONAL, OR A FRAUD...
************************************************** ********************************************

Now,it is up to you whether you gonna delete this post or not....

Hung your story is more than anoying.....
RObert is very right about you...
.................................................. .......

Carl again:
"Evidence? Photos? Names? Or do we simply accept Mineoro's word that this actually happened?"
and again:
"Evidence? Photos? Names? Or do we simply accept Mineoro's word that this actually happened?"

and again:
"Evidence? Photos? Names? Or do we simply accept Mineoro's word that this actually happened?"
.................................................. ...........................................
Carl you should delete every of simillar nonsenced story by Hung so far posted if you want to keep
this Forum fair...
If you allow him to open a new thread every day and post more stupid fairy tales every day
than THIS FORUM IS NOT FAIR AND NOT PLACE USED TO BE......
You should establish some limit for number of opened threads by month or year by every person
here....Or you should remunarate to everyone who want to open a thread just like that...
As tihis thing is going for now....i do not see bright future for it...
Deeply disgruntled.....

:confused:

ivconic

10-05-2006, 09:55 PM

:D
Michael: "Here in Middle east situation is high stuffy and we scare of our lives. treasure
hunting is really forbidden and intelligent service pursues treasure hunters."
Neronc: "The situation is the same in Belgium. It is a small country and I would not certainly
say in this forum if I had found a treasure. I am certain that since the following day,
I would have some problems. All is known here."
************************************************** *************************
The situation is the same in Serbia too. There are a lot of locations here protected by
state institutions. Police is doing a great deal of job on protecting those from
ilegall "archaeologists" and so called "tomb raiders".....
It is very hard,almost imposiblle to smuggle such a big pile of coins just like that..
I do not beleive in such "sweet" story at all...
************************************************** ***************************
Leto: "$2.000,00 or $12.000,00 ?? And the question is how were the 100 gold coins smuggled
from Jordan to USA + intelligent service behind..??Hey but yes..detectorists are
damage-makers for archaeologists."
************************************************** ******************************
Good point! So many jars in sand and so many smugglers there, i supposed!?
************************************************** ******************************
Leto: "I do not understand Hungs bad attitude towards Carl... finaly Carl helps Hung
advertising mineoro with existance of this forum and this thread... who knowns how
many naive people bought mineoros and other C.#.#.P. devices with help of such golden
found forum threads. Hey Carl maybe mineoro should fund your server bills..."
************************************************** *******************************
No wonder at all...It is almost fact that Carl helps Hung advertising mineoro with
leting him to open every day new thread with same subject!?
C'MON CARL ! LET'S COUNT THREADS HERE WITH VERY SAME SUBJECT! ALSO LET'S COUNT
THREADS HERE STARTED BY HUNG! LET'S COMPARE THOSE THREADS SUBJECTS!
ALSO, LET'S FIND EVEN ONE "HUNG'S" THREAD IN WHICH MAN CAN READ AT LEAST ONE
TECH TIP,HINT,MOD OR SIMILLAR !? N O N E !

MINEORO SHOULD FUND CARL'S BILLS MUCH.
*****************************************
Kev.: "Liars are cheap, some pathological types will even do it solely for the satisfaction
and intrigue."
****************************************
I agree! One of them,here have patological need to be present everywhere,to be seen,
and to be known....so he is everywhere...posting same old nonsences again and again..
I am sure that you know his nick. Mostoften on this forum....
************************************************** ***************

Carl: "According to Mineoro, this forum is hurting their business. Damasio is quite upset."
Like hell! I bet he is very satisfied with this forum. Mostly thanks to your
patienty and habit to alow everyday anoyance from same man,day by day.
You are ready to delete only "dirty" language, no matter of honesty...and at the
same time you are ready to alow dirty mind posts with "sweet&polite" language....
************************************************** ********************************
Hung: "No. The bad attitude was not from me. Carl posted that 'silly' clues postings trying
to induce people to believe Mineoro paid Mitchell to 'advertise' their detector.
Esteban and I presented the true story which 'debunked' any speculation on the contrary."
************************
Hung or whatever your nick is, YOU are provoking bad attitude here! I guess that was
your idea from the begining...
You should backup your tales from time to time with some fact and proof...
***********************************************
Jim: "Ah yes, young hung…just how are you privy to such information. Either you are involved
in the scam, or a victim. Time to come clean..."
*********************
Good morning Jim!
*************************

Carl, the guilt is all yours! Think twice! Only you can do something here...nobody else!

First time i visited this Geotech Forum i was delited. So many technicals....almost
like a dream to me.
With characters like Hung, this place becamed hell, thanks to your "do nothing" game...
What you doing here is not democracy for everybody to have same rights....no....
lately it turnet to a joke.... a big joke...! And mineoro is taking all the credit
from it...

Sorry for criticism...but i am very straight, i am telling you only what i am thinking
for real....

************************************************** **********************************

I was thinking to post here many of my designs on MD subject. Also i developed a quite
new devices with a few quite new techniques involved, for free, to share with other people...
To exchange....to make new friends...
I also was thinking to post a several schematics of complete designs of brand new machines on
market today, which nobody have yet....
But sorry, this is not gonna happen here! Thanks to unfair treatment on RObert, SOny and some
other of my friends,while at the same time some "yo-yoes" enjoy kind of immunity to do whatever
they want to do without penalties...

P.S.
A short story....
Once i asked Jackdetect, why he is not present so often here on these forums......And guess
what was his answer....???
I am not gonna tell you here...i'll just say:
Good bye!

:D

Carl-NC

10-06-2006, 02:12 AM

Carl you should delete every of simillar nonsenced story by Hung so far posted if you want to keep this Forum fair...

My goal is to provide a forum that offers everyone a fair opportunity to express their opinions. I don't mind if people disagree and debate, and obviously both proponents and skeptics of Mineoro have been allowed to have their say. The only posts that get deleted are those that stoop to flaming and bad language. While I completely disagree with Hung, and I am convinced that Mineoro LRLs don't work, Hung has been relatively polite.

If you allow him to open a new thread every day and post more stupid fairy tales every day than THIS FORUM IS NOT FAIR AND NOT PLACE USED TO BE......
Fairly tales are a established part of LRLs, and of treasure hunting in general.

You should establish some limit for number of opened threads by month or year by every person here....Or you should remunarate to everyone who want to open a thread just like that...
No, I'm not going to restrict people, as long as they maintain civility. Keep your posts on-topic, don't flame people, and you won't get deleted.

- Carl

P.S. -- I think the truth about these Mineoro products, and Mineoro's ethics, is very close to being resolved. Be patient.:)

hawk17966

10-07-2006, 12:35 AM

:confused:
What is the price of FG80? Where can i buy it here in Europe?

hung

10-07-2006, 02:15 AM

:confused:
What is the price of FG80? Where can i buy it here in Europe?

Hawk, there's an england dealer listed in their site. His email is mineoroengland@yahoo.com.uk

Don't know if this is already active or not. You also may try to email Mineoro directly and ask your questions. Here are the emails:
patricia@mineoro.com.br
mineoro@mineoro.com.br

Good luck.

hawk17966

10-07-2006, 07:31 AM

:)
Thank You very much Hung!
But please can you name price here? Sometimes is very bad connection and sometimes i have to wait much for answers in simillar ocassions.
I already tried at mineoro few day ago, but still no any answer?
Anyway thank you for links!

neronc

10-07-2006, 06:06 PM

I can sell to you my FG80

JP

hawk17966

10-08-2006, 09:35 AM

:)
Hung,Neronc, please can you tell me price? I still do not have clue about price.
thanks

neronc

10-08-2006, 10:02 AM

Hello
Can you tell me where you live?
I must control the price because in europe I have to pay it the TVA of 21% in more.
The price must turn in the 7500 euros

Regards JP

michael

10-08-2006, 10:56 AM

Hi Neronc, Could you please clarify for us why you are so eager to sell your FG80?
have you been utter unsatisfied? please state of the areas and locations where you did your searches.

neronc

10-08-2006, 07:37 PM

hung

10-08-2006, 07:55 PM

The question is humidity
In Belgium, humidity is always hight and it rains all time.
When humidity is down, i have no time.
Its means it depends all time about weather.
With a traditionnal detector,rain or not,humidity or not, you just go when you like.

Regards JP

JP,

Just to clarify some points.
If a large gold mass or treasure is in a particular area you will be able to detect it even with humidities over 90%. My guess is that even if it's raining you will get it.
The humidity factor only interferes in distance detection. Which subtracts proportionally the distance capability.
In this case, small items such as rings, etc. become difficult to find. But bear in mind that you may have a high humidity and say, a good intense ionic field, in this case you will still be able to detect it.
Humidity relates to the electrostatic transport of those ions.

So, try to investigate stories of big treasures because if they happen to be exist, you will detect even with high humidities.

neronc

10-08-2006, 08:33 PM

hawk17966

10-08-2006, 08:46 PM

:(
"In Belgium, humidity is always hight and it rains all time.
When humidity is down, i have no time.
Its means it depends all time about weather.
With a traditionnal detector,rain or not,humidity or not, you just go when you like."

What a pitty! Than i do not need it either! North of Hungary,deep in mountains is always like that!
Never had any simillar problem with White's DFX so far......
Besides to give 7500 euros just like that for device in which so many people doubted so far.......man should be much naive or lunatic or moron!

Ha,ha,ha.....regards from Sony and Robert
:eek:

hung

10-08-2006, 10:40 PM

A question I have been few days ago to see for a treasure inside a home. This treasure is in the paving, under some concrete containing an iron latticework. I clocked in in a place apparently. We must open next week.
Do you think that FG80 could check off this treasure. You think that he can also find across a wall because I must make out a will other one puts and I know that gold bag is in the stairwell, but in the wall.

Thanks for your answer. JP

Yes it will detect across walls, houses, no problem.
But you're saying that it's inside a gold bag? How do you know that?
I have some suggestion for you to pinpoint the gold in case it's really there.
First turn off all electricity of the house to avoid unwanted electrical interference. If you are saying it's in the wall I assume you already traced the signal to it?
How far from the house does the FG80 beeps? As soon as you aproach the target, reduce the knob until you can only hear a beep to pinpoint the exact location of the object.
Walls bricks, concrete, etc. are not a problem Damasio already found gold which was detected with 6 houses in a row in between.

hawk17966

10-09-2006, 12:26 AM

:rolleyes:

hung: "Yes it will detect across walls, houses, no problem."

WOW! Did Americans used this in Afganistan?
Usama Bin Laden can not hide any more if USA forces start usin FG80!:rolleyes:

"..But you're saying that it's inside a gold bag? How do you know that?.."

Sidekick told him...No need for FG80 any more...

"..I have some suggestion for you to pinpoint the gold in case it's really there.First turn off all electricity of the house to avoid unwanted electrical interference...."

Also turn off half of rest of the world due to interferences arround...
Pinpointing with FG80 is easy:

First you have to pin,
and second you have to point...:D
Simply as that...:rolleyes:

"..If you are saying it's in the wall I assume you already traced the signal to it?How far from the house does the FG80 beeps?.."

Not more than 3mm....If you want extra depth than switch off second part of the world......Than you'll get eve 5mm range more! How nice!:D

"...Walls bricks, concrete, etc. are not a problem Damasio already found gold which was detected with 6 houses in a row in between....."

7'th house was actually city bank with small tresor inside wit a some gold deposit....:D Everybody already knew that...even Dam..asio...:rolleyes:

How nice! Hung you must be genius, knowing all that stuff - you know!

Neronc asked 7500 euros for his device....What is your price Hung...
I bet it will be right bargaing comparing to Neronc's...!:p

Hung,please, can yot tell us here a dozen stories more about your FG80 ?
Can it locate gold coin in Japan...from your place in Brasil ???
If that so, than please tell me where is gold deposit in my city? Cose according to you it will be so easy to locate it from long distance...therefore i do not need to buy it.You can locate it from Brasil,than tell me where to dig and later we will split it fair...:rolleyes:

Do we have deal hung?
:rolleyes:

neronc

10-09-2006, 02:25 PM

Tks Hung

JP

michael

10-13-2006, 06:14 PM

I'm going to order FG80. Dear Hung !if you see this please at once check your Box. thank you very much for all of your favors and helps. with hope to big successes.

michael

10-21-2006, 10:32 AM

We ordered the FG80. after receiving and make so many tests by it, I will honestly put all of my experiences(negatives and positives) about it without any exaggeration.

Jim

10-21-2006, 12:44 PM

We ordered the FG80. after receiving and make so many tests by it, I will honestly put all of my experiences(negatives and positives) about it without any exaggeration.

After reading some of the postings by michael, I think the possibilities of any "honest" reporting is slim to none. Just a few are posted below. The exaggeration about other LRLs is evident, why change now.

.... I can state again that LRLing by frequency injection to ground really works and is not self-deception. MFD concept is a truth. I myself experienced it.

Here in Middle east situation is high stuffy and we scare of our lives. treasure hunting is really forbidden and intelligent service pursues treasure hunters. I exactly entitle them. here the government even executes THs.

hung

10-21-2006, 01:00 PM

I dunno about Michael but after:

1 - I have posted experiences and pictures of findings.

2 - Esteban exaustively has posted pictures and findings

3 - Recent findings made by FG80 were posted

I don't expect anything else from you and others like you, anything different than what you posted above.

The evidences are clear. I honestly DON'T CARE what you think about it. If any other here after all this time still think this is some kind of fraud, I think the only fraud here is their mind against them. Even if they see first hand the detector locating gold 'in loco' they will still doubt it.
That's how some human beings are..

I will post pictures of whatever finding I happen to detect in my expedition just to share with people. Never to try to convince people what in my opinion is a waste of time. LRLs are fact. Long range detecting is fact.
But it's always good to have 'some audience' while we LR detectorists do the work.:D

Qiaozhi

10-21-2006, 02:02 PM

LRLs are fact.
The only "fact" is that they do exist as a physical device with the name of "LRL".
However, the concept of LRLs is completely bogus. It's a trick of the mind. :D :D

Long range detecting is fact.

Errr.... no it's not. :eek:

Carl-NC

10-21-2006, 02:13 PM

I honestly DON'T CARE what you think about it.

Of course you do! Why else would you spend so much time here, trying to convince skeptics that they're wrong?

hung

10-21-2006, 03:26 PM

Of course you do! Why else would you spend so much time here, trying to convince skeptics that they're wrong?

I'm not here to convince skeptics. I'm here to debate the LRL uses and rebate the claims LRLs don't work. I know they do as I happen to own a working one. In this case a Mineoro. Esteban has built LRLs on his own and also knows they work.
'Convincing' is not what I intend nor want to waste my time as already stated. But to 'refute' untrue and incorrect claims. Show me a single post of mine in which I tried to convince someone. You will see that I don't loose my time on it.

Qiaozhi

10-21-2006, 04:00 PM

I'm not here to convince skeptics. I'm here to debate the LRL uses and rebate the claims LRLs don't work. I know they do as I happen to own a working one. In this case a Mineoro. Esteban has built LRLs on his own and also knows they work.
'Convincing' is not what I intend nor want to waste my time as already stated. But to 'refute' untrue and incorrect claims. Show me a single post of mine in which I tried to convince someone. You will see that I don't loose my time on it.
Well, you don't have to look very far. :D Nearly all your posts are adverts promoting Mineoro.
The first one I looked at (for instance) was this:

Today I received this news from Mineoro. Although it happened in 2005, the person only now decided to disclose the information.

This is his message:
FINDING IN JORDAN

2005

It was a jar containing roman gold coins from around 1500 years ago. The jar was broken, 70 m inside the ground, clay soil. Around one hundred pieces of coins. It was at night and they were detected from around 1 m and a half. The coins were spread everywhere and the detector picked them one by one.

The pieces were sold in New York at USD 2,000.oo (twelve thousand dollars a piece) .

Hunter: S.D.S.
Model: PDC210
Depth: 70 cm
Distance: 1.5 M
Hour: At night

There are two more findings made this past week. I will give no details yet until I can confirm them. I will post every finding I happen to encounter and from every one I come to know. They will be evidences and hard facts.
Stand by. Always fun.

"They will be evidences and hard facts."
Hmmm... How is that not trying to convince anyone? :confused:

hung

10-21-2006, 04:11 PM

"They will be evidences and hard facts."
Hmmm... How is that not trying to convince anyone? :confused:

...evidences and hard facts TO CONFIRM THE DETECTOR LOCATED WHAT IT'S CLAIMED.

Qiaozhi

10-21-2006, 06:58 PM

...evidences and hard facts TO CONFIRM THE DETECTOR LOCATED WHAT IT'S CLAIMED.
So you're not trying to convince anyone then?

Esteban

10-21-2006, 07:32 PM

Hey, men, how much long distance (or medium distance) detectors you had built? Can anyone has right opinate about it if never experiment and try it? Is the same case if I opinate about two boxes, for example, and never built one!!! :)

michael

10-21-2006, 07:52 PM

After reading some of the postings by michael, I think the possibilities of any "honest" reporting is slim to none. Just a few are posted below. The exaggeration about other LRLs is evident, why change now.
Quote:
Originally Posted by michael http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/showthread.php?p=46285#post46285)
.... I can state again that LRLing by frequency injection to ground really works and is not self-deception. MFD concept is a truth. I myself experienced it.

What's the possibility of your honesty? certainly nil.
Can you share us some of your honest experiences? surely no. why?
cose only sit on chair and run your mind exudings, your personal equations,
what is more higher than theories that mineoro concepts is such a…, mineoro concepts is such that… , is hold in your hand and go to field not ordinary field, not a flat field, rather various type and wild fields.
Yes, those statements are mine, so what? do you every times do your judgments by making so funny alteration and anagrams?
were you hungry that ate the rest of my statements? in every place(here or other forum) I have mentioned that MFDs really work, but have their limitations specially in hard slopes, then we couldn't search most of our places (more than 90%) by not only MFDs, but also MDs.
As we are bored of every kind of detectors, mineoro is our latest try and hope for treasure hunting if it doesn't work, we will completely give up TH.
cose know none of conventional are useful for our purposes.
we presume now have a super-accurate and reliable pinpointer detector which can detect a coin at 20 meters and show it's real shape and sort. so what? again we can't search most of the places here.
What made us more serious to prepare mineoro is some Skeptic inimical opinions that was not based on practical experiences. just some utter prejudicial battles.
why? cose you don't like LRLing or LDLing, cose you don't want to accept it.
you like and do love tell just this : "LRLing is bogus", maybe so that from first you have said this, can't change your idea.
When I surveyed saw :
1- No skeptic has experienced PDC205PH or 210 by his own. just Carl has some notes and that about 205 not 205PH.
(as Esteban stated 205 was useless and 205 PH or 210 are useful.)
2- about new models after 210 (e.g. DC2007, FG78),which some persons have experienced, mineoro has accepted were problematic and
will take them back.( this item is due to Hung statements.)
3- remains the latest models(DC 2008, FG79 & 80); Which one of skeptics has really experienced one of them?
not for 1 hour, at least for 10 hour.
anyway I will post my results, now whether some guys dislike or not. we will take all pics and movies whether some guys dislike or not. those will be for freeborn people without self-interested nets.cose iron nail can't be stud in hard stone.Quote:
Originally Posted by michael http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/showthread.php?p=46349#post46349)
Here in Middle east situation is high stuffy and we scare of our lives. treasure hunting is really forbidden and intelligent service pursues treasure hunters. I exactly entitle them. here the government even executes THs

Yes, So what? do you know yourself what want to say? are you here and know better of here? if yes, benefit us.

Qiaozhi

10-23-2006, 08:17 PM

Why would anyone waste time designing a detector to detect ions from longtime buried gold, when gold does not emit ions? - even if it's buried for a million years! :confused:
Unless that person is self-deluded (best case) or perpetrating a scam (worst case).

Dell Winders

10-23-2006, 10:18 PM

http://www.thunting.com

If this product actually works, does any opinion of "How it works", really matter. As a Professional Treasure Hunter, I could care less "How a product works". I'm not trying to figure out how I can copy it.

I posted this reference to Mineoro, on THunting.com forums. Dell

"With Thanks to Hung, and his unselfish effort, and the integrity of Mineoro manufacturers to fully honor their product warranty, USA customer Ed Merill, called me and said he received his new model FG-80, today.

Ed, is bringing the latest Mineoro, over to my place for some preliminary testing under Central Florida, conditions, in the morning.

With field reports and opinions posted by actual Mineoro FG-80, customers, Michael, & Ed, using the product in different countries, under different opearating conditions, Thunting.com viewers will have the unique opportunity to evaluate the merits, and limitations of this advertised Gold, remote sensing product, without relying on company advertising claims, or the biased unscientific LRL "quacks like a duck" analysis of a Skeptic.

I look forward to comparing my own field notes on Mineoro, with Hung, and Mineoro FG-80 customers, on this forum. Dell

ivconic

10-23-2006, 10:33 PM

:) :) :)

"Ivconic, no one here (as me & you)search for buried constructions; walls, monuments,
city, murals,...we just search for precious metals, anywhere it can be. these are good
for archeological surveys and researches, not us. I know by a kind of magnetometer/Gradiometer
(probably GSMP-30) around the Perspolis in Iran found a buried city, but no report of noble
metals..."

Well....i am not part of that story....I am electronic enthusiast...Started to get interested
in metal detectors,started to handmade those,slowly step by step i just enetered in metal
detecting world.....And now it is to late to stop. Kind of "infected" with those for lifetime.
I am not deeply interested in finding any special treasure....although i wouldnt mind if found
some,somewhen....But my primary interest is MD electronics. Later i started to go on the field
to see MD's in real life....Also started to collect some coins,relics and got "infected" with
those too.....numismatics...
But my primary "love"&interest are conventional metal detectors; IB's and PI's....
I am not some prospector, no not at all...
Also interested in remote sensing principles....
So far i have been seen and tested so many devices.....
My experience gives me right to dare to say here that it is not possible to detect one single
coin on greather depth than 50-60cm's with known methods and devices today...
So when somebody claim, that coin could be detectable on few meters and even more depth, than
i do not know what to think; either it is lie, either i havent seen everything yet!
Conventional, "mainstream" science(electronic&physics part), did not claimed and proved
popular "remote sensing" at all. There is no such device yet,with which you can detect single
coin deeper than stated before...
Take any model,type,any manufacturer.....check,test...and you'll see that i am right.
Somebody (i think KT315) claimed that some Anker md can detect coin on 60 cm depth. TO tell
you the truth i doubt that. I am ready to beleive that Anker can detect coin on 60cm "depth"
only by specially prepared conditions, in the air, with sensibillity "busted" to maximum,with
large diammeter coil, far from the ground conditions,hum and any interferences...
But when the very same device you adjust to be stabile for useable working on the real field
than you gonna realize that it can not detect same coin under 40-45cm in the air and some
20-30 cm burried in the ground....
Problem is not in that Anker model,no, not at all. The very simillar results you will gain
with almost every known model on market today. O.K. it can be some minor differences,let's
say some 5-6cm up or down in favour on some better models....but that it is.No any
"revolutionar" differences at all. They (devices) are all very simillar.
Preblem is concept - electromagnetic field, its drawbacks and merits....
But i never wanted deeper detector than some which can find coin on 40-45 cm....
Real differences are in abillity to discriminate with higher rate of accuraacy...That's what
really interesting me....that's what i want to establish. When prospecting on the real field
to know exactly what item i founded without/before digging....

So far it showed that Minelab detectors are most accurate among others....Newer White's models
also....Fisher,Troy.....They all are very close...
But let's back to subject here!

I also had chance to meet some of remote sensing principles so far. But when learning something
new, i always rely on exact science,mostly physics and later electronics. Already established,
tested and many times proven methods and priciples. That's how i approached to remote sensing
subject.

First i visited almost all available internet sites with simillar subject.Also founded some
books. Later i saw what other people are thinking about that.
So, by now i do know a lot of about remote sensing,although i can not say that am expert, but
still i do feel conversant to claim some claims here.
So, there is no way to detect small metalic item (size of a coin, more or less) deeper than
few tenths of centimeteres IN THE GROUND....NO WAY !
No such device yet!
You are free to beleive what ever you want, but sooner or later you gonna realize that my words
are true!
If some people made oposite claims here (like Hung and Esteban)...than i do not know what to say!
I would like to keep an open mind and continue to beleive that i have much more to see and learn
in my life....I do not want to beleive that those claims are false,faked,fabricated and bogus.
Also i noticed phenomena that so many people arround the world (also here arround me) maybe,
and i repaeat "MAYBE" do really have some "unantural" or "extrasence" abilities to sence some
things very remote, using some L-rod, or Odd or some other kind of apparatus.
Those people are not fully awared of those "skills", so always (by the rule) they interpreting
those erroneously.
So i am more ready to beleive that Hung and Esteban do have "skills" and that's how i can
explain their claims that mineoro really works in their hands ( so far no one else made simillar
claims here...)...I am more ready to beleive that, than to think and beleive that Hung and Esteban
are posting lies here and fabricated claims.
Why i do not beleive in mineoro? Very simple! It is not working....period. It is bogus device.
Same as Zahori.....same as ivconic negative ion detector....(although i never claimed that my
device can detect anything else but ions)...
So mineoro,zahori and my experimental ion detector are fakes and bogus for metal detecting.True.
But same as my ion detector can detect ions, also mineoro and zahori are detecting something?
What? Zahori is very sensitive and good to detect ac e.field and therefore very useable in
industry for checking eventual ac leakage....What about mineoro? Yes, it is detecting something,
I am very sure! It is detecting some kind of hum or radio waves or some interferences....
But for sure not what claimed to be!
What mineoro supposed to be, by its manufacturers claims, it is not possible! That kind of
device is not existing yet! And probably never will!
Hung made so many claims about his finds with mineoro...I am ready to beleive that Hung is very
experienced and skilled dowser in whose hands any tool can do the job, even mineoro...
Esteban also...
Next time, Hung, please take with you some rowlock (wooden) on the field and try do dowse with
it...I am sure that you gonna find items same as with mineoro....

Me,myself...i do not have simillar skills....even more...mineoro is not working in my hands at
all. I tried so many times....It is just "beeping" randomly...also odds,rawlocks,L-rods....
So i am stucked to conventional md's for lifetime.... I do not complain so far, trust me!
But i am still standing here with very open mind...only need proofs and personal experiences.
regards

:) :) :)

Qiaozhi

10-24-2006, 01:03 AM

Hi my friend ivconic,

I wholeheartedly agree. :)
Except on one small (maybe big??) point - I don't believe in dowsing either. As I've said before, it's all a trick of the mind. :p

There is no place in physics for either LRLs or dowsing. Both are bogus.
That's why no-one can pass the various challenges (all with large sums of money at stake) using these techniques. The same goes for other so-called psychic phenomemon. They can be a good basis for fictional stories, but that's all they are - complete fiction. :cool:

Dell Winders

10-24-2006, 04:08 AM

Qiaozhi, I'm sorry to see you think you already know everything there is to know about physics and Earth Science.

Unfortunately, "The door to knowledge & understanding is never open to a closed, or prejudice mind". Dell

hung

10-24-2006, 04:12 AM

Dell Winders

10-24-2006, 07:16 AM

I will also be leaving on an out of state Treasure project in November, and hope to be back before Christmas. I'm not looking forward to working in cold weather but a Drilling rig wasn't available to me during the summer.

I'll have the laptop with me and hopefully cell phone reception to monitor the internet.

I wish you the best of success on your venture. Dell

Qiaozhi

10-24-2006, 10:56 PM

Unfortunately, "The door to knowledge & understanding is never open to a closed, or prejudice mind". Dell
Same old woo-woo rhetoric... :rolleyes:

ivconic

10-25-2006, 12:09 AM

hung

10-25-2006, 02:00 AM

:rolleyes:
"...Qiaozhi, I'm sorry to see you think you already know everything there is to know about physics and Earth Science. "

Why not? It is so easy to learn and know,only if you want that!

Everything is so easy to learn and check these days...Now we have internet...In the past it was hard to get some books with knowledge....
Now,if you want something to check and prove, it is so easy...

Also very easy to distinguish between real science and bogus science...
By the way....you are very welcome here to give us some more knowledge, we do not have yet...
:rolleyes:

The 'Philadelpia Experiment' for instance. Although it was performed in 1943, the scientific comunity still don't know how it was done even today!
Only a small secret party does. Does it become 'bogus science' just because you and part of the world can not understand it? You tell me.

Let me tell you one thing.
About 12 years ago I was in charge of a powerful scientific research team. We had a project based on PX and 'magnetohydrodymanics', our results were so astounding that I CAN GARANTEE TO YOU, a lot of physics tought right IS ACTUALLY WRONG!!!

Sorry, this is not the place to discuss this. This was just to ilustrate how in science, there's much more than meets the eye!

michael

10-25-2006, 11:48 AM

Hung, please write about details of your adventure, if don't want to write here, please do favor and e-mail me a summary of that.

robert

10-26-2006, 07:03 AM

:eek:
Say What???

"About 12 years ago I was in charge of a powerful scientific research team. "

Yes i remebered.....you were there...as a luggage carrier...

Foundation of hot water in Brasil....yes, i remember...!

Nice reason to open another nonsenced thread!
Go for it Hung!

:eek:

sony

10-26-2006, 07:44 AM

:eek: :rolleyes: :p :D

Hung:

"...magnetohydrodymanics'..."

You omited one letter - "a"...so it would be "magnetohydrodymani(a)cs'"!!!
Therefore it can make some sence...
So far as i understood, it will be sort of magnetic-hydro(wet)-maniacs or another
words bunch of maniacs whos are wet due they jumping in a water with magnetics in
their pockets!!!
Luckilly to you,Hung, you were just holding luggage there, so no one involved you in that
mockery...!?!
A brand new sport in Brasil! He!
Yes,it is true...so as i heard on CNBC 12 years ago!
.......well..................
"The 'Philadelpia Experiment' for instance. Although it was performed in 1943, the
scientific comunity still don't know how it was done even today!"
Ha,ha,ha!!! X-files again!?!?
Some people claimed that Nikola Tesla was there also...somewhere in some dark lab!?
I would rather say that Americans always pass guilt on us-Serbs....whenever some
experiment fails! Huh!
But when experiment gives good results than Americans and Serbs...brothers!!!
Since we(Serbs) are "younger brother"...we always get "drub" by "older" one...
That's life....ts,ts,ts...

:eek: :eek: :eek: :rolleyes:

Dell Winders

10-28-2006, 10:33 PM

hung

10-29-2006, 01:07 AM

Thursday, Ed Merill, received his Mineoro FG-80.

Friday, Ed, drove down from Orlando, and we took the Mineoro FG-80, out for a short 3 hour field trial. I can honestly repeat what I said regarding the previous model. IT WORKS!

The FG-80, has more sensitivity and is easier to tune than the previous model. Dell

Glad to hear that Dell. Fell free to email me to discuss the FG80 if you like.
Last week I tracked a shipwreck signal coming form the ocean in a famous beach here in Rio. Contacting a senior diver who now joined my ocean only team, he told this might prove the story of a french galeon which was set fire by crew to avoid the gold being taken. I'll be diving there on my way back from my ground expedition.
Hey who said this THunting life isn't fun?:D

sony

10-29-2006, 01:44 AM

:D :D :D

Dell:
"Friday, Ed, drove down from Orlando, and we took the Mineoro FG-80,
out for a short 3 hour field trial. I can honestly repeat what I said regarding
the previous model. IT WORKS!
The FG-80, has more sensitivity and is easier to tune than the previous model."

C'mon Dell !? This thing is not supposed to joke with!!? Such expensive device!?
You are just advertising scum product so easy?
Can you imagine yourself being "fooled" by simillar advertisement to spend a few
towsends of dollars????? Later you discover it was SCUM device,fraud,bogus...!
What would you feel than???
How many naive people here will read your post and "eat" that as true?
Do you feel any responsibillity about that?
You just can not come here and claim that device, already proven as bogus and fraud,
actually works!!!???
I do not consider Hung as serious man in this subject,also not objective.....
but you...i considered you as a much more objective so far!?

"IT WORKS!" you said...Works What? Can you explain that detailed,but being straight
and honest? Can you swear on something very holiness to you, that FG80 is not fraud
and bogus device???
Can some people come to you and check your story? What penalties can you offer if
appeared that your claims are false?
Since you get freedom to claim such claims than you have to accept some obligations
also!
Otherwise you have to denial your previous claims here! If not than nobody else will
consider you as serious....You'll be joined to Hung's-look-like kind of people here.
People whose are very funny but not true and real....

..................................................

TO Hung;

"...."About 12 years ago I was in charge of a powerful scientific research team. "

What stopped you to continue Hung? We were just expected a brand new thread with a brand
new fairy tales......

"...Yes i remebered.....you were there...as a luggage carrier..."

Honest job! You do not have to be ashamed of that, i tell you!
You showed here such a good will to advertise mineoro scum products so far...where is that
same will to talk about other things????
"magnetohydrodymanics'"
Ha,can you explain to us this new kind of science here?
C'mon Hung! You just can not come with some claims and than shut up, you must explain
some of your words here!

Somehow i do have feeling that you are not awared yet of your own words here!?
You just come here to say at least anything and than wanish until next advertisement...
Mineoro already have you on pay role.....now Dell joined too....How nice!
That makes two of you here....
Michael is only volunteer so far, so i can not count him too.
Nobody of you has not given here any real proof yet,just empty words.....
That's why nobody respects you here any more....Think about that..

:D :D :D

michael

10-29-2006, 06:08 AM

Thursday, Ed Merill, received his Mineoro FG-80.
Friday, Ed, drove down from Orlando, and we took the Mineoro FG-80, out for a short 3 hour field trial. I can honestly repeat what I said regarding the previous model. IT WORKS! The FG-80, has more sensitivity and is easier to tune than the previous model. DellHi Dell, good and encouraging news, please write more about it and details, especially I need you share me
with your results. Although my FG80 is on way, but am willing to in advance have all experiences from other users. thank you:)

Dell Winders

10-29-2006, 06:47 AM

Sony, If you want to believe the FG-80 doesn't work, that's your perrogative. I deal in fact, not beliefs. I have been field testing these types of remote sensing devices for 27 years. I do not lie, and I resent your inference that I am not truthful.

You have the same option as every one else. If you don't want me to share my experience, buy your own FG-80 and field test it yourself.

"The door to knowledge & understanding is never open to a closed, or prejudiced mind". Think about it! Dell

Jim

10-29-2006, 12:37 PM

Mineoro has been exposed as the manufacture of fraudulent operating devices. Just read the threads “Inside Mineoro210-part1” and “Mineore210-part2-sensor” to see how these scam devices work (or lack of working).

It comes as no surprise to me that Dell Winders offers support to these bandits, when in fact; his product is just as fraudulent. Yes, Dell Winders deals in fraudulent electronics, so why wouldn’t he lie about other fraudulent devices.

Dell Winders states “I deal in fact, not beliefs”, but yet the crap he manufactures/sells is not factual working electronics. Honor amongst thieves, eh?

hung

10-29-2006, 01:53 PM

As for Mineoro, I don't care about your claims and will not waste my time comenting it. But for Dell, you should at least show more respect towards a member here and your compatriot. If you don't, it clearly shows your bad attitude and what's really inside your mind.

Dell Winders

10-29-2006, 06:06 PM

But for Dell, you should at least show more respect towards a member here and your compatriot. If you don't, it clearly shows your bad attitude and what's really inside your mind.

Hung, I don't know what you are referring to?

I simply made a truthful statement that in a short field trial Ed Merill, used his new Mineoro FG-80, and it worked. I was a witness.

I am being reprimanded by Mineoro critics for telling the truth and sharing mention of the event with persons who were not there to witness for them selves, and have no way of knowing.

I accept the fact that in my limited field experience with the Mineoro, in Central Florida USA, the Mineoro, does indeed work, and is subjective to the same operating conditions and limitations experienced in this area with all other LRL's, and Frequency Discriminators I have field tested over the past 26 years.

I have no connections with Mineoro, I have never met anyone from Mineoro, I don't sell Mineoro, I don't own a Mineoro. I don't use Mineoro, in my own Treasure searches, and if my interests were financial, it would not be in my best interest to even share any positive reference to a competitive product. But facts are facts, and I am not going to jeprodize my integrity and deny the truth to gain the favor of LRL manufacturers, the Skeptic cult, or any one else.

If those who criticize won't learn to properly use, Field test, and evaluate products without bias, or prejudice on their own, then thay have no basis in fact, to even suggest the possibility that I am being untruthful. Dell

Jim

10-29-2006, 08:05 PM

Jim

10-29-2006, 08:09 PM

it clearly shows your bad attitude and what's really inside your mind.

I guess it is obvious I do not care for liars and folks who profit from the electronically challenged, eh?

Qiaozhi

10-29-2006, 09:24 PM

"It works" is usually followed with "we found" or "we dug" or "here is a picture of the goods found".

"It Works" in a "field report" without indicating what was detected/located would imply "It Works" would/could be the battery indicator.
Good point. :D
"It works" would imply that the device beeped, a hole was dug, and something valuable (presumably gold in this case) was recovered. Then everyone involved did a little jig, drunk a couple of pints, and went home happy. :)
However, in this case - goodness knows. :confused: The implication here is that no such thing happened. Possibly the device just randomly beeped while pointing at something far away (perhaps even a supposed shipwreck at sea) then everyone patted each other on the back, did a little jig, drunk a couple of pints, and went home happy. :p
Similar scenarios, except no gold was recovered in the latter case.
Oh yes - and I know Dell doesn't drink, so he probably had a couple of fruit juices instead. :rolleyes:

hung

10-29-2006, 09:25 PM

I would never buy an used car from you.
But I certainly would from Dell.

hung

10-29-2006, 09:29 PM

It's also so funny seeing skeptics here get desperate as they see more people other than me confirming what I've been telling for eons...

Regarding pictures. Relax back. It will be a pleasure..

Jim

10-29-2006, 09:40 PM

Good point. :D
"It works" would imply that the device beeped, a hole was dug, and something valuable (presumably gold in this case) was recovered. Then everyone involved did a little jig, drunk a couple of pints, and went home happy. :)
However, in this case - goodness knows. :confused: The implication here is that no such thing happened. Possibly the device just randomly beeped while pointing at something far away (perhaps even a supposed shipwreck at sea) then everyone patted each other on the back, did a little jig, drunk a couple of pints, and went home happy. :p
Similar scenarios, except no gold was recovered in the latter case.
Oh yes - and I know Dell doesn't drink, so he probably had a couple of fruit juices instead. :rolleyes:

Yeah, see...that's the ticket! Without something being found (IE: gold, silver, treasure) it's just like every other scam LRL device that's come down the pike ;)

Dell Winders

10-29-2006, 09:48 PM

Jim, it's also obvious you are trying to turn this into a bashing forum where everybody argues and nobody has the opportunity to discuss the development potential of Remote Sensing Discrimination, for treasure hunting. But, that's between you and Carl, if it is to be discussed respectively. I already use RSD in my Treasure searches and apparently know what you don't know, and do not wish to learn.

I offered you the opportunity to accompany me on a Treasure project and experience RSD in the field for your self, and you refused.

If you wish to confront liars, and denial, lperhaps you should take a close look at yourself in the mirror and direct your slander in the correct direction. Dell

Qiaozhi

10-29-2006, 11:00 PM

... the opportunity to discuss the development potential of Remote Sensing Discrimination, for treasure hunting.
Interesting idea... if only.
As Carl has said previously, there are some real bona fide methods of remote sensing, but RSDs or LRLs are not one of them.
In case you don't know what "bona fide" means, here's the definition:
BONA FIDE - Lat. In good faith; without fraud or deceit.

Carl-NC

10-30-2006, 12:44 AM

I agree with Dell... no name-calling. If you feel his products are bogus, fine... talk about the products. If you believe Mineoro products are bogus, fine... talk about the products.

michael

10-30-2006, 08:11 AM

"It works" is usually followed with "we found" or "we dug" or "here is a picture of the goods found".
Oh Pictures, good point, but will they really satisfy you? I'm sure not.
you know your job well what to do. bring back to previous page............
what jim did here beforehand to me.
with pictures a new wave will be raised and at once take issue with him, try to dent the honesty and make it under-suspicious. surely if thousands of people come and say "we used it, IT WORKS" you will start battling and deny the whole story cose you say "in my opinion it's unacceptable and unscientific"
please be little fair what is this behavior? is this all your implication that so much proclaim it?
Bashing, harassing, making derogatory?
you know better experience is superior than science.in most cases science is born of experience.
if the best and documented pictures be presented here you will definitely
tell: " not accepted cos one LRL believer says" or " " that's hoax" or " that's fake, photoshopped" or ......

Jim

10-30-2006, 10:40 AM

sony

10-31-2006, 12:45 AM

:D

"...I don't care about your claims and will not waste my time comenting it...."
Than why you WASTED so much SPACE HERE trying to convince people to beleive in mineoro???
WASTED SPACE WITH SO MUCH NONSENCES FROM YOU! Fairy Tales etc...

"I would never buy an used car from you.But I certainly would from Dell."
Go buy Omnitron from Dell! But...it is not a car...you know???
"It's also so funny seeing skeptics here get desperate as they see more people other than
me confirming what I've been telling for eons..."
ARE YOU CONSOLING YOURSELF LIKE THAT??? HA,HA,HA!!! OR YOU NEED SOMEBODY ELSE TO CONSOLE YOU?
"MORE PEOPLE..."????? LET'S COUNT THOSE PEOPLE NOW:
1)HUNG
2)DELL
3)ESTEBAN (NOT 100% SURE)
4)MICHAEL (NOT 100% SURE)

WHO ELSE ???? "MORE PEOPLE..."??? TS,TS,TS,TS!!! HA,HA,HA,HA,HA!!!!
YOU ARE SO "OVERNUMBERED"....I AM WANDERING IS HERE ENOUGH PLACE FOR ALL OF YOU BELEIVERS???
C'MON HUNG! WHY DONT YOU EXPLAIN A BIT MORE YOUR PREVIOUS POST:
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" "...."About 12 years ago I was in charge of a powerful scientific research team. "
What stopped you to continue Hung? We were just expected a brand new thread with a brand
new fairy tales......
"...Yes i remebered.....you were there...as a luggage carrier..."
Honest job! You do not have to be ashamed of that, i tell you!"
************************************************** ******************************************
OR THIS IS NOT SUBJECT YOU WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT?

"Regarding pictures. Relax back. It will be a pleasure.."
oH! MORE FUNNY PICTURES??? GOD HELP US!!!
SOMEBODY SHOULD LIMIT YOUR POSTS HERE...SO MUCH NONSENCES IN SO SHORT TIME?!?
NOW WE HAVE TO SUFFER EVEN FROM YOUR PICTURES? GOD HELP US!
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CARL: "I agree with Dell... no name-calling. If you feel his products are bogus, fine...
talk about the products. If you believe Mineoro products are bogus, fine... talk about the
products...."

I ALSO CAN AGREE....NO NAME-CALLING. BUT WHAT'S THE STORY WITH SO MUCH NONSENCES HERE???
CAN YOU DO SOMETHING ABOUT CARL??? CAN YOU ASK HUNG TO STOP BASHING HERE ANY MORE???
WHAT HAVE YOU DONE SO FAR, TO PRESERVE THIS FORUM FROM SOME SICK INTENTIONS BY SOME PEOPLE
HERE???
ARE YOU BLIND??? CANT YOU SEE WHAT IS GOING ON HERE??? THOSE PEOPLE ARE HERE ONLY TO BASH
AND BUG....NOTHING ELSE!
OF COURSE THEY DO NOT USE "NAME-CALLING" SO OFTEN...OF COURSE THEY ARE USING "SWEET" LANGUAGE
HERE! BUT THEIR INTENTIONS ARE NOT HONEST AT ALL!LIES,FRAUDS...AGAIN LIES AND LIES...MORE AND
MORE...EVERY DAY MORE!
EVERY DAY ONE MORE NONSENCED THREAD,EVERY DAY PILE OF NONSENCES MORE!?
IT IS NOT EVEN FUNNY MORE...IT IS STUPID AND SAD TO SEE IN WHAT THIS FORUM TURNED!PITTY!
AND ONLY A FEW,MINOR..."MORE PEOPLE.." DID IT...

MICHAEL:"Oh Pictures, good point, but will they really satisfy you? I'm sure not."
OF COURSE NOT!STOP WITH STUPID PICTURES! GIVE SOME TECHNICAL EXPLANATIONS,SOME KNOWLEDGE..
THAN NOBODY NEED ANY PICTURE TO BELEIVE IN YOU!
THE BEST PROOF IS KNOWLEDGE BACKUPED WITH FACTS,RELYING ON PURE SCIENCE....WHICH NOBODY OF
YOU "...MORE PEOPLE..." SHOWED HERE YET!
************************************************** **
JIM: "Bashing, harassing and derogatory remarks made about a fraudulent product upset you.."
DONT WORRY JIM, IT IS NOT SO EASY TO UPSET THOSE KIND OF PEOPLE.YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN...
Bashing, harassing and derogatory remarks are all coming from them not from us...
But in a "sweet&polte" manner, using "easy" rethorics, just to avoid to be warned by Carl,
nothing else.
Carl is tied up,can not do anything...it is so obious.And they are enjoying that very much!
But it is Carl's guilt...not mine or yours...
As far as they posting so much nonsences, i'll be here to negate all that scum&trash...
On every their post i'll post humor,mockery etc..on their account...so any eventual new
visitor will see that this subject is not more than funny joke - nothing else!

I INVITE ALL THE "SCEPTICS" TO JOIN HERE AND TO MOCK THEM EVERY TIME THEY POST NEW NONSENCE!

BUT PAY ATTENTION, USE PROPER LANGUAGE...TRY TO SKIP NAME-CALLING AND HARDER WORDS!
LET'S COMPETE IN MOCKERY ON THEM AND THEIR NONSENCED SUBJECT!

I INVITE ALL OF YOU HONEST PEOPLE HERE! LET'S CLEAN THIS FORUM FOR GOOD FROM NONSENCES!!!

:D :D :D

robert

10-31-2006, 12:48 AM

:D
I am here! I'll be always against them, frauds and bogus devices!
Count on me!
Let's push them out of this forum for good!
:D

hawk17966

10-31-2006, 12:49 AM

:D
You may count on me too!
Let's stop their breeding here!
:D

ivconic

10-31-2006, 12:53 AM

:(
O.K. i am here too!
It is sad that we have to do this way but as i see - no other way...
You may count on me too!
I am against some posts here also against some claims here....
Already showed as lies and bogus!
Stop beleivers!
:mad:

Carl-NC

10-31-2006, 02:38 AM

I ALSO CAN AGREE....NO NAME-CALLING. BUT WHAT'S THE STORY WITH SO MUCH NONSENCES HERE???
CAN YOU DO SOMETHING ABOUT CARL??? CAN YOU ASK HUNG TO STOP BASHING HERE ANY MORE???
WHAT HAVE YOU DONE SO FAR, TO PRESERVE THIS FORUM FROM SOME SICK INTENTIONS BY SOME PEOPLE
HERE???
ARE YOU BLIND??? CANT YOU SEE WHAT IS GOING ON HERE??? THOSE PEOPLE ARE HERE ONLY TO BASH
AND BUG....NOTHING ELSE!This forum is open to the discussion of remote sensing methods & devices. Some of those devices are "LRLs". And even though I've never seen an LRL that works, I will still allow their discussion.

Yes, some people may come here to promote LRLs. Some may be honest, some may be dishonest. Unfortunately, I don't have an "honesty meter" that will tell me. I've met a whole lot of dowsers and LRL users over the years, and I've found that every one of them truly believes in what they are doing. (And, I've generally found that manufacturers don't truly believe in the products they sell.)

So, there will be posts on this forum from LRL proponents, and there will be posts on this forum from LRL skeptics. People who are unfamiliar with LRLs will have to consider both sides, and make up their own minds. Some of those people will go off and buy an LRL that stops working as soon as the purchase is complete. That's not my problem. I provide information. Take it or leave it. And, I allow proponents to have their say.

Who knows? We skeptics might all be wrong about Mineoro LRLs. We'll know soon.

- Carl

P.S. -- Mockery isn't permitted. I've let a few things slide, but no more.

Jim

10-31-2006, 03:54 AM

What Dell Winders failed to include in his “field report”, was that the validity of the FG80 “IT WORKS” was confirmed by none other than his own Dell Winders Omniton Pro-4 dowsing rods with the “Rapid Discharge Oscillator” feature.

Also failed to mention in the “field report” was the supposed treasure (Spanish Gold. Circa 1635) was not recovered. Nothing was recovered at all…but, it works?

I’m sorry, but when you mix non-extant treasure with a closed-chambered Ion detector and dowsing rods, the results are more than questionable.

“Don’t pee on my leg and tell me it’s raining” would be applicable here.

Dell Winders

10-31-2006, 04:07 AM

Kudo's Carl, I see a bit of sensibility in your post. I hope it's not temporary. Dell

Dell Winders

10-31-2006, 04:59 AM

Hey Jim, I see you are still trying to get in your licks. Why not just give the viewers the link to my posting and they can read it for themselves without your changing my words.

http://thunting.com/smf/index.php/board,21.0.html

[quote=Jim;47110]What Dell Winders failed to include in his “field report”, was that the validity of the FG80 “IT WORKS” was confirmed by none other than his own Dell Winders Omniton Pro-4 dowsing rods with the “Rapid Discharge Oscillator” feature.

I said I "Compared" the locations made with the Mineoro, with the location made with the Pro-4. And you thought I said "Confirmed". How imaginative you are.

"Rapid Discharge Oscillator"? Another figment of your imagination.

Also failed to mention in the “field report” was the supposed treasure (Spanish Gold. Circa 1635) was not recovered. Nothing was recovered at all…but, it works?

You are right. I didn't mention "Supposed " Treasure. I said "Suspect"
I think I did mention that the targets were undetermined, right?

I’m sorry, but when you mix non-extant treasure with a closed-chambered Ion detector and dowsing rods, the results are more than questionable

Don't be sorry! The combination works for me, and that's what matters.

“Don’t pee on my leg and tell me it’s raining” would be applicable here.

Jim, I hate to ruin your fantasy, but I'm not going to pee on you. I don't like standing in lines. Dell

michael

10-31-2006, 05:01 PM

Sony: OF COURSE NOT!STOP WITH STUPID PICTURES! GIVE SOME TECHNICAL EXPLANATIONS,SOME KNOWLEDGE
first of all this is a stupid request, to focus only on scientific subjects. then what about experiences?
scientific subjects aren't all the things. do you mean experiences are nonsense?
I think in THing like as so many other affairs at least should be a place for practical experiences, right? If tell no, then can conclude you are just illogical.
"MORE PEOPLE..."????? LET'S COUNT THOSE PEOPLE NOW:
1)HUNG
2)DELL
3)ESTEBAN (NOT 100% SURE)
4)MICHAEL (NOT 100% SURE)
WHO ELSE ????....
About this part; what so many people who are LRLs believers, come and only visit the forum read the posts and most times laugh. mostly have not even registered here. I introduced here to more than 20 of them, but about mineoro are waiting for my results. if it works they will order, of course there are other things that persuaded me to order FG80 that now for some reasons I confide to other time. I probably order 2-3 other of FG80s(if works).

OF COURSE NOT!STOP WITH STUPID PICTURES!
Are you authenticated to determine rightfulness of these documents?
it sounds as an derogatory to talent and intelligence of other members (newbie or seniors) as if you are their tutor and they can't understant?!!!

It seems nothing here can be regarded as an acceptable document. OK.
this is not an issue to worry at least me.(as I'm not Brazilian, mineoro fan or beneficiary of them, but am intensely truth partisan.)
an offer to Carl: in this situation it's necessary to enact rule/rules about acceptable documents, e.g. if pictures are as stupid act, then forbid any attachments of founds, etc.
everybody here take part and give a vote and at last assign the necessary items for one acceptable document that no body try to dent it.

P.S. Carl, I had before another suggestion for this forum, but always forgot it, now this is in preference. I will PM to you another suggestion.

Esteban

10-31-2006, 05:28 PM

The only stupid pictures I saw here has "clouds" as comics.

sony

10-31-2006, 06:02 PM

:o :D
"Unfortunately, I don't have an "honesty meter" that will tell me."
Of course not! But you just have to wait for few posts and than easy to see
intentions of person who posted those posts.
I never met Hung,Dell,Michael or Esteban. I do not have anything against Hung
in personal. I am just sick of his posts here.All the same!?
That's why i "attack" that kind of behaviour.
Stop "salting" our brains here(Hung,Dell...), we are not stupids,we know how to distinguish
between real and bogus devices.
"Who knows? We skeptics might all be wrong about Mineoro LRLs. We'll know soon."
Ha,ha,ha! It is not possiblle at all! Already checked few mineoro devices.Also other
people too.Besides, no such device as mineoro claimed to be,yet...and it will never be!
Aginst all laws of physics....

"Kudo's Carl, I see a bit of sensibility in your post. I hope it's not temporary."
I hope NOT! Big mistake for him! "Red" moment i guess? Anyway,i tried to help....

DELL: "You are right. I didn't mention "Supposed " Treasure. I said "Suspect"
I think I did mention that the targets were undetermined, right?"
WHATTTT????? SO, DELL, YOU ARE CLAIMING THAT MINEORO WORKS ONLY RELYING ON THIS?????
"SUSPECT"????? YOU NEVER FOUND NOTHING WITH IT???????
SO,LET ME GUESS.....YOU ARE SUSPECTING SOME LOCATION AND THAN CHECKED WITH YOUR
APPARATUS....IT "BEEPED",THAN YOU USED MINEORO AND IT "BEEPED" ALSO....SO AT THE
END YOU CONCLUDED THAT MINEORO IS WORKING COSE IT "BEEPED" SAME AS YOUR OWN
APPARATUS!!!
IS THIS RIGHT? WAS THIS THE CASE? IF YES, THAN....HA,HA,HA,HA,HA,HA,HA,HA,HA!!!!!!
I'LL DIE! PLEASE HELP ME!!!! I'LL DIE OF THIS....HA,HA,HA,HA,HA,HA,HA,HA!!!!!!!
DELL! YOU ARE NOT LIAR! NO,NOT AT ALL! YOU ARE "BIJOU" OVER "BIJOUS"....CASE FOR
GUINESS RECORDS BOOK!!!!
NO WONDER OF SOME PREVIOUS POSTS HERE ABOUT YOU AND ON YOU FROM SO MANY PEOPLE!!!
CARL AMONGS THEM ALSO! HA,HA,HA,HA,HA,HA,HA,HA..!!!!!

************************************************** *********************
Michael: "first of all this is a stupid request, to focus only on scientific subjects.
then what about experiences? scientific subjects aren't all the things. do you mean
experiences are nonsense?"

Michael,if i start now to argue with you and react on every your word....than it will
turn again in neverending story.Later we will became "bluefaced" maybe "redfaced"..
Next step is that we gonna start calling names each - other here...and next step is
Carl's...who is gonna delete our posts here again....
Already been seen "script"....Not this time! I'll only say few words for you and later
disregard all your further posts on this...
First to tell you very honestly; i am very sorry for you,cose you ordered very
expensive but still bogus,non-working device....What a waste of money?!?
But,you were persistant in that...so,nothing i could done to stop you,so far...
Next;
Yes We should focus mostly on scientific subjects here! This is TECHNICAL FORUM !!!
How many times i have to repeat this here????
THIS IS TECHNICAL FORUM!!! THIS IS TECHNICAL FORUM!!!
THIS IS NOT "PHOTO GALLERY FORUM"!!!
Besides if you pay attention on already posted pictures here,on this subject....what would
be YOUR BENEFIT from those?????
N O N E !!!
A few mexican,brasilian or any south-american ...unshaved faces....smiling,holding some
nonsences in their hands...?????
Reminds me on some south-american TV-soap....makes me wanna puke of them..I do hate that
style already....Now i have it here also! God help me!!!
This is TECHNICAL FORUM...if you want to post some photos, than post some photos of metal
detectors,schematics,pcb's,manuals....not some brainless"souther's" with big "OYE" on their
faces!!!

Michael:
"About this part; what so many people who are LRLs believers, come and only
visit the forum read the posts and most times laugh. mostly have not even registered
here. I introduced here to more than 20 of them...."

Ha,ha,ha!! Let's say that i do not trust you! How can you prove this?????
That's why i can count only 4 persons so far,cose only registered names here are valid!
I also can say now, that i do introduced 245 000 "sceptics" so far here as "unregistered"...
Do you beleive this? How can you prove that i am liar?
I do have feeling that you are liar here! So! (this is rethorical...i am not really mean)

**********************

Michael ...last: "It seems nothing here can be regarded as an acceptable document..."

How much you, do not thinking????? Ts,ts,ts....That's why i do insist on proofs!
"ACCEPTABLE....." is everything that have scientific background! Backuped with science!
Is it so hard for you and others here to understand this??? Or my english is so bad????
None of mineoro proponents here showed any scientific backgrounded fact yet!!???
How come??? Is it so hard for you people???? What are you affraiding of?????

That's all from me....I am not gonna waste my time trying to make some conversation with
deaf people.....Think whatever you want to think....It's your money,your life,your stupidity!
regards

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Jim

11-01-2006, 02:22 AM

Hey Jim, I see you are still trying to get in your licks. Why not just give the viewers the link to my posting and they can read it for themselves without your changing my words.

Your words were not changed, as I was giving my own "field report". Please point out where I changed your words. "Field report" and "it works" are in quotes to signify those are YOUR words. Duh?

http://thunting.com/smf/index.php/board,21.0.html

What Dell Winders failed to include in his “field report”, was that the validity of the FG80 “IT WORKS” was confirmed by none other than his own Dell Winders Omniton Pro-4 dowsing rods with the “Rapid Discharge Oscillator” feature.

I said I "Compared" the locations made with the Mineoro, with the location made with the Pro-4. And you thought I said "Confirmed". How imaginative you are.

No, I used the word confirmed. You are obviously confused and thinking I quoted you. Duh?

"Rapid Discharge Oscillator"? Another figment of your imagination.

Nope, a figment of the Dell Winders Omniton system scam/fraud, as posted elsewhere in this forum. Duh?

Also failed to mention in the “field report” was the supposed treasure (Spanish Gold. Circa 1635) was not recovered. Nothing was recovered at all…but, it works?

You are right. I didn't mention "Supposed " Treasure. I said "Suspect"
I think I did mention that the targets were undetermined, right?

I know that I am right. I used the word supposed in my "field report", because you failed to locate anything. Duh?

I’m sorry, but when you mix non-extant treasure with a closed-chambered Ion detector and dowsing rods, the results are more than questionable

Don't be sorry! The combination works for me, and that's what matters.

er,....um, sure it does. Duh?

“Don’t pee on my leg and tell me it’s raining” would be applicable here.

Jim, I hate to ruin your fantasy, but I'm not going to pee on you. I don't like standing in lines. Dell

We move the old feeble ones up to the front of the line. Give it your best shot ;)

Black text = Jim's original post
Blue text = Dell Winders
Red text = Jim

michael

11-01-2006, 10:43 AM

Sony, About these statements at present I have no explanation so that time and practical experiences will demonstrate it, maybe you are right it never works( what a regret for me) and that makes me ashamed and I will bravely apologize all of you and tell:" you were right and me wrong".
But if it really worked (found by it), with this bravery would defend of that and swear to god at that time don't stop of repelling your opinions.
We had no way except to prepare it and personally work by it, couldn't rely on skeptics or proponents opinions and I will get how accurate you were.
this will take at least one month for us to opine about that. by that time I will still remain confused what's the fact!!!! :confused: (of course about mineoro) otherwise I believe in LRLing.:rolleyes:

Kev

11-02-2006, 08:56 PM

Sony: OF COURSE NOT!STOP WITH STUPID PICTURES! GIVE SOME TECHNICAL EXPLANATIONS,SOME KNOWLEDGE
first of all this is a stupid request, to focus only on scientific subjects. then what about experiences?
scientific subjects aren't all the things. do you mean experiences are nonsense?
I think in THing like as so many other affairs at least should be a place for practical experiences, right? If tell no, then can conclude you are just illogical.

If science tells you the earth is round, will you still believe it is flat?

The fundamental premise that Mineoro operate by detecting gold ions emitted from gold, is based upon faulty science. The following statements refer to detecting gold from long distance, electronically with a handheld device.

1) Gold ions are not released from the parent metal via air, the atmospheric concentrations of oxygen are too weak. Gold mobility and availability of ions relies heavily upon solvent solutions in rare chemical horizons.
2) Gold ions cannot escape the entrainment of the parent metal if it has a mass greater than a few micrograms. Buried gold coins for instance “attract” gold ions, they don’t release them.
3) To mobilise gold ions a reducing environment with a suitable catalyst must be present, and in solution for redox reactions to occur.
4) Secondary gold enrichment chemistry shows that sub-micron gold mobilised in reducing ground water as positive ions, are precipitated out onto larger masses of gold. Through this accretionary process, nuggets of many ounces are formed from microscopic gold sources i.e. Au^+(ion) + Fe^2+ => Au(c) + Fe^3+
5) If a kilo of gold coins were buried in shallow ground, it would be impossible to detect the flow of gold ions being attracted to it, since the attractive range would not likely extend above ground. If it did extend further the sensitivity of the sensor would likely need to be parts per trillion, due to the background concentration of ions.

I don't believe Mineoro LRL detectors work, but if they do it is not using the method they advance, and for that reason, I would not trust them for 1 second (period)

michael

11-03-2006, 11:49 AM

I don't believe Mineoro LRL detectors work, but if they do it is not using the method they advance,...This is the exact all I care not other things. what can be the mechanism, their concepts, claims,...not important, if mineoro works or not, if is able to detect from long distance or not this is the matter.meanwhile if it even can detect all metals equally (from gold to junks) is approved, anyway is detecting, is a detector and that's enough. we never mind to dig for gold or iron so that success cipher is to dig for every metals and never notice to; discrimination, classification or any other terms like these. I remember of one e-mail communication with one of those successful men in mineoro list (Donald Dreck) at 2 years ago, he answered me his 205PH despite the firm advertisements detects most of junk metals from distance, he had found many things only 10 of them were valuable.I made many assessments that convinced me to order of mineoro and it was after dismantling by Alexismex. didn't care that components all worth 50 or 100 $, does it really work (even 1/20 what they claim) ? only time and my own experiences will answer.

Kev

11-03-2006, 08:05 PM

I made many assessments that convinced me to order of mineoro and it was after dismantling by Alexismex. didn't care that components all worth 50 or 100 $, does it really work (even 1/20 what they claim) ? only time and my own experiences will answer.

Michael, I fear you have flushed your money down the sewer.:( There are too many contradictions surrounding the mineoro LRL. For one; how does a gold ring on a persons hand, moving a couple of feet, release ions that can be detected a couple of meters away? Reason says that this is a scam to fleece you of thousands of dollars, if you are wealthy, so be it, but if you are not, this is very sad indeed.

Why would mineoro go to the effort of selling these devices if they did what they claim? They would all be multi-millionaires by now, time to relax on a tropical island surrounded by beautiful girls, and endless Kahlua and sodas, no they are becoming millionaires by trickery and deceit!

And Hung, do not pipe up, and say they do it out charity:mad: because thats a joke at the very least, if that were so they'd give them away, and the R&D you talk about, 50 years of development :p (thanks to Alexismex that is disclosed too).

And to whom it may concern in Brazil, stop trying to hack into my work computer. I work for a networking related company, and we can track you down if need be. Just because you're in Brazil doesn't mean you're beyond reach.

Kev.

michael

11-04-2006, 06:06 AM

There are too many contradictions surrounding the mineoro LRL. For one; how does a gold ring on a persons hand, moving a couple of feet, release ions that can be detected a couple of meters away?. I never counted on detecting fresh gold, I ordered with acceptance of no detection fresh gold, rather detection all old buried metals. Why would mineoro go to the effort of selling these devices if they did what they claim? They would all be multi-millionaires by now, time to relax on a tropical island surrounded by beautiful girls, and endless Kahlua and sodas, no they are becoming millionaires by trickery and deceit! I (personally) can accept every reason except to this one. as you can moot for all producers
of conventional detectors; MDs(White's, Garret, Minelab, Fisher,... or even the best of them; Lorenz, Pulse Star,..) or GPRs. this can't be as a rational reason at all.
what I have gotten is no quite perfect instrument exists in this world and we have to combine the ability of some kinds to succeed.

vcrb

11-06-2006, 01:22 AM

I put up a post with my honest beliefs about MINEORO and Dell. I DID test the MINEORO'S and guess what ? They don't work. Amazing getting posts deleted on what is "supposed"to be an open forum. From where I stand it appears you can only trash on certain products that this "Carl"has decided don't work. Sure makes one wonder about the entire agenda of this board.
vcrb

Carl-NC

11-06-2006, 01:35 AM

The posts didn't get deleted. I move them to the Dell/Omnitron thread (http://www.thunting.com/geotech/forums/showthread.php?t=12216), because they were clearly steering off the topic of Mineoro. If you want to complain about Mineoro, do it in the Mineoro thread. If you want to complain about Dell, do it in the Dell thread.

BTW, based on my use of a Mineoro LRL, I agree with you, they don't work. I will have much more to say about Mineoro in the future. And, regarding other products that I own, I just haven't had time to do thorough evaluations. I have many other priorities.

- Carl

michael

11-06-2006, 11:35 AM

.... I DID test the MINEORO'S and guess what ? They don't work... Vcrb, which one of mineoro models have you used? do you still own it?
please share me in all your info, if be detailed so much appreciated, although I have ordered FG80, but not useless to benefit of your experiences.Thanx a lot

Tim Williams

11-06-2006, 11:19 PM

VCRB, Yes please list the models and prices you want for each. I may also be interesred in one.

Tim

vcrb

11-07-2006, 04:13 AM

michael

11-07-2006, 05:40 AM

I'm so astonished of; when you saw the first was useless and bogus, why did you ordered second and worse the third one??!!! e.g. after I experienced Rover C of OKM, I don't want to use any other of other models; 2005 series or the latest models be exp5000 or exp 500000 :D no difference those are all surface field detector.
another thing is interesting; when ask from guys who complaint of these kind of detectors, less one of them can give exact info of their detailed experiences just tell; it doesn't work, doesn't work ,...... honestly why?
I still believe experience is more superior than scientific aspects or logics.

hung

11-07-2006, 11:40 AM

I actually purchased three units and tested even more. I purchased two older models and then the FG model that wasn't any different. It was exactly the same inside as I have seen on this site. I was originally interested because it sounded a bit like the Gold Gun. ( it wasn't) After very long days testing and TRYING to get something out of these devices, I gave up. I traded them to a very nice person for "other"equipment that I am not going to name. The only good thing that came out of this whole ordeal is that I did actually meet a person that is working on a similar device. I don't believe it uses the same methods as the MINEORO, and it actually works to some degree. He is not selling his device and does not wish to be named. You chaps might do well to forget the MINEORO and branch off like this other chap did. I am not selling ANYTHING and am not associated with any groups or vendors of any kind. There you have it. I have nothing else to say . I just thought you folks might want the cold hard facts.
VCRB

As I thought.
He does not reveal his real name or where his from.
Why? Simply because he wishes to remain unknown for fear of debunking.
This character is not to be taken seriously.

In the mean time, it's interesting to witness how competition seem to start to get terrorized as Mineoro's trade mark start to spread around the net.
This bothers a lot of people. Not because of Mineoro itself. But because remote sensing might be a reality also for other devices and some people still try to keep a cover up operation going on to avoid this to be known.

fosfors

11-07-2006, 06:34 PM

http://www.gnld.ws/id1.html

Qiaozhi

11-07-2006, 07:52 PM

http://www.gnld.ws/id1.html
And your point is.......? :confused:

Qiaozhi

11-07-2006, 08:01 PM

As I thought.
He does not reveal his real name or where his from.
Why? Simply because he wishes to remain unknown for fear of debunking.
This character is not to be taken seriously.
Actually, I believe you have the wrong gender. :eek:
"debunking" ?? You seem to be horribly confused. :D

In the mean time, it's interesting to witness how competition seem to start to get terrorized as Mineoro's trade mark start to spread around the net.
Hmmm... let me think about that...

This bothers a lot of people.
Don't kid yourself. No one's bovvered. :D

Not because of Mineoro itself. But because remote sensing might be a reality also for other devices and some people still try to keep a cover up operation going on to avoid this to be known.
"might" be a reality? Some doubt creeping in then? :D :D
"cover up operation"? Interesting - I like a good conspiracy theory. :rolleyes:

Kev

11-07-2006, 08:50 PM

http://www.gnld.ws/id1.html

They claim a mineoro pdc210 will....
" For example: It is possible to locate gold at short or long distances.
Look at this data as an example: One gold coin weighing 1 oz, was located at 200 yards, and at 40" deep.
An 18 carat gold ring found at 142 yards and 52" deep."

This is the biggest load of what comes out of the rear end of a bull (toro) I've ever heard in my life. 52" deep in what? Bulldust I bet. If you believe this stuff, you've got a problem, really, a very real problem, you are what is referred to as technically challenged. You may also believe Harry Potter is real and that fairies live in the bottom of your garden...right?

I worked out how the mineoro detects a gold ring moving on a hand at 2 metres. ESD theory shows that raising your arm can generate a 5kV static charge, and if the person is wearing garments constructed of man-made fibers, up to 10kV (ten thousand Volts). Does the mineoro manual tell you not to detect while wearing a crimpolene suit, or while Mormon ministers are in the vicinity?

Yes these bogus devices don't "beep" at the gold ring, but at the movement of the persons arm. Mineoros might make a really good movement sensor for a burglar alarm, so long as the burglars aren't naked and you're cat doesn't rub over your nylon carpet or furniture. It would "go beep" at the first hint of a burglar even at 11,111.10 yards. You would need to connect it to a PIC micro or similar, so it could count the beeps over a given time before driving the siren, this would add a bit of fuzzy logic to the alarm. There you go mineoro, an honest use for your devices. Most crims around here wear polarfleece, a real good static generator.

Kev.

hung

11-07-2006, 10:34 PM

They claim a mineoro pdc210 will....
" For example: It is possible to locate gold at short or long distances.
Look at this data as an example: One gold coin weighing 1 oz, was located at 200 yards, and at 40" deep.
An 18 carat gold ring found at 142 yards and 52" deep."

This is the biggest load of what comes out of the rear end of a bull (toro) I've ever heard in my life. 52" deep in what? Bulldust I bet. If you believe this stuff, you've got a problem, really, a very real problem, you are what is referred to as technically challenged. You may also believe Harry Potter is real and that fairies live in the bottom of your garden...right?

I worked out how the mineoro detects a gold ring moving on a hand at 2 metres. ESD theory shows that raising your arm can generate a 5kV static charge, and if the person is wearing garments constructed of man-made fibers, up to 10kV (ten thousand Volts). Does the mineoro manual tell you not to detect while wearing a crimpolene suit, or while Mormon ministers are in the vicinity?

Yes these bogus devices don't "beep" at the gold ring, but at the movement of the persons arm. Mineoros might make a really good movement sensor for a burglar alarm, so long as the burglars aren't naked and you're cat doesn't rub over your nylon carpet or furniture. It would "go beep" at the first hint of a burglar even at 11,111.10 yards. You would need to connect it to a PIC micro or similar, so it could count the beeps over a given time before driving the siren, this would add a bit of fuzzy logic to the alarm. There you go mineoro, an honest use for your devices. Most crims around here wear polarfleece, a real good static generator.

Kev.

Remember that Led Zep's song 'Dazed and Confused'? Well that pretty much translates the state your mind is..
Unfortunately, unable to understand their explanation in Mineoro's site about the phenomena and most of all , eager to discover their secret you come up with things like the ones above.

First of all, the FG80 is a completely different 'animal' than the PDC 210.
Yes the PDC 210 is able to locate the targets exactly as stated on their site. Proof: The gold medalion I found last year.
Another proof: My partner who's listed on Mineoro's site having found 32 gold coins from the 19th century.
Fact: The deepest the target the more intense the ionic field. My friend was able to detect the coins at a relatively small distance (about 30 feet) at 10 inches deep.

The FG80 detects fresh gold through electrostatic fields AND ionic fields also but has a different circuitry and aproach than the classic PDC210.
The gold ion , the DNA for the sensor.
Evidence: No need to move the target or the detector. If I remain stactic pointing also to a static gold ring for instance, the detector will beep. Provided the humidity conditions etc. are met.

Oh.. Yes.. For some it would be absolutely impossible..
That's the beauty of this whole thing.