False News of Mineoro

[Ebr_z2002]

Hi to everybody here. I am Iranian. today I found this site with google search (mineoro + forum) and joined.
About 2 months ago I wrote an e-mail for mineoro that was fundamentally hollow (3 BIG JAR FULL OF COINS).
I wrote it only to assay their reaction to excavating news by their devices.
except to some ordinary questions they didn't survey carefully about the report accuracy and at once put it in their site. if they thought a little would find out 3-big jar full of coins weighs much more than 3000 KG not 500 KG.
of course it indicates nothing against their production or if their devices work or not.
But they put every positive and no-documentary report in their site then other claims about founds are probably unreliable.
It was my partner plan to send such e-mail to mineoro then I apologize from all of you .
I wrote this under my conscience pressure.

[michael]

Hi guy. if suppose your claim be right, it changes nothing. you have done a joke against yourselves.
what have you tried to assay? mock yourselves?
anyway as you have mentioned; Can't conclude anything about mineoro. from my surveys(based on men I am 100% sure are independent; Dell Winders, talking to phone with one owner,...) these detectors work
but certainly old models had limitations that new models being claimed have not.( I am not sure)
I can only trust to nice men here like as Hung, Esteban ; wait for and rely on their results by the latest model.
anyway so many people are waiting for my judgment about their device and I am a little circumspect about my final judgment. I hope the latest model (FG80) be the same they claim. it will be the best for every treasure seeker. As you understand me, specially in Middle East.
By the way I know Iran somewhat. Where do you search predominantly in Iran? in which province?

[hung]

EZ, I'm sorry, but I did not understand your point on your posting above.
The Mineoro's site shows your email sent to them and I believe with your permission. If it was you or your partner who gave the 500Kg information, then that's exactly how it was displayed there. No inventions, makeups or false information. It's the information you provided on your email.
Now you say you 'wrote this under pressure'??? What pressure?
I don't know what your point is.

Since we are in this subject and Michael quoted me, I have some little news from the weekend.
Alonso left Mineoro's factory late saturday back to Paraguay. As you know he and Damasio spent the whole week finishing touchs on the upcoming new automated FGs. Saturday morning Patricia and Paulinho (Mineoro) and a party of french people who were there, witnessed the recovery of a beautiful gold incrusted medalion found by the FG79 in the back premises of the factory.
It was 1.2 meters (4 feet) deep. Later one of the french found another gold jewelry close to the same spot. As I told before, the Mineoro test field in the past was a rodeo-like reunion party place. Late 19th century. The place is loaded with lots of lost jewelry from that era.
In my visit there last year I could see dozens of PVC marks on the ground to identify the spots which contain gold and were not recovered to serve as test targets.
But the items found and recovery mentioned above were new.
One interesting thing to note.
This time of year here is one of the baddest ocasion in terms of ionic fields intensity. I don't know what thses guys made to the new series of detectors that this is apparently not a problem anymore.
So I'm more than curious and excited to try one after so much time using the PDC 210.

[Carl-NC]

I understand the area behind the factory is used extensively for testing and demonstrating the Mineoros to prospective customers. How is it that there is any gold left there at all, that has been missed in prior tests? I.e., why weren't these targets detected before.

I keep hearing that when they go out in that field, they detect and dig up one item. Then the next time, same thing... one item. Seems like with all the gold in that field, the device should be beeping all over the place. But it's always... one item. Hmmmmmm....

[michael]

...Saturday morning Patricia and Paulinho (Mineoro) and a party of french people who were there, witnessed the recovery of a beautiful gold incrusted medalion found by the FG79 in the back premises of the factory.
It was 1.2 meters (4 feet) deep. Later one of the french found another gold jewelry close to the same spot...
Hi. it's good and delightful news.whenever you have these kind of news, please inform us immediately.
My friend! when exactly will we have your own results?

[Leto]

Saturday morning Patricia and Paulinho (Mineoro) and a party of french people who were there, witnessed the recovery of a beautiful gold incrusted medalion found by the FG79 in the back premises of the factory.
It was 1.2 meters (4 feet) deep. Later one of the french found another gold jewelry close to the same spot. As I told before, the Mineoro test field in the past was a rodeo-like reunion party place. Late 19th century. The place is loaded with lots of lost jewelry from that era.


It is very unusual to have late 19th century finds 1.2 meters deep. Do you really believe that flat fields (rodeo-like) raise 1 meter in height every 100 years? Or maybe you believe that gold travels towards center of the earth with rate of 1 cm per year?

It's very unlikely that jewelry was buryed in middle of party place at that time. Or maybe whole area was covered with 1 meter of earth for some unknown reason?

There is only one option left: Mineoro guys intentionaly buryied those golden finds to suprize their naive costumers.

[Jim]

Mineoro guys intentionaly buryied those golden finds to suprize their naive costumers.

I agree :)

[hung]

I understand the area behind the factory is used extensively for testing and demonstrating the Mineoros to prospective customers. How is it that there is any gold left there at all, that has been missed in prior tests? I.e., why weren't these targets detected before.

I keep hearing that when they go out in that field, they detect and dig up one item. Then the next time, same thing... one item. Seems like with all the gold in that field, the device should be beeping all over the place. But it's always... one item. Hmmmmmm....

The test field is actually used to TEST THE IONIC FIELDS. If they are good Damasio and troup head for the beach where there are around 30.000 items estimated. Many items lie two meters away form each other.
The PVC marks cover an area I believe about 50 X 160 feet. Only a small portion of field which includes a now built soccer field for factory employees.
So theoo marks represent only a small portin of what still is buried there.
They don't bother to mark any more spots.
In fact Damasio upon testing the new units, told me they detected targets where they did not know they existed. Sounds like he's talking about the soccer field area or something. Anyway, this for me is a clear indication that the detectors are more sensitive and less prone to ionic field variations.

When I was there last november, I was using my PDC and I got beeps outside the area the PVC marks were, but I could not get consistency upon tracing down the source because the ionic fields were terrible at that time.
Maybe because the french party was there he decided to dig a sample which was 4 foot deep. This is very unusual as they usually dig only items which are about 2 foot max, specially in the beach which would be totally awkard to dig a 4 foot hole near the shore with water keeping coming in all the time.

[hung]

It is very unusual to have late 19th century finds 1.2 meters deep. Do you really believe that flat fields (rodeo-like) raise 1 meter in height every 100 years? Or maybe you believe that gold travels towards center of the earth with rate of 1 cm per year?

I agree. 1.2 meters would be too deep for such a period of time.
Two things to consider. The medallion description passed to me sounds like older than a late 19th century item. It has details incrusted and a woman figure carefully designed. Sounds like it was made to a particular person.
Also the area was covered with earth during the years to settle the land level.
So it's one or the other. Either it's older and have nothing to do with the parties there or it's related and was found in an area which was covered for land level.

It's very unlikely that jewelry was buryed in middle of party place at that time. Or maybe whole area was covered with 1 meter of earth for some unknown reason?
Yes. See above.

There is only one option left: Mineoro guys intentionaly buryied those golden finds to suprize their naive costumers.

This is the same nonsense people usuall come up to explain things they doubt.
Besides being able to attest their honesty and since the detectors only detect items which is more than 10 years old buried, what's the point to wait all this time for this?

Again, this is not magic, scam or similar. It's a device which ionically detects gold buried. And now depending on conditions also gold in air (fresh gold).
The user must know how to use it and how to interpret the beep conditions found. It's not like a TV which your turn it on and expect the image to appear. You have to gain experience with the device and this obviously take time. It's a tool. A very valuable tool by the way.

[Qiaozhi]

... A very valuable tool by the way.
You can say that again. Somewhere around $8000, so I've heard. :eek:

[Jim]

Digging known targets in a marked area, eh? Real quality testing.

[Leto]

The test field is actually used to TEST THE IONIC FIELDS. If they are good Damasio and troup head for the beach where there are around 30.000 items estimated.

If Mineoro devices realy detect gold and silver and if there are 30.000 items estimated on that beach; then this is probably famous El Dorado river delta.

I have seen inventory of whole cites and burying-grounds excavated with less then 100 golden and silver items.

You will never see me on mineoro thread again. GOOD BYE.

[Carl-NC]

The test field is actually used to TEST THE IONIC FIELDS. If they are good Damasio and troup head for the beach where there are around 30.000 items estimated.

Sounds like a person who owns a Mineoro could become very wealthy at that beach.

[hung]

Sounds like a person who owns a Mineoro could become very wealthy at that beach.

I'd rather go to Copacabana beach.
3 to 4 times that value there.

[Ebr_z2002]

today I had one email from mineoro(patricia@mineoro.com.br):
Dear Mr. EZ
Hope you are fine. We have seen in the forum below, a commentary
attributed to yourself that we would like to confirm that it was really posted by your person as it is opposed to your previous communications to MINEORO. We must know which one is true, if your communication direct to us to MINEORO email address or what you posted in the forum. In case the last is true we must remove the information about your finding from our website.
Regards,
MINEORO
JPF Damasio
Director

my answer to them was:
Yes, confirm it. Please pardon me, because it was the only way to assay you,your honesty and accuracy.
I hope your devices be the same being advertised although think you are not bad people.your behavior in your own site is under suspicion and your prices are high and bad. even if you are right in your claims better is to decrease your prices.
I hope not have furious mind to me for this and don't put reports as easily as this.

This shows one thing; they are not bad people and try to be honest. it is possible are right.
I think every body here can be right; michael,hung,car-NC,Leto,jim,Qiaozhi.
in answer to michael; do you really know iran? you suppose I am from farse, kerman, markazi or tehran province what differs? if mineoro really detects?
how accurate? are they really 8000 -9000$ worth?:confused:

[hung]

Well this confirms you really detected somehting. And something big.
But to me it's so awkward that after you detected 3 tons of gold you still worry about assaying Mineoro...???

This is sure a bizarre attitude..You might question their prices but not their attitude. There's not a single 'suspicion behaviour' form their part in this case.
Besides, after making millions now, you question the 8k bucks price?
There are detectors 3 times this price which finds nothing...

[hung]

Well this confirms you really detected somehting. And something big.
But to me it's so awkward that after you detected 3 tons of gold you still worry about assaying Mineoro...???

This is sure a bizarre attitude..You might question their prices but not their attitude. There's not a single 'suspicion behaviour' form their part in this case.
Besides, after making millions now, you question the 8k bucks price?
There are detectors 3 times this price which finds nothing...

Funny,

Re-reading his first and last email, I am not sure now he did find something. It's a little obscure. Even his reply to Mineoro was not totally clear.
My only question:

Did he find something or not?

[Esteban]

What implicates to found treasure in Iran with metal detector, no accidentally?

[michael]

... in answer to michael; do you really know iran? you suppose I am from farse, kerman, markazi or tehran province what differs?... I told know somewhat not complete. Yes I know somewhat and have some friends there.OK . it seems you are Iranian. As I have heard frequently; Archeologists believe Iran is the heaven of archaeology and more than it have heard is the land of big lost treasures.
When I read the news you posted for mineoro (3 big jar…) never was astonished.
Of course I contemplated about the weight of target was questionable. because the density of gold is 19.3 g/cm3 it means ;when you have a 50 Cm3 cube full of 24-alloy gold it weighs about 482.5 KG. although you did one inexcusable deed and flat joke.
I agree with you in this part; they shouldn’t have put the sent reports in their site without paying much attention and not repeat again, though whenever one sends such an e-mail to a firm, they will put this good news in their site. It's natural.
I am seriously and willingly tracking news about the latest model being advertised is free of any kind of error or operating limitation. I hope be so and myself send a delightful news among with documents to mineoros although have complaint to their suggested price.

[michael]

... the density of gold is 19.3 g/cm3 it means ;when you have a 50 Cm3 cube full of 24-alloy gold it weighs about 482.5 KG...
Oh, excuse me, I correct it :when you have a 50 Cm3 cube full of 24-alloy gold it weighs about 2412.5 KG .

[hung]

By now I think it's clear this guy faked a real finding.
What reasons might be that led him to do that will remain unknown but this act contributed to worsen his reputation as a trustable person.
Bellow is part of an email Patricia of Mineoro sent me and I must say that any corporation is subject to the honesty and also the dishonesty of most of their customers regarding their degree of satisfaction unfortunately.

When a person lies, he or she is first lying to him/herself.
This fact will not make a single scratch to Mineoro's reputation. I know how serious they are and I also contacted many people listed on the site who recovered things before I had my detector. And they are for real.
Bellow is the confirmation that every info is checked before displayed at the site.

Dear Fernando,

We will retrieve the false information communicated by Mr. Zamani from our site without further explanations.
Who is that person to state that our website is "under suspicion" or something of the like?
What is his authority to do that? When it was he, himself who gratuitously provided the false information, which was appropiately checked at the time with specific questions about the details of his finding, distance, depth, difficulties he encountered, conditions. With specific questions about his privacy requirements. Everything that person requested was taken into account as we always do with the clients´ requirements and just the bare information was published.

[Ebr_z2002]

Who is that person to state that our website is "under suspicion" or something of the like? What is his authority to do that?
When I wrote are under suspicion is due to their meaningless production line.
you see in less than half year they have introduced various models.everyday one model.
an interesting aspect is when produce a new model tell it is the best, it is ..... all lies. the day after new introduced will be the best....
you see these results I selected from my archive.
object (Gold hair brooch)
1- MT2006 60% No electric net nearby ........................... 190.30 yds / 174 metros
2- DM42 50% No electric net nearby ........................... 158.60 yds / 145 metros
3- GDM428 70% No electric net nearby ........................... 222 yds / 203 metros
4- GDP538 100% No electric net nearby ........................... 317.10 yds / 290 metros
5- DC2006 Electric net nearby ............................... 185.90 yds / 170 metros
6- DC2008 No Electric net nearby ............................ 185.90 yds / 170 metros
compare models.think a little. if Gdp538 was 100% why produced another things? the newest model(Dc2008)strength is less than some old models !!!!!!!!!!!

Object Gold Ring with Diamond
The Directional MINEORO® research 5,4 more time!
Models FG78 and DC2006.It located the same ring at 8.858feet /2.70m or more depth.
Models FG78 and DC2006. It detected a ring at 21.87yds / 20m distance.
The Directional MINEORO® research 5,4 more time!
Models FG80/FG79 and DC2008. It located the same ring at 8.858feet /2.70m or more depth.
Models FG80/FG79 and DC2008. It detected a ring at 21.87yds / 20m distance.
Object Gold Mine. Weight The stone contains of ½ grams of gold
Model FG78. It located a gold stone at 3.937feet / 1.20m or more depth.
Model FG78. It detected a stone at 9.843yds / 9m distance.
Model FG80/FG79. It located a gold stone at 3.937feet / 1.20m or more depth.
Model FG80/FG79. It detected a stone at 9.843yds / 9m distance.
when compare see no difference between fg78,79,80.??!!!
and here;
Treasure: Gold 4,409lbs / 2.000kg.
- 2 Gold snakes statues...
- 2 Gold boxes...
DC2006 detected from 720m, fg78 from 800m, Dc2008 from 840m, fg79 from 1080m, fg80 from 1200m.
see a bold difference.they certainly tell cause is target size.

and this is the most ridiculous;
at same date distinctive targets detected by 2 different models;
Date 04/13/2006
Finding Gold ring with ruby Detector Metal detector - DC2006 Distance 65.62yds / 60m
Depth 27.56in / 70cm Weight 0.009921lb / 4,5g
Finding Silver coin - Carlos IV Detector Metal detector - DC2006 Distance 32.81yds / 30m Depth 19.69in / 50cm
Date 04/13/2006
Finding Gold ring with ruby Detector Metal detector - DC2007 Distance 65.62yds / 60m
Depth 27.56in / 70cm Weight 0.009921lb / 4,5g
Finding Silver coin - Carlos IV Detector Metal detector - DC2007 Distance 32.81yds / 30m Depth 19.69in / 50cm
when compare all above first thinking is all these models were produced at the same time.i.e no significant difference between
old and new models.i.e. when they had pdc205 had fg80 it is possible the box components in pdc205 is equal to fg80.
how they know it's gold hair brooch and at different times detected it by various models?!!wherease were able to detect
old buried targets!! and so for other objects were compared for other models.

They lying is clear but cannot tell a neat lie.
one day GDP538 is 10 times more sensitive than pdc210. after it DC 2006 more sensitive than GDP538.
and continues; DC2007, Dc2008, Fg78,79,89 and may be goes to.....FG8000. when really will finish?
Is here anybody have seen this speed of progress in specific technology or one company had this speed?(except to mineoro)
they have quized technology.
suppose their claims be right,why so much expensive?
one day they bought pdc210 4950 $ and now 9000$. it is really ridiculous.:D

[hung]

Who is that person to state that our website is "under suspicion" or something of the like? What is his authority to do that?
When I wrote are under suspicion is due to their meaningless production line.
you see in less than half year they have introduced various models.everyday one model.
an interesting aspect is when produce a new model tell it is the best, it is ..... all lies. the day after new introduced will be the best....
you see these results I selected from my archive.
object (Gold hair brooch)
1- MT2006 60% No electric net nearby ........................... 190.30 yds / 174 metros
2- DM42 50% No electric net nearby ........................... 158.60 yds / 145 metros
3- GDM428 70% No electric net nearby ........................... 222 yds / 203 metros
4- GDP538 100% No electric net nearby ........................... 317.10 yds / 290 metros
5- DC2006 Electric net nearby ............................... 185.90 yds / 170 metros
6- DC2008 No Electric net nearby ............................ 185.90 yds / 170 metros
compare models.think a little. if Gdp538 was 100% why produced another things? the newest model(Dc2008)strength is less than some old models !!!!!!!!!!!

Object Gold Ring with Diamond
The Directional MINEORO® research 5,4 more time!
Models FG78 and DC2006.It located the same ring at 8.858feet /2.70m or more depth.
Models FG78 and DC2006. It detected a ring at 21.87yds / 20m distance.
The Directional MINEORO® research 5,4 more time!
Models FG80/FG79 and DC2008. It located the same ring at 8.858feet /2.70m or more depth.
Models FG80/FG79 and DC2008. It detected a ring at 21.87yds / 20m distance.
Object Gold Mine. Weight The stone contains of ½ grams of gold
Model FG78. It located a gold stone at 3.937feet / 1.20m or more depth.
Model FG78. It detected a stone at 9.843yds / 9m distance.
Model FG80/FG79. It located a gold stone at 3.937feet / 1.20m or more depth.
Model FG80/FG79. It detected a stone at 9.843yds / 9m distance.
when compare see no difference between fg78,79,80.??!!!
and here;
Treasure: Gold 4,409lbs / 2.000kg.
- 2 Gold snakes statues...
- 2 Gold boxes...
DC2006 detected from 720m, fg78 from 800m, Dc2008 from 840m, fg79 from 1080m, fg80 from 1200m.
see a bold difference.they certainly tell cause is target size.

and this is the most ridiculous;
at same date distinctive targets detected by 2 different models;
Date 04/13/2006
Finding Gold ring with ruby Detector Metal detector - DC2006 Distance 65.62yds / 60m
Depth 27.56in / 70cm Weight 0.009921lb / 4,5g
Finding Silver coin - Carlos IV Detector Metal detector - DC2006 Distance 32.81yds / 30m Depth 19.69in / 50cm
Date 04/13/2006
Finding Gold ring with ruby Detector Metal detector - DC2007 Distance 65.62yds / 60m
Depth 27.56in / 70cm Weight 0.009921lb / 4,5g
Finding Silver coin - Carlos IV Detector Metal detector - DC2007 Distance 32.81yds / 30m Depth 19.69in / 50cm
when compare all above first thinking is all these models were produced at the same time.i.e no significant difference between
old and new models.i.e. when they had pdc205 had fg80 it is possible the box components in pdc205 is equal to fg80.
how they know it's gold hair brooch and at different times detected it by various models?!!wherease were able to detect
old buried targets!! and so for other objects were compared for other models.

They lying is clear but cannot tell a neat lie.
one day GDP538 is 10 times more sensitive than pdc210. after it DC 2006 more sensitive than GDP538.
and continues; DC2007, Dc2008, Fg78,79,89 and may be goes to.....FG8000. when really will finish?
Is here anybody have seen this speed of progress in specific technology or one company had this speed?(except to mineoro)
they have quized technology.
suppose their claims be right,why so much expensive?
one day they bought pdc210 4950 $ and now 9000$. it is really ridiculous.:D

Hey EZ,
I see you show up again. And now you sound upset.
Regarding your questions, you chose to answer them and you answered them wrong.
You claim Mineoro did not check your information, etc.
But you did not check their explanations upon the ionic phenomena, otherwise you would know the correct answers to your questions.

The reason the distance seem to dimish regarding the models specified is simply because the measurements were taken is different times of year and the ionic field in those times are greater or....lower in intensity. You will see that the new models actually detects longer than the previous ones.
The GDP measurement for instance was taken during summer in S. America.
Yes, you guesse. Ionic fields with high intensity allowing longer detection.
The DC2008 for instance was taken aftermarch with ionic fields low and humidity high.
So Mneoro's comparison charts were put absolutely correct and honest.

Now I have a question for you.
Why not taking your PDC210 to the field where according to Michael there's a true 'ElDorado' there insteda of wasting your time trying to 'catch' Mineoro?

[michael]

Mr. EZ.
I suggest you keep patience and don't judge so slapdash.
some of your comparisons were in my mind, but as dear Hung said those have
reasonable answers. I believe in and trust him and am waiting for his latest results.
from these comparisons can't conclude they are "under-suspicion".
you have before said they aren't bad people and I think so.
we are impatiently waiting for these nice guys reports of the latest production. with hope to not being any limitation will order it.
I swear am not from America or southern America, I am from Middle east as well. please trust me.
As Hung mentioned would you like to cooperate in a treasure hunting project by your PDC210? If yes, send private message.
We own some good & reliable ancient maps (some are from your country).

[Ebr_z2002]

Hi. Oh no. what reasonable answers??
suppose you are righ,you did not answer to these;
first- why a particular object(Gold hair brooch) detected by different models at
different dates? unless yhose models detected only old buried? I.e. when discovered
by MT2006 not possible to be discoverd again by GDP538 or dc2008.hummm??
how they detect a particular object at different times and dates by various models???!!!!

second- hung wrote; … is simply because the measurements were taken is different times of year and the ionic field in those times are greater or....lower in intensity
what about results for dc2006 & 2007 at same date(04/13/2006) for particular targets detected by these models without any difference? No difference in results!!!
Means at least no different between dc2006 & 2007. read my above post again and yourself compare.

finally. michael, I never had from mineoro devices. For that cannot do any project and am not interested in your maps we have many of ancient maps, but in this world is not even one useful detector to become successful. The swindelers ; WHITS, GARRET, FISHER, MINELAB, TESORO,….. only produce Useless toys and waste our money,life and nerves. we always here tell god damn all of them. do not know if mineoro is like them or not. if not is a magic.

[sony]

:D
This post is dedicated to
Ebr z2002 , Leto , Robert , Ivconic , Carl and other smart and clever people here , on
this forum also Geo,KT315, J Player , Qiaozhi and others....
but NOT TO "beleivers",promoters, frauds and simillar...
Such argue,retorics and efforts to try to convince the oposite side has done
nothing productive so far and it will not in the future !
The reasons of that are very transparent: those people comes here not to take
a part in this forum and be productive, not to post here some proofs and some
usefull things so we, others can use it, no not at all! Those people come here
and bug,bash,spoil everything here, also trying to promote lies,frauds and of
course, trying to provide some of more naive suckers for their gang, so that
mineoro toys can be soled worldvide, and a good money can be earned.That is the
only truth.
Trust me, the best way to deal with those people here is to DISREGARD all their
posts!Sooner or later they gonna realize that is no use of them being here any more.
Just let them to continue with such funny posts, posting so much funny pics here,
convincing each other that their fairy tales are true...ha,ha,ha !!! At the begining
i was pissed of, but now i am very relaxed visiting this kind of threads.Whenever i
want to laugh on stupids and imbeciles i come here!I even download those posts and
spread amongs my frieands like unique joke. Everybody laugh on it!
This type of thread becomes a place where you can meet "look-like" people and for the
future to know very well with who you might be talking on some subject, if is...
Like a gheto. They all come here, so you do not need to make any effort to mark them
on some other threads and forums.
If some further reply's on this post, just to let you know that this kind of post here
is just quite enough competent and usable as some previous posts here about some false
reports and some finds, so i DO HAVE FULL RIGHT TO EXPRESS MY ATTITUDE HERE ALSO TO
CONTRIBUTE HERE WITH MY OPINION, THE SAME RIGHT, AS SOME PEOPLE HERE USED TO POST THEIR
LIES HERE, OFFENDING OUR INTELIGENCY EVERY TIME THEY SHOWS HERE !!!
So i am gonna disregard any further reply on this here...

"About 2 months ago I wrote an e-mail for mineoro that was fundamentally hollow (3 BIG JAR
FULL OF COINS).I wrote it only to assay their reaction to excavating news by their devices.
except to some ordinary questions they didn't survey carefully about the report accuracy
and at once put it in their site. if they thought a little would find out 3-big jar full of
coins weighs much more than 3000 KG not 500 KG.of course it indicates nothing against their
production or if their devices work or not.But they put every positive and no-documentary
report in their site then other claims about founds are probably unreliable.
It was my partner plan to send such e-mail to mineoro then I apologize from all of you .
I wrote this under my conscience pressure...."
Ebr z2002 CONGATULATIONS !!!!!! You are champion !!!
"...of course it indicates nothing against their production or if their devices work or not."
Their devices work for real....but only in their dreams !!! Trust me!

If you want to check some serious manufacturer just send something simillar to them.
For example send some simillar mail to White's or Garrett or Fisher.....
This kind of jokes can "do the job" only to "manufacturer" like mineoro (i am not using capital
"M" at all, when mentioning that name), simply because they do not have any material proof
at all for their devices to work.They only rely on others support, like here on these threads.
It is very easy to fool them, when ever you want! Only "blind" people can not see that!

Leto come here again, join us sceptics, let's togather fight against frauds! Let push them out
of this excell forum for good! Let this forum be our oasis, without any trash at all!
They already spoiled so many places on the .net so far! Let preserve at least this place clean!
On every of their nonsence post here, we can answer with one of ours! Let's fight!
Let's just bug and bash them so much to push them to leave this place for good!
NO MORE LIES !!! NO MORE FRAUDS !!! GO TO HELL "BELEIVERS" !!!
best regards to "sceptics"
and
to beleivers:
VAI SE FODER PARA SEMPRE!!!
CVETE A LA MIERDA PARA SIEMPRE!!!
Cojo a madre del yor usted los fraudes!!!
Eu fodo a măe do yor vocę frauds!!!

:D :D :D :D :D :D

[J_Player]

I agree that it may be possible for LRL detectors to work. But the bottom line is:

Why is there no person on the entire earth willing to demonstrate a LRL machine working in front of our eyes, same as other metal detectors are demonstrated in front of our eyes?

Until someone is willing to show us a LRL work, then nobody will belive these machines. You want us to believe your machine is a good machine? it is easy. Show us a demonstraton of it working in front of us. No more b.s. stories obout treasure 20 years ago.

[michael]

:D Let's just bug and bash them so much to push them to leave this place for good! NO MORE LIES !!! NO MORE FRAUDS !!! GO TO HELL "BELEIVERS" !!! best regards to "sceptics"
I should change it regards to "rational skeptics". It seems this guy (sony) is the one, Robert .his tone look-alikes thoroughly to robert; disrespectful and arrogant.
One day one junior member in robert name comes and stings others, when becomes notorious for his tone and lies goes to another name that it's also a junior member and continues his habits. Yesterday with robert name today with SONY , tomorrow with PANASONIC, JVC,… names. Where were you robert (sony)? We really missed you. How about your latest results about FG80 you have gotten of your European friends? Come on please , don’t hang us over .;)
Mr. Sony (robert), Why do you select your favorite parts of Ebr Z2002 comments?
He emits no distinct idea about Mineoro devices, on the other hand isn't sure against mineoro. But does and is sure about those you love. apparently he wills their perdition when he tells;
" We always here tell god damn all of them".
You blow in your horn and summon others as though you are in war. Yes you don’t think of anything more than war in regard to rational arguments. I add here am not Mineoro prejudice proponent,
but know long range distance detection is right and works.

[hung]

Hi. Oh no. what reasonable answers??
suppose you are righ,you did not answer to these;
first- why a particular object(Gold hair brooch) detected by different models at
different dates? unless yhose models detected only old buried? I.e. when discovered
by MT2006 not possible to be discoverd again by GDP538 or dc2008.hummm??
how they detect a particular object at different times and dates by various models???!!!!

what about results for dc2006 & 2007 at same date(04/13/2006) for particular targets detected by these models without any difference? No difference in results!!!
Means at least no different between dc2006 & 2007. read my above post again and yourself compare.

.

I see what you mean.
I've also seen this in the past but did not bother .
My guess is that in the past as the new detectors were being introduced and their webdesginer or so simply used to sub the previous detectors in all site related parts.
I will contact them about this and will get back if some think it's relevant.

About posts like Sony's, I have already been disregarding those in the past and I will not waste my time towards it.
If someone wishes to do so, it's up to them.

[Dell Winders]

Say anything, whether it is true or not is a well used Skeptic cult psychological stratagy to distract and disrupt forum discussions they feel deter from their agenda. It happens in all the forums the cultist are permitted freedom of speech to harass in.

Robert, has already warned of his intentions to bash and harass us until we leave. Others, perhaps aliases, will join the harassament until discussions on the subject can no longer be continued without webmaster intervention. That is why I no longer attempt to share my own field knowledge here because it is disrespected and a waste of my time to do so. This is a skeptic cult forum where disrespect and product bashing is to be expected.

JPlayer, As far as I know, LRL dealers give demonstrations of their products when you go to their place of business, the same as metal detector dealers give demonstrations when you go to their place business. It's up to you to make the appointment. Dell


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[hung]

Why is there no person on the entire earth willing to demonstrate a LRL machine working in front of our eyes, same as other metal detectors are demonstrated in front of our eyes?

Until someone is willing to show us a LRL work, then nobody will belive these machines. You want us to believe your machine is a good machine? it is easy. Show us a demonstraton of it working in front of us. No more b.s. stories obout treasure 20 years ago.

Dell is correct on his post and I just add that what you are claiming is not true.
Regarding Mineoros, there's a dealer in US already. I just don't know if he has any detector in stock for a demo, as the new ones are not out yet and the old ones are gone for sure, and also if he has the knowledge to conduct a demonstration. I am not doubting of his skills. Far from that. It's just that I don't know if he's only a mere dealer or an actual power user.

I told you this in the past. If you want a demo 'in loco' go, visit their place.
Good news for you is that Damasio has planed a trip to US. Just don't know when and if he indeed will be able to cause he has health problems.

[J_Player]

As far as the skeptic bashing in this forum, It appears there are a very few who are intent on enforcing their own form of censorship by discrediting and posting personal attacks against other members. In my opinion, this adds nothing useful to the forum. In fact it tends to degrade the forum by showing it to be a place where people are not free to put forth their ideas for others to consider. The only thing of value I can see in the posts by these people is their statements of disagreement, and their questions asking to see proof. The fact that they don't understand the principle on which LRL detecting works does not prove that LRL principles don't exist or that anyone is a fraud. It appears to me these people would do well in a country where everyone is presumed guilty until they can prove otherwise.

Another class of forum member is the highly educated member with a strong background in technical areas such as electronics or physics. These people are not qualified to prove that there are no principles that could cause a LRL to work unless they are thoroughly trained the very principles which they claim can't work. This is another area where we have people claiming LRLs don't work only because they are not familiar with principles that might make them work. How can a highly trained technical person make that mistake? The answer is as follows:

Most technically trained people are taught to examine a machine or a design for one, then use all their knowledge to understand the workings of that machine. From there, they are able to determine any flaws or areas that might need improvement, and possibly modify the machine to perform it's intended function better.

The key is that these trained technicians are limited by their knowledge. When they examine machines that they don't understand, they usually conclude that the machine is beyond their knowledge base, and they look for more information so they can understand the machine. And herein lies the problem:

There are LRL users who make claims about ionic fields, magnetic-electric fields and other principles that they say make these LRLs work. These fields may be involved in some way, but in ignorance of the technical details, these pseudo-scientists are ssending out a lot of misleading information that any trained technician would laugh at. The trained technicians are served a conglomeration of b.s. that nobody in the scientific community could accept for an explanation.

We understand that the LRL users have no intention to mislead, but the information they put out is so bad that the only way a knowledgable person could use it is to make a joke of it. I would suggest that those who don't really know what their LRL machines are sensing should say so. If an LRL user is sure his machine is measuring a field, then show some instrumentation that any technician could veify that the field actually exists and is measurable. If that can't be done, then all the field talk is heresay or "imagined" or speculative theories, not fact.

The only proof I have ever seen in remote detection is the proof of experience. My experience has no scientific basis except an unusually high incidence of people locating buried objects and streams with dowsing rods. In my opinion this is not proof. If a survey were done by a statistician observing a number of trained dowsers, he may be able to show that the odds are so great that we can accept for fact that some people are capable of dowsing.
However, I have never seen this "unusually high incidence" for LRL detecting. Why? Because there is nobody on earth who is willing to give a live demonstration of a LRL finding treasure.

I have heard the replies from Dell and Hung telling me to visit the dealers. But these Mineoro dealers do not give demonstrations of their products working, nor do they stock any Mineoro products. The procedure is they require you to send money to buy the machine, which will be manufactured in Brazil while you wait. Then, when the machine arrives at your home, you can read the instructions as well as online instructions and hope you have good results.

This is not a live demonstration.


So there we have it... no understandable principles on how the Mineoro or any other LRL works, and nobody on earth willing to give a live demonstration of any LRL finding treasure. Why bother with that nonsense?

I would be happy to see somebody prove me wrong. I have accomodations for Damasio if he is willing to stop in Southern California to demonstrate his Mineoro finding treasure.

[Jim]

I'm skeptical about dowsing with two bent wires.

I am positive that the electronics in this fraudulent crap does not work. The electronics (or lack of electronics) WILL NOT transmit a resonating frequency 1 inch, let alone one mile. The electronics (or lack of electronics) WILL NOT “sniff” out floating gold ions.

I am positive that the ONLY people benefiting from the manufacturing of these fraudulent devices are the ones making and selling them.

[robert]

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:


"Hi Comely Sony (robert)..." !!!!?????
"It seems this guy (sony) is the one, Robert .his tone look-alikes thoroughly to robert;
disrespectful and arrogant." !!!!?????
"One day one junior member in robert name comes and stings others, when becomes notorious
for his tone and lies goes to another name that it's also a junior member and continues his
habits. Yesterday with robert name today with SONY , tomorrow with PANASONIC, JVC,… names.
Where were you robert (sony)? We really missed you. How about your latest results about FG80
you have gotten of your European friends? Come on please , don’t hang us over..."

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????

I am confused !? You mistake me with somebody which i am NOT for sure !!!
And AGAIN and AGAIN you are mentioning my name and provoking me !?
Michael you don't even know me!? You don't even know who am i !? What i did so wrong to
you to provoke me more and more here !??? Nobody else here provoked me so far like you
did!? Why? You must confused me with somebody else!

If you have something against me personally than let's please explain what !?
I do agree with SOny 100% in all he mentioned! But i am not Sony!!! I do not even know
that man at all! It is just justifying the universal truth about mineoro products, when
a people do claim the same claims, like Sony did, simillar to mine previous posts here!
"...We really missed you..."
I decided to leave this thread and not to waste my time here any more.But you evoked
me again and again, whenever i decide to leave...???

I guess you want to argue with somebody all the time! Since no body want that, you
picked me to bug even if i am not here any more.....
I suggest you to start a new thread here for arguing, for example "Spitting thread" or
"War Zone", or something like it...
Well, according to you i am RObert, Sony, Leto and a few more here...A piece of me is
a Carl,also JPLayer and Quiaozhi too.....!!!???
Sooner or later i am gonna be the whole forum here for you!!! If that so, one day i might
be a MIchael too, or Esteban...who knows?
You are paranoic, and that is your problem not mine! Go, buy some mineoro and be happy,
stop bugging me, stop mentioning my name, stop comparing me with others.

"How about your latest results about FG80
you have gotten of your European friends?"
It is not my problem cose you can not afford to have any of mineoro's so far!
I already checked FG78 for a 2 months, and it is truth! If you do not beleive in
that, i don't mind at all! Your problem, not mine. Your masters from mineoro,Brasil
do not consider you very serious since do not give you proper informations about
their latest products. Ha,ha,ha....and you are arguing with me here...Ha,ha,ha...
Hung is a hell of a joker. He peaks you-not me, to fool with! Ha,ha,ha...
Congratulations Hung! Give dog a bone for a while...
If you don't want mine posts here, than simply do not mention my name any more....
.................................................. ................................
"Robert, has already warned of his intentions to bash and harass us until we leave.
Others, perhaps aliases,...."
EVEN YOU !!!??? Yes, i warned....and than i disapeared! I decided not to "bash and
harass" you any more here, but as you see michael is chanting my name all the time!
So i am pushed to answer.
" That is why I no longer attempt to share my own field knowledge here because it is
disrespected and a waste of my time to do so...."

Dell !!! If i am the only reason for that, than please come back here again and stay
for good. I am not gonna bug you at all!!! I give you my word!
Besides, Carl already warned me to stop, so i decided to stop! Ask michael to stop too
and you'll never see any of mine posts here any more!
I do respect some of your posts here, although i can not agree with it 100%....
I also do not understand the principles of LRL, it is simply beyond my knowledge too!
It is not shame to admit that. That's why i visited these threads for the first time,
to read and learn more...
But, i was not satisfied with much of the presented posts here.No logical explanations
here,no proofs, no scienced backgrounds,no literature on which i can "call" and see
if some claims here are true or false. You were talking so much here, but i did not
understand at all!!! It must be my english, it is poor i guess! I can talk some
"Tarzan" english here, as you see, but when comes to "technician terms", than i am
lost in it.
It must be that...!!??? Who knows? Anyway, i'll stop again to "bash and harass" here
and stop being dictator again! PLEASE, come back here and continue with education!
Ha,ha,ha.....
Sdrager !!!!

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J PLayer you are just to fine and polite gentleman! I do know that! Deep in your
hearth you are thinking the same way as me. O.K. you do not have to confess here that.
I am your "alter ego", also Carl's "alter ego", also everybody's else's from the
"sceptics" tribe, "alter ego"!
If you do not trust me, than try to argue with "those" people here, and you'll see!
You are nice people, you are doing just fine. Thank's for that!
But somebody just had to take the role of "bad and ugly" here, and to deal the
"beleivers" properly. I did that for a while, but decided to stop. So i'll stop
now. The very best regards !


:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[sony]

:)
Ha!
Funny people!
So i am Robert ha!? Anybody attack your nonsences is Robert !?
Good!

[michael]

The electronics (or lack of electronics) WILL NOT transmit a resonating frequency 1 inch, let alone one mile.
At least I can’t believe this because of our practical field tests. I know not about what really happens in detection, but really detects. Please go to ; http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/showthread.php?t=11046&page=9 (http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/showthread.php?t=11046&page=9)
see the subject “thank you again Robert” its’ thoroughly true. And we did it by our own. If you don’t want to believe, it’s up to you.
You must confused me with somebody else!
Hi. What did cause you immediately appear hear? hum? How you were informed about these comments? By who? Maybe by SONY, yes?
I should tell you don’t regard others unintelligent.[this was answer to your statement(in Sony name) ; AS SOME PEOPLE HERE USED TO POST THEIR LIES HERE, OFFENDING OUR INTELIGENCY .Yes don’t insult our intellect.
when comparing these statements: GO TO HELL "BELEIVERS",
…. to DISREGARD all their posts... Congratulations Hung! Give dog a bone for a while...No hesitation these both belong to one person.
I guess you want to argue with somebody all the time!No no, you yourself know this better.
I argue with who Can’t write or talk politely. In my opinion who can’t respect others and their ideas never can emit scientific notes or even think scientifically.
Do you know any Witan, scientist or thoughtful has spoken or written such an impolite and disrespectful Statements?
Robert (sony) you are not in congruity with Carl-NC or J-player or any other rational skeptics because they never do irreverence to others even if don’t agree with them.
If you don't want mine posts here, than simply do not mention my name any more....
We never mind. You be or not, doesn’t make any difference although, you have been and will be as sony, robert or possibly other new upcoming names .
J PLayer you are just to fine and polite gentleman
By god learn from him, please. Honesty to god it will make us happy.:)

[ivconic]

:confused:
Michael , man , you are acting like pest !
Leave RObert alone!
You are seeking some problems!
If you want you'll get!

[sony]

:rolleyes: :cool:
".......some stupid with the flare gun...."

ha,ha,ha.....
again some people raise voices here...huh!
it is so hard to live these days...
same retorics from the different people mean only one thing:
must be something wrong with your attitude michael !?
Think about that!
besides, leave argue and show some productive stuff here...ha...
you all the same people! either argue either leave this place...nothing else..
It just can't be that everybody here are so ignorant and only you and other
2 friends of yours are so smart!? Ha!? You michael,hung and dell !?
All others of us are so ignorant so you came here to "light'n up" us for a bit!?

Get a hell out of there you!
Go, stuck head in a sand and look for jars!

[robert]

:( :o

"I think am right"
You are so wrong...! Ha,ha,ha!
"Hi. What did cause you immediately appear hear? hum? How you were informed about these
comments? By who? Maybe by SONY, yes?"

Ha! Of course not! I never left this forum! I am here all the time, downloading every
new post on whole forum, every day, just to keep myself informed.
I just decided not to show here so often, cose no sence at all to keep trying to push
you and people like you to give here some real things, instead of empty retorics and
so much lies and virtual reallity...
For a sake of truth, Esteban is the only one who's showed some effort and posted some
constructive posts here, although i was argued with him too, much latelly. But still
i can pay some tribute to his appereance here, at least he done something! Besides,
iz Zahori subject he posted enough to make me beleive in his honest will to do something
on that subject. What about you and others!?
"Yes don’t insult our intellect. when comparing these statements:..."
I am not sure about others, but you....well, after your last posts, i am wondering about
your intellect, seriouslly! Now i am very serious, no jokes at all! Are you real when
claiming that i am sony !? You must be jokin me...or provoking...
It is not possible that you are serious!? Or you are so sick!?

" argue with who Can’t write or talk politely. In my opinion who can’t respect others and
their ideas never can emit scientific notes or even think scientifically."

"Politely"...!? What do (or others here) i have from you being polite when, at the same time
spread so much lies here!? You and other few people here and other few threads with the same
subject - "mineoro and lrl"....

I just can not respect the man who is trying to lie to me and also want to persuade by force
me in some nonsences....
We can be polite and talk polite and respect each other, only up to the point where both are
honest. But when one of us start selling "the fog" to the others, than that is hurting my
intellect so much, i just can not be polite any more!

You started first! Remember? I do have whole forum here in my pc, do i need to quote all
your poisoned posts so far?

"...We never mind...."
Who "we" !?? You always talking in somebody's else names. Are the hung,dell,esteban gave
you right to procurate them here!? Or you just feel much stronger when not alone?
Or maybe you have a few "tenants" in your head? It must be that! I am sure about that!
So if you are splited person and mind, you also (by the rule) proclaimed me too!
Ha,ha,ha! There are certain health institutions for cases like you. Only, somebody have to
take you there.
Very pathetic behaviour, feeling safe, and provoking with no risk at all!
As long as you think that you are at safe distance from the people you are attacking, you
gonna continue like that. That's why i decided not to waste time with you.
I am gonna be here all the time but i am not gonna answer on every rubbish you post here!
.......................

Sony, man, i tried so far but with no success at all! Give it up! No use from that!
We can contact via e-mail in further.
.......................................

Carl, man, i am not gonna do this again! This is the last time, me to answer to nobody's!
Peace! Keep cool!
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[Carl-NC]

End of the line, fellows.

This forum is for discussion of remote sensing equipment. I intend to keep it open and fair, for anyone and everyone, regardless of what equipment they wish to discuss.

If you disagree with someone, fine. Refute their claims, using persuasive arguments. But be civil.

If you think someone is a liar, fraud, or whatever, fine. You are free to believe whatever you like about someone. But you may not use the forum to express that belief.

Censoring is something I really, really don't like to do. But from this point on, any personal comments... name-calling, baiting, sniping, whatever... gets deleted. I do not have time to edit posts, so I will simply delete the whole post. Please don't make this necessary.

- Carl

[ivconic]

:)
Yes ! I agree ! It is last moment to stop!
best regards!