Mineoro News

[hung]

Just thought I'd give an update on the FG78.
Talked to the people there and the new units will be ready to be shipped next week. Apparently there are new features which were not advertised initially such as the ionic field reducer for pinpoint a big object which could produce a 300 feet diameter field.
Prior to that I had to use a 2 kv generator to depolarize it.
Can't wait to try this thing...

[michael]

Hi Hung,
visiting mineoro site see they have changed the sensor from telescopic to
old type in FG 78. the question is; what was problem with telescopic antenna?
If they have done carefully survey and research, why again did turn back to
the old plan?

[hung]

Hi Michael,

You're right. They switched the telescopic antenna project initially planed to an ionic chamber type aerial.
But this is not the 'old' ionic chamber per se. It's a new concept which includes infra red inside it. It was developed for the fresh gold detection.
This proved to be even more effective than the telescopic antenna concept.

I think two models will be available. A one metal (gold) and the 2 metal (silver-gold) version. But I can be wrong.

Anyway, I should get one till the end of next week. I'll post my impressions. . Regards.

[ma330]

hi to all;
please send for me schematic minero& pcb& part list and coils:) .
i want information about bandido Umax ii .(about depth deting)???:)
tank you .good nice . good byyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy:)

[michael]

Anyway, I should get one till the end of next week. I'll post my impressions. . Regards.

Thank you dear Hung.do you mean they at first designed FG78 with telescopic antenna and then immediately(after a short while)made advanced version?!!
Anyway I think most of interested guys specially this forum members are
very willing to know of your gotten experiences about it.

Another thing; If you can make communication with them please ask ;why
don't put any new report of new founds by latest models like as GDM 428,
GDP 538,Dc 2006 and a Wmv file of how FG78 works?
Regards.

[hung]

Michael,

Actually they did not 'made an advanced version' for the FG 78.
The old picture which displayed the 'telescopic antenna' was of the prototype. Damasio who is an extremely perfectionist person , besides being a genius in my opinion, is always striving to acomplish the latest state of the art technology on Mineoro detectors. That's why it took a little while for the FG to show up.
The new ionic chamber turned to be much more effective than the one with a telescopic aerial. So the first alternative finally went into production.
I heard he considered a laser sight but it did not work along with the ionic chamber. Maybe later... You also can see in Mineoro's site that the new models work with only 25 % of ionic field intensity. This is a landmark as previous models only worked with fields well above 50%.

Regarding the new findings, it's already there on the site. The FG however is new and the only target found previous to production was the one which served as test target, that is, the almost 2 tons of gold which belonged to a governor.

[michael]

Thanks a lot Hung.

Regarding the new findings, it's already there on the site.
I have seen no founds by new models the reports are only from PDC 205 & 210
The FG however is new and the only target found previous to production was the one which served as test target, that is, the almost 2 tons of gold which belonged to a governor.
Please write more about this test details such as; distance and depth of detection and soil + weather conditions.
Anyway please put all of the new results and experiences about latest models
specially FG78 and don't deprive us from them.

[hung]

I have seen no founds by new models the reports are only from PDC 205 & 210


The first four findings in this link were found using the GDM 428 and GDP 538
http://www.mineoro.com/tesouros/achados01.htm

The DC 2006 was released in the end of january, so it's kind of recent.
But I know two guys here in Brazil who found a lot of items in the beach 2 or 3 days in a row in February. Maybe Mineoro did not have the time or bothered to post such items in the site yet...

[jojo]

Hello to mineoro owner,

Have you try coating the gold with paint or put in a container with
oil on it,or painting it with resin type paint in black color,can the ions
still be detected by the mineoro detector specially there new model
FG78 and DC2006 series?is there a way to block the ions release by gold
to escape detection on mineoro detector?can you try this test for me
HUNG and ESTEBAN?

Thank you in advance

jojo

[michael]

Hi Dears Hung and Esteban .
There is 3 important questions about using mineoro:
1-Wherever the surface of soil has been ploughed for agriculture or be
subsoiled, won’t frustrate or demolish the ion field of buried target, then
mineoro be not able to detect it?

2- Have you or anybody else who you know, searched and detected in a
wooded area without any problem? In other words, don’t the trees induce
false signals or forbid and blind the detection?

3- As you had mentioned nearly this;" the mineoro user have to practice and acquire experience to be able to detect appropriately by it..." then, can we deduce; mineoro using is not as simple as the advertised movies in it's site?
If you don’t have the answers and can communicate with mineoro
inventors, please ask them and consider to these notes especially in your
FG78 tests.
Your answers will be appreciated.
Regards,Michael

[Esteban]

Hi

1. The removal of soil and target, the electric field dissapears. If the target is more depth respect the ploughed soil, you can detect it.

2. Yes, I have localized a site, forest area, big trees, and the signal is good, but is private property...

3. With the models 205 and 210, the target show a big angle detection, maybe 60º or more. This is the reason why is difficult to find the exact point. Don't know the accuracy of new models, 2006 and FG, I have not yet for to test. Between the days 13 to 16 April I'll go in trip with 2006 or FG model.

[michael]

Thanks a lot dear Esteban.
At least I am impatiently waiting for your new reports of new models. please consider to these notes in your tests. I think other members are as well as waiting for and follow these.

[Jim]

2. Yes, I have localized a site, forest area, big trees, and the signal is good, but is private property...

If the property is private, and the target not retrieved...how would one know that the signal is good?

[Esteban]

If you adjust properly in the limit the 2 knobs, you will find objects, you must be delicate in the adjustment. Remember: small objects only produces microvolts umbalance...

There are only two reason why you never find nothing (always refers the 2 knobs model, no automatic): bad adjustment or failures in the detector.

Jim: The signal is good because is very insistent in the point, and the zone is totally free of interference. I want to return in the site with the landlord. Also I ear the property (22 ha = 220.000 m2) is for to sale.

[hung]

Depending on the knid of disturbance on the ionic field and how serious it is, it will take time to recover and build up again. This could vary from a couple of hours to even days, as in the case one uses a regular EM detector on the site which will 'eat up' the ionic fields.

As Esteban said, the PDCs and thenew models for sure don't give false signals. The only other reason it will emit beeps is when an electrical discharge is cloe nearby, such as power lines or thunderbolts.

The FG78 is facing a delay but in a few days I will get mine and was invited by Damasio to go with him to test it in an expedition.

[michael]

Hi Dear Hung.


It's more than 1 month you say will get your FG78 and we are willingly waiting for your results, but no new news.
Please notice to the mentioned notes in your tests by FG78.
As the mineoro has put in its site, the device has detected a stone with 1/2 gram gold it made me worried. It may detect gold particles in a ground and then have some problems like as MFDs and encounter to empty holes. Please put these words with Mr. Damasio.

another thing; are you sure they have made ion field reducer and now is ready to deliver to the customers among with instrument ?
as you said:"... the ionic field reducer for pinpoint a big object which could produce a 300 feet diameter field..."

Regards, Michael.

[hung]

It's more than 1 month you say will get your FG78 and we are willingly waiting for your results, but no new news.

What I said at that time is that I would get the FG when it was out. AFAIK it's on the verge of start shipping.
There was a delay.
Damasio and I will go soon in a research, when he will show me the capabilities of the FG. See my other post.

Please notice to the mentioned notes in your tests by FG78.
As the mineoro has put in its site, the device has detected a stone with 1/2 gram gold it made me worried. It may detect gold particles in a ground and then have some problems like as MFDs and encounter to empty holes. Please put these words with Mr. Damasio.

This is no MFD. The stone has a visible gold vein in it. I wouldn't worry about it.

another thing; are you sure they have made ion field reducer and now is ready to deliver to the customers among with instrument ?
as you said:"... the ionic field reducer for pinpoint a big object which could produce a 300 feet diameter field..."

Yes.

[michael]

Hi hung.

When do you exactly will get Fg78 and test it?
How long more should we wait??!!

[hung]

Hi hung.

When do you exactly will get Fg78 and test it?

Michael, that's exactly what I'm trying to find out since last friday. It seems Damasio is busy 'locked' inside his lab, and not even his secretary have acess to him. No need to say he's not answering phone calls. However I do hope to be able to talk to him between later today and early tomorrow. I said I hope..

How long more should we wait??!!

Can't answer that right now. I will have a busy week recording and also want to know the answer to this question since I have to organize my agenda to go out with him when he arrives in Rio.

Good news for now is that upon talking to Mineoro's Patricia on the phone I was told that this morning she received a notice from someone in Iran who discovered 3 big jars of gold coins weighting aprox. 500Kg using the good old PDC 210. It detected from 2400 feet away. Don't know how deep tough.
I think this guy was so happy that he forgot about it...

[hung]

Alright.
I finally got to talk to Damasio after days of seclusion in his lab.
I was told that in about ten to twelve days he will either mail me the thing or will come personally to deliver the FG and we will go to some sites I know to test it. He sounded happy on the phone and told me he locked himself in the lab to create a new IC since the stock of ICs previously ordered were not reliable. Some worked and some did not. He could not let the detectors leave the factory this way. He and his team of engineers then created new ICs to use on the FG.
This man is restless. Always wanting to improve what already has been improved!
As I said, the FG is able to detect gold with humidity rates of over 70%. He told me that this morning, Alonso in Paraguay tested the FG with the new IC and he could pick the governor's treasure (see site) from 400m away with 70% humidity. This is a buried treasure. Remember, for the fresh gold to be picked up by the new FG, that is, gold which is not buried, humidity has to be low, around 40 to 60%.
This kind of humidity rate is difficult to be reached close to the seashore here in Rio, but I will give it a try. That's why in their site there's a mention of a new model to be launched which will detect fresh gold with higher humidity tipically found in the litoral.

Talking to him, I had a hint that this new model will have two receivers(chambers) with independent circuitry in which the smaller higher humidity receiver will have a more precise detection for fresh gold under these conditions, although distance will decrease a little.
The amazing part is that it will employ #54 wire which is one fourth the diameter of a hair ! A 1 Kg of this wire measures 350 Km!
Anyway this is pretty much still in the speculation realm and not oficially proclaimed yet...

So those are the news.

[mineorogreece]

Quote"
Talking to him, I had a hint that this new model will have two receivers(chambers) with independent circuitry in which the smaller higher humidity receiver will have a more precise detection for fresh gold under these conditions, although distance will decrease a little.
The amazing part is that it will employ #54 wire which is one fourth the diameter of a hair ! A 1 Kg of this wire measures 350 Km!
Anyway this is pretty much still in the speculation realm and not oficially proclaimed yet...



So Hung,does this mean that the fg78 is not ready yet?I come to the conclusion that it is not ready yet to be manufactured.Also what do you mean about the wire?Where is this wire used and for what reason?What will this do for the detector?

[hung]

So Hung,does this mean that the fg78 is not ready yet?I come to the conclusion that it is not ready yet to be manufactured.Also what do you mean about the wire?Where is this wire used and for what reason?What will this do for the detector?

That's correct. The FG 78 is delayed because new ICs had to be made. It is expected to begin shipping in about 10 to 12 days. You can confirm this information through Patricia or Monica tough.

I was also talking about a future new model which will be able to deal with high humidity typically found in areas close to the litoral (seashore).

Regarding the wire I talked about, Damasio did not tell me its purpose. He only told me the relative difficulty which he'll encounter to manufacture it. Hence the example comparison of a hair string. My own belief is that this wire is for the internal circuitry and to avoid interferences, since its mass is reduced. That's all I can speak for now.

[hung]

Ah.. There you go..

http://www.mineoro.com/tesouros/achados10.htm

4 meters deep. Those 500 Kg coin jars are worth at least 2 milion dollars. He really hit the jackpot.

[michael]

I finally got to talk to Damasio.... He sounded happy on the phone and told me he locked himself in the lab to create a new IC since the stock of ICs previously ordered were not reliable. Some worked and some did not. He could not let the detectors leave the factory this way. He and his team of engineers then created new ICs to use on the FG.....
Maybe at before mineoro has emitted some problematic and erroneous
units and some intact( at least in PDC series). That's why some people got positive results and found 500 KG gold and some other found nothing even 1 gram gold.
Dear Hung! Could you please emphasize to Damasio and patricia be careful and pay special attention for every unit will be emitted from firm?(even for Brazilians or other countries),then bitter experiences won't be repeated for some users.as you know these disciplines are very important for their credit.
In near future (after getting your results) I will order one FG78 for my country.
Do you geuss there may be still some Fg78 for delivey but haven't been used
new ICs inside?

our main searching areas are in middle east, but we want to be sure of ordered device (safety and working in order) via internet.
middle east is one of the most richest of treasures if one has accurate detector,certainly will get positive results more than 3 big jar(500 Kg gold).
there are some stories I can't write here.

[hung]

Maybe at before mineoro has emitted some problematic and erroneous
units and some intact( at least in PDC series). That's why some people got positive results and found 500 KG gold and some other found nothing even 1 gram gold.

AFAIK there's no case involving the PDCs. They were simpler circuits. The only case I know is regarding two or three GDPs which were exchanged upon Mineoro have contacted the users.
The reason for users not finding anything with the PDC series is due to either there is nothing in the area searched or bad ionic field season /high humidity weather.

Could you please emphasize to Damasio and patricia be careful and pay special attention for every unit will be emitted from firm?(even for Brazilians or other countries),then bitter experiences won't be repeated for some users.as you know these disciplines are very important for their credit.

I'm positive they're concerned about it. That's why the FG did not come out so far. Again, disclaims should be adressed by them, not me. So, the best thing is always contact them if anything happens.

Do you geuss there may be still some Fg78 for delivey but haven't been used
new ICs inside?

My guess is that as soon as they found out the problem in one or more of the units the entire order procedure was put on hold.

our main searching areas are in middle east, but we want to be sure of ordered device (safety and working in order) via internet.
middle east is one of the most richest of treasures if one has accurate detector,certainly will get positive results more than 3 big jar(500 Kg gold).
there are some stories I can't write here.

As long as you are aware of humidity factors, ionic fields build up, etc. I believe you will have no problems to detect a target if there are som many items there as you say. Please wait for my review on the FG.

[michael]

Hi dear hung. Thank you for your comments.
anyway I am willingly waiting for your results about FG78, but really when will
you have access to it?

[mineorogreece]

Dear Hung
Is there any news about the fg78? When will it be released?

[michael]

Dear Hung. Thank you very much. I am so grateful to you for your attention. I hope you play a positive role like as a deputy or attorney for users especially for those people are out of Brazil. and run our errands to Damasio to assure us about getting a trustable device. I appreciate your honesty and impatiently waiting for your news about FG78. by the way; how about it? hasn't been repaired the IC? isn't still ready for deliver? Regards, Michael.

[hung]

Dear Hung
Is there any news about the fg78? When will it be released?

Just had a talk with my friend at Mineroro in his cell phone.
It seems the new detectors are so sensitive in terms of circuitry component values that the new ICs are been put to micro measurements through scopes, etc.
He told me one thousand of those ICs are being tested in order to use only the ones which matches the correct measurement values. I should give him a call again by tuesday afternoon or wednesday morning since he told me they expect to have some ready for shipping. Don't know if this will include myself since Damasio told me he wants to come to Rio to deliver mine and do some research with me for a detailed explanation ot the control knobs.

So as you see, a little more delay..
I must say that I am as anxious as some of you, but I think it's more than worth wait for a device presenting this kind of quality control.

Get back next week for some good news hopefully..

[hunterq3]

Just had a talk with my friend at Mineroro in his cell phone.

Damasio told me he wants to come to Rio to deliver mine and do some research
could you tell me how to contact Damasio? thank you!
my email :hunterq3@163.com

[hung]

could you tell me how to contact Damasio? thank you!
my email :hunterq3@163.com

I actually have Damasio's personal email, but it would be a waste of time expecting him to answer because the last time he did answer me it took 4 months! He's a very busy man and noticibly don't use emails regularly.

So your best bet would be contacting Monica at mineoro@mineoro.com.br
or Patricia (for english language) at patricia@mineoro.com.br
and post your questions and ask them to print your email to be delivered to Damasio direct explaining those are specific technical questions for him.
Good luck.

[hung]

Mineoro admirers, check their site tomorrow...

[robert]

:)
You are breeding those nonsences everywhere!?
How many threads do you need to spoil here !?

[robert]

"I actually have Damasio's personal email, but it would be a waste of time expecting
him to answer because the last time he did answer me it took 4 months! He's a very
busy man and noticibly don't use emails regularly."

Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha !!!! Damasio is absolute illiterate, so what are you talking here man !?
Who are you jokin' here!?
"...He's a very busy man....", yes, by sitting under the tree !!!
"...don't use emails regularly...", he even does not know what it is!?
Not only that you( a very few of you ) polluted this fine forum with "minero" thread,
but also you want to breed more here. You are opening more threads with no control at all!
Promulgate lies and nonsences everywhere! You are acting like all of you never met(esteban,
hung,michael, mineorogreece...), but
.................................................. ...................
the real truth is that you are "well" organized team with
only one mission: to advertise nonsence mineoro frauds products as much as possibly
with no scrupule at all. By making-up nonsence stories, reporting here FALSE reports,
and acting like something is really going on..."
.................................................. .....................................
It was not hardly at all for me and my team to find and check all about all of you!
We do know who are you, where are you,what are you doing and who is paying you!
Beware!
One day you gonna conform for all your lies and frauds here and on the other places!
.................................................. ...................................
ALL MINEORO PRODUCTS ARE FRAUDS,NON-WORKING TOYS! DON'T BUY IT!DON'T WASTE MONEY!

"regards"
RObert
S.S.O.

[hung]

Earlier than I thought.
It's there now in the portuguese site.

www.mineoro.com.br (http://www.mineoro.com.br)

Maybe tomorrow it will be in the english site.

What a surprise...

[michael]

Hi. Hung. But why is there so many models?!! whereas the FG78 results, reports and even manual haven't come out, you see FG79, FG80, DC2008!!!!!!
What's difference between those?
What's their policy? only introduce various name of models??
What's their advantages? which one has been tested? or which one is better??
I am really confused. we have been waiting for FG78 results more than 2 months. but now....
Please do favor (as have done frequently) ask them these.
again; I am really confused :confused:

[hung]

It seems the only difference regarding the new models is automation.

I got a quick talk with Patricia yesterday and she gave the notice that Damasio would talk to me today since he's got some visitors from Europe there by the time I had called.
In the FG 78 and DC 2006/2007 the user has to manually set the controls for fine tuning.
Damasio sent me an email last nifght in which he says him and Alonso have achieved automation mode with only one knob. So this means the device would be in tune and won't lose it in terms of fine settings. So everyone should get the same results.

Get back later with some more news.

[michael]

Hi Hung. But so what? in this case what about test reports from FG series?
Is any ready to deliver? How can we access to results? at last didn't you receive your FG78? I am between earth and air. the only way for us to access to true and reliable the latest results of mineoro are you & Esteban.
Although in most cases manually is better, in these cases; manually set or automatic is better?
By the way, what will be their suggestion price for these new models.
Regards. Michael

[hung]

OK.
Talked to Damasio this afternoon. It must be a hard life for an inventor who also runs a corporation, factory, marketing... I know. I know, It shouldn't be that way. But this does not concern us users for sure.

As I'm writing this I can see that the new info is not on the US site yet. Only in portuguese, so I will give you a pre release of what you will find there probably tomorrow as by the time I and Damasio were talking on the phone, his web designer was finishing the english version.

Damasio and Alonso were fighting an almost entire life battle to achieve a major step in that they could build a system in which the fine tune setting could be 'locked' to the target automatically and at the same time would be simple for any user to achieve the same optimum results. The latest years showed innumerous different results in detection all over the world due to the detector system being manual thus leading to improper settings, medium range or even edge fine tuning which caused results ranging from failure to sucess. Users seemd to have some difficulty in properly setting the contols in an adequate manner and not only this, but add to that, different ionic field intensity along the year, different climate conditions, etc.

Apparently they finally have achieved what they have always aimed. They could summarize all knobs which were present in previous models in an only single one through the use of a complex equation to automate the response. This was acomplished at the time the first stock of FG78s were ready to be shipped. The new enhancement and technology developed proved to be so overwhelming that Damasio had to replan all the production and marketing strategy for the upcoming times.
In the last paragraph of the portuguese site says:

"The new line of detectors won't go into any modification for the next 5 years.The adoption of this strategic plan will ensure permanent stocks at the factory, dealers, retailers, etc. As well as components and parts for eventual repair needs under warranty and for further years."

So as you can see, the days they were aiming apparently have come and they swear by it.
Upon talking to him I was informed among other things that the trip to the US have never been so close to happen. He's excited and will start the arrangements right after the release of those models.

The FG 78 with humidity of around 58 to 60% marked a gold sample in air from around 9 to 10 meters. The FG 80 which culminates all the technology Mineoro always pursue marked 100 meters!
Based on that , I agreed to wait 2 to 3 more weeks and will get the micro nugget model FG80.

But the first stock of FG78s and the DC 2007 are shipping normally. Only that the FG78 had a real short lifespan due to the facts related above and has quit after first stock.

I know that some will complain that I promised to review the FG 78, which I reiterate has the first and only stock available now. But having the opportunity to get THE detector which is as I said the sum of everything to this date is more than worth. So I decided to wait some more weeks and instead of reviewing the FG 78 I will do the FG80.
Thanks for your attention.

[hung]

Oh forgot to mention that at my request and as suggested by some members here, the FG 78 manual will be on the site in the next few days.

[robert]

:)
Frauds, you not gonna take even a breath here ! On your nonsence posts you gonna get
one of mine! Every time you continue with your story! Either you gonna stop, or threads
like this gonna be "huge", pages by pages, until owner of the forum decide what to do.
Excomunicate me or you or both sides and cut this nonsence, but it will stop anyway!
This is only a first step! Next steps you'll see pretty soon!

Not only that you( a very few of you ) polluted this fine forum with "minero" thread,
but also you want to breed more here. You are opening more threads with no control at all!
Promulgate lies and nonsences everywhere! You are acting like all of you never met(esteban,
hung,michael, mineorogreece...), but
.................................................. ...................
the real truth is that you are "well" organized team with
only one mission: to advertise nonsence mineoro frauds products as much as possibly
with no scrupule at all. By making-up nonsence stories, reporting here FALSE reports,
and acting like something is really going on..."
.................................................. .....................................
It was not hardly at all for me and my team to find and check all about all of you!
We do know who are you, where are you,what are you doing and who is paying you!
Beware!
VERY SOON you gonna conform for all your lies and frauds here and on the other places!
.................................................. ...................................
ALL MINEORO PRODUCTS ARE FRAUDS,NON-WORKING TOYS! DON'T BUY IT!DON'T WASTE MONEY!
"regards"
RObert
S.S.O.

[hung]

Robert,

You could be right in another situation. In your place I also would suspect that there's money involved.
But thruth is plain and simple. There's not.
I am just passionate for the invention that I feel is remarkable. Besides I am from Brazil and Mineoro is a brazilian corporate. Do we feel some patriotism here?
Besides you are right. Esteban, Michael and me never met. I'm from Brazil, Esteban from Paraguay and Michael from the Middle East. But I wish we'll meet someday.

[robert]

:)
All right! You can stop me at once if you want! How? Simply! Post here some
proof and i'll stop,vanish,disapear,die....whatever you want!

[robert]

:)
But do not use Esteban's style (also Michael's) to never ending argue with me! It shows not productive so far...

[robert]

:)
"I am just passionate for the invention that I feel is remarkable."
If that so i'd applaude to you! The same case with me.If that so than i guess it is
possible to you or some of you to post here some (not brand new,not very comercial)
project,schematic on that subject (mineoro-look-like or LRL type), not to simple, but
with some ic's,transistors,some logic...etc. If you do not understand me well than look
on some CMD thread with posted schematics.
My point is, not some simple,"toy" device with
a few elements but something more seriously. Anyway, even if you post some simple, it would
be the first time ever, here somebody to post at least anything on that subject here!
I mentioned Lostfox's post on other thread just to make example of unique,one and only
"practical"post here on that subject ever! It turns to be nonworking,but the point is
that none of you "hard beleivers" never did the simillar thing!
And again(not to mistake me like Esteban), not any kind of schematic(he did post some...)
but mineoro-look-like or LRL type schematic!
It will stop me, cose instead of plain retorics, you will contribute here more practical!
Besides, i am not just posting here "attacks" on you, i read very carefully every of you
posts,think about it,trying to make some sence, and after that the only conclusion is
that something "misty" is going on here!Try to beat that, and you'll not be "bashed" by me
any more( not you personally but all of you beleivers).
"Besides I am from Brazil and Mineoro is a brazilian corporate.
Do we feel some patriotism here?"
I can applaude to that too.Of course, it is quite normal and human. I adore Brasil as a
country too. But that does not mean that i am gonna accept everything from there. Frauds,not
at all!
Many reports and experiences shows that mineoro device ain't working at all!
If you read Dell's
posts you will see a many conditions you have to fulfill to make it work. So much conditions
that it is almost imposiblle to comply all. If you disect it (Carl did that) you'll see
funny,nonsence wired parts-elements,some of them even not conected in a whole design!?
If you start to measure some signals in it,you'll find out that there is no signal at all!
(i did that with one of those devices-and it was brand new,not cracked). What produce sound
in it,is not dependable of any outdoor influence at all, except some mixed radio noise with
ground hum (maybe-not the rule)....Wheter you try it on fresh gold or long time burried,
no differences at all, not detect it at all!!!
So i done my own ivestigation on it (as far as my posibillities were) and i "dug" the very
same conclusion as Carl's, fraud - nothing else!
If i can just remind you on some simillar fraud from the past:
"Upon close inspection of the circuit board it became obvious that it is a dummy. In fact,
it is a heavily damaged reject from some other device - even one of the holes for mounting
the board in the case had been drilled right through a circuit trace . The board is
made to look like a working part of this unit by soldering a lot of wires to it. The wires
are simply soldered in a way that connects them with one another, and the circuit board
serves no other purpose..."
Yes it was Lectra Search device (you may find it on Carl's reports).
But mineoro constructors were more smart and made a "conected" electronic in it, so it looks
much "working" than Lectra!
By alluding on "new scientific principles" they just protected themselves from further
questions, cose "ordinary" customers do not need to be involved in all the secrets!
The world is not built yesterday! Such simillar efforts have been done so many times in the
past through history in almost every field of human activity!"Easy money","Easy glory" etc.
"But mineoro is working for real !?"
Yes, but only in your imagination! Your"skills" and the fact that ground is full with items
(many generations,many civilisations pass there) so occasionally it "beeps" and "under that
beep" you find something by random case! After a few finds you are "dead" positive about
your new, hot priced, device! Your mind is going even more far in that matters!
Simple concept! So many times checked in the past! That's how some frauds survive through
history!
"Hi. Hung. But why is there so many models?!! whereas the FG78 results, reports and even
manual haven't come out, you see FG79, FG80, DC2008!!!!!!
What's difference between those?
What's their policy? only introduce various name of models??
What's their advantages? which one has been tested? or which one is better??
I am really confused. we have been waiting for FG78 results more than 2 months. but now....
Please do favor (as have done frequently) ask them these."
Good Michael! Even if i decided to disregard your posts i just have to react on it!
Your questions here are so right! I could'nt ask better! Think twice!
Instead of arguing with me, instead of hate me, sit, relax and start thinking....
I lied about FG78!? Didn't I!?Why should I? What is my interest here?Did you payed me
some money, so i had to lie to you!? Now i look like idiot in your eyes, i know that,
but in very near future you'll see the truth!Never mind me.

etc.etc.etc.
I have no other reasons to act like "dictator" here (although very weak,cose Carl can
"dump" me whenever he wants), but to try to contribute here by saving people's money,
before is to late!
If this helps than i done a good thing, if not than i am gonna see some donkey in the
mirror pretty soon!

regards

[hung]

:)
If that so than i guess it is
possible to you or some of you to post here some (not brand new,not very comercial)
project,schematic on that subject (mineoro-look-like or LRL type), not to simple, but
with some ic's,transistors,some logic...etc. If you do not understand me well than look
on some CMD thread with posted schematics.

There's a topic for it called 'schematics' and it's not this one here for sure.
You sound like some who showed previous attempts to obtain information from a device which has copy protection. If the concept or even the 'recipe' were to be of public domain, then everybody knows how would be the rest of the story...

You say you want proof. But what kind of proof do you want?
I think the best proof ever is your own self conviction. Nobody will influence that. If you convinced yourself it does not work, fine. You would not need to hang here. But I don't understand your almost insane temptation to try to lame Mineoro. It's so deliberate that I must confess that I enjoy your posts because they are comic and funny.

I think your presence here is welcome. You don't need to leave since you are very important for a democratic forum. No absoulute truth without refutation. This is healthy.
Although I disagree with a lot of things Carl says, I must admit he is a fine moderator and very democratic on how to run a discussion forum.

[Carl-NC]

"Although I disagree with a lot of things Carl says, I must admit he is a fine moderator and very democratic on how to run a discussion forum."

I try... :)

Robert, There are plenty of holes in the operational claims made by Mineoro, and we can debate those til we all turn blue, but I think we will have to wait for the FG78 (et al) to be released and get someone to actually demonstrate the device, to see if it works. If you want to continue discussing the claims, please stay focused on the claims, and avoid personal comments about the people making the claims. Thanks.

- Carl

[robert]

:( :)
"There's a topic for it called 'schematics' and it's not this one here for sure."
Yes, but there also, not even one on that subject.And beleivers are so rare there!
"You sound like some who showed previous attempts to obtain information from a device
which has copy protection"
Yes,many times. But none of them mentioned in these threads...
"If the concept or even the 'recipe' were to be of public domain, then everybody knows
how would be the rest of the story..."
No we don't! U S P T O is meaning something toy you !? What is the "rest of the story"
with Garrett,White's,Fisher,Minelab....are they busted so far!?

"You would not need to hang here...."
Yes i agree.So few reasons latelly. I already turned "blue"....Come to think, no reason at all.

"But I don't understand your almost insane temptation to try to lame Mineoro...."
You should! It shows that you never had or checked any of their device ever....

"It's so deliberate that I must confess that I enjoy your posts because they are comic
and funny."
I'll stop than. May idea was to provoke you to start using some brains, but otherwise
no sence at all....
"...No absoulute truth without refutation. ..."
How much i do agree with you on that !!!!! Absolute truth!!!!
"This is healthy."
Also very,very expensive!

"I must admit he is a fine moderator and very democratic on how to run a discussion forum."
I agree. He also knows the truth, from the very personal experience too. Try to convince
him.....Than you'll turn "blue".

"Robert, There are plenty of holes in the operational claims made by Mineoro, and we can
debate those til we all turn blue, but I think we will have to wait for the FG78 (et al)
to be released and get someone to actually demonstrate the device, to see if it works.
If you want to continue discussing the claims, please stay focused on the claims, and avoid
personal comments about the people making the claims. Thanks."
No need to ask or thanks, Carl. It is done now!
regards

P.S.
This morning as i wake up, i saw in a mirror a man!? I was expected donkey to see!
Must be a kind od CMD mirror, who knows!?
FG78 is disected and checked already, by me and my team...I see that all of you do not
beleive that. Alright than. Wish you much of luck further.Best regards.
I disapear now for good.....

[hung]

I just took a look and the english site is up.
www.mineoro.com (http://www.mineoro.com)

[michael]

They could summarize all knobs which were present in previous models in an only single one through the use of a complex equation to automate the response. This was acomplished at the time the first stock of FG78s were ready to be shipped.
Hi hung. That's very good news, then we can conclude the automatic versions are the best??
If you received your FG80, necessarily inform us from your results.
Please tell about their suggestion price and; when will FG80 be ready to be released for every one? How long will it take? By the time will be its' manual ready soon?
Oh, please ask them put a movie from FG series detection of a fresh target in their site.
Esteban, Michael and me never met. I'm from Brazil, Esteban from Paraguay and Michael from the Middle East. But I wish we'll meet someday.
That's my high pleasure and honor and I wish too.
Instead of arguing with me, instead of hate me, sit, relax and start thinking....
I lied about FG78!? Didn't I!?Why should I? What is my interest here?Did you payed mesome money, so i had to lie to you!? Now i look like idiot in your eyes, i know that, but in very near future you'll see the truth !Never mind me.
I told you I am not mad to argue with you or provoke you. You yourself choice the arguing and battling ways. I don't remember even one time have disrespected you, but you have done from time to time not only me but also to others. I wanted to rely on your comments ( as we had no acquaintance record before) but when I saw you completely deny LRLing, whereas I have experienced it and know it really and definitely works, how can rely on your other comments? There are so many things that I personally know and have seen with my two eyes from LRLing can't be put here ( If put, will see ; oh again are running personal ideas,…) then can't accept your comments. You maybe right due to your negative experiences about LRLing or not know it works, but Just for some other reasons battle against. unfortunately You can't tolerate the opposite ideas, when somebody swears LRLing is a true concept you start jangling and name them Idiot.
I wish you were a good help, but due to lying, various slanders and prejudicial comments can't be an appropriate counselor.

[robert]

Disregarding is all you gain here........
Go neverland and stay there!

[mineorogreece]

Hello Hung
We still have not any news for the new models fg79-80 and dc2008.Have you learnt anything else?Also what are the prices?Have they started selling these units?

[hung]

Hello Hung
We still have not any news for the new models fg79-80 and dc2008.Have you learnt anything else?Also what are the prices?Have they started selling these units?

Hi Jim

Alonso is in Garopaba right now and both he and Damasio perform final tests on the new detectors. I was informed they will be ready around june 15th. But don't hold your breath for it as all of this may change...

Regardng prices, I suggest you email them as I don't know this myself yet.

[michael]

Hi. in respond to my request patricia sent an e-mail. their suggestion price for our destination (U.A.E) was;
FG80 Retail Price USD 18,850.....53% off.........USD 8,718.-
I think it's somehow outrageous. when you compare with old models(e.g. FG.78 = 6400$) shouldn't be so much difference in price. supposing the FG80 is full automatic and more sensitive, in my opinion shouldn't increase about 36% in price. :confused:

[hung]

Hi. in respond to my request patricia sent an e-mail. their suggestion price for our destination (U.A.E) was;
FG80 Retail Price USD 18,850.....53% off.........USD 8,718.-
I think it's somehow outrageous. when you compare with old models(e.g. FG.78 = 6400$) shouldn't be so much difference in price. supposing the FG80 is full automatic and more sensitive, in my opinion shouldn't increase about 36% in price. :confused:

Michael,

I believe the increase in price has to do with the raise of export fees policy here in Brazil. Our president and its party are doing everything they can to raise money for their reelection purposes. General taxes here raised about 60% since this 'character' got elected. His party got involved in the worst case of corruption in our history.
So I am almost sure that this price included the exprt fees Mineoro has to 'pay the goverment'.
However,I will check to confirm this info and get back later to post some info.

[michael]

Hi Hung. Thank you. You will make us obliged to you for your favors.
I think they should consider a discount at least for whoever is offshore. this is a policy in most of firms and companies when export a good, will be free of tax, anyway a kind discount is considered for these situations.
this price is more or less intolerable. If you can do it, is laudable and will be appreciated.

[ANDREAS]

DEAR FRIENDS
I WATCH YOUR FORUM ENOUGH TIME, SPECIAL THE SUBJECTS WITH THE MINEORO INFORMATION.I WOULD WANT BECOMES A NEW BEGINNING, BECAUSE I HAVE THE DRAWINGS FOR HIS MANUFACTURE, REGULATIONS EVERYTHING,CALIBRATIONS IN ORDER TO IS MANUFACTURED THE ELECTRONIC CIRCUITS AND WE REALLY SEE IF IT WORKS.ΜΥ NAME IS ANDREAS MY JOB IS IN GREECE AND I AM SPECIALITY IN DRAWINGS of ORIGINAL ELECTRONIC CIRCUITS.MY KNOWLEDGE IN ELECTRONIC CIRCUITS AND THEORY THEY IS MOST EXCELLENT, BUT I BELIEVETHAT EXISTS ALSO KNOWLEDGE UNKNOWN, PERSONALLY INTERESTS ME MORE FROM THE HUNTING OF TREASURES.
HERE, YOU HELP ALL IN ORDER TO WE FIND A SOLUTION AND WE KNOW IF THE MINEORO THEY IS REAL INSTRUMENTS THAT FIND GOLD.I HAVE SENT IN THE CARL SCHEMATIC DIAGRAMS OF RECEIVER AND INDUCTORS FROM FIRST MODELS MINEORO.ALSO THE DRAWING OF ALARM WHEN IT FINDS SOMETHING.I HAVE STILL NOT SENT THE CIRCUIT OF TRANSMITTER, REGULATIONS OF ELECTRIC TENDENCY, AND CO-ORDINATION OF INDUCTORS. I WOULD WANT THEY ARE PUBLISHED IN A NEW UNIT OF FORUM FREELY BY THE FRIEND CARL.WHEN I SEE THE DRAWINGS IN THE FORUM I WILL PUBLISH ALSO THE TRANSMITTER. I BELIEVE THAT SOMETHING WILL BE FOUND IF THEY IS TRUTH OR .....FALSE. IF ALL GO WELL, I CAN SEND the FINAL REGULATIONS IN EACH ONE SEPARATELY WITH e-mail, BECAUSE I WOULD NOT WANT HIM SEE "ALL IN INTERNET". THESE CURRENTLY. DEAR CARL PLEASE PUT THE DROWNING SCHEMATICS FREE IN THE FORUM IN ORDER TO IT BEGINS WORK.
MY ENGLISH IF VERY POOR FORGIVE ME
E-MAIL ANCHRY@IN.GR
BEST REGARDS
ANDREAS